>What is /awg/?A thread to talk about minis and games which fall between the cracks, or peoples' homebrew wargames.The >>>/tg/hwg thread doesn't entertain fantasy (for good reason) and the other threads are locked to more specific games.This thread isn't tied to a game, a publisher, or a genre. Let's just talk about fun wargames. Any scale, any company, any miniatures.>Examples of games that qualify.A Song of Ice and Fire, Argatoria, Batman Miniature Game, Carnevale, Conquest: The Last Argument of Kings,Deadzone, Dragon Rampant, Dropfleet & Dropzone Commander, Freebooter's Fate, Frostgrave, Full Spectrum Dominance,Gaslands, HeroClix, Kings of War, Lords & Legends,Maelstrom's Edge, Malifaux, Marvel Crisis Protocol, Masters of the Universe: Battleground, Moonstone,Oathmark, OnePageRules, Open Combat, RelicBlade, Rumbleslam,SAGA, Sahipkıran, Sludge, Space Weirdos, StarCraft, Stargrave, Sword Weirdos,Urban War, Void Admiral, Warcaster, Warmachine, Xenos Rampant, Xenotactics......and anything else that doesn't necessarily have a dedicated thread.>Examples of companies providing rules and/or miniatures for alternative wargames.Archon Studio, Atomic Mass Games, Black Site Studios, CMON, Goblin King Games, Lucid Eye, Mantic,North Star Military Figures, OnePageRules, Osprey, Para Bellum, Seb Games, Spellcrow, TTCombat,Victrix, Wargames Atlantic, Warlord Games......and many other publishers.>Places to get minis; Updates to the minis list are welcome.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D2DbNJ2mYAUxh5P9Pq9NZqS5tXHGn0i2JhZchEwbA2I/edithttps://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/373197.page>Novice Troves, meant to serve as a sampler of available systems. Check out the Share Thread for up-to-date troves.https://pastebin.com/MjtsC8AXhttps://mega.nz/#F!zSYW0I4a!vXh8-UPi_tWXpJES_-p4zgPrevious Thread:>>98779780 #>Thread QuestionWhat are you building/painting? Pics?
One last question for gaslands: anyone got crew member expanded? It's on Scribd but every downloader I tried mangles the pdf
>>98832282>>98829374After a few years, gathered up to repaint the hurricane, the first step is to get rid of the old painted cake.
>>98832337Right on brother. Don't eat that cake it looks too moist.
why the fuck do you have SAGA, a historical game?
>>98832282>What are you building/painting?Some marines for starcraft>picsNo I'm shy
>>98832337For Her Serenity!
Any asoiaf book fans here? Going to paint these up for asoiaf but I can't really decide who to paint them as. Blackfyres, Robert's rebellion Targ loyalists or Stannis' host for Blackwater bay. Any suggestions?
>>98832657Dunno man. Maybe one for every faction ?
>>98832657What was the hussite war and what is a bohemian knight?
I wonder if these were inspired, at least partially, by muvluv
>>98832991The hell is that?
>>98832993https://ttcombat.com/collections/dropzone-commander/products/bioficer-hands-pre-ordernew dropzone models
>>98832996Freaky deaky, I like it
>>98832975>What was the hussite warIts like proto-protestant war. Huss was the name of the priest that started it.>and what is a bohemian knight?A knight from Bohemia which is just another way to say Czech.
>>98832975When the hussies got in slap fight with the beatniks. Probably over dope or loose morals.
>>98833020>>98833054I am sufficiently educated now
Howdy
>>98833091Adorable
>>98832629Doesn't SAGA have pagan magic and shit?
>>98833108It has a fantasy supplement that adds dwarves and elves and stuff.
>>98832629>(((Skirmish))) Game>Command abilities>Very little crunch>Factions are a cartoon of real life counterpartsSAGA is fantasyslop wearing the clothes of a real historical wargame. Perhaps if you're a nogames who's only played Age of Empires or somesuch garbage it could pass as historical, but to any serious Wargamer the idea is, frankly, risible.
>>98833194>>My historical war games require a tenured published professor to sign off on historicity after each three hour round, or as we call it, "tercium bullshitus"
>>98833239>Historical wargames can be ahistorical, actually.Troonbrained take.
>>98832282Wrong field namefag. >TQ>What are you building/painting? Pics?Okay fine. Mostly doing garden teardown and prep but have acquired surreal terrain and am revisiting an old idea of being way too artsy.
>>98833461Ooh Mini Gangs. I accidentally used that chunky pistol in a kitbash not realising it is for that miniature. Will have to find another
>>98832282Steel Rift custom rig
>>98833461whatever it's a thousand times better than what we had last thread, and I was in a rush.
>>98832629SAGA is NOT a historical game lmfao
>>98832975>What is a bohemian knight A knight from Bohemia, fucking retard ... American education
BASED rejection of the hostile takeover from history chuds. They can keep boring history and memorizing dates. We will keep our fairies and unicorns and magical spells like chads
>>98833984LmfaoIf that's your problem you're hanging with the wrong crowd already.
>>98833907>>98833984Stop trying to start shit
>>98834045That's their entire reason for coming here instead of reddit where everyone agrees with them.
>>98833907>>98833984Bait used to be believable.People like you are killing this thread.
>>98833090It kinda sorta had proto-AFVs which was cool.
>>98833907Sorry but you fantasy nerds are the same as the history nerds to us sci-fi chads.
>>98834296>Sci-fi chads
>>98834474both pictures are overweight middle aged to senior dudes, the common factor here is subtle but important, they are at an LGS or convention.Both are for guys who don't have groups of actual friends that will invite them to play in their homes, or whom they would choose to invite to play in their own homes.Never forget that there is a portion of this hobby that is not visible because it centers around real friends who play in private spaces and who do not enshrine corporations and spending money endlessly at the centre of it all.
>>98834505Bottom pic is well known wargame authors who regularly play large at home games on 8×12 foot basement gaming tables
>>98834505Are you retarded? Top pick is a bunch of fat greasy slobs in their 30s, low class consoomer wagies pigging out, and the bottom pick is happy retirees and property owners, smiling with pride amongst their friends and colleagues
>>98834518You would know this is fact and not marketing because you play in their homes with them.
>>98834557I'm saying you're right, clearly these guys who sell these games would never stage photos to upsell their product, that's ludicrously absurd.
Mostly done with the king of one of the Bad guy factions for my oathmark campaign. I really need to get cracking on homebrewing some rules for demons for him though.
>>98834721God, fantasy miniatures always look horrid.
>>98834900I agree I think generic fantasy always looks bad, but so does generic scifi. If it's not tied to a setting with a unified aesthetic it just seems directionless
>>98834900>>98834913Bait.
>>98834962I wonder if that retard knows he is waste of oxygen
If you're bored I would strongly recommend picking up a miniature and painting it, instead of shitposting in our nice little /awg/ garden
>>98832282Some silly bunny girls. Was going to run a meme gang in necromunda with the "Vast Bulk" mutant rules, but now they are going to the pile of "random models to proxy with"
>>98834721I've considered getting that one or the alter version just for the shield, its great.
>>98832307Not me but >>98831948All the copies of CME have the title jumbled like that, might be a few other pieces of art in it but the game content is all there. Happened to the one I pulled from scribid too.
>>98835711As the folk of far, mysterious orient say>naisu desu ne
>played a game three days ago>desire to play more games only intensifies Life is struggle
>>98835711Nice.
>>98835763It really is.
Why play alternative wargames?
Does anyone know any wargames where both players make their orders to their men simultaneously, and then spend the turn trying to act them out ???
>>98836183Because Warhammer isnt fun and my AWG of choice is
>>98836270But everybody plays warhammer in the US.
>>98836276Isn't WGA and BT gringo companies?
>>98836264Not that I'm aware of. I've toyed with the concept occasionally and gotten as far as testing, and it seems to be one of those things that's fun to design but not to play.
>>98836279Yes, but those are actually very difficult to find games for in most areas because clubs don't exist in the US, just local game stores (dominated almost exclusively by GW products when it comes to wargaming) and friend groups in houses. So there's no public spaces for people who aren't in these friend groups to make friends with wargamers who are playing alternative or historical wargames, and there's no way of knowing who is playing alternative wargames in a given area without basically knowing a guy, which is pure luck.
>>98836292Closest thing are games with "blip" tokens that you uncover once contact is made.
>98836279>98836183>98836293Stop samefagging just to whine, we've all heard it before.
>>98836293Ah its this guy. Thought it was an honest question.
