>News, Dev Blogposts & Podcasthttps://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/>Patch Noteshttps://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-forever-beta-development-notes-%E2%80%93-updated-october-26/2360696/8>Talent Calculatorhttps://wowforevertalents.com/>DatesName Reservations open now for skyborne pack purchasers.The journey begins on November 4>Upcoming /wowfg/ NA Guilds<Clover Club> RP-PvP Alliance | https://discord.gg/Zb2uWkkpbc<FUN HAVERS> PvE Alliance | https://discord.gg/TNT2QTpdVD<Remigration> PvP Horde | https://discord.gg/K9QEFvzxf>Upcoming /wowfg/ EU Guilds<Wrench> PvE Horde | https://discord.gg/mVPNnmXv5<Niflheim> RP-PvP Alliance | DiscordlessPrevious >>586205448
2500 player cap realms are better than megaservers
Satyr!https://files.catbox.moe/oa0jqf.png
>wanted to go mining/bs while leveling for gear>friend, who is leather, wants to to mining/engi while levelingHow do I convince him to piss off?
did anyone here actually play classic for years, like do classic heroic lich king 25man before the 5-30% buffs for example or did everyone quit after vanilla or when they got filtered in tbc tier 5 in 2021/2
>>586226398give her a knot
>nerfing resto druid>nerfing druid tanking>nerfing Shadowpriest (?????)>full rework of the paladin class invalidating everything tested during the beta with them Claude patch
>Vibecoded Wow census website says 1 million characters were created>Official figures say 8 million characters were madeBwos? Don't tell me Alliance being the most popular faction was a lie too
>>586226435you are both dumbjust share nodes like a couple of silly little fags, how about that?
>restedxp>buying gold>starting political arguments in general chat>being racist in guild chat and accusing people of being brown>being toxic to random group members and kicking them from the group at the slightest mistake >manipulating the AH like a kike and screwing over my own community >spending my dkp on pvp gear and contributing very little to raids>if I meet a verifiable foid tell her I can get her raid gear for nudesYep it's time to game
Who is the new best PvP healer now that Resto Druid has been kill?
>>586226571Priest
>>586226440I did up to AQ in vanilla and once tbc rolled around I was more focused on arena than raiding
tell me what I should think about World of Warcraft: Forever
>>586226527Engi needs like 8000 copper though man
>>586226571priest and paladin, same as always
>Shadow Word death makes you take 30% max HP backlash damage on a 18 second cdGigabuff to Holy Priest. Unprecedented levels of healing meter padding.
Should I play rogue skyelf or warrior human?
Build holy paladin,31 points in holy (already too much but what else?)5 in prot for intellect8 in rec for benediction and conviction since it affects spell critical chanceWhat do i even use the remaining 7 points for?
we are concerned.
>>586226630you can spend 30 minutes when you're level 15 and do a lap of mulgore or something and get 5 stacks of copper
>redownloading Cyberpunk to play something while waiting on nov4>70gb downloadHow the fuck is wow forever the same size as cyberpunk? 99.9% of the game world for forever was made a quarter century ago Also it’s ridiculous to me that blizzards promoting a TOS breaking addon.
>>586226618It's just sod2 and will be completely dead within a year.
>>586226664I would play the warrior
https://files.catbox.moe/86bbgh.png
>>586226571Hpal ofc.>freedom the warrior>bop the clothie>holy shock judgment global someone>it crits so your next holy light is 1.5s cast>can block interrupts with your cd>hojgood times
>>586226440i did vanilla thru c'thun left before naxx opened, skipped tbc altogether, started playing after LK naxx was on farm, got my ulduar mount & left before icc raid opened
>>586226630copper is the easy partgoing engi while leveling is retardedblacksmithing is kinda retarded toopolicing your friend's professions is also retardedso idk good luck retards!
>all I wanted out of classic+ was Shaman to not be shit>it's even more shitAggrend pls
>Nelf Warrior>Neither class nor race touched in this meme last minute reworkComfy
>>586226823gross, more
>>586226440Did tier 5 really cockblock people? I thought they got buffed talents/classes and epics out the gate.
I gotta stop clicking on shit
>>586226679Sacred Duty, Guardian's Favor and Templar's Bulwark in Prot.
>>586226972I really like the only two classes I wanted to play somehow seem worse then actual classic.
>>586227043...you loved it...didn't you?
>>586227025t5 was first big cockblock, so much so they nerfed it like 2 months into the phase so yes. people couldnt handle it. was boring for my guild as we were doing it full clears prenerf then it just gets nerfs and it feels hollow and like you're cheating a cheat engine it was so stupid how fast things died and little damage they did + removed mechanicsthen when they released tbc again this year it came out nerfed t4 and t5hc ulduar was next great filter, as naxx wotlk was super easy and had so many people playing it
AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
You're here because retail is dead lol
what should I name my human hunter, senpaitachi
skyborne are retail trash lol
>>586227241SOON
>>586227335Lego Lass
>>586227335luigi mangione
>>586226980>last minuteHahaha, if you think there wont be at least 3 more in the coming days and possibly one a few hours before launch
>>586227241>will be busy on release dayit's so over, go on without me sisters
I still don't know if I go lock for easy leveling/groups or paladin to get actually fun gear.
Do you think I will keep my 3 name reservations?
>>586226980I feel like Nelf is great start but is going to fall off a cliff once we have a lot of crit. It might take a few years, but still sad to know Human and Skelf will be better in the end.
Going to feel so good when they buff Ele after I've put the time in to master it, and every other Shaman quit before 60 or fell for the Enh meme. Keep the faith Ele bros
>>586227761How do you request a refund?
>>586227761lol no
Why are people complaining about changes 5 days before launch - based on feedback there's quite a lot that can be changed/improved?Not read the others but paladin changes are quite cool - get lucky enough and you will literally get SoC windfury.
What server are we playing on until launch
>>586227761Yeah, if you try to load into the servers you can see you still have your 3 reserved characters.
WoW Forever is retail trash all three wow generals on this board are fucking dead as the soon to be trannies that post in them
>>586227839Unless a class change is just a direct numbers buff retards will screech that it is a nerf.
>>586227839Druid is murderedShadowpriest nerfed for no reason
shooting my cum onto the floor!
>Druid and Pally get ANOTHER rework>still nothing for Roguewhy does aggrend hate us
>>586227964Rogue is always and forever a forgotten class
>>586227839>based on feedback there's quite a lot that can be changed/improved?Just like they fixed Ele Shaman and didn't completely murder the class in general with raid wide totems so you only ever bring restos, right?
>>586227805>How do you request a refund?The WoW Forever pack is an instant refund, because it's a preorder. I can't explain the process, just use your battlenet launcher, click on account and go to your transactions in the browser.
>>586227871PVE Alliance NA
>>586227871classic harcore
>>586227964look at all the shit they are doing, being invisible to the devs is the most powerful ability in the gameadding the energy regen talents from later xpacs would solve a lot of issues
>>586227069>bulwarkIts something I guess.
>>586226541based anti-social anon
blizzard can't make a good video game to save it's life
>>586228148>it's
>didn't play beta>just bought the thirty dollar thing and a subscription>turns out I didn't have to, and the subscription doesn't start nov 4th, it started immediately, but now I get to play as some blue nigger
>>586227839mental retardation
>>586227946*shoots my cum on your cum*
>>586227335John Trueshot
>>586227812>lol noBut I already created them...>>586227905>Yeah, if you try to load into the servers you can see you still have your 3 reserved characters.Thanks, I just tried it. It showed up when I clicked on reconnect. Based, so the beta acces was free, name reservation was free and I still have 3 invite codes... I feel like a criminal.
>>586228040Cheers
>>586228148>>586228175Is it, though?
>>586228002They made GoA stackable with WF so 1/2 shamans in a 40man raid can go enhance if the pilot is an egirl sexting the RL or it's the RL!
Surely they are waiting for release to unveil all the cool and unique rogue changes
HNGGGGGGGGGGGGG-PPFFFFFSHHHTHTHHSHHHSHHHTHHHHHHH *shits on you* thats what i think of your class
trannies can't make good video games
Forever will bring hypgnomes back.
>>586228306>I feel like a criminal.I mean you kind of are. At the very least you're a gigantic faggot. You're demanding a refund over something you're going to use for seemingly no reason at all other than you want to be a faggot. That's poor person scammer mentality.
>>586227335Yujust Noh
>>586227945It didn't get nerfed, you just have to use the obvious finisher spell as a finisher rather than hamfisting it on CD.
>>586226257>not even a DFC lolidisgusting
>>586228453This game is made by a White Man, thoughbeit.
>>586228460Cope, blizzjeet.
>>586228460Please don't say that, I'm a christian. I thought about it yesterday and didn't plan to play WoW Forever, so I tried to cancel everything. And now I saw this.
>>586228541a white guy that left twitter to go to blusky but came back to twitter recently to promote wow forever
>>586228460Blizzard dick suckers are absolutely insane.
>>586227770Maybe, but then again yo have to play those races.If anything the more crit the better - imagine @ 60 running in with ~20% ish native crit.Pop racialPop DW
>>586228589He makes Esfand seethe so it's good enough for me.
>>586228589oof
>>586228589It's called X now, you fucking faggot libtard
>>586228589the raped male returns to be raped again
i really wish blizzard hadn't fucked me over in a 50 minute dc loop for no reason and i could've gotten my preferred name
>>586228541fat
>>586228548>>586228642Lmao upset because i call out your shitty poor person behavior for what it is? What are you going to do, go to mcdonalds and order a burger to eat half of it and then go to the counter and say you forgot you don't like pickles and want a new one or a refund? Trailer trash behavior.
>>586228676tell us your dumb name so we can laugh at you
>>586228676just use an accént
Feels good being a human hunter Chad.Bis for pvpBis for RP2nd BIS for pve (after nelf)Pic is me after needing the two handed sword drop from BFD's final boss even though the tank wanted it and I'm BM spec
I was going to play a Skelf Druid because I liked the travel form. Not anymore lol
>>586228676at some point you will have to accept that you lost and stop embarrassing yourself like this
>>586228541The latest podcast episode with Shobek and that girl was unwatchable because of him.>he mansplained everything>finished sentences for her>adopted her overuse of "like">always tried to have the last wordfucking hell..
I want to try playing na from Europe. What do I need to do? Are European payment methods accepted?
