Tables full of Games editionPrevious Thread: >>98830334Pastebin: https://pastebin.com/h8Tz2ze8Somewhat dusty survey results: https://pastebin.com/scAkFdTvTQ:>Did you ever visit a convention?>Why did you or would you ever visit a convention?>What news do you expect from Spiele Essen convention?
Princess cosplay edition!
>>98870913Whats TGZ?The Great Zimbabwe?
>>98872008>Did you ever visit a convention?No>Why did you or would you ever visit a convention?With increasing age, I am beginning to think I would hate it. Where I had no problems with festivals and continous noisiness 10 years ago, I have begun to notice very large gatherings stress me out. Not in the faggot sense of oh no I am too sensitive I can't deal with it but rather in a well navigating through a crowded and noisy hall would cost me more energy than it's worth.>What news do you expect from Spiele Essen convention?Lotsa good games. Looking forward to takes on -60°C and Medico. And a lot of stuff that's not that hot I've forgotten the names of.
>>98872065Thats understandable. It is very full and alot of waiting lines. I hate it too when you reach some bottleneck or heavy frequented table and have to wait to pass or get a look.The noise is acceptable but can be distracting when you are in the gaming area.
Did you know GW has a 40K Lasertag arena?
>>98872301Thats a big room they have to pay to the convention team.
And the Winner is….Top 10 German Game Award 20261. Artengarten - Mathias Wigge (Feuerland)2. Boss Fighters QR - Lukas Zach and Michael Palm (Pegasus Spiele)3. Galactic Cruise - T. K. King, Dennis Northcott and Koltin Thomson (PD-Verlag)4. Herr der Ringe: Das Schicksal der Gemeinschaft - Matt Leacock (Z-Man Games)5. Take Time - Alexi Piovesan and Julien Prothière (Libellud)6. Rebirth - Reiner Knizia (Frosted Games)7. Cozy Stickerville - Corey Konieczka (Unexpected Games)8. Am Goldenen Fluss - Keith Piggott (Kosmos)9. Star Trek – Captain‘s Chair - Nigel Buckle and Dávid Turczi (Frosted Games)10. Mischwald: Dartmoor - Kosch (Lookout Games)
>>98872321You have to collect species and manage a Zoo.
>>98872321The German Kids Game Award 2026 is Toriki. After a shipwreck you strand on an island. You have to organise the society now.
For everyone who want some photos, i found this gallery.reich-der-spiele.de/spiel26-fotos
>>98872029It is indeed, my zabibi habibi
>>98872387Nice that you/the anon? Had fun and found another friendly player,
>>98872400Reminder that these are the components you pay +€70 for
>>98872321>ArtengartenIt has already been released? I have heard absolutely nothing in my bg sphere about it, which is exactly what I'd expect
>>98872457that and the rules, 70 quid for a very replayable almost forever game is a good deal, and it's got a unique artstyle too.
>>98872457Cool.
>>98872295I suppose I should have said I can't imagine to visit a purchase and novelty focussed con. Ones where actually playing the game is the focus seem rad.I just can't see what use it'd be to wait 15-60 minutes in line to play 2-3 turns of a game. Like, you can't really get a feeling for gameflow, balance, you probably don't even all the mechanics unless it's a very light partyish game or tricktaker.
>>98872349Do you get to crush your superego under a big rock?
>>98872008>Did you ever visit a convention?All the time - I try to go to a couple local ones and one on the East Coast and one on the West Coast each year.>Why did you or would you ever visit a convention?It's a great way to meet new gamers in your area and it's a great way to get into games you couldn't get your regular groups to play and get introduced to games that you don't particularly want to buy (ie Imperial Borders).>What news do you expect from Spiele Essen convention?Nothing. Spiel continues to underwhelm. Most of the good stuff gets announced during Origins now.>>98872556My recommendation is to check out tabletop.events for cons in your area. They usually have a game schedule where you can sign up for games so you're not stuck just wandering around or playing shit you don't want to play. For the better cons, you can spend the entire time gaming instead of half of the time looking for games.
Introduced another couple of people to Ruins of Arnak. The second game was with the expansion.The expansion is all sorts of good stuff. The big thing is of course, the leaders. I love asymmetry in games, and while the leaders don't throw the game on its head, most have either something you would expect and want (more workers) or some interesting gimmick. These kinds of things may introduce some level of pigeonholing or dependencies and make the game more luck based, but the jury's out on that.New rule increasing the number of cards cleared from the market each round was very welcome and frankly necessary with how clogged up it constantly gets with shit nobody wants. I very much like how the Monkey temple concentrates reward tiles in one place so that people who pass first don't just gobble up all of them and get a compounding advantage on the research track.Overall, the game is getting more bloated and annoying to set up and tear down, but I think this expansion justifies itself. We'll see how it holds up after more plays.
Today I taught my 6 year old bullet today and a grand time was had.Timer based rounds is a bit beyond her, but seeing light bulbs go off on recognizing patterns, squeals of delight getting Star clear bonuses, and the smugness in sending a bunch of bullets Dad's way is an absolute treat to watch.
>>98872828Loser cope.
Am I crazy or just imagining this?Discord took over Facebook, which had replaced classic Forums which are 90% dead/gone now. If I want to find players, I'm best off hitting up every FLGS Discord in my area... but that wasn't an issue years ago. It worked great then. Now the invite links are hidden and/or expired and never refreshed, while the Facebook pages are half dead and/or older players only. I had to drive to the FLGS to get into the Discord to see how active any particular game is, and every FLGS Discord that doesn't make itself a walled garden is having issues with culling bots and spam every week.I just want to find players for games.
>>98872400>>98872029>>98872457I snagged a copy awhile back and have been waiting to get it to the table. I really liked their other games.FYI you're paying 70-120$ for the sheer playtesting and depth Splotter puts into their stuff. For 70-120$+ I'd compare it to decent Chess and Go sets.
>>98873173are you surprized that with a name like that it puts distance between people?
>>98873173Are you moving a lot? What I can't help but notice is how you have apparently been visiting these open game nights for years yet haven't found a decent group. Which I have always assumed was the point of going to public meetings, finding likeminded souls with whom you can dodge the horrors that stalk such meetups
>>98873200I'm 99% sure even some pretty eurosloppy shit like SETI has been tested an order of magnitude more than splotters. Not to dismiss them, don't get me wrong, but the little meetup in which they test their games aren't special. Again, not dissing their games per se, I even own TGZ. Just fuck every single thing about splotter but the gameplay their games provide, that is all.
