Alana the Frostfire Fox shitposter+ discussion of Kirsche and Leaflit included>YouTubehttps://www.youtube.com/@SmugAlana>Clipshttps://www.youtube.com/@SmugAlanaVtuberClips>VODshttps://www.youtube.com/@smugalanavods>Twitterhttps://x.com/SmugAlana>Twitchhttps://www.twitch.tv/smugalana>Discordhttps://discord.gg/smugalanaLeaflit: https://www.youtube.com/@LeaflitAsari/https://youtube.com/@slimecoreradiohttps://www.twitch.tv/Leaflithttps://kick.com/leaflithttps://rumble.com/c/LeaflitKirsche: https://www.youtube.com/@KirscheVerstahl/https://www.twitch.tv/Kirschehttps://kick.com/kirschePrevious: >>115856165
>>115884883I love my Alana rapewife
>>115884883Kitsunero:https://www.twitch.tv/kitsunerohttps://www.youtube.com/@KitsuneroRosiebellmoo:https://www.twitch.tv/rosiebellmoohttps://www.youtube.com/@RosiebellmooSquChanhttps://www.twitch.tv/squchanhttps://www.youtube.com/@SquChanBerry Crepe:https://twitch.tv/berrycrepehttps://youtube.com/@berrycrepeMintzey:https://twitch.tv/mintzeymoon/https://youtube.com/@mintzeymoonCypress:https://twitch.tv/vtubercypress/https://youtube.com/@vtubercypressAmalgamytehttps://youtube.com/@amalgamytehttps://kick.com/amalgamytePawshttps://www.twitch.tv/pawshttps://www.youtube.com/@pawsvtuberPowdurhttps://twitch.tv/powdurhttps://kick.com/powdurhttps://youtube.com/@powdurNyanijihttps://twitch.tv/nyanijihttps://youtube.com/@nyaniji
Anal only chuuba.
Sex with middle aged slimes
Computer, generate 8 foot tall SmugAlana with size M breasts cuddling with me in bed while we watch Initial D
>>115885045>Sex with middle aged slimes *Motherftfy buddy
*hits pipe*the harmful opinions x leaflit thing was a test run. see how much one of the big dawgs in the space could tank. after that, strawb got handed a package. you think she found that dirt on ember by herself? lol. she was told to sit on it and wait for the appropriate time. very curious how she deployed it while ember was engaged with a leftist. left or right, how did strawb lean in her piss queen strawb days before her christcuck act? yeah.next up is leaflit op but for real.
we haven't had any new alana vore in months...
>>115885120Its time to change that.
>>115885089Hello, pipe poster.I don't think it's that complicated nor are they that coordinated. But it's not that unreasonable to think that when you get big enough that the people you are, basically cribbing, for years by "reacting" to their content, ie, playing their videos week after week after the time they spent to construct it, then just going "Yeah yeah, I agree, yeah," and then that's how you get your check that those channels aren't going to find some way to turn you into content as well in the future once you hit a certain margin.It's all fair game and there really shouldn't be any complaining on any of their parts when the rules are quite plainly laid out. It's incredibly incestuous at the end of the day for all of them to keep the cycle turning.Also, I still think the Kirsche/convention thing was a paid hit piece to create drama rather than being organic but that's just my own delusion for now.
>>115884883enjoying some nice alana vore art with alanas anus
>>115885089*bumps a line of bolivian marching powder off Alana's ass*they should permaban your sorry ass for signing your posts like a faggot
>>115885057disengage safety protocols
>>115885343Safety protocols disengaged, generating consentual vaginal sex with fire alana
>>115885300
>>115885120>>115885151kys
>>115884883a smug anus in dead space
>>115885380>fire alana No! Don’t do it, Anon!
>Harmful onions >Tactical templar Avoid these fuckers like the plague and assume they shill here like that sad snarl cunt. In fact we know onions posts here because of his months long leaflit bullshit. Templar and his 10 orbiters have been seething over Powdur for months as well. Funny enough I did some digging and one of them, of course, has a blacked fetish
>>115885399
>>115885409Too late..
>>115885444It's okay guys, I'll take this one for the teamLet my penis know I loved him
The one whitepill I have in this sea of drama is that I think if Strawb did decide she wanted to target Kirsche or Leaflit she would get thoroughly blown the fuck out, both communities are filled to the brim with dedicated autistic fans. Even trying to go after Powdur was clearly biting off more than she could chew.
>>115885579What did strawb do in the powdur drama?
>>115885579>Even trying to go after Powdur was clearly biting off more than she could chewOnly because her husband wasn't having her back. If the chief drama merchant had chimed in it would've been over for her.
>>115885579Powdur is arguably the worst one to try and take on. She's shown time and time again, ESPECIALLY most recently that she will utterly humiliate anyone who tries to cancel her
>>115885660Basically just spent over a month seething that Powdur wasn't 100 percent full abolitionist over abortion.
>>115885701ah, christslop
>>115885411Is it Christcuck or Homeless Opinions? I could believe both considering HO's past with Shoe and Templar being biblical Mujin.
>>115885022alana my analwife
>think Christian morality gets most things right and is the best building block for an orderly society we have>absolutely cannot fucking stand moralizing ChristcucksIt's a very annoying position to be in
>>115885822Moralizing Christcucks are usually dogshit Christians who use the faith and His name for their own personal, selfish motives.
>>115885579Imagine if rev did a video about strawb
I want Kirsche to sit on my faceI don't care if I live or die
Kirsche going off on Side Scrollers earlier todayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXjFMDnYqGM
>>115885740Templar went after powdur because she is pro abortion in certain circumstances and harmful went after leaflit for some discord fanfiction. Both of these retards have a small but dedicated group of orbiters who do nothing but attack and spout the same lies over and over. The best ones are when the faggot gets blown out so hard he deletes his account or runs away
>>115885983The more I think about it, the more certain I am I wouldn't care if I were personally involved in a similar situation. Which leads me to think it's a woman brain thing.
>>115885948Lord have mercy those THIGHS
>>115886032>do you grift being gay or do you truly believe in being a homoHoly fuck that's funny
>women spend their whole lives lying about literally everything to the point that people just joke about it and accept it "Women lol">a dude lies>gets destroyed foreverMeh, I bore of this shit. Please for the love of fuck let it blow over soon.
>>115885089I'm surprised the Ember thing is even dividing people. Like Ember has proven to be the predatory type of tranny judging from their unhinged rant over a woman not wanting troons, at a BDSM party FOR WOMEN. You must suck the feminine cock or you're a bigot!
[Sad News] Yuki has completely disowned Ember as her friend
>>115885473>>115886099>>115886611buy an ad
>>115886611great news
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Dm7LsjCOY4oIt's up
Just saw rev's video, so ember was really an actual tranny all along, not a trap, one of those radical 'only transphobes want woman-only spaces'. Really goes to show how much social pressure keeps people from speaking up and comparing notes, with everyone suddenly saying they suspected he was a male all along.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dbhr_0uugkIt's up
>>115886785
>>115886303>their unhingedYou fell for tectone clipchimping?
>>115886807SmugAtVideoGames
>>115886767Starting at 12:30 really shows Ember's true perverted nature. Hes 100% creeping on the women he was getting close to.
How much is rev paying you to damage control for his wife, homie?
>>115886845Bruh tectone did damage control for them by not playing the clip longer kek. Rev has it with more context>>115886785
>>115886771>one of those radical 'only transphobes want woman-only spaces'Yep he is the worst type
>>115886906I went to go find the full thing right out of the vod. It wasn't a woman's only space they were talking about, it was degin BDSM shit. Still pretty woke with talk about the BDSM community being so inclusive, and trannies make up a sizable chunk of it, but the context was already degen shit.
>>115886785>can hear his chair creaking and cracking >can hear his vents blowing >can hear his pc fans spinning wow much audio engendering
>>115887269>engenderingengineering* FUCK
Giving Alana a fat fucking wedgie
>>115886853LMAOThis entire industry man.
>>115887236Why can't you troons stop lying for 1 second? It's literally right there with Ember acknowledging context to what they're arguing about
>see, he is a sicko predator looking to invade women's spaces!Alright, true. Let's see what this sick fuck does after he's successfully infiltrated a woman only space>pic relatedCan we just change the fucking channel already?
