Karujin edition>Previously in the Mortal Realms:>>98886226>Official AoS website:https://www.ageofsigmar.com>Downloads, Rules Errata, and FAQs:https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/>Toolshttps://runebrush.pa-sy.com/warscroll/https://lordbaconbane.github.io/aoswarscrollcreator/>4e Booksgofile.io/d/KAQe7n7f>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator (old):https://aosg.github.io/https://sigdex.io/>Thread question:If could add a new human faction to the game, what would they look like and which GA would they belong to?
>>98894474Damn look at that Darkoath lad
>>98894474I don't like him. I want him to look sillier and more fantastical. His hat isn't nearly implausible enough.
>>98894474>the people at gw are using aos to make nippon because they're not allowed to make it in towlmao
>>98894498You're behind on the rumours my man, the maps are staying.Speaking of, back me up confirmed today no models are getting squatted. Also, the wizard cogfort apparently has a named and generic build. The other EoE characters seem to be all named.(Which by the way why introduce a bunch of characters right before a 1000 year timeskip lol)
>>98894481It would track that Warcry introduces a random unit that doesn't mesh with the army ngl but it'll be Spearhead nowadays given Warcry is dead >ayo hol up what's up with the samurai monk vampires? Warcry >bamboo swamp marauders in the knights + rural paganism army? Warcry >monkeys in X army? Warcry
>>98894544Dawnbringers was all named characters, half could just be named in regiments of renown
>>98894514>people think the karujin are human, or chaos>they're actually just the chaff of the not!kureshi snakemen
The new face of eternity
We need a new ice army now that BCR are being ignored. Will probably be squatted so they can go to TOW with the other old models.Also BCR were never really proper ice models anyway.
>>98894544>Which by the way why introduce a bunch of characters right before a 1000 year timeskip lolbecause the vast majority of characters belong to a race of practical immortals or have access to an elixir of immortality or a one-off deus ex machina to ride the timeskip unscathed
>>98894573HOLY KEK they're definitely squatting annihilators
>>98894573>completely new account>AI looking shittoo obvious
>>98894582>plastic hunters + yhetees >Mournfang refresh >BCR tyrant based retard
>>98894582Ogres got new bcr themed units and a specific tyrant build this edition anon. They're not going anywhere
>>98894594it's exactly like alex boyd art though
Haven't posted here in a while. QRD on leaks are they still doing the merge the realms, kill sigmar with archy and make humans grimdark like 40K thing?
>>98894601no, it isn't alex boyd makes arms small on all marines and not!marines
>>98894608Yes
>>98894596>>98894598>old models gone>no ice theme at all on the new ones to fit in with normal ogres. Yeah point stands. Stonehorn will go eventually. They already have another big monster now.
>>98894615>ice themeSo paint them white? BCR never had an ice theme outside of Yhetees, Hunters, and Sabres. We got new Hunters, Sabres, and the Mournfang replacement are explicitly Hunters rather than Ironguts on a mount
>>98894596>yheteesDid you mean gorgers? Yhetees are gone.
>>98894625frost sabres surely
>>98894622If the new beasts had wool and fur like these guys we wouldn't be having this discussion bald as they are they look bad in a snowy paint scheme
my lgs discord banned the last world discussion kek why are some people so hostile to it?
>>98894622They did but it was lazily done because they just bolted it onto an existing range.I just want a new ice army.>>98894629>frost sabres surelyBut they're tigers now. Don't @ me about SIberian tigers.
>>98894633Don't want to give some groups of people the chance at Schadenfreude
>>98894635
>>98894633if I had to guess, the lgs owner doesn't like doomsaying because uncertainty about the stability of model ranges and rules might hurt his sales, especially ahead of winter shopping.while the few loud retards who cry and moan about this being the end are mentally ill faggots who have made 'defending' aos part of their identity, any discussion about aos getting changed an accusation of, thus personal, flaws, and by extention also lumped all the people who enact these changes or are even vaguely in support of them together with all other people who they deem opposite to their identity.and these latter faggots inevitably drag any forum into a whirlpool of drama by virtue of being terminally online and compulsively replying to anything and everything.
>>98894645At least use AoS as an actual reference instead of WFB where they were something completely different.
>>98894668Also you might note that they're no longer called Frost sabres.
>>98894668>completely different.you either have issues with your eyes or with your brains
>>98894633On TGA they've banned discussion of it in the AoS rumour thread too. You have to use the dedicated TLW rumour thread even though they'll combine them after the eventual reveal of authenticity, because it's just 5th edition just as 4th edition wasn't called Skaventide
>>98894671Yeah and it's Ogors not Ogres which are completely different too.
>>98894673The BCR everwinter frost theme was bolted onto the ogre range. Lorewise they're completely different things. We're just arguing past each other and it's tiresome. >>98894679I merely refuse to use slave names.
>>98894682>The BCR everwinter frost theme was bolted onto the ogre rangeIt just so happens that the ogre range already had ice-age themed monsters, and ice-powered creatures, and artworks depicting their snowy environments well before aos.Complete accident, totally bolted on top at random, unlike Malaysia and fyreslayers.
>>98894608>merge the realmsYes, see picrel>kill sigmarSort of, it's apparently an unreliable narrator kind of thing. Siggy and archy have a big fight, unknown outcome. Sigmar believers say he ascended to proper god god status, chaos believers say he got btfo by archaon. probably all setup for a sigmar model in 6th>make humans grimdarkBit up in the air atm. Seems like there will be different cultures, some of which are more chill with other races, some seem to go the 40k muh xenos route.
>>98894693Yeah, they had hunters, sabretusks, yhetis, and thundertusks Now they only have hunters, raiders, tyrants, sabrefangs, and thundertusks
>>98894615>no ice theme>I do think the stonehorn will eventually go, but they'll probably do another big monster in its place
>>98894705do you think rhinoxen are unrelated to the ice-age theme? what mournfangs? do you think they have no root in anything related to the ice age? what do you think about the land of the ogre kingdoms? I'm sure it's never depicted as a cold and snowy environment, yea?
>>98894714Whatever is going to happen it's not going to be now, nor the next battletome.
>>98894714I think that's 100% guaranteed. 1 kit with six builds is pure Fantasy holdover that GW has been getting rid of very consistently
>>98894726In other words not a single ice themed mini will be left.I rest my case.
>>98894725a RoR box that's just two of the kit screams "not long for this world" to me
>>98894726>1 kit with six buildsit was made with only 2 builds in mind, the other 4 were just early aos getting inconsistently creative in its attempt to sell battletomes for a handful of kits.
>>98894726>
You guys know stonehorns were never ice themed in WFB, right? When the mounted units were released in 8e the new units were all painted desert themed
>>98894745That's three, which is half of six.
>>98894732The new hunters are very clearly ice themed. By extension so is the hunter cav, and let's not forget the bcr-themed build option for the tyrant. >>98894751>auric runesmiter>auric runeson>auric runefather>auric runesmiter on magmadroth>auric runeson on magmadroth>auric runefather on magmadroth
>>98894750Yeah only thundertusks and yhetees were but they're right that the ice theme didn't come completely out of left field I suppose.
>>98894738the thing is the screaming might last for a very long while still
Mournfang were the same. Only the thunder tusk was painted in winter themes. The hunters, frost savers, yhetees and mammoth are all outcasts that live at the edges of society and aren't representative of most of the future beastclaw range.
>>98894582BCR are still winter themed army and their new units have winter themed rules (ex. Hunters with through the frosts). If you want more frost units, bet on BCR. There is no other chance
Here's a wide shot, mournfang and stonehorns were never ice themed.
Seems pretty clear to me that they're aiming for multiple subcultures in ogres going forward anyway.Aside from the basic gutbuster side there's the religious cult mawseeker guys, the living off the land ranger beastclaw guys, and the more cosmopolitan and gunpowder loving maneaters.
>>98894766But that's a thundertusk. Was he ever not shooting ice?
>>98894750>desert themedNo, it wasn't a desert theme, it was the stock standard basing scheme of brown dirt with some green flock that all armies used at the time.
>>98894776It was a steppe theme because that's the army. Turns out mongolia also has big ass snowy mountains though, which is where yhetees come from.
>>98894762>these are not ice-age monsters because they're not walking on snow at the momentwoah, brave
>>98894732Depends on what we get in return. Guessing is not a strong final argument
>>98894786>It was a steppe themeAgain, it was the stock standard basing theme, for fuck's sake, take your head out of your ass.
