>What is /awg/?A thread to talk about minis and games which fall between the cracks, or peoples' homebrew wargames.The >>>/tg/hwg thread doesn't entertain fantasy and the other threads are locked to more specific games.This thread isn't tied to a game, a publisher, or a genre. Let's just talk about fun wargames. Any scale, any company, any miniatures.>Examples of games that qualify.A Song of Ice and Fire, Argatoria, Carnevale, Conquest: The Last Argument of Kings,Deadzone, Dragon Rampant, Dropfleet & Dropzone Commander, Freebooter's Fate, Frostgrave, Full Spectrum Dominance, Gaslands, HeroClix, Kings of War, Lords & Legends,Maelstrom's Edge, Malifaux, Marvel Crisis Protocol, Masters of the Universe: Battleground, Moonstone,Oathmark, OnePageRules, Open Combat, RelicBlade, Rumbleslam,SAGA, Sahipkıran, Sludge, Space Weirdos, StarCraft, Stargrave, Sword Weirdos,Urban War, Void Admiral, Warcaster, Warmachine, Xenos Rampant, Xenotactics......and anything else that doesn't necessarily have a dedicated thread.>Examples of companies providing rules and/or miniatures for alternative wargames.Archon Studio, Atomic Mass Games, Black Site Studios, CMON, Death Reaper Games, Goblin King Games, Lucid Eye, Mantic, North Star Military Figures, OnePageRules, Osprey, Para Bellum, Seb Games, Spellcrow, TTCombat, Victrix, Wargames Atlantic, Warlord Games......and many other publishers.>Places to get minis; Updates to the minis list are welcome.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D2DbNJ2mYAUxh5P9Pq9NZqS5tXHGn0i2JhZchEwbA2I/edithttps://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/373197.page>Novice Troves, meant to serve as a sampler of available systems. Check out the Share Thread for up-to-date troves.https://pastebin.com/MjtsC8AXhttps://mega.nz/#F!zSYW0I4a!vXh8-UPi_tWXpJES_-p4zgPrevious Thread:>>98832282>Thread QuestionWhat are you building/painting? Pics?
What OPR Fantasy army can I substitute 30 Reaper kobolds for?
Is there a warmahordes STL repository I can head to catch up on the MMF releases and maybe some ahead of time if they were ever made? I think Privateer Press started selling 3D printed models when it was nearing the end of owning the IP.Will it later have the Cryx Armada release?My LGS seems to just be Warhammer and the big card games so I don't feel comfortable spending money only to have no games as nobody wants to answer my requests for games.
>>98862326Isn't that Bones pack fucking tiny? You might have to downscale to cm instead of inches to make it work.
What game has the best ranged combat rules you have ever seen? I don't want any of the Warhammer mumbo-jumbo where shooting is important but you can switch to clubbing shit with nuclear-powered hammers as well if you fancy. I'm looking for preferably 15-28mm skirmish games that focus heavily on use of ranged weapons, with gun fight being the main way of combat. I don't care if it's modern, near future or absolutely sci-fi - I just want to see what a good long range combat ruleset looks like.
>>98862465Infinity or, for this thread, MERCS.
>>98862316TQMaschinen Krieger and the m50a1 ontos. Goddamn the latter has a ton of fiddly bits. Also, still not entirely sure on how to make it more sci-fi.
>>98862676Is Infinity actually a decent game? I only eyed it for anime butts and tits. What makes the ranged combat good in that case?
>>98862465Ultimately, it will still come down to rolling dice (or substituting some other arbitrary method of randomly generating integers), and comparing it to a target number.Because that is what tabletop games are.The only further layers of analysis that really matter are whether you can resolve shooting in a single roll, or if it takes more than one (there is an argument that if a single action takes more than one roll, your time is being wasted) and the "dice curve" on your number generator.For instance, one die has a "flat" (see; non) curve, whereas two die has a steep one, and the more die you add, the smoother the curve gets.All tabletop games mechanically revolve around the understanding of these very simple maths principles, with minor variations on the theme.And they are by and large, unimportant, as long as they aren't bloated to fuck.The real reason people play tabletop games is how the little metal and/or plastic men make them feel.40k is the ultimate proof of that.The rules are dogshit.A child could invent a better game drawing on a Mcdonalds table mat.You are better off picking something you aesthetically vibe with anyway, because in all likelihood you will likely spend 10x more time painting and assembling your terrain and models than ever actually playing with them.In that kind of environment, style IS substance.>*continues to rant and froth at the mouth to himself*
>>98862842This may be simultaneously the most useless reply and the most incorrect take in /awg/ of this year.
>>98862759Nta but a combination of range and the reaction system. Evert time a model takes an action any enemy model that can see it gets to react. This can be to take a shot, so bumrushing into close combat as you do in 40k just results in you morphing into a leaky collander. Melee specialists still exist and melee can be brutal, but they need to be careful on their approach and make heavy use of smoke and blind grenades or get behind the enemy. Also it is possible to declare a shoot reaction when an enemy model charges into you.
>>98862759It is a very good game IF you can get into it. Shooting in infinity is the go-to method to solve most things as the game heavily builds on it. There are several modifiers that stack with each other and all weapons have a max range of at least 24 (shotguns, pistols) to 96 inches, while you play on 48x48. This effectivly means that you are never out of range, but hit worse.On top of that is the reaction system where every action causes a reaction that can negate the active players action (like 2 guys shooting each other would compare their rolls, say the active player rolls a 1,2 and 5 but the reactive player a 3 would mean that the 1 and 2 of the active player get canceled and only the 5 is a hit as it cancels the 3).But the big part are the amount of different weapons, their ammo types, negative modifiers, range bands and counters to negative modifiers.As you use w20s it realy matters if your successes are on 1-15s, 1-12s or 1-9s. On top of that you can add stuff like smoke to deny line of sight and hacking to deny countermeasures to smoke. Practicaly everything has a counterskill or equipment. An easy example:Say my O.R.C. with a shotgun is within 8 inches of your Scout and both have cover.It is my turn and i decide to shoot with the shotgun. My O.R.C. hits on 1-14s normaly, but i get +6 because we are within 8 inches. The scout however also has cover and the mimetism skill, both giving a malus of -3 each on my shot. The scout hits on 1-12s normaly, uses his pistol and gets+3 for range, but -3 for the O.R.C.s cover. The shotgun has 2 shots, the pistol only 1 as it is reacting. Then dice are rolled and things die. Usualy you try to make fights unfair by moving in a way to get the enemy without cover or engaging in his bad range so he has to dodge instead of shooting back
>>98862465you could check out BLKOUT, similar to Infinity, but simpler and less advanced sci-fi
Tiny dead dudes on horses
>>98863864Pretty good but why such an unusual choice for basing ?
>>98863960its a test for playing games like age of fantasy in 10mm.I know I know, just play regiments/oldworld/wh-renaissance/other rank and file game.But already got armies for those, and we wanted to try something else
>>98862338There isn't one anymore. The MMF at full retail is sadly the only place with their full releases.
I wish you could block certain eBay sellers forever, what a wanker lol.
>>98864380I was wishing the other day you could leave comments to call them out on their shit.
>>98864380Just reported him to ebay since most of those models aren't actually OOP, you can still get most of them from EM4. I doubt they'll do anything but I feel smug and that's all that really matters
>>98863161>BLKOUT>check website>rules are freeWhat's the catch to this? What's the catch to this wargame besides being hard to find people to give it a shot at the LGS?>>98864216Fair enough then. Thank you.By chance does anybody here remember Warmachine Tactics? Was that game just for porting the 3D models to tabletop simulator at this point Was the music at least good? Does anybody remember the Warmachine animated short? Or did you all try to forget it?>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1lTTRGvwRA
>>98865335>What's the catch to this?Resin models that cost a ton and only come in inconvenient bundles.
Does anyone have Fallout Factions:Battle For Boston? I bought the Minutemen box and it includes stats and points but doesn't bother including the rules for their innate perk Covering Fire or their campaign goals.
Anyone in the know have any good X-Wing miniatures homebrews? Something that I could print out and replace my existing cards and cardboard tokens with? I have a nice collection of ships to start playing with, but I have very little 2.0 cards.
Anyone got a pdf for Quar full rule book?
>>98865335>>98865437technically you could just proxy stuffand there are a lot of expansion packs that aren't free
>>98862465Any of the Ambush Alley's modern rules, but mainly Tomorrow's War (or Next War if you can get the draft rules for "free").
Due to Gripping Beast closing down I will be ordering british minis to my friend who lives there to skim on tarrifs and shipping costs.Any recommendations for arab (crusade and so one, lets be real the fashion in these parts has not changed for a thousand years, you could probably use even basic spearman in napoleonics) miniatures ? I already have a list of minis prepared from:>Footsore>Perry>Gripping BeastAny other suggestions are also welcome, I also collect dwarves.
>>98867268>Due to Gripping Beast closing down I had no idea, totally missed the memo. Huh, good thing I bought a shit ton of Vikings, Saxons and Arabs back then.
>>98865335>>98865335Good idea, but the models in Warmachine Tactics are very rough, texture mapping does the majoriry of the detail work. The models can be exported, but they don't look great and its overall more trouble than its worth. Sorry to bring you down about it. On the upside, I'll probably start scanning in my warmahordes collection next year, since no one else seems to be doing it.
>>98862465Black Ops has the best gunfight system I've played, just as En Garde! has the best swordfighting system.Mostly thanks to its suppression mechanics:>You can choose between aimed shots and suppression>When you opt for the latter, you place suppression markers on the target or the targeted area>When it's the target's turn, they can either lie low and skip their turn, or activate and face incoming fire>If they choose the latter, they roll one die per marker to see whether they get hitI love it because most suppression mechanics boil down to a "roll vs. psychology" check, whereas this one makes it a rational choice, letting you decide how much risk you're willing to take.
>>98864058I never posted about it but I like your project. For the two anons that bitched about OPR there might be twice more silent appreciators.Are those from Forest Dragon or another maker?
