Previous: >>98901411Halloween edition>Newshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Current Banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Bracket Informationhttps://files.catbox.moe/4tbvzw.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/r62yfy.png>Former Commander Website: Learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Card Searchhttps://scryfall.com>Card Statistics: See what everyone else puts in their Commander decks based on what is posted to the Internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Deck List Sites: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.com>Manabase Information: Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>spooky bolas>Proxy Guidehttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>tqHave you ever given out/received magic cards as trick or treat?
>the new pleasing artwork in question
>>98905391Clearly you've never eaten a, umm... pie.
>>98905516what do you mean, this is more realistic looking and that means its more advanced
>>98905473I ordered some proxy's from Gobbo anon
>>98905550Which ones? What's the deck? Which print service?
>TQNo.
Did anyone ever ask John Avon what game this art was originally for? It clearly wasn't magic.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>98905571Roaming Throne, 2 Goblin Wizards and a few others, I'm using Printing Proxies
Happy Halloween everyone!
>>98905794kys pedo
>remove most of the banlist>bring back the old tuck rule>bring back the old legendary rule>ban UB by defaultThere. I fixed the format.
I'm putting together a team
>>98905862>copypasta doesn't say ban the banlist anymoretrannypilled
>>98905865Because some autistic anon wouldn't stop derailing the discussion with his bellyaching like and old woman.
Im sitting out here in the cold autumn night handing out candy and I keep thinking of Thalia and how I wish she was here with me. I have a cute Chinese girlfriend now so I feel even more guilty for still thinking about Thalia but I do. I know she'd be disgusted by me if we met for real. I know I'll never be good enough for her. I guess that's okay. In some ways I have moved on. But I will always compare any woman I'm with to how I felt about Thalia. And those feelings will always come up wanting.
>local store sells lands for 20 cents each>now I don't need to spend beacoup bucks on the fancy secret lair lands.....>I will now spend beacoup bucks on the fancy secret lair landsAnons, please lavish me with your recommendatuons.
>>98905794You too friend
>reading le card explains le card :)OK so what if I do this with Bello, then his effect won't happen>uh no chud because of le layers that are literally not explained on any card i can still have his effect :)
>>98905794Scary halloween to u too gobbro
>>98905926Get layered brainlet olamoo
>>98905794>Pov: You're gobpedo
>>98905898>secret lair basicsWewlad
How do I go about making a deck? All I know is I want to play Yeva and slap down big guys, but beyond that I'm not sure what to actually put in
>>98905971Get creature tutorsGet out sneedborn museVomit all over the board
>>98905971I bought a pre-con and swapped monsters and spells out in an even ratio and played a little bit before focusing more on what exactly I wanted the deck to do.
>>98905794She cute
>>98905971Mono G is pretty easy. You play ramp, you play fatties, you play a few protection spells like Heroic Intervention. With Yeva I'd also look for anything with ETB effects that are useful at instant speed like Bane of Progress
>>98905971How's the deck coming?
>>98906061>go to scryfall>sort by highest power in monogreen>slap them inI am not a brewerI really like piloting and maybe adjusting, but I cannot for the life of me create
What's the point of tapped creatures having deathtouch?
>>98906096Your attacking creatures that did not have death touch, now have deathtouch.And all the interactions that go along with that.
>>98906109Oh I'm actually retarded, too retarded for even mono-green
>>98906076In that case you can always use edhrec but not for the median listThe only thing the site is really good for is searching individual listsFind 3 cards you know you want in your list, let's say you know you are going to be high on artifact removal so you want a deck with liquimetal torque, you are in elves so you put priest of titania and you know you aren't going to leave home without heroic intervention in greenWell out of the 2000 decks there's only 5 that meet that criteria You have cradlehoofhttps://edhrec.com/deckpreview/R6x_mwL2yAY8xDnDeDl1MwYou have elfballhoofhttps://edhrec.com/deckpreview/267OnYk02CJ6fyA8l5H6ngYou have a green good stuff list with some interesting tech cards and only 31 landshttps://edhrec.com/deckpreview/ru_757h1YwuhiKjFmqm4WwAnother, imo more reasonable, elfball deckhttps://edhrec.com/deckpreview/ru_757h1YwuhiKjFmqm4WwAnd then an untappy, almost certainly Ashaya focused deckhttps://edhrec.com/deckpreview/Ku7Cg3Gv2DUlKfjA11Ur7wPick one you like and start thereAnd you don't need to pick my 3 cards either maybe you think torque is too cute and elves are lameThe world is your oyster
>>98906096It's not 1995 anymore, tapped blockers can still deal damage
>>98906096Infect
>>98905898>lands for 20 cents eachThat's absurdly expensive for chaff basics.