>guys, the chaos war mammoth was never snowy themed, look, it's actually themed around the white void outside of reality, it has nothing to do with the cold north actually
>>98894790Clearly they're downplaying the frost theme so they can fit in with the normal ogres. If they updated the thundertusk it would be similarly neutral.Anyway I don't even care about this argument, I just want ice armies. Guess Kislev's my best bet.
>>98894803>Guess Kislev's my best bet.your only bet
>>98894774>>98894762As mentioned here, thunder tusk was always painted with an arctic scheme>>98894776The paintjobs themselves are also w conscious decision. Yhetees and the TT are painted snow white. The rest of the army is not. >>98894788Hey, why don't you try thinking about this for two seconds: it's not just the basing, it's the entire rest of the book that goes at length to describe how only a few members of the army are frost themed and therefore exceptions , and the rest of the army including the SH and MF and Rhinox are all NOT described as such.
>>98894573Not going to believe this yet, but it's not a bad design, just gotta change the proportions a bit.
>>98894817>The paintjobs themselves are also w conscious decision.No, they aren't, sabertooths and rhinoxes never needed to be painted white to be distinctly ice-age beasts.Mournfangs don't suddenly stop being oversized mounted sabertooth creatures just because they're not painted white.
A third snowy unit has been found!
>>98894817If so then painting the alt tyrant in white and blue was also a telling move
>>98894817>the entire rest of the bookYou mean the one with plenty of artworks that put everyone else in snowy environments too? Which is an army that since its inception has had the ice age as overt inspiration for its creatures and even culture, as ogres are shown making cavemen arts?
>>98894827I realize sometimes you can't read everything as you scroll down in an image board so I will reiterate that it is not just one thing, it is the rules, the fluff, AND the paintjobs all which specify which creatures are and are not frost themed. Some units were mentioned specifically as being outcasts that live in the upper, cold reaches of the mountain and when that is the case the book mentions it repeatedly. Stonehorns and mournfang were not included in that subset. They were only later given a frost theme.
>>98894801Norsca are entirely ice themed hence the fur cloaks and fluff about being Norwegian vikings
>>98894837I did not say they melt on contact with snow, tyrants are specifically described as carrying rhinoxes up the mountain (where they do not live) and back down (where they do live) as part of their weight training in adolescence. I SAID that they were not always frost themed, they are part of the army that lives on the non-frozen steppes with the rest of the army.
>>98894573nagash stormcast :)
>>98894594>>completely new accountthis new guy, reformation, big yahoo, and whatever the skaven leaker was called, are all alt accounts of boole so he plausibly deny he's leaking the shit himself, if he somehow got that account linked to the boole one.Or just because he's a retarded drama queer.
>>98894838>the rules, the fluff, AND the paintjobs all which specify which creatures are and are not frost themedno, they don't, they're all ice-age monsters, they're all ice themed.they don't stop being ice age monsters just because they're not painted white, they don't stop being ice age monsters just because they don't have magic ice in some special rule, they don't stop being ice age monsters if their bestiary page doesn't include the word ice, frost, or snow somewhere.being an ice age monster is sufficient to make them ice themed, and that's what they are.stop tripping over your schizophrenic takes.
I never imagined my innocuous post about ice armies would trigger such a big autism spiral.
>>98894880we should get ice themed orcs back too
So this is the bingo anon again, isn't it?
This guy was much cooler than the new one imo.I hate this new strict optionless one product per warscroll approach(RIP BoK)
>>98894903They had kingdom holds in mountains, it's not like they were elementally blessed by winter gods or something.
>>98894912I don't even know what we're arguing anymore. It seems anon thinks we think ogres never came into contact with snow or something.
>>98894906>one product per warscroll approachmost of that could have been easily circumvented by expanding the types of generic heroes the army has or turning some of the generic options into special charactersbut judging by how many khorne and slayer characters have been removed even when they had their own exclusive warscroll, this has nothing to do with some policy about simple correlation between model and rules and everything to do with sales projections regarding the model range and the desire to have only a certain number of character models to which sales are funneled to, instead of spreading those sales across a larger selection or products.
>>98894912>>98894916Because they were snow themed.You don't need to be elementally blessed by winter gods to be snow themed.
>>98894921But they weren't. They lived in the steppes and sometimes got creatures from the not!himalayas.
>>98894921I am the one who is doing the long form references to their origins but I am not the only anon who is making this point. The Stonehorn and Mournfang ARE paleolithic creatures. They are NOT frost monsters in the sense that they are not supernatural creatures who have frost monsters. The overall point that I am making is that the large monster units of the ogor army were not always, and do not always, need to be linked to cold weather, the Everwinter, or ice magic. They were for the majority of AoS, yes, but they existed WITHOUT that for some time before and can do so again
>>98894933>supernatural creatures who have frost powers Typo
>>98894928>But they weren't.Yes, they were, because they're ice-age ogres with ice-age monsters living in the ice-age mountains.Steppes my fucking ass, those were obliterated by the great maw, that's why they invaded the mountains.
>>98894921Yetis are actually blessed Ogres in WHF, but Ogres just happen to come from mountains - passing through them to the lands of WHF armies. They come from around Cathay, a fertile Mongol steppe. They definitely have an ice age theme but it's only the Hunter who's an exceptionally grounded figure, so nu-Ogres are more ice themed given BCR is all winter coded now tbhon
>>98894933>They are NOT frost monsters in the sense that they are not supernatural creatures who have frost monsters.They don't need to have supernatural frost powers to be ice age monsters, and that's enough to make them intrinsically linked to a cold theme.
>>98894941Ogres were just passing through they literally can't stay in the mountains, that's their only fluff
>>98894903Probably. Son’s got the ‘Tism something fierce.
>>98894474>KarujinI didn't clock that because of the whole poles and dark elves ****** yesterday. Holy ****** that is so bad. If Kaurjin is supposed to be china and Hanzor really is the japan analog than words do not do justice to how absolutely ****** that is.The evil Karujin need to be held back and only the noble Hanzor samurai can lay the barbarians low. Did they just fire all the people they had when doing Cathay when they wrote this? Its so ****** yikes, it's unreal.
>>98894941>Smilodon lived during the Pleistocene epoch (2.5 mya–10,000 years ago), and was perhaps the most recent of the saber-toothed cats.[26] S. fatalis lived in a variety of habitats, being able to inhabit open grassland and parkland,[114][115] marginal woodland-grassland settings,[116] and closed forests.[117] Fossils of the genus have been found throughout the Americas.Anon please cease these foolish posts.
>>98894959>They definitely have an ice age theme but it's only the Hunterand the rhinox, and the sabertusks, and the thundertusk, and the mournfangs, and the cave paintings of their culture, and so on and on.
>>98894966>Ogres were just passing throughThey are called the ogre kingdoms because they fucking live there and have lived there for thousands of years.
>>98894984Ogres using sky titan cannons means they're sky titans? They just use shit, the Hunter and Yetis are explicitly coded but Ogre Kingdoms could've gotten a Glutthorn eventually as their progress through the wastes deepens. Their culture is maleable hence Firebellies. They're migratory Huns
>>98894981Dredging up factoids about ice age animals that inspire age monster monsters does fuck all to dispel the association between ice age monsters and the cold of a goddamn ice age.
>>98894895Confirmed ice age monsters.
>>98894895Fuck yeah. Icebone were rad.
ogres aren't ice themed anymore anyway
>>98894993>They just use shitand they predominantly use ice age shit, making them ice age themed>They're migratory Hunsno they just use a few fu manchu moustaches, and sometimes migrate, that doesn't make them migratory huns :^)
>>98894823Looks to 40k to me. Has a weird chromey shine to it.Think it's fake in any case
>>98894993>Ogre Kingdoms could've gotten a Glutthorn eventuallySure, a wolly one
>>98894823are we supposed to believe this is real?
>>98895007Might be less pronounced than before, but GW's secondary showcase scheme is the Winterbite one, so at least the studio painters are sticking with it.
>>98895008>predominantly use ice age shitSince 8th edition, arguably not even
>>98895007mphmr anmphrt yhn tmphm anymphm anmphmn
>>98894979Is this a bit where you pretend to be a TGA poster?>>98894981Nta but sabretooths are linked to the ice age in the public conscience, which is all that matters.
>>98895024>I wear a scarf sometimes in December therefore I am cursed to wander forever lest the Everwinter freeze even my soul I do miss proper BCR bros We were supposed to get Braggoth...
>THEY'RE LITERALLY SNOWMEN BRO
>>98895021cavemen confirmed for not being ice age themed because they didn't have a mammoth to ride each
BCR wave 2 should have leaned into the ice theme the old models didn't have beyond painting weapons blue and fur white. It's obviously a gutted theme now. Just look at >>98895007Anyway I'll give this this thread one thing, it made me look at the ogre range and appreciate them more.