>>98873173meetup you dumbass. if there isn't one you can start one for less than a game costs and that's barring piggy backing on some adjacent group as buying one group give you three so most group owners will have two spares. and that's all assuming there aren't already meetups active in your area.
>>98873232I think very much that should be the long term plan but just having multiple tables so you can try a lot of games and avoid players that are that guy. all my social experiences are pre-covid which I think really killed what was turning into a golden age of board game groups.
what is thisdid I timeslip againwtf is this thread, it isn't /bgg/
>>98872015I have personally fucked both of those sluts in their tight asses, pulled their hair back and fed my cock fresh from their anus into their gasping mouths, held my hand under the chin and felt them swallow rope after rope of my cum, and proceeded to bend them back over and fill their still gaping buttholes with piping hot frothy dark yellow piss.Boardgamesedly speaking, they are really good at knowing the rules but chill enough to let a few things slide once in a while as long as the spirit of the fun is preserved. They don’t care for card games that much but they will play them with you if it’s largely luck based.
>>98873263We buried the Jaipur Maglev guy in 2018 anon. How bad of a slip did you suffer?
>>98873232I've been going to meetups for around 2 years. I do play at houses of people I met at the meetups but those people still go to the meetups and when they have people over it's usually the meetup timeslots on weeks where there's no meetup. There are a handful of people I don't like playing with at the meetups but most of the people are cool. aren't fixed tables but the regulars tend to end up at similar tables. From what I've heard some of them have been attending for over 15 years. I think the reason people are going to the meetups when they could be hosting a single curated table at their own house is that coordinating and hosting is a pain in the ass.
>>98873232>Are you moving a lot?Rotating genres every few years. TTRPGs, TCGs, LCGs, HWGs, Board Games, mainline wargames, AWGs, etc, are all different circles of people. I'll get really into, say competitive card games for a few years, and by the time I'm bored with it half the active playerbases of other games are gone and replaced by something else. Literally only 40k, MTG, and D&D remain the same, everything else is dust in the wind.Years ago Facebook was the most solid, and got me a nice RPG group, but we're wrapping up and I want to do other things, so I've embarked to check out all the Discords, and it's looking best for a quick "Anybody down for (list of board games) this weekend".>>98873247Meetup is a mix of Public Libraries collecting people who fail the sniff test and can't get into private groups for a reason, and people who have curated what's effectively a closed group who's known everyone in it for years rotating between Greg's house (His wife needs everybody out by a certain hour), Jim's basement (ignore the angry notes on your windshield they won't actually Tow you), and Nathan's 1-bedroom apartment he somehow crammed a full size gaming table into just squeeze in between the dirty laundry basket and the Futon.Discord/Facebook is "Anybody want to X on Saturday?" and we book a table and buy snacks.
>>98873277But did they let you see their well and their magic whirly vortex?
>>98872463Yes.>>98872457Thats expensive. I guess you pay for the developement. And isnt the publisher a small company?
>>98873447>And isnt the publisher a small company?The entire company is two part-timers.
>>98873468I mean at this point, they have to be making enough money from board games, probably FCM alone. Are they quant guys for Wall Street so as to not want to quit their jobs?
>>98873678One of them founded a cybersecurity company and the other one founded a healthcare tech company.https://sandgrain.com/about-us/https://www.silverfit.com/en/about-silverfit/
>>98845595picked up my 20 Strong today and played half a game to learn. First impression is that it's really quite cool that they've designed a seemingly deep and and immersive roguelike in a small box. I had fun and I'm about to play it properly now. Seems like there might be quite a bit of variation and potential builds between runs. I'm actually very curious how the other games in the series use the core bones of the game to implement different ideas - the only common feature as far as i can tell is the combat structure, the 20 dice and the dial but they all use it differently. I guess they all have the "pick a hero, defeat the bosses to win" thing though.The rulebook was somewhat confusing in one particular aspect, and I even followed along with their interactive tutorial app yet couldn't get clarification on something until I watched a Youtube video,The cards are really nice, great production. I know Chip Theory is known for that but I've only played their games like twice cus i'm a poorfag. Looks like there's a lot of game here, and it only cost me 23 GBP which is really good value considering the production quality and what looks to be quite a few hours of game.I don't mind the theming of Little Red Riding Hood yet I don't love the actual art direction, but it's nice enough.Anyone else played this series? I definitely want to try Etherfields and Tainted Grail eventually.You can play the deck I purchased on BGA if you're curious, I didn't know that until after I bought it though.
>>98873417This seems interesting but how translucent is the well cover?
>>98873468>>98873447>>98872457> splotter expensive >:(Splotter makes a point of manufacturing local in the Netherlands, and tries to do small batch runs only to never over-manufacture.>>98873730>cybersecurity and healthcare techPhD in Mathematics, PhD in Cryptography, and a Physics degree, but board game development is their hobbyI'd argue they're the most overeducated board game designers on the market other than Dr. Reiner Knizia.
Feels so good to have Pax gf
>>98873908This is PNP? The cards look nice.
>>98873931It is, yeah
>>98873908Jealous as mine loves pax pam, enjoyed pax porf, but has yet to learn pax h+ or pax ren.
>>98873948I started her with Ren immediately and she liked it a lot. Took a while but she's finally getting it.
>>98873944Got a link?
>>98874096https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1822956559
>>98872556You cant say that it isnt “playing a game“-Focus. But it really is waiting line focused. There are certain booths were you can book a timeslot or sign in a list.
>>98872640Perfect answers, you won!Joke asside. Yes, thanks to social media, publishers already announce their games before cons. And Spiel is just a con were you can look and demo play those games you read about.
>>98873894There is a Youtube video and it is good to see the pictures
>>98874134I would very much make a distinction between playing and demoing a game, though. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I haven't heard anyone mentioning an area with open tables where you can actually play your games? All it has is games being demoed.
>>98874198I've never been to a board game convention but I've gone to several anime conventions with a board game room where you could borrow games and play them at open tables. It would be very strange if board games conventions didn't have that.
>>98873744Under Falling Skies and Gloomhaven Buttons and Bugs mog them hard.
>>98873904Wait, I preordered the new edition of Indonesia and throughout their updates they made it clear it was being produced in China.