>>98905794Me on the bottom
I see a legendary nephilim now exists, but I hate it.Does everyone here still agree with the old consensus that the original five nephilim are acceptable as commanders even without the legendary supertype?Honestly with the pway phyrexian got errata'd onto like, 250ish creatures I'm surprised the nephilim haven't been errata'd to be legendary, the designers even stated they deeply regret not making them legendary.
>>98906271>Can use all of them in one deck>This is somehow badI can't pick up what you're laying down
>>98906296Their value was in being gorgeous art but mechanical and color oddities while also being a full cycle.the new legendary 5 color was wizards saying "hey you guys seem to like these in commander so we'll just give you a cheap excuse to throw them all together"They've been commanders and their fun is making four colour combos accessible, even if they arent alone for that anymore I was just wondering if at the least anons in this general think they're still acceptable in that slot.I didn't want or ask wotc to make them a slivers backup dancer and I won't dance to that tune.
Who is your spookiest general? For me it's Vilis.
>>98906353He is cryptid, after all.
>>98906353Probably this lad. Or Mishra if we count when I merge him with the Dragon Engine.
>>98906271>>98906317>my favorite creature isnt legendary :(You dont get everything you want in life, suck it up or play in your basement forever
>opponent casts path to exile targeting Clavileno>i smugly inform him that the path fizzles because there is no creature named Clavileno, that the creature is named Clavileño, with a different pronunciationCheckmate
>>98906271>>98906317I mean if you showed up with a deck for one and asked I'd personally be fine with it. I/we aren't the people you need to be asking though.
>>98906317I assumed the reasoning behind the new one was that it made it really easy to run any other Nephilim as a secret commander. You could run all five, but because it only searches for one and the mana cost is flexible, you can really easily build it as a 4-color deck by just exercising some restraint.That said, the far simper thing for them to do would be to print a colorless card like Faceless One that says "Choose a Nephilim" and doesn't have a color-selecting ability. Backgrounds would likewise be illegal as commanders without an ability that explicitly allowed you to choose one, and nothing would stop WotC from allowing a similar mechanic for whatever card subtype they wanted. The only other weird thing that might do is make it so you could pick out any Changeling as a commander as well.
>>98906296You forget that the reason 99% of people want to play Nephilim is to be a performative retard saying they're not playing a color while also jerking off Ravnica.
>>98906394the simple thing was already stated: errata legendary on them like they errata'd phyrexian on elesh norn and so many others.Then when they next get reprinted, don't reprint just the one, reprint the cycle and have it actually say legendary on the card
>>98906271Our opinions don't matter. Only your table's.
>>98906452>>98906390you're mistaking why I am asking.I don't want your permission, I want your opinions.
>>98906456My opinion is stop crying that your quirk chungus tribe is viable now.
>>98906382No, I think my favourite creature might just be Suture Priest, but there are sooo many candidates.
>>98906464they are not a tribe, they are unique entities, they are not supposed to be a tribe.
>>98906468>They aren't mean to beWell, the are. Accept it or don't. Either way, stop crying about it.
We posting favourite creatures?I love this little guy
>>989064796 isnt a tribe, that's exactly why cephalids got dropped.
>>98906486>He just keep crying.
>>98906485It should be reprinted so more people can enjoy it without its 30-40+ dollar price tag
>>98906497gobanon has provided.
>>98906498Not every wants to use proxies, and it being only a 5 dollar card would let more people enjoy it.
>>98905794Happy Halloween to you too Gobbro.
>>98905863Is there a commander who reliably brings these three together?
>>98905863There are plenty in the colors, but can't think of one that really helps the theme.
