The previous one is hitting bump limit. So here's a new one. RIP in peace Adelheid Salian, you have been already forgotten.>Previous thread>>>2484817>Patch notes for the By God Alone releasehttps://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/by-god-alone-1-20-0-crozier-free-update-available-now.1943128/>Patch notes for day 1 bugfixing patchhttps://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/update-1-20-0-3.1943392/Here are some bugs I've discovered so far:>you randomly stop being able to assign guardian to children (quit to main menu to "fix" this for a while)>If a dynasty has more than one eclesiastic title holders who have children their children can switch parents on save load>Byzantine emperor automatically becomes the pope of ecumenical patriarchate when great schism happens>If you are pope and declare crusade almost no landed rulers joins you
>>2498751Here are some of the cool tenets (new one and updated old ones). Reincarnation is the best tenet in the game. Super fun if you become pope.
Have they implemented rape mechanics and flavor yet?
Can't hink of anything interesting to do in this DLC.
>>2498751>>Byzantine emperor automatically becomes the pope of ecumenical patriarchate when great schism happensbased and caeseropapismpilled
Reminder that human sacrifice and ritual cannibalism makes sense for Christians unironically
>>2498789No it doesn't outside of purely memes
>>2498751Is anybody else having issues with arranging marriages because of a -1000 modifier saying it is incestuous?
>>2498835are you using the house traditions mod?
How are there no monastic holy orders at start for any of the dharmic faiths, I get that the DLC was focused on Christianity but pre existing monastics would be good to spice up the mandala, celestial and Japanese government gameplay loops (having a pet holy order is good for the playing tall mandala loops and monastics slowly getting more and more importance over time due to their ability to simply grow over time, being a little buff for basically every non-Confucian religion, and their absence from the game at the moment feels weird.
I wish I could give military orders land, in CK2 I would give one of them Sinai and they'd fuck up egypt
>>2498826Jesus is a human sacrifice and eating the body of Christ isn’t metaphorical it literally is occurring
>>2498869Yes, obviously, but if you think about it two seconds longer, the principal point is that He is God, aside from being human. "Human sacrifice" and "cannibalism" is at best an oversimplification, that is fun to joke about, but is still, obviously, not exactly right.The tenets of human sacrifice and cannibalism, in-game terms, obviously do not apply.
I just won the first crusade and the first thing I get as a reward is the new Pope hanging out with his whang out (which he at least has the decency of covering up with a leaf)
>>2498904le funny and quirky
>>2498751>RIP in peace Adelheid Salian, you have been already forgotten.She's still there, running THREE abbeys all by herself!
>start game as Roscelin, a 25 yo Norman adventurer in 1066 Apulia, with scholarly stats and clerical aspirations>I'm accompanied by an older Sicilian woman named Biniditta, great in spiritual, diplomatic and learning matters>travel around the Eastern Mediterranean doing contracts, learning Greek, learning Tenets and visting tombs of Saints and Famous Cities up to the age of 30>sailing back to Italy I rescue Paschalis from a shipwreck, he is a Greek Orthodox administrative minded young man who will join my camp and follow me for many years, he'll be of great help>come back to Norman Italy as an experienced traveller and scholar, try to be appointed for a bishop but it doesn't work>decided to head north, visit Rome, strengthen my religious call, but it won't be until much later I'll put it to practice>travel trough france and visit the tombs of Mary Magdalen and Anthony the Great between Arles and the Rhone Valley(had no idea these places were connected to these two saints kek)>visit Paris, the great city of learning and after some time in Northern France I head to England, now ruled by Normans >fight bandits and copy shit loads os texts for patrons and create a master work of literature for one of them, realize I'm a good writer>meet Aelfgyth, a sturdy, military minded, but also pretty book smart for a lowborn, Anglo-Saxon young woman in a tavern in London, got her to join my camp>I'm now 35 and still feel kind of lost as to my calling>from London went to Brugges, and get a huge contract from Henry IV to capture a disloyal vassal and afterwards to control corruption around the HRE>Biniditta dies of old age after having saved my ass in dozens of contracts, God bless her soul>now rich, spend time travelling the Rhineland and Alps visting towns, cathedrals and abbeys>have become lover to Aelfgyth, the Anglo-Saxon girl1/4
>>2498942>arrive in Milan and, in a tavern, meet, Adelaida, one of the most beautiful women in my entire ck3 play time. This Cisalpine woman is kind of a whore, but can't resist so I bed her and get her to join my camp out of pity but don't take her as my lover>now in my 40s and a master scholar I finally decide to go to university in the Sankt Gallen Abbey>accidentally come across a necromant and fight him off disrupting his disgusting ritual>receive a visit from the local archbishop who tells the students about religious life>finally realize I'm meant to head to the pagan lands of the Wends, Prussians and Livonians and do God's work there>first make an offical pilgrimage to Rome to dedicate myself to this mission, take Saint Paul as my patron saint>head north trough Achileia, Carniola, Styria, Hungary, then Poland where I produce another masterpiece book for the Archbishop of Sacz. The archbishop likes me enough that I could buy a bishopric from him, and start my clerical career, but I'm needed where Chrit's light is still unknown>Adelaida, the cisalpine woman, asks for patronage to compose a book on sexual practices, and I give her some money>Paschalis is also inspired, and I support him in his book of hours>head to northern Poland and cross into Prussia, proselyte to the locals as I travel, gain converts, do contracts to the pagan princes2/4
>>2498947>head northeast to Livonia, Estonia and Arrive in the Kingdom of Finland, which to my surprise is ruled by a Finnish Catholic king>work for him for a while, but I'm now in my mid 50s with 4 children(3 males) from my Anglo-Saxon lover whom I took as my wife while in Poland( so as to not render our children bastards), I have to think of them. So I purchase a county from the king and become a count in the Kingdom of Finland>let my family settle in and educate my children until most of them are adults>Paschalis and Adelaida finish their books, both masterworks>realize I'm still not fullfilling the role I swore to take on>now in my 60s, after having arranged an advantageous marriage to my eldest son to a Piast Princess, I become an adventurer once again>go straight into Livonia and Prussia, prozelyting, gain my first converts among baltic chieftains after gaining their trust with excellent work in contracts>the Baltic region is hit by plague and most of my remaining camp companions from my first adventurer period die, including Paschalis, but Adelaida survies as well as all of my family who is following me>got expelled a few times from some chieftains' lands for preaching to the locals and in one of these times I decide to make a pilgrimage to Santiago>arrive Santiago and by now I'm a religious icon in level of devotion (and discover that the ruler direct to the south is a Turban-wearing mozarab duke of 'Burthugal')>during the trip back home the now elderly and still foxy Adelaida reveals her now 25 year old bastard daughter, Giuliana Boccanegra, is my child from that night I laid with her>now back in Prussia(now the Kingdom of Lithuania) I do a really great contract to the king. I have a very strong hook on him and he likes me>time to go all in and use all my available hooks, talk and gifts. And it works! The King of Lithuania and most of his main vassals embrace the Roman Rite Catholic faith!>my daughter, Agnes, finishes her own book3/4
>>2498951>but uh oh, she's pregnant with a baby girl, Gundred, whose father's identity will never be found, at least we can be sure he was not some Ethiopian. I'm mad but I'm lustful myself so I feel guilty for beign a bad example>Adelaida demands I aknowledge her daughter as mine, I refuse and this weighs heavy in my consciousness>purchase clerical land from the king and become the first prince-bishop of Gdansk and convert the Gdansk county>after some years, Aelfgyth, my wife and soulmate, that tomboyish Anglo-Saxon girl I met forty years ago in a London tavern, dies, leaving me depressed>soon after, my favorite, now married daughter, Agnes, that scholarly young woman, author of the Norman Treaties, dies in childbirth, maybe as divine punishment for her lust>deeply moved by these losses I try to make amends to my love child with Adelaida, and use my clergy privilege to legitimize her to her assigned Italian house, find her a husband and I also take my legitimized granddaughter Gundred under my wing>a couple of years later I convince the Pope, a chubby, scarred, Bavarian eunuch, to split the Lithuanian ecclesiastical region from the Archdiocese of Gniezno>I have become the archbishop of Pomesania, the apostle of Prussia and Lithuania>now I'm in healthy old age building projects in my ecclesiastical domicile. I've just finished the cathedral school4/4
>>2498849You'll get dharmic and daoist monasteries in 2027, be patient, with how much content Christians got this DLC the swedes can spend the next year getting the other religious groups up to par.
>>2498904He is just celebrating, he didnt expect it to work
>>2498942>>2498947>>2498951>>2498954Beautiful story.
That is some yaoi tier hands, mr. Pope
>>2498754Isnt reincarnation for the mighty brahmans only now saar
>>2498956>i dont actually give a shit about the church or christianity i just like to be offended, im woke right
Personal tenets are cool and all but there should not be any limits on what any religion can adopt, its just fucking culture, same thingIm gonna mod the limits out, theres already such thing as a heresy why did they decide to suddenly start blocking shit aswell, must be the influx of disgruntled eu5 devs in to the company
>>2498956>with how much content Christians got this DLC the swedes can spend the next year getting the other religious groups up to par.It’s fucking Crusader KingsThere shouldn’t be any religious groups in the game besides Christians and MuslimsWhat is wrong with the developers? What is wrong with the fans?
>they went in to the weekend without releasing a patch when the game is broken>the laziness of that company
>>2498992you can pick it for personal tenet as any religion, having it as personal tenet is enough to get the decisions
>>2498869human sacrifice is this, every single day so the sun goes up the next day (and it worked!)
>>2499042also they were eaten after, unironically, no bread shit
>>2498978That's Mr. Archbish of Canterbury.
reddit tier dlc
>>2499015muh ethno nationalism noooo
>only dukes and upwards can found monastic ordersI'm pretty sure a wealthy count/baron could be a founding patron as well irl, but I'm convinced Crusader Kings 3 dev team more and more wants to abolish all gameplay besides kings and emperors. I view that as them beign cheap and lazy fuckers who don't want to make sure their stuff works properly for lower level rulers.
who the fuck plays as count for longer than the first 5 years
>>2499130I do, or at least did. There are some play styles that are too difficult to maintain alongside a kingdom/empire administration and constant wars. In CK2 I loved to play as an autistic shut-in baron or count stargazer or development focused local noble. Scholar style gameplay seems to be on its way out for secular rulers now that we can play as clergy though.
you get so much shit from the royal court that boost development, activities, court roles, maa, knights that its a waste of time to be lower than a king in ck3.there are no playstyles that make it worth the while, i've tried them all already.if you absolutely want to be the lowest possible land there are cyprus, crete, kingdom of mann and canary islands, the smallest kingdoms while still having access to the court.you also want to always transition in to administrative government later if we are talking meta
playing a bishop is somewhat tall aswell but there is not enough shit to do without the court, although they added some things from adventurer gameplay like conversion of foreign rulers that you get via personal tenetsthese tenets are a lot of fun, some allow you to raid disregarding your gov or religion (but you need to be landed ofc)
>>2499128It's shit like this which make force you to expand instead of playing count tier lord. And it shouldn't work like this, it takes away the RP element, but let's be honest, CK3 is the epitome of being impossible to RP in.
you dont need to expand past the kingdom you are doing it because you are low iq and dont know what else to do without the game telling you explicitly
>>2498849I noticed that toohonestly I'm more surprised there isn't some option to just create one like one would with adventurers, but given the state the patch is in ATM, I wouldn't be shocked if they basically rushed it out the door "intending to" patch it laterthough when it comes to Tibet in particular I'm under the impression they want them to be more special, and I'd assume Tibet to be the star of any eastern monastic update
>>2499128found that out the hard way moving a Nestorian to Amakusa over in JapanI don't wanna kick Ritsuryou out but having to conquer Kyuushuu outright without displacing the Kampaku or Jukou whatever the fuck he's stuck as currently is a bit of a fug
Please, how cathedrals work, why can i mass shit them out outside of my patriarchy but not inside
>>2499015There shouldn't be any rulers besides identical clones of Haesteinn ruling every single countyThey all have matching to the county religions and cultures but they're all Haesteinn physically
If you found an Orthodox rite with armed pilgrimages will the Patriarch declare crusades?
I'm glad they added the Dulia and Hyperdulia stuff to the game because I can't wait to go around playing a campaign in which I completely forbid them like they should be and rid the Catholic faith of that blasphemous garbage.