>>98895072kislev for TOW will offer replacement mounts at least
>>98895076What's the current status for that anyway?Are they going to be total war style ICE ICE BEAR BEAR ICE BEAR ICE BEAR BEAR kislev, or whfb basically slav empire with a bear here and there and little to no ice kislev?I don't keep up with tow rumours.
>>98895125there's little to no rumor about them other than they're coming, but most probably only later next yeareveryone assumes they're just going to be the total war versionI assume that the vast majority of the people asking for a more historically inspired kislev are either going to be complete sheep and completely change their minds about the total war designs the moment they see them painted in more muted tones without ice bits, or were going to be inimically opposed to whatever gw would have cooked up anyway regardless of how accurate to old or historical designs they arein any case the sooner they come out the sooner we can leave them behind and focus on the factions that really matter
I know this isn't the right thread but like, GW "coming back" to WHFB but then instead of it being basically 6th ed again, making Cathay such a prominent part of it, and probably next Kislev too.It baffles me when they could have just done not-Cathay and not-Kislev in AoS instead and left tOW as a time capsule.
>>98895125>What's the current status for that anyway?Everyone assumes GW had planned to launch Kislev within the first couple of years, but that obviously hasn't happened. And the reason for that is presumed to be because of the ongoing Russo-Ukrainian war.The updated core rulebook published earlier this year notably changed some terminology to deemphasize the inspiration from Tsarist Russia. So if we're reading the tealeaves then if and when Kislev eventually makes its proper debut in TOW, it will have been slightly retooled from how it was originally intended to be.
>>98895175total war made a lot of money
Noob from last thread here that thinks about getting into AoS with the Slaves to Darkness box. I am (very roughly) planning on how to fill out to 2000pts with Abraxia as the general. After some recommendations I have this:Slaves to Darkness - Slaves to Darkness 2000pts - [1830 pts]Abraxia, Spear of the Everchosen [230 pts]Chaos Lord on Daemonic Mount [130 pts]Darkoath Fellriders [130 pts]:• 5x Darkoath FellriderVaranguard [580 pts]Chaos Sorcerer Lord [120 pts]Chaos Warriors (Scourge of Aqshy) [400 pts]:• 20x Chaos WarriorChaos Knights [240 pts]:• 5x Chaos KnightsThat leaves me with 170 points, no enhancements yet, or whatever they are called. What should I fill out the list with or change? Not looking for something super competetive
>>98895175Time capsules don't make a whole lot of money at the end of the day. I don't know where this came from originally, but there's an adage floating around that claims gw makes 80% of their money on a kit from its initial release window. Also kislev and cathay are way too on the nose "country x but a fantasy" for aos. Maybe with tlw that'll be different, but as it stands aos by and large doesn't really do that. Maybe seraphon and they get away with it because they're lizards.
>>98895178>war in ukraine really? do people actually care about russian-inspired figs that were established in the setting decades ago? I refuse to believe GW believes this is the case.
>>98895194They consulted a "Chinese Sensitivity Team" for Cathay lol, it's just as likely with Kislev that they have someone thinking about these things now.Meanwhile nobody complains when the leader of the French faction is called "le Wanker"
>>98895175>It baffles me when they could have just done not-Cathay and not-Kislev in AoS instead and left tOW as a time capsule.They went back and forth. At the initial announcement of TOW, they said Cathay and Kislev would be launch factions. Then they did market research and pulled WAY back, removed all mention of Cathay and Kislev and announced only like 6 core factions for TOW. Then TOW ended up being way more popular than they thought so they've added Cathay, and Kislev will probably come down the line.
>>98895194The truth might be something completely different, but GW hasn't given a lot of information to go on. People reach for any explanation that at least sounds plausible to them.
>>98895194UK government is trying to gaslight their citizens into thinking the ruskies are gonna attack any day now so I’d say the anti rus brainrot is strong enough over there to delay and alter Kislev
>>98895175GW can accommodate it nowadays and IP is increasingly important to them. WHF is their second highest performing IP whereas AoS has only generated flops, so there's a need to cement it. GW probably want to squash competition too.
>>98895175I don't think you understand how much money Total War Warhammer has made
I'm tempted to CONSOOM the new StD battleforce but I know it's gonna be some ridiculous price like last year or worse.These used to be 200 USD but it's really gotten bad on a consistent trajectory.Does anyone own the chaos lord on daemonic steed or karkadrak? The StD cav has been growing on me and I think a single character purchase off amazon or something will sate me.
I think weve explored this enough to the point we're talking past each other. Some of us are saying most ogre stuff, specifically Stonehorn, can exist without being ice elemental aligned. Other people (who are missing my point but perhaps making one of their own) are insisting that they are paleolithic themed and therefore automatically 'ice monsters'.>>98894978I'm NMM/shrek anon, not bingo anon, and I don't have autism, I'm just old enough to start feeling the effects of grogification.
Link to new arkonaut episode (second)?
>>98895362Yeah they're technically still savings but goddamn is it not exciting to get a box for the current prices. They used to be the price of a spearhead ffs.
>>98895387looking at it objectively, you can't convince an adult that isn't immersed in the hobby to spend 250 USD on a box of tiny plastic figures that you need to build, paint, and varnish yourself. We've been desensitized to it to a certain extent.
>>98892698>Honest Wargamer just said the survival of the whole Nighthaunt range is in question for 5th edition>it's trueKek why is he so retarded, isn't knowing about this game kind of his job?
>>98895386I second this
>>98895419I really don't want to have to panic buy the few ghosts I'm missing...
>>98895419his job is making videos about it, not knowing about it, all he has to do is stroke his own random ramblings for a dozen of minutes and get money.
>>98895386https://gofile.io/d/UVcCYDUPhttps://gofile.io/d/K3muQlof
>>98895184Hi, same anon from last thread here. You actually have a little less than that many points, believe it or not - check out the Banners and Brands of chaos. Some of them cost a couple of points (10 IIRC, some are free). Double check that, there's a bunch of good options, but common is Banner of Apoplexy on something. Anyway, some options would be a foot hero with Dark Radiance enhancement, a monster that you like the look of like Sphiranx, Fomorid, another fast unit, or the Darkoath Wilderfiend. The wilderfiend is REALLY REALLY good for it's points cost, with a strong offensive profile and some mortal wounds to trigger Blazing Onslaught. It's a Beast (keyword) so it can't contest objectives well, but it's a beast (offensively) so it doesn't matter. I personally think it's great looking mini and a lot of people agree, but some don't.
>>98895419The reason the guy said it was because, "Oh the sacrosanct chamber got squatted. These guys are from the same release; ergo, they are also in danger!" Which is retarded, the only reason that chamber was done away with. Is because the inherent design for storm cast had changed drastically. I swear, people throw out squatted without using their brains.
>>98895448>the inherent design for storm cast had changed drastically.and because their range would be too bloated and redundant if stormcasts kept all the shit they getit nighthaunts get something done to them is less of a sacrosanct situation and more of a fyreslayer situation but for now nighthaunts sell enough and death isn't too bloated yet, but these things might change in an edition or two
>>98895461exactly. Plus, even grogs can see nighthaunt as a lovely range, it needs expansion. Which GW has been doing bit by bit, which is far more than fyreslayers ever got(rip)
>>98895490>Plus, even grogs can see nighthaunt as a lovely rangeNo we dont, nighthaunt are fucking stupid
>>98895387>They used to be the price of a spearhead ffs.They never were.
>>98895433Thanks King!
>>98895495They were... but I'm being slightly creative by not applying the 3rd party discount to spearheads while applying it to battleforces.
>>98895426They're in 0 danger, the "honest" wargamer just has no clue what he's talking about as per usual.>>98895448>>98895461Right exactly, sacrosanct got sent to the farm upstate because by the time 4th edition rolled around they had solidly decided on thunderstrike as the new go-to. Unlike marines stormcast don't have an endless amount of piggies, so they can't justify a whole extra edition launch of new miniatures just taking up space every 3 years.
>>98895563>They're in 0 dangerthe danger is low, but never zero
Sadly grand alliance death won't exist anymore in 5th edition.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/nla2w7td/big-warhammer-day-news-for-officially-licensed-video-games-and-merch/Parasite engine bros, we stay winning
Could someone choose a random spearhead for me to get I can't decideMy fate is in your hands
>>98895601fyreslayerscheckem
>>98895584No idea if it'll be good or if I'll even play it, but based on the trailers I'll admit the visual & audio presentation is looking pretty rad.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQIB6-vYHbs
>>98895601The new dogshit seraphon oneEnjoy your skinks!
