It's insane how faggy modern d&d is. Check this official artwork for instance. Does that appear to be a band of hardened treasure hunters? They're more akin to a Fortnite style band of Marvel capeshit characters where a lesbian orc female spouts off le epic badass one-liners. Dnd is now officially about doing goofy shit and never failing.Officially at least, all seriousness has been ground out of the game. Thank god d&d was designed from the ground up to be completely homebrewable. You just know WoC would ban homebrewing if they could somehow enforce it, so you can buy their bland modules.
>>98896465Why ur op pic so smal
>>98896465Yeah I agree. It doesn't look or feel anything at all like the D&D it used to be. What is even the point of half-orcs (sorry, ''''orcs'''') now? They look soft, nothing like the classic image of an orc. Why even call them that? Who thinks of an orc and pictures that? Maybe someone out there does want to create a character like that, but the general image should be something classic, and not 'le hecking wholesome buffy humanoid tuskerino'.I know that at the end of the day it's all about having fun and all, but they don't need to make everything look sooo artificially wholesome and clean and inclusive. People usually want to make cool shit, they want to be badass. Like, picture a kid wanting to play DnD for the first time. They don't want whatever this is, they probably want something badass. I say this because that's what was on my mind way back in the day when I started, I wanted to be a cool hero slaying monsters and shit. This just feels like it was done more to please the ego of someone in the design/development team.They don't even try to understand their own player base anymore.
how old is that pic by now? Has anon living under a rock, or does he simply want to reheat the same argument that has been had a billion times already?
>>98896585>how old is that pic by now?the most recent version is from 2024, so around that time
OP the retarded gaylord is nogames as fuck.
>>98896465>>98896577Thats a picture of random tribesmen. You're complaining that the fat inkeeper looks unadventurous
>>98896723The fat innkeeper is not a mythical fantasy race
>>98896721right is a fanart for Hearthstone, not an official blizzard artwork for Warcraft.
>>98896465It's almost like faggots infiltrated the hobby and changed it to fit their faggy taste.
>>98896723I don't think picturing ''''orcs'''' as this wholesome thing is attractive to the general audience. They could've picked a more brutish and serious looking orc, not this. This doesn't illustrate anything about them or their society, it's just a bunch of happy grey buffy people with tiny tusks.Same for the picture used for elves. Having elves of all different races all at the same time in the same room feels artificial as fuck. What happened to the elves being isolationists? To the drow being a cursed race? NOOOOO can't have that on my new and improved chungus game! Everyone is friends!
>>98896465Why does grandma have her longbow out? Why does the gender-ambiguous badass protagonist in the foreground have a huge double-headed axe *and* sword? These additions feel so superfluous, like the artist remembered that DnD is technically supposed to have combat and that means battle weapons.
>>98896725You're retarded>>98896956They're a core race. They're NOT that in 6e. They have tribes with random workers and fat old grandmas, so the picture reflects their culture in the setting accurately>all the elves at onceBecause the point of the picture is to show the elves? Besides these are societies of millions. Surely at least once you'd have a mixed party even if 99% never left their towns. You dont need an excuse not to like this stuff. If its not to your taste thats fine, you dont need to reach for some way to justify it
>>98897122It's LAME, is what I'm trying to say. They should not try to make the game look lame, they should try to make things look cool and badass first and foremost. No other book up to this point did things as forcedly wholesome as this as far as I remember, it's a recent thing.If the player or DM I guess decides to make a happy happy joy joy campaign or characters that's fine, they're free to do so, but it's an incredibly lame thing to do it on the damn core book. Orcs never were supposed to look like that.
>>98896465Boring, tired, stale and recycled.>>98896721Boring>>98896807Boring, edgy, reactionary tripe.Stop posting this thread.
>>98897153>Orcs never were supposed to look like that.This is just the inevitable progression of anything that goes from antagonistic/nonplayable or monster killfodder to something meant to be seen as a person/people without fail. Anything that is meant to have appeal often has its edges sanded off.
>>98897188You offer nothing.