>There's a clip of ember taking that chud/woke test and he straight up says he isn't a man lol
>>115887632You are the problem
>>115887632>it's actually not THAT bad>do you feel sleepy? I'm sleepy, how about we change the subject?Go rope yourself, ember. YWNBA
I now know about the Trans Rights people keep talking about. Thanks, Ember.
>>115887616The context is ember understands why the chick got kicked out of whatever BDSM club she was in because she wanted to exclude an apparently sizable enough portion of it that the rest thought it was unreasonable. I don't agree with it, but then again I'm not into BDSM. Maybe there are non woke clubs and that one was woke. I don't know, I just don't think it's as nefarious as rev wants me to think it is, especially when it's about fucking BDSM.
TTD, TTCD!
>>115887689>>115887692I stan ember chuds.
>>115886303Strawb had this one loaded and zeroed in on. Just pulled the trigger when the conversation about Ember's voice changer was the topic of conversation. Can't trust someone who supposedly terrified of someone's lies but only brought it into light at a convenient time. >it's a tranny who wrote a degenerate book. why are defending him? The lying to gain trust is the real problem. This could have been an intervention in the DMs with everyone involved and then Ember would have come out and been honest and apologized for lying all along. It would have been amicable and a good show of companionship on the chud vtuber side. But instead, she just went for the killshot and left everyone scrambling.And this is someone who you would agree with most of the time. If you aren't a pure repentant Christian who isn't jerking it and thinks that the failed execution lady would should be let free, then you're no different from the lefties. She'd treat you just the same.
>>115887797You exterminate roaches.
>yuki said she used to do sugar baby escorts for older guys to make money. It included sexual stuff.Wait, what the fuck? I thought that one fag from a few threads ago was joking. Yuki was an actual whore?
>>115887821Then why are you defending Strawb?
This shit is like watching an LGBT community defend its own after they get caught with minors. Shit is crazy, how far will people go to defend this loser just because he's "one of them."
>>115887850>Yuki was an actual whoreYour new right wing idol, sire
>>115887853Strawb is a stupid cunt. Doesn't make Ember any less of a mentally ill freak.
>>115887850ask /asp/ you retarded faggot
>>115887850Strawb next doccy victimScreenshot this
>>115887850Every “chudette” Vtuber and “Christian” female vtubers are whores. The only exception is Kaneko Lumi.
>>115887928Lumi is for Ryona.Her pain is my happiness.
>>115887881There are minors involved in the ember shit?
>>115887928>The only exception is Kaneko Lumi.
>>115887956No, not this time, please learn some basic reading comprehension. Only people with the mental capacity of minors.
>>115887797I don't even care about Strawb and I don't have to agree with everything she says or believes in. This troon however is literally as bad as every other troon wanting to get into women's spaces and calling people transphobes. Ember is part of the problem and Strawb is 100% right on it.
>>115887928lumi's dirty pussy
>>115887881I'm going to be completely honest - in this particular instance, I hate the women quite a bit more than i hate the rainbow dude in denial because of the actions of those involved. Strwab I can maybe give a pass to for choosing to shoot her shot while ember was fighting with a leftists, but not maria for attempting metoo bullshit. That bitch should fucking burn.
>>115887751How long ago was that vod made out of curiosity?
>>115887976>not this timeSo there was a time.
>>115888001Lumi's dirty pussy vs. Alana's dirty pussyWho wins?
>>115888030It was uploaded to youtube 7 months ago.
>>115888070By what metric?
>>115887881This.Muh fellow chud tubers is such a ridiculous thought to have. We are not the hivemind
>>115888028I hate women and I hate men pretending to be women even more. I win either way.It is an absolute embarassment to one's one self however to try and defend for them, the actions of anybody involved in this situation, and as many others have said it is probably either Ember himself or very close friends trying to keep his credibility together.Because at the end of the day it is free money from morons to be a vtuber.
>>115888122Good questionI'll leave it up to you
>>115887973While yes, I do find her closeness with her younger brother suspicious, especially with rumors of him living with her, I will just chalk it up to sibling love.
>>115888132>We are not the hivemindYeah leaf talked about this on stream the other day. The left is basically a monolith while the right is a bunch of loosely connected tribes each with their own goals.
>>115888190sibling love like normal sibling love or sibling love like alana sibling love
Even if Ember is fully exposed as a stark raving mad troon I still don't trust Strawb
Strawb won.
>>115888166I'm not defending ember, I just don't see reason to attack him the way rev, strawb, and tectone want me to. He lied in such an inconsequential way, I would barely care if I were personally affected. If the women do care then that's their prerogative, they're the ones that were deceived. It should've ended there but maria decided she was retro actively raped by tame banter between friends.
>>115888349He's a troon in a place where he doesn't belong. Shrimple as. Take the drama niggas out back together with him for all I care.
>>115888256>>115888326The duality of man
Even if Strawb is fully exposed as a stark raving mad loon I still agree with her stance on EmberYou cannot tolerate trans in your space and expect them not to do what all troons do. It's a literal impossibility, trans are fundamentally narcissistic. So they will always demand of you. Let them in women's spaces, call them a woman, don't "misgender" them, etc...
>>115888427>He's a troon in a place where he doesn't belongI don't believe in women's only spaces.
>>115888478Hi ember
>>115888478I'm talking about society as a whole and "right wing spaces" specifically. These abominations have to go.
>>115888349Rev, his bitch of a wife, and Tectone are all massive retards. I don't really care what they have to think one way or the other.Ember should be judged purely by their own actions, and their own actions in my opinion would tell me that he should not be trusted around anybody at all ever. It would be in his best interest to return to whatever hidden internet alias they used to use online and fuck off forever. It's over, they burned their chances, it's done. They no longer have a career. It's really that simple.I've asked older female friends that have no interest in this or bias one way or another what they would think if some guy was exploiting a group of their female friends by lying as a woman to get into those spaces they deemed safe and private and they were utterly disgusted. At least in the eyes of actual women, it's a pretty disgusting thing to do, regardless and before any other additional conditions to the situation at hand.The people in this situation are in their 20s-30s. Of course they're going to react with a lot more energy as well, and now they're sure as fuck not going to trust anybody the same ever again.Yeah it doesn't affect ME in the slightest at the end of the day and my opinion is a bit extra. But people like Ember do not belong in online spaces, let alone getting a pass for pulling shit like that.
>>115888477Throw Ember off a fucking cliff I don't really give a shit. I'm just saying Strawb has a history as a shit stirrer and now this incident has shown us that she basically keeps blackmail files on people. How do we know she won't target anyone else when it suits her?
>>115888478Men make gay jokes with each other, comfortable with the knowledge that you both know it's only a joke because your both dudes and gay shit is disgusting. Find out the other dude is actually gay and it becomes creepy to think he was getting off to what you thought was innocent playing around.Same thing with women, except it was actually a dude. They obviously will feel like they were tricked into intimacy they did not consent to and it will feel creepy and disgusting. Like if Laplus was getting all pervy with a girl and tit turned out ot be a dude..
>>115888635>Find out the other dude is actually gay and it becomes creepy to think he was getting off to what you thought was innocent playing around.It doesn't change anything. Stop being schizo.
>>115888478You're in a thread about vtubers. Vtubing is a female space. You can't complain about women infiltrating men's spaces (which, yes, they are doing and have been doing for a while which I fucking hate) and simultaneously not criticize males (pretending to be women mind you) infiltrating one of the few genuine female spaces that weren't stolen from men. Yes, male vtubers can exist but lets be real here, outside of a vacuum or if you're in it for the drama, no one cares about male vtubers whatsoever
>>115888565>their own actions in my opinion would tell me that he should not be trusted around anybody at all everI'm tired of looping on this so I'll just end it with this post on my end. Mariagrace already shared the worst of what ember did around her and celestium in their group chat even before they let in other guys. It was such a nothingburger she ended up damage controlling hard. You don't want to associate with ember because he's a weird, seemingly gender confused guy? Cool, I wouldn't either. That's as much as I'll hate the guy until someone actually produces something where he's actually acting like a sex pest.