cant take over a holy site?just declare that its not that important and elevate your one that you just created out of thin air instead
>>2499015Reddit trannies and wignat larpagans that both hate le abrahamics
im an antipope yet i still need to puppet the rival pope to create holy siteswhat is the point of being an antipope at all, i dont see anything you can do with it you gain a CB and a potential to take control over his entire area of control? id rather become an independent heresy where im at
why the fuck do i only have daughters now every game
polyamory still isnt fixed lmaoyou get tyranny for seducing your courtiersdevs doesnt play the game at all they just onions face over cuck chair cheevo
>>2499130I do but I start with 1 county, use mods like dark ages and don't go for meritocracy perk unless I have stewardship educationdefinitely feels good to spend 20 years as a count to finally rank up to duke, finally become one of the big boys in rich clothes
>>2485991>>2485999>>2486068>>2486773>>2495688Autistic Mesoamerican history anon here, do you have an email, twitter or discord? I'd be interested in providing info and fact checking stuff, at least as my schedule allows (I am admittedly often pretty busy though)>>2486573>>2486204That mod and the paradox forum thread are better then I expected, tho there's not too much to go off of just from the screenshots of that mod. The thread especially is very impressive, I've done 40+ post long infodumps here on 4chan just with stuff know off the top of my head, and even for me some of the info the OP there brings up are things I couldn't have mentioned without consulting my books/papersThat said, one issue I see throughout their post is uncritically repeating info about the "Toltec empire" as a region-wide superpower, and also taking info later Nahuatl accounts have about the Toltecs at face value, when it is the consensus now that such annals were heavily mythologized or entirely mythical, and that Tula was likely the head of one of many medium sized kingdoms in Central Mexico during the Epiclassic and early Postclassic, not a empire covering most of Central Mexico and that invaded/colonized the YucatanIn general, I think they're putting too much stock in colonial period chronicles of Prehispanic history (EX: Can we really trust Xolotl was a real person? I'm also not sure where they're getting the idea Xolotl would have been part of a Oto-Manguean group, I thought he was Nahua? This might just me being not super well read on the research around the Nahua migrations/Nahuatl spread, tho... on the flip side, I know that there's some recent research that argues that the Toetihuacanos may have actually been Nahuatl or proto-Nahuatl speakers), and there's a few other nitpicks I could give, but overall it's very detailed and well researched>>2499042I like some of Joubert's art, but that piece has issues. Compare to the more accurate art in the collage in pic related
>>2499302your more accurate art treats aztecs as noble savages why do you never post them skinning their prisoners, baking them on fires, cutting their entrails, smearing themselves with their blood and then cooking and eating the corpses, during a festival every 20 days
>>2499311I don't think you understand what "noble savage" meansAnyways, to answer your question, there simply aren't many pieces of accurate artwork depicting that kind of stuff. My best guess for why that is the case is that since sacrifice is so overemphasized in general pop culture depictions and normie understanding of Mesoamerica, that the artists who actually know their shit generally focus on depicting, well, anything else (and, similarly, while I don't MIND infodumping about sacrifices, I do prefer to focus on say their aqueducts or politics etc since less people have read about those things)The only art I know of that depict sacrifice with even somewhat accurate fashion and/or architecture would be pic related by H.M Herget (and even this takes a fair amount of liberties), a similar piece inspired by it made by Zdenek Burian (but it shows a few figures with VERY inaccurate attire), a depiction of gladiatorial Tlauauaniliztli sacrifice during Tlacaxipehualiztli by Angus Mcbride (only notable issue is one helmet looks wonky), a painting by Adrian Unzueta that shows Conquistadors being sacrificed and beheaded for the skull rack/towers (but like the Burian piece, some figures shown are quite inaccurate), A illustration by Jose Ignacio Redondo that shows a heart extraction sacrifice on a temple summit (mostly looks good aside from some ornaments one priest has and the fact the architecture lacked smooth plaster), and a depiction of Maya sacrifice by Peter Dennis (which is pretty much flawless)Having said that, I do, in fact, post those images when it is relevant to do so. EX: you can see me posting the Angus piece showing gladatorial sacrifice right here: https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/639120080/#639123150 where I, ironically, complained about how the same art posted in >>2499042 was inaccurate, but that I didn't have any accurate depictions of heart extractions to post as a better alternative, so I was posting the gladiatorial sacrifice artwork instead.
>>2499321mass ritual murder and torture every 20 days is not a topic you can shun offwhat you are doing is in fact called white washing or a lie by omission, trying to depict aztecs as peaceful farmers and artists
>>2499302heres some other quotes mexicans that are currently drawing inspiration from (the people they are not related to) indians should face the same fate
did they fix the fact organizing any activity with other people being as hard as organizing a D&D party IRL?
if you mean having to wait for people to show up you were always able to control who to invite, in general
>>2499350being unable to properly cut off the outlier that take ages to get there is the issueyou could only try to force it by only letting courtiers come in
is it good now?
There are some things I still don't fully understand about the new DLC, here's an example:>become a Christian missionary adventurer>convert some distant county/duchy (and its ruler) geographically cut off from the closest diocese>can only purchase sacred land and become a prince-bishop but cant request immediate elevation to archbishop from your pope/patriarch until the closest diocese annex your bishopric and THEN you may request the diocese split from your pope/patriarchDoes anyone know if that's how it is supposed to work?
How can I get into a war with the duke of genoa? I have a claim on his county, but using incite claim war would make me go to war against the holy roman empire.
>>2498751>867, start as the archbishop of Hamburg>On pilgrimage to Koln encounter dutch guy and recruit him>upon return home incite second holy war against the danes>we lost the first one, the east frankian king will now join only if I give him all the bonuses and join the war>okay>the dutch guy has the best martial of my court so he leads my armies (his stats spread from like 10 to 13)>we win>make the dutch guy my heir>go on pilgrimage>die on my way back>dutch guy becomes archbishop, is in his 30s, zealous, brave, generous>go on pilgrimage, encounter greek cutie, make her join my court, seduce her>adopt hyperdulia so she can be on my council>play tall, merge my archdiocese with others, incite one or two holy wars against slavs>over the years my greek stewardess gives me 3 daughters>over the years become cardinal>over the years all three of my daughters become zealous and become nuns>in my 60s become pope without trying>lose my archdiocesis, which now is all of germany, netherlands and lot of the slavic lands to the east>my daughters are nuns>call council>make hyperdulia main tenet and enact clerical equality>give the hamburg archdiocesis to my favorite daughter>die>play as the daughter, become cardinal, become pope in my 30s>make my sisters other archbishops and cardinals>pick up reincarnation as personal tenet>ponder my previous lifes>find out I am reincarneted saint Peter>call crusade for jerusalem>no christian kings come to join, only nobodies help>win becouse of mercs>by chance the kingdom of jerusalem gets queen as ruler>the male is weak>call council>only women can be priests now, hyperdulia + 2 military themed tenets>help the queen of jerusalem conquer syria and egypt>proclaim all other rites in the west heresies and basically wipe them out>without calling council turn christianity into female dominant religionMy popette was THIS cute and her kingdom of heaven was THIS big
>>2499464>memeshitI hate reddit and atheists
>>2499464based, this is what I would do if all my mods weren't fucked
Why are Christians freely able to choose human sacrifice and whatever the hell cranial trophies are as tenets, but not things like pursuit of knowledge or reincarnation?
>>2499701many are asking this
>>2499705is taking the heads of your enemies as trophies actually christian?
>>2499726idk, did they do it to Saxons?
>>2499726i think they changed design team in 6 years ago since the game came out, perhaps to eu5 ones, im seeing similarities it used to be allow everything for everyoneculture still does btw, they didng get their hands to it yet
>>2499733No? All of the non-generic cultural traditions are locked to heritage. You are not getting unique MAAs as an Albanian without hybridizing.About half the innovations are locked behind heritage, geographic regions, or the silk road. About a fifth require hybridizing to get.
>>2499794>without hybridizingyes, and there is no hybridization for religion, i just cant get these tenets at alli can gradually replace my whole culture to be indistinguishable from for example arabic or indian but i can never get their tenets (which are the same traditions but for religion) as a christian, for absolutely no reason
>>2499796now*you used to be able to do it, a week before, but not anymore
>>2499796while still keeping retarded meme shit like cannibalism
>>2498751The Archbishop of Canterbury keeps trying to convert my provinces because I founded a new rite and I don't know how to get him to stopno I do not have the new DLC if someone asks
>Make my vassal daughter co-monarch>She gets attacked>Can't help because I'm in the HRE and that's how border wars work>She loses her title and becomes an adventurer>She is now an independent adventurer but also still my co-monarchThis game is such a clusterfuck of half-assed mechanics now
>>2499796Maybe, Dualists should be allowed to get almost all the Christian exclusive tenets. They're basically a hybrid between Pagan Mystery Cults and the New Testiment.I assume that's what you're advocating for. An equivalent to hybrid cultures for faiths to represent potential faiths like Dualists.
>>2499809maybe everyone should be able to get everything like it was before.what is the point of heresy mechanic or culture change if you are forever locked based on predetermined regional religious traditions. Where is the player agency?let me decide what i can do in my game based on my personal intent, it shouldn't be easy but it should be possible
fucking shit keeps crashing every hour now
fuck this
>>2499824post error log
>>2499825are you QA memeber?
>>2499827no nigga, did you want help or are you a woman?
so the new religion rework is christianity focused but i had an idea for a rework for paganism with pagan tenets just being different pagan gods christian religions can't embrace as primary traits, and pagan religions can exchange gods more freely. I really like how it looks and feels so far so im thinking about doing it for hinduism or asatru next but is this actually a good idea or is it not as good of an idea as it sounds to me?
>>2499701medieval christians did believe that body parts of holy people had miraculous properties
>>2499726My granddad did that in Vietnam and his dad was a Southern Baptist Pastor
>>2499868>medieval
>>2499870its because you mutts are satanists, a colony of all religious filth that came out of europe furtherer degenerated with excess and geographic safety
>>2499867vanilla tenets are a bit more complex, despite all the issues i have with ck3 that is done well in this patchnot normie aimed at all, most people would not even bother reading what they do
>>2499879I think they're super cool yeah. My plan is to take some of those and spread them out to new gods as well so while nonchristians can't get those tenets they can get similar benefits. Like adding the spiritual fulfilment from childbirth from mother of god to tonantzin ect. or veneration of saints as a way to ascend to godhood.
>>2499875some countries are still living there
So did they lock creating new holy sites behind playing as clerical or can I do it as a secular ruler? I want to make my own East Asian rite of Christianity and convert East and Southeast Asia. Sure, I could always do this before, but I thought this DLC might make it more interesting. Creating a new Christian faith before meant no head of faith unless you used Rite to keep the old head of faith. Making a new head of faith requires a holy site.
>>2499868Only papists. Iconoclasm should never have been declared a heresy.
>>2499898you can do most of the same shit via pipetting the bishop or whoever is the head of that religion, they might be secular for pagans, then youll need to puppet them i guess or just create your own reformed one
>>2499901ah yea without holy sites you cant reform, basically its a cursed circle, youll need to become the head of faith, i think its whoever has the largest state, if that faith doesnt have a dedicated bishop or whatever
ability to excommunicate anyone in your diocese and take their title if they are your vassal is really powerful, theocracies are very strong when landed. Feudals lose again.
so the devs don't understand what "rite" means, right?
>>2499933They don't even know what "legend" means
>why did devs who hate christianity and europe make a shit game about christianity and europe??truly a mystery for the ages
it's hilarious how Jacob tried to label this as "the Jesus DLC", yet its all about undoing Christianity and portraying the church as secular corrupt institution, to the point where the only way to play the game and to use the mechanics is to commit a damnable heresy in the process
Did this update fuck up secret faiths? Or did switching your real faith always fuck up trying to change to your secret faith.
>>2499464ahem chud, it was a woman of color historically actually
>>2499963i dont know im not a cuck i never used that mechanic at all
>>2499933of course not, they are swedes
>>2499963That mechanic barely existed in 3
>>2500000Digits.
>Papal Bull
>>2500079There was more effort put into making that achievement than the actual mechanic of papal bulls btw
>>2499957>portraying the church exactly how it existed and functioned historically And they killed it, the personal faith fulfillment mechanics are what I really enjoy
how do I go from normal count start to becoming theocratic?
Why are elves like this?
Speaking of bullshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjS0JcRocg4
>>2500160mod?
>>2500215Elf Destiny
>>2499898>tattoosthe second you take asians out of asia they're ruined, simple as
>>2500227Her nails still look pretty cute.
>>2500228Based hand-fetishist.
Dead game
What are you actually meant to do as a bishop?
>>2500301become a gender fluid feminist cannibal witch and reform the chjurch to allow polyamory
Made a mod to fix the pozz that turns Catholicism into a cannibal matriarchal cult. Won't upload it to the workshop since Paradox would take it down for making it harder to make homosexuality and female adultary accepted. https://mega.nz/file/9fF1nB6A#4a0j-D3Jn80My1w9btwZIuokR4B84mXezFrpuUOXx50
>>2500307I ain't clicking that shit nigga, you can add a mod that restricts shit for reformation just fine on the workshop
>>2500307its the player who turns Catholicism into a cannibal matriarchal cult, chuddy, its the player
>>2498869That's covered by Transubstantiation. I guess Jesus know Christianity will eventually degrade into a human sacrifice cult due to how macabre it initially was, that's why he specifically taught his apostle to pretend bread and wine as his body and blood.
>>2500301same as in history, fuck everybody up for your own gainyou can change rites, excommunicate rulers (this is what needs to be nerfed imo, its too easy to do and bears no consequences for you like for example reducing your authority if you do it too often), demand heirs to become your monks, gain hooks, put your dynasty in to power, build cathedrals, etc
>>2500315or you could be a good boy and mend schisms and spread faith i guess
So 9 is the limit on holy sites, i've finally achieved it
>>2500319no problem, just demote levantive and alexandrian ones and get 3 more
>>2500307you know what maybe catholicism SHOULD be a cannibalistic matriarchal cult teach people to value brains a bit more
Basically despite all your whining ultimately ck3 is about a war between Abbasid and Carolingian houses, the game just doesn't push you in to it directly
>>2500329although historically it should be an alliance but there are no non marital alliances in the game
>>2500330No? You can get them with a diplomacy perk, or being blood brothers. Apparently you can also get it via house relations. But those have been broken for a few patches, and might as well be imposible to get to the heighest level.
>>2500371retard
>>2500307nigga tryna give me malware n shiet
>>2500377>>2500310Retards. It's literally just a mega file upload of mod files in a 7zip archive. Fucking zoomer newfags never heard of mega.
Getting back into this after foreverIs there much difference between the start dates other than the world map and what you want to interact with?Are the different holdings very important in terms of what to upgrade? Just build farms and fields for income?Does indonesian have any content whatosoever? Where's fun to play?thanks
>>2500386>Does indonesian have any content whatosoever?SEXO
>>2500385>Retards. It's literally just a mega file upload of mod files in a 7zip archive. Fucking zoomer newfags never heard of mega.Listen here faggotI grew up with Stile Project and rotten.com and Ogrish and I remember shitposting on Anime Death Tentacle Rape Whorehouse Moot's direct connect server before there was 4chinsI know what Mega isand I'm still NotClickingOnThatShit
>>2500386there are the mandala governments and wanua(sry idk how to spell it) tribal government types that are unique and there are javanese clothes that are really pretty from that area. also i recommend the rice and viet mods which are pretty much vanilla+ content
>>2500395>vanilla+ contentie free imbalanced shit, ie cheats
>>2500393
>>2500397so, same as all paradox dlc then
>>2500399i trust paradox to balance their game more than a random guy with no gamedev experience
>>2500401I would trust a drunk one legged unicyclist to be more balanced than Paradox.
>>2500402if thats your excuse to cheat
So I'm a scholar adventurer in China with the missionary decision and I'm currently painting the map Christian, which is frankly disgustingly easy.Any way to convert this into a landed bishopric or am I stuck with celestial estates and should just fuck off to India and try my luck there?
>>2500457you should be able to take decision to become a theocracy after you land
My playthrough is crashing and I can't figure out how to get it to not crash so I guess I'm waiting for the next patch now
>>2499464Funny stuff, now do it again but with the massive tits mod from loverslab.