>>98836297Yeah, my most recent concept used a standard deck of 52 cards. You'd lay a card face down by each unit each turn. The suit determimed which order they'd been given (clubs for charging into melee, for example) and the number was the order you resolved them in. Problem was this wasn't fun to play.
>>98836264Didn't x-wing work like that?
>>98836264I'd say Legion Imperialis, By Fire And Sword and most spacebattle games.
>>98836307What is this convoluted implementation? No wonder it was no fun. If I get it right it means you have 1 card out of 4 stuck you with a melee decision.
If you could take one game and re-release it with modern plastic models, what game would you choose?
>>98836435KriegspielFor the lulz.
>>98836435I've heard good things about the Starship Troopers wargame's mechanics
>>98836435Warzone Resurrection, I know it can be played with old metal models, but I hate putting a 28mm metal mini on a 60mm base for unit balance.
>>98836435I'd hate to advance GW's hegemony any further, but I'm seriously tempted to say Warmaster.
>>98836547Same. Warmaster plastic minis in 35€ battleforce boxes is my wet dream. I'd use these smol bands for anything from Fantasy Rules to Fantasy Battles and be set for life. If Argatoria keeps poppin' more factions I'd might be there one day since thier prices and sculpts aren't toooooo far off.
>>98836635What about WGA ?
>>98836435>one game Fuck man don't make me chose like that. Renegade Legion. Grav tank hex battles with good plastics and new maps would be great.Dark Age being a thing we can get again would also be great.There's already lots of skirmish games so I'll go with Renegade Legion but its not easy. Confrontation might be a third but I can and did already get most of the models for that from recasters. The rules were only alright. Lurpra would be funny too.
>>98836720>Renegade Legioneducate me plaese
>>98836662Lel. Don't get me started I'm the anon forever mad they switched from "battleforce" boxes to single unit type boxes. How am I supposed to build a budget army if I need a box of infantry, a box of archers and a box of cav instead of a single mixed one? Between that and the slow ass releases they dropped the ball even harder than Mantic did with Epic Warpath.I should own a smol orc, dwarf and skeltal forces by now. Instead I bought fuck all and never will until they course correct. Good job greedy cunts! See how far this kind of BS will get you in 2026 fucked up economy.
>>98836742FASA era scifi wargame with evil empire and rebels blowing the shit out of each other's grav tanks, later space fighters and large ships. Weapon damage had specific patterns depending on type that would chip away at or blast through armour. A bit fiddly but very neat tactile experience that isn't part of much gaming and would be cool to see again.
>>98836792>FASAI'm yet to touch a Fasa game in my 36 years on this earth. They always came across as just a bit too crunchy for my liking. I mean, I appreciate them for the in-depth game systems that they are, but nowadays I tend towards simpler games.
>>98836815I enjoy crunchy games, my personal issue with them is that I have to wrangle someone else to play it, meanwhile the few times I found someone that liked this kind of game. Their lack of social skills became an issue way too fast.
>>98836831I think those are reasonable points. I can see the appeal of super crunchy titles, I like that some games have a rule for just about every occurrence but myself, being heavily medicated, kinda puts me outside the capabilities of them. My bro wants me to play Battletech Aerotech with him, and it's a source of my sadness for me that I can't indulge him. But we play a lot of Alpha Strike and have fun with it.I do hope you can find more socially adept friends to game with anon.
>>98836815Opinion coming up so ymmv. I've got an extra decade in and its been interesting watching that change over time both with my preferences and fashion. When the granularity opens up meaningful player choices and engagement I'm more interested, when its just things to fiddle with that don't make much difference in how the game results go I'm less interested. The rules lite thing for the last 10 or so years has been good but hit rock bottom and started mining kickstarter for gold a while ago so I'm over it and at this point look for a certain minimum level of detail indicating whoever made it gave a shit and knew what they were doing at all instead of jumping on a fad that seemed easy. >>98836831This is a notable hurdle and have instead found introducing more complex games over time with the lighter games as a base to see where people are at to be more effective but having a group to rotate games between we all suggest and generally have a decent feel for what will play well and giving each other a bit of grace helps. Takes a while to build up though.
>>98836872>Opinion coming up so ymmv.I agree with the general sentiment, I just go towards simpler games because of the aforementioned medication issue. Crunch is fine with me if, like you said, it is contributing something to the experience and that's the general message I tried and failed to convey in my last post when I mentioned games having a rule for everything.I do agree that the whole simplified rules has been taken to extremes and, for want of a better word, flanderized. I like Fallout Wasteland Warfare levels of intricate. Most occurrences are covered and the rules allow for quick judgement rulings if the're required. Anything more than that and I simply can't keep up.
>>98836276>>98836293>but everybody plays You don't need to play against "everybody," you only need a single friend >those are actually very difficult to find games forSkill issue. Have you tried having some friends?
>>98836894Makes sense to me and medium with some variation on that based on game group is the best bet for me too. Totally understand the capacity based on circumstance. When I tore my shoulder I was in enough pain and medicated enough anything more complex than 5core or euroboard games wasn't happening.
>>98836905Here's to healing and getting some games in lol
>>98836747I dislike WGA myself. I am absolutly flabergasted by the lack of quality of their releases. Lowest effort slop. I just checked their indian mutineers to see if I could get some use out of them and I recognize some heads and pieces from the afghan sprue.
>>98836896>Skill issue. Have you tried having some friends?This sounds like boomers giving advice. Just grab your friends and make them play whatever, gets harder as you grow older and well the younger generation are poorer and more retarded than previews ones. Hey even in a club you find issues to get people to try a new game and we proudly show in our social media how we usually playtest games made by the members.Granted homemade shit is easier in the sense that the guy asking for a playtest will usually bring everything and act as GM or the players proxy the shit out of it. But is not something to expect for every new game. Expecting someone to have multiple armies to maybe catch another guy with this tism and play something else beside the clubs popular game.
>>98836952Clubs aren't friends, they are a pleasant Middle ground between friends and LGS. The truth of the matter is you will never find an opponent for every game on the planet, and that's just life. There are people who can't even find someone to play Warhammer 40k with. I used to practice HEMA and moved states and now I had to find another hobby because there is no one here. It's the same with games. Your first complaint was "there are no clubs in the US" and now you changed the goalpost to "clubs won't play the exact game I want every time." Here is a pro tip, build and paint two armies for every game you want to play and the chance someone will play it with you goes up much higher
>>98836997>Your first complaint was "there are no clubs in the US" Anon thinks everyone is the same person.Did you ever stop to consider that the anon commenting about clubs, might not be from the US?
>>98836435I'm tempted to say Monsterpocalypse since monoposes are okay so it could easily be simple two or three part kit with like 20 minions per sprue. But you can fully proont that whole range now, so what I really want is a This Is Not A Test range set up like the Xgrave plastics.
What are currently the cheapest 28mm miniatures on the market ? Still e4m ?
>>98837015e4m is not cheap at all anymore. Even Perry,.Victrix, etc. are cheaper per model now
>>98837015The EM4 plastics went up considerably. It's no longer 2011 where you could buy them for pennies. They're still fairly cheap, but yeah if you were used to the old prices, it's a tough pill to swallow.I'd say TEHNOLOG miniatures are probably some of the currently cheapest plastics on the market.
>>98837501>TEHNOLOGEpic 54mm miniatures!!
>>98837609NTA, but minis need to downscale, not upscale.15mm is the best scale.
>>9883764128mm is the best scale*Sorry for the typo guys I don't want you thinking I'm some /hwg/ Manchurian candidate boomer poster
>>9883765032mm true scale*I meant to type that, my mistake again.
>>98837650>>9883766415mm and go fuck yourselves.It's an absolute pleasure to play on a coffee table instead of a basketball court.
>>9883765020mm* man I can't type for shit today. Anyway, being able to insert gaslands cars into any and all scenarios is peak gaming.
>>98833789>A knight from Bohemia>Bohemia>Implying I knew that fantasy ass name was a real fuck ass place
>>98837695Sometimes I forget the average person has a 50% chance of being below 100 IQ, even higher chance if they are brown
>>9883769120mm is not 1/64 anon, 15mm is, 15.3 to be precise.
>>98837721>Dude the land of Bohemia is totally real and serious!
>>98837727Most hot wheels or similar cars are not 1/64. Some are almost kinda close if you squint. But close doesn't count when you're talking exact scale.
>>98837735Ostensibly tge scale is 1/64, though it does vary slightly up and down to make most of the cars match each other to work in the tracksets.regardless, 20mm is more like a space marines size next to one.