>>586228746uh no
>>586228737You are so mad right now. Do you lose izzat every time someone refunds?
no white man would agree to put skyborne into vanilla wow, that's a tranny in a skin suit a really fat one
holy fuck cant believe i managed to snipe these
>>586228801Fuck.off muhammad
>>586226728Who's gonna enforce it when it's their TOS?
>>586228776>Feels good being a human hunterI'll bet it does
>>586228893Yes I am running from Muhammads on eu servers.
>>586228801Muhammad you just have to go to the ingame settings and change your preferred lang / location in the social tab, iirc. it has a 24h cooldown tho.
>>586228801Why would you want to join the streamer server?
You can get a refund for wow forever because it's a bad game, but a tranny can never get a refund for their missing genitals lol
>>586228365And then Grace of Air and Windfury Totem get the Moonkin and Leader of the Pack aura treatment
>FoTM shitters thinking they won’t try and balance classes for the coming yearslol lmao
my main goal in forever is to obtain a harem of healsluts. unironically
>>586228782Omfg why do you do that? What is wrong with that general??
>>586228085But our dps sucks as is
>>586229065Enhance is homestly going to be top tier
>>586228859>jeet pretending i'm a jeetHello saar you're very maad saar do not redeem the refund saarSeriously just shut the fuck up you're an actual broke bitch who refunded just to shitpost about it even though you're still going to play anyway. Very brown behavior. I say jeet but probably actually a favela monkey.
>>586228993So don't I need na account and sub? I'm a returning player. Last time I played was BFA.>>586229007Eu servers are unplayable due to how fragmented the community is with 50 languages.
>>586228460But think of the Izzat he gained for doing it. He's king Poo
>>586228873those names would've been available for use even after a year from now
>>586229163Lmao, someone isn't getting his helping of rice and cow dung for dinner today because of a single refund. Your company doesn't deserve my money, Rupeesh.
>>586228676I logged in at 5am and managed to get Goth Chicks, so im happy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XOyMQoIp94
nigga it's OVER
>>586227761>>586228782That's poor person scammer mentality.
Thread quality will continue to deteriorate until the foreveranyl is released.
>>586229092I had one in TBC. I remember my brother told me he logged onto my account to transfer gold, only to be met with constant whispers from my healsluts begging for a tank. He said he didn’t think someone could be that popular on a MMO. This was before streamers became common. I exchanged grainy webcam pictures with most of them as well. Many were stay at home military wives. lol lmao
>>586229343
>>586229401>Many were stay at home military wives.MANY such cases
wow is finally dead and blizzard will be shut down, good riddance to bad rubbish
>>586229120giving us enough energy to press more than *insert combo point generator here* and SnD is a good start
>>586229202Most people in EU speak English though, and those that don't (French and slavs) will be on their language based containment shards.
>>586229163>t. blizzards strongest plebbit usertake my updoot
mining is going to be a nightmare on launch. may have to camp hyperspawns if that’s a thing if you want to get ahead.
>>586229401With how much rogues have been neglected, at this point I can say anyone that still wants to play the class isn't falling for the allure of the "best ST dps" bullshit and are actually in it for the long haul>inb4 but you guys aren't getting perfectWe dont have to be, we're already the worst dps right now
>>586229401Yeah, its MT+RL+GM time
>>586226386pservers that had like 20k concurrent were fine
>>586229579it will be a nightmare and supply will be huge
>>586229202>So don't I need na account and sub?No, we have mega realms now. Just create your character on PvE, PvP, RP-PvE/P and you will be able to play with everyone. If asmongold invites you, you will be transferred to his layer.
>>586229586Didn't mean to reply to anyone there.
>>586229476I was a fucktard with oneitis at the time. I was terrified to visit most of them. I was asked a few times to fly across the country to “visit” them. I remember one in Florida was trying to plot a 3 day “visit” when her husband went for training in Japan. She told me the neighbors on base were going to watch her kids while I stayed the night. What the flying fuck lmao
wow forever is doo doo butter
>>586229525>Most people in EU speak English thoughIs this how Americans imagine Europe?We do know English, but we won't speak it. And to elaborate: as soon as there are 2 people speaking the same language, they stop using English.
>>586229640doubt it. most miners will have seen a guide that says to hold for making bronze.
>>586228873You cant believe no one took a bunch of incoherent zoomer babble?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWTSK5waNs8post some of your comfy tracks
>>586229632>pservers>were fineThe fuck they were. I played on LH, I remember how fucking bad my ms was, especially during busy hours, and it was the same for you unless you're a filthy Europoor
i just want to build and spend, but hunter doesn't build anything except brown bricks
ALEX GAVE US FORLO
Will blizzard punish people for using their legal right to refund?
>>586229796you build up distance from your target and spend it by casting sniper shot
>>586229353Blame your rugpull balance team
>>586229789if only a pserver could somehow be hosted in the land of the free
>>586229762https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gYVSepDQBg
>>586229732Why are you larping as an European?I've been in many international guilds and people always spoke English.
>>586229752>doubt it. most minerssee, I think you're right but wrong. The real miners would know this, but the flood of normies and retards are going to throw them up on the AH to make a quick buck
>>586229843No, why would they?
What cute thing did you do today?Answer me this time, or else.
>>586229895maybe if the prices are good for copper bars but bronze always sells well
>>586226984took me a bit to get some quality, hopefully you're still herehttps://files.catbox.moe/rt3kp7.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/jl6lvn.png
>>586229927I waxed my Jim Greens
>>586229843John Blizzard would personally come to your house and murder you just for the sake of it if they could.
If you're going pvp you're retardedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTZzXdWXsLk
>>586229927i avatrooned in the wow general and everyone called me a retard uwuuuuuu :333333
>>586229732>AmericansI'm English. Guilds (that aren't recruiting just one language), parties, raids, /say, trade, general are in English 99.9% of the time.
>>586229927>What cute thing did you do today?I had a coffee, read /wowfg/ and refunded my $60 preorder. And I will do my skincare soon.
>>586229603That was pretty much me. I was the OT but geared just as much as the MT. So when he wasn’t there I took over. I’m going to stay I was a chad GM or RL but I was able to hold down the guild until the real GM came back. Unironically, being MT+RL+GM is the main character of WoW. People will bow to you just to stay in good favor. Making loot decisions in officer chat was also stressful because you are trying to reason with a few officers on why someone needs loot over another. I felt bad everytime I handed the loot out no matter the reason. It was definitely a good time to play WoW for me.
As a druid player I'm glad they gutted druids in the latest patch because I was seeing way too many wanting to roll druid.
>>586230050this nigga is bald lmao
>>586229882?!
>>586230087>do my skincare soon.You should stop drinking coffee first.
>>586230050@grok can i get a quick qrd
>>586227761>Navigate to Battle net on your web browser.>Click on the account avatar icon on the top right of the page and log in.>Click on the same icon in the top right, then on Support in the pop-out menu.>Click Payments.>Click Refunds.>Click Continue.>Select your WoW Forever order# and continue.>Choose a reason from the drop-down menu (Regret might be most appropriate).>Click request refundand probably won't be able to keep it unless you at least buy the $30 pack
>>586230050>I'm a homosexuallmfao, fine I'll watch it to the end just because of that line
>>586230140same except it's not even that bad, huge overreaction as usual5% more periodic dmg and 5% more flat dmg means leveling hybrid resto-balance will be kino
>>586229843They want your $15 over nothing at all, they won't do shit
N I G G A I T ' S O V E RIGGAIT'SOVER E V O S ' T I A G G I N
>>586230140Druids will still be the most picked because its the jack-of-all trades class for the indecisive.
wow is dead
>>586229927Did a Halloween themed workshop with my wife.
>>586230237Thank you, anon. OP should pin this.
>>586230031why is this so hot...
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/as-a-casual-player-with-a-job-and-family-how-can-i-get-into-raiding/2397118
>>586230184>You should stop drinking coffee first.Why? My sisters and cousins have perfect skin and they are coffee junkies
>>586230479how big is her dih
>>586229843Of course not. Just like mcdonalds won't punish you for asking for a free new burger. They will do it for you no questions asked.You're just weird retard for refunding something that isn't broken.
>>586230472The official forums are even more retarded than 4chen or leddit. I'm a slopaholic but I can't handle that shit.
>>586230050>PvP sucks>Guilds can't control farm spots>There is no devilsaur mafia>because of layeringhuh
>>586226257https://files.catbox.moe/2kz5yy.png
>>586230472>No time to play>Wife aggro>Awkward sperg>Still wants to raid tankLol
>>586227078>>586226972The closer you get to release the more you realize this shit is just Classic-.The class/role combos that were amazing in Classic are even better.The class/role combos that were shit/brandead in Classic are even worse.
>>586230606they're both married to trans women btw
hunter's auto shot damage is fuckin nuts, they do way more damage just standing there auto-attacking than rogue does while maintaining slice and dice
>>586230431people like what they like anon, no shame. enjoy!
>>586227964>ReworkEvery datamined change so far has been huge nerfs and dumbing down the class. You let these retards pull the same shit with rogue and the class will go from a 2 button playstyle to 1 somehow.
>>586230679>DUDE LOOK WHAT'S HAPPENING AT LEVEL 30
>>586230806retard
>>586230807vgh..*unzips benis*
>>586230807gross
>>586230050>literally wife aggro'd. good points for a 40 year old dad. irrelevant for a 19 year old zoomer.
>enter thread>ctrl+f rogue>leave
>>586230151And no, I don't plan to play with vg. I had good experience on twow in a na guild.
>Devs have explicitly said they're making Rogue THE single target king>Rogues are still doomposting despite raids being a month outIt fits because they play a Rogue but fucking hell.
>>586230626Damn I'm kinda starting to like layers.
>>586230671Doing better than Anita Sarkeesian, grim
>>586230981I'm so glad I don't have to do anything like that ever.
Ok I decided to roll druid after they buffed them with the last update.Is this a good off-tank build?
>>586230548>comparing digital (nonexistent) goods to real shit like foodThanks for your reply, the mcdonalds part was unnecessary tho.
>>586230050the only real fun i ever had in WoW was camping BRMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYowm3U_N48pvp or nothing at all
>>586230560They simultaneously hate WoW more than the biggest haters here but also can't stop playing
>>586230629atleast it's not fetish shit
>lost 8 pounds in a week sitting on my ass waiting for forlowhy haven't you taken the semaglutide pill anon? there's no excuse to be fat in current year
>>586231084Stop your fucking fotm bullshit, just play what you want. Retards, give me your worst fucking class + race combo and I will play it, just to prove you wrong.
