Business suit Goku edition!- Gekishin Squadra is getting a major overhaul- Xenoverse 3 announced- Xenoverse 2 final DLC is out- Dragon Ball Super: Beerus anime premiered- FighterZ new balance update is out• XENOVERSE 3 - TGS TRAILERhttps://youtu.be/XIAhLfXH64U• XENOVERSE 2 - FUTURE SAGA CH4 LAUNCH TRAILERhttps://youtu.be/DFWpzSFTJco• SPARKING ZERO - SUPER LIMIT BREAKING NEO DLC SHOWCASEhttps://youtu.be/-yVuL6K1oMI• GEKISHIN SQUADRA - SSGSS GOKUhttps://youtu.be/BeHCaK_T6cs• KAKAROT - DAIMA PT2 LAUNCH TRAILERhttps://youtu.be/ZY6OAh_7KYw>Useful links:https://rentry.org/dft79XV2 news:>Future Saga Chapter 4 is outSDBH News/Resources:>SDBH has ended...We are all Heroes! RIP 05/09/24>SDBH Database: https://www.carddass.com/dbh/sdbh_mm/cardlist/>Deck Autism: https://rentry.org/sdbhdecklistDBSDV news:>The 11th set has released>God Rares: SSB Goku, SSB Vegetto, Corrupted Zamasu, Beast Gohan, Orange Piccolo, Cell Max, Xeno Vegeta, SS3 Xeno Bardock>Reflect Break Cards: SSG Goku, Ultimate Gohan, SSR Trunks, Piccolo, Whis>Modes based on Goku Black and DBS Superhero arcs>2nd Anniversary soon>Card List: https://www.dbsdv.com/cardlist/?series=598010>HOW TO FIND YOUR XENOVERSE 2 SAVE ON STEAM guide:steam > userdata > [your steam id] > 323470 > remote > DBXV21DBXV2.sav should be there, which is your savefileIf you wish to delete it to try reimporting or for other reasons, disable steamcloud on both Xenoverse 1 and 2 first.Kakarot news:>Daima DLC Pt2 launched on January 15thThe Breakers news:>Season 9 launched with DBZ Broly Raider>XV Booru: Upload drawfaggotry herehttp://xenoverse.booru.org/Rest in Peace, Akira Toriyama (3/1/2024)Thank youLAST TIME ON /dbg/: >>585046603
>>585539348Our hero is so stylish.
>>585539348Suits are lame.
spanking female majins until I get punched
>>585539348https://youtu.be/R5GohlGg8AM
What the fuck is wrong with Salagir and rape
>>585544657
>>585544657Isn't he French?
>>585544829
>>585398126This is the first time in decades I'd seen people praise Kishimoto's horrible writing by putting down Toriyama's. Absolute lunacy.
>>585544886This isn't even Multiverse, it's one of the random comics they host on their site
>>585544657Why do they have discount domain expansions?>>585544829>>585544886That's just discount Viltrumite bullshit.
>>585544987I love how his entire complaint is some bullshit that's just wordplay he read in a writing course's textbook.
I hope xeno trunks has SSG in XV3
>>585529107that doesn't mean much when base goku and vegeta are only 1/50th as strong as in their super saiyan forms
>>585548896>Why do they have discount domain expansions?Because Babadi does it in Dragonball
https://youtu.be/l9yCm78pCb8Femku anon, I'm sorry, I wasn't familiar with your game.
>>585544987Toriyama at least waits for a sequel under a different name to undermine the core conceit of Goku's character. Naruto's "self made" bullshit is bullshit in Naruto.
>>585559780No... I don't want this, Goku is a man! Stop this!
>>585559004Not really, it's more that he has pre-planned arenas for his fighters
>>585559780This is so fucking gross. AIfags proving themselves to be actual fags, looking for excuses to lust after "female" Goku.
>>585559780Looks neat>>585559937Naruto was obviously the 4th's kid since chapter 1 honestly
Osu!
>>585560429Nice armpit
>>585559780This is incredibly cursed.Gohan-chan and Vegeta-chan are fine I guess, but the rest? Yeah, I can do without every other change to be entirely honest with you.
>>585560429Get the fuck out of here with your genderbend trash.
>>585559780>>585560429Based
>>585560587Don't reply to yourself.
waku waku!
>>585560651Ugly art. Stop spamming female Goku.
>XV3 has only 8 CaC slotsYou bastards! Soul Calibur gives you a hundred. At least give me 16
>>585560840Get enough people to complain about that and devs might add that change.
so do we know what the android race awakening is yet?
>>585560940You're a degenerate.
>>585559780>>585560429>>585560651>>585560940We don't want your kind here. Go back to the Harry Potter fandom where you crawled out from recently.
>>585556024Have you seen his design in the leaks? You'll be lucky if he turns SSJ2.
>>585560627Cope
>>585561470No I haven't seen the leaks
>>585561397This is by far the worst one you posted yet, worse than the AI slop you posted.
>>585560940>>585561397Cute
>>585561512There's no cope, only rope. Now stop spamming this gay shit.
>>585561554
>>585561767Lederhosen!?
>>585561760Cope
>>585561767Ohnononono... hahaha look at the top of his head!
>>585561805>>585561834You think this is a good look for you? Spamming this trash?
>>585561767last time Trunks wore glasses he was the CEO of CapCorp
>>585561805Our hero is so cute
GOKU IS A MAN, NOT A WOMAN
>strongest 2014 "netizen" vs weakest internet tradition
>>585544886Did they all use the same woman? Why would Raditz be allowed to reproduce.
>>585549004Are you the guy who said events don't need to follow from previous events?The other guy is retarded but you might be too.
>>585562478He's just baiting to get more posted
>>585559780AIKINO
>>585563393You need to take your meds and just go back to watching South Park's 50th billion Trump joke.
>>585563478>me when everybody who disagrees with me is litteraly one person
>>585563708>If I project what I just did, I'll stop looking retardedMeds. Now.
>>585563729So you are the guy who said events don't have to follow on from each-other. But not just that you also think it was invented by Matt Parker
>>585563839It's okay, anon, you were retarded and got laughed at on multiple threads. You can just go cut yourself while watching more Trump jokes, you don't have to do this whole schizo LARP where you invent people to feel better.
>>585563839>But not just that you also think it was invented by Matt ParkerYour stupid post quite literally said that and people called you a dumbass for it.
Why does the amount of American polictics in /dbg/ peak during 10pm-5am
Goku is cute but what about his nemesis?
>>585564051most 4channers go to bed at 6AM in whatever their local timezone is after staying up all night
>>585564021My post says no such thing. His post did. And then everyone made fun of him, but the anon in this thread chose to say events following from each other is just a way to do things, and now believes it has a political ideology.
>>585564051Because the sperg melting down is mad that DB isn't South Park and all South Spark has been for the last 3 years is Trump spam.
>>585564319>My post says no such thing.I understand you have to lie out of shame but we can all see this:>>585398126>on the "Therefore/But" method created by Trey Parker and Matt Stone who made South Park.
>>585564319>Someone mock you for your cartoon you worship being nothing but Trump nonsense every episode>This is ideological!What level of cope is that?
>>585564459Nice inspect element, faggot.
Cause and Effect pre-dates southpark by about... several milenia. In fact Cause and Effect predates Donald Trump, and isn't an entity that can vote or hold political beliefs.
>>585563405He can just ask for it like a normal person. He doesn't have to be weird about it.
>>585564636To be fair, baiting contrarianism is a proven method on 4chan.
>>585563405Judging by the amount of times Trump has suddenly been mentioned, I would guess he is really just a zoomer who started using the internet in 2014.
>>585564690Nah, the South Park superfan is a different dude from last thread.
>>585564119Vomit-inducing.>>585564636Your picture makes no sense. If Goku is a woman and Chichi is still a woman how could there be a Gohan? Illogical. Your gay fantasies have been debunked.
>>585564752I don't have any other genderbent Freeza, sorry.
>>585564896Thank god.
Less than 7 hours for MY BULMAAAAAA!
>>585565024Did they cut the bingo dance? If so I'm not watching
>>585559780"You should've died at birth"-Omni-Man, 2022
>>585565101do you REALLY want vegetable fans to go through another humiliation ritual?
>>585564657It's still very weird.>>585564752To quote Goku,>You can't just go decidin' a person's limits!
>>585565207Shut the fuck up. You don't get to use that for your gay fanficslop version of Goku. It doesn't apply to your "kind" you degenerate.
>>585544886>>585563095>The otters are all dressed in medieval clothers>Modern glass doorI keep noticing things. Get it out of here.>>585548896>That's just discount Viltrumite bullshit.Nappa suggested this decades before Omniman was a spark in the creators brain. That scene also suggests that the Sayians are going around raping because they are surprised by Sayian half breeds being possible with Earthlings, and this implies they have tried with other species and failed.
You really should calm down a bit, anon. Being this angry this late at night isn't healthy.
Toriyama wanted>Battle of Gods (Toriyama's classic message 'no matter how good you think you're at something, there'll always be someone who's better than you')>Resurrection F(Apparently when he heard the song “F” by Maximum the Hormone he went “of course, Freeza!” and hit on the idea of writing a story where the evil emperor Freeza was resurrected)>U6 >Zamasu / Goku Black (He was inspired by the fake version of heroes such as Ultra Man and Kamen Rider)>Tournament of Power >He created Beerus, Whis, Champa, Vados, Hit, Auta Magetta, Botamo, Frost, Cabba, Goku Black, Zamasu, Fused Zamasu, Caulifla, Kefla, Dyspo, Top, Jiren, Jaco, Monaka, Quitela, Helles, Belmod, Sidra and Korn, Broly, Cheelai >Super Hero manga Clean God and Saiyaman X (Chapters 101-104)Akio Iyoku wanted>Future Trunks in Super>Kale (Female Broly)>Broly (Akio Iyoku helped Toriyama write the story, it's confirmed that Akio Iyoku brought him the Broly script and Toriyama just hastily put it together with his own old DB Minus content)>Super Hero (Iyoku pushed for Gohan)>Daima (GT 30th Anniversary) was Akio's ideaToyotaro wanted>Super Saiyan God Goku vs Hit >Vegetto vs Fused Zamasu>Trunks realizes in Chapter 24 that he has healing powers>Moro>Merus>Granola>Ultra Ego >Heeters >Black Freeza
>>585564752>f Goku is a woman and Chichi is still a woman how could there be a Gohan?Turkey baster, also this is a setting with genetic fusion from non-sex cells, I doubt the ability to fuse eggs is beyond them.
>>585565198Yes and that one was good and funny.
>>585565198>vegetable fans to go through another humiliation ritual?
>>585565495It wasn't funny, it was embarrassing
>>585565465Oh wow the genderbend degenerate posting yurislop also posts Super Saiyan LGBTQku, how am I not surprised?>>585565489Shut the fuck up with your yuribaby fantasies. That doesn't make sense.
>>585565629It was a good character moment.
Is it true that they only remade Battle of Gods because 20th Century Fox co-owned the rights to the films?
Oh, sorry, I didn't realize that upsets you so much. Is this better?
>>585565763>"acting like a dumbass... is le good!"Dragon Ball should've ended at GT
>>585565659The egg is the complete sex cell, nothing needs to be added for it to become a sperm.Anyway again 20's computer can just create a baby from any two cells. Though Gohan would need to be female because there is no Y cell for him to have.
>>585565883fuck you you're not funny
>>585565907>Dragon Ball should've ended at GT>Dragon Ball should've ended at Kid Buu>Dragon Ball should've ended at Cell>Dragon Ball should've ended at Namek>Dragon Ball should've ended at 23rd Budokai >Dragon Ball should've ended at PilafWhy are you like this?
>>585565861distribution rights, Yes
>>585565994Makes sense to me.
>>585565907Having Vegeta put his pride aside is good, yes
>>585565198Yes because unlike what Trump Anon and South Park Anon would tell you, Vegeta's arc accross Dragonball is to be humbled.
>>585566364>Vegeta's arc accross Dragonball is to be humbled.
>>585565994>>585566182Do you feel proud of yourself, samefagging so blatantly to pretend that this gay shit is logical? Justifying this fetish of yours of turning men into women? You can't even have the decency to want your female Goku slop to get dicked normally, you have to justify yuribaby nonsense. You're a sad person.
>>585566521>Smugly ignores Buu to fight Goku >Wins against a Goku that is holding back with a cheap shot to the back of the head>Loses so hard to Buu he kills himselfYes actually
You've been arguing with like 3 or 4 different people, anon. Calm down a little bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb9XJCt8r2MI told you, it's time to return
>>585566986>10 years of Xenoverse 2>maybe morei want to get off mr. dimps' wild ride
>>585566941It's been you and you alone, phoneposting at most.