>>98906353I love me my mushroom man. Spooky art and on the table with how ridiculous his shrooms can get.
bros... I am sadI got rekt early in today's commander tourney. I had bad draws even after I mulligand to 5. First pod i didnt draw my 4th land and lost to a monoblack sephiroth who rekt me pretty fast.2nd pod i kept drawing lands and not enough removal to save my butt from a monoblue urza.No store credit today :(
>>98906523right about the time the first commander product was released proxying was a rarity and usually consisted of paper printouts tucked into a sleeve at best, names and costs written on paper and tucked in front of a card was pretty normal.But as the prominence of commander design foremost in MtG, and later UB continued to rise and has now basically become the sole twin faces of the product, proxying has exploded in lockstep, as wizards gets worse, proxies get better and more common.I'm pretty sure there will come a day, maybe even in the next decade, where wholesale proxying becomes not just common, but the norm for at least half the playerbase.Wizards has shown us that subject matter is no longer important from renamed alt printings like the godzilla and miku and MLP cards, to purely external stuff all on its own with the UB sets.Wizards has also shown that the aesthetic doesnt matter, every set now seems to get its own kind of special frame, secret lairs get special frames, full arts get varying special treatments.What all this means is that subjective aesthetic is now valid, and it wont take much for most players to realize there is no good reason for wotc to be the arbiter of what aesthetics they get to choose from, an individualized bespoke product printed on demand is just logical at this point.
>>98906551Maybe play a color combo that has better draw?
>>98906551Better luck next time anon. Some game nights just go bad and there's not much for it but to just play through those.
>>98906555I have draw engines like Idol of oblivion and pic related but i didnt draw them>>98906563Thanks anon, at least i managed to trade some fodder for a Gisela, blade of goldnight
>>98906485Meteor Golem will always be a favorite of mine. Always try to find a spot for him.
>>98906498He did? Mind posting it?
>>98906582There are multiple optionshttps://ibb co/album/2WB3djput the period in the url
>>98906554>Proxying explodes>Cost of real cards plummet. >Can buy to my hearts content before the bubble bursts and inverts once again.100 dollar mox diamonds vs 1000 dollars would be heaven. At least for the one I need before I just use my proxies anyway.>>98906551>>98906567Better luck next time, though think some impulse engines would probably be better than something like four knocks..>>98906582Here is the one I personally use.
>>98906589for secondary market purchases I would agree, i don't intend to replace my entire extant collection with proxies ever and yeah, it'd be nice to more cheaply finish off some old projects with "real" cards, but now and in the future anything new I build is custom printed.
I think we need to talk about how Vivi has been slowly creeping up the popularity ranks and is now sitting in the #6 spot right behind Krenko I hope they gc this thing soon because it is way too powerful and makes every game revolve around itself
>>98906589>100 dollar mox diamonds vs 1000 dollars would be heaven. At least for the one I need before I just use my proxies anyway.We already knew you had serve mental illness. Stop flaunting it.
>>98906587Love that Ninja Pizza reskin. Only kind of wish there was also one that worked in the ninja angle.
>>98906589>Better luck next time, though think some impulse engines would probably be better than something like four knocks..i do run pic related as well
>>98906589back when I ordered my custom elesh norn deck mpc's order sizes meant 8 extra cards could be picked for no extra or lower cost over the edh deck, so i got 8 mox diamonds done to give away to people i played with
>>98906616mpc autofill might have an option, they have hundreds of choices for some cards, its a bit of a lottery on style and frames though
>>98906606If wanting to own real cardboard, but protect its value while still having fun with proxies is mentally ill, than I'm mentally ill. it what it is. Regardless of its value, I like to own the card before I put a proxy of it into my decks.
>>98906626this is the one on autofillsome of the versions are a bit ugly, the extended frames or moving things around for bigger art or old frame for no reason. I usually prefer the ones by whoever does the cube set symbol because it makes it a little clearer that it's a proxy.
>>98906617Surely, you are running picrel
>>98906635Noice, love seeing staples done up like this.
>>98906635Why does she have shit between her tits
>>98906659Fertilizer?
>>98906661I repeat myself
>>98906664Its dirt anon.
HATE gobpedo
Uh bro, fertilizer has alot more than just dirt in it...