>>98897153Yes. But thats what it is. If you wherent already boycotting hasbro consider it an excuse to start, or at least to just run an older edition. Its not like anyone actually plays 6e regardless
>>98896807Or more likely you are just retarded nogames.
>>98897264Why are you yapping? The two people in charge of D&D are literal faggots and lgbt activists, it's not really news. Were you born yesterday little timmy?
>>98896577spbp
>>98896956The thought process of wokeoids over at WoC is literally:>Orcs have always been savage and brutal monsters>But Orcs are actually African-Americans>We can't have African-Americans (Orcs) portrayed as savage and cruel>So actually Orcs are a normal race now that we've deconstructed themANOTHER thing noticed is how now every area is widely multiracial. In their modern official campaign books or BG3 you won't find any terrain type dominated by a particular race. Instead if'll practically be evenly distributed, which blows up immersion.You'd expect to find elves concentrated in deep forests.You'd expect to find dwarves concentrated in mountain areasYou'd expect to find humans concentrated in towns on rivers or in port citiesBut none of that matters anymore because apparently everywhere in the forgotten realms has like 124 different races per square kilometer on average.
>>98897275If you had any understanding of the hobby you would not made this retarded thread, nogames tard.
>>98897371Sound like your thought process is penises going into man butts.
>>98897542I was already DM'ing when you were considered for abortion lil gay timmy
>>98897564Then why do you sound like a retarded 12 year old who never played or even opened a tabletop game book? Unlike brain dead faggot like you Those who play tabletop game understand that no one can force a group do or not do something. This is non issue to those who have games or at least understand how the hobby works.
>>98897548Nice projection, loser. Go put penises into your own butts away from me before you get knocked out.
>>98897611Then get going man pooper plunder. Go be retarded somewhere else
>>98897623Shut the fuck up, tranny.
>>98897592You sound extremely mad, gay timmy.
>>98897642No u, retard nogames.
>>98897649Sorry to hear that reading and thinking is so hard for you, nogames, Maybe /hm/ is more your speed.
>>98897653>>98897662Shut the fuck up, tranny.
>>98897662I don't think so gay timmy, I think I'll stay right here and keep calling out gay shit when I want to. I think you'll just have to deal with it.
>>98896577>They don't even try to understand their own player base anymore.Chuds haven't been the majority of the playerbase for damn near 12 years dumbass. If you people weren't a bunch of nogames you'd actually know that D&D is appealing exactly to their target audience.
>>98897592Nta, but this is bullshit. Artwork and fluff dictates gameplay. If a gamebook depicts character choices as faggy and overly wholesome (like 5e) then that is the tone the players will naturally be pushed towards. It works in reverse too, play mork borg and people build edgy murderhobos, cyberpunk you get fucking punks with cyberware. It is undeniable that poofters are the new market focus in traditional gaming, theyve always been around and most people havent had a problem with them, but now the largest games in the market may as well be labeled under poofterpunk as a genre.
>>98897898>Artwork and fluff dictates gameplay.To the weak minded. Everyone else does what they want.
>>98896465It's caused by the intersection of corporate sloppification and neopuritanism. Internet commies vastly overrate the importance of the former, to a great extent because they're neopuritans (as in, the Massachusetts wokescold is literally and physically the direct descendant of the Massachusetts Thanksgiving-hat godbeater), but the latter is actually far more important. They've passed repressive laws to "protect consent" and "protect women from predatory men/online abuse/trafficking" that sound good on paper but actually have the effect of throttling expression. This means that the bottom line of corporations is threatened by publishing anything remotely alive because they either expose themselves to lawsuit risk or have to do shit-tons of onerous compliance or both, which means the corpors withdraw from this to protect shareholder revenues, which, in turn, leads to D&D being reduced to the most bland, inoffensive Care Bear sloppa imaginable (you are here).
>>98897676No u and your gay face, nogames tard.
>>98897678No one needs to hear you talk about yourself, retard.
>>98898043No they fucking dont. If a group sits down to play Deathwatch, they make space marines. If they are playing Pendragon they make Arthurian knights. Even if you are playing GURPS the GM is going to describe a setting that the players will then build characters around.If you are playing 5e and not roleplaying a homo, change games, because why bother playing a fag simulator and not playing as a fag, other options exist.