>>2500468ive been waiting for it the last week, its never going to come, the game is dead they just ran with the money
Im 115 years old and one of my 20 concubines finally gave birth to a heir. All his siblings wre 70+ or dead. God truly favors the son of heven.
If you don't land all your children including your heir you're a coward and a crypto jew
AI Rome is the highest dev in the world in 1040 now, 80bullshit
>>2500482and other things 50 hours in to the game noobs sayi have 40+ children on each new character
>>2500480didnt they remove almost all lifespan modifiers from the game
>bought sacred land in India>Archbishopric forms years later>I'm "promoted" from a 5 slot, 3 holdings Prince-Bishopric to a landless ArchbishopEpic, truly epic
>>2500509>too stupid to press the button to reform in to a theocracy
>>2500536>Prince-BishopricI was already a theocracy, dum dum. The only button I could possibly press was "restore Temporal rule"Religion spread, the game spawned archbishoprics and there the land goes in a single popup to a clerical heir because for some reason the game immediately made me an archbishop of an archbishopric that didn't include the county. I have no land to reform into a theocracy now.
>>2500544then you should have made it in to a heresy first in order to be independent, stupid
Should I play CK2 or CK3?
you should play russian roulette
a week of work
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3813191652It's a modder's game and paradox is just creating new tools for them
>>2500594Isn't Dulia forbidden in Catholicism? That was like the main point of the Schism, that the East wanted to worship the Saints and the West didnt.
>>2500627but catholics worship saints?
>>2500629We ask them to intercede for us.
>>2500627No, both are fine with Dulia and the other ranks; Protodulia for Joseph, Hyperdulia for Mary, Latria for God.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3814697842Going to shill my mod since vanilla is practically unplayable currently. If you have any additional suggestions, let me know.
>>2500629except they don’t though. admiration != worship
>>2500703If you can add a Tenet for the Nestorian Christology, like how miaphysitism is for the Copts but is banned in the Chaledonian faith
>>2500737I'm pretty sure (actual) nestorianism can be distilled into having the theotokos tenet prohibited. But I'll think about it.
>>2500703>Rites that have female priests, permit homosexuality, and consider being a witch virtuous will be considered very heretical.erm this is not wholesome 100
okay how shit is the new dlc? is there any hope left for this game?
>>2500781
>>2500786>collapsing causes society
>>2500781i like it because i have a personal loathing for christianity to an unreasonable extent and do not like to play christian characters/spread Christianity and this mod really restructures religion and gives you a loy of tools to work with and make fun nonchristian content.
>>2500807mommy forced you to go to church?
>>2500781The personal tenants are really fun and add to roleplay. Some people have found a lot of fun playing in the clergy but its not really my bag. I wish they added a way for you to go from adventurer to Knightly Order.
>>2500809a couple of times actually but those arent my big issues. ive accepted im genuinely insane and idc about hiding it anymore but since i was like 12 ive had a intense devotion to the gods and dislike christianity because i see it as a godless and evil political organization. try not to be mean to christians about it these days and just be vocal against the religion not its believers. theres still faith and devotion there its just that they follow a weird book of rules and demand we worship a god i see as a rape god as the only god and i dont like that. I think jesus is fine just a manifestation of the sun they worship its the stuff they dont mention like hidden obligations and demands. anf christianity is an integrating religion that takes other beliefs and gods and goes “yes but” and makes you follow their laws. I see my gods all over it because they are all over everything.
>>2500781Haven't played around with it much, but the flavour is alright.In all of the DLC the flavour is good but the mechanics are shit.In Tours and Tournaments, competitions are flavourful and interesting, but grant insane prestige and piety. And make the AI sit around doing activities instead of engaging in politics and war. And that's one of the "good" DLC.Basically, the AI went from drooling retard to loony wacko when it comes to religion. The systems themselves weren't restrictive or reactive enough to deal with this. And now everyone's game has the Pope become a cannibal/nudist/polygamist/murderer all without player intervention.S&S is probably going to get kneecapped by this. They have half the dev team scrambling to hotfix this dumpster fire instead of working on S&S. Doesn't feel that way given how slow and nothing the hotfixes have been, but Paradox cannot into AI so I assume it'll take weeks before they'll figure how to unfuck it.
>>2500807>>2500817>>2500822you didnt play the game
>>2500822>In Tours and Tournaments, competitions are flavourful and interestingthey're not interesting and they're certainly not flavorful lol, i didn't even play the game that much and i can remember every single event that can happen there (apparently every tournament on earth has women posing as men)
woke right, only looking for an opportunity to claim victimhood
>>2500740that might just be the simple answer but if you can make a tenet it should be called Christotokos considering that is the their alternative title for Mary
china had a meritocratic system of government where anyone could get administrative position if they passed the state exam back when overwhelming majority of europeans were living in swamps or straw huts and sacrificing their children for a good harvest by the way
>>2500862we all know europeans were sea barbarians that even the land of yi could not tolerate but what happened is punishment from heaven that capitalized on the greed of the selfish and ambitious wherever they went. We are like demons with bloodthirst so strong that even our own skin lacks color, with very shallow family bonds who are made to develop might makes right mentalities and the world will always have scars from our behavior. What should we do about it? It is what it is. Too late to stop it irl anyway all humans are gonna be processed into manufactured standardized goods now. At least we can hide from that in the past. and we can integrate ourselves into the humans communities by crossbreeding and taste empathy and love. It sucks now but things will balance out.
>>2500870i guess taking in more syrian and pakistanian refugees would atone for some of our generational sins, my fellow europeans
>>2500882Nailed it.
>anyone could get administrative position if they passed the state examNote: the state exam was writing essays on confucian classics that had no relevancy to daily life, required years of study, and was purely a powertrip for elitist scholar class that would deny their lowers to the academies
>now dont me as i take an exam on Aristotle
mind
>>2500886>the state exam was writing essays on confucian classics that had no relevancy to daily lifeConfucianism is entirely relevant to daily life. It's the blueprint for successful moral politics and successful moral lifestyle in general.
>>2500821>since i was like 12 ive had a intense devotion to the godsAnd this was half a year ago?
when will I have a start date with pictstwo crusader kings and I've just been waiting on one thing
>>2500886400000 were trying to pass these exams every 3 years btw, usually only ~500 managed to, and everyone else became business advisors, artists and educators for the poor before trying again in 3 years. Stats from 10th century:
>>2500896would have been even higher if they allowed women to study
>>2500896It is bullshit, literacy in europe was way higher than that. It is just that shit like this is always done from modern perspective. But most people knew how to read, and usually spoke both latin and common tongue.
Not to mention that everyone had actual practical education in some art. Knew basics of healing or herbslism and knew a lot about the nature.
>>2500395yeah those are great mods
>>2500928anon in 10th century they only just stopped tying virgins to trees on winter
>>2500952one doesn't have anything to do with the other
>>2500952You are such a retard
even the simplest book (not even bound) did cost the equivalent of a heard of 30 sheep, for the price of one standard bible you could buy several acres of fertile land. Peasants did not have access to any of it, universal schools only appeared in 16th century after the reformation, stop coping
>>2500963nice headcanon
>>2500963china at the time was mass producing books with the woodblock printing method by the wayalthough their retarded script was their downfall in the end
>>2500928[citation needed]
>>2500862Anon, in reality only nobles and official families' sons passed the exams and got positions. Poorfags becoming officials was as rare in China as it was in Europe.
>>2500978at first yes, but during song dynasty and forward their percent grew significantly especially after anonymization of the test results, in 12th century majority of the graduates were from the poor
>>2500979same as everywhere today rich just had access to better teachers, besides the usual corruption.
>>2500890no lmao im almost 30 now. had a time where i thought like youre saying that hating abrahamic religions is just angsty edge but no they really are all evil. Christianity/Islam/Judaism are just different flavors of the same thing. You put a christian in charge and he does reforms to make the army look like a gay porn magazine and remove anything he thinks isnt in the bible. Put an muslim in charge and its similar but instead of that its a dude who thinks they’re holy and pious doing whatever he wants because his book says hes on top. And then theres Israel. >>2500928common reading is really recent, during the bronze ages very few clerics new how to read like less than 100 and in the bronze age collapse that got fucked then slowly people started agreeing on languages and the alphabet before we could actually make readable shit. Then it was still centuries before standardized spelling and dictionaries that let you know what exactly words mean and not have those be subjective. China didnt have that and instead everybody in asia adopted their script. So they had better literacy until the late modern era.
in europe they universally used latin, this was not the issue, economics was. Feudalism is a very primitive system of governance, legalized street thuggery basically. Thugs always want to keep their power, which comes from violence. Until individual cities started to grow more powerful than entire states via their economic power europe was a shithole
>>2500995cope
>>2500997I mean essentially medieval europe was the roman empire collapsed, europe was like medieval fallout and raiders eventually started their own kingdoms.
>>2500999this is the most romecuck view of medieval history, by 850, medieval times already surpassed rome
>>2500999actual roman descendants were in italia tho, doing what they always did, scheming against eachother , even on the ruinson that topic i was sort of hoping this dlc would represent the shithole rome was at the time, how it was ruled by the puppets of women of the Theophylacti family, how popes were keeping harems and doing funny things with animals because they gave 0 shits about that whole christianity thing
>>2500992Okay, two years ago
>>2501001if ck3 doesnt represent history its another point on why religious tenets should not be limited
I've noticed that a disproportionate amount of conquerors happen to spawn in the ahistorical fanfiction region known as West Africa, because everybody there is an independent count so there's more rulers to give the trait to
How do I make a Clerical Region / revive one? I control all of Syria and can't do it. Is it because I'm Nesotrian? The game says I'm mainline so I don't understand why I can't do it.
>>2501129click on yourself or your 'daddy' as a theocracynot sure about secular, maybe you need to puppet your head of right
>>2501034if you have a problem with conquerors disabling trait inheritance fixes it completely
>>2501034why is this place even in the game
so chuds like you would seethe
WE
>>2500928I'd believe it, even if it's AI slop answer. 10th century was probably the direst period in Europe, closest to genuinely being dark ages as it ever got. It's called The Iron Century for a reason. HRE especially was fucked because Otto The Great had only just began the process or unfucking Germany (that before him was still more tribal than not) and picking up the pieces of shattered Carolingian Empire.It's basically a comparison between Europe at it's worst and China at it's best.
>>2501191yea? then how do you explain this historical photo, genius
>>2501194or this
>>2501194>>2501196That's the Polalbian Slavs, they weren't literate because they could communicate telepathically and imbue telepathic messages into inanimate objects.10th century was their downfall as they were in the way of Germans and Poles trying to fulfill their mutual civilizational spirit of killing each other on the North European Plain that was promised to them on the blood soaked battlefield of Tollense Valley 2000 years before.
>>2501199>their blood was promised to me 2,000 years ago, goy
>>2501199yea, something like that
anon is getting represented in the game and still isnt happy
these fucking pins are getting stolen every single time during pilgrimage
is it possible to get a temporal head of faith as a christian religion
>>2501230oh you can, easily at thatnice
Contemporary peer of the English Bayeux Tapestry
>>2501250this
Alright made the ultimate rite fix>sets ecumenical councils to player only>adds the Muslim Enhancements guardrails to tons of religions so AI can't edit them randomly>more divergence and piety costs for tenets and rites that are controversialSee readme for more informationDownload link: https://mega.nz/file/5W1xxIgB#6AZq8i0KdzOF4U8BfHlSu-e1CJ4Y_3EyBqWagLC3hXMhttps://www.reddit.com/r/CrusaderKings/comments/1wyibkm/temporary_fix_for_ahistorical_rites_until_paradox/?
>>2501269so they had the fix for ai turning every religion into women clergy homosex accepted all along and decided to only use it for muslims?
>>2501278No, this is a mod
how do you expand your cunt as a theocracy surrounded by christian rulers
>Adventurer to administrative vassal in byzantine still broken a week laterReally taking your time paradox...
>that one mod i desperately need for my playthrough is not yet updated and the author is gone somewhere>current version breaks the game completely
Guys give it to me straight, after 6 years, which of the two is the best: CK2 or CK3? Talking about fun, immersion and ofc mod quality.For example, all my favourite CK2 mods (Elder Kings, Princes of Darkness, etc) already exist in CK3 for years and, for PoD in particular, I hear it has even surpassed the previous version.
>>2501298broken over in wapan, tooswearing fealty then flipping to admin still works for whatever that's worththough in the case of Japan good luck with those fucking elections, Yamato prop each other up like no other. Might be just as bad in Greece depending on how big some families get.
>>2500571>>2501310Ck2 is the more complete game and doesn't have the ugly 3D animated portraits.
oh fuck Japanese use Bushidou tenet in PoD now instead of uh Fragile Peacethat means SAMURAI
Christianity feels really unstable with the new dlc. New rites are constantly popping up
>>2501379I'm just waiting for the .1 update
>>2501379sounds realistic desu
>>2501379Honestly don't mind new rites, whatever, but mainline Christianity getting sweeping changes in councils with nobody batting an eye is retarded. They should have changed the system so there are core tenets that are hard to change and if you change them it effectively works like a reform or a schism and minor shit that's just the current period's flavour. Fuck, maybe it works like that, I wouldn't know because the multiple councils I saw have been steadily reforming church into a diversity parade with naked gays tancing on floats made out of dead people. Even the very first one I saw had some stupid doctrine straight out of a sex mod pass despite the vote being split exactly evenly.
>>2501392>steadily reforming church into a diversity parade with naked gays tancing on floats made out of dead people>>2501391
I dont know why people are surprised by DLCs being buggy mess and features not working as intended at this point. PDX never gave crap about actually playtesting for release, and every single dlc ever was a buggy mess on release, even the ones that later became popular.
>>2501395>be me>buy ck3 at launch and play it>it sucks>give it a month, drop it forever>buy no DLCs>problem solved
>>2501379>10 years in half of the HRE converts to some random ritebravo paradox
>>2501398I dont talk just about CK3, this goes for every single game PDX made in last 15 years. All the DLCs are always a buggy mess at release, because they dont give a shit about playtesting their stuff. It really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.
>>2501401Surely AI coding will fix this
>>2501402I am pretty sure AI could do a better job than PDX and their cohort of drunk Swedes smelling of pickled herring.