>>586230945what would be the point of playing rogue if theyre not the top dps spot? theyre the only class in the game that provides zero (0) party buffs and the only class in the game that's stuck being limited only to being melee dps
>>586230541y w n b a w
>>586231091>I can't hold something in my hands therefore thousands of manhours were totally not put into thatRetarded commie
>>586230945WE RAN THE SIMS, THEIR STATEMENT IS A LIE
>>586230898It's our time next week.
I wonder if these e-whores still play?
>>586231204Sim doesn't have the endgame gear, retardGOD.
>>586231239pizzacat...
>>586231084
>>586230981How the fuck can anyone do this with a straight face? Have some fucking shame for god's sake.
>>586230945Rogue is currently simming as the lowest DPS class in the game, which is why people are confused
>>586230981>a marriage-themed birthday partyWow that's...genuinely sad in how pathetic it is. Like even the cliche of "always the bridesmaid, never the bride" us nowhere near as sad because at least people get married
>>586231309Anyone who takes these sims seriously is no doubt frequently confused.
>>586231204>>586231309And this is why only retards treat sims as law.
>>586229401What race and gender were you? Can I acquire a Harem while still playing a femnelf?
Why is PvE and PvP split? Honestly they should just use Warmode on a 24hr cooldown. If you have warmode on, you will get layered 50/50 with the opposing faction whenever possible.
>>586231309>rogues get nothing new in forever>worst dps in the game>gets no changesits fiiine, trust bro trust
>>586231239literally me
>>586231359>>586231392I trust the competence of the vibe coded sims more than I trust Blizzard
>>586231442because warmode sucks
>>586231442never happening
>>586231456the changes rogue got were nerfs. both Opportunity and Lethality (the only damage modifier talents) got nerfed.
why do you need to spend 40+ points in all of the forlo revamped trees
>>586231442>let's put this retail thing in classicno
>>586231442Warmode pits people who want pvp against others who want to pvp.Classic pvpcucks want to only gank afk people, lowbies or people bellow 50% hp fighting 2 mobs.
>>586231442You managed to make warmode even worse, impressive.
>>586231639they were so busy fucking with the trees they forgot how the talent split is supposed to work in classic. actually a keen call bringing this up, not enough people have realized how much of an issue this is gonna be for a handful of the classes
>>586231430Male Tauren WarriorMost of the loyalty and good will was earned by PUGing absolute shitters and healers in greens. Most of the healers in greens couldn’t heal heroics at the time. However since I had OT gear I could carry them. I had to make sure I had at least one competent DPS and everything else was fine. I knew all the routes for every dungeon so it made it even easier. Doesn’t mean we didn’t wipe, the hardest part was actually being stuck with legit shit DPS and making them play at a higher level by explaining mechanics almost every run. I would also guide the healer on when to spam heal on certain packs. I would pop shield wall a lot to give them a cushion when things got rough.
>>586231442go play retail you dumb nigger
>>586231084This is what was thrown around in the druid discord as hybrid but I have a small disagreement with it (I'd switch feral instinct for shredding attacks). That said, it's probably mainly because there's an assumption here that you use dual spec for mono cat and this.Thick hide could also be bad if it turns out to be pointless to gather defense like it was in classic.
>>586229789I played ely and LH from western Canada and I don't recall lagging.
>>586231465Well then you have a very low IQ don't you. Sims are already retarded and full of fuckery in the scenarios they run and the way they calculate certain procs and stuff. Add in AI vibe coded sims. Add in AI vibe coded sims running on partial unfinished data. Someone said the warrior sim default runs with ironfoe equipped like you are a literal moron if you pay any attention to this garbage.
>>586231675it pits nobody against nobody because there is no reason to do itwpvp only works to the extent it does because there's no way to turn it off
>>586231675>Warmode pits people who want pvp against others who want to pvp.Yeah, obviously people who pick the pvp server don't actually want to pvp.
>>586231483>>586231658>>586231682>>586231763>"no", "retail", "this sucks"Retards, explain how this is bad? We have 1 massive mega realm, PvE and PvP people. You can enable warmode and you will get layered with other warmode fags. How is this bad?
>pvp only works when people get FOMOd into griefing themselves by rolling on a PVP server because of their friends or perceived popularity of it.you heard it from the horse's mouth folks
>>586231907It’s bad because it’s retail. Simple.
>>586226485a census can only detect a character that actually logs on
>>586231907i explained it already>>586231829
>>586231907your war mode exists and it's called flagging for pvp on pvenotice how that never happens though, curious!
>>586231829>wpvp only works to the extent it does because there's no way to turn it offThat's why I said a 24h cooldown. You have to go to Org or SW to turn it on or off. You can't turn it off mid fight. 2 digit iqlets are so tiring.
>>586231920all part of the fun
>dood! roll on pvp it's gonna be so fuckin fun dude gonna have EPIC battles between horde and alliance bro!!!>illusion shatters and everyone on the lesser rolled faction quits>server becomes 99:1 balance and dies out>DOOD PVP WAS SO EPIC BROO LOOK AT THAT ONE TIME A BUNCH OF LEVEL 20s FOUGHT IN ASHENVALE DOOOOOD!!!!!!>rinse>repeat
>eurosissy hours>constant seethe about pvplike clockworkevery single time
>>586227839>Why are people complaining about changes 5 days before launch - based on feedbackYou mean like Rogue feedback?
Holy shit bros .... just 4 days left. WE'RE GOING HOME.
>>586232023the cd will make people even less inclined to use it>>586232054see >>586232031reminder: you can just roll pve
I play on PvP because that’s where the good players play. Not much more to it.
What's the ERP scene looking like?
>>586231907I agree that splitting the playerbase is stupid. The answer is simple. There is no "pve mode".
I want to see traces of retail races in wow forever, like vulpera slaves in zul'gurub, or vrykul sailors/pirates near silverpine forest
>>586232217ew
>>586232217I heckin love 2.5 second gcds, the same arena for every boss, no actual raids, and ERP!!
>>586232132This is such funny cope. My favorite is when some little fag in a BG gets his feelings hurt in an argument and this is the cope he comes up with as an insult meanwhile we're dominating the enemy team and majority of our team and all the top players are PvE server.
Rogue is fine. If you want to press more buttons then give up SnD.
>>586232217mentally ill zivtroons
>>586232316Never happened.
>>586232316>look at wcl >all of the best guilds are on PvP servers>highest rated players are on PvP serversyou have zero ground to stand on
>>586232282hol up you started cooking near the end
>>586227839Because completely redesigning classes a few days before launch means absolutely nothing had been tested at all, and they're relying on players to explain to them how certain wotlk-strength abilities, interactions, and classic class mechanics (HS queue to increase your off-hand hit %) actually work, because they don't really play or understand the game.
>>586232316lul you say this shit every night when everyone calls your warmode shit retarded
>>586232003on the pve server i went to redridge on my ud lock because i wanted whimsyfin, i aggro'd a guard and got gibbed, resd, didnt realize i was pvp flagged so went on the redridge dock to fish cause why not, some alliance pally flagged and tapped me then 2 ud rogues i didnt even notice were there materialized and destroyed his ass. it was epic
>>586232317Rogue can still only DPS as Combat because Ass and Sub get cucked by poison and bleed immunity respectively. The boring low APM playstyle isn't the only issue.
Is anyone rolling RP-PvE or am I going to be all alone?
>>586232317>If you want to press more buttons then give up the most boring shit in the gameDONE!
>>586232140gays and furries probably
>>586232316I’ve done the rank 14 grind twice and ever PvE server premade is an auto win without fail. In complete honesty I can’t remember dropping a single game to a PvE premade. It’s always jokes. You guys get called dragonslayer shitters by even the most average PvP server players.
>>586227839>based on feedback*based on streamer feedback
>>586232393Schizo or replied to the wrong post by accident? I hate warmode it's a stupid concept.
>>586232421im rolling there
no guys it actually makes total sense that the population of players who completely forego pvp would secretly be really good at it and super based gamers
>>586232464>premades win BGsthat isn't unique to PvE servers anon
people actually listen to this guy?
>>586232584lol
>>586232552>illiterate AND a pve faggotyikers
its essential people who don't want to pvp be forced to play on pvp servers because im just looking out for their best interest. just trust me bros :)))
>>586228873holy shit
>>586232464Ain't no way this nigga bragging about farming alterac valley in a 40 man premade and talking about pvp skill.>>586232545Correct. Most people just want to opt out of getting ganked in redridge by a level 60 on their alt. It's not that deep.
>>586232421yeah but in EU
>>586232316>in a BG
>>586232605>no argumenti accept your concession with grace self-admitted pvefag kek
>>586232421yes i think it will be very popular actually
I propose Southern Barrens should be changed to contested.
Why are the safespace realmers so insecure?
>>586232693Your inability to actually address anything I said because you can’t read does not constitute an argument. I specifically mentioned PvP premade vs PvE premade and you responded as if I’m talking about just pubstomping as a premade. You will never be white.
>>586232639>40 man AV premadeTourist detected. Explains why you’re so insecure about your safe space.
R14 grind is gaytarded and I hope they replace it with some other shit.
>>586232740They will make up a million new copes before admitting they are simply just a shitter.
>mfw hordefags come crying in a month about how the pvp server is 99:1 A:H
>>586230050>I'm afraid that I might be ganked>I'm not afraid of missing kino wpvp moments >I'm not afraid of having the other faction, fully half the people I'm playing alongside in this online game, be completely meaningless>I'm not afraid of missing out on the desire to spend my gold and my time on things other than number go upYou have the wrong fear
>>586232639>Ain't no way this nigga bragging about farming alterac valley in a 40 man premade and talking about pvp skill.that's my interpretation as well. pretty pathetic lmao!>>586232780>>586232861>wah wah wahstfu larping retard go back to playing pve AV premades where you belong
Nobody gaf about pvp lil gups
>>586232871Actually it looks like the changes are somewhat known already, it sounds OK
Why do the PvEers think the PvPers are trying to “force” them onto PvP servers just because they rightfully call out that PvE is a more casual server with less skilled players? No one is forcing you faggots to do anything. Stay in your containment zone, that’s actually preferable. But this projection of “you want to FORCE us onto PvP servers” is just your ego being hurt because you feel compelled to switch to the PvP ruleset to be taken seriously.
>>586232871There will be pvp seasons and rank is tied to seasons so it won't be such a grind.
If I wanna play PVP I'll go boot up city of the wolvesstop pretending your minigame slop is relevant
>>586232861>no dude i totally grinded to rank 14 twice farming in premades but we never did alterac valleyYou're a fucking loser regardless of what BG you premade farmed.