>>98875119What if I'm not looking for a campaign game, and really disliked UFS?
>>98873908Is she fat and/or ugly though? Be honest.
>>98875195>really disliked UFSThen there is no hope for you. Aside that you could take a look at One Deck Dungeon, Warps Edge and if you are lucky enough find a copy of Space Hulk Death Angel.
>>98875221>if you are lucky enough find a copy of Space Hulk Death Angel.Ive already played that and it was mid.
>>98873904>Splotter makes a point of manufacturing local in the NetherlandsLook their games are really good but splotter stockholm syndrome is real. They don't produce locally (anymore, at least) and if they had any interest in having others take care of the annoying logistical work that producing a boardgame comes with, there are a lot of publishers hungry for the licences. But they choose not to, or to do so for borderline scammy prices (see the whole capstone story). Personally, I believe the limited printruns are only a thing because they don't pay for a warehouse but store it in the garage of wiersingas second house. Their games can are unique, often very good AND they are utter jews. Both can be true
>>98874198You are right. It is mostly demo tables. There are sometimes tables where you can borrow some games.
>>98874096Idk why he isn't sharing the actual print files but I've got some I can post later if he doesn't
>>98875797>there are a lot of publishers hungry for the licences.To my knowledge only Capstone Games and All-Aboard Games have bitten.
>>98875119thanks I guess, i'll check out the Gloomhaven one. i have been meaning to get Under Falling Skies for some time. But i'll keep playing this for the meantime though desu since I've had it a few days and played a couple more times I'm starting to see the limitations.
>>98875119what are your main criticisms of 20 Strong btw
>>98872321So German Game now means multiplayer solitaire or at best "competitive" worker placement?
>>98876934Deutscher Spielepreis is for games released in German within the last year that were popular in Germany. The winners are decided by a voluntary response survey.
>>98876539The hearsay is that more are interested but splotter apparently takes a extraordinarily high share. Allegedly Capstone barely broke even with the Bus reprint because of that. All hearsay, as said, but I believe it.
>>98876934>Top 10 German - Game Award - 2026Better? You are such a pea numerator.
>>98873277Did you seriously do that to them? That makes me jealous
What are some of the easiest games to get to the table and get going for a group of 4?
>>98877778Root
>>98878021fuck you motherfucker, stop recommending this shit even ironically>>98877778Is your group retarded? If not:>RPGMerchants & Marauders (wonder why this fell out of being mentioned)>4XClash of Cultures>EconomicFood Chain Magnate>goofy funGalaxy Trucker>dudes on a mapUh oh...
>>98877778Just play kemet
I went to the FFG website (which has a new design despite the one they've had for over decade being perfectly fine) and the product document archive doesn't work. I understand redesigns but how do you fuck up static links to PDF files? This is the one page that you should NEVER change or mess with. I'm honestly so fed up with this companies managed decline into irrelevance. They used to be the hottest board game publisher that wasn't Hasbro or Asmodee and now they're nothing.
I like janky izzet decks where you assemble card draw engines and burn opponents based on the number of cards you draw and deal damage based on the number of cards in hand in MTG - board games for this feel?
>>98878259The thing is Fantasy Flight was never the most honest company on the block. But even when they made cash grab IP games like Star Wars Rebellion or X-Wing they'd make something interesting instead of just phoning it in.
>>98878267Are you owlbro? I don't post in that thread anymore but I miss owlbro
>>98878267The White Castle
>>98878259A bunch of websites overnight have updated sites.I assume its related to the php crisis from last week.
Wish me luck anons, I havent tried to foment a revolution in like 5 years.This is vs 3 militant factions so my goose may already be cooked.
>>98878191>Merchants & Marauders (wonder why this fell out of being mentioned)You already replied to the answer >>98878021
>>98877778Splendor (Get the Pokemon ver. if you can)Trick to the future, or any trick taking gameCastle ComboFlamecraftMagical AthleteMediciCoffee Rush
>>98879344>or any trick taking gameNot any.
>>98878768the two games have nothing in common though
>>98879853I think anon is saying both are shit
Mage Knight Apocalypse Dragon looks like a bit of a scam, but are there any good new scenarios? The four horsemen scenario looks interesting, and proxying the horseman tokens looks simple enough.
>>98878512I've never been so happy to no be responsible for any sites any more.
>>98879344Splendor is ass bro, you're ass bro. Not even reading the rest.
>>98878191>(wonder why this fell out of being mentioned)because it is an endless slog, nothing but fiddling and bookkeeping. there's no game in the game.
Last week has been yuge for board games. I spent a week back home with my childhood frens and I made them try food chain magnate (1 game plus half of another) and pax ren. Then we also had a (sadly not 6p) 4p twilight imperium
>>98880726Is there such a thing as a 6p 4p twilight imperium?
>>98880729Uh
>>98880724That is true, and yet it was popular on /bgg/ at some point. It's randomness upon randomness upon randomness, and as someone who hates luck-based games broadly I still pull it out once in a couple of years to have some dumb, Snakes and Ladders on gorilla steroids, type fun.
>>98878441thanks, i actually almost bought this last year from brick-and-mortar but didn't know much about it and then found it for half the price online so i walked out the shop and subsequently forgot about it. true story, hardto believe though. i'll buy it
>>98878441>>98881118It has barely anything in common with your criteria though. It is, however, an excellent destillation of the euro formula and offers almost the same experience in 30-45 minutes as one of the blander +2h heavy euros
>>98878582Patria o Muerte, Venceremos!
>>98881467Fucking phenomenal anon.In the end, I fell 2 points shy of winning, Rats dragged a bloody and ravaged forest into an inhospitable new era.
>>98877778Chicago Express.
>>98878267Dale of Merchants. with the right animal species in the mix it can be anything from the most combo heavy cardgame to a slow and tactical struggle for every card to even a lolrandom take-that fest.
>>98873277Those are men on drag, anon. Care to explain yourself?
>>98880729yes, it's called Eclipse
>>98880701Anon mentioned:>the easiest games to get to the table and get going for a group of 4He never said anything about how good a game can be for a group of 4. You'll be surprised how popular these games are among casualfags and newcomers.
>>98880729The better question would be, "Is there such people who can handle +6p Twilight Imperium?"