>>98895609>finally play as bad guy>fight other bad guys
>>98895601New sylvaneth
>>98895609
>>98895676It's like they're ashamed of the game being set in the age of sigmar so they focus on the skaven as much as possible because everyone loves skaven.
>>98895601Old fec if you can find it, gitmob if you can't
>>98895694>It's like they're ashamed of the game being set in the age of sigmarAs anyone with taste would be
So like, what are we thinking about this Last World?If it's true, well the "Old World" got background stuff like Cathay dragged in, and the usual nuGW "big plastic kits", to make it new and exciting and arguably quite different from the End Times of WHFB.So... they're going to make AoS a world but also add not-Cathay and not-Nippon?The latter would all make much more sense if they weren't colouring our memories of WHFB with a similar type of new stuff and seems really odd.Are they moving to like a more From Software kind of vibe do you think?
>>98895699Having stormies to kill would be a selling point even to people who don't like the age of sigmar.
>>98895709>So like, what are we thinking about this Last World?Anythings better than the retarded realms they have now
>>98895709It's true, but the background stuff they're adding in the rulebook to pretend this world has more than just empty width will stay background stuff like all the other background stuff that aos got over the years that remained background stuff only.Unless aos is successful enough that gw starts dredging these factions up like they've dredged up cathay for tow.For now the end result of the last world will be practically nothing other than a façade of freshness and redemption in the eyes of people who had never actually read anything about aos.
>>98895709I'm looking forward to it, but I heard the announcement will be overshadowed by the bubble crash and Christ's third coming.
>>98895699Shoo shoo back to twg. Talk some more about how your biggest sloptuber is a nonce or whatever
>>98895779Technically he's also the biggest aos sloptuber too by virtue of there not being many if any around.
>>98895779Why? I play AoS and enjoy it, as opposed to you who has no models and hasnt played a game.I just think the lores fucking stupid, because it is
Because my thinking is like, this is convergent evolution>OG WHFB, covering everything from Lustria and the End Times to Shadows Over Bögenhafen and Mordheim>got blown up for AoS, which even the most ardent hater (me) would say fair enough it's mostly its own thing now after birthing painsTo now, maybe:>Warhammer The Old World wears the flesh of the OG but has outside input from the success of Total War and a philosophy change from GW, to me rendering it quite unrecognisable, the way people talk about it is quite different to OG>AoS the Last World reverts AoS to a more grounded settingIt almost begs the question of like, why not just have one world again with a "skirmish" round-base game and a rank-and-file game?Like it's interesting now seeing Darkoath in AoS and new Marauders in TOW and it's like GW is competing with itself. Never mind these "Kingdoms of Lorenna" and a reborn Bretonnia.
>>98895790Nah that still goes to panc and 2+ tough.
>>98895795>I just think the lores fucking stupid, because it ismaybe you're dumb.
>>98895823It is absolutely competing with itself right now, but this is also groundwork to not compete with itself anymore in the future, but rather enrich both settings.For example one day these extra not!kislev and not!bretonnia background elements may be used as excuse to suggest to hobbyists to use fantasy models of bretonnia and kislev in aos, and maybe get pseudo-official rules for cross-compatibility like tow has legacy rules for armies that are now only in aos.On the other hand TOW is unlikely to ever touch nippon and kuresh, but now it's perfectly possible that those regions might get explored via proxy by having aos do a range for these new snake-worshippers and samurai factions.
GUYS GITZ ARE FIXED NOW! No one is allowed to bitch anymore.
>>98895857Id rather not see bretonians shit smeared peasants and their tasteless knights on my table. Also stuff like knight formations will just never see the light of of day in aos, for better or worse.
>>98895823This is all well and good for factions like ogres or skaven and lizardmen, but then the question is what happens to idoneth, stormcast, nighthaunt, kislev, cathay, etc.Honestly I think the overlap between aos and tow players isn't THAT big. And if tow players buy aos sculpts or vice versa from time to time, it's not that big of an issue really.The only thing that's really retarded is making these huge centrepiece units like the chaos dragon with separate models for each system. That's just a waste.
>>98895890>Honestly I think the overlap between aos and tow players isn't THAT big.You're wrong
>>98895907Eh in my personal experience the two communities are relatively separate locally. Not totally of course, but still.
>>98895949I'd also say TOW and TW have different communities to "Oldhammer" and "Middlehammer" too
>>98896036If there ever was an oldhammer community in my area tow killed it. Though to be fair I've heard they're alive and well in spain and the like
>>98896088>If there ever was an oldhammer community in my area tow killed it.That's not how grogmunities work.
>>98894823I hate those fucking retarded helmets. I understand what they are going for, but my god it looks so lame. Why can't they do the "death mask" for a hero or a named character. Just give the rank and file units some cool knight helmet.How they are on their third redesign, and they keep changing parts of the armor that were completely fine, but they leave the handsome squidward helmetsMaybe I just don't get it because I am a chaosfag
>>98896167That pic is in all likelihood fake. Every other time some rando started posted pics boole usually jumps out of the woodwork to confirm them (giving away that they're probably his alts lol)That being said the helmet is the least bad aspect of this """leak"""I'm sorry but I've yet to see a stormcast conversion with a normal knightly helmet that didn't look like complete ass.
>>98896167>Maybe I just don't get it because I am a chaosfag50% this, 50% brand identity.stormcasts are, ideally, a mirror to chaos warriors, and chaos warriors derive part of their atmosphere from their dehumanising helmets, so by contrast stormcasts cannot dehumanise their warriors, but since they need to have full helmets to be beginner friendly in terms of paintjobs the solution is to give them helmets with sculpted faces.technically it's still dehumanising in a way, because the human aspect is a mask worn by things that become more and more inhuman as they die, and technically you could have conventional helmets that wouldn't dehumanise them that much to really matter, and technically still there are other ways by which stormcasts can be visual opposites of chaos warriors without having to rely on a difference in the helmet, but then we reach the other part of the discussion: designers are asked, more and more, to make concepts that are recognisably identifiable and branded, more than they are asked to make good designs, chaos warriors are an incredibly popular design, but one that very quickly slipped out of the bounds of warhammer to the point that it's now a generic aesthetic archetype, not really a proprietary type of character, and GW absolutely doesn't want the same to happen to stormcasts, so they'll make their designs more limited and perhaps worse if it means that this look is identifiable as a warhammer thing, and deviations from this aren't identifiable as stormcasts.
>>98895204I just realized now the Leoncoeur is phonetically Le WankerIs this a mere coincidence or was this always a hidden piece of british banter aimed at the french ?
>>98894474>>98894573any pic of Lorennar or the Blacksteel autarchy
>>98895563You're missing the point, what makes you think thunder strike has achieved the level of success they want? They set a precedent and now their rules system is a poison pill for me. Zero reason for me to buy gw models other than to paint and put on a shelf or as a proxy for another hame. If I want to play a tabletop game then there's a fair amount of much smaller but growing games that are ironically more stable than a billion dollar company and funny enough they do narrative much much better.>>98894650Honestly I'm welcoming change because it's very clear that the creative drive behind aos in 2e isn't present anymore. The alternative is it just stays in skeleton crew mode with generic shit like skaven tide, these tomes and ghbs pushed out. The truth is broken realms was the end of an era and the game shouldn't be called age of sigmar anymore.
so, stormcasts with javelins?
>>98896265>any pic of Lorennarthe worst one
>>98896280>I remember it clearly, this is the new art for the SCE and STD models. The SCE all have cloaks and long weapons.>THE SCE ALL HAVE CLOAKS we can confirm this is a hoax then >>98894573
>>98896320What even is that hairstyle?
>>98896280Looks pretty coolKinda strikes me as vanguard?Those chaos warriors though lmao it's literally just old world marauders kek>>98896325Seems like it
>>98896326The RPG budget special
>>98896280Yeah I can tell where white fang got the elden ring vibes just from this bit alone.
>>98896343You are right. Maybe it is ToW.
>>98896280>>98896349Are we good then?
>>98896345Are these meant to be bad-looking?
>>98896358>stormcast in towImagineNo it's just that this particular chaos warrior has a very vikingy helmet>>98896361Unironically not a bad >pivot all things considered. They're not too dissimilar in scope, and zoomers love ER. Might as well try and make the connection. It's what I would've done if gw charged me with attracting secondaries.