>>585566674You know, thinking about it, how is it that Bardock and his crew were smart enough to non verbally signal to each other to shut off their scouters when they wanted to have private talks while Radtiz, Vegeta and Nappa were not? The only time they actually thought about it is when Vegeta verbally told Nappa to turn his scouter off while they were heading towards Earth to discuss their plans for the dragonballs, you'd think he'd realize before this that if he knew about it that Freiza would know as well because Freiza spies on every single one of his soldiers and that's the secondary reason they wear those things, notice how Cui isn't wearing his when talking to Vegeta here? I can't really blame Piccolo for blabbing about the dragonballs to Radtiz he had no idea that scouter was bugged.Huh, Goku is now in pocession of Bardock's old scouter, it'd damaged and outdated but it's previous recording is till there, which means it's in a fixable state espescially by Bulma who fixed up radtiz scouter so they could read it, she probably still has the thing in storage somewhere I thought about the idea of Freiza spying on earth through those scouters since
>>585566986Who the hell asked for shirtless gt goku costume?
>>585566056I never said that, DBS ruined everything through flanderization and uninspired power-ups
>>585568498The flashback sequence with King Yemma telling Vegeta of the second chance he could have against Buu as he explains how it happens to Fortuneteller Baba in the present is exclusive to the anime.
>>585566986>>585567075I told you all, the delay is for XV2's next DLC
>>585568617
>>585569149
>>585568617>>585568498>>585569873>>585569149Man, if those subtitles are accurate the Japanese dialogue is WAY worse in this scene
>>585569873You think he's the most powerful being in the universe, and maybe he is. But just like you, he does not have true pride! I don't expect you to understand. Not you Kakarot! I sent myself into a cold oblivion and I did it on a lie! The Saiyan prince will not fall again!
>>585570196There are three dubs. Original dub, Remastered dub, and Kai dub. Also Ocean in Canada.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRJ_UJ6ZXY4
>>585570448 "I know all about your Super Saiyan 3; you hid it from me during our battle."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SesWj-vVBaY
>>585567896he has it in game already in some parallel quest missions this is just them making it a preset for you just like Bardock's xeno armor, Future Trunks wearing the saiyan armor, they'll probably make super saiyan rage trunks avavliable for play here as well, he's only in 1 part of the zamasu arc on screen, I'm curiuos if they'll make 2nd form Cell playable since he's an opponent in the breakers collab event and in the breakers collab special raid, he has no unique moves thosadly it does not seem like we have more unique customize costumes We just have jane 1000 and john 1000 wigs
Come on taipon costume return
>>585567896meshould be bottomless too
Krillin was a huge cuck and his wife had to search for satisfaction from someone else while he wasn't around.
>>585571112Maybe we'll finally get that playable SSRage Trunks preset and Semi-Perfect Cell that are already in the game too
>>585567329>The only time they actually thought about it is when Vegeta verbally told Nappa to turn his scouter off while they were heading towards Earth to discuss their plans for the dragonballs,Are you sure that isn't anime only
Shonen Jump #21-22 (May 1991)Chapter 323Toriyama was already working on Cooler's Revenge before Goku defeated Freeza
>>585576772I would love the entire manga colored like this. In the half color style is cool too. maybe someone can have ai assist them
We have Fem-ku, but what about Boy-ma (or maybe Bull-ma)?It's not gay if the rule 63 applies to everyone
2 hours for the worst character in DBS to appear again
>>585559937>Naruto's "self made" bullshit is bullshit in NarutoHonestly even if it wasn't for that very popular low hanging fruit criticism we all have for Kishimoto, Kishimoto's writing is horrendous. I'm not exaggerating when I say he makes Toriyama not just look good but like fucking Shakespeare.
>>585586391It's not just low hanging fruit, it's indicative. Unlike Goku's premise, Naruto constantly references Naruto's premise. He completely failed the main character who the story is named for and just kept trying to blance pay-offs on it till Kaguya showed up. Even if he nailed the rest of the story, which I don't think somebody who fucked up this bad could, it would still be shit.
>>585565861Pretty much. Thanks to DB Evolution, Fox was owed the next 3 Dragon Ball movies, live-action or otherwise, and since they don't want to compete against a cut up TV version of those films, Toei had to start from scratch. Funnily enough, Super Hero's the only movie Toei could cut up, but given its CGI, its inevitable that if they do retell it, they'll have to start from scratch again.
>>585587698I think it's not entirely true because Naruto is still more about being ostracized and social determinism (+ connections) rather than just "muh hard work". Kishimoto himself tries to address the chosen one thing by saying "even having good parents you might not have inherited any of their skills", which is partly true (Naruto used to suck dick). It's still a bit of an issue but I think there's a lot worse going on, on a chapter to chapter basis you can see just how flawed and empty it is.
it appears i missed something funny
am I reaching if I say that them allowing you to put Bossu's acrylic stand in your room in XV3 and having her look the same, hints at the White Haired Kai not being a redesign for the sake of it, or even not being her at all?
>>585587912Naruto learned the Shadow Clone Jutsu thanks to having the chakra boost from the 1/2lf value 1/3rd of the Nine Tails he had because his father gave it to him.Naruto learned the Summoning Jutsu and Rasengan from Jiryha, who only trained Naruto because of who his parents wereNaruto only learned Sage Mode because of his connections to Jiryha, and Naruto only learned the Rasensuriken because he knew the shadow clone Jutsu.
>>585589520My assumption until proven otherwise is that Chronoa and Xeno Trunks are "undercover" with the shittiest disguises conceivable, and she literally just dyed her hair
>>585589520i think it means little given they're literally just the XV2 models, not even a "it's them but how they look in XV3"
>>585589520i'd like to agree, but it being part of an XV2 collab using the XV2 models makes it feel less like it means anything about current chronoa and more about keeping the characters XV2 accurate (in the lazy way of just putting in pngs of the models)
>>585589604Like I said it's not perfect and there are obviously issues here but it's not as important as a lot of other more pressing problems. Chosen one or not can be ignored, the moment to moment writing being underwhelming at best and horrible at worst cannot
>>585589520>coliseum figurinesFUCK OFF BULMA
>>585589520XV3 showed off shirts your CaC can wear. One of them had Krillin with the Toei flesh-colored sclera because it was a screenshot from OG Dragon Ball. It's probably the same with Chronoa. She has her Bandai design there for the XV2 memorabilia because its a render from XV2. It's that simple.
>>585590090you will never escapeso, are any of you going to wear the John and Jane wigs? I won't because wigs no longer interest me I'm instead hoping that we have at least 10 or 8 new custom costumes, I really want Caulifla's pants, the gammas, Hedo and Pan's skirt to be customizable
>>585590090PEOPLE OF CONTON CITY
>>585589915>I failed to mention the chosen one part among the rest of the thingsLolIt's the crux of basically every arc climax, I keep getting my attention drawn to it by the story, I can't ignore it. This isn't Attack on Titan where I can close my eyes and pretend Eren doesn't have the same powerset as the God of Abraham, so the entire story is retarded and pointless.I couldn't make it past the Chunin exam last time I tried to get through Naruto. So I guess it is empty but that's not something concrete I can keep with me and impart to others with confidence.
>>585590994Not really, like I said the story is still mostly about social stuff more than "are you the chosen one or not". The whole "you don't know muh fate" is more of a chunin exam thing and it's less about "I'm not the chosen one I'll just make it happen because I'll work hard" and more about "you can't decide other people's fates and you don't even know it".You might still think it's awful and doesn't get a pass, but this manga is a lot worse in a lot of other areas that are less easy to put in concise words.
Word on the grapevine is that episode 3 is really, really bad. I was sorta expecting it to be, but damn.
>>585596193I generally feel like this remake will have problem with humor centric episodes. It's really trying to be all aura and hype.
Watching it raw right now. Yeah, this episode sucks. It's so bad that I'm ranking this version of BoG right next to the manga's, below the movie and OG anime.
stroking my meat to offmodel panzy again
>>585598920as one does
>>585598920kill yourself epstein
wait did they change the jap VA for vegeta?he sounds different
>>585604678It uses recycled voice clips from the original DBS anime, so it's just him about a decade younger.
>>585598920i better not catch you stroking your shit to d-art's panzy, i'll know
>>585591960>Not really, like I said the story is still mostly about social stuffYeah like how Naruto says to Neji that his family shouldn't define him, only for Naruto to beat Neji using a power Naruto *only* has because of who his parents are? And then wins every fight he ever has after that using techniques he only has because of who his parents are.Now this is almost true of Goku too, basically everything Goku gets is because he is Son Gohan's kid or biologically a Sayian. But he doesn't larp as though he had no support.
So what version of Super should I be experiencing
Yeah if Gohan fights Pui Pui or Yakon the entire Buu saga gets canceled, and Buu just stays in the Egg. That's so weird
>>585596193as expected the art and animation is leagues above the original version, but the directing is a lateral at best. about the only improvement they've done is focus on Vegeta's perspective during the party, so the silliness is a backdrop to his fear rather than him looking like a clown trying to suck up to Beerus whilst everyone else is having fun. I really did not like the implications of his fight with Beerus, he has a better showing there in 2 than Goku does in 3 which fucks with the power scaling something bad. they should've had him use his version of 3 from Daima, they wouldn't've needed to change any lines. another problem is the extreme compression of the plot, so you go from Vegeta being scared of Beerus to his freakout over Beerus slapping Bulma to him determinedly sitting on the sidelines waiting for the outcome of the roshambo match in the span of about 3 minutes. it's really jarring.
>>585606676someone will probably come along and splice the fight scenes from this remake with the plot from the movies. that'll probably be the definitive version. until then, just watch the movies. the TV runs of the Beerus and Golden Frieza arcs are absolutely horrid.
>>585606483>Yeah like how Naruto says to Neji that his family shouldn't define him, only for Naruto to beat Neji using a power Naruto *only* has because of who his parents are? And then wins every fight he ever has after that using techniques he only has because of who his parents are.That fight is particularly funny because Neji fully believes that only someone from an amazing bloodline can become great because they're born better, and the whole point of it is that he's wrong because Naruto has to work hard... Only Naruto couldn't win without Kurama, Naruto is the son of a clan that descends from the Sage of Six Paths, son of a hokage, chakra reincarnation of one of Sage's sons where he's destined to start out weak but get allies and become strong, and a chosen one with the whole Pain business. So Neji was completely right, he was just wrong about Naruto because he wasn't aware of Naruto's godly lineage.
Mai-chan is so cute, and because she is technically an adult it wouldn't even count as child molestation
>>585606676There is no definitive version of Super. For now, watch episode 1-2 of OG Super, watch the Battle of Gods movie, watch episodes 15-18 of OG Super, watch the Resurrection of F movie, continue on from OG Super episode 28.The RoF movie/arc is so bad, I actually think Super Beerus has a chance of improving it, but with episode 3 of Beerus bulldozing over content from the movie, there's no way the new version of RoF will keep the good stuff and connective tissue from episodes 16-18 of OG.
Ass remakeAssverse 3Iyoku go awai
>>585607560>the art and animation is leagues above the original versionNot a fan of the dilluted color palette though. They're pretending that DBS is edgy now for no reason at all.
>>585589029ningen...
>>585590090>>585590807
They kept Vegeta's moaning, the slow start to his fight with Beerus and the Oolong stuff but couldn't spare any of that time for the party or explaining how the Pilaf gang became kids?
>>585613451They're completely unaware that fans of DB love a good mixture of humor and action, and not just one or the other.All they had to do was reanimate the bad parts and improve the pace, and not cut everything that's supposed to make you laugh.
>>585609037>>585607786Why shouldn't I be reading the manga like I did with DB
>>585614045Manga BoG is a speedrun of its plot and is worse for it, and there's no completed RoF arc (As RoF adaptation ends before Freeza goes Golden).
>>585614045Super's an anime original series. Initially, the manga was just promotional material for the show. As such, it blitzes through the early arcs and skips one outright. The 4th arc is when it starts trying to be a proper manga, and even then it skips even more material later on and just tells you to watch one of the animated movies to fill in gaps. Mind you, the anime and manga deviate from each other quite a bit, so it can be up in the air what it considers from the anime/movies to be canon to it.
>>585613936they're "unaware" cause the loudest tards don't agree with what you just said, which are also the same tards that want Goku to dismember the villains and shit when they fight. And by virtue of being the loudest tards, that's what gets to their ears
>>585615992>also the same tards that want Goku to dismember the villains and shit when they fight>I hate the Piccolo Sr. Saga
The Vegetafags who've been whining about bingo since 2013 finally won, I guess.