Heard really good things about Gibberers in the last months, it seems very much amazing if you like wordbased games and apparently the translation is out so it doesn't cost obscene amounts of money while effectively unusable because it's in moonrunes. Anyone tried it?It might also have the worst box art I've seen in recent memory
>>98881610I still need to update this chart but I haven't played with the new factions to get a feel on how they operate yet.
>>98882171>balatro bats
>>98881779thanks man, it seems like there's 3 in the series. Is getting just the first one worth it? Found it fpr cheap but if the sequels are superior I'll consider spending extra
>>98882559>here's 3 in the series. Is getting just the first one worth it? Found it fpr cheap but if the sequels are superior I'll consider spending extrathere's like 5 actually. a complete edition with some rebalancing is being crowdfunded iirc. First and second would be great, but first only is fine
Which version of Bohnanza do I buy for the largest player count? It seems to have a billion editions.
>>98877778Spirit Island or Pax Pamir 2e
>>98882590thanks, just ordered the first one and found the third for cheap so i'll see how it goes. I think my 8 year old son and 10 year old nephew might enjoy it, I got them into Dominion and built them some shitty magic decks recently and they've taken to it.
>>98882675I miss him, bros
>>98882720He's right here, silly
>>98882771Can i make a request to have a Zenith or Tagteam exile edit?
>>98882916Are you Naïade?
>>98882981>always thought Naïade was a girl>look up portfolio>Xavier
support your LGS brojust pay 30% extra per game bro
>>98882637Is Pax Pamir even good?
>>98882637Is Pax Pamir even good? I'm not really a fan of historical flavor games, especially not whatever setting this is.But the gameplay seems interesting?
>>98883218When it was brought to my house in summer of 2019, it was all the 5 of us played for months on end.You have a gang of opportunistic scumbags and it is a grand old time.
>>98881610>Woodland Alliance putting up American and British propaganda postersAnon, I...
>>98875797>they are utter jewsWouldn't letting a bigger and more professional publisher deal with production logistics be more profitable for them in the long run?
>>98883338Anon, its just posters that feature cats.Because, yknow, the Marquis.With one pro Marquis poster being covered by one with kitty being lit up. You can leave you geopolitical preferences at the door and turn your brain off.This is Root, after all.
>>98883412They don't care about profit, they're already rich and do this as an hobby so they would rather have complete creative control while keeping the extra work load of running a game company at a minimum. If anything not having a bigger market share is better for them since they care more about designing games than selling them
>>98883211>>98883218Pax Pamir is a Cole Wherle game. He makes clever games entirely bent around social interaction. He has a history degree, so all his games have some historical anchor.Pax Pamir is streamlined and more intuitive to learn than any other Pax-series game. It has a heavy bent on table politics like all of his games. It's not an engine Tableau builder per say, but kind of looks like one if you ignore the fact you can have wildly different Tableaus and engines after a few turns. The game design rewards players for being flexible and duplicitous. I've once heard it described as "a knife fight in a phone booth".It's really fun if you like table politics and rapidly changing political landscapes. It's one of my favorite games, it's about the heaviest game you can drop on a normie and have it "click" while they're playing it. The production value is really good too.>>98882637Spirit Island is a more classic cooperative Euro. If you want to bicker about turn optimization between players, rather than stabbing each other, you'd want Spirit Island.
>>98883211>>98883218Pax Pamir is basically Pax Renaissance without all the cool bits. The core still works, but if you played Pax Ren or even Pax Porfiriana you'll think Pamir is missing something.
>>98878267Taverns of tiefenthal.Once you add all the modules, you permanently kick out guests and draw more tables than you have guests so you draw your entire deck.
>>98884254Also I love izzet because it's fancy red deck wins but by virtue of it being 2 colors and thus spells require more than 1 mana, makes it infinitely worse than red deck wins.For me it's prowess cantrips and then maximum altitude and nivix cyclops (or piston fist, I forget who) hits you for 20+.
Userscript to hide non-USD geek market listings, and sort them by price.https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/602425-bgg-marketplace-usd-only-sorted-by-price
>>98883484Isn't that antithetical to jewish behaviour though? And kinda based desu.
>>98884325Speaking of BGG, has anyone bought a "Good" quality game with lots of cards from a seller? Looking at a listing with no photos and I'm not sure what to expect if I go for it
Lost my banana racer in Magical AthletesWhat can I replace it with?
>>98884503there's no bananas in your local supermarket? retard
>>98884421Being swamp jews they still price them high because they don't want to risk losing money
>purchase HeroQuest two years ago for the nostalgia>play it once Why am I like this
>>98883484.I don't think the Capstone reprint with completely new art+components and especially pic related make your take look a bit strange.Honestly this discussion is entirely unnecessary but I'm suprised how strong the desire to paint them as "good guys" is
>>98876474Please do, vidya boardgames do nothing for me.
>>98884726You like the novelty and gaming. But setting up a long session run game needs extra motivation. Like being new or a friend wants to play it.
>>98885059I have no friends and my family don't want to play board games. Just my 70 year old mother and she won't put up with anything more complicated than checkers
>>98884503Contact the publisher and ask for a replacement.
>>98884813We look the other way for Knizia too, even though he's super litigious.
>>98884503bad news; you have to buy in bulkgood news; nobody will ever ask you to bring the snacks again
>>988845031. find it dumbfuck2. local 3d print bro
>>98883057just don't be poor bro
>>98885268I don't see people defending the business practices, he clearly is all about designing and inmediately handing it off to someone who'll turn it into loadsamoney. He's still rightfully revered tbqh
>>98885108Than thats your problem. You lack outside motivations.
Which is the best Auction game?
Feels good to actually have physical ownership of my games, bros.
>>98885580Ra shits all over Modern Art
>>98885580Chicago Express with an honorary mention to 1822+
>>98885580Modern Art is fun but ultimately luck based shit with a card type that should be completely reworked. So Ra wins by default.But the actual best auction game is Power Grid.
>>98884457Just ask
>>98885629This is the correct answer. It's such a simple auction with just the right amount of unknowns where it almost takes it into gambling territory."If I pass on this auction, will the plant in the bottom row come up so I can get that one?""What if something else comes out and that plant doesn't move up?""Is it a better idea get a cheaper plant so I have better position in the next phases?"Add in the fact that there a ton of different maps that change each of those parameters on their head and it's hard to argue against PG.
CLANK!