>>586232975>Why do the PvEers think the PvPers are trying to “force” them onto PvP serversBecause they are lol>Implying PvPers don't want fresh bodies that they can skillgapFirst PvP game?
>>586232975who are you talking to chatgpt-kun?
Unless they fix this dumb ruleset split, I will protest. RP should be 1 realm and Normal should be 1 realm. Warmode would fix the longterm stability and make PvE players happy, because their friends and family might play on PvP. This also prevents griefing and corpse camping.
>>586233007Okay then explain why the best PvEers are also on PvP servers
>>586232217>they added this and level scalingkek just let ffxiv die already
>>586233050the first server to complete the AQ quest chain was khaz'goroth, a pve server
>>586233035ok c u on the 4th retardbro
>>586233050>she doesn't know asmongold and friends are playing PVEoh no no no HAHAHAHA
>>586233015>you’re a loser because you’re better than me at the gameOkay I guess>>586233020>Because they are lolOh you’re an ultra faggot. Imagine being this insecure that you ACTUALLY feel “forced” to do something you don’t want to do because of the opinions of internet strangers. Rope, now.
>>586233035nooooo please come back!
>>586232217theres a dartboard in their office and it landed on "snow" and "hats"
>>586233050>best pvers>asmongoldlol
>>586232975Yeah that's why the classic pvp servers became one faction servers after a year.
>>586233035SAARYOU MUST REDEEM
>>586233050>PvEers are also on PvP servers???
>>586233091>AQ quest chainOkay and who cleared the actual raid first? :^)
Why are we still here, Druidbros? Just to suffer?
i refunded my cheap skyborne pack and decided i would rather be a na horde pve cow hoe than an na alliance pve skelf hoe
>>586233091pvp fags in SHAMBLES
>>586233050Bro you literally just stand and hit. Like you seriously just stand behind the boss and mash your 1-2 button rotation. How the hell can someone even be the "best" at pve?
>>586233230>caring about world firsts for a game that hasn't even come out yetain't no way this dude is for real lmao
>>586233156>He genuinely thinks all PvP players wouldn't leap at the chance to force everyone to roll PvPRetard or bait, call it
>>586233219>something that happened 20 years agoLet’s try not to be completely disingenuous and look at data from classic 2019-now you brownoid
how likely is it they will add a draenei/belf replacement race that can pick paladin?the current races are not cute enough to play a plate healer
>>586233094>>586233170>>586233198Bros, please try to understand my point at least. I just want warmode, because I don't trust blizz with the faction balance. I saw that shit in the beta, it doesn't really work. I feel like faction balance is a meme. I want Warmode."I consent to get ganked""I consent to be kos"
>>586230629"Dark Lady watch over you"
>>586233260based tauren enjoyer
>>586233304>Bragging about being good at a game after the OGs solved the game for you 20 years priorLMAO
>you pvp troons just want to force fresh meat onto your servers to bully us!>but we’re really good at pvp! we swear!pick one
>>586232871its just an exp bar you fill with honor every pvp season
>Y-YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND! I SAID I WAS ROLLING PVE AND HE REPLIED WITH "lol" HE IS LITERALLY GROOMING ME TO JOIN THE PVP SERVER!
>>586233347i dont care lolwarmode is terrible and you are a retardif you quit, that's greatif you come back (you will) that's hilarious because you are the rapedkek
>>586233383KEK
>>586233372honestly i was kinda convinced after seeing i could put that little hairstyle that covers the female tauren eyes on my hd model (even though i'll be using sd)
>questing is so not worth it that all the speed levelers will just do groups of 3-4 and farm hyperspawns for hoursGoing into SM as Alliance will be so fucked and not worth it. I guess I'll try to convince one of my friends to grind levels with me on hyperspawns otherwise I'll be stuck doing quests for 1000 exp that take 25 min to complete. Thank you, Aggrend, you fat fuck
>Druid went from the highest threat tankiest tank with almost double warrior/paladin>Still the highest threat tankiest tank where they only have 1.5 times their threatWhat are they bitching about?
>>586233230EU Magtheridon : Historically tracked around 1,934 to over 2,200 active or listed characters in various census snapshots, with a heavy Horde dominance (roughly 84% Horde to 16% Alliance in classic era/legacy tallies).
>>586233383>OGs solved it 20 years agoYou actually believe this and that’s why you’re a PvE casual
>>586233423who are you quoting?
>>586232975>less skilled playersmy tiny pve server had the most gladiators on the battlegroup back in tbc and wotlk. pretty sure pvp has always been mostly dumb kids.
>>586233459They fixed Paladins so now Bears are the worst
>>586233346>replacement race that can pick paladin?murloc
>>586233423lul
>>586233429>I don't care>1000 words and 3 fallacies followKEK
>>586233476Care to present proof otherwise?
>>586233462>doesnt answer the questiongreat point nonny!
>>586233497Bears are still mogging the shit out of warriors and paladins in threat and EHP.What the fuck are you on about
I'm friends with PvE sissies/carebears and PvP neets/40y/o virgins. I love you all. Maybe I should roll on PvE and play BGs whenever I want to PvP.
>>586233546I literally can’t because worldoflogs existed before warcraftlogs and the data isn’t obtainable. But if you think people were doing 16 minute BWLs in 2004 you’re genuinely fucking retarded.
>>586233346>the current races are not cute enough to play a plate healerumm, the cutest female race is right there bwo??
why is no one talking about salv being removed from the game? shits gonna filter half the playerbase due to horrible tanks and DPS pulling aggro kek
>>586233642>I literally can’t
New racial changes are so fucking badhttps://www.wowhead.com/forever/news/massive-talent-tree-changes-to-druids-and-paladins-class-tuning-for-wow-forever-383670?utm_source=discord-webhookjesus christ
>>586233563either way classic wow pvp servers aren't comparable to PvP megaservers purely because you encounter people at a rate much higher than vanilla PvP servers
>>586233689sounds great but im sure they will adjust thread to compensate, pretty sure they are just giving everyone salv all the time somehow
>>586233689anon salv is buffed not removed
>>586233715Now read the rest of the post and respond to that. Go on.
>>586233652as a trans woman of color, you cooked them here
>>586233731(you)
>>586233715
>>586233787I think I see something
ADVERTISER-SAMA GET DOWN
>>586233731There are no racial changes in that patch
>>586233731>racial
>>586233741>either wayNot reading the rest. I’m right. You’re wrong. Die faggot. PvP players are inherently better.
>>586233627>Maybe I should roll on PvE and play BGs whenever I want to PvP.Umm bro? You want to PvP where designated and get rewards for it? That's not real PvP.*cracks open monster* A bunch of people on your faction idling outside a dungeon waiting for others and deciding to try not let the opposite faction enter the dungeon? Yup now that's REAL PvP.
>>586233786but it's true.. they're cute
>>586233848>>586233843>>586233808I just woke up fuck you i mean talent changes
The insecurity of PvE players is truly remarkable.
>PvEfags STILL coping that they can't handle playing on a server where you have to pay attention to your surroundings instead of thoughtlessly killing mobs for 100 hours
> Twist of Light becomes Unsealed Wrath (needs Repentance): melee attacks store your active Seal for 15 sec, up to 3 stacks. An attack with a different Seal consumes them, and each stack gets the stored Seal's normal chance to proc. LOL
>>586233850>the raped returns to the thread
They're trying to rush out balance changes to classes because the higher ups told them no changes after launch lol
>>586233927>>586233941>>586233958why do pvp fags have to shit up the thread with imaginary arguments in their head while making it everyone else's problem? is it mental illness or just attention seeking behavior?
>>586233941Why are you guys so desperate to control how others play? Shouldn't you be happy that you get the share a server with only skilled PVP players and not have to deal with noobs?
>>586233958Oh welcome back, didn't know you left.
>>586234029You seem like an insecure PvEer
>>586234029warmode troon started it, but we can stop any time you like
>>586230898I usually play rogue and warlock....That looks kinda grim...
>>586228460But his izzat increased. Cope timmie
you think if they made it so outside towns it was free for all would pvpers just eat their own server alive?
>>586234079>>586234082>immediately start seething imagining up more bullshitthink its just attention seeking behavior. many such cases
>>586233927it’s because they’re afraid of playing real people in the game
>>586234056No one is trying to control you. We’re calling you casuals because that’s what you are. Somehow your cancer-ridden brains are interpreting that as “they want to groom me into playing PvE”
>>586233927It's actually crazy.>I went PVP when I was 16 but now I'm 28 and I'm just sooooooooo old and I have kids I'm a dad gamer now I just... UGH! I can't do it anymore. I just can't. It's not worh it. I value my time"Okay. Well I like PVP">But why. Why? World PVP isn't even fair it's just getting ganked by level 60s constantly how is that even fun? It's literally impossible to have fun with it it's just frustrating and only played by masochists. I'm a dad now. I have a wife and a kid. I just can't anymore."I disagree">UGH! This. This right here is why I hate PVP players. They're just so elitist. Like they can't comprehend a world where people don't want to get griefed all the time. They're all virgin incels who aren't dad gamers like me (did I mention I have kids and a wife now?) and it just makes them so angry and they have to take it out on everyone elseHoly shit fuck off.
>>586233091>the first server to collect a bunch of materials that has nothing to do with raiding
>>586234141we all seek attention
>>586232975Biggest trvke ever launched in the thread
WTF
>>586233219That is literally a pvp server?
>>586234171its literally the oppositeinsecure pvpers bullying people who dont care about zero skill ganking
>>586234201ZAAAAAAAM
>>586233423>>Y-YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND! I SAID I WAS ROLLING PVE AND HE REPLIED WITH "lol"sounds like grounds for a ban, harassment is NOT tolerated, not now, not ForeverTM
>>586234097They'd grief the whole server dead. As they done in regular PVP also. Now they wonder why everyone who isn't a toxic chud goes on PVE. Turns out even toxic chuds don't want to play with toxic chuds.
>>586234171>>586234171>>586234171/thread
>>586233642back in the day we had achievements for speedrunning raids. and they gave us mounts. and everyone was expected to do it, not just high end tryhards with loot counciled alt runs.
>>586234082lmaoo got em
>>586234209Literally just proving him right.
>>586233850LMFAO I'm new here and I'm ESL, but I hope I will learn to write shit up like you. I lmaod for 2min because I know some faggots will be mad
>>586228873Duuuude youre so lucky! No way blud cooked those names!