>>98867190>Tomorrow's WarNTA, but could you sell me in that game? I'm looking for a near-future gritty mili-scifi game>>98862676>MERCSThat game? https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/66986/mercs
>>98868461Thanks Anon! ..Yes those are forest dragon miniatures, some of the best
>>98869112Feel free to post more pix on your progress. Are you the FD lizardmen anon that was eyeing on Rattle and Rand too?
>>98869284Yes that is also me, I do all the 10mm stuff
>>98869375Write a quick AAR next time you play it. I wanted to watch a Youtube video to see the game in action but there is none of them.
A lot of the Pulp Figures models are based on obscure Boomer movies. The Nazi in goggles is one of the zombies from the 70's film Shockwaves but does anybody recognise the monster with a gun?
>>98867799>On the upside, I'll probably start scanning in my warmahordes collection next year, since no one else seems to be doing it.Please do it and if the results are actually really good when they come out in printed form, please tell us how you did it.
>>98868890Man, MERCS was fun in 1e.True /awg/ success story, and the game was fast and fun. Pretty well balanced too, unless you were playing as Sefadu vs USCR. They could not counter the Behemoth. Never did get to play as Texico, sadly.
Anybody have any experience with the Traveller wargame, Striker?
Has anyone paid much Wyrdcry/Black Death City?Both !Mordheim but based on Warcry rules.I have a played a little bit of both and enjoyed them
>>98869688It would be pretty loose but it makes me think of the nightmare scene from an american werewolf in london.
>>98862316I know it's more appropriate for /hwg/ but I've just ordered the K47 introductory box and one been really looking at getting in to moonstone, Malifaux and SAGA now that I've turned away from GW. I'm also getting in to 3D modelling and I'm hoping to make lots of bits for conversions and basing bits as well
>>98862465Quar, unironicaly.Never expierienced a better shootout skirmisher. You got modifieres for range, cover, beeing prone and so on. It also got rules for jamming weapons, critical hits and support fire. Every attacks also triggers a reaction in which the defendee may fire back or go to ground which inflicts additional modifires. Also there is a unique mechanic where the emeny may move your models when they panic. And thats just for basic weapons, the spezial weapons dial it up even more. Such a great game.
Manitc just revealed a bunch of new stuff for Halo Flashpoint that fills out most of the remaining species.They also revealed what is called a board game, but functionally is a narrative campaign system with the first one based around CE. Most of the minis in that are standees, but there's also a new Chief variant with an assault rifle rather than an energy sword as well as an Elite Zealot.
>>98872934WORT WORT WORT!
>>98872934What kind of absolute dumbfuckery was it to release the covenant now instead of when the game first came out
>>98873120The kind where they wanted the game to resemble a video game multiplayer match instead of a battle from the setting.
>>98873120First one was testing the waters as they didn't have any clear idea as to how well it would go, and symmetrical Spartan vs Spartan multi-player let them use the same molds for both sides keeping risk down on their end and price down on the customer end, while reducing chances of rules fucking up.When things went well, they tested special characters with the Master Chief and more intense unit variations with Elites reducing health and increasing shields.War Games then came in, moving away from the 4v4 assumption to point buy.Brutes are the other end of the coin to the Elites of Spartan Equivalents and they used the Banished as that's a heavily Brute faction as well as due to the initial framework being vaguely Infinite era.ODSTs and Marines are then used to figure out balancing fodder units, while Noble Team breaks down the initial Infinite Era framing.Finally, you are here where they are iterating away from the initial Instant Action Multi-player direction with Campaign rules and probably testing out heavy, non-special characters with the Hunters.
Hey Anons, I'm doing some research. What would you want to see out of a hypothetical wargame set in a fantasy Age of Sail? Was digging through my old White Dwarf's recently and one of them was for the release of Dreadfleet, and apart from a gut-punch of nostalgia it got me inspired thinking about the setting. I've looked at Mantis' Armada but the models aren't sparking my imagination.
Ral Partha are working through their order backlog.>>98870473There's a couple of classic traveller grogs on the board but they probably wouldn't see your post here. We used to have regular Trav threads and they've come into my Trav adjacent threads and told me about Striker before.tl;drgo make a thread and they will probably turn up
>>98873817WellWind direction is a mustoptional fantastic featureslist of scenarios including out there fantasy ones like racing sky whalesmagic combat over weatheralso its personal but I would want just a list of common ship types everyone can take, my dwarves should be able to use galleys even if they are running ironclads normally because they are cheaper and work and my orks should be able to capture and use a fucking cruiser.
Does Gaslands have a pure racing variant/rule set? Beyond actually just removing combat from the game of course. I've been playing a lot of Gran Turismo lately.
>>98873817Pirates of the Spanish Main, but again. That game was my jam.
>>98873936Martian Racing Federation
>>98873936iirc the martian rules are more racing with less combat focused but >less guns in my racing isn't a thing I have ever considered personally.
>>98873936No, but there's a spinoff game called Martian Racing Federation which takes the game into an F-zero direction with barely controllable hovercars. It's in the same setting, but up on the decadent and not at all wartorn Mars, so it's purely racing.Instead of just putting down one template and moving along, you put multiple in a row and might lose control of your vehicle or knock out your drivet with g forces along the way.
>>98873817Couple of ideas strongly based on if its going to be a generic fantasy sailing wargame or if you're going to try and make it more unique. Either could be good, it just changes a lot of what I'd want to see. >general Movement rules with order cards and movement templates. Age of Sail boats were slow and ponderous, getting crew to do things or change what they were doing took time. Having to plan out your movement in a few steps and everyone going through those simultaneously would be a neat way to have the vibe of fleet strategy. Ship damage tracking takign into account rigging, above the water-line and below the waterline hits with different effects. Squadron movement options so you can play large fleet engagements without it bogging down too much. >specific Straight up alt-history the Spanish Armada had dragons and the english had fireballs or something gives you a lot of material to work with scenarios and campaigns already set up. It'll get a bit silly but its already fantasy age of sail. Unique fantasy setting. This one is hard mode and I don't know how to make that work but it'll have to be catching in a way that's hard to do with ships because its already zoomed out enough the details get abstracted. Generic base fleets with different ship sizes and a range of additional fantastical abilities to add on. Sea monsters and fantastical weather in all of the above cases though.
>>98862465Asymmetric Warfare has the best shooting combat Ive ever played, it mimics real life firefights as best I think you can on the tabletop. Which is fitting because it's a system meant for hyper realistic modern warfare and was made by actual military officers. I think to have good gunfighting rules, guns have to extremely lethal, where if you try to run at someone with a retarded nuclear hammer you'd just be shot like that scene Indiana jones - with the lethality being countered by cover and suppression rules, not by "armor" and bloated statlines and health bars
>>98874254>cont. An additional point, in Asymmetric Warfare guns have a "range interval" which means you shoot all the way across the tabl, but at certain intervals (every 18 inches for example) you chance of hitting something is decreased. So you can hit something across the table it you have sight, but your chance of hitting it is very small, conversely some jackass running at your with a power hammer at close range is guaranteed to get shot in the chest and drop. I also love the wound rules in AW, trying to simulation small unit tactics in modern warfare, getting shot or woundedt can instantly kill you or more likely will land you somewhere else on the wound chart, from a minor limb wound that requires you to stop the bleeding all the way to catastrophic wound that causes a dedicated medic with trauma kit to spend several trying to stabilize. Depending on would level you can either almost full recover in a turn or two or you can bleed to death, or if stabilized you will still need to be dragged off the table by another squad mate
>>98874286You are going to share the rulebook of this?Because I'm stuck with my tacticool game and need ideas.
>>98874296Sure, here it is >https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/458074/asymmetric-warfare
>>98874254>>98874286How miniatures agnostic is it? Hex and chit style? Just some assumptions on base size and overall shape of a mini? Or does it ask for some more detailed particulars?
>>98874389It's intended for squad to platoon sized ultra modern warfare, and I've seen people play it with 15-28mm models. Other than that it's completely agnostic
>>98874406How ultramodern are we talking? A more general Post-2000s combat, or have they tried to make rules to account for how drone warfare has evolved in Ukraine and the like?
>>98874421Ukraine drones are in the rules, and some near future stuff as well
>>98874421I've seen people gaming the Ukraine War with AW
Been working on some Space 1889 Martians, really like their brone age black powder aesthetic. Anyone know of other minis that got the same kind of look?
>>98874491Too soon
>>98873930>WindI was trying to think how to make this actually fun as a tabletop mechanic and couldn't work it out.>>98874004>Movement templatesInteresting idea. Looking at Armada's rules (haven't checked out Man O' War yet) it has your ships just move in a straight line then turn at the end, which doesn't seem right, but I suspect they probably bashed their heads against the wall trying to work out how to let players move in a curved line without it being too complicated or cumbersome. The other major thing they're missing is more stuff about crew numbers, as far as I can tell crew strength is just a stat that makes you better at boarding, you don't lose dudes in ranged combat. I'd maybe make the crew like a second health bar for your ship, let you send dudes off in rowboats to board or explore islands or escape a sinking ship for campaigns, shit like that. Maybe have damage tables for the ship and have one of the options be crew loss alongside losing your mast or taking on water. >SettingWell ghost pirates are a must, what's even the point of doing fantasy Age of Sail if you aren't gonna include them. I'm never able to come up with cool "default" human factions for my settings but I guess East India style merchantile assholes are the natural fit. The challenge is you can't really model the crew so all the personality has to come across in just the ships, which is tricky (Armada fails at this imo, and Dreadfleet succeeds but all of its ships are one-offs for their faction). But then, is it more interesting adapting the classic fantasy races to the water or coming up with new ones that fit more naturally to a nautical setting? Perchance.
>>98875228>is it more interesting adapting the classic fantasy races to the water or coming up with new ones that fit more naturally to a nautical setting?I'd come up with new ones. As much as I really did enjoy Dreadfleet, there's something both confining and anti-theme about applying the classic fantasy races to a sailing ships game. My aesthetic vision, at least, would lean more towards the exoticism that we associate with pirates, the colonial era, and wooden ships as an icon of adventure. >Human Empire, Spanish-inspired, treasure galleons of immense size >Human pirates>Ghost pirates >Cannibals who take to the seas in swarms of catamarans >Spooky Deep Ones with sea monster allies and dark magic That kind of stuff is what I'd want and expect from a fantasy ships game.