I hope that CK3 ends up in a state salvageable by mods, but every DLC since T&T has been a clusterfuck piled on top of what came before so I don't think it's likely
>>2501401I wish they never supported multiplayer desu, feels like every time I try to gauge if a DLC is worth fuckall having unplugged years ago it's some asshole griping about desyncs, wtf are these people smoking it's a fucking mappainter go play civ or meet and fuck on parchment in a hotel let me read about actual issues
>>2501416EU4 was killed by pandering to MPfags, a demographic that PDX admitted are less than 1% of the playerbase
>867 adventurer is the most popular start by far>1066 adventurer is 6thIf they added an iron century date do you think it would be more popular or less than a 1066 adventurer
>>2501414I mean, anything can be salvaged, all that is needed is a desire and will to do it. Sims 4 was marred by plenty of bugs for years that were ignored, but all it took was arabs buying EA and suddenly bunch of bugs got fixed.If PDX wanted to , they could easilly fix the game, but again, they dont care.
>uhhh just roleplay it dudewhy are they like this
>>2501310If you're not super autistic, 3 is better. If you are super autistic, it depends on what tickles or triggers your autism.
>>2501429Unfortunately half that 1% work for pdx, and the other half are cc's who all but work for pdx.
>>2501431867 genuinely ruined CK3 forever.
>>2501431Kill all custom character players and kill all gaystain players and the game will inevitably improve.
>>2501516You could made custom characters in CK2 as well, retard-kun. There is nothing wrong with that. And neither is there anything with wanting to fuck cute boys, as Plato said. It is a shame that CK3 doesn't have a startdate for the fall of Kamakura.
>>2501525gaystain = haesteinn>You could made custom characters in CK2 as wellCK2 had a different audience than CK3.
ugh i would never ever EVER play as a made up character with no historicity verifying their rule*starts as slavic pagan*
>>2501528Most of the dukes and counts are basically made up, because we know very little about them besides their names at best.
>>2501528Yes>>2501529>Most of the dukes and counts are basically made upNo they aren't
I loaded up my custom character run, I was an Anglo-Saxon explorer again. I set off from the shore and navigated to the Sinai peninsula, carefully managing my food supply as I went. I made sure only to recruit white males to my band. Then I sailed from the red sea to Japan. When I got there I switched my camp purpose to swords for hire. After a few years of building up I declared war for the shogunate. My white knights easily beating the inferior slants. Once I made myself emperor of Japan I immediately began marrying the members of my band to Japanese women. I created a Hapa ruling class, creating a new Anglo-Saxon-Yamato culture, and set about settling the 1,000 year reichu. This is the 17th time I've done this campaign, but as soon as the EU5 converter is set up I'll transfer them over and continue there. Then, when the EU5 to Victoria II (2) converter is set up I'll convert it to that.
>>2501529well done for getting the joke
>>2501533I like bringing my boys somewhere, making sure they're all married first, then getting a few huWhite generations before succumbing. My next goal is India and just destroying any family that fails to keep it in the caste, so to speak, I might start Greek just for mass arrests before moving to a real culture.
>>2501528https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kruto_the_Wend
Paradox thinks the Eucharist is about cannibalism.
>>2501431People will generally prefer the earliest possible start because it makes them feel like they have more time to play, even if, realistically, nobody plays anywhere near that long.
>>2501431They should've added 936 instead of 867 to begin with. 936 was the best CK2 start date and 867 wasn't the worst only because 769 existed.
>>2501608>Pursuit of Knowledge or Veneration of Elders? Fuck off heretic, that's not Christian>Literal cannibalism and blood games? Hell yeah, that's Based and Christpilled! Oh and let's also legalize adultery, homosexuality, divorce, and make the clergy female too! We are based and tradpilled after all!
>>2499875How is this different than the kind of shit the Muslims are doing over at the Kaaba?People just crushing and pushing one another in order to get to the "holy" thing.
>>2501608honestly im not a christian and i kinda see it that way even though Christians insist it isnt so it is what it is. Only difference is that it's just having someone embody christ and be sacrificed to/as him instead of just having the wine and bread be his flesh and blood. that's the whole point in changing the rite. It's redefining the beliefs.
>>2501635>>2501608Still sounding realistic desu.
>>2501528The worst part is people were complaining about Slav Pagans in CK2 because they were pretty much the most made-up divorced from reality guys back then but by now CK3 has half the Asia, Oceania and Africa staffed with randomly generated fantasy rulers, the Slav pagans are at least sometimes local legendary figures.
>>2501673I've never understood that complaint. The option is to either make up something that seems somewhat plausible or not have it at all. You can't put in accurate history when there aren't any good records.
>>2501608I don't hate it in theory. I can see the connection between cannibalism and eating body of Christ. It's a leap, but it is obvious it's what they're referencing.The issue is that AI is just too willing and ready to accept stuff they should almost all find utterly abhorrent and there aren't really any strong mechanics to punish and rein in the extremes. All of Christianity can decide a mortal sin is actually a virtue overnight and nobody even questions in. Fuck, even if somehow all of nobility and bishops and Pope agreed cannibal orgies are okay the peasants led by lowly priests should treat the Catholic Church to a Reformation on steroids and a Thirty Years War that's more like Three Hundred Years War.A depraved cannibal church should be something a player achieves after centuries of dedicated effort and probably requiring exploits to actually convert all of Christianity to it, not something that happens accidentally when you aren't looking.
>>2501431i start in 867 to have more time and free possibilities to do whatever but at the same time i never finish the game, drop it before 1200 in fact
>>2501608the game is not historical, any retard that puts "historical" guardrails on what you can do should be fired
if you want to prevent AI from diverging the faiths too much you can easily achieve it via piety costs, AI never accumulated as much piety or renown as the player
>>2501608Paradox are non-Christians? The claim that eucharist is cannibalism has been around since the birth of Christianity. Even in Japan in the 1500s they claimed the padres ate human flesh.
>>2498978paradox venerates christcuck history but woke right is never happy
>>2501608it is though.https://youtu.be/12ALmk4qpxE?si=7dxpfSlyvCEEl6N7
what are you supposed to do as a theocratic government when you can't even declare wars on people
>>2501768play at the border if you want war immediately. Otherwise build up, upgrade culture, spread dinasty, become a patriarch, reform in to war monger i guess
>>2501414I just hope next dlc will be last, unless they rework cultures and add minorities in some way or simulate population then I don't care
>>2501763>turning Christianity into some canibalistic polygamous cult is venerationIf you think that, I don't want to know what you consider defamation.
The ck3 community seems to be 95% bots. Paradox release a game killing dlc and patch and a week later nobody gives a shit about the game being killed off by le wacky rite randomness.
>>2501828>turns Christianity into a cannibalistic polygamous cult>omg, i cant believe paradox would do thatwhy are chuds like that
>>2501865>why would someone expect historicity from a historical gameWhy are liberals like this?
>>2501885>historicity dont break it then?
I hope they drop a patch today, issues were a little too rampant for me
>>2501886Tell that to PDX, you dumb shill
>>2501903ai never enacts cannibalism, you dumb chud
>>2501905You are retarded and clearly dont understand hyperbole, also the fact that the entire theocratic gameplay is just this is enough to show how shit the dlc is
>>2501907
>>2501908also the fact that mods have to add basic stuff like actual relations https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3813457312
>>2501907you didnt play the game or is too stupid for it, move along
>All those apologies after coronations dlc>Make a dlc just as broken a year laterAhh classic Paradox
this DLC is just the latest in paradox creating content for their redditor normgroid audienceno shit it's unfinished, buggy and full of retarded non-functioning mechanicsjust like EU5 I wouldn't be surprised if all of their games are vibecoded by indians straight from mumbai
5 pm in swedenland, guess that means no patch this weekend, fuck
Now we know which game won. Not ck3. Now ck3fags can't say it's better than ck2 since Paradox killed the game with BGA.
give me china in CK2 and personality traits not change every 5 months and I'll go back
>>2501952>I wouldn't be surprised if all of their games are vibecoded by indians straight from mumbaiI can't speak for all my colleauges but I am from Kolkata
how are you supposed to build up 500 gold to make a kingdom title when you're just a duchy or twois this for real? is there a discount for holding more of the kingdom title's territory?
>>2502146Kangdoms are supposed to be hard to form. You're supposed to take already-formed kingdoms. The exception is tribals, which are easy to get gold from raiding and not having to spend gold on your army. Or, do your econ and research.
>>2502146The easiest way is to do the stewardship tree and get the free money buttons
>>2502146Max out the intrigue tree, kidnap a courtier with high intrigue as your spymaster, then kidnap rulers for ransom money.
What's a good MAA stack build for playing as the Normans? I have six slots and two of them are Conrois
>>2501635Christianity has access to something better than Pursuit of Knowledge.Just good luck trying to adopt it as a personal tenet without reforming a rite into it first.
CK3 will never be as cool as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvKRbi2ovDY
>>2502399I will never again doubt myself for my weird taste in music.
>>2502425Which music is that?
So do we get another apology letter from the devs for this shitshow?
>>2502502No the community stopped caring for some reason.
>>2502502why would they apologize? if you take a cursory look at reddit you'll see that most of the people there think it's actually good and extremely funny to have cannibal catholicism with female priests and fag marriageon steam forums you've got morons make excuses for paradox after once again releasing broken and buggy DLC
>>2502502The average player thinks being a sandbox is more important than historical accuracy, hence the gay female Popes and cannibalism >>2502509
>>2502502they shrugged off the Turks. Why would they apologize to you when you're not even doing anything?
Why don't they just make a CK like game but fantasy? You'd be able to do all the wacky shit in there including magicFantasy is always more popular than history so it'd be even more popular than CK
>>2502586they're branching out into postapoc, they might do fantasy in, like, ten years.
>>2502586>>2502590They already did, you are forgetting they published Tyranny and bought Age of Wonders. Also the unholy abomination that is the modern WoD slop that they keep producing.
>>2502597>CK like gameI've never heard of Age of Wonders before but they haven't released anything like CK
>>2502603Holy newfag
>make my own custom rite of Catholicism>only difference is priests can marryyep, all one needs
>>2502647So you have merely returned to tradition before the Council of Nicea
>>2502650They only made it universal in the church in 1139.
>>2502650>>2502655Church discipline, not Church Dogmabut the point stands, even though I don't have the DLC I would like my own Archbishop
I'm playing CK2. Do you guys have a favorite government type to play as?
>>2502669The Muslim one because of their succession type
>>2502669Tanistry ftw, your rulers will be old as fuck, but they usually come with quite high stats and it is really easy to centralize your realm by inheriting land.
>>2502703that's a succession law not government type
is there a 'best' lifestyle?
>>2502845Left stewardship with middle stewardship following closely behind.Everything else is either situational and/or for rp
>>2498751What is really hate about the new update is that the AI doesn't give a shit about what tennets to pick, if you let the game run long enough, cannibalism and human sacrifice will become main tennets of Catholicism, i also feel like the border gore is way worse than before
>>2502891is it the same with islam? or did paradox put some rails there to protect their religion
>>2502895I think Ecumenical councils are exclusive to Christian faiths and I think those are the root of the problem, I imagine the AI doesn't really care about what it does during activities so it's intents are random
>>2502895Yes. Unless you install this >>2501269 or Muslim Enhancements the AI freely changes every rite in the game.
Rate my tall Serbia My religion is Krstjani
>>2503033please learn how to screenshot
>Erm. don't you know its always going to be buggy? Just stop complaining. >Erm. you don't know how to 'roleplay' properly. Watch my video on how to do it!>Erm. You are the one ruining your own fun. Paradox has gone to the Creative Assembly school of community management and has successfully surrounded themselves with paid 'influencers'. Tarkusarkusar isn't the worst but at the end of the day he is on Paradox's payroll and people like him are a big reason why popular opinion won't be a major issue for Paradox anymore.
Anyone do any custom Taoist Rites that were fun?
>>2503150Yeah. Paradox has locked down the community to a bunch of sycophants. If the buggiest release in the history of ck3 gets no real sustained flak even after Coronations you know Paradox has the community wrapped around their thumb. And they banned all the harsh critics on steam over the years and the ones remaining have to stay as polite as possible and not rock the boat too much.
>chinks use ai to decompile the paradox games>then use ai to make the maps a globeWelcome to the future.
I see that they changed a couple of tenets since the last update, any noticeable buffs to the old tenets? Also did they change something with tenet modding, because I vaguely remember that adding 2 mods that add new tenets would absolutely brick the game.
>>2503218>any noticeable buffs to the old tenetsThe Divine Marriage tenet got a buff so it's no longer a "just for flavor" tenet (imo it was previously pretty shit)previously:>+10 vassal opinion if married to closely related spouse>+500 piety for monogamous marriage to closely relatednow:>vassals less likely to rebel if married to closely related spouse>+10 vassal opinion if married to closely related spouse>+10 spouse opinion>+500 piety for monogamous marriage to closely related>+15% Chance to inherit or gain congenital traits (counts towards both positive and negative traits)>+10% Chance to upgrade congenital traits (counts towards both positive and negative traits)
>>2503211After Imperator, I was 100% convinced EU5 would be a globe.
>>2503218>Also did they change something with tenet moddingThey reworked the religion system, also tenets can provide a personal change aside from the overall religious change. Like the pursuit of power personal tenet let's you be a conqueror whenever.
Christianity is worse to play in this update if you aren't trying to abuse a pope of your dynasty
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3817007129
>>2503308>see India>day ruined
On my first playthrough I'm getting the feeling like picking China just because it was one of the tutorials was a mistake.My first generation was fine, just sitting around and building up my family and writing poems while governing and becoming grand chancellor.Second generation was mostly more of the same except I was never assigned land all the way to merit rank 2, so my income was bad.And then the era of division happened, and it seems like I basically can't do anything and will have to sit and watch until the next era since I can't make a significant army with this income and military cap. I thought I would have a shot at taking a governorship post-division, but the country my domicile is in doesn't even have a governor position and none of the non-war deposition options are valid.So I feel like I'm going to have nothing to do for another 1 1/2 generations until this happens again. All I really gained out of this generation that was different from the previous one was that I got inducted into witchcraft, which has been kind of funny.
>>2503335You learned some important lessons yes? I would say that counts as a tutorial.
>>2503308bullshit, everyone knows that the church and everyone else thought that the earth is flat at the time
i didnt think they woud just abandon the game like that
>>2503335Being a governor in China is fine as a new player as long as China remains stable, which is the case for 1066 at least.Especially during other start dates, you should have a sense of how to ensure China doesn't divide itself, or know how to take advantage of that to put yourself on the throne. The latter of course requiring you to know at least somewhat what you are doing.