>>585617181>Super but completely soullessDBS:Beerus was a mistake
>>585617181the old anime version was also bad, the movie is the best version, they got it right the first time and they keep remaking it, if they wanted to make it better they just had to redraw all the 3D parts in the fight between Beerus and Goku, and then sell it as bluray, but instead we got years of inferior versions
>>585616146>>585615992Also Goku intentionally blows up Yakon, in a similar manner to how Evil Buu blew up that rich guy.(Non-full body) Dismemberments are pretty rare in DB in general, Goku gets about as many as anyone.Villians that die leaving an on screen body is already pretty rare, but people with substantial damage done is even rarer, and especially if we don't count things that regenerate, or things that don't have blood.
>>585617723>>585616146>>585615992I do not even know if the argument is that Goku wouldn't dismember somebody or that the audience shouldn't be allowed to see it happen. Either way it is wrong.
>>585618789the argument is people looking at pic related and thinking that's what DB is supposed to be like
>>585619921>no dood this totally always happened in DBZ!! Here's this one time Gero did it, clearly it means Goku would also do it!!
>>585619921Vegeta did something similar to 19, and I do believe that is the only example of a body part being pulled off. And I don't think Goku would do that or your pic.But Goku would break somebody's head off because he did it to Drum.And of course the vibes of this art is very diffrent from how any action in portrayed in DB.
>>585619921Essence...
>>585621335Kek
>>585560024>>585560261>>585561356>>585565123>tourists
>>585606483Except Naruto said something along the lines of "you can't tell what fate is just like that even with those eyes of yours". And he was right, because Naruto had pretty crazy amounts of karmic weight on him while Neji was telling him he was just a sucker. So this is not even that inconsistent here.
10 damn years of patrolling
>>585617181This remake really does feel like it was made for that strain of western social media tards that can't handle the characters being goofy or doing anything but fighting
>>585621823Did they remove the Pilaf gang
>>58562178910 years of faking SKoT's cooking tastes great, 10 years in a relationship with Towa, 10 years of beating Saibamen to a pulp, 10 years of getting drunk at the TP Christmas party
>>585598920
>>585621053>A British flashback about whatever the fuck saiyans were doing in Bardock's universe>Yet another flashback of Salagir's Reddit villainExciting...
>>585621823If you ever go looking at JP tweets, they have the exact same kinda folks there. They just tend to be more "Vegeta-san was really cool this time around, wasn't he? I'm glad he didn't have to show a shameful side to Beerus." than "Bruh, finally, they fixed that shit. They were BITCHING my man Vegeta fr. Get that pussy shit outta here!" Same thing, less aggressive (most of the time).
>>585598920Based
>>585617181God, this is so lame
>>585621823Because it does.>>585623886>Japanese totally agree with us because I found one shittty replyNo
>>585622908https://litter.catbox.moe/5e36ru988gnfkedm.png
I'm a happy cuck! I'm a happy cuck!
>>585624895The fucks going on here
>>585624895Should have been Pan
>>585617181I thought the Japanese loved the bingo dance, I see it quite a few times in Broly MADs
>>585566986>>585567075>lollmao even
>>585624895https://youtu.be/tknW9fRKKxg?is=RSF2IShhronIwhGp
>>585624887>>Japanese totally agree with us because I found one shittty reply>NoMankind worked so hard to pass litteracy to futures generations only for you to do this with that gift.
>>585624887There's plenty of Japanese people saying stupid stuff like that guy. My point was no side of the fandom's a monolith. There's fight, fight, fight-obsessed idiots everywhere. Have you seen the modern state of battle shounen?
This episode had schizophrenic pacing
https://x.com/AnimeAjay/status/2114381606970675384Looks like Toei had the balls and actually replaced this sex pest, unlike Bandai who keeps putting his seiyuu as Amuro because of the "legendary status"
>>585566986Fucccccck one last time it isLet's get to it Xenobros
>>585568323>HURRR YO SON GOKU IS FRENS BAD BECAUSE TORIYAMA LIKES CELL-SAGA VEGETA Just say you hate Toriyama so we can laugh you out of the general.
>>585625295>How dare you read properly!Cry more, shitskin>>585625261Why are you brown?
>>585624895Why is Gogeta like this?
>>585625564I had brought this up with friends before, but it really does highlight that Chichi, and by extension her kids, really do look better with the bangs because the art always gives them really big foreheads with sharp hairlines. Gohan in GT and Super both suffer from the distracting fivehead that Buu and Super Chichi has. It doesn't quite hurt GT Goten as much, but even then Superhero and EoZ Goten look better.
>>585625132Japanese fandom simply has people who are like the western side as well. I remember Herms from Kanzenshuu overhearing Japanese people complaining about DBS Broly because it lacked tension, and he said the fans are the same everywhere. Question is how many of those people are in the fanbase, whether they're a loud minority or not.
>>585625691But he got replaced in Sparking Zero's later DLC.
>>58562178910 years of you never putting on any damn pants!
>>585626601>>585626784Why are you a pedophile?
>>585627142That's the issue, they haven't done it entirely.
>>585607443So then that just simplifies the what if to be the same as "what if Vegeta got his 1v1 with Goku, like he wanted. Which can be broken down into four subcategories, none of which I even know what to do with.
>>585617723>>585618789It's odd that people consider Goku to be this kind of sadist at all considering his fights.Strictly looking at just when he got his "morality" (which would be post-Kami's training, there is a real shift in how he fights after that point), he>23rd Tenkaichi BudokaiLargely doesn't overly harm anyone until Piccolo, and Goku came out looking way worse than him despite winning.>Saiyajin ArcSelf-sacrificed to kill Raditz and crippled Nappa, but both were done out of necessity. He could only stop them in those ways. >Freeza ArcHe just takes out the Ginyu Force in a pretty basic way, the most "sadistic" he gets is with Ginyu, and that's, again, necessity. He needs to stop him from being able to cause harm.Freeza he's kind of schizophrenic on, but he ultimately never brutalizes him and tries to leave multiple times once it's clear he won.>Cell ArcHe loses all two fights he has in this arc, so...>Boo ArcAside from Yakon, he's just having a good time, and Yakon's death isn't him torturing the guy like in this >>585619921, it's just meant to be kind of silly.The Boo fights are just him having fun.
>>585627262>he isn't Begone, fool.
>>585559780Kwab
I need to breakout at being level 95
>>585627262Twitter is that way, brownoid
>>585589029>>585612593>>585621641Do you think your parents are proud of you? Posting this slop unendingly?>>585627262And of course letting those freaks in means the twitterfag "eww pedos" like you think they're welcome here.>>585628408Thank god that shit got expunged.
>all of my enemies are the same personlmao
>>585627989>Strictly looking at just when he got his "morality" (which would be post-Kami's training, there is a real shift in how he fights after that point), heYou lost me at the first hurdle. Goku tries to vegeta Tao, it is only through Tao's own actions that Tao does not survive akin to Frieza.>It's odd that people consider Goku to be this kind of sadistI never called him this, and litteraly said that >>585619921 is out of character.Goku doesn't torture Piccolo Daimo or any of his children, he dismembers Drum and Senior himself, but this isn't out of sadistic desire to inflict pain, but simply because Daimo left him no other choice and Drum was weak and a threat to Tien.I think Goku wouldn't even kill Tambourine if Tambourine begged for mercy instead trying to cheap shot Goku
Vados is lucky I ain't behind allat.
>>585631681The tsundere gimmick is getting old.
>OClmfaotake your meds buddy
Man, the DBS Beerus version of 'MY BULMA!' is trying way too hard, the constant effects and overdone auras feels like I'm watching One Piece or JJK.
...So, bets on this guy just being a bored troll, a /dbs/ refugee that got banned from /a/ recently, or an actual poorly medicated schizo that really believes what he's posting?
>>585630694>the twitterfag "eww pedos" like you think they're welcome hereWhere do you think you are, newfag?
Watch out anon, a Female Goku... from the games!
you know what's worse than a wannabe janny? a guy who doesn't even pretend he's a janny, he just keeps on replying to every post he doesn't like bitching about themand somehow, we have two of them
>>585631681>SelfshipsYeah? Why wouldn't you, unless you were a cuck
They redrew...Android 18's ass...
>>585633125GT animators wanted to fuck Pan so bad. It's no wonder Nakatsuru was afraid of her sexyness.
>deleted
>>585634743To make it flatter at that
>>585634726Women (or rather "women") like you should be shamed for your behavior, not encouraged.>>585634760Based.
Are you going to miss Boss (forma de booba)?
>>585635479Bossu...
>Those disgusting troons imagining themselves having sex>Me, a real Patrick Basedman, imagine other men having sex with the children I am attracted to
>>585635479No. Flatter is better.
>>585633125why'd you edit out the condom?
>>585635568Weird cope, Twittertranny
>>585635668Because it belonged to Vegeta first.
>>585635668Pan doesn't use condoms
>>585633396This is as female Goku as Linkle is female Link
>>585636365Yes, and?
>>585636489It's not female Goku, that's the point.Same with Sachie-chan
>>585635568You forgot the gigachad image
>>585636657I don't think it matters to that one anon, honestly.
>>585636979And you only even pretend to care about this character because you want to have sex with "female Goku"Also stop samefagging a conversation with yourself, it's too obvious
I remember the conversation about how it was bad that H. Typhlosion was a pedophile pokemon, while it was fine for Hypno and Driftlim because they are "bad guy" Pokemon, whatever that means.
>>585637318Go be a furry elsewhere.
>>585637415No
>>585627996>>585629785>>585630694Lolicons aren't welcomed in Dragon Ball
>>585637605Falseflag or retarded call it.
>>585565480Toyotaro said Merus is a Toriyama's character. So are the Heeta clan. They all were designed by Toyotaro himself, but the characters are originally Toriyama's idea.
>>585637220You're REALLY telling on yourself now anon.
>>585631192>Goku tries to vegeta Tao,Tao just kind of rushes that whole idea in the fight. Goku barely has time to react to anything happening before Tao tries to kill him and Upa.He was probably just gonna kill Tao like how he killed most other people from the first arc up to Piccolo Daimao. I think if someone did stop and beg for their life he might think about it, but this Goku largely seemed to not consider life and death that much until the end of the Piccolo Daimao arc going into the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai arc.
>>585635647based
>>585637714Tao Pai Pai killed general blue for preying on a minor, LARPER
>>585559780>>585628408https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phqJPMYCzwwNew Version
>>585559780caulifla?
>>585637605>Toriyama isn't welcomed in the thing he madeLol. Lmao
>>585639232Delete this shit right now.
>>585639401
>>585637605Toriyama was one of us though
>>585639180Based>>585639226My god, they really removed all the soul.
>>585639401>>585639537Further proof that Super brought these faggots into Dragon Ball.
>>585639652True, GTchads win again
>>585639180>>585639747Who the fuck actually wants this kind of garbage?
>>585639747Oh, very nice
>>585639180>>585639747Fem Tao should be a femme fatale cougar.
>>585639872why are you having a melty
>>585639706The only other sensible anon here, thank god
>>585639652>Noooooo stop posting women and lolis pleaaaaase!!Seethe brownoid
>>585640396Lolis are based, women are fine, genderbend slop is degenerate and Super welcomed your disgusting ilk into this fanbase.
>Dragon Ball Super: Beerus will be the TRVE version of the work, as envisioned by Akira ToriyamaLMAOOOOOO
>>585640138>>585640617>>585641346Can you fucking stop
>>585638739>Tao just kind of rushes that whole idea in the fight. Goku barely has time to react to anything happening before Tao tries to kill him and Upa.>He was probably just gonna kill TaoOkay so the anime, official translation and fanslation all disagree entirely on what Goku said and what I based my argument off, so I'd just call that a wash.>but this Goku largely seemed to not consider life and death that much until the end of the Piccolo DaimaoGoku was pretty concerned about killing Sargeant Metalo, and of course, he cared about the lives of the villagers around Muscle tower... of course Goku intentionally and deliberately kills many people in the Red Ribbon Army, but that's consistent with what Goku says to Ginyu and what is repeated several times after, Goku values Ginyu's life highly because Ginyu is a strong warrior, same reason Goku doesn't kill Recoom, Jeice and Burter, because their 40k PLs aren't nothing to him yet. Toriyama never spells out the flipside but if you care more about the lives of the strong, you care less about the lives of the weak, ie normal red ribbon members and Yakon, Goku is just around less trash after the Red Ribbon Saga so doesn't show it off as often.Goku DEFINITELY doesn't take a large moral issue with killing even after training with Kami. Several members of Dragonteam kill people right in front of him when he is strong enough to stop it. The only time he objects is for Vegeta, but he explicitly says he is doing it so he can fight a strong guy. Goku also threatens to kill East Kaioshin, and I don't know why you think he wouldn't.