>>98874286I know this from the guy that used to work for Spectre, and Spectre decided to go the call of duty route with v3, so how different is AS from v1 and 2? I've been using spectre v2 to handle combat for 5p Planetfall and it be a good time. Well, aside from my scientists constantly getting eaten by turtles.
>>98874389>>98874296It's the continuation of SPECTRE's 2nd edition ruleset. The people who own the brand decided to fire the rules guy and go more Warhammer with the game, he took the rules with him when he left. There's rules for assorted /awg/ stuff in SPECTRE, including John Wick, the Predator, zombies, and "The Visitor" which is a mind-controlling alien with wallhacks. It's all convertible with minimal effort. There's also a French guy on Youtube who's made an extensive Tarkov hack for the game, along with a solo mode and some COBRA-style cartoony villains for his campaign. SPECTRE made the edition shift right before the Ukraine war popped off, so 2e doesn't reflect some of the lessons learned in the last few years.>>98874286The thing I like most about the wound rules is that they lead to real-world priorities for the player. Elite operators are always worth patching up because they'll still be effective if it's light, and they're worth it to preserve the VP even if they're only barely ambulatory. Cartel 'banger #14 isn't worth the pack of gauze. It encourages proper recon-by-grenade indoors even if grenades are incredibly dangerous when things go tits-up. And vees are fucking horrifying, a Bradley or a van bomb can control an entire board as long as nobody can lock it with a Javelin or a drone strike.>>98874421It goes from the Pulp/Interwar era straight through 2030, essentially. The rules start to break down in periods before automatic weapons and grenades are commonplace, and the author has been actively using consultants from combat zones to develop new rules. Notably, it has decent rules for civvies and covert ops. You can just as easily game out the North Hollywood gunfight or Leon Kennedy trying to exfiltrate a VIP through a mob of zombies and brainworm cultists.If anything, I'd say its biggest weakness has been the lack of downsides for going on Overwatch, and how few published example scenarios they've put out for new players.
>>98875517>It's the continuation of SPECTRE's 2nd edition rulesetNTA but I've been interested in Spectre Outbreak. Which version of spectre is that compatible with? Or is the zombies expansion bad? I've been interested in (the good version) of Spectre. And Outbreak and "Out of Time"Mostly because "out of time" looks like I can have a "one rules system to cover them all" if that makes sense.
>Warlord Games' New Kingdom Egyptians275€ MSRP: x36 Warriors, x36 Archers, x4 Chariots.>James Workslop's Nehekhara reinforcements175€ MSRP: x36 Warriors, x36 Archers, x6 Chariots.Fuck Warlord as an "alternative". The /hwg/ WG hater was right all along!
>>98875228>I was trying to think how to make this actually fun as a tabletop mechanic and couldn't work it out.Wind literally MUST be there its the very core of age of sail naval warfare.I have thought about this topic myself for a while and I think it could work if the players had the control over it. As in, weather mages constantly fighting over which way the winds should blow to best benefit their dudes. Of course there are also windless propulsion systems but rowing should limit the number of crew you can use for abbordage. Dwarfs probably would just build a steamship and be done with that bullshit.
How does Stargrave compares to Frostgrave? I wanted to run the last one but it requires a lot of minis variety that I don't have for Fantasy but aplenty for Sci-Fi. Also we tried Five Parsecs From Home this summer and it was a bit too much pre-game paperwork for us if that helps (rolling for patrons, pay, mission, enemies, complications, bonus, etc).
>>98875501Asymmetric Warfare is just Spectre v2 with slightly streamlining tweaks and a massively updated list of equipment based off stuff in the Ukraine War and potential near future engagements.>>98875553Those are for the Warhammerified Spectre v3, which shares nothing at all with Spectre v1 and v2 except the name.
>>98875606Warlord Games is dogshit for very reason, their toys are incredibly overpriced despite being genuinely inferior quality. They are worse than Games Workshop. >>98875835It's just a reskinned Frostgrave. It's a very fun game, but unfortunately it keeps the same problem they makes Frostgrave unenjoyable, which is the D20 combat system.
>>98875898I've heard some anon says the D20 kept the game bouncy enough so you ranking up victory after victory doesn't de facto make you win the whole campaign as other players still have a chance to come back at you with a lucky roll.
>>98872934Board seems fuck tiny for the amount of minis. Is this convenant vs covenant?
>>98876068Seems like a dumb cope to justify swingyness. It obviously wasn't the author intent because he tried to minimize it with switching to D10s with Silver Bayonet. It's dumb cope because even in a D6 system you can kill the most powerful foe by rolling a 6. Even if that was the intent with the D20 system, it still doesn't change the fact that it's awkward and unintuitive to play and generally not very fun compared to most other games combat. Like I said, I like the xgrave system of games, especially Silver Bayonet, but the combat is its biggest weakness
>>98876864Baseline they started with is 4 Spartans vs 4 Spartans. Fodder like the grunts and jackals will be cheaper that will allow for more units under the points system, but you aren't reaching excessive numbers. They give a lot of minis so that one box can build both sides forces while having a bit of extra that allows for at least some customization rather than making both rigid if you're using one box for both players.
>>98876938Do you recommend switching to D10 like the author tried with Silver Bayonet or did that failed to fix the problem?
>>98875228I'd make every ship have its own movement templates (or access to certain groups based on the manoeuvrability). And have the wind direction allow or disallow certain templates. For example if the wind is against you, you can only do very short straight forward moves, but long curves to the side are allowed. You'd need some actual experience with sailing to make plausible movement for this I think.I also think rules and scenarios for coastal bombardment would be great. Personally I don't give too much of a shit about lining up some fleets and rolling dice until one side is at the bottom. And nobody wants to play the side getting T-crossed so fleet battles are always going to be symmetric which is boring.
>>98875889>Those are for the Warhammerified Spectre v3Not even the good kind of Warhammer that even some /awg/tists here say was good like older editions? Either way I am a bit saddened that is the case.Do you by chance know of a wargame that is a wargame equivalent of a "universal TTRPG system?"
>>98877537>Do you by chance know of a wargame that is a wargame equivalent of a "universal TTRPG system?"Hordes of the Things maybe ?
>>98877257>For example if the wind is against you, you can only do very short straight forward movesYou cannot sail directly into the wind, and in the age of sail no ship can sail in like a 45° angle from the wind. Nowadays super high performance racing rigs can get like 30° to the wind, but it's pretty much impossible in the Age of Sail. The only boats that would sail head on would be oarred vessels, which would have to go through the length process of stowing all their sails first, and it would be extremely slow moving because they are moving again wind that's pushing them backwards.In fact, square rigged vessels of the era that tried directly into the wind would actually start moving backwards. Fore/aft ships like schooners or sloop would be caught in irons and their sails would just flap violently in the wind and they're be dead in the water until the wind turns them back to an angle where their sails can catch enough wind to regain some forward movement. During this time they would be vulnerable and it would mean certain death if it happened during a battle. No captain would let this happen.
>>98877537Isn't Hobgoblin like that?
>>98877592>Hobgoblin Proof that Gaslands was a fluke and the author doesn't actually know how to make a decent game
>>98877592"universal" means it must be capable of running from stone age grugs to space aliens from outer space. Hobgoblin is not universal.
>>98877599I've never played it but I read you can customize every part of a unit to the point where the game becomes a bit bland.
Fascinated by Twilight. Just one guy(?) working away on his own world
>>98877537>Do you by chance know of a wargame that is a wargame equivalent of a "universal TTRPG system?"There are a few but they're inherently limited by having to abstract the differences in how modern firearms changed things quite a bit. The Portable Wargame Companion is fun, its simple but easy to adapt to whatever era, add dragons or hover tanks. Horde of the Things is the fantastical De Bellis Antiquitatis, not sure if anyone's made a futuristic war version but its not too difficult to put together I suspect. Lion, Dragon and Xenos Rampant are all interrelated generics with shared rules although Xenos gets different enough its not exactly compatible. Not the worst, not the best, has some command friction mechanics that are divisive. I haven't played Universal Soldier since I was a kid, old RAFM generic wargame. Its from the 70s so it'll feel like it, but its neat to look at.
>>98877648Same. Don't care much for his gungan hyperfixation but I'll start collecting his fauna next year to populate my tables.
>>98877672>Horde of the Things is the fantastical De Bellis Antiquitatis, not sure if anyone's made a futuristic war version but its not too difficult to put together I suspect.Its not needed.Laserers ? Shooters.Spaceship ? Dragon.Assault mech ? God.You have everything you need there already.
>>98877674I always like a pack beast but unfortunately this one is sold out
>>98877697Yeah, I recall it at the back of the book, wasn't sure if someone has made a more specific version like how they did for different eras like the Renaissance or 1700s-1920s books. I understand you can use HoTT as is, but like most wargaming, very little of what we do is just about what one >needs
>>98877569>>98877257>ship movement and points of sail It is hard not to get autistic about this but I will try. Movement templates based on ship class could work. It gets into the messyness of ship classes but that can be made into 4 categories so we can move on with our lives. Breaking points of sail down into 4 groups of >Irons, rowing only, shortest measurement on template >Upwind, 30 degree angle from front of ship base, number of tacks based on class >Abeam, 10 degree angle from front of ship base for leeward motion >Downwind, no deviationand it roughly works without getting into the minutia of points of sail, true wind, boat wind, apparent wind, gusts, lifts, headers, sailing by the lee, wind shadow, trim, reefing, etc. So a set of templates for each class keeps it to one rowing template per class with distance based on point of sail, and 3 templates per class for the other points. Classes could be simplified into 1st Rate (large, slow, many guns), Ships of the Line (medium, average, still has decent guns), Frigates (I know this is already fucked because what constitutes a friggate and what sort is messy but its not worth getting into for a fantasy game, faster, lighter) and sloops/schooners/cutters (fastest, lightest) and then the different factions can have different things that change the movement rules. I am already failing at not being autistic and we haven't gotten into if and how wind speed effects movement. I like the template idea because it makes it easy to build in preplanned movement and avoids protractors but its getting cluttered.