>>2503373>>2503359I think it'd be workable if not for the fact that after the first generation there is a constant supply of Merit Rank 1 guys and my second generation guy will never get any kind of governorship before the division happens.If I at least had any land then maybe I could attempt to learn to fight wars, but that's not an option with 500 guys.I suppose I would have to avoid division like you said, but I'm not really sure what my goal is after that other than study all day to maybe become governor of a county when I'm 65 years old, and then lose it when he dies.
Thinking of getting back into this game so watched some recent videos on it and browsed the subreddit, is all this hooting and hollering they're doing about cannibal feminist popes player-led or does the AI do that on observer? I'll just give it a miss if it's a quirk chungus update.
>>2503382The AI pope can permit or prohibit literally anything. I immediately made a mod severely restricting the pope after the ai prohibited charity and dulia in my game, so I never personally experienced an AI pope making cannibalism a core tenet, amongst others. Neither the AI nor player should be able to do that though
>>2503382With enough time, all religions on the map will become extremely degenerate due to AIs having no limits on what rites can be changed
>>2503396there is a limit its called diversion
LIARKILLERDEMON!
>>2503400Doesn't actually do anything if you're the main rite
>>2503403Are those spergs still at it? They do know paradox has shrugged off much worse right? For better or worse they're immune to political schizos.
Thinking about playing Sardinia att the first time start Any tips/advice?
Dead game dead thread Should all just move back to /gsg/ again
>>2503444I'd rather die.
>>2503403>People ITT think Paradox is going to remove the meme shit from By God Alone because of their complaints, when they completely ignored the great Türkish spergout that got so heated even Türkish news talked about it
Took ages but I finally got The Two Swords. Abductions wound up being the most consistent way to get both the puppets in a timely manner but if Alex 2 gets puppeted too early you're just kinda fucked for a while. Got my empire of Italia set up very nicely for Mathilda to die at the ripe old age if 55 and for her son to eventually take over Croatia and Serbia to unite the empire. I think once Ive comfortably played this run out I'll be going for The Heavenly Kingdom achievement
>>2503487How quickly did you get papal bull?
>>2503492I actually still have not gotten that unfortunately. I got really close I managed to get Alexander to seduce my husband but he failed the check like the worthless FAGGOT that he is. I'll try with a descendent since I'll play out at least a few at this rate
>Cathedral domicile in the middle of enemy asatru england>Can't upgrade my buildings further because other buildings need itSo how do I move it?
>>2503494>So how do I move it?Notepad, just like anything else in Paradox games.
ck2 question - playing as duke of tuscany, now king of sardinia and corsica but Lord Mayors of Pisa are Pissaing me off for like 4 generations now - how can I make them feudal without giving the barony (and thus making gigastrong vassal) to a courtier for game to self correct the gov type?
>>2503494Dont be a weakling; start a holy war to free England from Asatru invaders.
>finally man up and try ck3>play the tutorial, better made than i had feared>find a scottish wife with high intrigue >named stella, like my wife from helluva boss>friend tells me a guy up north is planning a war>make a scheme to befriend him>i get sick and get to choose between two doctors>evil lady or normal lady, i pick normal because i'm a clever lad>guy from up north asks if he can marry my doctor>yeah sure i guess>doctor leaves to go live up north, i hadn't thought that one through this is actually pretty funi want to be a spy dude
lmao
>>2503382 here. Nevermind, >>2503557 answered my question.
>>2503218Ritual cannibalism now lets you eat the guest of honor during a feast for an opinion buff with attendants and a free murder if they're same faith and not cynical.I found it to be pretty good with clearing up succession.
>>2503566That mouth has always been far too overly detailed. Most of this game is just the developers putting their fetishes into it now, papal bull, all the fart events, and vore being just three examples.
>>2503575>papal bullYou are a brain-rotted retard and should downscale the time you spend on the internet. Papal Bulls are documents signed with the Big Papal Seal which is called the Bull. The only thing wrong about them in the DLC is how common they are. They were the highest and most special of all Papal documents. But of course, for that PDX would first need to be competent at research and knwo that there are different digrees of importance in sacral, secular and papal documents and each has its specific purpose.
>>2503589>he doesn't knowAnon, they added an achievement called "Papal Bull" to get the Pope to fuck your wife.I agree the devs should touch grass though.
>>2503596>achievementsWho cares? I have never ever looked at those because I play with modified game rules, mods and cheats (only correct way to play the game).
>>2503575I'm surprised they haven't added zoophilia and blacked events yet
>>2503589Your wife surely talks about the Big Papal Seal a lot, uh
>>2503598I don't care about getting cheevos either, but the devs putting their fetishes in as achievements is weird.
>>2503609I dont know why people are outraged by it. This is what modern PDX is all about. As I said, I am more angry over the lack of even basic research. I could easily overlook the shitty fetish bait, if they actually put in effort in and made the game actually good.
>>2503632It's a real mask off moment considering they've spent years paying actual historians to appear in their promo vids to pretend they're real serious history games and not incest cuck cannibal sims.
who cares about a joke achievement? every game/dlc they make has joke achievements. >>2503599bro hears one joke and immediately starts thinking about black penis.
>>2503644"Bull" is a hyper-specific term that only one well versed in cuckoldry circles OR chronically online would know.Something like "pope-mobile" to travel to over 100 places as the pope would be a normal pun-achievement, because everyone knows what the popemobile is, "bull" as a term of one who cucks you is a niche fetish term. It'd be like putting in "rusty trombone", have your jester play an antiquated song.
>>2503649Everyone on the internet has been well versed in cuckoldry since 2015
>>2503651Being aware of the concept of cuckoldry does not mean you know the specific terms for the participants. If they put in a "Crusader Quean" achievement to have your husband sleep with many other women it would also be weird.
>>2503575
>>2498751how do you deal with CK3 being shit and pozzed
>>2501533This but my Viking shield-maiden matriarchy voyaging to West Africa to spread the word of Freyja
>>2501608christcucks started this with the insane shit in the bible, "hey dude this is my body and blood let's eat and drink this shit" well now look where it gets you.bible needs to get forgotten fast and we need a new philosophy without superstition.
>>2503706>how do you deal with CK3 being shit and pozzedI quit playing it shortly after launch.
>>2503706I play it once a year and get mad
>>2503719we are the same
>>2503710Thank you, reddit a decade ago, very cool!
>>2503649>OR chronically online would know.everyone is chronically online in 2026.
>>2501533Wouldn’t China and the 100 concubines or whatever be better for your goals?
>>2503733Sorry, CCPbot, still not going to like China.
>>2503735You WILL create the glorious Anglo-Han 10,000 year heavenly kingdom.
>>2503730just because atheism is redditcore and tranny now doesn't mean i'm going to become a christcuck
>>2503742Calling any religion "superstition" instantly makes you the biggest loser in the room, and I say that as an atheist.
>>2503743that is what religions are.i accept your concession.
>>2503748its the same as calling governments you disagree with "regimes", it's a needlessly biased partisan term only used by people with no interest in good faith discussion
>>2503751look up the Jefferson Bible. all i'm advocating for is the philosophy without the metaphysical junk.
>>2503754You should really look into religions that are open to non-theistic interpretations then, like Buddhism or whatever brand of paganism is trending on tiktok this week. Christianity is inherently metaphysical and there's no way to uncouple it from that.
>>2503756but the christians have the best morality.they don't get to monopolize it.
>>2503758it's basically reskinned stoicism except instead of using your own willpower they borrowed jewish/zoroastrian god punishments to keep you in line
>>2503759gonna read my child the Meditations every night
>>2503760as god intended
>>2501733>any retard that puts "historical" guardrails on what you can do should be firedthat's not the issue dumbassthe issue is that the ai shouldn't be doing this shit on its own
>>2503754>look up the Jefferson Bible. all i'm advocating for is the philosophy without the metaphysical junk.You are a fool. The philosophy is directly downstream of, and a direct result of, the “metaphysical junk”.
>>2503766that's not true.
>>2503150You need this video for the Chud take.
>>2503825No, I won't watch your video
>>2503754Is that realistically possible?I think that even if your faith is that religions are wrong, you can recognize the value of teaching a child to do the right thing when no one is looking.Whatever, this is off topic. Although, I wonder how many people play games like this and feel legitimately bad choosing evil options. Maybe making it a little cartoony helps, but when strategy games like this give characters faces and focus more on the human side of things, there are more barriers to actually exploring the whole option tree.
>>2503827It's not mine, the guy is a pedo.
>>2503764The AI just likes to press buttons, maybe because not pressing buttons means the player won't see anything happening, and get bored.A ruler will blackmail you and then invite you to a party and ask you to take care of their kids in consecutive weeks.
>>2503599It's coming with silk and silver.
>>2503833jesus
>>2503825i watched 2 videos about the dlc and that was one of them
>>2503566>pretty good with clearing up succession.oh my god we are still at successionand you people express your opinions about game design
>>2498789>>2498869All Human sacrifice is to stop with the crucification of Christ, that's Christian doctrine
>>2503589Is that what your wife told you?
>>2503888This but with animals. No ragebaiting.If you disagree you're a shade of brown.
>>2503917Well sure it was just about human sacrifice. Animal sacrifice never made sense outside of eastern mysticism like Judaism, why would God accept the premise of you "putting your sins into animal" and sacrificing it. That doesn't seem to have any divine connection. Human sacrifice would though, but not after Christ who already died for our sins.
>>2503888That's the CURRENT doctrine. Doctrine can and has changed all the time. The loose reasoning for embracing cannibalism is already present in the theology. You would argue that it's an incorrect interpretation, and I would agree, but I can certainly see how someone could come to a different conclusion.There's a number of things in existing large sects that frankly have less theological basis.The only historical issue here is that the christcucks don't start killing each other over big doctrine arguments quicker considering they did that over substantially lesser issues all the time.
>>2503708This, but with lewd mods active.
>+1000 renownWhere were you when Albanians became the most powerful people in the world?
>>2503403Saving this.
>>2503920What the fuck are you blabbering about schizo. There is no relevant Christian faith that embraces cannibalism. Yeah no shit Orthodox and Catholics don't fight each other over something where they agree on the same thing. Random sects do not represent the direction of Chrisitanity
>>2503926Considering it will take at least 100 or so years into the game to pull it off, 1000 renown is not that much.
>>2503930There is no current relevant christian faith that embraces cannibalism. Not the point, simply saying there is a (wrong) theological argument to be made.>Random sects do not represent the direction of ChrisitanityEverything started as a random sect. Once a sect is successful enough they just start calling it a "denomination" Literally just look at the mormons for a modern case of a start up sect being very successful.
time to pray they fixed the most annoying shit since they prolly won't do fuckall until the merchant DLC drops and breaks god knows what else
>>2503833Fucking hell. We need a mod to remove this fucking pozz after S&S comes out.
>>2503935That is not catching on though.Mormonism represents the times of the second great awakening when Americans were more isolated from the rest of the Christian world in Europe and developed various offshoot religions like that. Today with interconnectivity of the entire world, such developments just aren't happening anymore in the same way that new regional language dialects are also not increasing, rather dialects just unify to a national or international standard due to the information technology of today.
>Ecumenical Council debates now have an AI opponent who makes their own sway attempts and cannot be swayed, unless a player already leads the opposing side.>Editing the mainline rite now requires proposed tenets to be at least Very Popular.>AI Ecumenical Council hosts now generally propose the nearest doctrine change, with exceptions for Heralds, Heresiarchs, madness, or strong preferences.Oh hey, no more quirky chungy polyamory cannibalism Christianity just because you passed a skill check.
NO FUN ALLOWED not like it matters when there are better ways to instantly make money
>>2503942Threadly reminder that you’re supposed to decide for yourself when each Paradox games goes to shit with DLC bloat, and then roll back to whatever you think the last acceptable patch was, and stay there.
>Editing the mainline rite now requires proposed tenets to be at least Very Popular.i hate you all
>>2498789reminder that you will never be a woman
>>2503979Ha!
>>2503934>Considering it will take at least 100 or so years into the game to pull it offVarangian Adventurers and regular Adventurers exist howeverbeit
>>2503979Based. Sandbox tards get the ropeNo feminist gay cannibal Catholicism for you
>>2504003ck3 was always a sandbox, thats why it was popular, new devs come to ruin it
>>2504005A sandbox without walls is just an open-air litterbox.
>>2504009that depends on you, will you shit in it or build a castle
>>2504011>build a castleWith what? A mold? Sure sounds like railroading to me.You’ve made your bed of sand; now lie in it.
>still no permanent rite AI retardation fix>literally had to make a major patch for basic common sense trigger checksParadox devs just vibecode and ship dlcs with the bare minimum effort.
this game is going in to the shitterthere are drones who unironically want it to become like eu5
>>2503921Post them I need
>>2504043>there are drones who unironically want it to become like eu5EU5 is only like that because they wanted to make it like CK3.
>>2504051they cant be more distinct you have 0 interactions with characters in eu5, culture is 95% pointless (diversity is the weakness unironically) except a few cultures that have unique techs but devs wont tell you which tehehe, you cant declare wars without jumping through 10 hoops first, you cant do shit basically, this is their vision for ck3 too now
>>2503976i slept on Stellaris for 10 years, can you tell me which patch i should go back to.
>>2503942You mean a mod to get rid of the black people from the coomer sex mod interracial takeover, which is what that screenshot is from? which would make it into a bleaching sim, which would be high kino actually
>>2504096stellaris is and always was a shit game, after 100 hours or even less you saw everything, playing after that is a perpetual groundhog day and it doesnt matter which dlc you use, gameplay is the same for everyone and it didnt fundamentally change in 10 years.
>>2504125that's not true, i remember when it launched it was more sandbox-y, but they jettisoned all the different FTLs for one size fits all which made it very boring even if "balance" was improved. want to leverage your warp FTL to efficiently explore a spiral galaxy? too bad eat shit.
>>2504096the one just before wormhole ftl travel was removed
>>2503844>>2503942Did you actually think this is from Silk and Silver, Jesus Christ
Speaking of fetish content, I can't play this game without Medieval Matriarchs.
>>2504125not him but I liked the idea of the Great Khan when it first rolled outevery time I reinstalled he always shat the bed doing some dumb shit or got stuck in some quagmire until he unceremoniously died to random bullshit unfortunately, I assume he still isn't really all that Great. I'd take a surprise endgame crisis variant for the heavy "oh shit" realization around end of midgame the midboss event didn't fire.