>>98836843>heavily medicatedAre you retarded, insane or a cripple?No offense intended.
>>98836952>He has friendsLmaoooo, this faggot is a loser normie
>>98837793Profoundly schizophrenic. No offense taken homie.
>>98832975Bohemian knight would be someone like John Falstaff - debaucherous and rather unknightly.>>98833020>>What was the hussite war>Its like proto-protestant war. Huss was the name of the priest that started it.Close, but slightly inaccurate. Hussite Wars were not stated by Huss, but because of him. Huss was a preacher and demagogue, but not a warmonger. He tried to debate his points at the Council of Constance peacefully and gets some concessions or promise of reforms, but his rhetoric was too radial so they put him to a torch instead. Which pissed off Huss followers bad enough to pick up arms.Also, at the time ruler of Bohemia (Sigismund of Luxembourg) promised Huss will be guaranteed safety at the Council, but later voided that promise, so people were more angry about this perceived betrayal rather than death of Huss (who was basically content to martyr himself for the cause if necessary).
>>98837823Bohemia is a real place, and the place where the Hussite Wars occured... A bohemian knight would be a knight coming from the lands of Bohemia. It's really not that complicated.
>>98837812Oof, yeah, those are some heavy meds.I hope our little toy soldier games bring some deserved respite to your life man. I was on some really heavy painkillers for chronic pain for several years and most of the days at the club simply went by in a haze.
>>98833020>>98837823The religion of the Hussites was actually turbo based, and essentially a better version of what would later be Lutheranism. Like Luther, the Hussites considered themselves Catholics and didn't want to destroy Catholicism or break from it, only to reform is back to being closer to what Christ intended. The Hussites were in the right, and their grievances with the Roman Catholic Church were extremely valid. 1.) they wanted all Christians to receive a full communion, the bread and wine, just as Christ gave his followers at the last supper, instead of only clergy getting to partake in full communion. Ironically, the Catholic Church branded them heretics over this, but nowadays the Catholic Church takes the Hussite position and gives full communion to all. 2.) the Hussites wanted to stop the corruption of clergy and church officials, and stop clergy from using their positions to obtain extreme personal wealth. Extremely valid critique, but obviously why the Roman Catholic Church wanted to kill them over this. 3.) they wanted the words of Christ and scripture to be the ultimate authority on Christian practice, not the Vatican. Again, completely understandable critique and similar to Luther, but you can see how this would anger the Vatican and their position of power and control. Obviously the power of God was with the Hussites because they had some of the most impressive underdog victories in all of history. Under the blind Jan Zizka at the Battle of Vitkov Hill, 80 Hussite rebels defeated 8,000 Bohemian knights
>>98837609They also have a bumch of 28mm.I got their dwarfs a few years ago. They paint up well and look like plastic versions of metal dwarfs from the 90's so they scale pretty well with more common manufacturers.
>>98837915Skip the sandpeople religious lectures, we're here for gaming.
>>98837974Ahh, a fellow archaeologically informed academic heathen *tips*
>>98837974We.are discussing the new Northstar Bohemia knights range for the Hussite Wars, you dingleberry
>>98837974Gaming you say? Post your latest game
>>98838099If you like gaming so much name every game.
>>98838125>>98838132What's the matter... no games to post, perhaps?
>>98838142Post yours
>>98838170I don't play games
>>98838099I play games. i don't stage photoshoots.
>>98838221Post models
>>98838224How about you take your /hwg/ bullshit to that general?
>>98838281Ah, so no models either. Got it
>>98838354I've posted more models ITT than you likely own, but I'm not your dancing monkey and you're in the wrong general.We all told you historical faggots repeatedly in the last thread when you tried to insert yourselves, you are not wanted and will not be tolerated.Fuck.Off.
>>98838281>>98838125Fuck off with this shit already. I've been posting in /awg/ for 15 years and we have always been brothers in arms with /hwg/ against GW, and the cross poster base between the two generals has always been very high. Tourists like you came to this board and general long after it's prime while it's on its last dying breathe and try to tell us how it's supposed to be, but that shit doesn't really stand here. If you want this retarded console war mentality you can go back to your AoS vs TOW vs 40k shit flinging generals, or back to /v/ where you belong
>>98838379Yeah I'm sure you have anon, you have tons of game and models and I'm Mother Theresa!
>>98838386That's some serious projection there buddy, got a stack of unopened GW boxes lining a wall?
>>98838417Do you even think before you post? Shitposting used to be good. Hurry up and post your Quar
>>98838433Im not into anthro fag rainbow sock puppets like you are, mr. projector.
Instead of having a poopy about this or that we post stuff about our games or some minatures? Here's one of mine. His name is Ragrot Fungusbreath.
>>98838466>no uSo this is where we are now
>>98838480Here's Runa the Soothsayer amd modt pf her warband
>>98838491*most of herPhones were a mistake. I will commit sudoku immediately
>>98838491Nice. For frostgrave I presume?
>>98838513Yup. Got a group of five going, we've been doing generic games but we're gonna start Thaw Of The Lich Lord soon.
>>98832282Do you think Conquest First Blood will increase awareness of the game at more LGSs?
>>98838618Fuck, I hope not. The closest thing I have to a nemesis is the guy who runs the local Conquest group.
>>98838641Story time ?
>>98838645Long story short, he acts like his life ambition is to be a middle school bully despite the fact that he's in his thirties. He parrots Battletech video memes without knowing anything about the lore. is and got run out of our Battletech group for trying to treat it like a competitive game. He tried to start a separate group, got nowhere with that, and then latched onto Conquest. Last I heard about him, the guy who used to be his best buddy and left the BT group with him had gotten pissed off at him for some reason, so he's clearly the kind of guy who just can't help starting drama.All this comes together to mean that even if Conquest were a good game, I'd never play it unless I moved cities because I'd have to associate with people who associate with that guy. But I regularly pull 25 people for Battletech campaign nights, so it's not a concern anyway.
>>98838530Gotta admit im jelly. Was getting the terrain together for the lich lord book for my group when they turned into MTG only drones.
>>98838809I'll have to see what terrain I need, but I've got the indoor stuff down thanks to the dungeon tiles.
I like the amount of holstered pistols in the sprue and the fact that the wings are separate.
>>98837873They post behind my back pretending to be me.
>>98837915>goyim hating their parents and loving the torah>turbo basedpick one
>>98838433>Hurry up and post your QuarHey now, lets not dirty Quar buddies like this...
>>98837969Teknolog is sadly not an option, sadly.The dwarves are oop now with no info on reisssue and they dont ship really to my country (Poland) anyway. I actually wrote to them asking about that.
>build Broken Legions warband from Victrix Greeks>Northstar announces plastic fantasy GreeksDammit, guess I can make a Greek themed Frostgrave force
>>98839176I have yet to see anyone playing quar
>>98839709What is that supposed to imply?
>>98839742perhaps the game is a psyop and does not actually exist as a game in a meaningful capacity, a nogames game, if you will. A product you buy, but that no one actually plays.
>>98839773most people assemble quar in anticipation of the upcoming company-level ruleset update; we're in a strange situation where mr quar releases stuff like armour and cavarlry that don't fit the squad on squad scale, but wargames atlantic doesn't let him publish another book until the current one sells.
I want Quar naval. Naval already is silly so it would fit perfectly.
>>98838618Dunno for LGS but the price was attractive to me. Is it a whole game on its own merits or just a poor excuse for an army starter? Does it use most of the real Conquest rules or another beast?
>>98839773That sounds like something that usually elicits the following response: take your meds>>98839812Not as severe, but quite similar made up assumptions theory. >most people assemble quar in anticipation of the upcoming company-level ruleset updateHow many people do you know that does this?How many that already play the skirmish game?>we're in a strange situation where mr quar releases stuff like armour and cavarlry that don't fit the squad on squad scaleAlmost entirely false. Both armor and cav work in squad scale. Also the latest non-plastic model releases weren't only those two. Speaking of plastic, the two latest releases are two new nations' infantry.>but wargames atlantic doesn't let him publish another book until the current one sells.This is pure fiction. The guy who is writing the mass battle rules is working on multiple projects while also updating the skirmish game. These take time, there is nothing about some WGA bullshit.At least say something that makes more sense, like they'd want to get the full ranges done for the current nations first.
>>98839300I wish it was sold by the sprue in my country. I could use 2-4 of them as bronze statue but I don't need a whole box for that.
>>98839886>take your medsPlease provide one example of quar being played inside an American gamestore.