>>98862316How is Wargames Atlantic's Death Fields wargame? And when will the heavy infantry for the damned come out? Also I can't for the love of myself find good 28mm heroic scale zombie STLs that have similar design ques like the WGA zombies in just wearing rags so they can fit in as many different settings/genres as possible.
>>98874547Oh man I've been wanting to see someone work on these for a while. How do they scale with other 25-28mm minis? Reaper for example? Is RPL selling them yet? As for similar aesthetics, there's the tekumel project. Not sure if anything is still in production tho... Contacted him a year ago and he said he might open during the summer.
What are the best /awg/ if I intend to just buy 3D prints from people selling prints (finished prints, not the STLs).
>>98878384Pretty much any. There's so many STLs out there for every flavor to choose from. And there's a lot of sellers that'll print out what you want. It comes down to what flavor of game are you looking for.
So is OPR just not going to release their so called annual update this month or what?
>>98877648It's interesting this never caught on like Quar did
>>98878920Quar's been around for around 20 years or something though
>>98878920Quar really only caught on recently because of the plastic kits.
>>98877257>Personally I don't give too much of a shit about lining up some fleets and rolling dice until one side is at the bottom. As a 40kiddie I was picturing more dense terrain setups in my head while reading the thread, lots of islands and rocks to skulk around. While these anons >>98877784>>98877569Are clearly more on the boat-autism side of things and therefore naturally gravitated away from the arcade gameplay-first and into systems that- respectfully- sound miserable to actually play if you just want to do some fun kitchentable games. I like the movement templates as a middle-ground between having full rotational control and having to get out the string and protractor every movement phase.>>98875498>Cannibals who take to the sea in swarms of catamaransGetting called racist is really just free publicity nowdays anyway.
>>98878499they made a post a few days ago saying it's coming this week, speculation is that it'll be on the 29th when they do their streamhttps://onepagerules.com/news/game-update-3-6-launching-next-week
>>98878499>annual updatewhy does every wargame want to be 40k these days
>>98880500OPR's entire purpose is being GW crap for disillusioned GW fanboys. They only just started pretending that they're their own distinct thing.
>>98878920It never will if they do not invest in plastic miniatures
>>98880500Because that is where the vast majority of players (and their wallets) are located.Why would any wargaming company not want to be like GW? Why would any company not like to have a money printing machine like 40k?
>>98880500Seems like people love rules churn these days, they think it keeps their games fresh.
>>98880500Because people are addicted to hype.We stop bullying them into suicide and as a result entire industries operate like a fucking live service model.
>>98878160I only skimmed it, looked uninteresting and might have been one of those moments where the business forgot what their deal was >making off brand 40k kits and briefly thought they were their own thing.
>>98879583Check out tMan O'War, its a bit overly fiddly but is very kitchen table (with some side tables because there's a lot of cards and junk). It does terrain and fleet battles without becoming historical recreation. The difficult space is making some mechanics that are boat movement evocative and add meaningful gameplay choices, tactics and strategy, without becoming more than landlubbers can handle. Sailing is hard to simplify because it has so many simultaneous variables so its a challenging thing to pull off. It could be kept fairly clean with just >wind speed, wind direction, boat direction, boat class but you're already at 3 more things than most people's brains want to deal with for fun that are different enough from any way they've ever had to move in the world its a hard sell.
Alright Anons I'm trying to find a specific Redwall inspired skirmish game. It was shilled on the board a while ago and I can't find it again but you had things like Bat Inquisitors and a Spider Cult that has enslaved Ants to its weird religion. It's not Burrows and Badgers.
>>98878160Read it and the only thing interesting is the stress mechanic. Biggest issue is that the WGA site requires you to use the shopping cart to download the fucking rules.
>>98878920I believe the lore on the subject as I understand it is.>GW delayed the release of a model>delay caused warhammer youtuber to lose their content for their scheduled video to feed the algorithm hamster wheel>they needed algorithm fulfillment content to keep up their monetization income>saw they got some quar on a whim, so made a video on that so they could keep up on gaming the algorithm hamster wheel system Being a GW youtuber they had a decent sized audience and it brought Quar from obscurity to the public mind. If it wasn't for that incident Quar would still be quite obscure.
>>98873817DREADLEEEEET!
>>98880807Iirc the quar guy was so thankfull he let him put in his own Quar faction, I think its Gloam Hyyn
>>98881004>>98880807And then everyone on the stream clapped.Source? I was that faction.THE END
>>98881028https://zombiesmith.com/clash-of-rhyfles-gloam-hyyn-rhyflers/Anon thats literally what happened.
>>98881286Gloamers make me think of worm handlers from Nausicaa.
Can quar stay in a separate containment thread like it aaaalmost did this time?
>>98881571Just because you have a unhealthy rent free seeth about Quar, it doesn't change the fact that it is a alternative war game and this is the alternative war game general.
>>98881624It's hilarious he's so mad he even made a thread for us.>>98881571How about a deal, we stay in a containment general if you get to be the threadbaker. You have to follow quar news and monitor the thread for next thread's pic. if you fail to make a thread we come back here. What do you say king
>>98881571Can we move warmawhatever to a different thread too then? I don't care for it and we're already being petulant.
>>98879233No, it's because gays and shit found some anthro sock-puppet rainbow skinned army men and got all soiface about it.
>>98881571The game itself is fine. Some of the posters I've seen here..... not so much.
>>98881571quar is peak /awg/.
>>98880807>If it wasn't for that incident Quar would still be quite obscure.eh, not sure about that, wasn't the plastics already in the works?anyway, it's funny how that video fucking popped off for the guy
>>98881691You're not gonna keep that deal so you can keep spamming and you know it, bong.
>>98863058>You are WRONG!>*provides no further explanation*Guess I'm right then.
>>98881571>>98882529Do you people just go around looking for things to be mad at on here, what is there even to be mad about here. Your post and its direct replies are more numerous than all Quar posts previously made in the thread. >>98880747I've been looking at the rules for Man O' War as well, I like their template system (picrel) where you can aim at different bits of the ship with different success modifiers. I also like Dreadfleets idea of having random damage cards, like a cannonball can randomly kill your first mate or your steering wheel, its a natural extension of the damage tables for vehicles you had in old-school 40k. I think I'm gonna make a google doc that lose interest in after a few days and never return to.
>>98883491This template is a bit retarded. In an actual broadside naval volley literally every cannon will be aimed at the opponent gundeck or just below the waterline. No one will be aiming at the focsle except some swivel guns on the deck
>>98883652Kek this >enemy has thirty point blank 32lb broadsides pointed directly at my hull >Quick, let's aim for his mast, so he cant get awa-*BLAM*
>>98883652>>98883762Well yea, in a full broadside-vs-broadside encounter at close range. But I think any fun game would have the opportunity to take potshots longer-range, or have situations where you only have a couple of cannons worth of firepower, or stuff like picrel, the triple guns from Pirates of the Carribean on the front of the ship. Plus weird fantasy weapons. IRL they had chainshots specifically to take out masts and grapeshot to clear the deck of crew so its not much of a stretch.
>>98882529None of these is the correct potatoe, the correct potatoe is always Golden Banana.
We're possibly starting Thaw Of The Lich Lord tomorrow.
>>98884329You could also play battletech with those.
>>98884329Which one is the lich lord ?
>>98880807>If it wasn't for that incidentThere are so many games out there I'm always surprised what does and does not get traction.I'm still trying to understand how Trench Crusade isn't vaporware when it doesn't even have official minis outside of a partial selection of STL files and 90% kitbashing, but somehow got it's own category slot in all the FLGS websites. Like it somehow out-GrimDerp'd 40K for the same audience.Meanwhile Firelock 198X is equal parts Peak and Obscure, and it's never going to take off because it's a wargame being developed by an actual Tanker, and is doing something original with soulful artwork and lore and even has all it's official books formatted as they would be in-universe.
>>98884404>it's never going to take off because ...Not having officially designed minis and not trying to ride the "muh alternative to 40k" wave doesn't help either. Firelock is really a different kind of game than what's mainstream.TC also got big because of the artist and le grimderp 40k killer. I think it has official minis now too, but I don't know who cares about that since whatever that blunder the company did with the STLs and stuff.
>>98884404>vaporwave>https://youtu.be/q7v9zazGZ9Q?si=I7Vl5yoHz2AVFyAA
>>98884404TC has a selection of official plastic minis too nowadays. But yeah, I agree to wonder why that game got that big
>>98884404>developed by an actual TankerHow does this translate into a good game? Is it a realistic game about tank warfare? Maybe it is. And maybe that guy knows a lot about that in particular, but fun to play wargames need abstraction, and just because a guy has served in the military does not automatically make me assume a sci-fi game he wrote is somehow good.>SoulfulSure. Other games tick that box too tho.He needs to invest into marketing. Heavily. Not only from influencers, but also literal LGS. If nobody stocks his books (do they even exist in physical form?), why should anyone bother?Take 5 parsecs from home as an example. It's a mediocre game all things considered. It benefited from the pandemic, but it also only got "big" Nordic weasel teamed up with modiphius, which translates into access to their marketing.
>>98884799>He needs to invest into marketing.Or maybe instead of marketing the wargame they need to invest into making Brigador Killers a decent vidya, and then more people will come and learn about firelock.
>>98862746these are lovely. i've never heard about sf3d before.
>TQTomb Kings for OPR.Casket of Souls is next on the printer.
>>98885063forgot pic
>>98884397None, this is just my warband
>>98885063Apparently this is a Yugioh thing.
Does anyone know/play Wargods of Aegyptus/Olympus/Hyperborea by Crocodile Games?I stumbled upon their site, the minis are kinda cool in a retro style, but they update the store once every few years and it kinda looks like a dead game, before ordering I would like to know if I'm wrong or not.