>>98906639>clearer that it's a proxy.The card back or the custom nature of the image should do that well enoughif the custom image doesn't communicate it, then that's a problem for wotc, not you.
>>98906672I work on a farm, fertilizer these days is salt nitrogen and granules of potassium or powdered copper, etc...the good old natural stinky has become rather niche.
>>98906648yes i do, but I never had the chance to draw her after so many matches
>>98906689Rip. She'd be so impactful.
>>98906689does she exiles two cards from the top if i attack two opponents?
>>98906702Yes. And even if she dies, you can still cast anything exiled by her if you fit the requirement.
>>98906587>Literally dozens of images of lolis being railed by BBCDon't know what I expected
my cards all got wet...
>>98906679yeah but there's that guy who posts "but you want your proxy to look as close to real cards as possible" every thread in response to something, so I'm just contradicting thread schizos wherever possbile.
>>98906485Get in the cage
>>98906715who did it better
>>98906710https://youtu.be/2R_ecr9-HmI
>>98906635Good seeing some general staples getting the gob treatment as well.
>>98905473I'm intent in making a star trek deck, but I would like to utilise all 4 non-black colours.What would a good commander be? (Presumably focusing on lands & spacecrafts)
>>98906485
>>98906710Holy fuck anon. Sorry to hear that. I'd try to keep them flat to dry out as best they could.
>>98906714I can see wanting to match say, the original card frame style without a line on the bottom saying "this is a proxy not for resale"Yeah if some dumbass mistakes my baral in an old frame for being a real card that's them having an education issue, I don;t want to ruin the aesthetic I'm going for with jarring disclaimers.I also wont put Wizards of the Coast (C) on the bottom either, just the artist credit.and I also don;t know anyone who is offering a 1:1 MtG card back in the official style, i like how mpc autofill has a few hundred choices, some of the ones I like best are the real magic style that instead says Proxy the Gathering or the real MtG style that just has no writing on it at all, only the frame, the oval, blue box and the five color pips, like so.There are many ways to make a card look nice but also not look like an attempt to pass off frauds on the secondary market, without using ugly disclaimer text announcements.
>>98906724>>98906650I'll keep trying to do more as I go along.
>>98906554>it's edh and UB's fault there are so many fakes running around!oh please, stop being so dramaticas technology progresses printing services just became more accessible to the public so making high quality fakes became economically feasible, that's all there is to it
>>98906751Fakes are cards being passed off as official wotc product, intended to scam the secondary market.Proxies are customs, not fakes. Like with what gobanon is doing and 3 anons in the last week or so have made physical print orders for, bespoke items intended for personal use, if anyone ever bought one of those it'd be pretty damn clear they were buying something unofficial and would be paying for the subjectively desirable aesthetic.
>>98906720Are you going to post a card?
>>98906748I haven't even received my order and I'm already starting a folder for the next so I can have options to swap in and out of the deck.
>>98906771What do his balls taste like?
>>98906781You should tell your therapist that you're asking yourself these questions.
>>98906771intent is irrelevant, trespassing magically doesn't become legal just because you pinky swear that you weren't going to be a peeping tom and steal anything; it really just becomes a matter of how much of a bother it would be for wotc to exercise their legal rights to defend their copyright and bring down usea and shitif you take offense over me telling the truth that proxies are fakes then you need to step back a bit from your favorite children's card game and get some perspective
why do oketra's warriors go from 1/1s to 4/4s when she reanimates them as zombies
>>98906794That version of Oketra is eternalized, isn't she? So the zombies she brings out are eternalized too.
>>98906788personal use parody is fair use you retarded armchair wannabe-lawyer retard.wotc also is on record saying they have no issue with proxies that are being used personally and not for secondary market fraud or tournament/event play, so you give more of a shit than the company does.but just keep on whining and bitching that titow goblin pinups are somehow an attempt to trick people into paying $1000 for a mox diamond, because the guy spending that money is totally going to believe the goblin titcow is the real deal official wizards card, absolutely.
>>98906794Do you know how strong humans are when their "mental barriers" don't exist? This is why retard strength is a thing.This is why when a person is struck by lightening they are flung great distances. Its not because the force of the lightening throws them, its because their muscles are forced to their limits and they literally jump that distance.When you are a mindless zombie, you have no mind to limit you potential.