>>98896406I don't now if that is stormcast, it's so blurry that looks like a normal knight, like TWW Tsar Guard desu
>>98896416the leaker calls it a stormcast
>>98896406>>98896416First time seeing this leak desu
>>98896421Frostcast temporary
>>98896416The leaker calls it a stormcast. Look st the face helmet too>>98896423It's brand new. Supposedly the guy posting them has access to the new core rulebook.
>>98896326Outreach to the Indian community
Did any other human gods besides Sigmar make it into AoS?
>>98896573Morr(da)
>>98896573Myrmidia was referenced a bit in 1e, both in a standalone short story and in relation to at least one chamber of Tempest Lords, but I'm not sure if GW still considers it canon.
>>98896582Gonna be real, always thought it was strange morr was a dude. Maybe I’m just too familiar with death gods or just death itself being depicted as a woman but I don’t mind the change.
>>98896613I guess you can make an argument that Morr is also heavily inspired by Northern Renaissance memento mori artwork, where death as a lover of woman was a rather common trend
>>98896582>>98896602Thank you anons
>>98896613An alternate view is that Morr is a syncretized conception of the elves' Morai-Heg. They're both said to be close family of Khaine, they're both morbid deities, they're both associated with ravens, and his name is the first syllable of hers.
>>98895838Fair enough, 2+ has more and more focused content and panc has greater visibility.
>>98896613I never had doubts on morr himself, but for a while I genuinely thought morrda was his daughter.
>>98896280>rumourfags on tga think running it through chatgpt reveals it
>>98895441Late answer here, but that model looks very nice. Guess I'm planning for that after I painted the other stuff. Your color scheme also looks nice.I will be going for an ice scheme for the army, inspired by a painting video I saw. I hope it turns out good, especially because I will work with clear resin to create scatched ice effects on armor plates
>>98896613We're simply goth girl appreciators.
>>98896280Horned Darkoath is fitting but kek it's just like orks if they refresh them so early
>>98896859Just the boyz, right? Even then it was because the previous release was an utterly bizarre monobuild kit with a random mixed loadout. They later had to fix this by merging shootas and boyz into the same unit.
>>98896791Same here lel>>98896802That's just the one tard to be fair
Are there any spearheads that were announced but unreleased as of now? Besides Fyreslayers.Armies like Mawtribes don't even have one yet.
>>98896882Mawtribes have an unreleased one. Gitmob took ages to release too, it's normal.
>>98896882Mawtribes mawseeker one will probably release as a standalone box in a couple weeks. Fyreslayer one, new seraphon skink one.
>>98896886>Mawtribes have an unreleased oneWhat's it gonna be?Also goddamn Seraphon are gonna have it rough soon.
>>98896905>What's it gonna be?
He also liked a comment saying "Death of Sigmar".
>>98896905wait, not even the full 24 skinks?
>>98896937and that would be the FIRST book?
>>98896934What a bizarre box as a start of an army.
>the fantasy version of a fantasy version of a sci-fi version of a fantasy game >when Old World already exists for people that want thatWhat the fuck is GW doing? I wonder if this is in response to the stock price loss, iirc they increased their "cash cushion" last year.
>>98896958>No batteline>All cool elite troops>Finally a butcher that doesn't look like a Picasso
>>98896934they're FAT!
>>98896958People and GW just want different things out of these boxes.People wish they were a good value for the core models of the factions so they can buy multiples and get an army done.GW wants people to save as little as possible so they make them unappealing for multiple purchases, and also try to make them vaguely themed in the still naive idea they can push spearhead as a more popular game mode.We'll not get the good value, and unit selection, of the old start collecting boxes because those only existed when gw was panicking and desperately trying to avoid bankruptcy.
>>98896984HE'S WEAKHE'S STARVINGHIS MANEATER SKILLS AREN'T IN DEMAND
>>98896944Crazy right? As if the full unit would've been too much or some shit lol.Gotta be one of the worst spearheads they've done. I wonder what the discount value is.
>>98896990Yeah but we do still get really solid ones like HoH sometimes.
>>98896978>I wonder if this is in response to the stock price lossthese are decisions they took 3 years ago if not more.If anything it's a response to the company growing so much lately, and aos failing to grow at the same pace, leading them to decide they have to do something to make aos more appealing before they hit the next trampoline in popularity (the next amazon animations and series)
>>98896994MAAAAAAAW BUDDYYY
>>98896978That stock price loss wasn't really that dramatic, it just shot up a bunch in pre armageddon hype days and is now correcting itself.Regardless, any measures gw would hypothetically take in a case where they actually are rapidly losing profit would only be visible years from now.
>>98897014I miss when GW was hungry. Covid making everyone stay indoors led to GW conflating the success of all hobbies with their own personal success. People say GW has been anti consumer since the 90s, or since the Chapter House suit, but I remember getting started with stuff like Carnosaurs with full build options or an entire SC! (stupidly) costing less than a magmadroth. People were actually getting into AoS. Now they're combining losing covid boosts and tww losing popularity with increased prices and worse deals. GW might be too big to fail, but they're not too big to fuck up and have a bad quarter, and I wish they'd be more cognizant about what they are and aren't.
>>98896996> I wonder what the discount value is.the stupid little skink wizard on the chair is insanely expensive. he's like $60 for a 5 health foot wizard on what is essentially just a fancy base.
>>98897075All it takes is a bad quarter for the sheep called "shareholders" to scatter, too.
>>98897079technically you get a second skink character out of the kit.
>>98897001That's more a side effect of HoH having like, seven units total
>>98897139As implausible as it seems I just know GW could somehow make an awful box for them if they really wanted to.
>>98897126Remember this from people making the most out of the Seraphon Start Collecting box and turning the spare Saurus into a Coldblood or Astrolith Bearer
>>98894988Kek>>98894993I would say closer to mongols but yeah
>>98897126Well shit, I'm trading for some seraphon and knowing I could have gotten a 2nd one of these little dweebs would have been sick.
Soon?
>>98894801not the same thing at all lol
So whats the Tl;Dr of the leaks
>>98897300AI slop.
>>98897309I figured as much, but im still interested
I just want Seraphon to go back to tow and Nighthaunt to vanish into the night, is it so evil to ask? GW didn't seem so keen on keeping older kits when it was the time for Savage Orruks and Beastmen.
>>98897339Maybe it’d be nice if you hydroplane into a river of Indians
>>98897339you don't like night haunt?
>>98897347They're the fyreslayers of Death: one note, one gimmick, older kits and more support heroes than units.
>>98897365Interesting, interesting. Now face the wall please.
>>98897300more lies from boole but this time he's using alt accounts again
>>98897300nothing new from last time, just some pictures that tell us nothing
So uh, anyway.How was your guyses' weekend?
>>98894880It’s all your fault fag…>>98894903Is there usually only autist behind the long winded back and forths that take up half of the thread here?
>>98897126Wonder if you could put him on one of those raptadons
>>98894700I do hope they explore more of the eldritch creatures in the setting like the one that had to be defeated and sealed in the vault
>>98897410Oh no, it's an anon with a list full of ghosts with swords, which are totally different from the other unit, the ghosts with scythes.
>>98897300>map got posted, is inderd tge most important (and mapped) out bits of each realm together >seems like the starter will indeed be stormies vs StD, as seen in >>98896280>first end of edition campaign book will be called death of sigmarThat's the major gist of it. Oh yeah, the wizard mini-cogfort is real.
>>98897500This is something I never thought would exist.
>>98897544Why shouldn't it?
>>98897500Forgot to give Jer a Sigmarite pendant for maximum grift.
>>98897126i mean sure it comes with some spare bits, but thats no excuse for it costing as much as a whole infantry squad.the astrolith bearer and aggradon scar vet are both like that too, just crazy expensive for single hero models.the slann i understand being a bit more expensive because hes on like an 80mm base, genuinely a large model and 300pts, but these little 5 wound characters being so expensive just sucks
Anyone got any idea who the artist for this piece is? It's from the Quest for Ghal Maraz Realmgate book. AI thinks it's David Gallagher or Wayne England but because there's no credit in the book I don't trust it as far as I can throw it. I'm looking to use it in a homebrew thing
>>98897609OBVIOUSLY it's Dave Gallagher you fucking mongoloid how about you google the artists' names and use your own two eyes to ascertain whose style it matches on your own?Or better yet, get a basic, passing familiarity with GW's top 5 most prolific artists simply by not being a fucking newfag.