>>98898136>lil gay timmy is still seething
>>98897898Let me put it this way seeing that you are too busy poking nutsacks than think about the hobby. Before 5e there was pretty much no LGBT in D&D yet people still were playing gay characters pretty much as soon as the game moved outside of Gary's group. That sidebar that stupid nogames got upset about exists because it make WotC look good not because anyone needed Wizard's okay to have LGBT stuff in their games.
>>98898217Good finding yourself, fagtard.
>>98898233Go back a fucking post in the chain. I straight up aknowleged that poofs have always been around, I personally have no problem with gay people or gay characters, that is not the discussion.5e is fag coded. It is poofterpunk. It is Queercore. It is gay as fucking aids. That is its theme, high fantasy in a gay world. Reflective of a very specific americunt progressive worldview, this is most strongly reflected in the official adventures printed for the game, which are full of they/thems, pink haired and homosexual imagery/characters.At this point its stopped being an "inclusive" game, it is LGBT media just like thirsty sword lesbians is. Hell this isnt even a bad thing, poofs deserve their own games too, and 5e is one of them.If this upsets you, stop playing 5e, try something less gay, like having sex with men.
>>98898285So you were being a stupid faggot and not reading the post. okay then.
>>98898313I read your shit, youre just deluded. The queer content in 5e isnt some inclusive sidebar, it has rapidly become the theme of the game in the same way space marines are the theme of deathwatch. It is no longer about "having lgbt stuff in your games" because by virtue of it being 5e it contains homosexuality, in the same way it contains dice.
>>98896465tl;dr kill yourself souless mutt
>>98897898>Nta, but this is bullshit. Artwork and fluff dictates gameplayit doesn't you're just uncreative and a bitch. HURRRRR I SAW GAY KISS NOW I MUST MAKE PEOPLE GAY KISS HURRR I HAVE NO AUTONOMY please man I'm begging you kill yourself. do in front of your loved ones (nobody) and do it with like an oven or drown yourself I like my guns and I don't need a no game pussy like yourself from adding to the suicide statistic thanks.
>>98896465We know. Why did you make another thread about it?
>>98896465It started way before the orcs
>>98898499D&D is not a game for creatives, its a queer coded entry level game for beginners to the hobby. If you dont like the Lgbt focus of the game you should play something else, what you are currently doing is no different to trying to play battletech without the mechs.
>>98896465>It's insane how faggy modern d&d isHave you SEEN some of the 3.X edition art?>Check this official artwork for instance. Does that appear to be a band of hardened treasure hunters?No, it appears to be expanding worldbuilding for the core setting.>They're more akin to a Fortnite style band of Marvel capeshit characters where a lesbian orc female spouts off le epic badass one-liners.Genuinely you need to take your meds.>Dnd is now officially about doing goofy shit and never failing.Again, you're a retard with no games as has been expressed ITT.>Officially at least, all seriousness has been ground out of the game.Yeah! As opposed to TSR D&D which had laser pistols, and space ships, and cowboys, and... huh, it's almost like you're full of shit!>Thank god d&d was designed from the ground up to be completely homebrewable.That is just not true, especially of 3e and 4e.>You just know WoC would ban homebrewing if they could somehow enforce it, so you can buy their bland modules.Now this I can agree with, they can't even write a good module as advertised. The newest one from Arcana Unleashed pitches itself as a module about espionage and secrecy but two of the three initial encounters are like "Durr fight time no you can't negotiate what are you stupid?">>98896491Because OP posted a dick pic because OP is, as is the universal rule, a faggot.
>>98897898>Artwork and fluff dictates gameplay.Maybe if you're a brainless sheep. I have never once let the artwork for a game manual influence my gameplay with a system. Hell, most of my own TTRPGs don't have any art because it means I have to:>Pick art out from the internetNot an issue since I don't charge for my systems, I believe TTRPGs shouldn't be a hobby scalped to shit and should be free to play, but could run the ire of the artists who drew the art.>Draw my own artDoable, I did it for the species in my own take on a Modern/Contemporary Fantasy system, but a huge time sink and pain in my ass.>Commission artExpensive, and redundant because I can draw myself. If you're good enough with words you don't need art, and if you're working with more than one brain cell art and flavor text can only influence your game so far when it's the mechanics that determine the tone of a game more than any of that nonsense.