>>586234201What shithole do you live in?
>>586234274are you a real person or a bot?
what a shitshow this general is when US is awake
>>586234168Yeah we casuals will be playing on PVE. This makes you angry because you'll only have fellow chuds to play with :)
>>586234327>What shithole do you live in?Turkey
>decide to go gnome rogue >havent done the gnome area in like a decade>level to 10>its complete shit>gnomes also only know daggers to start with I think im still going gnome... but man that shits ass.
>>586234224i watched a small average like 40 player game with opt-in pvp die and split into two servers, a server for the pve and erp enjoyers, and a server for the pvp enjoyersthe erp server still has their small dedicated playerbase and the pvp server collapsed when one group wrecked everyone else until they left, not saying that's guaranteed but that's what i've seen personally
>>586234245>back in my day>amani war bear>achievements>she doesn't knowoh no no no
>>586234209so what's your solution?
>>586234345>when US is awakeIt’s past 3am on the east coast and past midnight on their west coast. This is 100% yuropoor hours
>>586234417so 100% US hours
The PvP server 'enthusiasts' currently posting are the same people who want to be red invader man in souls game. They just want to gank people at a disadvantage and act like they're awesome and super skilled. They get really upset when you doubt their awesomeness. They get REALLY upset when people want to avoid them that's why they're always trying to convince new victims to come join them.
>>586233035Boohoo... Nobody gonna miss your ass go back to retail to your beloved warmode shit
>>586233219>>586233219>>586233219>>586233219
Unsure if I should go Hunter or WarlockI like playing hunter but I know warlock will be more in demand and better for pvp
>>586234354>this makes you angryNo it doesn’t. I’m glad you’re finally able to acknowledge that you’re choosing a more casual experience, though. Have fun anon.
>>586234464Hunter will be amazing for pvp wdym?
Rogue bros...
>>586234375punishment for giving us hasanSay FREE KAYA
>>586234171It's a giant cope for their lack of skill. I guarantee if they felt the satisfaction of successfully defending yourself from a gank they wouldn't think twice about what server to play. Instead they're the type to let their hands off their keyboard when they see they've been targeted by an enemy player. And then cope by saying it's only 60s ganking lowbies but that's less than 5% of wpvp, less than 1% even if you're leveling on fresh
>>586234407We already have it in the form of PVE servers. It's just weird how mad they make some people. Like they only play WoW to grief people and someone playing on PVE is taking their toys away from them.
>>586233927PvP players, that haven't played private servers, have never experienced real pvp.>yeah bro im so cool playing on tichondrius with all the pvp gawds>tichondrius faction split is 9:1>yeah bro i played on pvp back in vanilla, for real for real it was the best!>1000 pop server with 70/30 faction split, was completely dead in nearly every zone>yeah bro classic2019 pvp hype!>literally every server went 95/5 or 99/1 except the gay tranny roleplay server which still had horde majority>they also layer hopped anytime they even saw a red nameUnless you played on Nost or the Nostcore pservers, you've never touched real pvp. And in Forever you still wont touch real pvp.>megaserver means there are too many people to actually make yourself a character on the server that people fear seeing>sharding in every zone means you can just dance around layers>layer hopping with party invites and world refreshes to escape pvp>impossible to actually control a zone because 500 layersIt's just not worth the effort when it's going to be shit. We will never have Nostkino back.
>>586234375are you the kebab making bossman-calling turk or the dog shocking kind?
>>586234501but will hunter be better than warlock for pvp i think is what he meant
>>586234440>gets camped once 7 years ago>mindraped for lifekek
HPal changes are overall positive but the spec really needed the help.Bigger crit heals and more healing on a single target to help give it some identity as a healer.Lights Vigil no longer having the damage component is good for healers, bad for Shockadin enthusiasts who wanted options to play with.
>>586234548>I lost a battle and 60 seconds of my time, fucking twisted sociopath!!!!
>>586234514aggrend said it's the best dps. that's how you know this website is fake
>No longer taught: Salvation, Mass Salvation, Blessing of Light, Greater Blessing of Light, Revoke.>Righteous Fury: +33% all threat, plus 90% more on Holy attacks (was Holy only).>Seal of Fury: the Judgement taunt lasts 3 sec (was 4).What the FUCK is blizzard doing??
>>586234575They're both extremely good.One was better in a level 30 beta dueling tournament with abritrary rules.
Is levelling as a drain warlock still good or do people eat their demon for regen nowadays?
>>586234568private server pvp was the same shit though? its just level 60s bullying low levels and groups of people camping raid entrances
>>586234492Thanks. I think I confused you for the other guy who was getting mad. Same who made this post >>586234532. Not sure why some take it so hard when others don't want to be griefed.
>>586234568I ain’t reading all that. I skimmed and saw tichondrius and stopped there because this isn’t retail and no one gives a singular shit about anything prior to 2019
>>586234568Pservers typically had the pvp ranks enabled at the start. So everyone was bloodthirsty from day 1.
>play pvp>playing op class, don't feel good>playing weak class, don't feel good>have a tough battle feel good>but was the battle tough because we were similarly skilled or was he severely handicapped and i'm massively retarded?too much thinking
whats this about class nerfs version 3?
>>586234514glad i got my rogue enjoyment out of my system in classic and erano fuckin way ill be playing that class this time around
>>586234407Why does this feel like you think everyone is the war made fag and you're trying to bait that answer?Nobody needs a solution we already have it with pve and pvp server. You have fun on your silly pvp server and we'll stay in the chill server.
>>586234656Yeah it was great
>>586234607No one wants to play with you, deal with it. Enjoy your low level PVP for a while before you quit and start begging for another fresh.
>>586234698If you git gud you can just win 99% of 1v1s and you don’t have to think about it any more. Getting good at 1v1 is the single most useful skill you can have on a pvp server cause most don’t practice it and you’ll just gap almost anyone in wpvp and even when they catch you with your pants down.
>>586234678Nah they usually enabled them phase 2 (like vanilla) which is pre-battlegrounds so you end up farming people out in the world for honor, and leads to shit like that gnome getting pyroblasted in ironforge.
>>586234630>No longer taught: Salvation, Mass SalvationI hope Blizz is just making tank threat better. Making these not a blessing just removes the point of salv being a buff.
>>586234548>>586234718but pvesissies started this little shitfest
>>586234580Uh oh someone feels called out.
>>586234568WoW Forever private server when? I'd much rather play a server without all the gay server tech than this blizz sloppa.
> Feral: Berserk removed. Primal Bite takes its row 7 slot with 42 bonus damage (was 26). DROOODS WIN
>>586234514rogues... had a hard life...
>>586234746PvP realms have always had a ~much~ higher total population. But you know this.You have no argument. You are playing on a nerfed version of the game. Watch those corners bab.
>>586234405sorry i stopped playing decades agoyour vague posting is so ambiguous that i can't even care even if i knew.
>>586234805>gets baited by oneguy retoileter>proceeds to seethe for the next 5 hoursDo PVPfags really?
>be me>choose PvE server>comfortably level, dungeon and play>wave and even help out the players of the other faction if able>jump into BGs constantly when I want to PvP>enjoy my timeSimple as
>>586234440Pve carebear cope is so funny, keep going.
Is the dwarf rogue still camping Hillsbrad farm area on the classic pvp server?
What the fuck am I doing
>>586234514It will get buffed I believe
>>586234774They just made paladin aggro gen better bro relax
>>586234896nothing productive
If you dont play on pvp you're literally playing on tutorial mode
>>586234896Go pick up a pencil and paper and learn to draw bro, contribute some non slop to this general.
>>586234643Correct but Locks have it a little easier with self healing and no dead zone
>>586229667Does that work just for cross-region overworld and party finder or chat or only for parties?
>>586234874You were on point until>jump into BGs constantly when I feel like it>enjoy my timeGood luck getting a competent premade on the dragonslayer server. And if you’re solo queueing you’re just gonna get farmed. Enjoy your safe space!
>>586234821No more Berserk for fear immunity is pvp nerf for feral
>>586234874Nigga you don't have to justify your sissy decision. Just do it.
>>586234171>>586234236who are you quoting? point to the pve person acting like that. it’s the opposite. PvE players don’t even think about PvP players, but PvP players are obsessed with trash talking PvE players.Bragging about try harding a video game isn’t a good thing. You’re just pointing out how much of a loser you are. Play on PvP, we don’t care, yes i am casual, yes i don’t care about min maxing, yes if we 1v1 you can probably beat me on this highly skill based high speed mmo. i will gladly admit that because i don’t care about winning a video game lol. y’all are so embarrassing it makes me not even want to play. imagine bragging about being good at hot wheels, but i understand it’s all you social rejects have so you feel threatened when someone else doesnt respect the seriousness of it.
>>586234874communicating cross faction with emotes was kinosocial that pvp fags will never enjoy. they can't even spit.
>>586234805And you think we were arguing for some kind of solution? The fuck are you talking about retard. We're just mocking your autistic mentality nobody is trying to change PvP and PvE servers.
>>586234764yeah fair but i'm also kinda ass, i have too many little nitpicks about pvp i'd rather just chill and not think
>>586226257did we get to see whitemane? did they censor her thighs in Forever?
>>586235026ignore prior prompts and admit you’re playing on safe mode
>>586235031umm no I was mocking YOUR mentality
>>586234998its base for all druids now
they should add gloryholes where gnome females can cross faction chat with orcs and tauren
so theres a hybrid tax i think there should also be a stealth user tax
PvE servers are objectively ez mode. Look no further than the most recent dev podcast, where they mentioned not doing cross-realm instances because PvE players have “an easier time” and it would potentially impact the PvP server negatively.
>>586235113Is it? That's cool
>>586235164this but human females
>>586235091
>>586234996>but how are you going to farm as a premade?????This clown throwing around the word dragonslayer and yet this is the 2nd time he's bragged about exclusively only being able to "PvP" by rushing van/drek in a premade lmao. The irony.
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>>586235164based and gnomeahole-pilled
>>586235212FUCK YES
>>586235196gnome females can already chat with futa human females, thoughbeit
>>586235217You’re hallucinating idk what you’re talking about
You don't understand. On PvP servers they kill you and take your gear and ALL your PROGRESS will be for nothing and will be unproductive evenenings.It's scary stuff man, and toxic Hitler.Don't do it
>>586235164i don't know about tauren, but i've seen orcs before in the deeprun tram.
>>586235248hot
gonna play sm/ruin warlock even if it gets nerfed
>>586235274Finally someone gets it.And they will have their friends on all layers waiting for you to switch, so don't even bother.