>>115888635>Find out the other dude is actually gay and it becomes creepyIf he's going into vivid detail then sure, but then that would also be weird even if your friend was straight.
>>115888584>How do we know she won't target anyone else when it suits her?Does it matter? Discourse helps prevent an echo chamber of no thought. We are not the leftoid cult. If someone can be taken down by Strawb of all people they probably deserve it
>>115888725>Vtubing is a female spaceIt's female dominated, but it's not a female space.
>>115888725>Vtubing is a female spaceThere's male vtubers and there's also male idol vtubers. Vtubing is not a female space.
>>115888655It actually does, Ember.It would be in your best interest to go offline before you embarass yourself further and become the next Nightrose.>>115888727You're probably right to be safe.I still think there could be worse, but to actually show it would mean they would have to incriminate themselves or others to do so. So they're never going to show it, if there's worse.I've pretty much said everything I've need to say about them today on judgement of character. I don't want to keep you longer than this needs to go, thank you.
>>115888782oh you're just a strawb simp. that would explain a number of posts itt.tell piss queen strawb she can suck this*grabs dick*
>>115888782I mean I'd rather not be dealing with a known snake in the grass if I can help it, but I suppose that's part of the perils of being a content creator.
>>115888793>frosted tipssomeone get that fuccboi back to the 00s lmao
>>115885948This post is now illegal in the UK.
>Slime says stream is late because she's talking to someone involved in this drama directlyThis might be interesting if and when the stream actually starts
>>115888655>it doesn't change anything>t. homosexual>>115888755How are you missing the point this hard? It's the thought that another man MAY be lusting or deriving sexual gratification from you that would creep out a normal dude.
>>115888871In the meantime, korsches
>>115888887Are you a woman per chance? What the fuck is it with this inconsistent hypothetical
>>115888919Inconsistent Hypotheticals?Is Leaflit here?
>>115888827>tell piss queen strawb she can suck this>*grabs dick*I'm going to assume you're either a mentally stunted troon or breaking global rule 2 from that cringe.Also I don't think Strawb, or Rev even, is very bright or eloquent and so anyone undeserving of being taken down by her won't be. Let me repeat that since you're obviously stupid. If anyone gets taken down by Strawb they either A. deserved it like Ember orB. Are complete retards who couldn't find their way out of a paper bag and the vtuber scene improves without them.
>>115888070alana, never forget the stinky coochie story
>>115888919There is nothing inconsistent about it, are you an ESL?
>>115888887I wouldn't be friends with a guy that gets off on banter, gay or not.>nah but you wouldn't know he's getting off so-I would know.>no but_I would just know.
kirsche said her type used to be emo guys, right? do you think she would've had the hots for the secretary of war in his high school days?
>>115888584Batman keeps detailed plans on how to kill every member of the Justice League but a woman outs a tranny and suddenly it's a problem.
>>115889384>marvel reference
https://www.twitch.tv/Leaflithttps://kick.com/leaflithttps://rumble.com/c/Leaflit
La+ recently talked about a similar scenario. It's easy to see why Maria would be upset
>>115889486
i don't want to hear about your male friends leaflit!!!!!!
>>115889486We've seen the chats, we saw exactly what the sexual content was. Maria wasn't upset about it until she decided she was.
>>115887632>>115887632You really can't see how women would be creeped out after finding out their female friend who was posting a 'dick going into a pussy', was actually a man? Like you don't have to be retarded to not realize there are clear boundaries here, and that they wouldn't even be having that conversation in the first place if they knew it was male
>>115889609This
>>115889609I think we should expect women to be able to handle a sex joke that would be acceptable even on prime time tv. >they wouldn't even be having that conversation in the first place if they knew it was maleOther males were in the group chat. So even if you argue they wouldn't have been joking like that if they knew they were talking to a guy, they would still be making that kind of banter in view of each other's husbands. And that's to say nothing about supposedly pious christian women making jokes they shouldn't be making or laughing at.I'm just not a fan of pearl clutching and coddling foids.
>>115889717>Other males were in the group chat.Literally irrelevant to the fact they were talking to Ember, who they believed to be a woman, that way>So even if you argue they wouldn't have been joking like that if they knew they were talking to a guy, they would still be making that kind of banter in view of each other's husbandsAre you stupid? What are these weird ass goal posts you're setting?
>>115889805Whatever nigga. The lines have been drawn by now and there's no new developments coming to sway someone one way or the other, so continuing this is pointless. In a week's time neither of us is going to care about this anymore.
>>115890017
>>115890017rest in power
>someone in Leaf's family died a while backYeah I kinda figured that's what happened when she had that first scuff arc, I didn't think she was taking back to back vacations.
>>115884883When will Alana and Krumroll collab together for real?
>>115890141Strawb is a psycho bitch, but pizza crust dipped in ranch dressing is delicious
>>115885822As usual it's a bell curve meme. You want the grug working class christians, or you want the serious theologians. The loud midwits tend to be the worst ones.
>Asari has hung out with MariMari IRLBro what the fuck lmao
>leaf and tazuto live in the same townyjk
>>115889410Alana will be in Avengers Doomsday
>>115890263>Asari going to gangbangs with Marimari, meanwhile>>115890279>>115860493>>115860585
>>115884924beautiful
>>115890069
>>115890263asari and marimari underscore english sharing 5 guys
>>115887304I thought it was a deliberate pun
>>115886853"Coming into this sexual situation..."First it was "man invading women's on-line spaces" and now you add "sexual situation". I'm sorry but if you want me to take you seriously you have to show me some logs cuz now you are framing it like they had fucking goon sessions in discord.
>>115893878>coming into Alana's sexual situation (anus)
>>115893878Your post got me realizing mariagrace didn't start claiming she was tricked into being ember's jerk off material until after she got in trouble with her husband for engaging with sexy jokes in the group chat. She legit is just trying to dodge accountability kek.
>>115893878What are you even talking about? The video in that area was talking about Ember's visceral reaction to the woman not wanting to be involved with trannies in a sexual women only setting.
>>115894002>cumming into Alana's sexual stimulationfix'd
>>115894015Being a victim to escape accountability is an increasingly more tempting poison nowadays.It's only gonna get better when we punish those who do that shit even harder.
>>115894053>>115894015>tranny trying to change the narrative to what they believe to be another easy targetdios mio
>>115894028>cumming into Alana's sexual stimulationIts hard work but someone has to do it.
>>115894021nta but I can understand both the chick wanting a foid only day and the group not wanting to exclude anyone. I don't know what a compromise would look like though since I'm not into bdsm. I also don't care enough to think about it too hard.
>>115894087Easy target? Brotherman, mariagrace is a newborn calf fresh out of her mother's coochie. She is legit the reason why the pressure on ember lessened.
>>115894123The important thing is Ember's reaction to it, as a tranny pretending to be a woman. He is 100% sounding like a sexpest tranny, even throwing out muh transphobe.
Someone please explain to me how this is so complex to Kirsche and others. Very few people are defending Ember's lying. They believe this should've been handled differently with different timing and that Strawb will continue her snake behavior.How in the fuck is this a problem? We mostly all agree on one aspect of it. How are these people incapable of understanding if they just do the blatantly obvious second part of this, we agree on everything and we move on? Or do they genuinely believe Strawb behaved perfectly?Fuck's sake. Leaflit and Powdur both were capable of understanding this. And they're women!
>>115894174It sounded like some bdsm community shit. The point of contention was not that she hates trannies, it's that she wanted to exclude a portion of whatever club she was in. Not that I think she's wrong for not wanting to fuck with trannies. I wouldn't either, but I'm also not versed in bdsm community so I don't know if she was committing some faux pas. I put bdsm and trannies on the same level of degen so I guess my mind is stunlocked trying to reconcile a degen wanting to exclude degens when I consider them similar. This is making my head hurt. I'm gonna just go to bed.
>>115894262Kirsche's clearly upset with Leaflit and others arguing it's your own fault if you were tricked by Ember, when those same people were promoting Ember without the>this is probably a man disclaimer.
>>115894321Has Kirsche actually addressed Leaflit on this? And she's been doing this shit since before Leaflit chimed in.This literally just boils down to agreeing to the "Yes and" statement as opposed to refuting the original issue.Leaflit is cripplingly autistic and capable of understanding this.