>>98898360It looks like you just had dicks hit your stupid face.
>>98898622Just because your self importance dictates you need to play some kind of barely constructed homebrew mess does not mean other people do the same.Do you deny that if a person was to play a warhammer 40k themed roleplaying game, deathwatch, rougue trader etc that it would be ridiculous for them to deny the game is warhammer 40k themed?ignoring the characters, artwork and fluff contained within the book and then claiming anyone who recognised it as warhammer 40k themed was simply "not creative".Denying 5e is gay themed is no different, yes it is true you can ignore it in the same way you can ignore the word bolter in deathwatch, but why do that when alternatives, such as your own examples exist instead?
>>98896465that >pic rel is from the Magic Wild West set (with no guns, but a nod to Eric Clapton), isnt it? outlaws at thunder junction
>>98898655At this point it is unclear? Are you mad about the idea that 5e is gay? Because you really should not have such a powerful attachment to such a bad game. Or are you gay and offended by mean words like poofter? In which case i am sorry for triggering your feelings my bum loving friend.
>>98898744D&D is as gay or not as your group makes it. Whatever WotC is doing with art or sidebars matter little to a group that just doing it's own things. What is clear is that you are retarded and never even tried to play tabletop games.
>>98898933"Battletech contains as many or as few mechs as your table desires, whatever catalyst do in their art or flavor text matters little to a group that wants to ignore any part of the book containing mechs" this is how you sound, 5e's gayness is not just "some art" or "a sidebar" it is close to half the art including full page dedications to gay love, it is characters throughout over a dozen suppliments and adventures, not just pictures of a single rainbow haired teifling, but iconic characters like strahd are now being depicted as lgbt.This is fine, its a queer positive game, it makes no sense to deny it at this point.
>>98899153All that text to tell everyone you are no games and stupid
>>98899161When you have to fall back on the weakest possible ad hominems there are it may as well be a statement of agreeance. So what game do you think you will play next? More closet D&D? Or are you and your mates ready to play a less homosexual game like buttplug tug'o'war?
>>98896465It's not as if I NEED my orcs to be a violent race of pure evil whose soul purpose is to kill and war or anything but I feel like there's a world of difference between that and this. It always has to be the tweeist shit possible with this bozos
>>98898682>Just because your self importance dictates you need to play some kind of barely constructed homebrew mess does not mean other people do the same.I'm a better game designer than any of the retards at WOTC, and certainly better than (you).>Do you deny that if a person was to play a warhammer 40k themed roleplaying game, deathwatch, rougue trader etc that it would be ridiculous for them to deny the game is warhammer 40k themed?Apples to oranges. You're comparing one very specific setting to something that has always been a hodgepodge of random bullshit, all the way back to its inception. But yeah, if the system was worth using or the group wanted to use it, but didn't like the flavor, they could use it for something else. This is extremely common, and you'd know this if you actually played or ran games. For example, despite Marvel TTRPGs existing, most people prefer to use generic Supers TTRPGs because they're just better than the marvel ones mechanically. Doesn't mean you can't run a Marvel game with them.>Denying 5e is gay themed is no differentPoint to the specific mechanics that make it gay themed. Because you won't, because you can't, because it's fantasy kitchen sink themed.>but why do that when alternatives, such as your own examples exist instead?Because the game mechanics offer a specific experience you want for the game you want to run. And despite low IQ faggots like (you) whining about games you don't even know the rules for, let alone run or play, or have ever run or played, every system has a niche. Well almost every system. FATAL just doesn't function, same with shit like Racial Holy War. But 5th edition and 5.5 (which is where the art comes from btw, not 5th ed you retarded faggot), works fine. It's not the best, it's not the worst, it's fine. It is as average as you can get for kitchen sink fantasy. To say otherwise is an outright lie, just as it's a lie to say it's the best game ever.