So just in case anyone here was still in denial about them animating Gas and Granolah after Moro, here's the new angry Vegeta focused on destroying Beerus, just an episode after Goku's body reacted on its own to avoid Beerus.https://x.com/Z3RO_GRAVITY_/status/2114384442617651376
>>585641540Just report for spam
>>585640138>>585640617>>585641346I really like Femhan conceptually. I kind of want to do a DB fanfic rewrite with a female Gohan, but I imagine it'd be pretty boring or skip most of DBZ.Mainly just >Future Femhan / Future Trunks during the TV special>Present Femhan / Future Trunks during the Cell Arc>Present Femhan / Present Trunks during the Boo Arc
>>585641730Sorry but Geekdom said this wasn't foreshadowing
>>585641730fucking everything in the new anime is purple nigga
>>585641540>>585641743Stop crying like a faggot.
November 4, 2026Naho Ooishi draws Goku and Beerus
>>585641730>just an episode after Goku's body reacted on its own to avoid Beerus.He did that in the original anime too, it's not foreshadowing anything from the manga.
>>585642073Wow, looks great. She should replace Toyotaro.>>585642168People really forget Goku's been doing shit like that since OG DB
>>585639483All those things are called a trope and didn't age wellLolicons call children "lolis" and "shotas" and don't stop mentioning how they get them hard
>>585642925>The sexualized depictions of minors I made aren't supposed to turn pedophiles onBrother.
>>585642925>It didn't age wellToriyama disagreed, cry about it.
>>585641814>but my obese boyfriend on the internet thinksWho the fuck asked
>>585639483Of course not he wouldn't fit in the pages retard.
>>585643179Bet you feel silly right now.
>>585642168>from the mangaAnon UI was in the old anime and more importantly RoF, that's where that comes fromEpisode 2 keeps the UI foreshadowing because UI was already introduced in a movie, episode 3 is modified to add UE foreshadowing because UE was already introduced in the manga, this should be easy to understand if you have the right amount of chromosomes
>>585643691So how does this prove we're getting animated Gas and Granolah like you said again
>okay I can concede they are already hinting at UE a form from the same arc where Granolah and Gas but I don't see how it means we are getting Granolah and Gas can you explainLow quality shitpost
>>585643029nigga they were jokes, not saying I support it, but it's not the focus of the series
>>585644505>The kid being in a Bikini armor was just a jokeOr it was because it was hot and Toriyama was an horny dude.
>>585644450You lose
>>585644505A joke built on how sexy a child was, and it was the focus of the series at the time of the Pilaf Saga.
>>585644450>UEWe're talking about UI which is what you posted here >>585641730
Imagine not reading the entire first saga of a manga, and then crying about how your favorite creator doesn't have a fetish you find uncomfy. What's up with all the melties over fetishes recently.
>>585643691It's the same scene anon, down to Goku attacking, retreating, and Beerus explaining he was actually going to attack, with the only changes being the camera angle. It's not foreshadowing the manga's later arcs because Toei simply re-animated a scene they already had written.
I failed to include it but it is so funny to try and portray drawn pedophile porn as a western invention artifically applies to eastern media.
This is why we shouldn't allow genderbend loving freaks in this fanbase
>>585646119Looking at 2010s /co/ garbage, like Adventure Time, you're right
>>585645541>it's the same anonYes? Read the post again before replying this time. Slowly.
Yes, yes, rule 63 opposes Trump, and you are very clever, and a net postive to this Dragonball discussion
>>585646604Go back to Twitter, loli hater
>>585645045>>585645541>reading comprehensionNobody is saying the scene from ep2 is a reference to manga UI specifically dumbasses, just UI
Fem!Goku is a loli
>>585647110>Nobody is saying the scene from ep2 is a reference to manga UI specifically dumbasses, just UIThat's retarded, Goku wasn't even training for UI yet.That's just Goku doing what Goku always did and predicting his opponent's moves.
Why would a loli hater go to X when AI generated porn of real children is permissible there?
>>585647390It's just the dude melting down about rule 63 trying to mix up the fem!Goku poster and the dude crying about loli so people get on his side.
>>585647390Same reason bluesky retards threaten to leave X for it and never done so.Now go back to X
>>585647475Actually your him. And I'm him. And everybody but Trump is the enemy, samefagging.
>>585647290>Goku didn't train to act on instinct yet that's just Goku acting on instinct he always does thatYou may be challenged
>>585647154You haven't posted any loli, faker
Best Loli is Cymbal
>>585647290>predicting his opponent's moves.That's not even what happened with Beerus, his body moved on its own
>>585648697>>585649378>UI is just the same as normal instinctKill yourself
>This scene in BoG is foreshadowing Gas and Granolha>This scene is something Goku always doesRetards all of you.
>>585648816nta but >>585560651 was posted by another anon
>>585649660>You are retarded for not accepting my headcanonFuck off
>>585649660>This scene is something Goku always doesYes, he does, ever since he trained with Korin, tourist faggot.
I can't be the only one that thinks DBS Beerus looks like dogshit right
>>585650505Show me one time Goku gets scared to attack somebody
>>585650763>UI make you scared of attackingYour headcanon get worse by the second
>>585650592In many ways it looks better but in many ways it looks tryhard as fuck, not like dragon ball and remove all the fun moments.Like I have no idea how the Dino Caveman's aura isn't getting mocked to hell and back. The internet really got ruined by third worlders.
>>585649514Nobody said that but if you like being illiterate you be you
>>585651026>I didn't say anything that support the thing I'm claiming ashktuallyCool so you admit you were wrong.
>>585650856So SSJ3 Goku isn't using UI, because being scared isn't UI?
kys luigi
>>585647110and how does Goku using UI prove we're getting animated Gas and Granolah like you said here >>585641730
>>585651190>Now the headcanon is Goku was using SSJ3 UIHow retarded are you?
>>585651197/dbs/ is that way, melting faggot.
Goku could actually take a serious attack from a guy above Jiren, before he has SSJG.
>>585651298Duh retard, UI is in Gas
>>585561767what is with that $30 HAIR CUT!!!
>>585561767>Hoodweebs can't fathom someone having a job
>>585560651>>585649791Loose gi is bad. You might see something from the sleeveless parts.
>>585653168hmnh
Get these damn monkey women away from me.
>>585641848>everything in the new anime is purpleIf by everything you mean Beerus's ki and Vegeta's sparks but only during his power up then yes
i can't wait for goku to defeat bills with his iconic 100x kaioken dragon fist attack!
>>585641730>>585642168>>585643691The whole automatic retreat thing there isn't UI foreshadowing, it's a very common battle anime trope.
>>585655120It's just here to show how skilled Goku is and how dangerous Beerus just THINKING of throwing a real attack is, yeah.
>>585655201No, it's just a standard trope. I think every battle anime on Earth has done it.Show how powerful this new opponent is by having a main character be shocked that they stepped back or automatically moved out of the way, because instinctively they knew the person was dangerous.Fucking Araki was making a joke out of the trope in JoJo Part 3 with the Polnareff staircase scene, it's just incredibly common.
>>585655384>No, it's just a standard trope.Yes and I just described what that trope signal about the characters.
>>585625691Even after everything came out, his cult's still whining "it's been quite a while since he messed up, right? It was a personal issue between individuals, so its shocking he and his characters are getting punished so severely". To that end, it's not surprising Bandai hasn't kicked him to the curb.
>>585656090Nobody cares nor knows who you're talking about.
>>585655120wew it's almost like UI by itself is an ultimate version of the trope of martial artists' bodies acting entirely on their own as RoF introduced it just four months before that episode airedAlmost.
>>585660250>the old Super anime came out not even four months after RoFJesus christ no wonder it was so shit for most of its run
>>585641714>Goku values Ginyu's life highly because Ginyu is a strong warriorFair warrior, he literally says the english word fair
>>585656810Yamcha's voice actor for the past 40 years? Are you insane?
>>585617181Maybe someone at Toei was a big Vegetafag and chose to remove it a second timeMakes me think Toriyama was the reason the bingo scene happened in the movie
>>585667242>Makes me think Toriyama was the reasonYeah that would be a pretty good hunch for the movie he wrote
Bulma's balls are gone
>>585651620That's my hero for you
throwing Kefla in the goku room
>>585668813Hot
Genuinely what's the point of the remake when they don't fix the major plotholes? They'll add a whole new scene of Goku being a Baki schizo but they won't show us how Pilaf and his gang became kids? They won't give kid Vegeta his canon hairstyle? What's the point of even adapting RoF then? Its animation was the least of its problems.
>>585669382>Genuinely what's the point of the remake when they don't fix the major plotholes?Make hoodweebs clap
>>585651005>The internet really got ruined by third worlders.Aren't they a good portion of this fanbase?
the (female) goku room...
>>585669382I agree it's a major missed opportunity but the primary purpose is to have a version of Super that is visually presentable and doesn't have Umigame pacing so that people can get into it with less likelihood of being filtered in time for Moro, and also to make rewatches less cancerous
>Constant genderbent char posting for the past 2 daysI mean, I'm just gonna keep hiding your posts and the replies to it, but man, that's so boring.Not having to filter you, I mean seeing you constantly post the same kinda thing over and over.And it seems you're arguing with some schizo too which of course prompts you to post more to bait them.It's so boring man.
>>585669382>Genuinely what's the point of the remakeBoG (the DBS anime recap version, not the movie's) with animation related improvements quality and pacing wise, and little else.>fix the major plotholesYou were expecting actual changes to the plot or something?That was never gonna happen Viper, come on man.
>>585669875Not really. Too broke to make money for the franchise
>>585671802Your tsundere shtick has been played out for months, get new material.
>>585669382>They won't give kid Vegeta his canon hairstyle?Toriyama's kid Vegeta hair sucks.
How is Infinite World compared to the original Budokai series? They were very satisfying games to play with amazing music and solid story mode. I hated burst limit because of the long stupid cutscenes mid fight and FighterZ is cool but it lacks a real story mode.
>>585675438Based
>>585644621>>585644786pedophile
* = dlcUniversal>Kaioken->Kaioken x20>Potential Unleashed ->Beast>Ultra Insinct Omen -> Ultra Instinct True>*Ultra Ego -> God of DestructionSlugs>Super Namekian -> Turn Giant>Potential Unleashed (Namekian) -> OrangeMonkeys>Super Vegeta -> Super Vegeta 2>Super Saiyan -> Super Saiyan 3>SSG -> SSB>*Super Saiyan 4 -> SS4 Full Power>*Future Super Saiyan -> Super Saiyan Rage (Trunks)>*Great Ape -> Golden Great Ape>*Super Saiyan Rage (Broly) -> Legendary Super SaiyanFridges>Final Form -> MAX Power>*Golden -> BlackMajins>Absorption (current mentor)->Purification>Evil Eye -> Turn GiantJinzos>Limiter Removal -> Super Android (Super 13)>Big Gete Star -> Big Gete Core
>>585681081Jinzo sounds like a slur
>>585681149I suppose it's kinda like calling someone a beast rather than a beastman
>>585681149The full version, Jinzoningens too.
>>585680924Faggot
>>585680924>Noticing the pedophilia of others makes you a pedophileI like animals not kids.
>>585681204Sure but there is a certain cadence to those letter in English that sound like a slur. Maybe it's just the proximity to Gypsy in my head.
>>585681470>calling the father of shonen a pedophile
>>585681081LSS isn't going to be its own thing. It's confirmed that you can choose your super saiyan hair style, and that the green broly/kale/kefla styles are right next to the regular yellow ones as options for normal Super Saiyan
pedophiles should be banned from ts site
>>585682171>>585682339Here's a pity (you)
>>585669382>25 March 2018 Dragon Ball Super Episode 131: "A Miraculous Conclusion! Farewell Goku! Until the Day We Meet Again!!" debuts on Fuji TV. >20 October 2018 Dragon Ball Super Chapter 41: "Ultra Instinct" goes on sale in the December 2018 issue of V-Jump.>14 November 2018 Dragon Ball Super: Broly premieres to a limited audience at the Nippon Budōkan in Tokyo.>21 November 2018 Dragon Ball Super Chapter 42: "Battle's End and Aftermath" goes on sale in the January 2019 issue of V-Jump.>04 December 2018 Dragon Ball Super Tankōbon Volume 8: "'Sign' of Son Goku's Awakening", collecting chapters 37-40, goes on sale in Japan.>14 December 2018 Dragon Ball Super: Broly premieres to the general public in Japanese theaters.>21 December 2018 Dragon Ball Super Chapter 43: "Galactic Patrol Enlistment!" goes on sale in the February 2019 issue of V-Jump.>01 January 2019 Dragon Ball Super Chapter 44: "Escaped Prisoner Moro" goes on sale in the March 2019 issue of V-Jump.>21 February 2019 Dragon Ball Super Chapter 45: "Moro's Magical Power" goes on sale in the April 2019 issue of V-Jump.>20 March 2019 Dragon Ball Super Chapter 46: "Planet Namek in Decline" goes on sale in the May 2019 issue of V-Jump. >20 April 2019 Dragon Ball Super Chapter 47: "Stolen Dragon Balls" goes on sale in the June 2019 issue of V-Jump.>21 May 2019 Dragon Ball Super Chapter 48: "Moro's Wish" goes on sale in the July 2019 issue of V-Jump.>21 June 2019 Dragon Ball Super Chapter 49: "Outer Space Battle" goes on sale in the August 2019 issue of V-Jump.>20 July 2019 Dragon Ball Super Chapter 50: "Great Escape" goes on sale in the September 2019 issue of V-Jump. Reminder that Toei could have just continued Super, possibly remade Broly in TV format with Toriyama's 3 hour script, then Moro, but instead they gave us Daima and Super Kai
>>585683725>DaimaBased
>>585683725>with Toriyama's 3 hour script,It was probably bunch of nonsense. People overwank this but Broly is a literal caveman, how do you drag it out to 3 hours. I doubt there was anything worth in this script.