'ate trannies, simple as
>>115894262>>115894321You can predict people's take by how long they've been on the internet and/or how involved they were in social oriented online spaces. I saw some people surprised at powdur's take because she's supposed to be the heckin based chud queen, but as we know now, she was doing stuff in vrchat for a very long time. Not surprising she wouldn't care about a dude larping with a female avatar.
>>115894021That anon.Rev and other people are comparing Ember reacting to woman(?) in video in inherently sexual situation (BDSM club) and treating it as gacha for him being a woMAN in girlies (vomit) only discord channel which are not (neccesarily) sexual.Either we are comparing apples to oranges or there was something sus we are not allowed to see.
>>115894414>how long they've been on the internet and/or how involved they were in social oriented online spacesKirsche was raised on /pol/, so I don't think that's correct.>>115894419The "girlies only discord" thing is also disproven shit just being used to slander at this point. There were plenty of men in it.
>>115894262>we all agree Ember is wrong BUT HOWEVER THOUGHBEIT Strawb is the one in the wrong!lmaoEmber defense really thinks they're clever.
>>115894462>is the oneis also in the*Very important distinction.
>>115894441>Kirsche was raised on /pol/I don't really know how to put this but I'll try. I consider kirsche to be like the normalfag of internet users from back in the day. Part of the cool kids, if that makes sense. She wasn't a nerd. Like, I know she's played her fair share of mmos, but I haven't heard to talk about them like leaflit has. Leaning more toward rp type experience.
>turning yourself into a pretzel to defend some tranny freak just because you dislike the initial messenger
>>115894462desu I don't even really hate strawb in all this. she's just a dramawhore and shit stirrer. mariagrace is whomst I take the most umbrage with. also tectone. that faggot has really worn out his welcome.
>>115894518I don't have to turn myself into anything because I'm not defending him. It's just that the behavior of the people dogpiling him overshadows his wrongs.
>>115894559>the behavior of the people dogpiling him overshadows his wrongsNot only that, but the fact we all already agree he's done wrong and him coming out and even admitting and apologizing for doing wrong gives his side a sense of finality. Strawb and her ilk are the loose threads.
>>115894419You're misunderstanding. The point was his trans sexpest nature revealing itself in his reaction to the woman in the video. It highlights why the women who interacted with him thinking he was a fellow woman are vindicated in feeling uncomfortable/disgusted by the lie. Because he was undoubtedly a pervert getting his rocks off to them like they feared.. > in girlies (vomit) only discord channel which are not (neccesarily) sexual.There were men there. The point was the way they talked to him thinking he was a fellow woman made them very uncomfortable when they realized he was actually a man pretending to be a woman.
>>115894578I guess after back to back to back child killing mass shooters, the fate had to throw the trannies a single win, small as it is kek.
>>115894559NTA but you're literally defending him kek
>>115894650>condemning his actions is defending him
>>115894629>thinking he was a fellow woman made them very uncomfortableGood. Women deserve to be humbled a bit.
>>115894629>his trans sexpest nature revealing itself in his reactionnta but why didn't it reveal it in the group chat he was in?I'm a male with a male brain that wants dots to connect and logic to track. Bro gets animated about a woman wanting to have a girls only no trannie day in BDSM club. My brain wants to connect that dot to the dot of him being pushy sexually and asking the girls personal questions about their bodies in the discord, but that dot doesn't exist, at least not in anything maria posted.
Everyone involved in this are retards and the ones keep dragging this shit on longer than it needs to be are faggots. Simple as.
>>115894650I won't be combative since I haven't explicitly said it up to this point, so let me say it now; he shouldn't have lied. he shouldn't have kept up the charade in private this long. Personally, it's a non issue to me but if the girls take issue with it, they are not wrong to feel that way.
>>115894715True and real. Ember has already moved on, rev and tectone put out their videos, the women most affected have said their piece. so now it's just the peanut gallery carrying it on. And also strawb. I wonder how many final posts she'll be up to by tomorrow.
>>115894660See>>115889486>>115889507>>115888635The point is the feelings of the women involved, which has several unnamed people who interacted with Ember who discussed it with Strawb. And it's not like Maria posted their every exchange to show why she feels so strongly about it. From her words it's clear that one group chat wasn't their first time interacting.
>>115894809Meant for>>115894699
>>115894809>which has several unnamed people who interacted with Ember who discussed it with StrawbIf they have a definitive kill shot they should post it and end Ember's career once and for all if they think he's a threat instead of vagueposting.
>>115894809>several unnamed peopleWe are not doing this "anonymous sources say" bullshit, nigga. Take a hike.>but maria also saidI trust maria's word less than strawb's. She popped into ember's confession stream to joke around and be supportive. Then a little bit later she does a complete 180. And don't you try to pull that retarded feminist rhetoric of "um sweetie, it's very common for rape victims to joke around with their rapist because they're still processing the rape."
>>115894809several unnamed people have already said that you're a troon dick sucking faggot
Strawb won Rev won Ember lost. Big time
>>115894715>>115894759It's being dragged on because the Ember defense force was still attacking Strawb
>>115894809>several unnamed people who interacted with Ember who discussed it with StrawbI've discussed things with several unnamed people. They all say Strawb is secretly a massive fan of abortion and likes to consume the rotten flesh of their carcasses.Trust me, bro. Unnamed people told me. That means I can go public with the accusation. No, you can't know who.
>>115894951Maybe rev should beat her so she'll finally shut the fuck up.
>>115894990Ain't no way that bitchboy has the balls to do that
>>115894990Unironically at this point. Just embrace the traditional lifestyle like they would so preach.
>>115894951Yeah and she should ignore them and let them seethe instead of dropping "Final Post part 16 revenge of the troons".
>>115894990Never happen hes a drama tuber and his wife makes drama he can milk, kinda like a firefighter lighting house fires to give his buddies work.
We're all just waiting for kirsche's take before we can all move on.
>>115894907>We are not doing this "anonymous sources say" bullshit, nigga. Take a hike.I'm not claiming any accusation by an "anonymous sources" you disingenuous troon. I'm saying there are supposedly more women who brought up to strawb that they think Ember may be a man. And their feelings, whichever way they feel about it, are the focal point of the matter. >>115894937Why double down on your retardation?
>>115895069>kirsche's takeDidn't she already give her take on side scrollers?
>>115895069>waiting for kirsche's takeShe's given her take. Have you not been paying attention?
>>115894955>>115895081
>>115895069Not looking forward to the circles she'll go in with chat if she brings it up. One of her oilers is an Ember simp. Midterms is right there, she can't afford another crashout like the gauche bullshit again.
>>115895081>not doing "anonymous sources">supposedly more women who brought up to strawbThat is literally anonymous sources, dipshit.
>>115895081>several unnamed people is not an anonymous source
>>115894262I'm not saying Kirsche is blinded by rage partially due to her history and rare breed of retards that @her on X keeping her mana up.I won't repost her following MadameSavvy's posts on twitter, you can find them in previous threads but she certainly is not standing w Strawb as aforementioned retards. Yestreday on Scrollers https://www.youtube.com/live/WFmA7j7lEJc?&t=6820 She is hyperfocusing on him lying [opinion] because that is something that resonates w her personaly [/opinion] https://www.youtube.com/live/WFmA7j7lEJc?&t=4814 Then there is she on women's on-line spaces https://www.youtube.com/live/WFmA7j7lEJc?&t=4880 and right after ranting on why she is rustled and emotional core of her argument somewhere here https://www.youtube.com/live/WFmA7j7lEJc?&t=4907 Craig guess trying to repeat the her argument back, again follow the theme of honesty https://www.youtube.com/live/WFmA7j7lEJc?&t=4999 This concerns people citing rules of the internet and blaming heavy_quotes 'victims' https://www.youtube.com/live/WFmA7j7lEJc?&t=5059To insert myself here I get her in that while I and many anons here have those rules imbeded in our half empty skulls I do feel for and protective over younger retards like Yukiwaru even tho I fully deserve if you call me fag for treating what might be 40 y/o run throuugh hooker on her side of monitor with baby gloves.Skimming throu this is her commentary on CalebHammerShow clip. Personaly I would like you to pay attention to line "he is getting mad at woman who doesn't like men in SEXUAL space" which makes me thing I'm not alone on smelling coal gas (I am not diagnosed w nothing, don't even)https://www.youtube.com/live/WFmA7j7lEJc?&t=5328Craig plans to interview Ember and fox is interested in so I don't think she is speaking from hate even if she is pissed.https://www.youtube.com/live/WFmA7j7lEJc?&t=5427 and final one to underscore this https://www.youtube.com/live/WFmA7j7lEJc?&t=5740TL,DR: People that involved themselves in this drama talk past each other and put each other on teams when both side deserve separate spanking.Thx for listening to my TEDtalk
>>115895081>there are supposedly Oh my god, dude. Work with facts and knowns, you dumb fucking monkey.