>>98839929I dont even believe america exists. Its just a mythical place full of violence and fat people. Land on the other side of the world where people live at night ? And its full of black people that keep on shooting each other for no reason ? Fucking Mordor is more believable.
>>98839246I checked the main supplier - Souldark.ru - and you're right i don't see dwarfs; their fantasy range has greatly diminished.I think it's worth messaging the guy and ask directly, when i placed my order i asked about some older artillery that wasn't on the site and he said it was still available and added it to my order.The site looks straight out of 1998 so i think it's just a website problem than a stocking problem.As for shipping, while many countries stopped mail from going to russia, very few stopped mail coming in, although Poland could realistically be one of those places that stopped mail from coming in
>>98839970I really hate that the rest of the world has to suffer because the euros are having another civil war.Be like africa, they have a civil war or a genocide every other week and no one cares.
>>98839929I don't see what's the point of that, but here you gohttps://thebattlestandard.com/product/minicon-2026-weekend-3-day-entry-badge-quar-clash-of-rhyfles/>>98839975>Be like africa, they have a civil war or a genocide every other week and no one cares.Don't know if you've heard about this Hormuz thing, it'll blow your mind.
>>98839983Well its not a civil war though. Gringos vs Persians. Tale as old as time.
>>98839970I bought a watch from Russia, it got shipped trough Kazachstan, did not even take that long. Idk of it was in aosg or another James game thread but some anon got stuff from Ukraine and was surprised it arrived that fast. That's the upside of war going on over there, there's all the logistics in the world. A lot of equipement gets brought in so a lot of transport is also available for stuff flowing out.
>>98839987Yeah, ok, whatver. Very funny.
>>98839894Where are you from (roughly)? I was pissed, when the sprue shop and his ilk stopped shipping stuff to continental europe. Then the winged polish merchants arrived and came to my rescue. They sell most of the frostgrave, stargrave and oathmark kits as singles on allegro. I guess this is also a PSA for EU anons.
>>98840011Do you seriously think anyone here is stupid enough to fall for your bait ? Kill yourself faggot.
>>98840011I don't care, man. I don't even live on that continent. This shit stopped being funny 2-3 posts ago, but if you seriously say this bs then really go and get your meds.
>>98838481This is where you are now and you can fuck off to your own general if you don't like it.
>>98839300>fantasy GreeksHoping for amazons.
>>98840009>allegroNo english version of their website? They do have Northstar sprues indeed.
New Quar boxes are out, new unit profiles are out. It's time to game! Except that I don't really care, I get to play like once a month at most anyway, and still only working on my armies for previous nations.
>>98840709https://help.allegro.com/en/sell/a/how-to-change-language-currency-and-country-of-delivery-on-allegro-O3PwMxodWfYStill its bonkers they dont have some ai translator
>>98840728This pleases me.I like both the new factions.
>>98839945As an inhabitant of Mordor (No, seriously), I find your imagination rather limited.>>98839812Eh, I have a four man play group, including myself, three of which own our own Quar, and the fourth borrows my spares.We're skirmish gamers primarily anyway, and play at my house.It's pretty fun.We don't play to any particular schedule mind, as most of us work.
>>98840820>You have to register through a polish registration process in order to then have access to an English interface.Kek. These guys will never be Europeans.
>>98840918fuck off we're full
>Toulmore Quar have blue outfits and helmets>just like their Coftyran enemies from across the borderImagine all the friendly fire incidents.
>>98840728Thats kind of a weird choice of factions for a set, they lack the protagonist factor, the big dick energy.
>>98840957Full of what? You' re not even part of this chain.
>>98840976Toulmore helmets and secondary things like pants, belts and cuffs are white, Coftyran helmets are normally not painted and only their coats are blue. Also there are Toulmore marines in brown, or reddish brown I don't remember exactly.
>>98841131Which makes such a huge difference, especially during fog or otherwise bad weather. Especially considering that these are notoriously short sighted space anteaters, not humans.Marines sound fun.
>>98841154It's okay, they are just getting gobsmacked or going out of action.
>>98840728How big is a quar next to a firstborn space marine? Looking to get some west arnyarans and want to know how tall they are compared to them.
>>98841861About Grot sized, maybe a smidge bigger.>>98841131I think the blue you see on them is actually their Marine corps, whereas the reddish brown is their land army; there was a minor retcon.
>>98841861>>98841878>Grot sizeddon't have any gretchin at hand but it doesn't sound right.
>>98841922Well, they're supposed to be about four and a half feet tall or so.So at any rate, shorter than a man, 'small sized" by D&D standards, and the general consensus is that they are about Goblin sized, but fat around the waist, so they probably weigh as much as a man.
>>98832282>What are you building/painting? Pics?Some metal GI's waiting for a primer touchup, guys in the back are colour scheme testers using the Warlord plastics, not sure if i'll sell them or finish them. The cultists in the middle are Arabs and Afghans with spare GI weapons for interwar fun.
>>98840820Put one in your browser, its been a thing for ages.
>>98840728Do any of the stargrave kits have guns that would match them? I think quar would be good space mooks
Wanted to get into wargames, looking at Bolt Action. It's carried by most FLGS in my area with some active players. My only bar for this is better rules than 40K, and has active local players.Was Bolt Action always popular, or did it just have a resurgence?I ask because the last time I tried to get into wargaming, the entire Warmachine scene in my area evaporated practically overnight.
>>98842245Bolt Action has always been popular, mostly with older people, but I wouldn't be surprised if K47's recent popularity has pushed up even further. Warmachine dying, I am guessing on Mk4 launch? Because that's what happened to our local area until me and a friend rebuilt a casual scene for ours (unlike the previously competitive group who were already looking to exit.)
>>98842245>>98842271this isn't /hwg/ fuck off.
>>98842271Yeah something happened around the Mk4 release that imploded the entire WarmaHordes scene in the span of a few months. I was like halfway through painting a used collection I'd thought I got a good deal on by the time I realized why I'd gotten a good deal on it. It crashed harder and faster than X-Wing did in my area.The entirety of Privateer Press I think imploded? Which is a shame, because I liked their paint pots. I really thought they were going to stick around longer, but it looks like Infinity outlived them.>K47I read that I might as well by a starter set for both since some content is compatible. I suspect K47 will be in and out of popularity, but Historical like Bolt Action will always have a place. I think K47 is based on 3rd Edition Bolt Action... and it just re-released last year... eh yeah sure might as well.I think I read you want to pack more AT weapons and options in K47 if you're using Bolt Action stuff to better counter the tougher non-Tank units available, but that it's otherwise possible to play a straight Bolt Action army in K47?>>98842288>K47>Warmachine>/hwg/
>>98842245There's a whole mess of Bolt Action players at the wargaming club that runs out of the church hall near me.Mostly old guys like the other dude said.
>>98842318I mean Privateer Press are around, the current Mk4 is still being made by them. They simply sold the license and work with/under SFG now, and looking like MonPoc (the only thing PP kept) is getting something new next month. K47 is based on the current Bolt Action ruleset, with only minor unit skill changes between them. Everything released for Bolt Action is fully accessible in K47, though you're encouraged to only use Late-War stuff (but nothing stops you from using early and mid-war units.)You do absolutely want armor penetration on anything and everything, and thankfully all basic troops get RPGs as an option by default. This is due to Warlord heavily pushing you into playing rift units (hell a basic list requires atleast two infantry rift units, unless running an army-unique platoon) and giving almost all of them means to avoid being damaged by small-arms. This has balance issues though as nothing stops you from spamming only 7+ armor units and making the game unfun for both yourself and your opponent. I would've preferred they nerfed that and restricted high armor to tanks, since rift units already have interesting skills and rift mechanics to make the game engaging to play.
>>98839300>Dammit, guess I can make a Greek themed Frostgrave forceThey also work for a Cities of Bronze warband/enemy pool in Ghost Archipelago>>98840372Amen, but nobody has the balls to actually do them as one-titted Scythian archers. Or the competency to make them sexy as well as lightly-clad. Closest thing is Rearer's "Helena" and she's mislabled as a gladiator anyway.>>98832282>What are you building/painting? Pics?Designing jigs for some Japanese fantasy terrain, I'm refreshing my old Kensei force for Clash/Rangers/Oathmark and I want a better-looking table. Also cutting a bunch of Fireforge models off the sprue and cursing their savage lack of variety in both heads and weapon arms. Seriously, three virtually-identical bow and gun poses, with two of each on the "ranged unit" sprues, cloned polearms, all the sashimono are cloned, only three heads on the mounted sprues (all dupes of ones on the foot sprues), and the heads on the foot sprues are all twin sets helms with and without mempo. I've got a lot of sculpting ahead of me. Maybe a ranty picture later. At least they're still better than the Warlord plastics.