>>98899225Sorry facts hurt your feel feels, nogames tard.
>>98899153>"Battletech contains as many or as few mechs as your table desires, whatever catalyst do in their art or flavor text matters little to a group that wants to ignore any part of the book containing mechs"First of all yeah, the GM can ban certain options or mechanics from the table. Second, you're again using a hyper-specific system. Third, you're framing this argument disingenuously. A more accurate statement would be "Battletech is a mech combat game, the exact tone and visuals are up to you and your table, so long as you're using the mechanics in the book to play the game, you're still playing Battletech".>5e's gayness is not just "some art" or "a sidebar" it is close to half the art including full page dedications to gay love,Citation fucking needed. Also that constitutes "some art" and flavor text, which can be completely ignored with no consequences for the game's mechanics.> it is characters throughout over a dozen suppliments and adventures, not just pictures of a single rainbow haired teifling, but iconic characters like strahd are now being depicted as lgbt.This is fine, its a queer positive game, it makes no sense to deny it at this point.Buddy, I don't know how to break it to you, but vampires have always been pretty fruity. Like at the least metrosexual, making strahd a faggot doesn't really change much and you know the best part? You don't have to! If you're the GM, he can be as much of a straight white chud incel as you want. Nobody can stop you.>This is fine, its a queer positive game, it makes no sense to deny it at this point.That's a table to table thing unless your system explicitly has mechanics to make your character gay or that benefit them for being gay or whatever. Like yeah it's vidya but Fallout New Vegas's optimal build has your character being bisexual. 10% bonus damage to EVERYONE who's a humanoid. If D&D had shit like "do an extra d12 damage to female character if your character is gay and male" I'd agree with you.
>>98897264>It's not actually realCan we just skip like 4 steps to where you say it's actually a good thing? Then there could be an argument
>>98899269>Citation needed.Strixhaven a curriculum of chaos, page 124. Quests from the infinite staircase, page 101. Theres more, i just cant be bothered going through every book on my shelf. Which leads to the next point.>d&d is a ruleset.5e is not the players handbook or the Dmg it is the entirety of its well over 30 supplements, this includes both sourcebooks and adventures. I understand these are not to your specific taste, but they are as much a part of the game as the core 3, and the fact is that they get more queer coded with every release. >strahd is a vampire so it doesnt matter.He was just an example, specifically of a character that was not excplicitly queer in previous editions but now has book space covering his bisexuality. >no games chud who doesnt understand the game.I have every book released for 5e, and i play it as it is currently intended. My current character is a gay orc paladin in a pink cloak for fucks sake, who is a straight rip off of the gay orc cop i played in the last campaign of shadowrun i was in. Simply put, I play 5e as it is presented, fruity, safe and simplistic.
>>98896465Who are you even trying to engage with your bait, AI-kun?Other bots?
>>98899338No, we just call you are retarded nogames. The people you are assblasted about were in the hobby long before you plopped out your mom and will be there well after you die from cock overdose.
>>98901129>it's always been like thatI think that's step 4 or something
>>98901399I would not call what is going on in your dong addled head thinking, nogames
>>98901399Damnit, you got to that before I did. I dont think I've ever seen the entryists so assblasted before. Whatever it is is now looping.
>>98901443Yeah he's having a meltdown over this thread, which is weird because calling this shit gay is what we've done constantly for years over here. It's like there's a new wave of trounrists from reddit or something.
>>98901443>>98901461>entryists>It's like there's a new wave of trounrists from reddit or something.Sounds like projection there. Maybe if you stopped to think (hard that is for you) about what is being said you would understand why you are being called a retarded nogames.
>he's still seething
>>98901461For me, it's the increasingly desperate attempts at gaslighting. I feel bad engaging with them in any sort of good faith like 5 years ago.
>>98901589Indeed. They argue like retarded women. Which I guess is part of the roleplay.
>>98901589>durr durr gaslighting derp. Implying dumb faggots like you even tried engaging in good faith.>>98901611The only roleplay retards like you know is trying and failing to sound like you even looked in a tabletop related book.
>>98896465Then go stop them. I believe in you.
