There are two classes. Spellcaster and martial. Everything else is just arbitrary fluff you abide by because you are retarded.
>>98881819If you're talking about D&D, then spellcasting is more appropriate for war than mundane weapons.
I'd leave a carve-out for a Guile position that encompasses technical skills ranging from stealth to art to diplomacy to hands-on technique such as lockpicking or craftsmanship. As Spellcaster encompasses Wizard/Cleric/Druid and Martial encompasses Fighter/Monk/Barbarian, Guile umbrellas Bard/Rogue/crafters.
>having more engaging gameplay options is "arbitrary fluff"okay then
>>98881915You're still a victim of the retarded arbitrary prison. There's no reason your wizard/knight can't sneak around silently unless you purposely impose retarded arbitrary shackles onto yourself. There's no reason your wizard/knight can't be good at lockpicking unless you purposely impose retarded arbitrary shackles onto yourself. There's no reason your wizard/knight can't be a skilled orator unless you purposely impose retarded arbitrary shackles onto yourself.
>>98882054There's no reason a Wizard can't throw a punch and there's no reason a Fighter can't use a magic item, either. You're just dragging the tennis net from side to side on the court, not removing it.
>>98882067>There's no reason a Wizard can't throw a punch and there's no reason a Fighter can't use a magic itemWhich post of mine did you misunderstand so badly such that you thought this was a rebuttal to it?>You're just dragging the tennis net from side to side on the court, not removing it.Like any good groundskeeper i'm keeping the big clear obvious tennis net while removing the other 900 tiny, vague, retarded and arbitrary (henceforth referred to as R&A) ones i see on the court.
>>98881819Based
>>98881841spellcasting is also appropriate for non-combat uses, while martials aren't, so they are called martials because they can only do that, not because they're the best at it
>>98882067That wouldn't be a retarded argument if anyone said that only the fighter class can throw a punch, but they didn't so it is.
crafterpet class
Thank god I never had to play D&D to play RPGs.
>>98882100How do i stop making my characters R&A?
>>98882142Step 1: Stop playing DnDStep 2: Think of what would be fun to play instead of treating character creation like a character select screen in a fighting game
>>98881915that just limits what little a martial can do and there's nothing stopping a spellcaster from using their skillsalso bards are full casters
>>98881819>Still playing systems with classesare you 12?
>>98882159What if i think playing a character who's good at everything is fun?
>>98881819There are no classes at all.
>>98882288Then it's the system's responsibility to put limitations on you. You want to be a wizard who's good at archery? It takes 100 headshots to go from amateur to proficient. How much time do you want your wizard to spend plinking arrows and missing?
>>98881819Sure, if you remove any mechanical nuance I guess. By that logic, there is only one class, Adventurer, and everything else is just arbitrary fluff you abide by because you are retarded. I mean, both make attacks, both do damage, they're literally the same thing. Maybe you should stop playing dnd you unthinking sheep.>>98882310>It takes 100 headshots to go from amateur to proficient. That is the most retarded shit I've ever read. Thanks for outing yourself as the nogames retard you are. TTRPGs aren't fucking Runescape, you aren't spending 30 sessions doing the same repetitive bullshit to get 1 rank in a skill. If you are, congrats, that game is dogshit.
>>98882054Sounds like you just want freeform theatershit.
>>98882159NTA, but my enjoyment of games increased exponentially after I stopped playing D&D, but when I played D&D, there was no point when I thought of anything as retarded as screens or fighting games. There is so much wrong with your analogy, that I wonder how you're even able to use a device to make your retarded posts in the first place. Are you asking a handler to do it for you?
>>98881819What if I want to be a spellblade?
>>98881819martials are just spellcasters specialized in physical castingspellcasters are just martials specialized in brain weapons
>>98881819So, special person and regular person.
>>98883888Lmao you need magic to feel special
>>98881819>5e is implied
>>98884649It doesn't even matter what game system is implied, it's still just shitty bait.
>>98881819Why do you think so, OP?
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This utter retardation is what playing only D&D does to the brain.
Why is it so hard for you reductionist faggots to understand the concept of aesthetics, flavoring, and archetypes? You genuinely come odd as soulless robots.
>>98887083Contrarians ARE soulless robots. They're subhuman filth that needs to be exterminated for the good of humanity. They don't care if something is good or bad, they care if it's mainstream or ignored, and if it is ignored it's "based" or whatever.
Create a triangle of three core classes/archetypes>Fighter>Magician>ExpertThen from each combination of two of these classes/archetype break down two more classes/archetypes>Expert-Fighter>Thief (more Expert than Fighter)>Duelist (more Fighter than Expert)>Fighter-Magician>Paladin (more Fighter than Magician)>Warmage (more Magician than Fighter)>Expert-Magician>Adept (more Expert than Magician)>Charmer (more Magician than Expert)There you go: these 9 classes should be enough to represent most archetypes found in fantasyWant a ranger? Choose a Duelist that specialize in survival skillsNot that kind of ranger? No problem, choose a Warmage and give him nature magic (cuz magic users should be free of choosing the spells they desire without arbitrary limitations)A pirate? Either a Duelist or a Thief are fiendBard? Adept specialized in musicSeductress gypsy? Choose a Charmer!Everything is covered!>What about priests and warlocks?Classes based off entities you associate with are stupidAnyone can worship a god, or gods, or whatever eldritch entity you can think of; doing that shouldn't be left exclusive to classes
>>98881819why stop there? why shouldn't a fighter be capable of using magic?
Always relevant.
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>>98888931Rolling.
>>98881819No classes.
>>98881841Not what martial and caster mean and you're never going to succeed.
>>98881929Who are you quoting?
>>98882947you're so close to getting it kek
>>98887083What gave you the impression that any of these things implies or requires the existence of classes?
>>98888770No.
>>98881819Spells are just grimoire punk tech.Swords are iron in a useful shape.Specialization is for ants.-Actual Vancian fiction
>>98889020Name one good classless system. GURPS doesn't count, it's not good.
>>98889107prowlers and paragons, as per usual, idiot.
>>98889086So you're subhuman contrarian filth who thinks that because he pretends he plays one obscure glup shitto classless TTRPG he's hot shit? Good to know that you could get gunned down in the street and nothing of value would be lost.
>>98889549Nope, you lost the argument, sorry. If you reply you're mad.
>>98889089What gave you the impression that being a contrarian subhuman faggot was a replacement for a personality?>>98889525Keep that name out of your mouth you contrarian filth, it's too good of a system for a waste of matter like you.>>98889552So I hit the nail on the head then? Good to know you're malding and coping. Of course if your actual point is "D&D IS LE BAD" please kill yourself, you are subhuman because you're no better than a useless spambot. In fact I'm pretty sure Chat GPT has more of a soul than you and it's literally a soulless machine.
Yep, mad. lol
>>98889556>no argumentI accept your concession. Please, kill yourself for the good of humankind you subhuman failure that should have been aborted.
mad :)
>>98888914Man I remember that. Spawned some great memes.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRHi9oyMXqE
>>98881819>There are two directions. Up and Down, Everything else is just arbitrary fluff because OP is retarded.>There are two flavors. Chocolate and Vanilla. Everything else is just arbitrary fluff because OP is retarded.
>>98881841Maybe, but for one you can't expect every average Joe to have access to the expensive components and be smart enough to cast spells, and spells are very limited, you can only cast a few per day.Granted, a handful of wizards casting fireball, earthquake, meteor shower or any cloud spell would be pretty impressive, but cannons and trebuchets can do much, too, and they don't need magic.