>>98842419Sounds like K47 will need another edition to iron out better, but I've seen worse for game problems. Also sounds like Helldivers Meta on higher difficulty.
>>98842532While I am part of the camp who have these grievances, it's working as intended on Warlords' part and I think enough players don't really mind what I mentioned.
>>98842318>looking at Bolt Action>Bolt action has always been popularFuck off
>>98838689Is the guy a "vanguard"(official volunteer)?
>>98842425I'd be happy with just women in greek armor.
>>98843211May I direct you to this post in /gwsg/?>>98840926
>>98843576Nah... I'll pass. I have standards.
>>98840976It gets even worse>Toulmore is split in half by a canal>they do not have control over that canal>and are besieged by enemies on both sidesWhy the fuck do I always have to be attracted to jobber factions ?>>98842126>not sure if i'll sell them or finish them.Keep them, you always need more infantry. Always. Worst case scenario you can use them in scenarios (our guys got stuck behind enemy lines ! save them !) or lend them to prospective new players.
>>98842185According to random Google image I found, yes.
>>98842425Post your Kensei minis my fellow weeaboo.
Would you slit a 40k player's throat if it meant you could get more people of quality to play alternative wargames?
>>98845744I'd slit yours, if it meant there'd be less worthless shitposting here.
Sping and autumn knights plus an evil blue lady.
Does anyone have experience with basing Lego figures ? I'd like to put them on bases and I can was thinking of putting them on 25mm, but I'd also like to do something with the bases just like we'd decorate them for other games but am not certain how to do so. I have a 3D printer but am not opposed to buying something either. I fear it's just gonna look so bland. Does anyone also have any good suggestions for things needed for Brikwars ? pic semi-related.
>>98845768Shitposting is the only reason this board is alive.In the sense that a cadaver crawling with beetles and maggots is "Alive".
>>98846046Lady winter. You now only need lady summer.
>>98846737Damn. I didn't even think of that.
>>98846116I feel like their bases should also be Lego or else it'll be weird.
>>98846926I'm trying to come up with a mix/match thing where I can get them on some nice smooth lego surface or embed a 2x1 lego into a base or something. I'd like it to look like it belongs but I want the figures centered and looking neat and I don't know how I'm gonna do that. With mechs I can steal the idea from the image I posted earlier but I'm coming up empty right now for the normal units.
>>98832282>Warmachine is running Cyrx army frontier on Myminifactory>https://www.myminifactory.com/frontier/cryx-dread-armada-5654?referral=4204f74cWhat's the catch to this? I take it that these are just special units compared to what is on SteamForged's webstore so technically not a viable army on it's own? I am not sure how Steamforge is handling Warmachine stuff on the myminifactory. I remember seeing Warmachine stuff and I'm not sure if it is making a comeback after Privateer Press soiled the bed.Also how are the new Formula P3 acrylic paints in droppers? Especially their metallics?
>>98847193no catch, thats the full army. They will also do physical sales later and sell the STL's at a higher price when the campaign ends.The actual catch is that steamforge probably could be doing mostly plastics by this point because the community has clearly shown it exists but on the other hand I am glad we have things like this army release as full STLs so I can have them.
Has anyone played this game? I found the rulebook at a local store and was curious about getting it when I thought it was good for 28mm skirmish, as in the cover says 25mm skirmish, but a quick flip through the book seems to show it's designed for hex based chit gaming? Bigger vehicle warfare maybe? It's from 1994 I believe and I'd never heard of it.
>>98847251Thanks for the head's up. I didn't see anything about the Cyrx stuff like their little bipdal jacks like pic related.Seems like this is a pirate spinoff of the Warmahordes Cyrx instead of mainline stuff. I can see the mainline stuff being kept in physical only so Steamforge can still make some money.But by chance has there been an "archive project" of scanning the Privateer Press era of models into STL form like how Warhammer gets those for retro models? Close to biting the bullet and going in. Does anybody here know of a good "near black metal" acrylic paint? I know of Turbo Dork's Black Ice, but that metallic paint is more of a "straight black metal" I want something that is very dark grey, but details will be hidden and will be okay to put a black detailing wash over it.
>>98847345oh yeh if thats what you meant then yes its not the main cryx but specifically only their new second army the Dread Armada. Dread Armada is focusing on the naval side of cryx like the black fleet and ghost fleet though its a new army based off those not a reprint of the old forces.The normal cryx stuff is kept to the main site just like most armies are, the main things they launch on the myminifactory are older armies they want to re release but dont want to commit production to such as grimkin/infernals/the pigs/convergence and sometimes some extra alternate sculpts or parts for models with a bit of terrain.I wish there was an archive project for old PP stuff but as far as I know there's nothing like it and we still dont have that many copycat sculpters. We did get some cryx alternative warjack parts and terrain from the welcome box for the tribe but that was it for normal cryx I think.
>>98847345Yeah, the Dread Armada get the flying bonejacks instead of the chickenjacks, and the Garthim jacks instead of the bipedal helljacks. They also get the Kraken colossal, the other Cryx army got a giant burrowing worm jack for their colossals.
Some more Frostgrave terrain. I think this is gonna be the layer beneath the dungeon.
>>98847031>>98846116The blind bag figures come with a 4x3 flat base that has a single row of studs down the center and the other two are smooth. It's not perfect for seven-plate mecha models but they're cheap as all fuck and you can stack them on top of something else to get larger bases. I use them all the time for low-effort wargame stuff with the family.>>98847306I've never actually seen it in person, looks like a Battletech chaser from back when BT was more popular than 40k.
someone got the latest onepagerules age of fantasy advanced rule book ?
>>98836264Wargods by Crocodile Games use hidden token orders that you issue at the start of the turn. There's potential for a Dominions type game for someone with spare time on his hands.
>>98847575that looks pretty neathow much filament and time goes into something like that
>>98848675I haven't really kept track, but each 2" square in just flooring is about an hour of print time, and walls are a lot more. I group my prints into ~8 hour blocks so they can run while I'm asleep or at work. I'll do that over a work week, then spend the weekend painting. Though this was only a few hours actual paint time. Prime black, spray grey, light grey drybrush, black recesses in the cracks, lava effects.
>>98848465OPR? Advanced rules? I thought OPR was one page.
Reminder that Gripping Beast and Heresy miniatures close down soon so get anything you want where it is still there !
What is the difference between these two? other than literally about tree fiddy
>>98849516lol been a while since they where just 1 page
>>98849594Nvm found this myself on FB:They are sculpted by mark copplestone but they arnt part of his creator owned company copplestone casting. These are older future wars miniatures. You can tell the difference as copplestone casting has integrated bases and the older “future wars” by grenadier has slotta bases like the models above. They are 90% the same but there is some minor difference in the actual miniatures
>>98849645Neat, thanks for filling that in. I started looking and there's a bunch of the Future Wars stuff scattered between Copplestone and eM4. There's some cross over but some you can only get from one of them and was wondering about that.
>>98849797Forlorn Hope have some of the Grenadier era stuff too. I think the Copplestone Casting was made later
>>98849909goddamnit there are so many of these bongland companies. >Eureka has a new website Also these charming goons.
>>98850013I love them. They look like the mook squad from some B-Tier Tokusatsu show from the late 70s.
Is there a trove for stl files somewhere again?
>>98848455Yeah the inside of the book looked 90s battletech too.
>>98850146I am happy that I understand this reference.Tokusatsu was (is) awesome.
>>98847345There's not a difference between 'mainline' and 'other' in mk4. Factions exist mostly narratively and occasionally with some shared models. Specific armies are now what you play (similar to mk3 themes). So the models in Necrofactorum (the physically sold Cryx) and the models in Dread Armada (STL Cryx) are not interchangeable at all.
impress all the MtFs at the LGS by bringing awg demo games (they especially love Quar)
>>98847031You want a jumper plate, a 2x2 flat piece with a single stud in the center. You can kragle it to a regular base and then put whatever you want on there.
>>98851141May as well bring a sack of potatoes with little helmets.
>>98850013I need this guys, but they seem to be out of stock every time.Really want them before the Euros implode into another civil war
>>98851733You're not more concerned with tariffs? Fedex apparently paid mine without telling me then started sending me letters asking for their 100 back so I haven't ordered anything from Ireland again. Waiting until trump dies or something.
>>98851376What
>>98833533Another!