>>98884329blood on the snow is a nice touch thaw is a great straight forward campaign. post board shots when you play>>98884334kek
>>98885069>>98885425What's your printer?
>>98884784if you never followed, the artist had been drawing the art for a while, not officially TC but effectively TC. They dropped at the right time, with covid peaking hobby interest. Skirmish rules are more accessible for beginners. Oh also they had a massive marketing company /guerilla/ market it
>>98885500Bambu A1I'm currently using the 0.4 nozzle though because I'm impatient and to be honest, it's good enough for infantry blocks and bases.
>>98885441Its a garage operation with most minis getting sold in cons in California.You will not find any players of this game in the wild but the minis are nice.
>>98885515Those miniatures came out from that?They look pretty good for a non-resin printer...
>>98885582Layer lines aren't as bad as they used to be. They would look better if I had used the 0.2 nozzle but that would also double print times. I'll print the genie on the highest settings and post it, but that will take a while.
>>98885630it helps that he sculpts them with the intent to be 3d fdm printed.
>>98885742Yes, supportless minis are the shit.
>>98885535>You will not find any players of this game in the wildSadness. How are the rules? Is there any difference between the factions or are they just different aesthetics but the same profiles?
>>98886118Sorry I am just repeating info I obtained in these threads.
>>98883652>In an actual broadside naval volley literally every cannon will be aimed at the opponent gundeck or just below the waterline.Ball, bar, chain and grape shot all went different places for different reasons. Different gundecks or even firing order would have different loads depending on engagement strategy, goals and doctrine. >>98883787Weird weapons and missions with specific goals like >capture the other ship's wizard and sacrifice him to posidon are for sure where to go with a fantasy naval game. Going in a different directon but you could zoom it in so there's 1-2 ships per side and boarding craft so the movement doesn't get too complicated and boarding actions are more skirmish battle like to add the fantastical.
>>98883652Half of the factions dont even have cannons
>>98872934>just revealedWay old news anon
>>98886841It was announced this very month.I'd understand your response if anon said it and the thing was already on sale for over a year.
>>98886650>factions
>>98887208Hi Ken! Man O War was "fleets" iirc.
How asinine are randomly generated factions to you?As in, all generated via charts and random rolls in the same way as in MAID rpg and some variation of Realms of Chaos.
>>98887558How do they relate to the game? Does it frame army lists or is it more flavour only? Do the results of the generation have
hit post, my bad. >>98887589... mechanical effects? Am I generating these once per game or per campaign or what? Is it automated or not? How many tables are we talking about? Ralms of Chaos was very cool but also very cumbersome.
>replying to ai postsha, couldn't be me
>>98887606I was thinking you make the faction once, and then work with it. Been toying with it for a while, like in an urban skirmish where your faction's methodology of play varied on this, where there's a general scenario goal but your faction has unique ways of gaining points such as having your leader amass kills or only getting points if you slay foes in hand to hand combat.Admittedly, part of this is borne from missing the kingdom under fire series and having each unit led by a charismatic spaz that you only only loosely control.
>>98887877>I was thinking you make the faction once, and then work with it.That is a lot more feasible, the design space for randomly generated factions has lot of conversion and kitbashing potential. Not familiar with Kingdom Under Fire but command friction mechanics are contentious. I don't necessarily mind them as long as its not too swingy but figuring out how to include them with ways players can plan around what happens if one of their units acts unexpectedly is key.
Some more Steel Rift. I just fucked this game right up and got trashed so not much to say.
>>98887944The biggest issue I've had with the rules is that other models don't block line of sight so you get silly situations like this where four mechs can stack up to lay out firepower on one dude. It makes you vulnerable to blast weapons sure but it's easy to get around that unless someone walks into the bowling alley on purpose.
So I just got this model and it comes with a variant hand holding a laser pistol instead of a skull. I like the idea, but don't really have any games where that would make sense. What games would that make sense in?
>>98884799>How does this translate into a good game?Shitloads of playtesting and years of development. It started as homebrew in the Brigador discord, which is full of military nerds. Firelock is fantasy as run by military nerds, it's a fantasy world that's been bootstrapped into the nuclear age as the main guy's worldbuilding project. It's been 99% Tabletop Simulator battles so far.There are official minis. Tanks are all kitbashing alternative history."Good" just means it's doing something well that's actually different or interesting. Half the game is built around well thought out fog of war mechanics, a lot of uncertainty is built into decision making on maneuvers and positioning rather than just the uncertainty of dice rolls, with the other half being high lethality. It's not super-simulationist unlike other military-bent wargames, actual mechanics aren't complicated, the "realism" is mostly in the information aspect of warfare. The guy developing it is aiming for a very modern warfare approach over more classic open-information wargame designs.
>>98888633any warhammer derivative. (OPR, Xenos, etc)
>>98888633>>98888698Yeah, WH fantasy used to have a faction of Amazons who were the descendents of space Alien explorers, crashed in the jungle, who still had some ray guns passed down from generation to generation. Their model line looked very much like this one - a woman wearing big feathers and a tribal outfit, but she's got a laser.
>>98888633to pile on games this would work for,any sci-fi skirmish campaign games? Looking for a new game to play with my play group. Not super interested in stargrave as we played frostgrave last.
>Father>As the means for sending a message from even the outskirts of Felstad home to Challaine are quite uncertain, and I am not sure if you have received my previous letters, let me begin by reassuring you that I am alive and well, as are your blood children, both Tilran and Poleen. This is will be the fourth letter I have sent, and I have been in the frozen city for forty six days. It has been an exhilarating adventure. I know that you can only think of your children in danger, but know that we are taking every precaution reasonable. I am, after all, well equipped to foresee dangers.>One can hardly survive in my line of work without paying heed to signs and portents. For days now, they have foretold a great danger. Shapes in wisps of smoke, patterns in my tea leaves, and the calls of blood crows all tell of danger ahead. Poleen and Tilran both say this tells us nothing, because Felstad is a dangerous place. I have tried to explain that the magic sheds light on changes, but to no avail. Worse, this danger is not just to me. My apprentice, my captain, and the soldiers who fight for me - but also strangers in the taverns outside the city and even a passing feral cat. I have to conclude that whatever threat is coming is a threat to all of us. >This life I have chosen has its hardships, to be sure. I left the life of a pampered court mage, a Siaz of Challaine, but I can't come to regret my decision. In a few short weeks of strife and exploration my magic has expanded further than it did in the entire year before it arrived. When I return I will surely be the only candidate for Archmage. Two or three more months of this will see my position all but guaranteed. And Poleen and Tilran will be able to claim a place at the forefront of the army. Poleen will have her crown someday, I am sure.>Curious. The sun is dimming.
>>98888734>-later->What an adventure, father! It was an eclipse, the moon passed in front of the sun. As soon as I saw it coming, I raced to my divinations, to see what I could discover in this new context. As I suspected, the flow of magic had changed, and it unveiled new mystic treasures tangled in its skeins. I hastened to their location through the alleys of this frozen city with my siblings and our hearth-troops at our side, but we weren’t the only ones there.
>>98888734starting the betting pool on who dies first.
>>98888741>nother wizard, a summoner I know by the name of Malakor, had raced to the same confluence of magic, and our troops clashed under the fading light of an eclipse. I felt something odd, a tingling in my fingers. There were five treasures scattered about this crossroads, and Malakor and I approached from opposite directions. He cast his troops wide, while I remembered what you had taught me, and had Tilran keep ours tight, like driving a nail into wood. >>98888743>One of my local hires, a self proclaimed treasure hunter who was really a mere common thief, took a crossbow bolt and died. He was on the far side of a wall from me at the time.
>>98888751>I knew that the treasure that lay beneath the fallen tree would be the greatest, and sent our troops for that. In the dark of the eclipse, against a clangor of battle, there was a moment where I cast a spell greater than I ever had. I dominated the mind of a werewolf, father! Willful creatures that they are, it still bent to serve me. Though one of Malakor’s servants cut it down with a sword before long, it was still exhilarating, to control such a powerful creature. With mystic incense giving me sights of the future I was able to keep my troops alive, and eventually we escaped the clash. I acquired two fascinating tomes - one a book of chronomancy that I hope to be able to learn at least one new spell from, the other a fascinating text on creatures referred to as “Ragnifiers”. I shall return with this tome, to have it copied into the Archmage’s library. >I have much more to tell you, but the wanderer who offers to carry mail for coin is here and tapping his foot impatiently, so I shall compose another letter. TIlran and Poleen send my love, as do I. >Your daughter by choice>Runa Archmage to be
>>98888759Put some masking tape on the bottom of those roads to stick them together during the game so they're not all sliding around. Takes a few minutes to apply and costs pennies
>>98888633>What games would that make sense in?Any game, really.Turnip, Warhammer, x-rampant, open combat, it's just a lady in a coat with a pistol but looking like a posh hobo.
>>98888759fuckin great pull for the first map, get yourself a reindeer stat. loved mine. ill read your letters.
>>98888977Soon as l can find an appropriate mini for one. Got any suggestions?
>>98888734I hate how 25mm bases force everyone to stand so far apart. I first started using 20mm circles in Spectre Ops because the rules call for it so your squad can "stack up" and I have never gone back. It medieval it makes even more sense to have dudes able to go shoulder to shoulder. I wonder when 25mm circles became the standard? I suspect it has to do with Warhammer
>>98889030It fits better with how in D&D everyone stands five feet from the next guy.
Anyone else sign up for the /wip/ secret Santa this year? I asked to be paired with another /awg/ guy if possible, I hope I'm not the only one haha
>>98889030It gives you room to swing a sword around and shuffle away when someone swings a sword at you. Generally those aren't as much of a concern for guys with guns or something like pikemen, but for a small band that isn't standing in a tight formation, it makes more sense to have more room between allies
>>98889005Couldn't really find anything I really liked, besides the official mini. For thaw mission...5? where you need a pack of them I tried to find something. Settled on these, vae victis beastwarriors. Just beast men, but they hit it close enough for me.