>>98897609Pretty sure that's David GallagherWayne England has a pretty different style he also wasn't working at GW during this period. This one matches Gallagher's other Tzeentch Chaos artwork that was coloured
Anyone got any idea who this person is? It's from the cop show TJ Hooker. AI thinks it's William Shatner or Tony Shalhoub but because there's no credit on the screenshot I don't trust it as far as I can throw it. I'm looking to use it in a homebrew thing
>>98897609style is unmistakable
>>98894633>>98894650>>98894677Sounds like it’s for the best, even discussion here is pretty annoying and taken advantage of by bad faith faggots, let alone elsewhere >>98894645This is a damn cool rendition honestly
>>98895015A horn that huge seems impractical
>>98895492Ubergrog from the outer circle 30k youtube thingy has a nighthaunt army iirc.
>>98897674Horns are not meant to be practical.
>>98897766Horns are not meant, they're grown.
>>98897222My understanding is that it's actually dangerous and irresponsible to be this based
>>98896256It's just a reference to King Richard
>>98894573>>98894594>>98894611>>98894823>>98895010>>98895018>>98896196>>98897309>>98897447I’m glad that at the very least we can all agree this is clearly bullshit
>>98895233>>98895194The thought of this being the case is kind of funny honestly >>98895283>>98895180How much? I’m curious
this general has the worst activist cycle on this board what retarded time zone do you all live in
ogor book where ?
>>98896994>I live for a gluttonous cause. I'm a Butcher. I come from a whole lineage of Butchers. And you gave me the biggest hoard to stand up on and shout that I'm the Gutseer. I'm the Prophet of the Maw. No longer can you claim that you're under attack and you're the persecuted one when you're claiming you're going to take everything from me and my good friend Andy Gnoblarski. All because we dared have the guts to say that the God-King has no clothes! All because we dared to say that you're not a king. You're not a god. You're not the leader of a Grand Alliance. All that you are is a poopy-pants thinling!
Vanguard will be the limitus test as to whether I buy into stormcast or not
>>98898658>limitus test
>>98898347Why don't you post some models about it then big boy
Finally got ahold of a brush after weeks of panicking left right and center. Used Vallejo mud texture for the plaster. I’ll have to clean up the wood when it dries and add bricks on the first floor and other little details, then finally to painting
>>98898733I like your chaos warriors btw
>>98898765That ain’t me, I’m red ironjawz anon. I like his chaos warriors too lol
>>98897500>>98897570Unironically can someone shoop a sigmarite pendant on Jer here?
>>98898915Alright I'll fix it gimme 5 min
>>98898918Thanks anon, this is a great image.If you're the artist, are you able to also make on in the future with Melony and Claire on panel with Jer?
>>98898926I might.I'm not sure what Melonie should be.I'm thinking flesh-eater vampire using Ushoran's glamor to disguise her ghoulish appearance.
>>98898953Thanks for the laugh anon, and that's pretty good.
>>98898980I figured we needed some OC in this FUCKING GENERAL holy shit
>Ghouls will descend upon this city tomorrow, Marshal. You best start readying the defence>How do you know this, Knight Thundercock?>I am able to faintly hear the endless screams of "uooooooh" descending from the north
>>98895584>>98895609Honestly pretty cool looking>>98895676>>98895694In fairness, villain vs villain conflicts tend to be some of the best in fiction because of the lack of contrivances so I don’t mind
>>98898445he, who has eyes, can see
>>98897500>>98898953lmaoGod I hate him so much.
>been out of stock for weeksPlace your bets on how awful the next one will be.
>>98899441Ah, perfect.
>>98899441Priest, cav and hobgrots
>>98899496A dual build hero? nay that's way too useful in multiples.
>>98899496>>98899497Ok, swap priest with underworlds band but they now have to lift it into AoS proper
>>98899497you must realize we have only 2 infantry hero sprues right? War Despot had his time, Daemonsith/Ashen Elder is next.That being said I dont think we'll get a new Spearhead for HoH anytime soon.
>>98899505>War Despot had his timeAnd you think this will stop them?
Just realized Grell is supposed to be a woman. One named female character who's also the faction leader wasn't enough? lol
>>98899509Yes, hobgrots are what makes the box less interesting
>>98899532If you only just realized surely it's not so bad
>>98899606Like most GW females once you see the halmarks of their female design you can't unsee it. Really cursed an otherwise stellar ogre range update. Although the new mounts don't fit the BCR aesthetic at all.
>>98899610>halmarks of their female design...like what? Do they apply to the ogres?
>>98898445Ogor book: https://gofile.io/d/Mg5MYBdH
>>98899631its in the gofile of the OP
>>98899642To be fair we didn't have anything like that for the longest time, can't blame people for not knowing
why are the 5e rumors so shit?
>>98899628Nta, but I'd say the current staples for modern GW female models are things like minimizing sexual dimorphism and producing extremely androgynous, or outright masculine, faces and bodies. Often times this extends as far as making entire bodies interchangeable between the sexes (see the Helsmiths or Cathay for examples of this). When breasts are present, they're often minimized and/or heavily concealed. The new commemorative warqueen is an easy example of everything I'm talking about here. Keep in mind, this isn't 100% concrete. The 'eavy Metal style cannot handle female faces so they are often worse than they might otherwise be. There are also plenty of more modern exceptions to the rules. The new TOW damsel model avoids most of the modern GW female design failings, as does pretty much the entirety of the DoK range (blood hags being the obvious deviation).
>>98899731Yeah GW females are generally hideous but clearly sculpted different from men in ways that aren't always immediately obvious, but once you notice you notice.
>>98898141Over 7 million copies across the series from low effort search results, with DLC not included. SM2 achieved a similar figure in a year and that was over a third of GWs net profit that year, so everything would suggest they will pivot towards exploiting their IP associations (which I suspect is why we have TLW and miniatures tie ins to the upcoming 40k RTS).
>>98898714maybe I will………..
>>98898347You made this post at like 3am for me, I gotta assume you live in topeka kansas or something
>>98895709>Are they moving to like a more From Software kind of vibe do you think?I sure as shit hope not (whatever that’s supposed to mean) these properties and basically anything to do with that company are pretty diametrically opposed in terms of how they approach things >>98895823>>AoS the Last World reverts AoS to a more grounded settingArguably the most retarded thing they can do, most of this games soul and identity comes from how unapologetically everything is cranked up to 11
>>98899760That's what kind of bugs me about the unisex bodies that seem to be popping up alot more now. They ultimately feel extension cheap and more than a little exploitative. They male or female head options on unisex bodies are just there to creat the illusion of difference and of having options. What they actually are is a way for GW to cut corners and save money on the production costs on something they insist on treating like a premium product.Fuck you, James. If you want me to spend $70+ on a 5-10 (potentially mixed sex) unit, you better damn well be making sure there are clearly identifiable differences between my male and female options.
>>98899813most of this games' soul and identity comes from carrying along and holding hostage fantasy stuff
>>98899820You wouldn't know sovl if it pissed in your face
>>98899842of course I wouldn't, because I would have fucking piss on my fucking faceyou're the one praising piss falling on your face as if it was a blessing from heaven
>>98899842>I LOVE age of sigmar, but I HATE warhammer!It's not difficult to see why gw wants a difference audience.
burning my daughters of khaine alongside my sex toys and hrt if TLW happens
>>98899887I have nothing against fantasyI don't think aos is at its best when it's just bringing back character x or concept y from fantasy but rather doing different stuff with them.Fyreslayers > khazalitesSylvaneth > wood elvesKurdoss or katakros > mannfred or neferataEtc.Seraphon are the exception they've been perfect since 1993
>>98899918>posting my wife while making a post like this criminal
>>98899768InterestingWonder how much that translates to in raw cashThey should really consider leaning into this stuff even more if it’s making them so much dough
>>98899922Take aos, remove the stuff from fantasy, and tell me if what remains has anything close to the same sovl
>>98899922Fyreslayers were an expansion of concept Y from WFB to the point where they even kept the name "slayers". If we remove fantasy derived stuff from AoS the FS are on that list
>>98899954at that point might as well reduce any piece of media to just a knock off of the hungry hungry caterpillar
>>98899954I don't mind expansions of concepts, especially since whfb is incredibly generic anyway. AoS is still a continuation, it just shouldn't be the exact same shit.
>>98899820how is it holding it hostage if fantasy is still around though
>>98894573By the way, this has been confirmed fake by now. It's concept art from some random game.