>>2504229What's that?
Test
>>2503949Don't worry, your religion won't die. It will just transform into something unrecognizable to you. The good news is that the version of it you follow is unrecognizable to the original adherents so that's hardly unprecedented.
>>2504003Nonsense, it'll just take more effort to get that result. Which is fine, the joy of corruption is only increased with difficulty.
>>2502146Press the extort subject button
>>2504258Just the usual stuff. Amazons, scythians, installing female supremacy across the world, sapphic sex parties.
>>2504342>lesbianslopI just yawned so long I was gasping for air after.
>>2504342Boooooo. I wanted gentle momdom and nursing handjobs.
>>2503949>Today with interconnectivity of the entire world, such developments just aren't happening anymoreTell that to all the heretical versions of Christianity where they're fine with gay marriage, people transitioning, and astrology
>>2504479It's somehow not a sex mod.
>pod>become grail knight>have bloodsorcery>can spam instant -10 stress spell from a full stress bar while paused
>>2504559also I found out real quickly that the piety cost for changing a ghoul's personality is twice than indicated, so it's -500 piety a pop rather than -250
>be me, adventurer>running around nafrica to eventually get to a holy site in fes to land>local kang decides I'm a bad dude for some reason (probably proselytizing while christian and/or high gallowsbait and witch), kicks me out>take my time>leaving, he tries to arrest me>whatever, I have 6 stacks of eastern horsemen >beat him despite him calling in half the muslims in the world>suddenly a kang myselfDon't think it should work like "I don't want to be arrested, I guess I'll have to usurp all his titles," seems exploitable to me.(And I did get a holy site, just the shitty carthago dread one (don't know why fes and carthage are holy sites for christians)).
>>2504625To be fair that's exactly how it works in Africa in the present day.
Do tributaries count for "expand the realm" oaths?I assume not.
>>2504869Don't think they count as realm size. Only vassals do.
Travel events and activities are fucking unbearable if you try to play for more than a little while. What were they thinking?
>>2498754What else are really strong tenets? fertility actually doesn't matter at all for mooks since they're childcapped so hard I like the flavor though of CarnalExaltReincarnation is very strong, 10% lifestyle exp for everybody is like... hundreds of major milestones for Catholics
>>2504918Wut? I love those.
>>2504523I was talking about local offshoots and developments. PC politics influencing mainstream religion is another discussion entirely. Which yeah that is happening and degenerate, but it's not the same as people somewhere developing their own religion because they're just so isolated in terms of communication with the rest of the world.Maybe when there are the first settlers on Mars
I haven't touched CK3 in a while but if I'm understanding things the issue with By God Alone is that Christianity is pretty much guaranteed to devolve into some sort of cannibalistic meme cult every single game. Did I get it right? Are there other issues as well?
Which ones do I check for the mod to work well? I don't remember, been playing HIIP in the meantime.
>>2504943Already fixed unfortunately.
>>2504943In short they reskinned admin for the unth time because some jackass at pdox has a hardon for artificial puddle deep complexity and this might be the worst version of those mechanics.
>>2504941New sects and cults are created every year, and all religions start out as sects and cults. If enough people join them, they become a religion. Literally, Scientology is the most recent example of this.
>>2504991The reformation (over the long term) kind of killed sects by erasing the concept of a controlling body for the religion.Like sure, historically protestants would still get tribal with each other sometimes, but in the modern day your tenets are up to you, and no one really cares which denomination of church you go to. Plenty probably don't even know what the official differences are because it's that irrelevant.You could say that means there are as many sects as there are people, but at that point it isn't religion deciding how the people feel about societal issues, it's culture.
>>2504918ck3 has suffered what I call "dnd bloat"Unless it's an interesting battle or unique experience, a narrative doesn't need to capture every single day of travel or down time. A good DM knows when to commit to a timeskip and say "a week has passed, you've now arrived." CK peppers the game with meaningless, minor activities about unimportant characters, and, meanwhile, there's no actual strategic issue with traveling, both in terms of military action or domestic politics. But there are plenty of DMs who want to show off the worldbuilding with plenty of wacky one-offs that could be explored further in an RPG that don't work in a frame like CK, and would be better of in something like M&B where you can have fun with a physical challenge instead of just making a dice roll
>>2505028That's just because travel in DND is trivial.In DND, there are downtime actions which are assumed to be taken whenever time is skipped over. Any halfway decent party will have a set of downtime actions which solves traveling safely. Survival is solved once you get Goodberry. Hostile encounters are a drain until the party gets to 4th level when wildlife stops being a threat. At which point they'll at least have treasure and moreso be an objective than a nuisance.The only issues that aren't trivialized during standard play are travel time and hauling capacity. You can solve one, but not the other until you get access to both Demiplane and Planeshift. Which is beyond standard play.Side tangent aside. The problems with logistic don't exist for rulers, armies forage from supply capacity, and travel supplies are assumed to be abundant until you get that one random event where you lose all of it. Adventurer provisions are closer, but for some reason, they can last forever and are only consumed while traveling. I guess they're foraging with zero repercussions.The current army system sucks and has some weird headscratchers. Like how being a better general means you can pay your army less. The fact the caravan guards don't really exist is a symptom of this. There's modifiers to stop you from going into active battles, which do very little to redirect travel as travel paths can't be changed once set. No such modifiers for standing armies, there's no difference between walking into a rivals army vs the fringe of his territory when traveling.Bandits are weird, there are two disconnected systems. Control and criminal adventurers. Low control implies the existance of bandits and brigands, and criminal adventurers are the upper echilons of those masses. Why low control doesn't generate criminal adventurers and tie them together is beyond me. Infact, you could have criminal adventurers control crime and be forced to negotiate or send in the army.
>>2504248The Great Khan never felt interesting to me, he always either comes too early and rapes everybody or comes too late and can't do shit. There's no reason to fight him either when you can just pay tribute for some 5 years and watch them collapse when their leader dies.
I have about 100 male kids and grandchildrens and I'm set up to conquer China, what's the best way to get them all in position of power within the Celestial system?
>>2505232>There's no reason to fight him either when you can just pay tribute for some 5 years and watch them collapse when their leader dies.Why didn't they do this IRL???
>>2505331
>>2504945check all except faces modification + MB
>>2501841what communitynobody plays this game
Is there a good reason to stay feudal and not go admin if I have the chance?
>>2505490what's the best admin gov? celestial?
>>2505468ck3 went to complete shit with BGA. The game has more mana pools than EU4. It's full arcade at this point. There's a fucking spiritual fulfillment bar and personal tenets in muh medieval simulation. Paradox thinks medieval bishops and rulers were sharing a bunch of tenets with each other instead of trying to convert people to full belief systems.
>>2505507>Paradox thinks medieval bishops and rulers were sharing a bunch of tenets with each other instead of trying to convert people to full belief systems.honestly if they read any of these threads they'd be able to fix their game in like 2 weeks This in itself is such a banger line lmaoNobody in PDX has been in a church in 30 years
>>2505507personal tenets are not bad, but they do feel redundant with lifestyles and they are too sandboxy
>>2505490Admin being crap comes to mind.
I didn't proofread initially and bungled question oopshow likely is it for the Nestorian Patriarch to toss out Dharmic Syncretism if I start carving out land in the east?*
>>2505490>>2505507>>2505545I miss ckii venice so much bros with an AI decomp of CKII and III we could implement so many automation tools so playing the hundreds of Dynasty members playstyle becomes viable rather than arthritis speed 1 torture marrying them all off every 4 in game days
>>2505468I think you're confused, nobody plays ck2 not ck3
>>2504625Same thing happened to me except I had two dozen crossbows and then suddenly the entirety of HRE+ as well.Absolutely retarded mechanic.
>>2505517>Nobody in PDX has been in a church in 30 yearslmao and here it's revealed you're a seething eastern european/south american who's mad his decade old craptop can't run the game
Idgi, it's already october, are they really releasing the republics and economy dlc this year? It still says Q4 2026
>hold court>summon courtier out of thin air to do some task for 200+ gold, gets good effect for 5 years>a month (or less) later they bugger off, effect gone>don't get refundRealistic berber experience I guess.
Is the new DLC/update broken? I was trying to do a Normandy run of CK3 with the new update and everything seems busted. Like the Roman rite is a tiny minority of Christianity, and more and more rites keep breaking off with no signs of stopping. Also one of Ivar the Boneless's children got the conqueror trait and took over all of Britannia, and even after taking Kent Christians don't have access to crusades, did they change how that works? The final straw was when a adherent of the Greek rite took over the Papacy, is that even supposed to happen? How are crusades ever supposed to happen now?Is this just due to bugs and poor balance because the DLC and update just came out, or is it because I don't actually have the DLC? I swear the one time I actually want to play as a crusader king this shit happens.
>>2505983yeah in november, Q4 is october, november, december
set up shop in Isawa up in northern Japan, got a Cathedral fully constructed, time to slap a nestorian holy site down>nuh uh can't do that, Kamuyist pagans called the Hitakami River, it's off-limits
Does anyone else sometimes say their posts out loud before typing them out or posting them, or am I just autistic?
>>2506161You're on 4chan for a paradox game.
>>2506096A bunch of those rites get absorbed into Catholicism after the Schism.Crusades don't happen until later, even before the update. Now, they need both that papal decision to be made AND for the situation that allows crusades. Can still have holy wars, though.
>>2506096>more and more rites keep breaking off with no signs of stopping.This is actually a known issue that needs to be rebalanced, i think it has something to do with how fervor works and what the AI does with it.
>>2506194Sorry, I meant to post that elsewhere.>>2506255Well there should have been an event stating that the Christians now have access to crusades after the pagans took Kent. That's how it always used to work. Also when does the Schism happen? And how did the pope end up as a member of the Greek rite? Was that a bug? Do I need to start a new run?
>>2506255>>2506294You can't launch crusades until the schism happens and the pope issues a papal bull for it.
>le malware mod releasedWhat do you guy think?https://www.reddit.com/r/CrusaderKings/comments/1x8ov2u/first_beta_of_terra_obscura_released/https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3821872422
>>2506436>hey that's neat- oh you need to run an executableyeah we're never getting it unless it's official
>>2498751Is the new update supposed to be crashy?I can't get past one year, albeit I'm running some mods, but I wanted to know others are having an issue without them.
>>2506457>I can't get past one year, albeit I'm running some mods
>>2506464I mean it's really just the essential stuff, mainly cosmetics, and of course interracial takeover.
>>2506453lol he disabled comments on a mod with 40 subs.
Has anyone dabbled on making a city-level total conversion mod?Every building would be a barony, owned by the mafia/gangs or regular landlords, your courtiers would be your tenants/renters, nomadic homeless camps, being an adventurer would either mean you are homeless or a renter depending on where your camp is and maybe once Silk and Silver comes out one might be able to simulate setting up shop and buying/selling products like milk, drugs and guns.Not sure how religion would be like. It might be a representation of a character's lifestyle or occupation, but there are also people who are actually religious as well.Maybe being a mayor would be an entire situation in and of itself, with citizens being able to vote on various matters that could affect the entire map.One issue would be the setting. At first I was thinking of it being a real city but that might be too creatively restricting, then I thought about fictional cities. Which one would be diverse enough for a game? There are the more fantastical ones like Gotham or Astro City which have superheroes and magic roaming around, and then there are more grounded ones like GTA. Another idea that came to mind would be Springfield from the Simpsons or Quahog from Family Guy.Maybe making an original setting from scratch would be the way to go?
Sometimes its fun to just play the viking adventurer as generic as it sounds. That being said i wish they did another pass at them and added more DLC focused stuff for adventurers. Being an adventurer that becomes a knightly order, if you're a viking or from that area you can do some varangian guard. Stuff like that.Also, have they said anything about looking at the family renown trees? They keep adding new trees but as long as the bloodline stuff is there most of them will never match them outside of RP stuff.
>>2506616adventurers will be vanilla with the merchant dlc patch at least IIRC, so maybe there's some sliver of hope they'll throw a few more bones to them specific to DLCsin the very least modders won't have a dlc excuse to neglect them
>>2506616>That being said i wish they did another pass at them and added more DLC focused stuff for adventurers.They probably will since they'll make the feature part of vanilla.
>>2506616>only blood is worth takingYou're joking, surely.
So did the new update fix things? If I just want to play as a Christian duke and not have to deal with constant ahistorical crap is that reasonable?How does the update compare to the DLC? Do I need the DLC for things to work?
>>2506641I said bloodline stuff, not just the blood tree. I get there's some good things to take here and there, but you can never go wrong with the stuff that improves the ability to birth better kids. My main complaint is why you would ever take something from activities or law outside of larping a specific thing. Id just like a rebalancing or maybe a different way you earn some of these traits.
apparently creating a branched rite will still check for vassals converting to the new faithshiieeeeeet I don't wanna convert all of Japan to Nestorianism
>>2506861PS Shinto/Shugendo are considered as Evil and consider Nestorianism as Hostilebit of a shame
>>2506436>Disabled comments on mod page and Steam profile>Have to join a Cuckcord to get mod helpYou have 69 subscribers lilbro you're not some 200k subscribers overhaul mod
Are there any skirmisher maa worth hunting for. Playing a merc adventurer and was looking for units to grab thats different then just super charging heavy cav or archers and such.
>>2506903I think the Jewish skirmishers are considered good by some people, but that may have just been because of how cheap they are. If you're playing the 867 start then there should be that one county of Jewish culture over in Azov, but the ruler of the land might need to be Jewish too, and that guy tends to lose his land.Also I'm not familiar with any of the units added in all under heaven or khans of the steppe, so some of them may be good.
>>2506464I cleared all saves, removed all mods, and disabled autosave and I was still crashing.I don't know what else to do from here, this issue hasn't happened before the new update.
>>2507059post the error log
>>2506903Abudrar I guess
>>2506530A post apocalyptic setting like the Mojave region from New Vegas o algo could work for something like this.