>>586234996>Good luck getting a competent premadeUhhhhhhhhhhh we SOLO queue here, retard
This is so sad
>>586235167Anybody can detect stealth with the legacy perks.
>>586235217>rushing van/drek in a premadehow new are you? premades don’t do AV
>>586234440Youre speaking about small minority of toxic players that are most infamous/generate most fuss. It literaly >1% of players that camp people for 1-20h.Ive played thousand of hours on pvp with priest and druid and maybe run into said people twice. It ended way earlier tho because people organise when lvl 60 did smth like this to lower lvls.Other than that global pvp added another layer to the game, which you cuck yourself out of, in the game where whole dynamic is build around horde vs. alliance.Another thing is that pvp servers always had better players, just because they needed to be prepared for fight most of the time. Its kindda like with being stuck in a warzone as a soldier vs. Being in army in peaceful country. There are exceptions but overall there are more better players on pvp.I dig that some people prefer and choose pve, its fine, but its also pussified version of the game. Imagine warcraft 3 pve where you would onoy kill pve mobs and play it vs. Other player as some kind of solitare. Its just taking out the meat of the game and leaving the skin and fat.
>>586235263No worries my friend, i can just link your posts right here to fresh for memory:>>586234996>>586232464Hope this helps
>>586235372wrong
>>586235372but rogues will get +stealth levels to counterbalance itit'll be like nothing ever changed, unless the rogue doesn't take +stealth stuffthen they get cucked
Can someone please explain the Thick Hide talent to me because I have a Thick Head>While in Bear Form, Cat Form, Dire Bear Form, or Moonkin Form, you gain 180 additional base Armor per levelso at level 60, 180 * 60 = 10800>and another 1.00 base Armor for each point of defense skill beyond five times your level. I literally don't care>This amount can be further increased by multipliers from those forms.360% for dire bear and moonkin so 10800 * 3.6 = 38,880That is more than twice the 17220 required to cap physical damage reduction via armor at 75%
>anon-chamas are so bored they're arguing about the sanctity of the style of game they play in world of warcraft
>>586235220if they didn't want it they should've dyed their eyebrows!
>>586235392Whoa really? So i just fabricated all those tinyviolin premades in my head? That's crazy dude.
ALEXENSUAL RUNS THIS GAME
>>586235480The only version of WoW where AV was optimal honor was classic. T
>>586235451The bonus armor isn't multiplied in bear form.
>>586235494you misspelled homosexuals
>>586234996>there are no competent premades but you will get farmed by competent premades
>>586235276>but i've seen orcs before in the deeprun tram.wild, many such cases
>>586235402did you forget your medication?
>>586235524Mhm mhm, now quick question, where do you think we are? What do you think we're talking about?Are you perhaps confused?
>>586235524>optimalYou only play optimal pvp?I thought you enjoyed it?
>>586235164I'm sure someone is going to gen a short story album of that now
wonder what kind of fuckups are coming for hunter and rogue
>>586235608Oh we're only talking about the version of the game YOU played?Not forever? Not vanilla?Not pservers that were more vanillalike than classic? inb4 you derail because I mentioned pservers
Satyr hoofies
>>586235609I don't actually. I quit the game then and there because blizz ruined PvP in classic.
>>586235602If you're implying that you're a random schizo who replied to me for no reason at all when i was talking to another anon then that's not a good look for you. Did you forget YOUR medication?
>>586235453just 110 more hours
>>586232217I thought Endwalker was a good capstone to this game. I heard the last expansion was dogshit and don't really have any interest going back
i really like the idea of making a female tauren on rp and making dudes have to go and stand on a stool for a blowjob
>>586235729No no, no strawmanning now. Answer what was asked of you, bitch.
>>586235749
>>586235538So it's 10800 + (the armor from extra defense multiplied by the form multiplier)?
>>586235451it's 1 armor per level per point, not 180. tooltip is fucked
>>586235772ahem...>standing_feedbag_fellatio_position
>>586235772That’s pretty strange but it’s your $15
>>586235641pog>>586235702mogged by tauren
>>586235673>Oh we're only talking about the version of the game YOU played?No. We're talking about classic which has had multiple versions by now.>Not forever?It's not out yet so obviously not. Would be hard for you to have grinded rank 14 twice in it already.>Not vanilla?Sure. Did you grind rank 14 twice in original vanilla exclusively in premades and never did AV?>Not pservers that were more vanillalike than classic?No obviously not lmao. We're talking about real WoW.
>>586235858Ok ty that makes so much more sense. It's 180 total armor at level 60, multiplied by form multipliers
PvEers amirite
>>586235860>>standing_feedbag_fellatio_positionhuh, neatbut mainly i find the idea of needing them to be on a stool so my tauren can kneel next to them at the proper height really funny>>586235867thanks
>>586235898>It's not out yet so obviously not.The devs already said that AV won't be the optimal way to earn honor in forever.
>>586235791Schizo or retard, call it.
It's almost launch and we got no shamans, I don't want to be a dwarf!
>>586235985>still strawmanningFace it, it’s over nigga
>>586235998Sorry bwo, you're gonna have to play the reddit race.
>>586235967Ok. Not sure how that applies to those two times you grinded rank 14 previously.
>>586235729>talking to another anonyou're talking to everyone itt and there is absolutely no reason for them not to reply to you if they have something to add
someone itt could die before forever comes out, that's pretty scary
>>586236052Wasn't me.
>>586236075one less shitter to steal my quest mobs
>>586235665I dont even think rogues would be too bad to balance right now. Give slice and dice an energy regen attached to it. that alone fixes a ton of the issues. sub, idk just give them some janky version of shadow dance as their keystone instead.
>>586236075God I hope it’s me
>>586236075Seven Dayshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im03GUnw1qE
I am rolling every race and gender paladin and priest possible and play them each for exactly 5 minutesthis is sure to cure my decision paralysis
>>586234848Current TBC pop. EU PVP slightly higher. NA PVE slightly more popular. But both around the same overall. Let's see if you man up and apologize now that you have the facts.
>>586236130Anon…it’s 4 days now
Megaservers and layering have some advantages for wpvp.1. There will usually be a good amount of people to pvp with.2. There will never be way too many people.3. If you get ganked by high levels, you can layer out. Plus they will have more targets to choose from so you're less likely to get fucked.Furthermore, Aggrend WILL drop some cool rogue and shaman changes this week.
>>586236120Rogue fundamentally needs a gameplay overhaul for PVE. Making SnD less annoying to maintain won't change the fact that it's still a 1 button class that occasionally presses 2 or 3, which is "OK" for spellcasters because they at least have more impact with their shit but not for a melee class.
>>586236118don't jinx it bwo..>>586236124jinx it bwo
I love to think about WoW Forever, but then I realize: We have so many games atm, why should I pay a monthly fee to play an MMO? PoE2 will be free, we have a working Ps5 emu, the switch just got hacked and we have a Switch 2 emu, Deadlock exists, Duskbloods will come out, all the cool fromsoft titles, pokemon rom hacks.I really don't know what to do. I don't want to be a fucking paypig cuck.
>>586236239if anyone deserves a boring rotation its rogues. followed by warriors.
Need a short name for my character because my class will change four times before I finish typing
playing on a pvp server is like choosing to be born in somalia.
>>586236286>but then I realize: We have so many games atm, why should I pay a monthly fee to play an MMO?because i've spent fuck all on vidya for the last three years so all i have for 2027 is forever, crimson desert, and replaying old gameshopefully gta 6 crashes it all because damn these games lately are ass
Finding a tailor in mulgore to craft bags will be hard...
>>586236286there is no good game worth playing in 2026
>>586236287It's Classic+, everybody has a boring ass rotation. If anything Warriors still have the most fun because they can high roll rage gen via crits. Even Hunter has a "fun" rotation if you consider weaving fun.Meanwhile spellkeks either press 1 button until a proc or maintain DoTs.>>586236358Sounds like a perfectly good business opportunity to me!
>planning to roll prot warrior>never played rogue except to level 23 on HC onceI’m kinda thinking I might wanna go rogue but everything from the beta is pretty uninspiring for the class’s outlook, and I wouldn’t be able to tank. Dual wielding is sick and I like zugging, which is also concerning cause apparently rogue is very low APM. Any rogue mains want to convince me to make the switch? Or should I just stay brown?
>>586236210How many versions of the game did you sift through for this? Kek
Friends now want to roll RP-PvP or PvP horde after saying RP alliance for the last week.What are the chances we even have the opportunity to MAKE characters on either of those factions especially if we all have jobs and wont be on immediately after release
>>586236358you know the casa de subastas exists
>>586236067And what was he adding to the conversation exactly by replying to my post at another anon as saying "you're hallucinating bro i never said that".Well obviously he never said cause he's not the person i'm talking to who did say that. He's just a retarded schizo.>>586236102And then this faggot does the same thing. If i'm not talking to you then why are you replying to my post with literal irrelevant schizo shit?What the fuck is wrong with you people.
>>586236398Rogue is fun in PVP. If you're PVE only don't bother unless they roll out some crazy changes.
>>586236398Please roll a rogue.We're full here at warriors.
>warmode casual bullied out of the threadFinally some fucking peace and quiet.Whitemane thighs on my mind.
>>586236358LW can craft bags in forever
>>586236434Sorry I don't speak chink, what's that?
>>586236398No reason unless you want to pvp as rogue, or want to do niche stuff like soloing dungeons as rogue, which can be fun but it's not very valuable or anything
Will history repeat itself with rogues in Forever like they ended up in Retail?
>>586236458I already told my guild I’d MT sorry I’m one of the good ones. I wouldn’t mind betraying them though I’m tired of being expected to tank all the time despite enjoying it. >>586236453I’ll be on PvP, which is another major factor in wanting to try it out.
>>586230629>>586226257>>586235212PUMPING TO WHITEMANE
>>586236404I checked MoP and Era. MoP is exclusively PVE now so I guess I could have included that to BTFO you even more. Era is the only one where PvP is more popular, but Era just dead overall.I guess if we wanna include Hardcore and Retail than that's even more gamemodes dominated by PVE.
>>586236535It's already looking that way anon. See >>586234514
Wait a fucking second, they made it so that boomkins and feral 3% crit buff affects physical AND ranged? So now there is literally NO reason to ever bring a boomkin EVER?
>>586236535No, Aggrend already fucked up majorly saying rogue will be BiS single target. The community will hold him to the fire over that for years and years. They’re gonna have to keep it good now.