>>98889049i joined as well, but sorry my awgga, i also collect main stream stuff and it was on my list as well.
>>98888759Good post, i liked how you evoked the tone of the setting.
>>98885630The >faction so farI'm going to print banners and more spear guys next and then do the genie.
>>98890094Thanks. Might do this for the whole Thaw Of The Lich Lord campaign as we play through it.
>>98890185Maybe I should get a filament printer.
>>98885425Yeah its got that millennium eye thing so you can summon dark magic sluts
>>98891431Incredibly based of it!
>>98880807>gw delays accidentally propped up an awg because of...a youtuber?you can't make this shit up
>>98891607Buddy, that's nothing next to the absurdities that have hit MtG in the past few years.What was once an absurd web comic joke is now actual standard legal shit in the game.
>>98891903Web comic joke?
>>98891922>https://www.tumlook.com/cardboard-cracksomewhere on this you can find it, they all look so samey because of the 4-panel black and white stick figure approach.But, going from memory, one player plays spongebob squarepants, the next responds with iron mans repulsor, then the other taps a double whopper and the other then finally responds with a spiderman (i think this is the sequence)the observer then asks "what game is this?" and the players respond "Magic the gathering, obviously! How could you not tell?"The joke was at the time that these things would be absurd, i believe this was in response t the first walking dead tv show release of 5 cards, the toe dipped into the outside ip waters.But now? all of those things except the burger king whopper are actual fucking cards, some of them legal in the current standard competitive environment.
>>98891922>>98892009Of course I find after saying I give up, immediately too.I recalled it somewhat wrong, but for the iron man and whopper.Nonetheless, the point stands, the game has become the joke.
>>98892009>>98892020kekkypoo
>>98889049I signed up.
What awg has the biggest chance of eventually getting its own general?
>>98892939I would say Halo flashpoint. It's got a recognizable brand behind it and it's getting proper Covenant minis now.
>>98892977Not likely at all anon, get a grip.
>>98893006
>>98892939Their own general in a serious way? OPR could if they made a go of it but they get a running head start compared to most other games. Not sure if the Starcraft game counts, it feels like it just started on its own but I might have missed it. Smaller games that are popular tend to get them for a bit while the creative juices are flowing and people are excited. Those smaller games don't have constant development churn cycles like gw games and aren't built on that sort of business model, thankfully, so after a while people have played it out and it falls off. That's okay. Not everything needs a general.
>>98873817The old Spartan Uncharted Seas game was fucking great and much more hackable / expandable than dreadfleet or armada. worth checking out.
>>98892977I'm really glad Mantic finally got a breakout hit with any FLGS presence. They had genuinely good rules, playtesting, tournaments, etc, and it's been run by people who actually play their own games and want people to play more games. For all the GW-bitching I honestly thought they'd be bigger than they were.
conan tabletop war game when
>>98892939The next grimdark YouTube slop ala TC.
>>98893539make it, i'd play. one plays the heroes, small band vs enemies with larger horde feel maybe? encapsulate that conan combat feel
>>98893539I think the beta rules for the CROM game is still floating around out there.
>>98893539Conan is really more suited to a tabletop RPG than a wargame. There's only one Conan story with notable big battles, the rest is pretty much all 1-2 heroes protecting a damsel in distress from wizards, black men, or the monster of the week. And if you expand it to a more general "wargame where I can play cool big barbarians" there's options. Pillage would work.
>>98893539After the GOR miniatures game.
>>98893782I unironically think gor is good fantasy and I like the first 5 novels
>>98893539Celtos already did it. Maybe mix in some chronopia minis too..
>>98893818Yeah the first 5 or 6 are good but after that... no thanks.That cult culture that sprang up because of the later books is fucked.
>>98890185The genie. I ran into problems with my 0.2 nozzles, so I had to use the standard 0.4 nozzle on highest settings. Still pretty good I'd say. I'll put gloss nail varnish on his dome where layer lines are most visible.>>98891015Give it a go, the Bambu A1 Mini is very cheap and gets good results. The worst that could happen is that you never have to buy bases and movement trays ever again. Or terrain.
>>98894200Damn, FDM printers are getting really good.
>>98894200>the Bambu A1 Mini is very cheap and gets good results.NTA, but I plan to buy a 3d printer this Christmas, for printing various stuff included minis.I've heard there was a problem with the Bambu machines due to some shenanigans the company pulled (I don't remember the specific).If I want to print pirated STL, will I be able to do it?
Here's the Tomb Ki- I mean Mummified Undead. Who should they fight against? I got plenty of STLs for Orcs, Chaos Warriors and Bretonnians.>>98894240No idea, but be sure to get the A1 mini if you go for a Bambu printer. I got the regular A1 and the build plate is too big if you only use it for minis and the occasional terrain piece.Sure, you'll find most stuff on Tellygram. Be warned though, 95% of STLs are made with resin printers in mind.
>>98894250>but be sure to get the A1 mini if you go for a Bambu printer.>Sure, you'll find most stuff on Tellygram. Be warned though, 95% of STLs are made with resin printers in mind.Got it, thanks!
>>98894250Can you take a closer picture of one of the regular infantry models?
>>98888650>15mmI thought this game was intended for smaller, at most 10mm scale. Pleasant surprise.I hope one day they'll sell STLs of their minis.
>>98893956Luckily for you, there's infinite feminist fantasy you can consoom instead
>>98894343I printed the last batch of spear guys with a couple of layers of their 20mm base. The bed adhesion of only the feet wasn't strong enough.
>>98894250>>98894429I'll add a Sphinx and three Great Snakes to the army and I'll sit at almost 1500 points for Regiments. Though that might take a while to print.
>>98894429Really good quality for FDM.
the only way for /awg/ to win
>>98894767>decided to play 40k instead of playing better gamesI'm not gonna lie. I have a sinking feeling that this sentiment has raised my standards to the point where I'll never feel satisfied if I play an actual /awg/ game on tabletop simulator or even in real life. I do like the 40k setting. I'm not into the rules as I've been into other alternative systems.Also which one of you anons put in "alternative rules" into the /40kg/ OP? Was it one of you?
>>98894777>sentiment has raised my standards to the point where I'll never feel satisfied if I play an actual /awg/ game on tabletop simulator or even in real life.What? Rewrite this sentence in a way that doesn't make you look like an ESL.
>>98894783>ESLI've always wonder if that is supposed to be an insult or an admission of mental retardation.
>>98888759Great work anon, I like your choice of writing the batrep as a letter, please do more.>>98889030I base all my pre-1890 and fantasy minis on 20mm squares as it helps them rank up better and means they look like a reasonable unit when formed up, instead of a gaggle of men loosely grouped. My friend hates it but admits it does look better than his 25mm rounds.
i think the monks are my favourite barons war set so far
>>98889030>>98894914NTA. I did the math a little while ago, and tight black powder era formations as you're trying to model would most likely be rare in pre-modern battlefields (but fine or even still too loose for black powder battles). Converting the distances to the tabletop, the 25mm base to base is actually tighter than most formations of antiquity.So for max autism, the conclusion IIRC was something like 15-20mm for black powder era and 25-30mm for linear warfare prior to that, to represent the tight-to-standard formation of the time.And in an ultra-modern context, stacking up essentially cannot be modelled accurately short of replacing the models with a special stack multibase. Even a 20mm base is still two guys nut to butt./tism
tism not over>>98889030>It medieval it makes even more sense to have dudes able to go shoulder to shoulder.To clarify, medieval combatants most likely did NOT fight shoulder to shoulder. This gives them insufficient room to fight. They appear to have squeezed together when facing bow or horse though, essentially trading offense for defense and morale.
>>98894783>What? >Rewrite this sentence in a way that doesn't make you look like an ESL.I don't know what made me look like an ESL. I'll assume you aren't trolling in the pretending to be dumb kind of trolling which is done by dummies.Anons preach that alternative wargames are better than even the best Warhammer 40k mainline wargame editions. This has set my expectations high I might inevitably be disappointed when I finally play a wargame that isn't by Games Workshop.>>98894796It is hard to tell. Actual ESLs are using ESL as an insult now because someone wrote too many words.
>>98894392You're a moron.
So with Dragon baits retirement sale does all his mold have a home once its over?
>>98895126>This has set my expectations high I might inevitably be disappointed when I finally play a wargame that isn't by Games Workshop.This is true, people do exaggerate how bad GW is (which becomes especially egregious considering that GW actually does make some really good games that just happen to be condemned to, or perhaps blessed with, "GW specialist games" status) compared to a lot of alternative wargames. But it makes sense if you look at other traditional games: A lot of TTRPG players will overhype how good their preferred game is and exaggerate how bad D&D is simply because exaggeration catches people's attention and is more likely to get people to make a switch that's potentially outside of their cushy comfort zone/corporate ecosystem. Same happens here, because anons are trying to compete for your attention against games workshop, the giant of the wargaming industry that has so much (often free) advertising via cultural dominance that it can feel almost impossible to get anyone's attention if you aren't shouting at everyone that the giant is bad, actually. It's marketing, anon. Pure and simple.The real answer as to why you should play AWG is simply because only playing the mainline GW games makes one an uncurious person. Expanding your palette makes you a more textured and cultured individual - and you can still have the humility to sit down and play some of the better GW games that aren't mainline. Like Blood Bowl. But those games belong to another general, anon.
>>98895215What got your panties in a bunch? Lack of representation of strong female characters in the story? Just turn on [streaming service], a modern man like you surely has a number to choose from. I hear good things about Madam Marvel and the Lord dem Rangs.
>>98894475Snakes are done. Sphinx is next.
>>98892939Quar; we're going to force the guy who hates it to bake us a new thread every time, just to keep us out of /awg/.Why?Because it's funnier that way
>>98889005>>98889131There's some really nonsensical heads in the cultist 2 and 3 boxes that I thought were just assortments of rags, but maybe they were intended to be antlers?
>>98896289those are definitely antlers, never got a box, but those are cool. maybe ripped off a rangifier? the official minis have them as a bit larger though
>>98892939OPR, but only because we will kick it out for being a) cancer b) literally just warhammer thus not awooga.