>>2507059Did you Verify Integrity of Game Files? https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/0C48-FCBD-DA71-93EB
>>2505706i'm a rich american with a brand new pc i just don't think the game is fun enough to warrant my timei just started expedition 33 and am enjoying it
>>2506830>My main complaint is why you would ever take something from activities or law outside of larping a specific thingthe education reknown tree is one of the best along with bloodDiplomat(1opinion,2alliances,8artifactclaims,)/Scholar(123/7)/Strategist(3WinAllWars/8siege) August(3-4prestige) Theologian Avaracious(1,DemandGoldforHook) Gallant?Garden Architects Ancient MinersCastle Keepers/Eastern Roman Legacy/Culture Blending/Legalistic/Republican Legacy Longbow Competitions/Malleable Invaders/Only the Strong/Recognition of TalentChanson de Geste OR Chivalry/Loyal Subjects/Polygamous/Sorcerous Metallurgythere's a lot of good stuff in here in the other systems toomore than one way to play
Band or no band?
Or a bit more conventional?
>>2507232>>2507238depends if you're playing conventional or modded or larping as somethingyou know bestboth look good sir W
>>2507246I figure related but with happy ending into inevitable blob. Both grudgebringers and fedrats lean into that particular larp. how's the religion dlc? seems kinda nice so far
Silk and Silver coming November 17th + Dev diary tomorrowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsIjU7vnIxg
>>2506530i had thought about it before RtP (in the 2 years of content drought) but it ultimately scaled into something that would be better spent in making my own game/playing The Guild instead of how braindead the AI would beThe main bit was getting criminal tributaries desu but now I can't care enough with all of these overhauls
>>2507114Post-apoc might be too far for the setting.Maybe just have it be in a very poverty striken, corrupt and crime-ridden city.>>2507292k
>>2506530When all you have is a hammer….CK3 isn't suited towards these things. The Naruto mod attempts to implement this, and it plays as well as you might expect.
>>2507502I don't think that's fair, just good luck finding both a map maker and a modeler to cater to mr ideas guy above.
vassals of the holy roman emperor should be prohibited from creating kingdoms on their own
>>2507227You forgot Water Rituals, which is also stupidly good. It makes the AI will no longer stupidly travel into plagues, and gives a -20% chance to get infected. Which with plague resistance modifiers like Hopices or Waterworks, effectively making your culture immune to the plague. Which also makes the character purger freak out and spawn apocalyptic plagues every few years. Which don't effect you, but do very much effect your enemies.It also makes diligent more common which is one of the best personalities traits your vassals can have as it gives them the builder archetype. Which makes them construct buildings instead of hoarding gold.It's one of the best non-regional/heritage traditions.Cultivation is pretty good as well, -50% chance to gain every kind of elder trait, which also stacks with every other modifier. Like Mind Without Mind. The AI being able to become Taoist is annoying though.Only the Strong currently has a bug where it will decimate your Accolade Glory because it doesn't increase the prowess requirements for successors and will repeatedly appoint and fire someone who should be ineligible.Polygamous is redundant now that you can change any religion's doctrines.
>>2507511>map maker and a modelerClaude can do all this now, though
friend of mine is working on something for CK2
>this guy had 7 last rites and still refuses to dieSend help.
>>2507582How is that even possible? CK2 isn't as moddable as ck3.
>>2504945I don't know how people stand PO. The portraits are uncanny looking and I'd take vanilla over them. I personally prefer Tubbs Better Faces with Frankish Andals Faces Modification made Daenerys (and by proxy other female valyrians ugly). Better looking garbs isn't bad, but no reason to take it over Tubbs.
>>2507279>November 17thWay too soon, i was hoping it was a little more space between the DLC's. >Somewhat poorfag who has to budget video games
>>2507597
>>2507600Yeah i get it, im just really wary about anything pirated now cause of coin miners and stuff.
>>2507597The dlc isn't going anywhere. You can save up while the suckers pay to beta test the new dlc. You probably won't even want it after it comes out broken and unfinished.
>>2507593magic
>>2507597>>2507601>>Somewhat poorfag who has to budget video gamesWhy not just buy the subscription? 6 months of all DLC costs the same as a single DLC costs.>but then i don't own itYou don't own shit on steam either. They can randomly decided to ban you or lock your account for any reason at any time, or more likely your government could start forcing you to start scanning your balls every time you log in to use it.>but i already bought x dlcSunk cost fallacy.
>>2507601considering the wave of mr beast scam images I don't blame youjust save up change where you can bro, by the time you can play the worst of the bugs will (hopefully) be fixed and you'll have an overall enjoyable experience
>>2507155I did but it still crashed so I decided to uninstall the game and reinstall everything.I hope its fixed cause if it was caused by a mod, I have no idea which one did it.
>>2507635I'm stealing this.
>reinstall the game every so often>actually having fun>fun/content/things to do dry out by gen3How do you deal with it anon?
>>2507803Don't play as your heir.If you aren't retarded, you usually have a thriving and very stable realm late gen 2 or 3. At that point, you start preparing a secondary child and let him roam free as an adventurer or conquer a distant kingdom and put him in charge there.This is also one of the better ways to farm renown. Your dynasty isn't just the ruler of one great empire, but consists of several great rulers across the map if you do that.
>>2507805I mean doing like Culinary Artists + Frequent Festivities with say chivalry or straight up industrial farming it with Mystical Ancestors is plenty. I'm not struggling, just, past caring past a point, I guess.Here's an example. >>2507585 This guy was a favorite child legitimized bastard of the 1st gen guy that basically went from a county in styria to larping charlemagne. Our 2nd gen geezer there went genghis khan 2.0 and reclaimed his homeland. And them some. From random strangers since anyone I remotely remembered from 1st gen died out. Most memorable moments included being groomed by his daughter for 20yrs (the kid that's helping you dress and shit) and then being romanced by her. Not wiping out the old house. Not ethnically cleansing the entirety of capet/normandie house because one of them looked at me funny. OK, that was neat but what's next? One of his assorted grandgrand kids and repeat? Some complete random? I mean there's ~20 years of build-up and maybe two invasion, claim or like CBs and I'm back in control of my built out the ass counties. Worst case scenario I take, again, a complete random and I press for claim on one of his female dynasts I abducted, concubined and or married and am back where I started.
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/silk-silver-dev-diary-7-guelphs-ghibellines.1946447/page-2#post-31567548Dev Diary 210/S&S 7 - Guelphs & GhibellinesRelease Date: November 17th (the day before my birthday)https://youtu.be/HwnRA7d-aWgGuelph & Ghibelline situation for Italy/HRE, between Papal and Imperial factions, respectively>1066 Papal Resurgence phase leading to Dictatus Papae/Investiture Controversy>1178 has Repose (peace), Agitation (warring), and advantage phases that lead to conclusion (G or G or compromise)>advantages now have a UI power display>performing actions as a part of the situation increases Involvement, which increases modifiers and is necessary for leadership actions>can scheme or warfare to increase your side (like Intermezzo) during Repose, Agitation, or advantage phases>1066 situation "prelude" is fairly low-scale, Kaiser-Pope conflict, until 1167 creation of the Lombard LeagueNew Traditions for Italians (Villages, Walls, Guilds, Great Plaza districts referenced)Trade Leagues>republic confederation with bonuses to cohesion>trade war, proclaim commune, and enforce monopoly casus belli to bully kingdomsHanseatic League>modifiers and unique trade Kontor building lineRevamp of German and Italian baroniesHurr durr Roman republic
>>2507864>Release Date: November 17th (the day before my birthday)parents fucked on valentines day award
>tourists still playing CK3 in 2026>>2507582Holy shit man-- I need this shit to build it into my mods. Tell him to publish his files. >>2505552Yeah, there's so much shit I'd do if I could get a proper decomp of CK2. >>2504945My go to playset is:-A G. o. T.-AGOT MB (a very specific patch, the "mostly fixed" version I think-- on AGOT forums)-AGOT PO+MB Compatch-AGOT PO - Base-AGOT The Dragon's Peace (version for MB)-TDP+PO+MB Compatch-TDP + PO Compatch-AGOT PO - BaseHaven't checked out PO - Characters and Enhanced Child GFX, but that should only break GFX, not anything serious. I checked out CO but don't run it, so no clue-- it could be causing issues. This load up still has a couple glitches, though. I recommend having Claude Code fix things for you if you're having persistent issues.
i'm gonna play by god alone for the first time i wanna do a few play throughs making extremely schizophrenic splinter sectsmaybe i can be the theocratic theocrat-king of a monotheistic fundamentalist reformation of some pagan faith? or create a splinter from christianity as wacky as mormonism?maybe i can make lots of nuns and sex them?who knows!!!!
>>2508125Have you never played this game before? You could already do this meme shit with the original system.
>>2507582Does it wipe out the enemy stack? Seems a bit unbalanced since the Iron Fleet, Redwyne fleet and Free Cites will just delete any enemy in their path as they try to land their men piecemeal in the beginning.
I really wish there was a way to tie a head of faith title to a temporal title, like how Anglicanism works or the Roman religion worked (at least in the Imperial era), like whoever rules X kingdom is also the head of faith of this religion, regardless of their faith or dynasty.I also wish I could have a temporal head of faith and theocratic clergy, I don't want to micro manage temples and have them take away from my domain limit. I know I can just make barons, but that feels wrong.
something very funny about playing mandala with christian subjects
how did they manage to release the dlc when the main mechanic is broken, do they even playtest
>>2508286It's clear they didn't. They're loving the meme videos from their paid youtubers and the posts on reddit.Surprisingly there were a few popular posts that criticized the update for destroying religious immersion with how often (and easily) heretical doctrines and tenants got passed without any push back.
>>2508231You can already do that, it's easy to mod. Even back in CK2 the devs of ATLA made Fire Imperialism work like that with the Fire Nation title.
>>2508231>1 ...you could do that since launch. >2 ie i want my cake and to eat it tooOK.
>>2508313>>2508344Wait, how do you do that? Do you mean it's just easy to mod in? And yes I want my cake and to eat it too. I don't want to micro manage shit.
>>2508435legitimately you can just ask claude at this point and it can spit it out for you
>>2508435>>2508456Sodomites and niggards, the both of you.
>>2508435>regardless of their faithReligious titles can't be inherited by infidels. Just look in the files for the Papacy (or the Fire Nation in ATLA mod) and copy that for your religion.
we will soon see how good the oikoumene mod is, apparently it does roman names all the way into japan.
>>2508489Do anons here actually do hundred stat man playthroughs?
>>2508489>roman names in japanlmao, such as?Also, which female beautification mod is that?
>started playing ck3 last week>i never have enough council members>barely any courtiershow do i get more?
In admin gov, is it better for the treasury to have a lot of small direct vassals, or a few powerful vassals? I can make a bunch of duchies and kingdoms, but haven't yet because I'm a greedy lazy bastard and don't want to deal with succession of all those titles.Also, is there a (non-mod) way to stop the game from forcing me to reform the budget every time I get enough to do anything fun?>treasury in decent place (50+)>time to reform budget popup>back down to <20+>repeat foreverI don't see youtubers have this problem (might just be editing tho). Two questions might be related idk that's why I'm asking, this is my first admin run.
I think that occupying Italy should be a requirement to form the HRE. I'm tired of forming the Empire of Italia with the full backing of the Pope, only for some random warlord in the north to claim my title.
>>2508502You should ask claude
I'm shocked EK2 has an update out already
>>2508502>his hand slipping into the hand of a female servant!>Consorting with another man?!
>>2508472Yeah but historically they have. Look at the Anglican Church, the head is the king of England, but not all the kings have been Anglican. Same with the Roman religion, the title of the Pontifex Maximus ended up in Christian hands. I think having that system would be really cool.
>>2508520Anon... you might be legitimately retarded.
What's the best warfare tradition? Is only the strong still good? I kinda like the look of stalwart defenders.
>>2508515Erroneous localization result. The option is using the homosexual's gender (man) while the description uses a generated romance_target which has a 50/50 on being male or female. Really the description should just use the homosexual's gender.>feast_default.2008.desc:1 "As [homosexual_character.Custom2('MyCharacterIntroduction', ROOT.Char )] tried sneaking unnoticed away from the feast, I thought I caught a glimpse of [homosexual_character.GetHerHis] hand slipping into the hand of a [romance_target.Custom('FemaleMale')] servant!\n\nMy suspicions were confirmed when I caught them in a secluded room, half undressed!">feast_default.2008.a:0 "Consorting with another [homosexual_character.GetWomanMan]?! The realm must know!"
>>2508537What?
hopes for S&XS?BGA is the worst piece of DLC paradox shat out in a long time
heads up to anyone else:don't built grand cathedral in your capital unless you're already an ecclesiasticthe building will be marked as disabled for not being held by an ecclesiastic. looking at the wiki I don't think it's intended for feudals and such to be able to do it but they can, for whatever oversight reason, and I'm under the impression the regional cleric fella can't benefit from it either.Overpriced minor pilgrimage buff, assuming that isn't disabled too.
>>2508620It's not oversight just very silly design with not too obvious use. You can build the everloving shit out of a random cathedral so when you put your pocket antipope or your next character there they have a massive head start since it's essentially a high tier estate building.
>>2508629aren't I kinda fucked out of it if I don't want to give the county away though?
>>2508620Yeah I did that too. Good thing I don't plan on keeping that land as my permanent capital. But I do seem to be getting the development bonuses from it, despite it saying that it's disabled.
>>2508638Dunno. Turn it into a holy site if you're so attached to it?
The AI has straight up down syndrome when it comes to crusades in this game. just walking across enemy territory taking landmine attraction damage. You need to outnumber your target by 10 to 1 to win. Any tips on taking an Outrmer empire run into your own hands?
>>2508510>https://docs.google.com/document/d/16DcJTMzAiwVrRH34EPaex7uWZ1C3Skyzg8k4gL4N9QQ/edit?tab=t.v86remwks25c>those patch notesDid their axe wound burst or something?
>>2508502It’s better to have a bunch of dukes.You pay less back in vassal development (dukes get 55%, kings get 70%, emperors get 85%). You get only 2/3rds the treasury income of dukes if you for kings, which then goes further down to 1/3rd if you get emperors.Technically your gold revenue is untouched as that’s taken out before vassal development. So if you’re supplementing your treasury with gold, you only lose 1/4 of your revenue per tier instead of 1/3rd.It’s better to have direct duke vassals anyways because civilian themes are really good. And if you have king tier or higher, they’ll also nuke your military budget by making a bunch of useless military themes nowhere near the border. And will not make civilian themes beneath them.You print more money the more civilian themes you get. If a theme isn’t on the border, make the a civilian. They’ll be able to afford more MAAs from the extra treasury anyways, so it’s not like you’re even losing armies.