>>115895127>YukiwaruI fully expect her to reconnect with ember if the friend group majority does. Not trying to knock her but she strikes me as wanting to follow the group.
>>115895110>>115895121Are you autistic? Also hilarious double posting still. The point was there are multiple women involved in their circle. We are not discussing the accusation that Ember may be a man, which he is and literally confirmed himself. Now take a moment to think about what source implies in "Anonymous Source" retardOnce again I said that there are multiple women who may have feelings one way or another about him.
>>115885343This joke hurts a little today
>>115895127>all those timestamps>doublespaced>using [opinion]Okay, anon. Who are you? Which person in question are you trying to run damage control for? Nobody in this thread does this much effort.
>>115895221>Once again I said that there are multiple women who may have feelings one way or another about him.Yukiwaru being one of them.
>>115895221In this context "source" implies "people" and "anonymous" implies "unnamed"
>>115895174Yukiwaru seems to be to preoccupied grifting off Tectone right now so I doubt it.
>>115894441>>115894629Sorry, I was operation on assumption that anons here were still believing the 'women only online spaces' part of the discourse.
>>115895271rando fag batting for his retarded forrest creature
Wake up and slime is still live making some silly song on stream. Meanwhile the thread is still arguing about the retarded drama from like 3-4 days ago
>>115895426>rando fag battingNo, anon. I don't think it is. Rando fags baiting don't put in nearly that amount of effort. This is someone who genuinely believes what he says and is willing to put in a ton of effort.>>115895450Wait, Reafrit is live? When the fuck did she stream at 8AM EST?
>>115895459She's been streaming for like 7+ hours and is ending
>>115895480>streaming for like 7+ hoursOh, yeah. That explains it. I went to bed early. I'm trying to fix my sleep schedule. Hopefully I can start catching her earlier streams.
>>115895311>In this context "source" implies "people"Ah you're legit retardedA source literally implies a source of information. Nowhere am I talking about any accusations or information gleaned from anonymous sources. By pushing it as "anonymous source" you're attempting to disingenuously frame the conversation as though I'm talking about random schizo bullshit. Rather than me claiming there are an unknown amount of women who interacted with Ember who may have feelings about the matter, based on Strawb's factual words. Like Yukiwaru who apparently had Ember in her DMs
>>115895127>Then there is she on women's on-line spacesAs pointed out by Juju, these weren"t actually women's only group chats, and from the current screenshots Ember wasnt doing anything anyone else was.>Kirsche spends some going on about Ember's book and equating it to ana valens thing about trans breeding camps for terfs.I hate the whole "FICTION INFORMS AND EFFECTS REALITY!" argument whenever and wherever it's brought up to justify censorship or canceling. And in theory the only person that would be hurt by ember trying to live out their fantasy of their high school bully turning them into a sex slave would be ember ending up in a abusive relation relationship, while ana in theory could snap and hurt real women.>This concerns people citing rules of the internet and blaming heavy_quotes 'victims>modern audience internet users demand authenticity and we need t change to accommodate themliterally the thing sjws say when they move to take over a community.Kirsche may not be in direct alignment with strawb, but its clear to me she's letting her own personal disgust of any kind of mtf behavior override anything else.
>>115895894>the whole "FICTION INFORMS AND EFFECTS REALITY!" argument whenever and wherever it's brought up to justify censorship or cancelingThe funniest shit is that Rev is known for defending fiction. This is so own-goal it's almost hilarious.
>>115895612Your proof for everything you have said is, by your own admission, Some women somewhere may or may not have said something. Do not post again before you learn what words mean you illiterate troglodyte.
>>115896051>calls people illiterate>Literally incapable of understanding a simple post and just regurgitates his false claim of anonymous sourcesAre you a bot? Do you not understand English? >Nowhere am I talking about any accusations or information gleaned from anonymous sources.
>>115896174>Nowhere am I talking about any accusations or information gleaned from anonymous sources.That is the only thing you have done
>>115896222You're just making up your own arguments now kek. Just going by the troon playbook huh
>>115896174>>115896239NTA but stop being a strawb simp it's embarrassing
Man I sure am glad threads are faster now.. haha..
>>115895127>I do feel for and protective over younger retards like Yukiwaru even tho I fully deserve if you call me fag for treating what might be 40 y/o run throuugh hooker on her side of monitor with baby gloves.The chivalrous urge to protect retarded women is nothing to be ashamed of. It's why we have to take away their rights, for their own good.
>>115896239Pointing out what you are doing is not "making up arguments"
>>115896253Rev has no choice but to come here to defend his whorewife
>Man pretends to be a woman in order to manipulate actual women into getting close to him >There are people defending this
>>115896294see>>115895221>We are not discussing the accusation that Ember may be a man, which he is and literally confirmed himself.You are arguing against the voices in you head anon. Go ahead and tell me, what is the me in your head claiming anonymous sources told me.
>>115896263This shit has devolved into 2 retards fighting on loop
>>115896351It's crazy. You can see how they're talking about 2 different things here with maria not understanding he was being your average sexpest tranny with the innuendo. You see these exact people in MMOs all the time
>>115896501Maria's husband has to be furious another man was talking to his wife this way.
>>115896501The idea that the offhanded knee bandaid joke is sexpesting is fucking retarded. It's just more proof they have nothing to back up their claims.
>>115896799>Person A innocently talking about a design they previously stated they made to not get sexualized>Person B: hurr hurr bandages on the knees, susss *tongue out emoji*>Person A: fails to understand hes talking about her being on her knees sucking dickIt's sexpesting. They're a creepy faggot, like yourself undoubtedly
>>115896799That image is hot and anyone who disagrees is gay.
>>115896888>that nyuu art stylepatrician taste
>>115897063Rockets are kind of crazy to think about. Like imagine a car where 90% of it was the engine. I guess trains are kind of like that
>>115896941>do you even lift, n'wah?
>>115897328>engine*fuel
>>115897438Computer, generate LoliAlana
>14 minutes of stop motion animation for a vtuber That's a genuinely insane amount of work for 1 person. I used to do stop motion animation, and after editing you've got hours of work for a couple seconds worth of finished product
>>115897438Cute honse.
>>115896888>>Person A: fails to understand hes talking about her being on her knees sucking dickNTA but I don't know that sounds an awful lot like head canon to me, but hey i am willing to take your word for it, after all, your the expert on sucking dick!
What a timeloop
The problem with trying to cancel the troon for his troon fiction is that if you do that then you're basically conceding the argument to any leftoid that wasn't to censor anime and video games. Rev in particular should know better than this shit because he literally built his entire career on this before going into dramaslop.
>>115897894>Forced troon rape fantasies are the same as censoring big tits Come on bro
>>115886853When it comes to trannies you need to understand something about them and that is they are lies incarnate in human flesh. Every aspect of them is a lie.Firstly they all want you to be "accepting" and "tolerant" which is a rich irony and contradiction considering the fact that they could not even tolerate themselves.Secondly, anyone changing their name much less their entire identity and putting themselves in communities/places where nobody knows them are always running from something and that's because they have skeletons in their closet. Literally everyone who does this shit has something to hide, this is not normal behavior.Thirdly, they suffer from massive Peter Pan syndrome and have the mentality that the grass is always greener on the other side. The only reason it's greener on the other side of the fence is because they're not over there fucking it up. The truth is these people are suicidal before even transitions, not after. It's why they're so desperate for escapism and when the delusion shatters it becomes the straw that breaks the camel's ACK.Finally, trannies do this because they're always failed men. Male vtubers are massive minority in this industry and many usually fail. For whatever opinions you have on vtubers like Randon or Nux,, they are success stories. Ember is a story of a person who picked deceit because they needed the easiest difficulty so succeed and this is a common trait in all tranny stories.Point being, trannies are the antithesis of truth and it's not surprising that all this is coming to fruition and Zentreya is probably next in line. Get your popcorn.