I first watched Bardock special when I was 12, the ending made me cry, not just Bardock's death but also Grandpa Gohan finding Goku and the ending theme everything was spot on back in the days it really didn't feel like you were watching a DBZ episode that you waited each week to watch My brother said I was being a faggot was he right?
>>585686621no
>>585686621Your brother sounds like a faggot
>>585686621only faggots have emotions, it's a well known thing. Real man dudes have alcohol and road rage
>>585686621You are a faggot but not for having emotions, but for liking History of Bardock
>>585669382Shueisha higher ups don't have much care for Dragonball outside of maximum profit minimal effort like all corporate operates especially because Dragonball no longer has it's author and without Toriyama there's no one with clout who can really push for the things the franchise needs, Iyoku isn't one of the In people anymore after the stunt he pulled with SANDLAND and the Bird Studio lawsuit, Torishima hasn't had pull for decades he's just a grifting old man now, Toyotaro never had pull he was just Toriyama's humanized drawer who sometimes got to do things things because master was kind and the Toriyama estate IE his family doesn't care to get deeply involved in Dragonball they just want the money to continue flowing in, Sasuke has no interest in being the hire apparent to the IP. So minimum effort is the most you're gonna get with Dragonball from now on while they plaster Toriyama's name on new projects for marketing reasons, there's a reason why Beserk is still credited as Miura's story even through he's been dead for close to a decade now, the people working on it now are working on his old notes but nobody ever said how far those notes go, kinda like Monty Ohm with RWBY before Roosterteeth ran it into the ground, for all we know he only created enough material for volume 3 and everything from 4 and on are them flying blind, just like how Daima was just Toriyama notes with SS3 Vegeta and SS4 Goku and Xenoverse 3 is just character designs. we'll never know the full truth
>>585687731>Sasuke has no interest in being the hire apparent to the IP.I still wonder what the fuck he did since he worked on Super Hero.
>>585682193Come to think of it, we might be able to customize our fridge's final form in the full game too
>>585687731>just like how Daima was just Toriyama notes with SS3 Vegeta and SS4 GokuToriyama literally said otherwise before his death
Toriyama said that Bardock's special made him cry a tear bucket
Ulthan in Burst Limit.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeFcQFjWNAE
So if Vegeta gets the fight with Goku like he wants, what is he expecting to change. He acts like it is the most important thing in his life, but if he Loses then he just gets it reconfirmed what he already thinks. Even if he won against what he believed to be a Goku going all out, what then? Go back to commiting Genocide, just completely alone this time? For money? Money for what?
>>585690068>Even if he won against what he believed to be a Goku going all out, what then?Then the score table will say "Vegeta 1" instead of "Vegeta 0".And then they will eat, rest, and schedule their next fight.
>>585690259Goku is supposed to be dead
>>585690383>>585690259And Vegeta believes that Goku will go back to being dead after his 24 hours are up. It's why he is so impatient on Babadi's ship.
>>585689750BL graphics is so good
>>585681081>>585682193When was any of this confirmed?
>>585681081>>*Golden -> BlackLol lmao even. Keep dreaming
>>585689750that's cool, but now i need future ulthan from shin budokai 2
YOU STOLE MY CHARACTER!!!!!!!!!FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!
>>585694323That first post is just speculationsource for the second is people that got to try the latest playable build bamco had out at a games convention
>>585694323https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8-rv5kS8uU
>>585700378>posting this on the AI Training website to end all AI Training websitesYeah, you deserve it at this point.
>>585606297I've blown to it before
My favorite part of Dragon is when characters who have explicit reasons not to got to fight start going towards the fight so Toriyama doesn't have to draw a diffrent background.
>>585686621i cried because bardock's death made me think my father was going to die because he just joined the navy at that time. that dub music man
>>585627996ok i'm out of the loop here. why is kid chichi chubby in that game?
>>585673567>Toriyama's kid Vegeta hair sucks.Sure but at least it's consistent with what we know
It is almost Halloween my dudes.
>>585709378No. If Vegeta's hair was fully grown as a kid it would have to be at least as tall as him.
>>585709378does the armour even help?
>>585712256>fuck the lolii don't get what this is referencing
>>585711830East Kaioshin pulls out a rock stronger than base Gohan, who is at the time the 4th strongest being in the universe, and the four star Dragon Ball survives a blast from a man more than strong enough to blow up the moon...
>>585711638And how does this justify Toei Kid Vegeta's hairstyle
>>585713659How do the pages you posted attack Toei's kid Vegeta
>>585715037What pages did I post
>>585716182When did I mention Toei Kid Vegeta
>>585716386Here >>585715037
>>585669382To resell you the same thing over and over again.
>>585700624Are we sure those aren't just wigs?
>>585712256I remember a funny post I read from 2ch who SHAT on Iyoku relentlessly.>こいつはクソ野郎だ。ドラゴンボールがこんなに無難で創造性枯渇した感じなのはこいつのせいだ。井戸の底のアイデアは全部古いネタのリサイクルで、しかも質が落ちてる。>「おい、フリーザを復活させようぜ!」>「おい、未来トランクスを復活させて悪の悟空を作ろうぜ!」>「おい、ブロリーを復活させるけど女バージョンでな!」>「おい、またブロリーを復活させようぜ!」>「ピッコロ主役の映画を悟飯対セルの映画に変えようぜ!」>「俺が独自のGTを作るぜ、でも魔界編でな!」>あの男は本当に鳥山先生と親友みたいなふりをしたいんだ。このシリーズは自分の手にかかっている時だけ安全だって思わせたいんだ。>This guy is an asshole. It's his fault that Dragon Ball feels so safe and creatively bankrupt. All the ideas at the bottom of the well are recycled old material, and the quality has dropped.>'Hey, let’s bring back Freeza!'>'Hey, let’s bring back Future Trunks and make an evil Goku!'>'Hey, let’s bring back Broly, but as a female version!'>'Hey, let’s bring back Broly again!'>'Let’s change the Piccolo-focused movie into a Gohan vs. Cell movie!'>'I'm gonna make my own GT, but with the Demon Realm arc!'
>>585722228And also this from the same thread I once read.>とはいえ、DAIMAの発案を鳥山先生を責めるわけにもいかない。あれは全て井戸明夫のアイデアだし、鳥山先生は寛大すぎて「この野郎、俺のシリーズに余計な口出しするな」なんて本気で言えないんだ。井戸は単なる独占欲の強いメシアコンプレックスの馬鹿で、自分がこのフランチャイズを救える選ばれし者だと思い込んでいる。ところが実際は、彼が原因で『遊戯王』が子供向け番組になってしまったのだ。>That being said, we can't really blame Toriyama-sensei for the conception of DAIMA. That was entirely Akio Iyoku's idea, and Toriyama-sensei was way too generous to ever seriously say, 'Hey asshole, stop meddling in my series.' Iyoku is just a possessive, messiah-complex idiot who thinks he's the chosen one to save this franchise. But in reality, he's the reason Yu-Gi-Oh! turned into a kids' show.
>We never get to see Master Roshi in his own Gi in any official capacity What a missed opportunity. In fact following Namek the story appears to be pretty hostile to the Turtle Hermit School of Martial arts and what it should mean.
>>585694945It would be nice to let fridges choose their color for their strongest form (Golden Frieza is golden because Frieza chose that color to spite super saiyans or something like that)
>>585619921Many western fans want the vibes from the old Z movies. I want that too.
>>585725581I'll take the time in a Z movie where Goku maliciously brutalized a defeated opponent
>>585725581>>585726707fuck that noise I want my teen goku kung fu strategy battles again
>>585727502Yeah well Roshi, Yajarobi, Krillin and Yamcha retired, Junior is weaker than East Kaioshin (a little pee pee boy who doesn't get to do anything) and Tien is only allowed to do one thing per Saga.
>>585722913>That being said, we can't really blame Toriyama-sensei for the conception of DAIMA. That was entirely Akio Iyoku's idea, and Toriyama-sensei was way too generous to ever seriously say, 'Hey asshole, stop meddling in my series.'I'm not sure Toriyama even cared that much. He just seemed to be the type who lets everyone do their own thing, but he'll promptly ignore what they wrote if once he's involved with writing again.>But in reality, he's the reason Yu-Gi-Oh! turned into a kids' show.That was him too? Jesus.
seems like MasakoX was in the thread
>>585725581A lot of the Z movies weren't that good though. Something Dragon Ball has notoriously always suffered with, a movie that exists for the sake of having an enemy beat down the Z fighters and then Goku gets an asspull. Super does this too. It's boring as fuck then and it's boring as fuck now. Now, I'm not saying that all Z movies do that. Z has some fantastic movies. Hell, even Super has Super Hero which is pretty good. Actually felt like an old Z movie to me personally but people hate that fucking movie for whatever reason.
>>585729709>Complains about asspulls>Super Hero goodWas Solopsism correct after all
>>585729404Remember, the only time Toriyama got really pissed about someone treading on his work was when Fox execs kept ignoring his ideas for Evolution. Iyoku being friends with Toriyama just gave him more leeway.
>>585729709Pretty sure only Gohanfags love Super Hero
>>585729967>Implying Gohan was hinted at training for something priorI'm convinced that people that shit on this movie simply don't like it because it's a Gohan movie or something.
Always saw that recent YGO show as Yu-Gi-Oh for the Beyblade/Pokemon cribcattle.
I still wish the Dragon Ball SD anime was real.
Remember when Piccolo trained and worked hard and got results? What if instead he made a wish to become yellow that makes him orange so he can be a serious character?
>>585689750Is he a transformation like the Budokai games, or did the modders make him a separate character?
>>585730136Only ultimate Gohanfags, who only started caring about the character at the Cell fight, and hype him up because he is the strongest.
>>585725581>"They never give us what we want!">What "we" want is apparently just non-stop fight scenes with barely any plot or themesSometimes fans really should shut up about what they want, because what they want is shallow slop.
>>585725581Maybe they should keep making movies? Not more wanpiss
>>585731505It's not his fault he wasn't a saiyan and he reached his peak a long time ago after merging with Kami
>>585733127idk, Saonel and Pirina kind of prove that Namekians can also get stronger like Saiyans, since ToP characters are supposedly God tier or something.
Why do i have a feeling Awesome Fuckin' Tien Edit is on Iyoku's pander checklist?
>>585733127>It's not his fault he hit a limit not established ever and couldn't keep up with base Sayians, base Sayians like Goku who lost two tournaments to normal humans>BTW Piccolo hit the wall and needs wishes, but Master Roshi can contest Jiren, and Krillin can match SSJ1 Goku
>>585733987>>585733127I agree that it isn't Piccolo's fault it is the writers fault.
>>585733581I
>>585734343HATE
>>585733484I thought it was a U6 thing, like how strong the U6 saiyans were without transformations
>>585734429EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU
MAXIMUM
>>585700378Muse Dash stole mine, won't say who though
>>585734530>like how strong the U6 saiyans were without transformationsweaker than Monna, apparently
>>585736838Stronger than Super Perfect Cell btw
>>585736838Compared to how long it took Goku and Vegeta to become strong with their transformations and everything, these U6 saiyan had a higher base power level
I just don't understand the perspective that Namekian power comes from fusion. It's a temporary power boost easily surpassed by effort like getting your potential unlocked.After Fusing with Nail, Piccolo is weaker than Vegeta when they both leave Namek. Then after the four year time gap Piccolo (having not absorbed anyone else) is like 30 to 40, post four year gap Vegetas.
>>585737302Everyone in every other universe has a higher powerlevel than SSJ1 Vegetio. It's called shit writing.