>>98887688UNLOCK!
>Ubongo 3D
SET
>>98888443My SET set has two different tones of purple for the card backs. :(
Game where me and my 4 man group can be complete assholes to each other?
>>98889017The Great Zimbabwe
>>98889017Any Cole Wherle game like Arcs
>>98889017Arcs, TGZ, Pax Pamir, Tammany Hall, Bus, Stationfall, Indonesia, Pax Porfiriana, John Company (jesus the salt this one creates), Excalibur, Startups Merchants & Marauders
>>98889094Easiest one to get to the table? Like low setup time and rules overhead. We've been playing a lot of Dune Imperium, Clank Catacombs, Spirit Island and Yerrafomin MarzInterested in Stationfall, but that looks like a beast.
>>98889120Excalibur for sure.After that, probably Tammany Hall or Pax Pamir.Stationfall is ridiculous. Your first game you probably ignore like half the rules but then game 2, someone realises how data transfer for blackmail works and now the guaranteed winner got fed to the cops and everyone cares about how much power the station has game three and whether cameras are On/Off for comitting violence on humans.But now the doors are all unsealed and the Engineer player has some robot waltz into engineering and jetison the anti matter core and we're all gonna die.
>>98889017Cosmic Frog thrives on scumbags.
>>98889094>>98889064>ArcsYou are just about as much an asshole in Arcs as in any basic bitch DOAM. It might feel worse to be on the receiving side because of the trash action selection mechanism, but that's Wehrle being an asshole, not the player.>>98889017Lots of good games already mentioned. I think Hegemony deserves a mention based on just how much you can collude and abuse each other. Less in a "player X attacked/stole from/blocked player Y" sense (though that is there) and more in the sense of constantly voting against, taxing the fuck out of, underpaying, and generally bullying someone.The game does ask a lot from its players though. You really should engage with all its systems and with each other to get the most out of it.
>>98872773>Overall, the game is getting more bloated and annoying to set up and tear down, but I think this expansion justifies itself.Oh boy, and here comes the twisted path expansion.
>>98889994>>98872773Twisted Paths doesn't much more bloat to setup. Both of the new boards just take the place of the main board and there are some new tiles you add based on board (dark tablets and lanterns). I'd rate the expansions thus -1a) Expedition Leaders (must have - leaders and new temples)1b) Surprise Shipment (if you just want to own the base game but want more replayability for $20)2) Twisted Paths (Owl Temple is the best temple in the game)3) Missing Expedition (The temples aren't that good, the campaign mode is crap, the keystone cards and tiles are gimmicky but it has the two best leaders in the game)
>>98890700Cheers.>best templeDo you vary up your temples between games or do you find that the worse ones don't offer anything redeeming to go back to?>bloatI consider every new type of piece, every separate rulebook, reference card, etc. as bloat. Sorting out the shit you need is a factor, going through different rulebooks for setup/expansion-specific rules keywords is another. Some of it may not be bloat in the narrow sense that you can separate out components you no longer plan on ever touching to another box, but I don't make a habit of doing this in fear of shit getting lost/forgotten. I'll probably do this specifically for the base decks/campsites though, I really doubt we'll be going back from leaders.
>>98889120out of that list i'd say Bus or TGZ but i've never played Excalibur so who knows maybe anon is right
>>98889017Cutthroat Caverns.
Is this as good as I keep seeing people say? Any alternatives if not?
>>98893468>Is this as good as I keep seeing people say?No.>Any alternatives if not?Dune: Imperium
>>98893468>Is this as good as I keep seeing people say?It's mediocre in every way. People hate on Viticulture, but this is just Viticulture, visitors and all, with worse thematic integration and bad deckbuilding on top.>alternatives>dune gameDune 2019. >worker placement/deckbuilding hybridLost Ruins of Arnak.>pure deckbuildingDominion>pure worker placementTzolk'in, 'Gric
>>98893468>Is this as good as I keep seeing people say?I find it does everything it does rather well and for some reason that utterly baffles me it is suprisingly to pick up. Like I've seen people who needed a whole game of handholding in fucking RA play Dunc imp no problem which makes absolutely no sense to me. That said I personally find it a bit meh, I'd rank it between 6-8 depending on how much others and I get fucked/handed victory by the intrigue cards.>AlternativesIn what sense? Deckbuilder light? Game with Dune theme? Worker placement? All of that?
>>98894123Dune 2019 is fantastic, but you really need 5-6 players while Uprising plays fine at all counts.Also fuck Arnak. It's complete solitaire. Consistent. Dry. Dune Imperium is incredibly tight, and you always feels like your plans were just destroyed because the one spot you needed was just taken. They feel nothing alike.
I played sidereal confluence and what a game (I sucked and went last) might be in the peak comfy tier like twilight imperium
>>98895249It's real good but really depends on a good group of players. Has anyone played with the proliferation stuff yet?
>>98894506>Also fuck Arnak. It's complete solitaire.>chooses to play WP and whines about solitaireSure, D:I has auctions, but let's not go too wild over them because they suck ass.Arnak is a better deckbuilder and a better WP game.>small starting decks, new cards go under draw deckBetter planning, less luck, and less frustration over shuffling shenanigans.>no explicit comboingSomething learned decades ago in the ARPG sphere. Sets seem cool on the surface, but they ruin the design. Two ways that apply here are the increased luck factor and the pigeonholing of card selection.>partial separation of card play, workers, and actions in generalThere is a legitimate decision space in doing WP/card-based actions versus not. E.g., whether to prioritise buying a desirable card or digging at a valuable site.There is also much more versatility in how you can go about achieving something because you can stockpile resources and buy actions without depending on the cards.>no intrigue cards, victory cards, or massive VP swings in the last roundAll of which means good play over time is rewarded over getting lucky.
>>98895508Don't get me wrong, Arnak is a soft, gay little game, and I especially understand someone hating the temple research track, but it is far better designed than Dunc. It is honestly baffling how something so mediocre is at the top of BGG charts.>massive VP swings in the last roundJust to illustrate this. A 5+ VP swing in the last round of Uprising is COMMON. This means 12.5% of the game is commonly responsible for >=50% of winning VPs. Call it impact factor of 4.Meanwhile in Arnak, a round represents 20% of the game and the VPs generated in the last round track closer to 40%. Impact factor of 2. It's also more dependent on how well you were able to set up certain things (climbing the research track to start buying the juicy tiles, clearing temples, setting up your deck) to allow you to actually make those gains. Meaning you're not gonna jump from last place to first on the last round, lil gup.