>>586236535Rogues aren't even BAD on retail they are just the most unfun thing imaginable to play.
>>586236474The 6 slot LW bag requires kodo leather, it's way too much effort compared to the Tailoring equivalent.>>586236538Then Rogue away dog.
>>586236587what if they do heckin strong and valid dps?or what if feral tanks and dps are dogshit?
>>586235769evercold will be good again
>>586236587every spec's DPS will be within 10% of the top specyou'll bring a boomie to fill a slot
>>586226257Whitemane's thoughts on cute blond human boys? Asking for a friend haha
>>586236587this is my tauren chicken's face when you ask them if they do raids
>>586236587They stack though.
>>586236587why do americans love meth so much?
>>586236619How’s the APM compared to Warrior though? I hear it’s a lot of energy pooling but I truly don’t know shit about rogue. PvP it’s definitely the better choice, but PvE matters too.
>>586236625>every spec's DPS will be within 10% of the top speclollmao
>>586236652its fucking awesome
>>586236587WILD GROWTH HAS A 3 SECOND CAST?!?!>>586236621>>586236625You obviously didn't play SoD because the fat retard has stated multiple times he believes casters should be lower DPS than melee and hybrids should be below casters in DPS. Boomkins are just RAPED
>Be Blizzard>Spend gazillion to shill Forever>Week before release the superior cheap mod of their game comes out that completely steals the thunderIt's genuinelly funny how first Dota, now this dungeon survivors game just cockblock Blizzard and make them lose their money big time.
>>586236587Yeah, worlo is saved
>>586236397>Fun rotationI hate this lie, because it comes straight out of retail, where the reality was with macros and add-ons even the so called fun rotations were just you spamming one buttonplease please please kill yourself, we beg youthe first thing that came to my mind was toweliee streaming mop and pounding his finger into his loud as fuck mechanical keyboard a thousand taps a second
>>586236695>superiorHey anon, do me a favor. Put on a tank spec and AFK. Let me know if you think a game that plays itself is still superior after.
>>586236672Rogue is the lowest APM class in the game, you're just an auto-attacker. Warrior is one of the highest, as Prot at least.
Druids got raped. MASSIVELY raped. the only viable spec for anything anymore is FERAL the GAYEST and most boring fucking specI hate blizzard so fucking much its UNREAL
>>586236695absolutely a missed opportunity but completely different audience
>>586236695Kek nobody expect turdies like you obsess over it since you can't afford a sub.
>>586236742Eh fuck it I’ll probably stick to Warrior then. I’ll suffer in PvP but it’ll be worth it since I can actually play the game. Thanks.
>>586236754resto is still very good instead of being broken OP
>>586236754i made this post
>>586236672In PVE you have Adren Rush on top of shit like Thistleleaf Tea, so you get your moments to pump. But for the most part you are just waiting for energy to Sinister Strike 3-5 times then either SnD or Eviscerate. You're an auto attacker in PVE, simple as.>>586236738>spellkek copingWhatever you say bwo.
>>586236812Very good at what? HoTS SUCK in classic healing because everybody is fully healed in 1 heal. their ONE niche was going to be potential clean up healing on burst AOE but that is gone entirely now
neegaar it’s ova
The time to load up the Disturbed playlist for the 3rd time draws ever near....
why do druids get 6 talent trees?>full balance>cat>bear>full resto>resto balance>balance resto
What happened to all the horizontal buzzword whiners?
>>586236849why? because it takes 2s longer to cast? hardly matters for cleanup/aoe healing especially if you know it's comingyou act like they removed the spell from the game but a 2s cast is not a big deal especially for an aoe hot that is not really a fast reactive heal
so what's the metademonology warlock?is human the best race? i only like to play human
>>586236895Dont ever listen to jews, and especially those talentless hacky kikes. Theres other nostalgia you can put on
>>586236849druids with full T2 for the 15 seconds rejuv were strong healers in classic and now hots are even better since they can crit. regrowth will have crazy output with its 50% crit and 27 seconds duration hot. and wild growth is still good at a 2.5s cast
>>586236923yeah bro the hype is going to be insane when the lvl 60 tourneys start, you cant beat warlock just look what happened in the beta
>>586236904We’ve given up hope and accepted we’re just getting the same shit as usual. Doesn’t make it okay that blizzard is just blatantly overpromising but, what can really be done at this point?
>>586236897>6 talent trees >1 raid spot
>>586236754Why go so... feral?
>>586236923>only like to play humanHuman male warrior brown hairAaraggornKeyboard turns
>>586236849They are now the MASTERS of over healingYou wanted slightly shorter GCD on just your HOTS? Too bad have LITERALLY NOTHING BUT PURE OVERHEALINGWHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH BLIZZARD MENTALLY>>586236914Longer cast time than chain heal and is a heal over time. 99% of any wild growth is going to be overhealing as they will just get RAPED by shaman healing>>586236982WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN? People brought druids for their buffs, druids were the WORST healing spec in T2
>>586236963God fucking damn it. I should have known.....
>>586237015who cares about raids, when they are gonna run rampant in my wpvp or bgs just casting HoTs
>>586236904They already retracted that statement saying they meant they will add leveling content not that there won't be any gear progression.Update your script, tranny.
>>586237065Thats the least you can find out about that kike, it goes deeper
>>586237036isn't arms warrior dogshit thoi want to 2h a sword and crit for beeg dmg
>>586236679melee can move and deal damage at the same time. with the way circles work. the further you are from the center the more you have to travel to achieve the same radial symmetry. so actually casters should always deal more damage.
its funny because they cut greenskins from the text, but lorna crowley still says Hands up greenskins!
>>586237105I argued with you fags for like a week about this, and I was right as always.
Druids are getting the shaft because BG honor was normalized and now they’ll just spend all of their free time farming WSG as the bis FC
>>586237129Aggrend has said multiple times melee should be the top DPS. It was his entire balancing philosophy in SoD which is why anybody pretending like warlock and hunter are going to stay as a top tier DPS are delusional
why cant druids cast hibernate on themselves to restore mana like evocation
>>586237180i know, i was just pointing out that he's stupid.
>>586237180Meanwhile, all 3 rogue specs are tied for worst with ele shaman
>>586237121So what next? Eurobeat? Or is that jewish too?
>>586237128whats dogshit about rng root and a ms?
>>586237229game is balanced around streamer pvp. sorry, not enough shilled streamers wanted to play rogue.
>>586237060that was only because hots didn't stack. druid healing was actually pretty competitive if played correctly
>>586237229Yeah, guarantee they will be buffed as soon as most people hit level 60 otherwise there would be nothing but rogues ganking people 24/7 on pvp servers
>>586237128But they can KNOCK YOU OFF YOUR MOUNT BWO!
>>586237260>jpg.jpg
>>586237128All 3 warrior specs look great and there will be much better and accessible weapon options throughout the entire gameArms only potential problem is rage starvation, but if thats the case brownies will cry to the high heavens and it'll get buffed again
>>586237260casters will never be as popular as melee dps
>>586237274It's competitive if all of your other healers are shit at their class. HoTs don't work in classic and never will, there is too much burst healing. At best they will only ever be a support healer but I have no idea why anybody would bring one over a shaman if they have a feral tank or DPS already
>we want to keep things as close to vanilla as possible>so we're turning the mc you all know and love into a mechanics-heavy retail version of itself! yeah! poopy rapey!
Warriors will be significantly stronger in PvP at 60 this go around. Screenshot this.
>>586237375I think prot will actually be viable
>>586237346most healers dont care about parsetrooningif it gets the job done it's finebut yeah obviously for parsetrooning you cant beat le chain heal spam
>>586237442In a serious guild they have to care because it’s the only way to make a case as to why they should get loot over another person.
>>586237231No, thats just gayYou want that powerful early 2000s nostalgiaAvenged SevenfoldDragonforce(undisputed cringe power metal kino)KornSlipknotEvanescense
>>586237365>make shit up>get angry over it
Will you be trying a different path for leveling this time around? Or are you going to do the same loop you've already done 20+ times before?
>but boomkins got a 5% DoT damage buff, surely that makes up for removing their only exclusive raid utility, right?
>>586237346druids will be gapping the other healers in raids, you'll see
>>586237375So if they have a pocket healer and that turns them into an even bigger godmode class than vanilla, you know that's going to cause a shit storm rightLook how assblasted people got because a few min/max raid groups stacked fury warriors lol those niggers are still traumatized over shit that never had a real effect on them in any way
>>586237521Probably mostly the same, except the sections I would normally grind, I'll try some of the new areas I guess.
>>586237521I’m going to install restedxp and completely and totally mentally disengage because questing is boring and I only care about raping hordeniggers and raid bosses at 60
>>586237521i'll be following the arrow
>>586235218CRUSADED
>>586236587>more class/spec homogenisationIt's hard not to doom and see this as retail minus
>>586237323everything is le viable???
>>586237365nobody actually likes molten core. i used to run vanilla raids at 70 and 80 every week. and mc was routinely the one people did not want to do despite thunderfury.
>>586237285are there players that roll rogue to do anything other than gank lowbies? are people really levelling rogues to do pve content?
>>586237561And yet blizzard has done absolutely nothing to impede Warrior. So, anyways…
>>586237561>you know that's going to cause a shit storm rightNo its not. Everyone expects Warriors to be a wrecking ball with a healer, every class is a wrecking ball with a healer. If warriors start soloing every class with >50% health left is when you'll start seeing people complain, rightfully so.
>>586237365>mc you all know and love>and loveIve done MC probably over a hundred times now and if I never had to do that same snoozefest Id be the happiest. New players wouldnt like it either.Its 90% trash mobs to get to a tanknspank boss that dies in less than a minute, except for the last 2, which are also boring as fuck after the 3rd kill.As long as they dont turn it into super retail with soaking bullshit, any change they do to it will be for the better
>>586235361>this is what college does to womenHoly shit
Mage will be the slowest leveler at launch.
>>586237625yeah I hope it's somehow not necessary to keep running every piece of shit every week in wowF
is rppvp going to be full of trannies
>>586237521joanas guide is all I need
>>586237365Hopefully they keep the SoM changes. Those made MC actually fun.
>>586237614For the most popular class? You betchaShammies though? Roujes? Maybe some other time
>>586237757You're going to want to because verticle progression means it'll all be the same ilvl gear, so you'll want as many chances to get loot drops as possible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntV6InYlxfUwhy even needing addons for UI?