>>98852146
>>98852146Don't mind him, he got gaped by the anteater freikorps once, and hasn't been the same since.
>>98851879I strongly advise against using FedEx. A ton of their internal functions related to cash allocations and dispute resolution are outsourced to jeets, who are unreliable and semi-literate at best. Trying to get something resolved with them is awful, like drawing blood from a stone or screaming to the void.
>>98852678Wait are the Quar meant to be anteaters and not like worm dudes?I've never paid it much attention but I'm happy it exists and seems to have fans.
>>98852955Also like, there's a 15mm metal range, a 28mm metal range, and the 28mm WA plastics?There's a lot going on here isn't there
>>98852955>and not like worm dudes?old drawings and metal minis do have worms (1995) vibe, Qualtieri toned it down to make them more svejkish over the time.
>>98846116>Does anyone also have any good suggestions for things needed for Brikwars ? pic semi-related.DID SOMEBODY SAY BRIKWARS?!?!Do you have Flame Wheels?>>98851363>You want a jumper plate, a 2x2 flat piece with a single stud in the center. You can kragle it to a regular base and then put whatever you want on there.Seriously though, if Anon has a 3D printer, he could just print a stud or two on any other type of base.
>>9885297115mm is only in resin and not available as STLs28mm is resin and plastic depending on the specific models, some armies are made for printfags so they are never going to get plastic releases, but you can get them from the creator's store if you have no printerThere hase been some periodic make-to-order-for-the-last-time runs for the old 28mm metals recently, but that's more like a collectors thing. Some old metals were scanned and are available as STLs.If the type of minis are a lot, then don't even look into the different games that were made for Quar. It almost gave me a headache when I first tried to make sense of which one is which.
have anyone tried to play games like opr age of fantasy using smaller scale, like 10mm, switching inches to cm directly, where you have a unit on a single base?
>>98853078I've seen people do that with Kings of War especially in v3
>>98853089yea it is easy to do with rank and file games, was more thinking like AoS like games, AoF, where they are more in a skirmish formation, but have the entire unit on 1 or 2 bases instead of individual models
What is your next project /awg/? Today I ordered a m50a1 ontos and some Maschinen Krieger robots for Sci-Fi wargaming. Heard that the assembly od the ontos is pretty tricky and I haven't yet figured out all the sci-fi bits I'll put into it.
>>98852429Wow. Is this the new faction?
>>98853153>What is your next project /awg/?A bunch of terrain pieces, at least three trays worth of it, waiting for paint.Also planning to make a little XPS foam hill with a small building on it.Thinking about making a mat as well for 3x3 and 4x4 boards.There is like 30 Quar, 20 chaos warriors/chosen from the 80s, a corsair kill team, a kabalie warrior squad and their raider vehicle waiting for me.And then I'm planning to get another 30 Quar, and a bunch of other stuff but it feels like those are at least two years down the line at the pace I hobby.
>>98853153I don't know really but I am glad that I'm painting random miniatures rather than the months of doing nothing
Does anyone who plays Konflikt 47 know if I can use these three boxes together in an army?Konflikt 47: Totenrotte Starter ArmyKonflikt 47: Konflikt '47 Axis SonderkampfgruppeBolt action: Cross of Iron - German Grenadiers Starter Army
>>98853078Does this make sense, to base them on these base sizes?
>>98851879>You're not more concerned with tariffsA nothing burger to be honest. Tariffs are such a meme thing that my country has even increase exports to the US due to how good it is the trade now. >FedexAh I see your issue. To be honest I have no idea how Fedex even exist. Fucking local couriers run by literal retards (as in down syndrome retards working in it at administrative level) have never lost something or charge me random shit as much as Fedex.Being completely honest I have more issues with the Euros and their retarded regulations than with gringos and their schizo policies.
>>98851879>FedexI, and the dozen or so other business with shipping needs I talk to, all unanimously despise fedex. They're the worst at sending on time, navigating addresses and making up bullshit fees they autocharge.
>>98853153Just been picking out random 40k and warzone models that catch my fancy. No real rhyme or reason to what I've been working on lately. Got a squad of wolfbane commandos I should really get finished but I'm losing steam on those real fast.
>>98853632>>98853647I work for FedEx, but I'm not in the company. It's terrible, don't use FedEx.
>>98853153Planning out how to do 4-5 minigangs with a limited pallet using only paints I can get in the very rural community I'm in to see if it will work. I'd like 3 colours per gang but might have to do 3+1 metallic. I could order things in but its part curiosity about how to make limited resources work. They're 40k adjacent or themed so I try and not shit up /awg/ with it.
>>98853153Ive got 3 irons in the fire atm.Some terrain i got to put finishing touches to. Some finished figures i have to base and varnish. I got a batch of orcs i need to finish painting.
>>98853153Finally finishing my Cryx up for mk2/3. Just primed a Mechanithrall unit and a Necrosurgeon and Stitch Thralls.
>>98854088>3-4 colours You can try using the Zorn palette (Red, ochre, yellow, black). Even better if you get single pigment paints (hobby or heavy body artists', either will work well). That palette was designed to maximise the amount of tones you can get from mixing between its colours, and you can definitely get a lot out of it. Once you feel comfortable mixing colours, you can gradually replace or expand parts of the pallette to your desires.
>>98853078Why would you bother converting to a based scale like 10mm just to play a garbage and bland 40k adjacent ruleset like OPR?
>>98854445options, already have 2 10mm warhammer fantasy/warhammer renaissance armies
>>98854453To each his own
>>98854352I was thinking along those lines that for one of the gangs. >Crazy machine men priests >Red, black, green cables, brass/bronze metaland doing the other two primary colours as the main tone for a few others with>Space Elves with cloaks >Dark blue, white, yellow accents >Punk gangers >Bight yellow, hazard stripes, blue hair, gunmetal >giger aliens >Black shell, green flesh, bone? Its going to be hardware store paints only if I'm using what's here. I'm going to see what I can thin and mix with just the primaries, black and white. Tempted to zenithal undercoat and try making washes for some of it if the paint available can be thinned easily.
>>98854473>hardware store paintsGood Lord, please don't.Hardware store paint is often vinyl based, and a lot thicker than model paint. It's hard to thin without it breaking apart and will generally be an unpleasant thing to work with.I know it's cheaper per millilitre, but if possible, try to get actual hobby or artist acrylics, as those will be leagues better. Yeah, you can probably get 10x the amount of pain for the same cost, but it simply won't be good enough. Better pay the acrylic premium and whatever shipping is necessary than rely on the subpar stuff.Are you an experienced painter? From your post I get the feeling that you might be starting out. If you're getting the bad stuff, in addition to having beginners' skills, you'll be actually hindering yourself. Don't make painting a needlessly frustrating experience.
>>98854621>Good Lord, please don't.Nah, I'll give it a look when its open and see what can be made with what's at hand. Might be suitable, might not, don't know yet. Not everything has to be done under perfect conditions with perfect supplies and perfect tools. The entire point is to see what can be done with limitations for its own sake. Been painting and wargaming for 35 years. Fine tuned paintjobs have never been a high priority of mine but process work is enjoyable and interesting to me. Price point and quantity isn't the factor here at all, its for 16-20 miniatures total.
>>98854473>>98854687>hardware store paintsWhy? Since your on the internet presumably you can have something shipped to you. Even cheap appel barrel craft paint would be better then that stuff.
>>98854708Because I feel like it. Working with what's local is an interesting experiment with using what's at hand and what can be done with limited resources. I can also use the paint for other things that will come up in life around here but that wasn't the primary concern.
>>98853078>using smaller scale, like 10mm, switching inches to cm directly, where you have a unit on a single base?That's literally THE standard hack for dealing with smaller play areas and storage space. The best part is a 50cm x 75cm play area is about the size of a briefcase, so you can store multiple megnetizable boards, scatter terrain, and several armies in a very small and portable package>>98853094>have the entire unit on 1 or 2 bases instead of individual modelsJust use an "open formation"-style base - drill some holes at roughly squad coherency distances and put plugs or magnets on the bottoms of the minis. You could also use dice on the base to mark casualties. This works better at 15mm than 10mm. >AoS or OPRWhy not use better rule-sets, like Warmaster and Kings of War? They're generally tuned more effectively for this sort of thing.
>>98854810I second anon (craftsperg here) and even I think apple barrel is shit quality.if you're using housepaint (it pains me to say this) I'd rather you play with unpainted grey models.But more seriously, I'd rather you GTFO and stick to videogames, you're not being lazy, you're being stupid.