>>115897993In principle, yes. The argument hinges on the idea that "fiction is fiction" and your ability to separate the two. if you concede in one case that "this fiction is harmful and should be banned" you're leaving the door wide open for feminists and troons to come in and try to ban your boobies and your lolies and you know damn well that they will because they already try to anyway.
>>115897894I don't care about his book. It's his fox in the henhouse behavior. Being lewd with women who think they're just joking with other women.
>>115895459>Rando fags baiting don't put in nearly that amount of effort.Dunno what to tell you, man. This shit it's getting to me more that it should. Don't think it's something build from long term resentment towards drama nogs or if it maps on #MeToo type witchhunts.I'm not particulary mad at Strawb or Teccy, I kinda hoped Kirsche could process this internaly w/o self inserting herself into story told by Maria. I don't stan Ember and firmly believe he had multiple chances to make things right and is completely at fault.I just look at evidence and level of bloodlust that people build up over him esentialy catfishing... even tho we have so far no proof he tried or did anything with them....and it doesn't add up. If you do wrong you should get what you deserve, sure, and he already did. Why are people keep pushing IDK but it seem to me unjust and unussual punishment for what we have seen evidence of.Maybe in almost four decades of my life interacting with women I have not learned enough about women friendships but those broads are going above and beyond wast majority of f-f friendship breakups.
>>115898161>even tho we have so far no proof he tried or did anything with themBut we have proof of him flirting and talking lewd to them?
>>115898227>proof of him flirting
If there exists evidence of Ember being an actual sexpest towards the girls they should post it so we can shit on him properly, otherwise this wishy washy shit is just giving him an out to garner sympathy.
>>115898451There is>>115896501Also Yukiwaru saying he would flirt with her. But lets not pretend you're arguing in good faith here.
>>115898517I'm saying this from the position of "if you don't post the proof he's gonna be able to worm his way out of accountability" not trying to defend the troon here. If they want to do a proper takedown then we need receipts not he said she said.
I won't sway silent any longeralana's anus has been sexpesting me
>>115898620And it'll do it again
>>115898620Sorry to hear that. Stay strong brother.
>>115898451>>115898517>>115898561On the topic of "why the hell is this circus still going?".It's the sometimes weird flirting combined with his forced-fem "uwu sissy clitty slutty baka" self-insert book. That's what's getting the girls sperging out. It does make it more disgusting, which makes them *feel* more strongly - which for women is one of their primary standards of justice. They're continuing to lash out because they're seeking emotional restitution.Many of us may feel like Ember being outed and losing his deceitfully gained friends and collaborators more or less settles his side of the matter, but we're not women. For women it barely moves the needle. Strawb being a snake doing gayops is so beside the point (to them) as to be insulting.
https://x.com/KirscheVerstahl/status/2116209461576540460Sadly it has come to it that our girls are goint at it over Ember drama.
>>115898920Woman moment.
>>115898920This perfectly encapsulates what anon was saying earlier. Leaf is the shy escapist nerd, Kirsche is the alpha competitor nerd. They're people from completely different worlds.
>>115898920Reafrit is more right here than you are Kirsche, sorry. Hopefully this doesn't get too heated.
>>115898985Yep, got myself some brandy for today'S stream, tonight and next few days are probably gonna scrape the bottom of the shitter.
Scraping Alana's anus to see what noises she makes
>>115898920Leaf should have hit Kirsche with the leftist discourse quote with how much she's misconstruing her here.
Anyone else that wasn't digging the new model at first loving it now?
>>115898920>Leaflit says that she used AI because she's bad at communicating This immediately makes everything she's saying worthless lol
>>115898920Going to side with the hamburgler on this one. Leftlit is being disingenuous.>well actually he didn't coerce them into sexual stuff! It's just banter!Which they wouldn't have had with a dude and theres no way Leaflit can't understand this. A dude making a sexual joke about a woman being on her knees out of the blue would not fly with a normal man and woman friendship. And any normal guy would know thats crossing a line. There was trust and a sense of security for all their conversations because they believed him to be a woman, but he was actually a creeper getting off to them. It's disgusting and it's understandable why they're upset.
>>115899144Two things can be true at once>them being upset is understandablebut also>they were fucking retards for not realizing it was a dude the voice changer should have been a dead giveaway
>>115899095I was liking it from the get go
>>115898920>>115899033Oh it ain't that bad, thank Christ. hopefully they keep it that way.On another note fox is up quite early today. Hope she ate her eggu.
>>115899205>up quite early>1pmHer sleep schedule is somehow even more degenerate than mine if that's "early" for her
>>115899097I know that comparing Kir (self-described) and Leaf as to who is bigger conflict avoiding push-over is kinda ridiculous but if you follow Leaf for some time you understand she really neds her AI and Asari to get anything done.
>>115898920>leaflit correctly identifying this as a moral disagreement born from different fundamental assumptions>kirsche being so self-confident and in her feelings she does a "so you're saying" without understanding leaf properlyOn brand for both of them. I just hope it doesn't spiral out of control.
So do they hate Ember for being trans or for being a weirdoappeal to emotion or built off of something concrete?
>>115898920I expected kirsche to be one shot but this because she's having an emotional response since she already finds dudes using female personas to be gross. Leaflit thought about it like some autist as she always does. Both are right but leaflit is more right.
>>115898161>level of bloodlust that people build up over him esentialy catfishingNo you see this kind of reaction all the time when women perceive an effeminate man entering their spaces without acting gay. The sex-pesting was obvious sex-pesting and is disgusting, but many of the women malding really hard would not be anywhere close to as mad if Ember had been a manly man instead. The gut instinct repulsion is one of the reasons people are so harsh towards mtfs
>>115884883which of these women was the nazi that liked black men?
>>115899221Numerous times she oversleep 14:30 alarms and would have to be woken by headmod or her flatmate. Fox lives that NEET schedule.
>>115899300heavenlyfather
>>115896799Here's the real pic
>>115899268>So do they hate Ember for being trans or for being a weirdoAll troons are weirdos
>>115899348I don't think that, I feel big empathy for non racial minorities so it makes me sad and mad when people shit on them
>>115899294>The sex-pesting was obvious sex-pestingYou niggas still trying with this bullshit? The chats were posted for all to see. It never got spicier than the kind of banter and jokes you would expect between friends, male or female. You want to assert the dude was being a sex pest, show me the behavior. Show me the chats where he was pestering the girls for selfies or irl info. Show me the chats where he was posting hentai at them and going, me and who? ;)If you can't, find a new angle to push.
>>115899275>since she already finds dudes using female personas to be grossGood point, it's been some time since we had opportunity to observe it since she normaly avoids those guys like a plague.>>115899268Kir see Ember as a flat out liar with ulterior motives and Leaf, while acknowledges he is a liar, states that online anonymity and divide between internet persona and real person is inherent to internet relations, everyone has right to keep them separate and even arguably going as far that demanding such physical realities be revealed is akin to invasion of privacy, ie nobody has right to know if you are 400lb black dude.
>>115899348nta but trannies are degens and deviants.leaf is a weirdo. what we're seeing is division between genuine nerds and weirdos. people that want this side of vtubing to be normalfag culture war bullshit because that's what they came for after watching a clip or two of a chud tuber being based, and people that want it to stay tied to anime culture and weird to an extent.
>it's totally okay and excusable when OUR tranny does itLol, lmao even. Did I take a wrong turn and end up in bizarro /smug/? Purge that fucking thing from the chudsphere and be quick and thorough about it before it invites more of his ilk.
>>115899386>>115899294Kinda this, I have some online friends that are AFAI can tell female and we get lot wilder in open, general chats w/o it being anything serious. How come lewd jokes and some light larping like proof provided are verbooten in 2000+26?