>>98895468I think we played with all the expansions, can't really tell what changes since I have no frame of reference
>>98895508Why do people always review games so heavily on luck? Many games have luck, but good play and experience mitigates it. I think people who hate on DU due to luck just haven't played enough like folks who hate on Slay the Spire being too rng.
>>98895753Your arguments, sir? I just gave you a fairly detailed breakdown.>DU is just like Slay the SpireHoly mother of copes.
>>98893665>centering the 1 instead of the 6what is bro cooking?
>>98895715there are two expansions>Bifurcationadds 9 alt variants to each faction, but they're not recommended for new players because they add more rules for everyone to follow (for example, alt Unity roll dice to see what they want to do, alt Kjas turn into a "must donate everything and get something from donations" psychos, alt Faderan eat tech teams for breakfast, alt bees have a deck of techs instead of a deck of planets)>Proliferationadds a whole bunch of shit, like the Bid Trackers (to do research/colony bids during the trade phase), Alt Colony deck with more wild ideas (like giving twice as much stuff than usual colonies do, but putting that stuff into donations, forcing you to trade it away), and rebalanced starting resource cards (for example, Base Unity with the new start cards draws 3 colonies and picks 1 to keep, and basically everyone starts with more ships).
>>98895810It's literally the same.
>>98895991So your argument starts and ends at "with experience you can mitigate luck". My contention is that I'm reasonably confident I can take games off "pros" in Dunc at a roughly 1/2 ratio, which is a mark of a shit game. A pro should be able to beat an amateur 9 times out of 10 or more. I can't say the same about Arnak because the scores we reach in our games indicate a pro would beat our ass every time. Same goes for Dominion.All of these games have significant amounts of luck. It is healthy for longevity and variety. Only DUNC is in the "brainlet-friendly" category based on just how much luck dominates.If you need reminding, StS is a PvE game, which means A) you play using different rules than the E partB) you only need to pass a certain threshold of deck viability to winNeither is true playing against Ps. There's no amount of grinding DUNC that will prevent me from rushing sandworms and abusing intrigue cards as Paul.
We've evolved
Sts mogs 90% of boardgames
>>98896157Yes very niceNow show the hands in the artwork
>>98896138>I'm reasonably confident I can take games off "pros" in Dunc at a roughly 1/2 ratioYou're a moron, but I'm going to hand out a (you) of appreciation because you frontloaded your post with that information rather than hiding it at the end of 3 paragraphs like some people around here
>>98896246riveting analysis
>>98896138Arnak-pilled
>>98895508DIU has way more interaction than Arnak. Arnak solo feels like multiplayer to me similar to Wingspan.I still think Arnak is the smoother and higher skill ceiling game though.
>>98894123why do people hate on Viticulture?
Civolution on bga is an absolute clusterfuck and made me realize that (duh) all games with lots of small decisions are inherently unsuited for async play. It also made me remember how fucking awesome civolution is
What would you get in the last available space at the top? Note that i'm becoming more casual in my tastes and wouldn't go above ~3.50 complexity, and I'm not a biggest fan of bloat (i.e. SETI). Theme is also relatively important as I have more than enough dry euros. I'm aiming either for a really good "game of the night' kind of game or accessible one for larger crowds that isn't party game.> Dune Imperium: UprisingI actually had Dune Imperium before, I wasn't too thrilled and disliked the moment where you splurge out everything in one round only to get screwed up by some random intrigue, which effectively eliminates you from the game.> Clanks!: CatacombsKinda feels too bloated and fiddly, I owned Clank! In! Space! before which I culled due to one game where one person managed to get rid of their clank cards at the beggining of the game, making the rest of that game miserable.> Heart of CrownI like deckbuilders but I'm not showing this shit to other adults, plus I got Millenium Blades + Trains + Tyrants of the Underdark already. > Feed the KrakenMaybe, I'm not a fan of social deduction games but having 6-7+ player count game for more casual crowd sounds okay.> CelestiaIt seems like I'd like it but I'm hesitant on replayability, plus I have Diamant already.
>>98896797Where is your copy of Kemet good sir?
>>98896440>interactionLike I mentioned with the set cards, I find this to be a kind of surface-level appearance. I consider WPs broadly to have almost no interaction at all. Whether it hurts more to have something blocked in Dunc (it does) is irrelevant to that.So I do agree in a sense - Arnak is more permissive about blocking and it feels less interactive, but I think this is also counteracted by the fact that in Arnak you have to consider other players' potential card buys and not just worker placements. Turn 1 someone can buy a card you wanted, there's no real pause until turn 3.The """combat""" is just pure shit though. It is more direct interaction if you want to call it that, but I simply don't consider it a mark in favor of the game.Anyway, I find yours to be at least a reasonable take. I wonder what makes people say Dunc is higher interaction, specifically. Is it just the auction and the stronger blocking?
>>98896797There is a distinct lack of Heat in your library.And for the love of God, would you please throw Catan in the woodchipper.
>>98896797>accessible one for larger crowds that isn't party game.Either go for another euro in Sidereal Confluence or go balls out for Stationfall.
>>98895879I have Bifurcation but not Proliferation. Alt Unity is favorite faction to play followed by base Kit.
>>98896797first make some room then add galaxy trucker big box and the other two not-golem century spice road games.Clank! In! Space! is the worst of the Clank!s Catacombs is a whole lot more RNG so if your friend gets super lucky again it won't have as big an impact.>has century spice road tranny crystal edition>won't put out heart of crownwhat are you, gay?overall 8/10 would game with
>>98896797>> Celestia>It seems like I'd like it but I'm hesitant on replayability,It is replayable but I agree that Diamant fills a similar niche.
>>988934689/10 game, don't listen to the haters. Only real issue is there is a turn order advantage. 3rd player has a real edge going into round 7, but you can somewhat mitigate that by doing a faction draft where you pick a faction or your table position.
>>98883418I can't tell if you are being extremely disingenuous or simply very naive.
>>98898438I know it's a good game, but I've been avoiding games that incorporate deckbuilding into its mechanics. I'm just burnt out on it. Arnak, Clank, Scarface 1920, Endless winter, Distilled, Heat and so on.