>>585737346because it's comfy and easy to wear
>>585736838Peak Toriyama waifer
>>585737346Merging is a really big boost, which makes sense because Namekians can only do it with each otherPiccolo was confident he could take on Frieza but after merging with Nail he couldn't believe the power he got
>>585733484>Saonel and Pirina kind of prove that Namekians can also get stronger like SaiyansThey only got that strong because they fused with most other Namekians.
>>585738124>Merging is a really big boostNobody denies this.>Piccolo was confident he could take on Frieza bTechnically true, but wrong in spirit. When Piccolo was on North Kai's planet he was confident but, the moment Piccolo arrives on Namek and can sense Frieza he gets scared, and Nail a more objective narrator says that Piccolo is going to get strung out by the supressed 1st form Frieza he fought. Piccolo got ten or more times stronger from eating Nail. It is a very good tool.It's not where Piccolo gets all of his power from. Taking powerscalling so low ball I don't even accept it. 3rd Zenkai Vegeta can be barely stronger than Nail absorbed Piccolo, then Vegeta can not get stronger base wise in the 4 year gap, and even under these silly circumstances, Piccolo still needs to get over 30 times stronger through pure effort in that 4 year gap.
>>585733484>Saonel and Pirina kind of prove that Namekians can also get stronger like SaiyansThey fused with their entire planet and Piccolo still beat them
>>585740439With Gohan's help who was stronger than him
>>585738124>Piccolo was confident he could take on FriezaWhich is also bullshit, training with Kaio for little over a month made someone weaker than Nappa stronger than First Form Frieza when Goku training for almost half a year only put him slightly above saiyan saga Vegeta? And only thanks to Kaio-ken, which Piccolo didn't learn
>>585741000*Maybe* 90k Goku is also confident he can defeat Freiza before Goku senses Frieza.I don't know why we are treating what Piccolo says on North Kai's planet as more factual than what Piccolo says on Namek.
>>585539348Note is pure!
>>585737169Don't remind me
>>585737346all the most popular games had piccolo fusing as his transformations
>>585741000>for little over a monthIt might not have been even a week. Goku needed a week to get to Namek, and everyone else only got to Kaio's planet perhaps after he was already traveling for a day or two, and the fight with Freeza started only a few hours after Goku arrived.
>>585742758>>585741000Yeah but the Dragon Team would have trained in Heaven or at the Checkpoint or wherever they were waiting for the previous three weaks.
>>585742994Doesn't seem likely. Kaio explicitly says they took far less time to arrive on his planet than Goku did, and it took Goku over six months to arrive there, so they probably got their bodies quickly and went on to travel to Kaio's planet for the remaining 3 weeks, since Goku himself also had been dismissed and traveled to Kaio's planet after only a few minutes. They may have trained with each other between traveling breaks (With meditation and the like), but it's still not a lot of training since they would prioritize getting to Kaio's planet first.
>>585743576Goku made it from North Kai's world to the checkpoint, with his 8k powerlevel, Tien and Piccolo's powerlevel levels are well over 1.2k, and are several times greater than the Goku who made his way there.This is all a side tangent to the fact that everyone else thinks Piccolo doesn't stand a chance against Frieza, btw.
Piccolo Junior is born as a pertty average looking Namekian child. Does that mean Tambourine, Cymbal and Drum would have gotten bigger.
Vegeta and Goku all think they can fight Frieza and are wrong twice each.Gohan thinks he can fight Frieza and is wrong.
>>585742161I will because it's very funny. Super Perfect Cell would job to Para Para Bros too.
>>585736838
>>585749279Why boner...
>>585737518Toriyama just did that. Piccolo Daimaoh was the strongest character in OG, with Goku needing to risk his life to surpass him, and then his son/reincarnation trained and was even stronger, yet, he's nothing compared to later villains, most of which are threats from outside Earth. Toriyama just continued that by making beings from other universes that strong. DBS isn't even the first time he did this since Dabura is far stronger than Freeza, and he's just from another realm
>>585751758Does Frieza even know about the demon realm? I always assumed he didn't know because Cold only warned him about Beerus and Buu
>>585737518>Everyone in every other universe has a higher powerlevel than SSJ1 Vegetio. It's called shit writing.okay>Goku curbstomps everyone until Tao Paipai shows up>Tao makes Goku his bitch>Tao is defeated by Goku later>Tenshinhan shows up three years later and is evenly matched with a far stronger Goku, both being the strongest in the setting at this point>not even a day later, Tenshinhan is infinitely weaker than five (5) characters, four new and one being Goku>Piccolo Daimao was the strongest ever but Kami and Mr. Popo both easily deal with Goku>Goku is now the #1 strongest guy and basically even matched with the reborn Piccolo>then this other guy shows up>this guy is stronger than both Goku and Piccolo combined >he is also the WEAKEST person of his entire group etc etc etcLike, remember when Freeza was the strongest in the universe? And then the androids, and Cell, and Boo, and Beerus, etc etc etc
>>585751942Marba claims to have sold Saibamen seeds to outsiders, so there's a chance he knows. Cold being aware of Majin Buu could mean he knew about it, or he simply is aware of Majin Buu's rampage.
>>585737518>It's called shit writing.It's not, it'd be retarded and arbitrary if the best of other universes were just weaker than the best of U7 for no reason.
>>585752675>or he simply is aware of Majin Buu's rampage.That's pretty likely, it's like how humans know about the mass extinction event that killed the dinos.
Wow...... so... he used the wish to look non threatening..... I didn't expect that...
>>585761869....He had to wish even for that? He might be the LAMEST villain ever.Also the wish didn't work very well because people could tell shit was up 5 seconds after he showed up
>>585749279Sorry Cabba but we need more strong saiyans in universe 6 so you got to breed the alien bbw. So make your race proud.
Finished Bleach's second anime today. Just looked at Super (vanilla and Beerus) and sighed
>This will be TRUE to Toriyama's visionIyoku is genuinely the funniest fucking guy in existence holy shit
>After defeating Son Goku in the final round, XXI became the winner of the entire Multiverse Tournament. Then why is DBM still going? Why isn't it over yet?
>>585774390>Then why is DBM still going? Why isn't it over yet?XXI decided to just attack everyone so now there's a weird version of the Babidi uprising, except it's in 'frozen time' and taking so long, people are building survivor villages in bubbles of 'not frozen time' thanks to Namekians vibrating their antennas.
>>585770312pendulous and heaving
>>585774662I see.I'm not going to reread the entire thing just to catch up, I'll read some of the latest arcs and consider checking it out every now and then.
>>585776351It's shit, don't bother.
>>585770312Either a woman or a "woman" drew thisIn either case, fucking cringe
>>585778392Are your parents proud of you?
>>585777247I know, that's why I want to read it.
It's so not-Dragon Ball it circles aroud to being amusing in some twisted way.Like, you can't tell me this whatever creature could ever exist in Dragon Ball lmao.
>>585779008>Guy can vaporize XXI but XXI has three dudes weaker than himselfWhat?
>>585779236You should have read the stuff before where the XXI was basically a shitty Lord of the Rings knock off with the Kaioshins looking like elves.Also look at this cringe >>585761869
>>585779236The dragon? MaybeThe shadow guy? Absolutely not
>>585779826>The shadow guy?Yes.
What if Kamin was in the multiversal tournament.
>>585753284You mean like how the second or third strongest warrior in the history of every other land in the macrocosom of the original universe is equal to SSJ1 Gohan who Goku and Vegeta treat like a disabled child in this Saga, also he is barely stronger than his seven year old brother. And the Sayians repeatedly embarrass great warriors collected from across all of time and space in their universe. On South Kai's world, there is one dude able to deal with base Goku, and South Kai sees SSJ1 and knows his greatest warrior would be fucked. No world in the universe (over 88, over 79 explicitly) can produce anything close to Goku other than Buu, because Goku experienced the story of Dragon Ball so he is exceptional and should be portrayed that way the Buu saga got this right.Except that the Demon Realm is actually its own 13th universe and everyone in Daima and Dabra are all one shot to anyone at the ToP, so why is that universe so shit if they should all be equal.
>>585784226Actually the Demon Realm is the 0th Universe
>>585784226>You mean like how the second or third strongest warrior in the history of every other land in the macrocosomBuu is from the Demon Realm and shat all over everyone in the Buu Saga
>>585784396That's because he was the first strongest in the history of the universe until he was retconned to be from a different universe. Goku also says he could have beat Fat Buu but lost on purpose so he could get his seveh year old child nearly killed.
>>585784637>That's because he was the first strongest in the history of the universe until he was retconned to be from a different universe.Buu's origin was always a big question mark and Babidi and Bibidi were always from the demon realm.
>>585784637Goku says a lot of things
>>585784637>Goku also says he could have beat Fat BuuThe same Goku was also fully confident he could take on Kid Buu, but when they fought, he couldn't do anything to him. The fight against Fat Buu even used most of his time on Earth despite it being just a skirmish that Fat Buu took far less seriously than Goku, so there's no guarantee that Goku would actually be able to finish him off without using up all his time on Earth. There's no reason to take his word as a fact when he's shown to be wrong.
>>585784952Which was part of the Dragon Ball universe, as much so as the Kaio Realm was part of the Dragon Ball Universe. East Kaioshin who would be aware of the multiverse if it wasn't a retcon, compared the Demon Realm to the Mortal Realm and not the demon realm to universe 7.
>>585752401>>585751758I mean if you just want to remove swafts of context and insult the effort Toriyama put into the story.Even characters who are retcons of explict statements like Tao Pai Pai or Frieza, retroactively ground their strength in the universe. Piccolo Sr, Vegeta, Frieza, and Buu do it simply by expanding the world of combatants.
>>585785378>Which was part of the Dragon Ball universe,We actually didn't know what it was except a place where magic goes 'lol no' to logic.
>Pokemon Unite is shutting downOoooh, either than why Gekishin is overhauling or the team must be kicking themselves because they would have had the entire market for themselves
>>585786401Humanity is growing out of MOBAtrash af last.
>>585785810No I think that's retroactive too. Babadi and East Kaioshin weren't from the demon Realm initially either. Dabra barely has magical abilities
>>585787527>petrifying spit>hellfire breath>illusionsThat's more magic than most magicians in Dragon Ball demonstrate
https://dbx.bn-ent.net/information/The final festival of universes will go from October 30th to Feburary 17thThere are no new custom costumesAll previous prizes from costumes to auras to accessories will be available in the Star Coin shop this will include the Zeno button but exclude Dragonball prizes The rainbow gi and the commerative medal will be received upon registering and choosing your universe All previous fighters including the three new ones will randomly spawn for this festival
>>585789462Hope it'll go well
>>585788226I'd still say Monster Carrots ability is better.>illusionsIs that not just after image? Majin boost prevents normal Ki sense from working
Pan!
>>585791110>>585788226Dabra isn't really more impressive than any other Dragon Ball mage, though to be fair most of them got back ported into the Demon Realm. But nobody at the time was suggesting than any group other than maybe Namekians were demons at the time, so I don't think it's fair to say the demon realm has always been a place of powerful magic, and Piccolo Sr. gets called Demon-kin which Piccolo Jr. says Gohan will become, and pre-"Z" the Demon Realm is implied to be part of Other World, and by "Z" Toriyama drew a scetch of the Dragon Ball universe, and the Demon Realm isn't, and King Yenma implies it isn't in text.
>>585792403>Broly and Cooler transformed for no reason at all
>>585792403TIL Elder Kai cannot fly
>>585792403Cute
>>585785656>it's good when it was done by toriyama 30 years ago and bad when it was done by toriyama 10 years agoJust kill yourself
>>585792464Wouldn't the reasonable assumption be that "5th" form cooler is base cooler and cooler made his 1st form look like his brother?The question is why is Frieza transformed?
>>585794894>1st formCooler has 3 other forms we've never seen before or something, so the base we know is his 4th form too.
>>585795197he's a clone of king cold like frieza so their first three forms should look the same too
>>585792403this is a nice looking art, any way to know the artist?
>>585794061>I am an example of the American litteracy crisisI don't know why you told me that.It is bad when characters are unjustifibly strong. And 30 years ago Toriyama didn't do that, outside of Yajarobi who I complain about regularly
>>585795932>It is bad when characters are unjustifibly strong.No it isn't
>>585795197Does he say this? It's been years since I have watched a Z movie>>585795368If we are taking outside offical sources, than Frieza custom made his 1st-3rd forms, and it's not a trait of Cold clones.
>>585796010>Yeah half the chapters of Dragon Ball are completely pointless and shitSuper defenders
>Cabba and lavender are retarded characters>Erm actually Frieza and Cell are just as poorly writtenEverytime.
>>585795456its from XV2's latest festival>>585796138Yeah he does, right before transforming
>>585795932>It is bad when characters are unjustifibly strong.They're very justifiably strong. They literally got picked by GoDs who thought the Buu Saga casts were weak irrelevant faggots.