*hits pipe*These dumb whores like kirsche will cry and lament how new internet is treated too much like real life, then cry and pearl clutch because someone wasn't treating the internet like real life. Fuck em, I says.
>>115899386>>115899471What's in the chats is very clear horny-pesting at a minimum, and it would have been perceived as such had Ember presented as male to the other party. Wild sexual banter, especially with women is perceived based on the positions of the people involved. It's like the difference between you horny posting with a best friend as a joke vs your high school gym teacher doing it to you out of nowhere. >>115899268Former, but some are validly justifying using the latter and others are just bandwagoning.Kirsche specifically has been very outspoken in the past that she finds any kind of non-cishet behavior or presentation by men physically repulsive. Whether you agree or not on that is besides the point, but it does at least make anything she says untrustworthy on these kinds of topics, even if you like her.
Why didn't Ember just, you know, not pretend to be a woman?
>>115899471>How come lewd jokes and some light larping like proof provided are verbooten in 2000+26?It's because maria accidentally exposed good christian girls acting unchristianly.
>>115899386>It doesn't count because it wasn't these exreme examplesWhat a childish argument. You must be a troon, is that you Ember?Thats not a joke a male and female friend would make.>>115896501especially with one in a relationship.Theres a very obvious picture painted of his behavior even if you ignore his flirting with YukiwaruHe's a sexpest
>>115899453I've completely given up on trying to follow the dumb drama shit because the arguments are just getting more insane grasping at anything and trying to involve as many people while simultaneously pushing a narrative. Like it legit just seems like a retard is getting baited by an anti
>>115899498so what would Kirsche think of me as a joblet, skinnyfat, drivers licenselet shy awkward and quiet non stereotypically masculine guy that doesnt really want to be the main money earner in the relationshiphaha......
this is a clean internet native vs normalfag culture divide.As someone who's interested in niche autistic topics I just default assume literally everyone is a tranny, and I'm right 90% of the time.Like go into any tech or anime community and there's gay guys erping in the general chat. And honestly even the straight dudes make so many gay sex jokes it's sometimes literally impossible to tell.Every meetup is troons and mystery meat, ever con is full of gay sex, I'm still on the old internet rule of automatically assuming girls literally don't even exist and are all just homos.I'm not saying I like it, but I can't really imagine it being otherwise. It's like being surprised a bunch of e-"girls" at a speedrunning event turn out to be dudes in wigs. Like seriously man, you thought those would be actual females?
>>115899366Trannies cannot exist in society without trying to pervert it. It is their fundamental nature.
>>115899449>weirdoI kinda hate it, especially hearing this from likes of Tectone , of normies or tourist-lites coming in, púointing fingers and saying shit like "wow dude that is like so weird and creepy, doesn't matter that it's how it always was this is not right and -we- must change it so young/new bes fit in"FUCK THATIt's another thing I don't get why Kirsche takes that stance, she is as old or maybe tiny bit older she definitely watched and read ton of weird or otherwise qualifiable badwrong stuff, she has definitely read shit on AO3 or and/or numerous other sites yet she is somehow fucking outraged about someone's magical realm. Is she so beyond pale she forgot where she came from or has Tectroon or some other influencer prostitute succesfuly transnormied her to this point?! What the fuck are we doing here?
the only opinion that matters is Asari's
>>115899629and alana's anus
>>115899554>It doesn't count because the label doesn't fit the behaviorfix'dAnd against you try to push banter as predator behavior. Nothing I saw in the chats had ember directing his sexuality at any of the girls. >his flirting with YukiwaruLet her post the logs. I'm not going to call yuki a liar, but I'm also not just going to believe all women either. You want me to believe the guy was perving on the girls and using them for sexual gratification, prove it to me.
>>115899627Anal Violence mindraped her with his fiction so much she got a day ban and have been anti-troon literature ever since. Which is probably a good thing, I don't think I've ever read anything worthwhile from a tranny that isn't degenerate wish fulfilment or extremely violent.
>>115899627shouldn't you be watching dogs get electrocuted or something?
>>115899646>I-It's just banterFor the terminally online sexpests whose entire identity revolves around sex maybe.That would get you kicked from most places/friendships and accused of sexual harrassment.
>>115899627>she definitely watched and read ton of weird or otherwise qualifiable badwrong stuffThe thing is, she sought out that stuff to mock and share with others to laugh at how gross and weird it is. She wasn't a weirdo or a nerd with niche interests. She was posting on /pol/ about irl shit and laughing at dick pics from her friend group. Leaf was on /a/ talking about anime and immersing herself into weeb culture without a hint of irony.
>>115899646It's unlikely there was much that was worse - at least not without the other side participating and therefore being too cringe to release. It would be out if there was at this point.>Nothing I saw in the chats had ember directing his sexuality at any of the girlsYou do not understand how sexpesting works. One of the most effective strategies they will engage in is trying to be indirectly sexual, or divert every conversation into a horny topic. If you are just "suck my dick" straight up it's the equivalent of just sending a dickpic and doesn't work
>>115899595The same disgust she has for phuta phil and bint. You're basically phuta phil and bint minus the degen fetishes.
>>115899611Bingo. Anyone with a female name I assume is a man and I'm right 90% of the time. Kirsche is acting a lot like a normal fag. For someone who knows many of the players of the old IBS days, knows about the Farms, Bible Black, etc she acting like a normie foid.
>>115899611cons and meetups are only full of gays because those are the only kinds of people who are willing to leave their home to meet with internet strangers.
>>115899712can we analyze that why would she think so maybe if we took out the body part what would she have against the other parts thats just kinda weird and uncalled for
>>115899595Kirsche is innately a kind of brutal cavewoman, moderated slightly by her miserable childhood to be more understanding than she otherwise would be.She would think of you as a disgusting failure, not even really a man at all. But she's been hurt enough to pull her punches and encourage you to improve yourself instead of being too scornful.
>>115899699>You do not understand how sexpesting works.Nigga how many examples of actual outed sex pests do we have by now? We don't need to do this UM ACKSHUALLY faggotry, we have preexisting chatlogs we can look at to see what actual predatory behavior looks like and ember's group chats don't match up. Even if you think he was being subtle about it ramp it up in a boil the frog type of deal, he was in the group for something like two years. If he was indeed in there to perv on the girls, he was playing one hell of a long game.
>>115899699Yeah. It's the sneaky way of making stuff Sexual. I be honest and I used it on real life woman and it works surprisingly well. For example I remember a girl who asked for my number, the first thing I sent her a duck Pic, pic releated. A playful picture that allows the women to imagine sexual things herself. Women unlike men are more imaginative and less visual with how they perceive sex.
>>115899829A glimpse into the mind of a devious sex pest.
>>115899807isn't his entire character about playing the long game? when you LARP as a woman online, what even is the endgoal? it'd be as subtle as possible for as long as possible, all while he's getting off to the thrill of the deception; he was perving the entire time.
>>115899738>be massive /d/ content, loli, trap, DAGASI art, and monster connoisseur. >still understand why the tranny is a creeper fag who should be a pariah and why people are upsetDamn where did you guys defending him go wrong in life that I became the normalfag
>>115899807Again, to reiterate. You don't understand sexpesting. Unless you seriously think someone has to be explicitly soliciting sex or pestering them for nudes to be sexpesting... If you think that I can only assume you don't hang out around women at all and so haven't seen the nefarious behavior.Generally people just ignore you or cut you off if you do the above, so while that IS sexpesting, it only really comes out when you do it to a billion women and they all corroborate it.Also you can sexpest without even realizing you're doing it. Before you claim this is bullshit - it's not. You can be creepy without realizing it as well. I don't think that was the case here, but it could have been since the public evidence is not as bad as it could have been.
Has anyone else noticed how everyone is still too busy being oneshot by this ember shit to talk about how youmacon is revoking badges from attendees?
are you telling me kirsche is a california high school queen bee stacy?
>>115899807He was perving on them. You're being stupid and claiming he wasn't because he didn't send them dick pics or ask for nudes like a disingenuous retard.
>>115899901You must hang out with actual women too much.