>>98896750Because>muh multiplayer solitairewhich is stupid, and>muh visitorswhich is a legit criticism. The visitor cards dominate the game. Otherwise, the game is fucking lovely.Now I just looked it up, and apparently there's an expansion that tries to fix this exact issue. Anybody tried it?
Why is every game coming out some shit like>little fluffy bunnys really Cozy TM game where everyone is a friend and everyone is a winner :)
>>98899294foids and families
>>98898438>Only real issue is there is a turn order advantageDUNC fucking shits officially join Root enjoyers as people with worthless opinions
>>98899990have you considered that maybe the problem is (You)
>>98900104>popular=goodno need to make your case further
>>98899294Join team grog
>>98899302i can smell this post
>>98899262wrong>>98896750viticulture is a near perfect euro with one gigantic flaw: the visitors. see the RNG of the visitors absolutely MOGS the worker placement spots, so the meta is just main worker cards. the expansion tried to fix this by making the workers less powerful but the main workers strat still mogs the worker placement strat.I want to love viticultre but it's no fun when your only chance is to chase visitor cards and hope your RNG is better than the others, it's not longer a euro.
>>98900220How is he wrong, though?>>98896750See >>98900671. Usually, there is fun to be found in spicy, deliberately loosely balanced aspects of a game, but Viticulture is absolutely not the place for it. It is so bad that I seriously doubt Jamies ability to design games on his own. The core of viticulture is suprisingly tight WP that wants you to think a year ahead, and getting blocked is brutal. You have a rough, agricolaesque outline here...and then you add the fucking cards to the mix. They vary wildly in power level and usefullness yet are overall powerful enough to be worth taking everytime. This roulette system imo clashes massively with the aforementioned tight wp and the result is a mess, and said mess is already present before the start of the game where player A might immediately sow grapes and player B takes 3 years to find one he can use. It gets so bad that some games you might completely forgo making and aging wine and making almost all your VP with visitor cards. I do agree there is a basis there that could've been turned into a good game, but it's just an unholy fusion of mechanics that turn out to be ameritrash agricola in the worst way.
>>98901086Damnit /bgg/!~> Get introduced to someone by a friend> New person talking about her husband and her boyfriend: "We're poly. It's complicated."> Me (instantly and without thinking first): "So, do you guys play board games?"> Her: "Oh yeah! We love board games!"I've been meme'd IRL...
>>98899294>every game coming out>doesn't understand marketingIf only you can stop looking at the wrong places, you'd easy realize it's to appeal normalfags.
>>98899990Lol, keep seething.
>>98901225Well you know who to accidentally shove into traffic if Bahama Taxi is mentioned.Also holy mother of red flags
Isle of Skye or Ponzi Scheme?
Just played Arkham Horror 2e. Didn't have time to finish but we were one gate away from winning. What do you suppose the most fun ancient ones or expansion combinations are?
How do you manage table disagreements in your group?
>>98900671I played Viticulture a little while ago and to prove a point didn't grow any grapes or make any wine but just focused on visitor cards. I was so close to winning it was hilarious.
>>989037511v1 IRL
HF4A battle report. Got a second proper game in last night. Went into it fairly confident it will be more successful than the first one, and... It was to a degree.First, we managed to start launching our rockets in turn ~12 instead of ~24 like last time. I wanted to try out solar sails, and got a chance to. Instead of barely colonising Mars, this time I did Mercury and Venus and felt pretty good about the initial improvement.The other guys also were doing reasonably well, until one pivotal moment. We made a convoluted three way deal for patents, in which two of us managed to fuck ourselves over and get hard stuck.Meanwhile, the third guy continues to be the unluckiest man in the group. Last time, his rocket exploded on the only hazard roll in the match. This time, he was the only one to get a glitch and 4 parts of his crewless rocket immediately exploded.I thought we would explore much more of the map this time, but we stuck to the inner solar system the entire match. Room for improvement.
>>98903994cool
>>98903751>>98903943The last time this happened we arm wrestled.
Thoughts? Seems like a decent enough euro with good optics and theme but that applies to a lot.
>>988945063p uprising tomorrow what am I in for
>>98904487It does a lot in so few turnsI enjoy it even if I'm not a fan of combos
>absolutely domming my wife with butterflies/plants/silver icons>shes been building tree/plant tableau>yea sure wtv this is f->she voles and plants 5 saplings, nets 25 points>ok fine, but im still like 60 points ahead>we both rebuild hands>a_second_vole_has_hit_the_tower.jpegLook at this, absolute jank yet she came to within a single point of victoryGood God do i enjoy forest shuffle, warts and all.
>>98899262>Anybody tried it?Bordeaux and Rhine Valley visitors make the game actually be about making wine, it's pretty good. The Tuscany Board is also pretty good and the special workers add a lot to it, could do with the silly Area control minigame though. Basically Rhine Valley Viticulture is actually enjoyable, however it's still down to luck for visitors even when Bordeaux rules give you a display of grapes and wine orders to choose from. That said Bordeaux gives you enough bonuses to constantly pull cards you need so it keeps all players balanced by giving them so many cardplay positions while maintaining the WP blocking.
>>98903268insofar as arkham horror is worth playing at all, which it absolutely IS NOT.the expansions that add the most fun/interest are the ones that add boards with new areas.
>>98896797great collectionFor your question, a pure deckbuilder like Dominion, Legendary Aliens, or Ascension OR rip the bandaid off and get Blood on the Clocktower if you want something for big groups. If you really, truly cannot stomach Social deduction then your "big group games" are going to top out at games that can handle up to 8p but stop being fun after 4-5p. get The Gang.
>>98904487One of my favorite euros, hands down. It's tight and very satisfying to puzzle over, while still managing to keep it all condensed in 9 straightforward turns.>Take a die, place a die>Do corresponding actionsIt's honestly a breath of fresh air, especially given my local meet-up group loves the long nu-euros. Rather than wondering when it will be over, I get that elusive "if only I had one more turn" feeling. It simply doesn't waste your time, and that puts it above most for me.For a similar vibe I would also recommend Northgreen, which I just played last night. They are cut from the same cloth, and I could see that possibly rivaling TWC if I got a few more plays in.
>>98904889What do you have against Arkham? It's fun. My only real complaint is the bullshit lose a turn effects in the other worlds.