>>98896458OPR does suck, but its so rarely even talked about. Usually just someone complaining about how it sucks worse now. I will say, i really like their take on the elves though, its a neat story.
>>98896505What's the proper jank and flank game?
>>98896518Oathmark is okay, it has some tactical interest going on, though 2E fucked up the orcs for no reason
Patrick Stewart died. Big RIP and prayers from everyone, no exceptions.
>>98896660Fuck, that's a shame, one of the finest Yorkshiremen
>>98896660Eh, he was just some old poofter they incessantly marketed as "Le non-threatening intellygent huwite man">"Captain, an unknown vessel has decloaked right in front of us, and is charging it's weapons!">Picard: "Lower the shields, to show them that we are harmless faggots!">"They've begun shooting at us captain!">"Well I never!"Contrast James T. Kirk, who will correctly identify a threat, and fire all phasers and photon torpedos at it, instead of overintellectualizing extremely simple ethics dilemmas, all while possessing a FULL HEAD OF HAIR.And would have teleported the Crusher family onto a passing Klingon Bird of Prey, the same way he got rid of the tribbles.also>Shatner is still aliveTruly, the superior captain.
>>98896660>BREAKING NEWS: Old man does!!!Truly stunning news
>>98896660i know im autistic but i never understood getting sad over celebrities dying. especially ones that old. besides a casual oh that sucks, its not like it effects me at all. i can feel empathy for people who were connected to him personally but thats beyond me
>>98896796>>98896862This exactly. It's literally some jester thespian, not even an actual hero or important character. It's some old man that I saw in a movie once. Who fucking cares? OMG Dolly Parton died, did you see? Damn that's crazy... Anyways It's such normieslop to care when some 90 year old has been celebrity died
Watch out guys. Got some edgy bois here. They heckin don't care about nuffin.
>>98896862Lucky you, I can't even feel empathy for their family.
So what *is* the most fun rank and flank /awg/ or /hwg/? So far Oathmark is the suggestion to beat.
>>98896862>>98896888Nobody gives a fuck about the dead cunt himself.It's not about>Muh empathyThat's just a noise particularly sclerotic normgroids make when they want to be congratulated for right-think.Well known film and TV actors were living trail markers in their generations.Maybe you two are too underageb& to get it, since there is basically no real shared culture, and everybody is all into hyper-atomized weirdo nitches now, but everybody knew that boring old bald cunt's name and face, and the last generation of avid tv-watchers will see that old fuck pop his clogs, and note that another piece of the world as they recognized it has just slid into the sea, never to be seen again.When you notice something you remember from deep childhood vanish beneath the waters of time, you too will feel strangely like a man who is beginning to outlive the world he knew.And it is such a strange feeling to come across that you will deem it comment worthy.Then some young tard who doesn't really understand anything, but still feels like he has something to say will say something dumb and trite that he things is original or irreverent, oblivious to the fact that kids just say shit like that, basically out of ignorance.Also, autism isn't real, you were just raised by people who didn't love you.
>98897080Hi i dodnt understand this post can you try adding more buzzwords please
I don't care about your reddit actor, answer the question >>98897041
Anyway
>>98897041Nothing against Oathmark, it's a decent game. But why would Oathmark be a top contender in a market with literally hundreds of dedicated rank and flank games spanning 50 years? The only reason you mentioned it is because it's just the latest generic fantasy game. This question is essentially impossible to answer unless you clarify what you're looking for in a rank/flank. "Fun" is highly subjective. Are you looking for something that simulates a realistic feeling of the tension of ranks of troops clashing, or are you looking for something light and simply that just gets you rolling dice?
>>98897112because oathmark is a way to play second age Tolkien with the copyright names scrubbed off and has model kits to do so
Anyone with more autism than me know anything about this?https://www.miniatures-workshop.com/lostminiswiki/index.php?title=Prydian_Army#IB26So I am well aware of Alternative Armies Ion Age, and the Prydians in their power armour people sometimes use as not-Marines.But I didn't realise that three of the miniatures, the Alouten Retained, are actually sculpts borrow from an older company called Reider Designs' Space Crusaders (AA have some of their fantasy stuff too)So like, did AA then sculpt more of these based on the 3 they inherited?
>>98897161The above was Dave Gallagher, the later(?) ones are Bob Olley
>>98897093Words you do not understand =/= BuzzwordsSclerotic normgroid detected.And yes, going around telling people that you are "autistic" is essentially just what low-functioning normalfags do, to get sympathy credits.But this is not a sympathy economy.
>>98897132Then play Oathmark? You asked for the most fun rank and flank, how are we supposed to know your personal aesthetic preferences?
>>98897161>>98897170Those models are so kino. Reminds me of the epic feeling of this pic >DO NOT WASTE YOUR TEARS; I WAS NOT BORN TO WATCH THE STARS GROW DIM. LIFE IS NOT MEASURED IN YEARS, BUT BY THE DEEDS OF MEN
>>98897080Savage post. Checks out.
>>98897216>LIFE IS NOT MEASURED IN YEARS, BUT BY THE DEEDS OF MENkino kino kino
>>98897112Because it's the only one I've seen mentioned by name this thread.
>>98897216I have the reprint of Rogue Trader and both of the Realm of Chaos books and I genuinely can't read them too much, it's like trying to read the Necronomicon for how amazing they are
>>98897307A shame 40k lost its kino.
>>98897080God damn.
>>9889737840K is still way cool, you just need to be more specific for where you search when seeking kino. Unfortunately. Personally, I like things like this, they give us a glimpse into the Unity era, which is peak.https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98827541/#q98833217
>>98897307>both of the Realm of Chaos booksoh shit, when did they last sell them?
>>98897202I'm just a random passer by weighing in on oathmarks popularity
>>98897518>oathmark >popularity Hmm..curious
>>98897536there is like a dozen box sets for the game and 2 editions
>>98897552Nta but that creates a false sense of popularity. The Oathmark fantasy figures from Northstar are generic fantasy figs that people buy for all sorts of reasons. I suspect more people use the generic orcs and skeletons, etc. for myriad of systems. Look at the recent Northstar Bohemian knights. I suspect more people will buy them for various fantasy purposes than to play the Hussite Wars. I own Oathmark skellies and goblins and I have never played them in a game of Oathmark
>>98897588Nick Eyre has grumbled on facebook that if he labels something a Northstar fantasy unit he will sell hundreds, if he labels the same figure frost grave/oath mark he will sell thousands
>>98897433They're available in-person at Warhammer World. I was in Nottingham for other reasons.
It seems /hwg/ can't answer the question either
>>98898086Why do you think anyone would waste time answering such a stupid question?
>>98898261Quite, everybody knows Historical wargamers don't game for fun.They just need a ritualized excuse to rank up their autistic rivet painting projects, because like all traditional gamers, they have profoundly incomplete horrible little lives, which makes them into horrible boring tiny minded little men.
>>98898276Why didn't you get an answer here in /awg/ either, then?
>>98898276Holy cope
>>98897161Given the time passed, your best bet is to email Alternative Armies directly. He's active on social media too, but email would allow for a longer response. Given that AA has been keeping older minis from OOP production runs in production, it's entirely possible that they may have been involved in the initial production run. Or they may have just expanded upon the idea and built their own universe upon it. If you ask him and find out, let us know!
>>98898307Oh I'm not that guy.I just think you're a fat smelly nonce is all.
>>98898327White Excellence.
For those interested, the OPR rules update is finally live.After a brief perusal, I'm cautiously optimistic. Didn't try the new rules during beta though, so others will know better than me. Changes to the Skirmish-scale games seem pretty wacky, everything else is reasonable. I instinctively like the increased options for magic users and the weapon rules reworks seem pretty lucid too.Vampire Champions (that is, the new multi model vampiric undead infantry) are an addition that I'm personally really happy about because I already have enough Vampire models to make an elite infantry block for my army. You no longer have to match hero equipment to unit equipment to keep their benefit. (E.g. give a hero a shield if the unit has shields) I think that's a nice feature, I don't need to give my sorcerer a shield when I hide him in a block of shieldbearing warriors. Finally, they say they're going to slow down the update pace and stop fucking with the rules as much. This is the best news of all.
>>98898406>new battle pass season just dropped! I hate the live service-ification of wargaming. This trend is dismaying
>>98898469The only thing better is that OPR and the fans go "Well just download the old rules and play those!" without mentioning that they neuter the rules and point costs on a regular basis and you are locked out of the army builder app as soon as a new battle pass season drops. As a former OPR player, I hope they crash and burn because they are making things worse and worse with their scummy nonsense. That is before going into the Ranger program and the fact that they cater to the Discord cartel. Let alone before the massive clusterfuck that is turning a so-called miniature agnostic game into their own GW armies with serial numbers filed off, board game plastic releases and trying to pull a Trench Crusade with STL file removal.
>>98898469Agreed. Literally what's the point of "updating" a game that people are playing and enjoying just fine? Especially considering it's free
>>98898086>Post complicated question in a slow thread>Does not say what you are looking for>start screeching about only getting one response in less than 15 minutes>passive-aggressive tantrumpost four hours laterI suspect you are either terminally retarded and incapable of understanding any answer we give, or the question isn't genuine and you were never looking for one in the first place.It's Kensei. I will not elaborate.
>>98898621No point explaining things to retards
>>98898086>Aight whip it out You some kind of fag?
>9 hours of well reasoned civil discussion have passed>we are still no closer to identifying a better Rank & Flank game than Oathmark Based on my read of the rules today we can dismiss Martyrdom because it's just Bolt Action with a vague Crusades veneer. We can dismiss WHFB in all its forms for extensively documented reasons we need not elaborate on here. Oathmark is at least fun to play, so it has that going for it, though it also has glaring issues like the 2E orcs list and the lack of war elephants. Anyone got a better candidate?