>>115899860I'm not a sex pest. I just do it with girls I feel a connection with. But I keep it light and funny because women like funny. Most of the time it's the ladies that get much more explicit than me. When that happens I recommend you detach yourself and tease the girl instead. If a girl is being horny for example instead of telling her what I want to do, I ask her what she wants me to do. You want them to be the ones using their imagination.Don't be some weird horny creep writing an ERP fan fic online. That's my big recommendation.
>>115899915Strawb was paid of by Youmacon to get the heat of them.
>>115899915lmao if they went despite the Kirsche situation, they deserve it. strikes me as "just let me grill" faggots.
>>115899925The average normie-core foid is not a queen bee stacy. Some might even know "obscure" net lore from the 00s. She has probably one of the most normie foid opinion sets I have ever seen. A lot of women are not SSRI tiktok libs
>>115899520It was for opsec reasons bro
>>115899985yeah, she was just shy about her voice because she stutters sometimes
>>115899901How many times does it have to be said, no one is defending him. Even leaflit says she understands why people are upset, and they have a right to be if they feel deceived. >>115899908>You don't understand sexpestingYeah, clearly I don't because I have a male brain that doesn't get oneshot by feminist rhetoric like>you can sexpest without even realizing you're doing itWhat the fuck are we doing?
>>115899621Strictly speaking they can and have before. The current phenomenon is not the same as the older stuff where useless effete males were allowed to exist on the margins of society as woman-like-things doing woman-like-work.The engine behind the impulse to destroy and subvert everything is called Queerness as-in Queer Theory, and it's mostly a French and Jewish invention that libtarded white people took and ran with. It's a whole fucking thing. The core idea is that all norms and standards are evil simply because they are norms or standards.Satanic, really.
>>115899985Bullshit. While I agree they Strawb is a cunt and Kirsche is a bit of a normie foid, Ember is definitely into some weird shit. Like you don't need to change your gender for Opsec.
>>115899985I don't believe it was for opsec reasons entirely. I think he just went with a set up he liked and it spiraled from there to the point it got away from him.
>>115899621>Trannies cannot exist in society without trying to pervert iti hate to break it to you but kirsche doesn't believe that.
>>115900008>I have a male brain that doesn't get oneshot by feminist rhetoricIt is not "feminist rhetoric" to think you can do something without being self-aware of it. Do you think people don't ever think with their dicks? or are just extremely socially unaware to the point they don't know what's appropriate? I implore you to go touch grass instead of paying attention to this drama
>>115899915Bad move capitulating to the threat.They should have let law enforcement come, calmly explained the situation, and then complied will all directions. Then there would be some kind of record to aid future action.
>>115900008You and leaflit are literally defending him by trying to downplay his sexpesting as banter
>>115899915Judging by the Kick label in his pfp I've five bucks riding on that he tried to irl stream or something and got told to fuck off multiple times
>>115900061Well it's a good thing I don't base my opinions on those of content creators
>>115900091It was definitely sexpesting, but probably not that bad in practice. People are clearly much more upset about the deception. That and how the whole facade makes them look bad/feel bad
>>115899972>>115899800>>115899712Doesn't Kirsche like Asmongold?
I didn't notice, but Leaflit put out one last statement.https://x.com/Leaflit/status/2116192183938097300
>>115900069There's a wide fucking gulf between dropping an inappropriate joke and being a sexual predator. I don't subscribe to this game where the qualifiers for labels are so low, they can apply to anyone if you perform enough mental gymnastics.>>115900091Because it wasn't sexpesting, nigga.
>>115900135Not a lot of women watch asmon, but you can be damn sure a non-trivial number of them basically have the same belief-set as him circa 1-2 years ago. Just add in some extremely expedient feminist beliefs and you're golden.
>>115900152see>>115898920>https://x.com/KirscheVerstahl/status/2116209461576540460
Ember's mental state makes sense when you learn it's a 5'2 tier manlet. If I were that short, I wouldn't consider myself a man either.
>>115884883We're being raided.See >>115900103No smugler is going to reflexively post "eww, kick" in defense of a con that fucked Kirsche around.Go back to your discord you fucking tranimals.
>>115900178NTA but you literally have no idea what sexpest behavior is
>>115900178>There's a wide fucking gulf between dropping an inappropriate joke and being a sexual predatorYou are correct here. Sexual predator implies a lot more than just sexpesting. That's why they're different words. Are you going to stop larping as a retard at some point?
>>115900193The fox better not start beefing with Leaflit now.
Holy shit, I'm ready for this to be over. As long as kirsche doesn't pull shit gay ultimatum shit on leaf like, it's me or the troon, I don't fucking care anymore.
kek
>>115900200My brother is around that size and he is a man's man. He was in the Army, did sports all his life, practices BJJ and is always doing sports things. He was also good with the ladies as well. Being small doesn't make you less of a man because you are either born a man or a woman. That's it's. It's an inherent characteristic of 99.9999% of all of us. Obviously certain things are harder as a short man but that doesn't mean that trooning out is the answer.
>>115900135Asmongold is not shy, awkward, quiet, or jobless. He's not submissive and not looking to have a woman provide for him. He's actually quite typically masculine, even though he still has his weaknesses. We all do. Apparently (You) more than most.
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>>115900328I'm selling my Yukiwaru coin
>>115900355why is that a fucking problem personalities are personalities man might as well fucking kill myself i guess since despite what i may hear women are still just npcs running 1500bc programming
>>115900386Yukiwaru has been simping for Tectone for the last month, you still haven't sold?
>>115900207>We're being raidedYou just now figured that out? It's been a regular event for the past few weeks.
>>115900386It was going to happen sooner or later with how aggressive of an infiltrator tectone is, and how eager yuki is to network.
>>115900003Yeah sure, about as much as Mizuki.
Things like this were a thing way before /vt/ even existed.
>>115900410>it's le hopelessnigga, your father, granfather and line of your ancestors from dawn of human race managed to get some woman pregnant and raised that kid to adulthood, don't start with this defeatist shit.
>>115900328Eh, I get Yuki wants to grow and Teccy has proven history of making small streamers into big streamers but after she went on record how she did not want to grow using drama in the past this leaves a bad taste in my mouth.Something like salty coins and milk.
>>115900720I don't want to start blackpilling on the women question but anon's father, grandfather, and line of ancestors didn't have to compete for a woman on the world stage because the internet exists.
>>115900462she’s a clout chaser and I bet both alana and kirsche have sized her up as such because they’re smart, which is why they ignore her desperate ass
>>115900757If you put any trust into Tectroon as a vtuber you are genuinely fucking stupid given his past and current behavior
>>115900757Tectone also has a history of being an opportunistic grifter that hops from community to community. I hope it doesn't take too long before he fucks off from vtubing.
Yuki does it for the money. It’s extremely obvious.
>>115900810>If you put any trust into Tectroon as a vtuber you are genuinely fucking stupidWell they are women.
>>115900410Have you considered solving the problem instead of having a bitch fit? You don't get to be a stay at home NEETboi. That's not a personality type.Pick two of your listed traits to keep and work on the rest, with the exception that you can't stay a joblet.It takes about 2 years to really turn one's life around, and the later you start the worse it's going to be.
>>115900843True and real
Think I'll skip foxu's stream today. I expect she'll be insufferable and have many crashouts looping with chat.
>>115900329>did sports all his life, practices BJJThe only thing that manlet faggot did practice in the military was BJs
>>115900843>Well they are women.Apparently not. KEK
>>115900877>BJJ>Blowjob Jutsulumao
>>115900847I will but its hard to be 100% motivated when I'm convinced I'll despise having to pretend Im some frat chad
>>115900872No you won't, you get your ass right there, Honorable chatter. We are men, we do not do this pussy shit.
>>115900872No you don't nilla, Foxu time.
>>115900999>>115900999>>115900999
>>115900915>pretend I'm some frat chadOkay, see you've already interpreted this through your defeatist lens.You don't have to pretend to be someone else, but you do need to grow yourself into your masculinity and away from whatever hurt child persona you're clearly stuck in.If you're a quiet sensitive sort, then it's doubly important for you to also be emotionally stable, competent, and self-assured, for example. Masculinity, when it comes to attracting women, is about being formidable, and there are many different ways to be that.
>>115900410get your t levels checked. you might genuinely be low t and it's affecting your judgement and personality.