>>585796938>its from XV2's latest festivalyeah, i meant the artist at bamco or toei or whatever that made it. Cause i think it looks better than the other art they made so far
>>585797060Not a good look when these characters struggle against Master Roshi despite that
>>585797060>They literally got picked by GoDs who thought the Buu Saga casts were weak irrelevant faggots.Yeah but the Buu saga cast was terrifyingly strong to the Kaioshin who would know about the multiverse and Moro, Zamasu peed himself at Goku, but Goku wasn't really *that* strong in the multiverse. Even in Early Super ToP level characters, litteraly didn't exist until BoG.They mostly weren't trained by the GoDs, or have somebody who should be on that divine SSJG+ level to get them there.The pride troupe is justified, the trio de danger isn't.
>>585798528Roshi got explicitly stronger and it's explained why on screen
>>585799252What an insult
So has Toyo gotten better during his hiatus or is this just because he isn't working monthly anymore?
>>585801059The paneling still sucks and the action still doesn't follow from panel to panel
>XV2 got an updateNeat
>>585795932>It is bad when characters are unjustifibly strong.And I had listed several examples of unjustifiably strong characters prior to Super.The entire Cell arc requires you to believe the idea that the strongest character in the setting could be easily surpassed several times over by a doctor fucking around in a lab on a planet that had the WEAKEST characters in the setting.
>>585776242mein neger, nothings better than heavy saggers
>>585801217I know you took that take from twitter but even them are liking it precisely because it's drastically better. In Super the guy has to add story and fighting every chapter and he has to fit as much as he wants or it's gonna be pushed to the next month so his pages are all crowded and more tiresome to read. That mini comic is a trillion times better, more clean (despite not even being in black and white) and direct, honestly the only flaw I can find is that the action doesn't direct you to the next panel like Toriyama's pages used to do, other than that it's a massive improvement.One I doubt we will see in the future because whenever they bring Super back for its proper ending he's gonna have the same page-count/monthly schedule problem as before
>>585803501>but even them are liking it precisely because it's drastically better.Nta, but his work in that short comic still shows the same flaws, like the second page is just pretty terrible and still bogged down by needless panels.Anyways, twittertards love Toyo, don't even know what you meant by this. >he's gonna have the same page-count/monthly schedule problem as beforeWhy do people write like this is Shueisha's fault and not Toyo's.He got a decade to work with Toriyama in this very environment. He just sucks.
>>585801059>Goku's Nyoibo just randomly disappears
Is the black Frieza Saga even going to be good? are we going to other universes?
>>585803501>You got that take from Twitter>Twitter actually agrees with mePick one.>honestly the only flaw I can find is that the action doesn't direct you to the next panel like Toriyama's pages used to doThe actions from panel to panel don't even make sense.Also you're really trying to say he couldn't handle a MONTHLY manga when the industry standard is weekly?
>>585803501>>585804376Seriously, if you can't handle a monthly schedule, WHAT schedule can you handle? To make ONE chapter?
>>585804265This illiterate fandom made up the Black Frieza saga just like they made up Moro anime coming out in 2027 and are running with this for an entire year until it hits them like a truck.
XV3 better let me give my CaCs knife ears
>>585804265>Is the black Frieza Saga even going to be good?What Black Freeza Saga? Toyotaro already skipped years with Freeza not doing shit until Super Hero.
>>585802881>And I had listed several examples of unjustifiably strong characters prior to Super.No you listed strong characters, while getting things wrong and ignoring their justifications.>Cell Cell CellYou never shut up about Cell, the Cell Saga is already contentious here. If I agreed I would only be saying that DB had 1 nonsense sagas out of the 10 sagas it had. While DBS had only 3 of its 10 sagas jump the first hurdle of having a main antagonist that should exist.
>>585801059Is this supposed to be read left to right? It doesn't make sense the Japanese way.
>>585804376>>585804627so was it just a dream then
>>585744957I was going to say that Cymbal breaks the rules of being a Namekian because they die without their head being destroyed, which Piccolo jr. said was impossible, but then I realized Buu Saga Piccolo jr. is retatded because Piccolo sr. died with his head intact, and so did Nail and so did everyone on Namek
>>585804376>You got that take from Twitter>Twitter actually agrees with meOne one of those statements were said in that post my friendAlso I think you didn't realise the order of that comic is western left to right, not the other way around
>>585803837Why are you accusing others of saying stuff they never said? I never blamed Shueisha.>>585804376Twitter loves to shit on Toyotaro's paneling, even when most of fans don't actually understand what makes it weak. And precisely due to this criticism they quickly noticed the paneling here was better. No need to pick one when they not only aren't contradictory statements but complement each other.>actions don't make senseIt's left to right, anon.>couldn't handle a MONTHLY manga when the industry standard is weekly?Weekly would be easier, dumbass, because he wouldn't have to deliver a chapter that both moves the plot forward and has action every time. With a weekly release he could space things more, take more time and use more pages for battles and have chill, devoid of fight chapters as the story demands it at other points, etc.His pages were more crowed precisely because if one chapter didn't have a considerable amount of both fighting and story the fan would have to wait until next month. That mini comic is leagues better than his usual work in Super precisely because he only has to show a few pages of Goku's new figure being flexible and pretty much nothing else.
>>585807126so kinda what happened to Oda. OP used to be way more clean and easy to digest like weekly manga usually are but the series is so fucking long and Oda is so scared of dying before he can finish it he started adding more panels to make events happen faster, admitted by himselfOda can only blame himself for making OP this long tho
>>585776351Don't read the special chapters, the main plot chapters are the ones related to our actual characters and therefore the ones I'll actually bother to repost and shit on
>>585785102Goku was on his level or maybe even slightly stronger, just unable to completely erase him. Although I guess the idea that it could take all of his Earth time isn't wrong, but I'd actually trust Goku's word on dead SS3, just not living SS3 at this point.
>>585810771My favorite thing about that panel is Main! Gohan is the one saying that.
>>585810864>Goku was on his level or maybe even slightly stronger, just unable to completely erase him.So he would lose unequivocally since Majin Buu can't be damaged and doesn't use stamina unless he is fighting another Buu.So no matter how light the stain of SSJ3 is on a dead body Goku would stil tire put first.
>>585797243That's "Bad Promo Artist", an unnamed artist that's been around since the 2000s. He does merch, posters, covers, etc.
>>585813481His greatest masterpiece is this infamous Goku. He used to get laughed at all the time, but compared to the folks they hire nowadays, his work doesn't look too bad.
>>585813262Dead Goku would have been able to kill Buu with Vegeta buying him that one minute at least
>>585813481This franchise has been raped for decades at this point
Oceanus Shenron is in Legends. Along with Legend Omega Shenron.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZmAEOgn3_8
>>585814053Kill Kid Majin Buu sure. But out sude of that one line from Vegeta, Kid Buu is weaker than Fat Majin Buu, Fat Mr Buu does pretty well against Kid Majin Buu
>>585813481isn't that Yamamuro?
>>585810864>but I'd actually trust Goku's word on dead SS3I wouldn't. He has a few panels where he's shocked at something Fat Buu did, and the whole fight used most of his time on Earth despite being a short skirmish where both were messing around (Just 13 pages, and unlike SS2 Goku vs Majin Vegeta, it doesn't cut away to show another event while the fight is going on), that I doubt Goku would manage to kill him when fighting seriously, because doing that would use his time on Earth even faster. His best shot would be to transform and kamehameha to kill him ASAP, but given how hard it is to kill any Majin Buu to begin with, I really can't see that working.
>>585813481From this angle it looks like Gohan wants to save Freeza from Goku kek.
>>58579240317 cucked out of existence yet againI get that it's because he isn't a mentor but it is still funny
Dabra makes it onto the top ten list of strongest original Dragon Ball characters, including fusions... or maybe he is 11th1. Vegito2. Majin Buu/Gohan3. Majin Buu/Gohan4. Gotenks5. Mr Buu/Goku6. Mr Buu/Goku7. Vegeta8-11. Cell/Dabra/Goten/Trunks
>>585817002Yeah but Goku isn't shown to be unreliable as much as just ignorant of the difference between dead and alive. Although I agree Fat Buu looked strong here
>>585818507He is unreliable as he said two opposite things to two diffrent people about litteraly the same situation.
>>585819504He explains why though
>>585819601Certinaly not in my translation
Yamcha really fumbled this
>>585819601Yes, and he gives the same reason for both.>I don't think I could have beaten Buu. Plus, I'm dead, the next generation needs to solve those problems in case an ever strong enemy shows up>I could have beaten Buu back then, but I wanted to give the kids something to do
How many tournament of champions or festivals have there been
>>585807126>Weekly would be easier, dumbass, because he wouldn't have to deliver a chapter that both moves the plot forward and has action every time.It's his own choice to do that (and his own choice to go on hiatus for several years).Many mangaka cope fairly well with monthly releases, and it is less taxing than weekly, that's why so many mangaka end up retiring towards monthly magazines if they end up continuing (like Araki).
>>585824932>it's Toyotaro's choice to publish monthly and to enter hiatusAre you insane? Toyble is an employee of Shueisha, he doesn't even own part of the ip he can only publish in the format he's told and when he's told
>>585813481Honestly I don't really like any of the DB game art from the 2000s onwards, all looks quite awful, but despite that, I am fond of Budokai's anime-style portraits and key art.Maybe it's because the rest of the game is still so stylized, like with the chibi portraits and the diorama stage select, makes the awkwardness of the new art more excusable. Could also be nostalgia (I freaked out as a kid when playing Shin Budokai and unlocking profile stickers from Budokai 1).
>>585795197coolers 3rd form looks like his 4th form. Now i don't know if this was a mix up with the western translation of the 2008 dragon ball collectible card game but it shows he at least cooler has a 3rd form.
>>585821354breed thicker chichi
>>585797243Go to the bandainamcoeurope site and submit your question. You can attach the picture too. They respond within 48 hours.Here's the link: https://service-en.bandainamcoent.eu/app/list/p/6933/DRAGON%20BALL
>>585804541Xenoverse 3 is gonna disappoint everyone in various ways including you, let me assure you that.
>>585827670>>585795197Cooler in the dub says he is in his thrid transformed. The Subs say he can transform 1 more time than his brother.
>>585816794A lot of his work gets attributed to Yamamuro, but if you know what to look for, you can tell the difference. The easiest tells of Bad Promo Artist are his fucked up heads/jaws, the way he draws ears, and the way he uses the 3rd layer of shading/highlights, especially around chins.
>>585831840As bad as Yamamuro is, he's honestly better than BPA.
>>585832305That said, if you lower the bar, BPA's not all bad. Sometimes he does manage to draw really cool stuff. It's pretty rare, though.
>>585832725Oh yeah, he also drew this one of Bulma and her mom bent over.
>>585813481i don't think this >>585792403 looks anything like any of the stuff you posted though, that one is much better
>>585833151>gohan almost getting a faceful of bulma's momgotta be awkward
>>585833151why can't Dragonball be horny anymore?
Caulifla's bouncing titsCheelai ass shots
>>585837171moreMORE
Gogeta showing off his toned, muscular chest. Broly's tight pants leaving little to the imagination.
>>585837171man that's tame
Fuck how do I get the dragon balls from xenoverse
>>585836075The 21st WMAT happened
>>585792403For anyone wondering the connection these are all the Mentor characters with the exception of Boss, Elder Kai, Xeno Trunks, Mee and Fu
>>585793714Toriyama needs to stop touching things.
>>585839230Dragon Ball actually lacked many proper bouncing boobs shots before
It's kind of FUnny how FU keeps teasing XV3 as this next big thing while the fanbase already's seen enough of it and wants it fixed badly KEK
Funny
wtf is that artstyle?
>>585839454Fight other timepatrollers, Great Ape Festival PQ gives you 2 chances to get 1-3, Champa's hellish holliday is my goto, the higher the eenemy TP, the better chance, but also, the tougher the fight
>>585839454Farm the Freeza Namek mission
>>585813481Remember when the One Piece animators animated an intro for a Dragon Ball game?https://youtu.be/MMzmH9Yih_I
what was Fu's original endgame goal before Xenoverse 2 expanded its DLC?
Years later how do you feel about this moment
>>585862268Dumb fanfiction shit which is par for the course for Super
>Toriyama idea>Fanfiction lmfao
>>585862739Correct just like DB-
>>585861764In XV2? Just having fun.
>>585862386>>585862268Not a fanfic, this directly hates Dragon Ball and everything the Sayian and Namek saga said.