>>98854687>>98854810Freedom to you, I guess.I just can't overstate enough that you're doing the equivalent of intentionally shooting your arm with a nail gun to see what happens. We all know what happens, but if you must, then go ahead.
>>98854810Well if you're going to do that, then know that rustoleum primers work, water based wood stain can be used as a wash, and for the love of god, always thin everything using the appropriate medium for whatever awful paint you find.Also look around for a dollar store or equivalent, they have actual acrylic paints sometimes. Just don't get the washable "for kids" stuff, that's worse than hardware paint.
>>98854891They're just models not sacred objects. Not everything has to be how you imagine it should be. I'm not sure what you're worked up about. >>98854972Its going to be hardwarse store only. That's all there is here. I am not kidding. There is no dollar store. I do not mean >1 hour drive from a city rural I mean actually rural. Mail gets delivered once every week to a general delivery, national mail orders take 3 to get here. Good call with the wood stains and rustoleum, lots of that around.
>>98855006>IM RURAL Silly excuse. I live on a remote island where mail gets brought in on a barge with all other goods once a month. Foul weather means the barge doesn't come. >>98854810>Because I feel like it Incredibly juvenile attitude. This is the reaponse one would expect from an angsty teen going through puberty, not a late 40s man.
>>98854810Okay..... Go ahead and use house paint if it makes you feel good. I don't see the point of going through the effort to buy and assemble minatures just to intentionally paint them badly with paint not designed for minatures.
>>98855081>You have to do what I tell you on 4chan because I'm le mature! lol okay Its not that you can't get mail, Its that I want to see what can be done without it. You have a stunning lack of reading comprehension. You the /hwg/ guy lfg in the pacific north west? >>98855083I already know you don't get it, its okay.
>>98855090>Doubling down on the juvenile manbaby behavior Some "men" can't be helped
>>98855090Oh I get it anon. I just think it's stupid. I'd say the same thing to a guy trying to do carpentry with a sharpend piece of glass as a saw and a piece of string as a measuring device. As I said have at it and have fun. Be sure to post the laughable results in /wip/ though.
>>98854687>Fine tuned paintjobs have never been a high priority of mineKek post models
>>98855094lol it is you. Such a big man! Come stop me from painting wrong!
I've used apple barrel blacks and browns extensively on my bases and terrain, not wanting to waste good paint on undercoating something that's about to get covered in flock anyway. You people are making me nervous. Is it really that bad to use the cheapest paint for these less important bits?
>>98855102Don't have them with me but I'll post hardware store warbands to get this >>98855101guy's goat when they're ready. Doubly so when they're pretending to know fuck about shit handtools wise.
>>98855105>Is it really that bad to use the cheapest paint for these less important bits?Depends on what you're up to. Some people enjoy and focus on the painting side more than the modelling or gaming side, varies by inclination. If you're more interested in having a medium looking game piece and using it it'll be fine. If you're more interested in high res closeups of your model as a display piece getting more involved and having more specific materials is probably a good idea.
>>98855112No models to post? Kek
>>98855122Already posted them unpainted with the flowers. Hardware store isn't open and I didn't bring my collection with me to here. You'll have to wait at least a week. But you do know the rules right? You ask you post.
>>98855105Apple barrel is completely fine for terrain, it's what I use. You can use cheap craft paint for minatures with varying results. I wouldn't recommend it but if you just want paint on minatures then go for it. House paint is just laughably stupid.
>>98855105Apple Barrel is at least still acrylic. Its pigment density isn't great and it might not mix elegantly, but it still functions like any other acrylic and will take more layers of water based paint or glue over it just fine. If you're going to cover it in flock and sand anyway, then it doesn't matter.Hardware paint could be latex or enamel or who knows what, won't thin the same or at all, might reactivate, could even theoretically react. The two most common paints in models is acrylic and oil for a reason.
>>98855144Reactivation is also why you should avoid children's paints even if you are okay using cheapo craft paint. Anything that's meant to be washed out is going to liquefy when it gets wet, including when more water based paints are put on it.
>>98855105I use craft paint for everything except glazes, I use p3 inks for that. The reds and yellows are noticeably weaker than fancier stuff, but it's not like anyone makes a good yellow that looks good after 1 coat anyway, that's the only difference I can see.
>>98855112Your the one who got on here and said your going to do something the wrong way on purpose because you feel like it. Don't get upsetti about it when people have a laugh at you for it.
>>98855184je déteste yellow paint so much, but it's so prolific the models I paint, alas >>98855228He's the type of guy that needs attention and negative attention is better than no attention
>I am le smart, miniature paints are a scam I will make my own>I am le smart, miniatures are a scam I will print my ownWhy is /tg/ just full of these types who can't engage with anything on normal terms?I'm not saying you have to go and pay full GW RRP immediately, fuck no, but have some dignity and actually make your hobby easy for yourself.>>98855184Finish your models, basing them nicely they'd look like 50% better.
>>98855300>PicWicked
>>98851733Those are Australian
>>98855300>I am le smart, miniature paints are a scam I will make my ownno one said thisthe fucker just wants to try shit paint, because he feels like it, and you guys are having a meltdown over it
>>98855432>meltdownLaughing about it.
>>98855432>The fucker >He feels Why are you talking about yourself in 3rd person?
>>98847407>>98847416>>98850981Thanks guys. Seems I don't have to worry about needing anything from the necrofactorum and the Armada army is truly all encompassing. I was that kid who dressed as grim reaper in Halloween. I still have a little bit of that in that I like spooky undead minis.It is also why I looked at Trench Crusade general. That place is probably worse than /40kg/. Is the general just "propped up" there to keep Trench Crusade discussion off here?
>>98855228>anon asks what projects people are working on >this is the project I'm working on >this bothers you for some reasons Here we are.
>>98855240So stop responding to me I guess? >>98855640This is me, that's someone less retarded than you. >>98855300>I am le smart, reading posts is too hard here's my opinion on a thing that isn't real Why is /tg/ just full of these types who can't engage with anything on normal terms?
At this point this has to be bait, it's too on the nose. This is some craftsperg /wip/ tier stuff.
>>98855662Probably.
All three of my favorite generals are unusable now. What the hell happened to this place? Been here for a decade and it's never been like this. It doesn't seem organic
>>98856236It's very likely automated models. Experiments in successful 4chan bot posting date back to Sychelles anon, who did an experiment with a robot conversing on this site several years ago. He was only the first PUBLIC person to do this and share results though, it's likely that advertisers, political groups, or whatever have been experimenting with this for longer. But now, the availability of consumer LLMs is such that anyone can trivially set up a 4chan bot. It's not even gated by technical skill - it's piss easy to tell an agent "argue with this post, keep replying to every reply, wait this random number of seconds to avoid making the spacing too perfect, promote these points and use these words." It's so easy that you can just use it to troll people, you don't even need a reason expect that you wanted to fuck with someone and it amuses you to see them tilt at a bot for hours. And imagine if two LLMs, run by different people, get into an argument. They'd never quit. "Trolls trolling trolls" can become "LLMs trolling LLMs" as soon as any two people decide to automate their shitposting careers. The sad fact is that setting up irritating chat agents is so very easy that it HAS to be happening, in my opinion. I don't think this was true when the "Dead Internet" people began alleging this years ago (at least running a bot would be confined to technical experts) but these schizo theories seem to have become true now that this tech is in public hands. It's also true that 4chan is no longer the source of original content it once was and culture has migrated to Twitter, insta, etc. Leaving only boomers and genuine disfunctionals.
>>98856361Yeah but I don't understand how it happened so fast. It's like a light switched one day and this board instantly died, post count was way down and genuine conversation just stopped.
>>98856236Bunch of things at once you're just clicking on now. Every single board except /s4s/, /vm/ and /vgm/ have lost at least 50% of their average post count in the last 5 years. All of them. Roughly 35-40% of all internet traffic is bots flat out. The remaining humans on /tg/ are tired. The 2010s tabletop game explosion has slowed down immensely and market capture has played its hand too much combined with nonstop culture war. Very few people are willing to be wrong while simultaneously being very invested with what strangers or bots are doing and what those strangers or bots think of their posts. Its harder to be light hearted in general as we slouch into economic recession. Familiarity breeds contempt so while we simultaneously want earnest posts of actual gameplay we also despise something about them and look for things to tear down so this discourages the thing we say we actually like and why we're here. Its Monday. Everyone's all fucked up on Monday.