>>98906456My opinion is that wizards is fucking terrible at creating an aesthetically coherent and satisfying game world that people can fall in love with. They suck at art, they suck at writing, and they outright refuse to give the fandom what they want while shamelessly pushing mechanics and creature typed and art that the design team favor. Magic has succeeded in spite of itself, not because of good design (outside of the rules). There's a reason why Magic has produced zero popular characters or stories that have penetrated into wider nerd consciousness or pop culture success while entire nerd franchises have emerged and boomed since 1993.I'm an angelsfag, so I and the tens of thousands of angels fans are well aware of how shit Wizards is at giving us what we want.
what star trek commanders are looking fun
>>98906605Vivi is the ultimate (doesn't rely on infinites to win) Izzet spellcaster. It's no surprise he's dominating. Rule 0ing he needs to tap to make the mana is widely accepted since this is exactly what they did in arena.
>>98906801as expected, you are a retardwotc has things like the mana and tap symbols copyrighted and *technically* they could exercise their legal rights, but ofc that would be far too difficult and impractical, so they relentbut make no mistake, they *technically can*and they do in fact make a definition of what a *real proxy* is, which are scribbles and strips of paper, notice that these do not include their copyrights, moron
>>98906801>personal use of copyrighted material is a-ok!you really don't know how disney and nintendo operate, do you?
>>98906815Theft is fun, but theft where you can actually make other people's creatures powerful with your own cards is even better. There was already an obscene amount of support for artifact creatures before Star Trek and the set itself is stuffed to the brim with even more.
>>98906794>>98906800>>98906802I made something stupid.
>>98906818Lol, you were complaining just the other day how gobanon doesn't use the official symbols.You also didn't highlight the sentence after that where it say that playtest cards are also defined as something that wouldn't pass as the real thing under even a cursory examination.Or the next part after that that wotc put in BOLD font saying they have no desire to police things people use for personal non-commercial contexts even if that is in a gaming store.Nice cherrypicking though!
>>98906818>Most commonly.>They then go on to perfectly the proxies posted here>Then go on to blatantly state they have no desire in policing the use of play test cards (see proxies) for personal, non-commercial useWhat were you trying to prove with this? How to shoot your own argument in the foot?
>>98906828>Lol, you were complaining just the other day how gobanon doesn't use the official symbols.that wasn't me retard, i actually like gobanon>You also didn't highlight the sentence after that where it say that playtest cards are also defined as something that wouldn't pass as the real thing under even a cursory examination.the danger of that becomes 'ok how close to the original can we get before we can sued for making fakes' and corpos have contingenies on that>Or the next part after that that wotc put in BOLD font saying they have no desire to police things people use for personal non-commercial contexts even if that is in a gaming store.again, it's their decision to *not* exercise their legal rights, you're the only one here that can't accept that they have them in the first placefunny thing is gobanon would be perfectly fine in being told that his proxies are fakes, because that's just what they are, really.i can buy fake nike air jordans from sellers that openly tell me they're fake, that doesn't mean they're *proxies* of air jordans, they're still fakesonly in the tcg space do retards fail to have perspective on things lol
>>98906817>Rule 0ing he needs to tap to make the mana is widely accepted since this is exactly what they did in arena.Huh?I have Arena open right now and there isn't anything like that happening to Vivi...
>>98906835>>98906837I fear I may have misread something. I apologize.
>>98906835>i have a shotgun, but i have no desire to use it for hunting, only self defense>wotc has legal rights, but they have no desire to use it against people using fakes for personal usethey're the same, you just can't understand it
>never seen the lotr films>currently reading through it>get up to the part where arwen is introduced>because of magic i now know that aragorn (who is still called strider at this point) and her get marriedwtf maro
>>98906837>i actually like gobanonwhy lie
>>98906837If WotC did care to try exercising lawfare in this matter, other companies in the /tg/ space have done the same thing with a lot of money and set precedent by their failure in the attempt.Notably Games Workshop and Chapter House, and the 3D printing community now has legal protection to make and sell a lot of things GW would really like to prohibit, but they've had their legal teeth pulled over the attempt.WotC made this statement well after the Chapter House precedent, they know better than to try going after proxies legally, it would erode their fanbase support with ill-will.But go on, continue talking for a big corporation that's already stated they disagree with you, keep playing lawyer when you have no degree, much less have passed the bar.