I don't think he knows what fanfic is
"laughing my fucking ass off?" erm you can actually laugh so hard that flesh tears off
Based Yamamoto >large swathes of work across Yamamoto's discography were actually plagiarized from other music >Battle Point Unlimited is thought to have plagiarized from a third-party western artist: Propaganda, a 1980s German synth-pop band >Battle Point Unlimited song debuted on the Hit Song Collection before Goku even turned SSJ in the manga. It was just a filler piece from DBZ Hit Song Collection VI (released March 21st 1991) that someone at Toei heard, and decided to use it for Trunks. It wasn't made for Trunks' SSJ transformation at all. That is probably the reason why Yamamoto went a bit too hard on the plagiarism sections - it was just a really obscure, random track that very few would find>Budokai 3, ripping off The Game by Disturbed ...a song that was actually used in the Funimation dub of Cooler's Revenge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z2PXI2joY8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50j2J9-JmUk >Kenji Yamamoto composed background music for Dragon Ball Kai until March 9, 2011, when Toei Animation publicly acknowledged that many of Yamamoto's musical works for the series have possibly infringed upon unidentified third-party copyrights. As a result, Toei Animation fired Yamamoto and replaced his compositions with those written by Shunsuke Kikuchi for the original Dragon Ball Z series >It was only because he messed with Hollywood; otherwise, Toei wouldn't have done anything with him
>>585869610Ok, you forced my hand https://youtu.be/ooSEdnLZ79M
Ready to get APED?
Join Berrus or champa? Second festival for me
>>585871617It's the last one so pick your favorite.
>>585871617U7 has won the last 5 I think due to sheer number of players
>>585871687What number festivals is this
>>585871859Final.
>Festival lasts until February 16thDamn, that's almost a full NFL season
I wish taipan raid would rerun like it did weeks ago
Who is the best Goku?
>>585873547Miroku
>>585873547>No French GokuSad.Also it's Nozawa, of course.
Did universe 11 ever win?
One last go? Alright then!
>>585861091That was animated by Shimanuki, a guy who's been around since OG Dragon Ball. Working on One Piece for so long fucked him up when he had to suddenly start drawing DB again.
>>585874563Doesn't U7 always win?>>585874968Good luck!
>>585871579AI sloppa worshipers should be humiliated more frequently
(>_>)
I remember a funny post I read from 2ch who SHAT on Iyoku relentlessly.>こいつはクソ野郎だ。ドラゴンボールがこんなに無難で創造性枯渇した感じなのはこいつのせいだ。井戸の底のアイデアは全部古いネタのリサイクルで、しかも質が落ちてる。>「おい、フリーザを復活させようぜ!」>「おい、未来トランクスを復活させて悪の悟空を作ろうぜ!」>「おい、ブロリーを復活させるけど女バージョンでな!」>「おい、またブロリーを復活させようぜ!」>「ピッコロ主役の映画を悟飯対セルの映画に変えようぜ!」>「俺が独自のGTを作るぜ、でも魔界編でな!」>あの男は本当に鳥山先生と親友みたいなふりをしたいんだ。このシリーズは自分の手にかかっている時だけ安全だって思わせたいんだ。>This guy is an asshole. It's his fault that Dragon Ball feels so safe and creatively bankrupt. All the ideas at the bottom of the well are recycled old material, and the quality has dropped.>'Hey, let’s bring back Freeza!'>'Hey, let’s bring back Future Trunks and make an evil Goku!'>'Hey, let’s bring back Broly, but as a female version!'>'Hey, let’s bring back Broly again!'>'Let’s change the Piccolo-focused movie into a Gohan vs. Cell movie!'>'I'm gonna make my own GT, but with the Demon Realm arc!'
>>585722228>>585879462
>>585871579I could take them
>>585713486Twitter hoodweeb seething there are lolis in DB.
STUPID FUCKING LOLIS, ALL SMOL AND CUTE, IN MY FIGHTING AND YELLING ANIME, FUCK
>>585804265>Is the black Frieza Saga even going to be good?It depends.Do you think Frieza coming back a 4th time sounds interesting, yes or no?
What was your reaction to Resurrection F in 2015?
>>585882882>Frieza is back... again... yaaay...>That "FRIEZA FRIEZA FRIEZA FRIEZA" song sounds like something straight out of DBZAIn the end I never watched it.I watched the anime recap as a part of the DBS anime though.It was okay, it had some amusing moments, nothing to write home about.
>>585882882I liked it. The anime version was terrible tho
>>585882882I don't remember but I know fapped Towa in 2015
>>585884215>>That "FRIEZA FRIEZA FRIEZA FRIEZA" song sounds like something straight out of DBZAnigga whatthat song's older than the movie itselfhell it's older than any abridged shit
You now remember Dragon Ball Kai>Awkward cuts>Tons of filler still left in>Terribly upscaled/scanned/filtered whatever they did>New MSPaint frames everywhere which are just jarring as hell as to see>Censored blood(even the Blu-ray versions were still censored compared to the original)>New JP performances are not as good as they were 20 years ago(still good but they were better in the 80s/90s and some of the voice actors were dead so they had to replace them so that's something to consider)>Goku vs Jeice and Burter. Kai removed the part of the fight where Goku was moving so fast that it looked like he was standing still and the blasts were phasing through him (to which Vegeta realised he was moving because he noticed the foot impressions left in the ground)>Although cutting most of the filler, this filler was designed to meld into the non-filler in the original DBZ, creating situations where they literally fucking can't fix certain scenes>Most egregious is Kai's Final Chapters, where in the final fight with Buu they have Cell, Frieza, Babidi, etc, watch the fight between Goku and Kid Buu despite this never being in the manga, and later being directly retconned by Revival of F/Toriyama himself basically>SSJ2 Goku vs Kid Buu. Kai really messed with the pacing of this fight by randomly speeding up the parts that were purposely slowed down so that the viewer could appreciate the work put into the choreography
i'm am hapy
>>585890585Budokai 3 + Infinite World PC port please
>>585891113There's a B3 one with community ports from B1, B2, SB and IW.https://github.com/novapowers0/DBZ-Budokai-3-HD-Collection
Bump
>>585891227Cool
>>585890627Crazy we live in a world where machine can just do better remake than an official big ass company did to their most profitable franchise
ENTERA DAMN ACTUAL MONKEY IN FRIEZA'S ARMY
>>585905264He's even more powerful than Broly...!!
>>585905264That's an ape, you idiot.
>>585906661so are the Saiyans !
>>585907704Saiyans are monkeys.
We need candies for /dbg/
>>585909604Someone turned that Kid Buu costume into a mod for SZ, I saw it the other day.Pretty cute.https://gamebanana.com/mods/732488
>>585861764He didn't have oneHe was running experiments for the love of scienceeven in Heros its not until his parents start twisting him that he stars going outright evil rather than just pissed off at other people trying to stop his experiments before they're concluded
>>585853108I'm guessing a baki fan that lacks the obsessive fixation on muscles and anatomy to properly understand Itagaki's style and how it breaks the rules intentionally, and is too stubborn about "developing their style on their own" to do figure studies or any kind of proper lessons
>>585911023That's kino. Also I wish more games had the Pirate Outfit for Goku.
>>585873547Nozawa
>>585873547Nozawa is the best with Schemmel being the worst I've never heard of Ankur Javeri
>>585911405Nah, it's just a rougher version of a classic european comics artstyle.
>>585911756Cute>>585912295Nice
>>585913428Very nice view
Yamcha was stronger than Saibaman, which is more than six times stronger than a man who can destroy the moon with a Kamehameha, Yamcha knows the Kamehamha.Conclusion: Yamcha could blow up the Earth.
>>585917350It is funny and somewhat interesting how Dragon Ball is set up like a stage show almost. Everyone, including the villains for the most part, play by the rule of "You blow up the planet, you win, but wouldn't you want to win fair and square?" And Toriyama gave them a justifiable reason for doing so, the saiyans want Goku's face to meet the dirt, Cell wanted to prove he's the perfect being, Majin Buu before going Kid Buu was messing around after being in a ball for however long it was.
>>585918363Vegeta does not win if he blows up the planet, he dies actually.
>>585917350No shit? Was it supposed to be a revelation?
>>585913428Very nice Goku
>>585882882I was hyped when I thought this would follow the usual movie pattern and have Golden Frieza >>> BeerusImmediately disappointed when I read that Beerus appears in the movie and makes Frieza his puppy.Pathetic.
Hey! It's me! Goku!
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>>585924097>No villian isn't completely invincible and doesn't make the entire story behind him irrelevant, while still being a great threat to the heroes, I can't watch this
>>585926179Frieza is too cool to serve under a cat who became a good guy so there's 0 threat. When I read about that scene it ruined the whole movie for me.
>>585926606Frieza is some trash fodder, who was only alive because East Kaioshin doesn't care about mortals at all, or Frieza hadn't touched East Galaxy yet.
anyone here play any dragonball online ?
Doesn't the idea that Frieza had to be ordered to kill the Sayians undermine (the orginal Dragon Ball story of courses) but also Toriyama's new idea that Frieza genocides everyone including those loyal to him?
>>585927543If you haven't noticed everything after the original manga is trash
>>585927850But it's Toriyama's vision, bro!I just think it is funny that Minus and BoG slap each other and that they are both part of Super.
>>585927152No because I was 10 when the servers were shut down
>>585926885>who was only alive because [characters who didn't exist during his saga]Just like that.
>>585539348This is what he wore when they applied Gohan to school?
>>585928974Oh well Beerus isn't from Frieza's saga either in fact he isn't even from the same media as Frieza.
>>585929539Yes, which is why I refuse to accept he ordered Frieza from 30 years ago to destroy Planet Vegeta. It's just a dumb retcon.
>>585930028Yeah it's anti-meaning but it sounded like you were upset that somebody stronger than Frieza existed, which is an insult to Dragon Ball
>>585930593>>585930028Frieza himself is an explicit retcon of the Sayian Saga, but I don't he actually meaningfully detracts from the meaning of the Sayain SagaI think similar things about Tao Pai Pai... every non-Earthling introduced in the Buu Saga, and Beerus himself. It is thematically important that Frieza decided to kill the Sayians according to his own choices, and that meaning is completely destroyed if he was *not just encouraged to* but coerced to destroy the Sayians by Beerus.
>>585890585I tested, it's shit, the fps sucks
You know, you complain about retcons yet what are the actual words said by the characters? What does Frieza say in Minus when he's plotting to kill the Saiyans? Fuck's sake even Xenoverse seems to be able to connect the dots better than you do.
>>585933642Beerus says he ordered Frieza to kill the Sayians. Are you calling Beerus a liar?
>>585934221Have you actually played Xenoverse 2?
>>585934379Not in several years.
>>585934595Then I'll make this easy for you: Frieza outright states, to Beerus himself even, that he didn't kill the Saiyans -just because- Beerus ordered him to.
>>585933642>>585935229Frieza still mentions having his previous motives in Super Broly, Toriyama's most recent and presumably last word on the matter.Frieza having his own motives doesn't negate the fact that he had to under threat of somebody he fears.
Okay apparently your American ass needs a food analogy to actually understand this:Frieza wants to eat the monkey cake, and plots to eat it all by himself.Beerus, not knowing Frieza already wants to eat the monkey cake, tells him "you can eat all the monkey cake, I'm going to take a nap."Frieza eats all the monkey cake, save a few crumbs that drop on the floor.Does being told he can change the fact that Frieza was already planning on it?
>>585936502The introduction of an alternative motivation nessicarily weakens the imparct of the original motivations, but also if Frieza truly feared the potential damage the Sayians could cause to his empire, and its not just a cope he made up to avoid telling everyone how scared he was about Beerus. Frieza had sat dormant on that motive for an extended period of time. It is only after Frieza gets more reasons to kill the Sayians that he becomes proactive, when who knows how long he would have continued to procrastinate otherwise.
You see you're writing up an elaborate fanfic over motivations and making assumptions that don't actually match what is said by the characters. Even in Minus Frieza is more concerned about the Super Saiyan (and Super Saiyan God) myth than he is about what Beerus will do if he doesn't "follow orders."
>>585938198Frieza either feared the Sayians and didn't act on that fear until after Beerus threatened him even if Frieza was going to anyway, or he didn't fear the Sayians.You can tell me what the other options are if you think I am being dishonest.
>>585938870He feared them getting too rowdy to control, the Super Saiyan legend inspiring them to rise up against him. Beerus telling them to get rid of them is an afterthought to him at best; that's what is actually written down.
Not the anon you're having this argument with but how Minus frames it, he plots to kill the Saiyans the moment he thinks them a liability, too proud to ever be completely loyal, and orders them to return home so he can eliminate as many as he can in one go after a month's time.
>>585939975>>585940202He does this all after Beerus tells him to, and not before, right?
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>>585940454Freeza doesn't even bring up Beerus once in Minus, just the Super Saiyan/Super Saiyan God legends. This scheme is entirely his own.
>>585940454You tell me, because you're the one making up this assumption.