>>98898866Bolt Action is objectively a more fun game than Oathmark and I find WW2 to be incredibly boring and overdone
Looking at Burrows and Badgers stuff and it's weird seeing a project where the core execution is phenomenal but the auxillary stuff is clearly limiting its reach and popularity. Why is the website such a mess, you could easily make a better one in Squarespace in a few minutes without even getting into vibe coding. You can't even sort the miniatures by their factions and I can't easily find a digital copy of the rules. Also they're not shipping to the EU because of packaging laws (just ignore them lmao what the fuck are they going to do) and the whole thing is apparently being done by 1 guy and his wife with no other help. I can't imagine having such a good idea and such clear talent on the design side but having such little ambition.
>>98899097Burrows and Badgers is so fucking good, it's simply one of the most enjoyable and well done rules I've ever experienced - yet you're right, it's completely hampered by the lone boomer running it and his boomer mentality thinking he's too good and doesn't need a younger person's help making a better website. I genuinely don't think he even realized his website is 90s tier
>>98897041/awg/ standard has been Fantasy Rules! and Fantastic Battles for years now. I guess we could add Of Armies and Hordes.
>>98898406I think the parry rule is pretty neat in fantasy. I also like how the assault rule rolled shooting and melee into one profile.
>>98899238Nta but can you tell me about these? What makes them good? What is interesting about them?
>>98899285They both share the ability to make your own armies with special rules on top of a plethora of existing armies already in Fantasy Rules! (I'll shorten them to FR because yes the exclamation point is part of the title).FR in particular has rules for tunnel fighting, naval combat, and aerial combat (not base game, those were a later expansion that came loose leafed) meaning you can use the system for significantly complex narratives in fantasy wargaming. Honestly drop the morale clock from FR and use 6mm on 25mil bases and you could probably do a whole military campaign on it.That's another thing both games share, they're malleable when it comes to basing so long as everything is the same so you can use 1/72, 1/56, or 15mm. Or whatever the hell Conquest is at.Biggest differences are FR uses d10 opposed rolls while FB uses several d6s, and how units can be several bases in FB.
>>98896047Looks alright I think.I've decided on a Human Empire opponent army for versatility.
>>98899548
>The download of any document is free. By downloading you confirm that you don’t have any affiliation to Snarling Badger Studios LLC. If you have any affiliation to Snarling Badger Studios LLC your are not allowed to download or own any of these documents.Why is this the disclaimer on The Weald website?
>>98899667Because no one likes that filibustering nerd.>e.V.giving me the ick to be quite honest with you
>>98898400isn't wargaming in general exclusively a straight white male hobby?
>>98897615I don't play Oathmark/Frostgrave/Stargrave but for me putting these names on the box is like a cross-compatible kitbash-ready certification whereas a Northstar Fantasy label means nothing.
>>98899726Wargaming as we would understand it emerged from the exercises of 19th century Prussian officer's schools, which gave us Kriegsspiel, a double-blind wargame.Though chess and other stategic games with military themes have a much longer history, probably originating in Asia.If you want to get more pedantic, it is a Germanic pursuit.
>>98897536>>98898086Really organic posting. Not at all Billhookfag in a trenchcoat.
>>98899793>>98897615I imagine that Nick would have to give some share to Osprey or Joe for using their branding though, and he rightfully doesn't want to do that for ranges that are just his own North Star stuff. And there is some cool stuff on his site and the sub-sites he manages like Artizan and Copplestone (again no doubt with some kind of share, but in that case with the sculptors)It just shows that even people smart enough to not be GW drones can still be thick enough that they need Frostgrave branding to buy something. Which is quite saddening really.
>>98899667Blame Anish Kapoor, at least indirectly.
>>98899965however, man North Star are doing well for such themselves, as a medium-sized company compared to say a "big" one like Warlord or Mantic
>>98900108That is pretty good. I've only bought one of their kits, but it was nice enough I'll definitely look at more in the future.
>>98894250>A1 vs A1 MiniHow about a dedicated terrain printer? I've already got a resin machine for minis, so, if I wanted a dedicated terrain printer, which of the A1 would you go for?
>>98900157That comes down to the size of the terrain pieces. The A1 and A1 mini are the same printer with different print beds.
>>98900177This. A larger print bed for FDM terrain is essential.
>>98899915>eternal slap fight between 2 shit gameswhy do autists always pick awful systems to sperg over?
>>98899548I hope that by >human empireyou mean>arabyan caliphate
>>98900356I think quar should be gone too.
>>98900513surely you bait, anon.
>>98900469>human
>>98862842This may be simultaneously the most useful reply and the most correct take in /awg/ of this year.
>>98871333I don't have a ton of faith in Black Death City going anywhere, even though it's mechanically solid. Mordheim "replacements" have been a dime a dozen for a couple decades now, and it feels like Black Death City is doomed to be the same thing - another Mordheim heartbreaker that won't dislodge Mordheim Proper, because Mordheim Proper already has an entrenched community that actively, definitionally, resists other rulesets. They'll play the core rules with nerfs to dual wielding and maybe even add alt activations if they're feeling liberal, but that's the limit. The only time that Skirmish games really take off is when they have their own identity. Frostgrave was it's own thing. And it did great. Black Death City doesn't deviate from Mordheim, so I expect it to be as forgotten as Wyrd Wars or any of the other myriad attempts at Mordheim 1:1 replacements.
>>98900545They are human you can rape arab women and they will produce fertile offspring.
>>98898866>we can dismiss Martyrdom because it's just Bolt Action with a vague Crusades veneerHow many websites are you going to post this on?
>>98900733nta>boomer definition of speciesAckchually wolves can rape jackals and coyotes and have fertile offspring. Neanderthals, Denisovans, Erectus and Sapiens all cross-raped and produced fertile offspring. Get with the times, old man.
>>98899097Yeah, that website is pretty meh.> Also they're not shipping to the EU because of packaging laws Oh I guess I don't have to worry about it anymore anyway. I have enough of a backlog, but I hope they figure it out in the next few years. Those minis are pretty great.>>98898525You can't just select which edition of stats you want to use in the army builder app? That's pretty lame...>>98900108Glad to see this. I hope Alternative Armies is doing well too.
>>98900978Alternative Armies only have to file Micro Company Accounts which actually implies they aren't as "big" as I might have thought.
>>98900978>You can't just select which edition of stats you want to use in the army builder app? That's pretty lame...Nope. Newest version is the only version, be it on the listbuilder or Reddit and Discord. Miserable people. I was a former Ranger and OPR supported/Youtube content creator and those clowns are a drag to deal with.
Uhhhh that's not good
>>98900513Explain your reasoning.
>>98900789Two and a third.
>OPR gets another updateOh for fuck's sake
>>98901180What else will youtubers make slop about?
>>98901180I thought OPR was supposed to be le wholesome escape for 40krefugees AWAY from the constant GW rules churn? Are the guys who make OPR genuinely retarded?
>>98899548>>98899554Today's prints: Mage council and cannon. Up next: crew for the cannon and 5 marksmen. I also bought some modular Landsknechte for melee units. No idea if I can get a decent FDM print for a war wagons or steam tank.
>>98900733A horse can rape an ass and produce a mule. Not the same species
>>98900199>>98900177Right, makes sense.I'll be looking out, as I've seen some secondhand units with 200 print hours going for about as much as a new mini. On that topic, is the combo worth it for single colour prints or should I skip it entirely?
>>98901190If they don't make it familiar to the drones, they'll leave. We cannot allow them to leave, it'll be a disaster for everyone else.
>>98901336Combo is not worth it. Check out the Centauri Carbon as well
>>98901095No wonder, I bet at least like half of the people who'd buy from them gives up after two minutes on their website.
>>98900667The problem with people always trying to tap into the Warhammer player base is that they forget the most fundamental principle: Warhammer players don't love Wargaming, they love Warhammer. Black Death City can be better than Mordheim in every aspect, but they won't care because it's "mini-agnostic," not backed in Warhammer lore.
>>98901278>No idea if I can get a decent FDM print for a war wagons or steam tank.Shouldn't be much a problem, at worst cut off the wheels or cut the whole thing in half and stuff like that
>>98900667The problem with most Mordheim heartbreakers is that they start off from the assumption that Mordheim is a broken game that needs to be fixed; then, that their specific flavour of fixes is what will make the game finally good. We've never lacked more solid of comprehensive rulesets, there's dozens of games that can do negative campaigns better than Mordheim. Most players understand that it's not a competitive game and enjoy it despite its flaws.The issue is not rules, but rather aesthetics. Mordheim has incredibly evocative vibes, the art, the layout, the fonts, the setting, narrative blurbs and even warband composition. The book has a particular aura that makes you want to keep a warband or degenerates and see them struggle. No matter how incredibly interactive and balanced your rules may be, how deep the warband options get, if you're not setting the atmosphere and putting the player in the right mindset, you're just polluting the hobby with more generic skirmish slop. As another anon mentioned earlier, aesthetics are probably the most important element in our enjoyment of wargames. There's stuff like inquisitor (or even the older wh realm of chaos books), a cluster fuck off half baked ideas that can't be played without house rules and yet holds a legendary reputation in the hobby. There's forbidden psalm and all of its derivatives, which, despite being mediocre rules without much meat to them, get high player counts and fuel very interesting hobby projects. Look at turnip, quar, even TC. None of those games market themselves as having amazing rules or fixing older games, literally all vibes and aura as the kids say.
>>98901854ummm akschually Quar has amazing rules just saying
>>98901896I never said otherwise, but the main selling point is the aesthetics, not the rules. Good rules is always a bonus.
>>98888759Update: Threw together a Rangifer out of bits I had in my drawer
>>98902311Runa and co, updated. On Tuesday they'll go dungeon crawling.
>>98900978I'm almost certain the "Incredibly difficult and expensive" packaging standards are either something you can just ignore or more likely a boomeristic>WHAT?! Bloody 'ell, new regulations? >Fuck that, not gonna bother >:(and it wouldn't that hard, I haven't heard anyone else refusing to ship to the EU because of it.
>>98903154Tons of Anglosphere mini companies are refusing to ship to the EU for the time being. That doesn't stop it from beeing boomerisms, but I think it has to do with the new 3 euro import tax.
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