>>98899963Alright, fair enough>>98899958>Saying fyreslayers are derived from slayers is the same as saying the Odyssey (film) is derived from the Hungry Hungry CaterpillarOk buddy
>>98896361>>98896349Don’t joke about this
>>98899945>£525.7 million total revenue >£52.5 million licensing So just 10%, but it did represent a record breaking peak. GW growth persists despite licensing fall off obviously but the year after SM2 their stock fell like 9% and there was a lot of financial doomerism about a growth cliff (because boomers are fucking stupid). GW will definitely try to secure good contracts for IP farming to offset things but their main focus is the core line. I think AoS was obviously tooled for IP growth because it's untapped but that's less because the growth justified undermining the IP as is and more no one gives a shit about AoS internally so why not rebrand it anyway? Schizo theory: campaign books are a great look into GW internals because they reflect internal play. AoS has a history of scrapped books, broken books, etc that hints at zero internal play testing. Jervis wrote WD campaigns for AoS, like Hallost, but after he left it's entirely WD staff. 4th edition already rebooted the core rules, no one who made AoS works on it so there's no attachment to the IP as is - an IP that doesn't sell licensing.
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>>98899991Dude those are completely available in fantasy battles.
>>98899947worst AoS factions are holdover from WHFB. give them to TOW.
>>98900003AoS losing skaven would crater the game in all aspects
>>98900003>worst AoS factions are holdover from WHFB.Damn I never knew gargants, cities of sigmar, and stormcast were originally in fb. Yeah they should go back there.
>>98900007Im obviously talking about SBGL, Skaven, Ogres and Seraphon. completely boring and uninspired
>>98900013the entirety of chaos is also a holdover from fantasygits too
>>98900013Idk maybe take this to /wfg/ then.
>>98900014>the entirety of chaos is also a holdover from fantasynot at all. If fantasy tried their hand at chaos they would just be HH boogaloo with armored marines a la tow.
>>98900007>worst AoS factions>CoSSir, sir, I think you meant the best, or at least it was before GW fucked it all up by making it Imperial Guard 2 electric boogaloo. "Ooooh it's totally not IG guys, it's about castling instead of HRE or a military", yeah yeah just the Humans and Auxillary Non-Humans Who Are Humans Big Or Small, who rely on technology and faith who rely on heckin determination. Big difference.
Ladies ladies, no need to argue, I have already solved this query months ago
>>98900036Imperial Guard has more nonhuman (abhuman) representation on the tabletop than Cities do
>>98900060It's a work in progress, anon!
>>98900060they only have ogres and hobbitswhile cos have ogres and giants
>>98900020Anon, get your eyes checked.
>>98900060CoS is getting Halflings tbf
>>98900073Yeah that was from the aborted endtimes fantasy release See also, blightkings which were prototype deathguard with Le epik funny mutations xd
>>98900073Spiritually endtimes and therefore whfb
I really thought I'd enjoy Helsmiths of Hashut and got the spearhead but I'm just not sure now. They just look too clean or something. There's not enough edge to them. They look borderline scifi.Just so strange to look at that army and then at something like the new ogres and especially old chorfs.
>>98900090>They look borderline scifi.your blind. Stick some skulls on them if its bothering you and shave off the gems.
>>98900080>>98900083they have completely different design cues from the end times releases for khornebut let's play your game, how far along into aos do we have to go before we get a chaos design that isn't "spiritually whfb"?
>>98900090Are you painting their armor a flat matte colour or a metallic one?And have you fallen for the pitfall of excessive gold decorations?
>>98900097>they have completely different design cues from the end times releases for khorneOkay you're retarded then. theres not even a point in communicating with you.
>>98900097>the units released in march 2015 have a totally different look compared to the ones in july!Do they though?Honestly I would qualify end times / launch aos aesthetic as its own separate era
>>98900103dark steel armor, bronze trim, gold decorations, blue cloth.
>>98900105You won't find the same type of helmets or the same shackles, or the same design of armor or pauldrons or weapons on the end times khornate releases.Blood warriors were quite evidently designed at a very different time, from a completely different brainstorming of designs.
>>98900080I have never seen the original blight kings kit receive such comments. You’re forcing it too hard
>>98900103>>98900118Here's a rough wip, haven't gotten to all the trim yet but you get the idea.
>>98899816>>98899731based reasonable man of standards
>>98900128Newfag, the range was always considered as Reddit before the Darkwater release.
>>98900115>Do they though?yes, it doesn't matter how close the release dates were, it only matters that the designing sessions were separate, that's enough to create elements in one release that you won't find in the other, and that's enough to suggest a separation, because otherwise gw shares the design cues across the models that are the result of a particular project.Wrathmongers and skullreapers don't have the design cues of the bloodbound range, they were done separately at a different time.
>>98899979>>98899969Confirming what we all knew lol these gay “leaks” are so dumb
>>98900139go back to /towg/ to cry about how the new chaos warriors are actually closer to chaos marines somehow.
>>98900139That's the death guard, not the maggotkin, retard
>>98900139No, it wasn’t. Quit your autistic revisionism
>>98900143>gets found out>tries to muddle the waters by implying his fake leak was made by the same leakers that have posted genuine stufftoo obvious
>>98900134>dark steel>blue tinted gleaming silver>gold decorations>the entire shirt
>>98900156>>gold decorations>>the entire shirtIt's a rather dark bronze, it's quite a bit darker when there isn't a light directly on it. The sword is the same paint.
>>98900143This one was posted by a new account with 0 credibility. Even tga thought it was fake, and multiple anons here shared that sentiment. It turning out to be fake is no real surprise.The other stuff like the pic in the op or the spear stormcast has a lot more going for it.
>>98900154Not the sperg who posted that dogshit but now I’m curious, what “genuine stuff” are you referring to?>>98900175Basically yes, though I have my share of skepticism for those too
>>98900187The mongol, sideshave, and the map are by another guy though he admittedly has no credibility beyond the credible leaker discouraging him from posting pics as it risks their position (which would imply they're real pics)
>>98900201Big Yahoo posted everything but the fake one
>>98900187>my share of skepticism for those toowhy?
>>98900201This is like the third time some new guy shows up out of the blue to post a bunch of pics and then boole replying within 5 minutes within something along the lines of >woah be careful man you can't just post pics like that I advise you to delete them asapIt's very obviously his alts
>>98900224boole is ESL and clueless about AoS but Yahoo is quite eloquent
>>98900231>but Yahoo is quite eloquentHe writes in the same broken way.
>A Massive Hat ProductionMildly amusing.
>>98900231He's usually just quoting the core book
>>98899947You can keep your fantasy soul while I keep my soulless AoS update. Fair trade imo
>>98900310models of fantasy designs that happen in aos are still fantasy models
>>98900266>Join us in-store to celebrate Warhammer Day and Halloween! You’ll be able to pick up other scary models, such as skeletons, zombies, and other undead warriors. Plus, you can get Oath Fulfilled, the special commemorative miniature, who, if she gets sufficiently blessed by the Dark Gods, might make it onto this list for next year.Yo it sounds like they're giving out single modelshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/zbi88sln/celebrate-warhammer-day-with-some-suitably-scary-miniatures/
>>98900323If you tried to bring nu-Seekers into a fantasy group they’d lynch you because they see AoS on the box.
>>98900390no, that only happens to strawmen
>>98900390I don't think that's true since the large chunk of Fantasy people I've seen just use AOS models because they just look inherently better than the old shit that's available.Like that guy who burned all his elves and made an Ogor army out of Stormcast models.
>>98900390nu seekers aren't fitting for wfb considering the nature of chaos armies there
>>98900390lmao nogames shitposter
>>98900310It offends me that they removed the titties. Modern fiends have exposed breasts, and they're not that far removed from the newer HoS seeker kits.
>>98900426doesn't that sum up like, half this thread?
>>98900390Surely not even the groggiest of grogs could have a problem with the damn seekers
>>98900407nobody cares about sticking to the retcons about how chaos is supposed to be in that era
>>98900478You can say what you want but WFB chaos are all snowniggers. HoS are a desert themed army.
>>98900484Cults can pop up anywhere. There are more people involved with chaos in Fantasy than just Norsca.
KHORNE!!!
>>98900484I don't think you understand how fucked up the north pole is, it's not just a frozen wasteland, it's the gods' hellscapes on earth.The new seekers riders aren't any less dressed than the old riders.Sigvald was going around with his buttcheeks out.Basically any concept the modern slaanesh range is using has its roots in older models or artworks for them.
>>98900529Bone white with black trim and only sparse bronzish-gold looks pretty good actually, nice.Love the skull facepaint on the StD leading the way too.
>>98900529
>>98900440I’ve unironically heard “too scantily clad Chaos is in the Poles”.
>>98900048Why are there question marks with KO?
>>98900426he's half right in that performative fantasy guys in the /wfg/ will sneed about AOS models on square bases but those guys are nogames anyway
>>98900083I thought endtimes was spiritually AOS.
>>98900744The ones who do play games there don’t care or are supportive of it. Take from that what you will
>>98900769Personally, I don't give a fuck what models people use. Just paint your shit and make sure I can actually tell what your models are supposed represent - that's all I ask.