>>98906851Imagine reading the books before seeing the movies and complaining books spoiled the movies.
>>98906851The books are 75ish years old, you're a little late to be complaining about spoilers.
>>98906857No I'm saying MTG spoiled that bit and Maro will pay
>>98906859The statute of spoilers runs out when I, personally, have finished reading the work
>>98906827actually why aren't there nate and nora cards imo
>>98906864he drops the ring in the volcano and sauron dies forever
>>98906856>ok fine wotc does have the right to pursue legal action!>but they'll lose! Ha take that!Where did i say they have a good chance to win? r/whoosh energy right here
>it's you frodo!>you're The Lord of the Rings>that's right Merry, and you are all my Fellowship of the Ringkino just kino
>>98906864snake kills dumbledore
>>98906876I didn't get why Snape loved Lily all that time, she cucked him with his bully
>>98906874gee thanks captain obvious, you also have the right to sue anyone you like for damages because of how retarded you are, doesn't mean you're going to win.
>First we Star>Then we Trek
>that's right chandra>we've come back>we have made our Return to Ravnica
>>98906879I've been in love with someone for the past 20 years, I haven't even seen her in 15, so I do understand. It's called omega simpitis.
>>98906882>yeah thanks captain obvious>also please dont call my proxies fakes it hurts my wittle feewings!
>>98906889I've been in love with Flying Bolt since she first strangled me
>>98906864When gandalf dies and everyone gets super sad about it? gandalf comes back but whiter.Boromir dies too, but forever dies.Aragorn becomes king of gondorSamwise Gamgee is the true hero of the entire series.
>Oh hey Ugin, so about last night->It's gay, Bolas.
>>98906895william NO you have sersh and okatsu
>>98906901It's OK, Bolt is in 2 with Hiddy so Sir Anjin can still fuck his fairy
are there any fun commanders that are skellies that won't make people miserable like tinybones?
>>98906926No
>>98906926Wotc seem to honestly hate skeletons.
>>98906930Skeletons are too spookt for china
>>98906931Is MTG even big in china? >Google it>Niche, greatly over shadowed by pokemon and yugiohDon't think that's it.
>>98906936万智牌 (Wàn zhì pái) will have a resurgence once wotc gets the genshin impact UB collab
>>98906945Forgot the 万智牌
>>98906926no
>>98906485Kona is a good girl.
>>98906587who is this character even and why does she appear so much
>>98906587>Overgrown TombFuuuuuck.
>>98906976Grimma, her name is right in the filename.
Thinking of making a Mono Green list, here are my initial picks:Freyalise - pretty standard elf ball but a planeswalker commander looks neatNissa Resurgent Animist - i like thar i can go for Elementals, maybe do some earthbend shenanigans too?Selvala - Big Stompy Can these guys hang in high Bracket 3?
>>98907030the border to bracket 4 is not about commanders (outside of busto commanders like winota) it's about overall deck strength
What do you think, worth running in doppelgang decks?
>>98906353
>B1-3Green is very clearly pushed beyond reason.>B4-5Other colors actually get to do cool shit.The whole format is just Ramping into Goodstuff value piles.
>>98907061The best ramp cards are colorless though.
>>98907057Not a General, but it's spooky
>>98907065the ramp spells with the least way of interacting with them in the bracket are green though
>>98905473>tqwell I got a leyline of anticipation tonight so thats kind of like trick or treathow did everyone do at their All Leyline's Eve chaos draft? what packs did you pick? I picked The Hobbit, Reality Fracture and Lorwyn Eclipsed >>98905233this has been debunked. foil magic cards look dope AF>>98905446yes the big influence including LOTR & DnD is why LOTR, the Hobbit and then other similar divergent high fantasy with similar influences (like Final Fantasy) work so well in UB. its all either source material or like spiritual cousins of high fantasy. >>98905478classic card but how could you not link the original image instead of the MODO version? (pic rel)happy ALL SAINTS DAY now