>>2508711>devs care more about owning da chuds than making a playable modSomeone fork it already.
>>2508497the mod author isn't very clear about it but it appears to go all the way to china (and for multiple cultures as well). i'm not running any female beautification mods, i think i have some improvements on the CC system but it's mostly the beauty trait carrying me.>>2508493i just suck at this game okay?
>>2508711>>2508790If anyone was curious what these two were sperging about, it was this offhanded joke in the patch notes
>>2508816It's also worth mentioning, "adding work" and "removing woke" has been a running joke in the patch notes for years
>>2508795It's not okay, do better you absolute shitter.
that's strange, i'm pretty sure i set byzantium's name to default in game rules but it still has the meme name.
>>2508828
>>2508828mods duh
>>2508828That mod referenced in >>2508489 hasn't been updated for BGA and is currently game breaking.Some updated alternatives:https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2901057259 For vanilla.https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3667059600 For RICE and CE.https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3793989217 For MPE.
>>2508863>hasn't been updated for BGAIt is on gith.
>>2508549It doesn't matter. The AI can't compete with you. Just run HI (majority) and HC, and you'll steamroll the AI levies. Use only MAA.
>>2508676Don't Crusade, just do regular wars and steal all the land.
>>2508828The default name is a meme name, and since you're playing as a woman you really shouldn't care historical accuracy or immersion.
Anyone has a good AGOT modlist? I wanna modmaxx it.
>>2508881Try claude
>>2500160this is a bad mod. you're essentially immortal and can easily get sky high stats. and it doesnt have larp or restrictions the lotr mod places on elves. just power fantasy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0bdh8HaqK8
>>2509039Always love when they get actual historians to do these videos.Imagine the conversation going something like this.>Thanks again, Mr. PHD, you've really helped us.>Not at all, always glad to educate and inform. What did you say this was for again?>Oh it's for our incest cuck cannibal game. We need you to pretend it has some vague semblance of historicity so steam won't put it in the hentai game catagory.
in case anyone else had trouble adopting more than one holy site w/ Adaptive, try clicking the holy site icon on map itself in religion view. should bring it upI thought holding interface was way to go but apparently not
>>2509095Ask me how I know you payed to skip the captcha
>>2509102https://youtu.be/EId8j5aDIHw
Alright, I'm giving up on my Normandy to Jerusalem to Outremer run, it's just cooked. I'm crazy strong, but transitioning from King of France to playing as one of my secondary heirs is just not working out. I mean, I could just make Jerusalem my primary title and give away all my other stuff, but that feels lame. Anyway, I haven't played CK3 in forever so it made for a good warm up run (I really like the changes to Accolades), and I want to do another run. Should I do another Siberia run, another Russia run, or a Wallachia run? I'm leaning towards Wallachia, probably with a 1066 start date, I've never played that start date and I've never played Wallachia. But maybe there's something else cool you guys think I should do? Siberia is also tempting.
>>2509197You can designate your non-primary heir as your favorite child and hand him the kingdom of Jerusalem beforehand. He should then show up in choose your destiny.Siberia is now arguably the hardest region in the game. Assuming you're going for one of the tribal permafrost regions. Nomads are very strong and actually have decent army compositions that require good MAAs to beat.The game routinely spawns new 40k herd nomads every 10 years when there aren't any on the steppe so beating them up is pointless.So you're kind of stuck being a tributary to largest nearby nomad until you can feudalize and beat endless horse archers. And then you have to accept being a tributary to Gengis Khan or die, followed by black death, and then the game ends.Russia is in a much better position to consolidate, feudalize, and then beat back the steppe hordes. Plus you'll get to interact with the new Christianity rework. It's currently broken without mods though. I recommend >>2500594 but anon's >>2500703 seems to be pretty good as well.
>>2509207>You can designate your non-primary heir as your favorite child and hand him the kingdom of Jerusalem beforehand. He should then show up in choose your destiny.Yeah that's what I did, but without my massive fuck off army I can't stand up to the Abbasids, also his older brother got the conqueror trait and said fuck off army so I have to deal with him too (I can't) and I'm like 10 to top it all off. I came up with this plan too late, maybe if I had done it earlier it would have worked out.And on the Siberia thing. Is Genghis Khan really that strong now? Last time I did this was before the Nomadic government was introduced, but I still beat him as a small kingdom.
>>2509212He's alot stronger than he used to be, he automatically becomes a conqueror, is a good a general, and will have 100k+ troops 10-15k MAAs after conquering China. You have to stackwipe him or his armies take no casulties from retreating due to insane amounts of screens from horde riders. The one thing he lacks is a good Nomadic capital, conqueror AI is barred from upgrading domiciles and buildings so he never gets the bonuses from that.You can wait him out to attrition him to death like any doomstacked AI army, but nomads get loads of torchbearers that blow through low fortification level baronies. The Greatest of Khans trait in particular makes fortifications useless against him, so it's best to have Gengis dead ASAP.You beat him with maxed out heavy cavalry MAAs, good generals, maxed out accolades, and an emphasis on attritioning him to death, but it's less trivial now.
>>2509225So do you think Wallachia in 1066 or Russia in 867 would be a better way to learn about how to deal with nomads?
>>2509231Wallachia is a bit far from the steppe. If you go Wallachia in 867, you'll get to deal with the nomadic Magyars. Past that and you'll have to wait for Gengis, unless a conqueror super Khazaria happens.Russia is constantly raided by vikings and nomads, so best to go Russia if you want to deal with nomads.
ain't she just a thing of beauty?
>black hairnot aryan, sorry
>>2509264The most inaccurate part of this game is that it makes Greek women look attractive.
>foidAhistorical, fuck off.>>2509268
take a look at these latin names!
>>2509268I legitimately feel sorry for homosexuals. God has played a cruel trick on you.
she's italian though, i just like to use the roads to power aesthetics for her since they appear more roman than the others.
>>2509491That's a 10/10 in Greece, and mid everywhere else. Seriously I just have to walk outside to see women more attractive than this.
>>2509504>she's midHave you tried conversion therapy? Honestly what have you got to lose? Not like it can make you more gay.
>>2509492Is that dress a mod? I dont remember seeing it.
>something about a convention, can't spot it on map, kind of just ignore it and continue squaring off southern china>they swapped out esotericism as a main tenet for fervent proselytismfuckersif that wasn't bad enough religion tab was stuck lagging like a motherfucker for ??? reason, too
Can you only make new holy sites if your religion has a head of faith?
I wish Uyghurs had more flavor I love qocho kingdom
>>2509516https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3798537678
why is there a random viking in northern africa?
>>2509704Either he adventured down there, or maybe he was a courtier that got landed. Vikings get around, I see them in the steppe a lot.
Have you guys ever made a Russian Norse hybrid culture? What do you name it? Russo-Norse feels lame to me, I usually do "Varangian" but that feels too Greek and too "specialized" if that makes sense.
>>2509707Actual Russian culture is already a hybrid between Norse and Slavic, it was formed by Rurik with the Kievan Rus'.
>>2509707Roden.
Alfred needs to get the conqueror trait more often. Makes fun things happen.
>>2509734War leader captured is only worth 1%?
>>2509744Its either a UI error or something with a UI mod makes it pop up oddly. I just did a quick test and captured the Seljuk leader with the console and its showing the same thing.
>>2509755>actual ws is 100%Guess it's reading a 1.0 modifier as 1% instead of 100% lol
>>2509758The usual paracuck quality.
>interact with head of faith puppet>lag while focused on own faith tab disappears instantlythe fuck is that funny hat cunt doing
>>2509769Unless I'm running the same mod like the guy above, and it doesn't sound like it - apparently so. Oh well, small indie studio, please understand their on brand incompetence. lol.
>>2509770forgot to add, it came back after he responded to requestI revoked his land in my empire and it COMPLETELY went awayfucking ass can't have shit
don't you just hate it when you get scammed by your adventurer's like this? i told her to find something truly unique.
>>2509778There are literally no in-game historic artifacts in that region. Did you espect her to find the Ark of the Covenant next to the polar bears? You get told what region they're adventuring in before you pay, this one's on you.
Proof of concept for setting up the Levantine crusader states. I currently just have it be so that an event is fired when you siege Antioch, Tripoli, or Edessa with an option to establish an independent principality. The coastal states simply immediately annex the entire duchy and join the crusade; Edessa is a little more complex.There's also an option to grant it to the Byzantines; I might also add an event to allow the principalities to join either them or Jerusalem once the crusade is won; though I suppose that could also be left up to the mechanics
>>2509837yea well, there should be. also the adventurer never left rome.
>>25094914/10.
>>2509709I know, I think there's a mod for it. Eastern Europe is in need of an update. But in the mean time Russians don't even get longships, (while the Normans and English do), and the Russia area is the one area that benefits the most from having them IMHO. Maybe Ruslander? Does that make sense?
I really hate that they swapped vengeful for sadistic in the Norse religion. I never get the feeling from the sagas that being sadistic was a moral obligation in the same way that taking vengeance was. I mean sure tearing someone's ribs into blood wings is a sadistic act, but the point seemed to be the vengeance, not the sadism. I really hope they fix that.
>>2509999>russia DLC>current yearit would be the most revisionist bullshit ever released by Paradox. Kyiv would be the center of the universe, Muscovy would be a backwards swamp full of aggressive mutants who exist solely to be killed by the heckin wholesome Ukraine player.
>>2510026I mean was Moscow even that important in the Medieval time? And wasn't Novgorod not even that important until post Mongol invasion?Look my point is that Russian culture (in game, I don't know enough about them to make that call irl) sucks and needs a buff.
Can you chose what baronies legendary buildings go in yet?
Still wondering if I should get this game, did they ever fix all of Catholicism becoming a feminist cannibal gay cult?
>>2510073For the most part yes. I never saw anything too heretical getting accepted by the Church.
Another Russia run, or a Czech run where I go get guns early and some other silk road innovations?
>>2510066You get to choose the county, it always goes in the county capital. Just reassign the county capital to the barony you wish to build it in. You do have to directly hold the county/barony still. The limit for raising them isn't per county, it's per barony, so theoretically, you can have a legendary building in every barony.
>>2510088Okay that's fine. I just hate the old system, because if my capital doesn't have a special building then I want to wait until I can get the legendary watchtower to put it there. I really like my capital to have a defensive special building, that's one of the reasons London is my favorite capital.
>>2509734>those nasty borders That's why Exclave independence stays on total and conqueror trait off.
>>2509999It's easy to just mod it in yourself, man. Just copy and paste the tradition.
>>2510025Then swap it back. It won't affect achievement if you care about that.
>>2510073Just pirate it, they don't deserve money after butchering religion like this.>>2510075Doctrines still get changed. Did a quick run and Female Adultery and Faggotry become legal.
>>2510081Vladimir's second choice (Islamic Russia)
>>2510081Silk Road innovations are tedious to get if you're not immediately next to one of the trade depots. Besides, guns are kind of bad. You get them very late, at which point you should have enough gold for heavy cavs or infantry. Both of which completely outclass all other MAAs, including guns.If you are going for Silk Road Innovations, Double-Entry Bookkeeping, Grenades, Compass, Pharmacopoeia, Waterworks, and Block Printing are the best innovations, in that order. The rest are situational. The only two worth having as a facination are Double-Entry Bookkeeping, an extra 5% tax is very nice. And Waterworks, whose building gives more gold than hospices when a barony's income exceeds 5, gives a bit of plague resistance, and alot of dev growth.
>>2510132>>2510075Are there any game rules you can change to make this less obnoxious? Rites form less frequently, divergence parameter is lowered?
>>2510133Was he actually going to convert to Islam?
>>2510138There's a story where he was deciding between Christianity, Judaism (the Khazars were right there) and Islam. He decided against Judaism, because he thought if their God was real then he wouldn't let them lose the temple, and he decided against Islam because it doesn't allow drinking. How accurate this all is is questionable though, The Byzantines were probably their best bet for an ally at the time.
>>2510139>he decided against Islam because it doesn't allow drinking.kek
>>2510136Even getting the early fire lancers isn't good? But I want to larp as Jan Zizka. I don't know, do the Czechs get a good cultural unit? I started the Russia run and then I remembered that I hate dealing with a big realm.>>2510140The Slavs love their drinks.
Is there a beginner's guide you guys recommend?
>>2510144Just watch some YouTube videos. In my experience Bjorn Ironside is the easiest start for a newbie. At least in my experience.
Wait a minute, since when does Bohemia start as feudal?
>>2510142Kind of, but they have to reform for it, Zbrojnosh has marginally different stats than regular heavy infantry and is more expensive. If you reform for Konni Raids, Konni is the best light cavalry. Light cavalry are in weird middle ground in terms of stats and cost, but they should be enough to beat the AI. They do get the mega duchy though. Makes succession and gold easy.Cultural units live and die by accessibility, Gendarmes and Palatini are the two best MAAs, bar none. You would never know that though because the game is over before you can get them.You're really reliant on RNG for getting Fire Lancers. They have 25% more attack and are 25% cheaper than heavy infantry, but are 72% less tough. Worse modifier stacking potential as well. By the time you unlock them, you can afford heavy infantry or cavalry, in which case you're giving up stats for them.
Holy shit Bohemia in 867 is a hard start. You're surrounded by people stronger than you and you have no money. Any tips?
>>2510182Asking East Francia to be your suzerain with low obligations will prevent you from being attacked by tribals or holy warred by Christians. Asking to be his vassal will result in getting your title revoked or a war you can't win.You start with 100 heavy infantry that you should keep to raid in the meantime, but you can't pay for MAAs with prestige like tribals so its usefulness is limited.Then you have to study rite with clerical assistance to get a chance of converting to Roman Rite. If you do, you won't get holy warred and can transition to being a regular member of the HRE with low or no obligations and pay less in liege taxes. Holy orders will solve being attacked by pagans.Beg your HoF for money, build up your economy and buy decent MAAs for the transition to independence.
>>2510208Good tip on the suzerain. I was gonna start as his son though. But when I take the throne we'll see how things are looking. I do hope they form the HRE, playing as a vassal can be fun.Alternatively I could just play as Haestien or some other viking, and just Varangian adventure for the land, but I really want to play as the Přemyslid dynasty.
New thread time?
New>>2510290>>2510290>>2510290I've never made a thread before so if this one sux please feel free to make a different one and I'll see if I can't delete mine.