>>98900090>there's not enough edge to them
>>98900788Ah spikiness levels stabilizing.
>>98900080>Shit talking the original Pbk kitBait used to be believable
>>98900806Highly overrated kit.
>>98900786See, that makes too much sense. We can’t have that around hereSide question for yall; what’re the chances we keep the circle objective zones in 5e? Making terrain for a board and dunno if I should bother planning to make those or just wait and see
>>98900810Very much, but damn it did give you a shit ton of bits for kitbashing. Even if the blight kings themselves are borderline monopose (or duopose) without decent work.
>https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/box0xn16/how-to-paint-the-warhammer-day-miniature/Is there some internal politics where they all fucking hate the sculptor of this mini or something? Why are the only paintjobs they're showing off so inhumanly bad?
>>98900818>>98900810The only way you could overrate this kit is if you claimed it cured your cancer (it only put it into remission)
>>98900825It's a simple paint job for beginners with a knotley level number of paints
>>98900825It's just a bad mini
>>98900806You can tell warhammer fantasy guys have terrible taste *because* they hated this kit. I say 'hated', because now that it's replaced with a new one, i've seen more praise of it. Kind of like how the 8th edition dwarfs were despised, but now that AOS has new dwarfs, the old ones are treated as le epic
>>98900880Nah, she's sexo.
>>98900726You could argue kharadron are also the spiritual successors of the engineers of whfb dwarfs. They could be considered like 3 different categories.
>>98900884Get this ugly bitch outta here!
>>98900765Logically it should be yeah
>>98900911> spiritual successorsyou can directly trace the technological evolution model to model. the later gyrocopters had smaller versions of the metal compressed gas chambers that the kharadron boats later made the mainstay of their craft. there were also similar propeller and engine structures although those are harder to see in the webstore photos and you'd have an easier time noticing it comparing them in person
>>98900765End times units are spiritually launch aos and therefore aosLaunch aos units are spiritually end times and therefore whfb
>>98900934here's a better shot of the bouyancy chambers on the wings and the engine and propeller works on the undercarriage. you can see where the KO ship ideas came from.they also had the dwarven face relief emblems on the front, which later became stretched into the whole front visages on the KO ships
>>98900951Wonder if it would look better if the rotors were modelled in motion, y'know just a good old circle on top.
>>98900961it wouldn't
>>98900528Yes but no. It’s the one of the many things I didn’t like about fantasy, you could justify a spur of the moment cultists movement but never an empire beyond or the wastes.
>>98901015Araby, ind, and kuresh are lands ripe for a slaaneshi tainted city state or two.
I thought we agreed to ban rumour shit which is only dividing our community to the advantage of /WFH/?
where did the seraphon tome go? they revealed it a month ago but so far no previews
>>98901026I played against someone using it twice weeks ago? It was OP and stomped my shit round 2 damn needs an FAQ
>>98901022Cope>>98901026Prolly only after the full khazalite release
>>98897500This better be the next thread image.
>>98900951>IT HAD A TINY BALL>IT'S LITERALLY AN ENDRIN YOU GUYS
>>98901022>>98901035Kek my bad was meant for >>98901023
>>98901043why DO female dwarves always look like they have FAS while males just look like fat blokes, anyway?
>>98897500I have no idea what the context for this is
>>98901055me neither
>>98901055it's a podcast set up, drawing comparison to the kind of people who would host one with Ogres and Gnoblars because they're typically fat, ugly, evil, etc
>>98901055I don't even know where to begin explaining
THEY'RE INhttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/makgoojc/watch-the-full-series-of-arkanaut-on-warhammer-tv-now/
>>98901093Yeah but like are they supposed to resemble a real podcast? Like a specific one?
>>98901133kinosmiths...
>>98901148yes, kino casinothe guy on the left is jeremy hambly aka the quartering. the podcaster goblin is andy warski, possible aids-having condom remover who used to cohost with jf gariepy (a guy who killed his retarded wife) and the ogre is ppp, a fatass who ran a christian 'free radio' that did very badly so he pivoted to running a podcast on shitflinging at lolcows
>>98901022They’d be hot spots of it for sure if anything
>>98900812Unless you're a compfag, just do whatever you want. There's a relatively decent chance that 5ed AoS will continue down the same comp-focused rabbit hole that's currently gutting 40k, so take that into consideration.
>>98901133Why are they all negroid now?
>>98901133
>>98901277What a fine miniature!
>>98901166I've never listened to these guys, there's some dickhead canadian I know that loves em though.
>>98901287this would have been a popcorn bucket these daysa head of it's time
>>98901133>https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/makgoojc/watch-the-full-series-of-arkanaut-on-warhammer-tv-now/Is this only 3 episodes long?
>>98901297Yeah
>>98901244You cucks will complain about anything. They're the bad guys, theyre adding realism.
>>98901244that's the price for having access to the black arts
>>98901297The link someone posted earlier this week just went to porn.It sucks I want to see the Helsmiths kill the arkanaut
#HAMMERTIME
>>98901346>final act is a giant sky laserkino...
>>98901244they're jewish, anon
>>98901166why do you know this
>>98901396Because it's funny, bish.
Is there any real way to paint black flame and not have it look shit?
>>98901133>>98901277>>98901287Eerie and uncanny…
Is Warhammer+ worth it?
>>98901407>
>>98901402It’s more of an issue of it looking unfinished rather than shit. But I’m curious too.
>>98901317Part 3 just came out today, what did you expect?
>>98900153>>98900151>>98900147>>98900128Since the release of blight war, maggotkins range was deemed as too “jolly” even by nurgle standards with stuff such as sloppity bile piper and the snail riding demon, the mortal selection composing of nurglings emerging from their stomachs, was also a factor to their laughable asthetic
>>98901402Dogshit alert
Heh
>>98901439no
>>98901612Nta but I've heard those complaints Not so much about the bk though mostly good old sloppity
>>98901576I'm rooting for the bvll
>>98901354
>>98901622Sometimes this place is alright
>>98901346>>98901576gotta say, I love the model, but the statue looks really bad when it tries to fly normally by flapping and gliding.it needed some kind of weird magical effect.
>>98901654Just magical jet propulsion fuck it
>>98901665that would be alright, but it doesn't look like they went with that, or anything really
I never knew KO had magnet boots and gloves, so that's how they hitch rides in ships huh
>>98901693I think it may have come up in one of the Drekki books, but I might be misremembering.
>>98901622wait did that just move?!
>>98901693how are you missing the cables?
>>98901702On the left one? She gets up without one and walks off without detaching anything. I see the one on the right
>>98901693Such is the power of endrinrigging
>>98901707they both have cables they're hanging from
>>98901707he's providing emotional support to the other with his cable
>>98901166It's important to state: this is not a caricature of Jeremy Hambly. This is actually what he looks like.
>>98900076source? proof?
>>98901292he's very right to do so
>>98901439What’s that have to do with the blightkings and how they were received since the End Times?
>>98901807There's one rumour floating around since forever about "diminituive fellows finally joining aos" or something along those lines, but I always just assumed that was khazalites. Some people think it's halflings though
>>98901693the lack of safety harnesses in a flying ship really boggles my mind. i bet those shit dwarves lose crewmates all the time
>Play duos>Ally duo is CoS with mostly duardin>Gets most objective areas>Sits there camping for points with ironbreakers while my crossbow boyz and his fusiliers take potshots at their units>My monsters are simply wrasslin their monsters just being bodyblockers>Win by solid 15 points lead>one of the oponents thanks god that the duardin are getting removed??? The fuck? Since when the duardin were broken in AoS?
>>98901917>>98901917>>98901917
>>98901873most of the crew is lost because it falls down
>>98901397not really
>>98900212presumably because we’ve had so many fakes ones already
>>98901931>not page 10Gay
>>98899045Kek
>>98894903Damn the old designs were so much better than the new lard piles
>>98896320>literally looks like a giant pile of shitThis is so fucking bad i now believe it's real
>>98900884>sheanon... "she" has the body of man 1 month into hrt
>>98894559>not thai snakemen using not mongol humans as slave troopsbased and cool if truegrimdark khans of tarkir coming to AoS
>>98904757>grimdark khans of tarkirwho would be the not tibetans and and the not persians ?
>>98896320why the turd shaped zoomer haircut ?
>>98903887>>98904759Probably fake (hopefully)
>>98903924More darkoussy for me while low-t bozos such as yourself seethe about the newer daughters of khaine minis, then.
>>98904883>probably fakeOh my sweet summer child...