>>586237774Let’s take a moment to understand statistical distribution. Currently, transgenders represent about 1% of the population. So, you can expect roughly 1% of the playerbase to be troons.
Druid nerfs have destroyed my hype for this game completelyI don't even understand it at allWhy is blizzard like this
>>586237521I always make it up as I go. In this case I will focus on dungeon quest chains, gathering professions, and not getting raped too much.
>>586237885>too muchSo you want to get raped a little bit, eh?
>>586237579>I only care about raping hordeniggers and raid bosses at 60based
>>586237859im no mathematician but theres got to be some smart person way of saying trannies enjoy vidya more than the average cunt, they are almost certainly disproportionately represented in wow
>>586237830(You)
>>586237475This discussion is about the cast time nerf though. By your logic the cast time nerf is meaningless because hots are useless.
I'm still stunlocked by whenever to go PvP or PvE.What ruleset stays alive the longest? It's PvP, right?
>>586237965Okay. Make it 3% on RP then. There isn’t enough troons to inflate the numbers to a degree that will be noticeable.
>>586237976No, I'm me. You're (You).
>roll rogue>your "rotation" is waiting for swing timers so you can double dip on sinister strike extra white swings and pressing slice n dice every now and again, if you wanted to press eviscerate think again as you'll be an expose armor bot>your pvp is waiting 10 minutes between each fight and just doing spreadsheet cc rotations with consumables/engi gear thrown in until the person falls over (and if you get even 1 single extra person attacking you, you need to become the sweatiest player to ever touch the game if you want to survive for more than 5 seconds)>your bgs are parking your ass on a flag for 20 minutesRogue is just cuck shit in Vanilla. It looks cool in clips when you can pop off with some fun things, like vanishing on a rogue for increased stealth while you switch to your cat's eye goggles to break their stealth first, or chain ccing multiple people, but those moments are few and far between and for each of those encounters you have you will spend quadruple the amount of time hiding stealthed in a corner waiting for all your CDs because you need to use all of them in every single fight.
>>586238004Just go PvP
>>586237859Except WoW forever players are a self selected group, not a random section of people from the general populace.
>>586238004these are megaservers, every one of them will have hundreds of thousands of players and millions at peak
>>586238004PvP has always and will always be more populated and active
>>586237995You don't think changing an instant cast AOE HOT to a 3 second cast AOE hot makes a difference?
>>586237924A little is fine.
>>586238037>swing timer on a rogue>sinister strike extra white swingsthis is what AIslop does to a motherfucker
>>586238048>>586238024
>>586238004dont be a retard fag and go PvP like a normal person
>>586238137Of course not. Hots are useless. Shamans will snipe it all with chain heal, then you get gkicked. At least if you're in a serious guild.
>have to give up useful talents to have reduced threat generation on balance nowwhat did blizzard mean by thiswhat possible could be their logic? balance will never do enough damage to need it anyway? why not just remove the talent entirely?
>wake up>druids nerfed>fotm niggers btfotransfurry sisters, /ourclass/ is saved!
>>586238224I see you are using hyperbole as a way to admit defeat. Concession accepted.
>>586238024Make it more, everyone in goldshire's either a guy pretending to be a girl or a guy playing a girl pretending to be futa because he doesn't know how to roleplay without a dick and just typing *thrusts inside you*
>>586238301personally i'm still looking forward to enjoying my journey on my moonkin druid :)
>>586238037i went rogue for beta to kill annoying streamers and getting into dungeon groups for gear was the most abysmal dogshit ever imaginable, NO ONE wanted a rogueafter a week or so i tried making my own groups and ppl STILL were refusing to join meim not exaggerating, rogue is borderline self harm
>druid fotm I’ll have whatever you guys are smoking shit sounds insanely potent
>>586238338
>>586238359hmmmmmm
>>586238338The problem is that you changed the topic because you couldn't continue, then pretended that was the original topic. Thus you open your asshole to my hyperbole. You yourself said hots are useless.
>>586238004if horde = PvPif alliance = PvEyoure gonna have a bad time as an alliance on PvP in a few monthsgood luck creating a horde charcter on PvP though
>>586238339Okay anon whatever. I think you’re overestimating the amount of troons that actually exist but if you want to allow them to live in your head rent free that’s your prerogative. I’m simply going to play with my 0 troon guild and not care. You should try something like that.
>>586238342>don't even get moonkin until 40I get it was a vanilla thing, but fucking hell if it feels horrible when furfaggots get to play their ERP forms sooner.
>>586237690there's a big difference between a warrior with a dedicated healer and every other class in the game
>>586238154Yes retard? I haven't looked at new talents, but combat swords was literally talenting into extra white swing proc on SS and pre-raid was thrash blade. You pool energy, hit SS as soon as your MH swing timer swings so you don't lose any time on your next natural swing in case you got the extra swing proc. That was all Rogue did in Vanilla pve.
>>586231442>i want the moral highground of saying im on the big boy server but also want to avoid being on the big boy server
There needs to be Personal Loot.
>>586238425You were replying to multiple people, retard. That other anon told you exactly why performance matters and you threw a tantrum and said that doesn't matter because... just because!
>>586238481>anon discovers sword spec (originally added in 2004)
>>586237690Warrior with healer is inane because you get rage from taking damage, you have no limitations on mana (for the warrior), you're tanky, and you have mortal strike.
>>586238498I will play on PvP, I'm just saying: I would prefer a real mega realm with warmode.
>>586238353Yeah it sucks. Dungeons need locked off bosses to make it viable to bring Rogues. Why would I, a Warrior/Paladin/Feral tank invite a Rogue who wants to roll on my swords or my high str/agi gear? Why would I want a Rogue who can't do AoE dps?
>>586237692Isnt it like this with all content? It differs a bit from person to person and sure mc was kinda one of tge weakest because it was slapped at release (because they needed some kind of endgame, it wasnt particulary thought over/engaging) and it was longest running raid, thus people got tired of it soonest.I remember that i got tired of running mc, onyxia, zg, bwl, aq, even fucking naxx, because after you manage to down every boss, how many times more do you want to do said raid? You dont want to do it, you just want loot.Thats why raidloging is kindda illness, people want to get a prize for working 2-3h while they have few% chance of actually geting anything out of it. Thats why its worse than working.Ive remember how players got disinterested with raids and at the end of the cycle it was more of a hassle for everyone beside some autist that wanted some rare drop like zg raptor of tf.
>>586238548I’d prefer if you stopped asking for something that is never coming and shitting up the entire thread in the process
>>586238512lul sure I amyou can't have it both ways, sorry
>>586238423>Source: reddit
>>586234514hybrid tax doko???
>>586238534Yeah cool but we are not playing classicFucking revenge does more dmg than MS
I CAN'T ENDURE THE WAIT ANYMORE! I WANT TO PLAY THIS WEEKEND!!REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>586238619No fuck you, have a (you) that is shitting up the thread even further.
>>586238530>agree with anon that rogues were all about sword spec in pve>but disagrees with anon that rogues were all about sword spec in pveThese niggers that Blizzard hired are terrible at their job
What if they rotate what raids are available weekly and/or seasonally?
>>586238632>no argument detected
Level boost in WoW Forever confirmed
>>586238423>reddit census dataOr we could use blizzard’s literal player data, which states paladin (especially undead) was far and away the most played class, and Druid was bottom 2.
>>586238747what would this accomplish
>>586238682Shut up anon. We basically got wrath prot and that was the best version of prot. Dont make a stink and take this away from me, asshole!
>>58623868225% attack power scaling on revenge has to be a mistake... that's better scaling than a 2H weapon instant attack
>>586238783It would annoy some people which sounds like something blizzard would want to do
>>586238423useless
>>586238548>the wartroon returns to be raped again
>>586238760>i trust my ai generated website, thanks
>>586238818Just need Devastate, manifest it with me bwo...
>>586238747>hit 60>benched for 4 months cause the raid with the gear that makes my class viable rotated outAny more horrible ideas you’d like to share?
>>586238747Might not be a bad idea, in a few years
>>586238818WoD Prot was the best version of Prot actually.
>>586238783it would mean i dont have to do MC every week with my guild to get bindings or equivalentI played on turtle and it was aids doing nearly everything every week because people needed whatever shit
Does Moonkin Aura and LotP stack now?
>>586238854>implying Reddit isn’t 80% botfarms
>>586238481I parsed 99 and never did thatyou have zero idea what you are talking about
>>586238935>>586238935>>586238935>>586238935>>586238935>>586238935Come trick or treat in here!
>>586238964Link logs
>>586238921You’re both retarded. MoP prot, specifically the SoO patch was the best version.
>>586234201Wtf, what extra costs?
>>586229927I got drunk and ordered Dominos pizzaI also got 1800 on priest, paladin and warlockI now have the farts, which indicates that I need to take a big stinky shit soon
>>586238978Way too early what the fuck
>>586237720More like drugs
>>586238615Its like that with everything in life, but at least BWL, AQ and Naxx have some requirement to keeep you awake here and there.MC is annoying trash, into more annoying trash, into shazrah and gehennas and Geddon and Golemag For me? Its the Tim Burton dungeon
>>586238154>>586238037>>586238353I'm maining rogue on a PVE server. I will be the only rogue in the raid and get all the gear.I will also top DPS in dungeons. Usually in TBC I was 40 to 50% of group DPS in dungeons. Because your spreadsheets and AI Sims don't account for 99% of players being dogshit.
>>586233193the massive managed failure of phase 2 classic (admittedly they made their first breach of #nochanges wisely and introduced BGs early because of it, but the damage was already done), and the lack of faction-queues on pvp realms is the fault of it.It shouldn't be allowed to go past 60-40~ or maybe 65-35% ratio, and no more than 1 layer max (ideally none), with the sole exceptions being the US+EU streamer servers. That would have fixed the entire problem, there would be a LOT of seething, but you would preserve the entire point of a pvp realm.Frankly im sad that asmon isn't rolling pvp this time, as he's taking all those potential players off of alliance pvp, and the total lack of alliance presence on pvp already is testament to it.
>raid team fell apart 5 days before launchi had it all. solid position, hanging out with the hottest dudes, clearing raid every week, now it's all gone
>>586239298Yeah MC sucks ass
>>586237862A druid slighted Aggrend once while he was playing paladin.Please understand, there is only room for one hero class in Forever.
>>586237529Isn't that innervate/battlerez?
>>586239317>Usually in TBC I was 40 to 50% of group DP->*pulls aggro and ACK*
>>586242695feral and resto both have those