How do you guys find local players for stuff? I'm looking at calendars on various FLGS websites (if they even have them) and it's all TCG events. So I look at the discords for FLGS (if I can even find a valid invite) and it's all dead channels. So I look at the facebook page and facebook is kill.Am I going to annoy store workers if I just call and ask if they've seen players for specific games playing in the store? Finding players doing anything other than TCGs and GW feels like needles in a needle stack.>>98856236I'm not around enough to notice much. Can you point out suspicious posts? I have no idea what to look for. I usually just ignore shitposts.
>>98856361>Every post I don't like was made by an AI agent tasked with destroying muh shpeshull websiteBased schizoposter, keep the soulful posts coming, we need more of those here.
>>98856361>>98856829Honestly it's probably true. I remember the Sychelles anon guy going public with what he was doing, and how well it worked. People could tell something was going on, but it was hard to pin down, despite being fucking GPT-3 which was pretty braindead as LLMs go.>>98856562Most "bot" traffic is automated actual legitimate scripted bot stuff like scraping, indexing. I doubt there are many actual LLM agents floating around, but it would only take one or two to out-produce the entire population of any board.In hindsight, SA charging a 10$ fee to make an account is pretty smart. At the time it was for other reasons, but it's looking better than ever now. This shit keeps up I'd pay an entrance fee to ensure I have living company.
>>98856862Not sure if 4chan without the poorfags would be a better or worse website, but it'd be interesting nonetheless
>>98856818If you're in or near an urban centre searching >urban centre name game cluband something will likely turn up. Facebook and google. Failing that asking at stores is not annoying but will likely work better in person than calling. Game clubs tend to cycle through various games and have events so you might not get to play what you want right away, depends on how the do things. >>98856862https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efPrtcLdcdMCould easily be happening here. But also accepting that there are humans you disagree with who exist in the world is hard for people to accept.
I'm not sure it's actual bots, but I am sure that 4chan has gone from "kinda weird but not social suicide to post on" of the 00s and early 2010s, to the mainstream attention around Trump and /pol/ and then inceldom attracting absolute human garbage here, and now we're in the decaying husk of what's left.Anyway, the post I was going to make: there's some cool bits hidden away on the "sister" sites of North Star like Copplestone Castings and Artizan Design, he should re-organise his website so more people buy them.
>>98855419Even worst. Motherfuckers always fuck up shipping.For an island nation Australian are impressive to the levels of stupidity they can do regarding shipping.Do address with numbers do not exist there? Because they always fuck them up for some reason. Not even the Japs with their stupid block system fuck orders as much as the Australians.
>>98857797I got back into university to study a second degree for fun, so I get to hang out with people in their early 20s. Just a couple weeks ago ol' me was telling them about the internet days of your and this exact topic came up. They were truly surprised to learn that this site has boards for everything like fashion, photography and papercraft, or that a big chunk of their "less mainstream" music taste was dictated by /mu a decade ago.We really went from being the site that essentially codified most of internet/meme/weeb culture to the hub of undesirables.Nowadays, most newfags come here for the culture war, shitposting and lax moderation, rather than the board and what it has to offer. Parallel to that, we have been haemorrhaging good posters that get tired and move to greener pastures where the hobby is actually prioritised.Just look at how little homebrew is posted nowadays, look at the amount of slop and bait threads. Nobody plays any games, nobody engages in the hobby.It's saddening, but that's what this site has become.
>>98858068>greener pasturesWhere? its not discord since those places are either dead or you need to walk on eggshells due to power tripping mods.
>>98858130Honestly it probably IS Discord, damned thing devoured the social space that was occupied by forums AND IRCs...
>>98858130For me personally it was going to more events in-person and making friends. Unfortunately my local club is nu40k so it's on a more regional and quarterly basis but this year has been great for me.
>>98858165Sad thing to me is my local LARP game has its own web page and forum. They abandoned their own forum and fucked off to discord.
>>98858349>They abandoned their own forum and fucked off to discord.I'm banned from nearly every internet space for Brikwars, but the Discord hurts the worse because there really isn't anything going on elsewhere.Props to the Forum Event guys for trying though.
>>98858390>I'm banned from nearly every internet space for the children's game with actual lego lmao this guy working for check point miniatures or what?
>>98858654No, what happened was I personally got on Mike Rayhawk's nerves...He can claim he's got 25 years of "Game design experience" all he wants, but he's a Graphic Designer.Nobody is going to buy a rule book that just tells them to make their own rules, and especially not after Lego cucked him out of his own art style and he had to Mega Blok it up.
98858770Fuck off and die, Whiteeagle/Nice Daemonette. You pollute everything, you attempted murderer and ban evading piece of shit. Not even Reddit wanted you and taught you how to ban evade on 4chan to get rid of you.
>>98858879Get Mike to unban me then if you are so damned offended!
>>98832993New faction kills things and 3d prints monstrosities like this on the battlefield
>>98837641'no'
>>98839945Kek
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Jesus fucking Christ I think I remember this Brikwars guy. I was like a twelve or thirteen year old kid, obsessed with Mordheim and Space Hulk but had no way of playing either, when the Great Big Fat Man who ran my small-town FLGS (God rest his soul, good dude) told me "you should look into Brikwars since you already have legos". And I did, I went on the forums and lurked for years without ever making an account or posting. If this is the same guy, oh man, that's hilarious. Of course we'd both end up on /awg/ almost twenty years later.
>>98859249>And I did, I went on the forums and lurked for years without ever making an account or posting. If this is the same guy, oh man, that's hilarious. Of course we'd both end up on /awg/ almost twenty years later.I mean it's a small world; Honestly wouldn't be in /awg/ unless Brikwars was mentioned specifically to not irritate the shit out of people...Wait, twenty years?!That might actually be a different Brikwars Autist, my entire Brikwars history only goes back like, 16 years.
Hype.
>>98859279I love this stories.If they are real or not it is irrelevant. The "cahuin" is the important thing here.Tell me more.
>>98859407I mean there isn't too much to it, I'm an under-socialized autist that easily becomes insufferable when hyper-fixated.Brikwars is the perfect intersection of Lego and Wargaming, and after failing at University I was using it to try and remain sane despite my continually degrading life situation.It's one thing to deal with your own failings at life, another to try and do so while ALSO dealing with your alcoholic father's own suicidally self-destructive depression spiral.
>>98858770I was just being cheeky about getting banned from a lego thing and an unfortunate acronym for a miniature company. Not to discourage you but there have been a lot of books in the skirmish wargame side of things that have sold quite well that do indeed work largely along >just make up your own rules man I think its a fad that has largely passed but there's still a notable amount of it.
>>98859494>Not to discourage you but there have been a lot of books in the skirmish wargame side of things that have sold quite well that do indeed work largely alongI mean that's the thing; Mike COULD make it work, but it'd require him to do two thing.The first is returning to his original Art style, Lego Group be damned; Just because he was the OG Artist for Robloxs doesn't mean people want to see shitty cubism.The second is actually being willing to hammer out what rules you will have.Brikwars biggest draw was being able to stat up any crazy thing you could make out of Lego, and thus pretty much anything.Scaling back to "Minifig Combat" is just not going to cut it, because that just boils down to having the same number of figures!
>>98832282Is the new starter for quar a fully new edition? Like is that hardcover rulebook they put out earlier this year already outdated?
for viking era stuff is victrix the go to or does anyone else have very nice models? 28mm is a big plus.
>>98859877Victrix is great, and so is Footsore Miniatures if you're not a dork who throw a sissy fit over metal
>>98859913>Footsore Miniaturesnice I'll check them out.>metalI mean if it was identical minis and one was plastic and one was metal I'd get the plastic but I don't mind metal.
>>98859808>Like is that hardcover rulebook they put out earlier this year already outdated?No, the new starter has the same rules, but softcover.The rulebook is not getting updates, any errata or changes are going in the free stat profile documents.Which I find very annoying because some ability of gear descriptions were put in the rulebook and some in the stats doc. Why? I don't know, they should've put all of that in the stats doc so you wouldn't need to flip pages and have both open.Also we might get a campaign system sometime, but I assume that is also going to be a separate free doc. Or at least I hope.The next rulebook they'll release will be for larger scale battles. I suspect in the next 1 or 2 years, but who knows.
>>98859954iirc either WGA or qualtieri himself said the bigger battle rules are coming in q2(?) 2027
>>98859954Oh that's good, a buddy was interested in trying it out and I have the old starter box and some fidwog plastics and that hardcover book, would've been annoyed if they'd already outmoded it
Here's 6 alternative dwarfs. Most are CP models, which i discovered many years ago thanks to this very general.
>>98860173And the rear