I can get this has easy counterplay, but lordy this will be annoying to dance around and at times be terrifying. Auto damage is one of the most potent tools in SW, and having access to it on a stick is wild.
>>98872008Remember when Darkest Dungeon was gonna get a board game? Did the models get leaked for the miniatures as STLs by chance? Can they be shared please?
>>98905626And oh baby anyone who loves flight is gonna cream themselves slotting this into a custom deck.
>>98905404NTA but all the FFG lovecraft games lean heavily into random bullshit and don't really have any strategy or in some sense even a significant degree of player agency. More structured stuff like MoM or AH LCG have more of a knowledge element, but I find that makes it even worse. Memorising what happens in the scenario in order to save time (because really, all you care about is being time efficient) is not a substitute for strategy.That's why stuff like Spirit Island and Gloomhaven mog the fuck out of these old-school type co-ops. There is a luck element, but the vast majority of what happens in the game happens because of things you did. YOU figured something out. YOU made a play. Or YOU fucked up, didn't account for something, and got overrun.I don't think the kind of "pick a door that takes you on some random rollercoaster" gameplay is invalid or something, but I've really come to hate it over the years.
>>98905641>great for deck building>its an epic eventWell now I feel foolish, but still, sick tool that will ruin peoples positioning many times over.
>>98872008Looking at Eternal Decks, how is it anyone tried it solo?
>>98905851I've only played in a group but we all really liked it.
>>98905854Is it fun replaying?
>>98904487I'll agree with the other anons. I'm not particularly enamored with small and quick games, and I've ignored the game for the longest time because it seemed rather boring...but it does indeed do like 75% of what games thrice its length do. It's also VERY replayable. Really excellent design tbqh
I thought I was putting by game back in its box but I actually put it in its lid.
>>98905404I'm with >>98905644 especially on the LCG, which I'd call an almost pure exploration game. 90% of the fun is discovering what comes next/what X will do. I found most of the game goes like this: we follow path x. Oh it leads to certain doom/harder challenges, lets not ever take it again. Like Time Stories, it seems made to be somewhat brute forced, and the most enjoyable time is the first play. The random everything doesn't really make for interesting stories imo but merely decides how easy your game is gonna be. I like the idea of it, but it is a typical "better as a videogame" game if you ask me, just because it's the kind of game that lives off constant new content. I mean maybe I'm wrong and there's some kind of scene that speedruns scenarios. But you'd never ever want to be associated with speedrunners anyway.
>>98906239I did this with Root the other week. I was so embarrassed.
>>98906239Relateable, I do hate it when that happens
Kinda need no women in boardgaming anon in my life right now.>Friends gf asks if she and a friend can join mid-gamenight>Sure why not, been a while since we got out the +5p games>It was a fucking mistake>45 min filler games suddenly take 2h>Gfs friend is devoid of humor and not competent yet very competitive>Varies between damsellike oh no what should I do help me and overconfident yeah you played that wrong and here's why>Loses terribly in each gameWouldn't say it ruined our night but it was rather unpleasant to deal with, really killed our banter. I don't want to overgeneralize but this really felt like a gender issue.
>>98906401Probably because your nazi incel group made it uncomfortable for her
>>98906401my friend once brought a fuckbuddy, the chick could not understand carcassone. she didn't come back.I've known a few chicks who were good enough and I wanted to say girls are fine but even then they were more seat fillers than fighting for first or second, and one had a fucking 5-alarm melt down over mansplaining out of the blue once and just ripped into a couple of us for like 10 minutes. Fifteen minutes later she's looking at the board and is like "Why are the cherries so expensive?" I almost went across the table at her.
Bit of a session report here.>Stellar VenturesWas quite good! I have little Cube rails reference, but our first game at 3p took us merely 2h, and I'm confident you could get it down to sub 90 min which is pretty great. Can't tell all that much otherwise because the game obviously needs multiple plays to grasp the finer details, we made lots of mistakes. I AM a bit apprehensive about the game becoming rather scripted after a time by its nature amd I'd have liked a bit more...economic tricks, taking control away from someone seems rather rare and if it happens someone likely made a grave mistake? I did like it quite a bit. Not extremely ethusiastic about it but very statisfied.>SpooktacularGave it yet another chance because I desperately want to love this game, this time with full playercount. And, predictably, if was merely okayish. It really wants to be played with quick turns and little analysis, especially because there's no real planning ahead because the boardstate changes so fundamentally each turn. Want to love this way more than I can, it's just a very well presented 6/10 and if people start to overthink their turns the game suffers massively.>Modern ArtAlways a hoot. Still getting these holy shit what are you doing moments when two people get into a bidding war or someone thinking themselves clever for making 9k net off a painting whilst handing yoir opponent 120k. I love the 92 version (Karl Gitter > all) but I do wish the other artists had better or just more interesting atwork. Calling crypto a scam is always fun ofc
Appreciate the responses I got on >>98896797, but captcha is making it PITA to respond to everyone.I went with Feed The Kraken, it was a good pick as even I who am not a fan of social deduction had an enjoyable time, plus it was with a crowd that doesn't play games much (we even managed to play it twice). FTK makes social deduction more of a board game-ish experience rather than the usual look at the card for your role these games offer.I'm still having itchy fingers for Dune Imperium: Uprising or Clank!: Catacombs, but I'm hesitant if I actually want to play these or do I just enjoy the idea of playing them. I'm leaning more towards Clank! as I really disliked in the original Dune the moment where someone goes "lol fuck you" revealing intrigue card out of nowhere and losing you the game. Then again, I hated moments when someone in Clank! gets lucky with the market or purges their bad cards very early on.No idea what I would cull to free up the space either, both boxes are quite large and the game would need to be in the upper half of the shelf for me to be satisfied with its layout. I'd maybe cull Pandemic for Clank!, but it's removal does not free up enough space unfortunately.
>>98906752>Dune Imperium: UprisingI think there are better cutthroat low VP games, although I've only played this once although I will again tomorrow.>Clank! Catacombsthe rng in the tiles really downplays the rng in the market so it's not as painful when someone gets 3 boots or whatever. catacombs is always a guess as to who won where clank! it was merely an exercise to add up the VPs. also if you have a friend who never makes it out of the depths in Clank! then catacombs also seems to be a cure for that.If you want a deckbuilder that is better than either where you get to pitfight your opponents go for Arctic Scavengers +Recon +HQ
>>98906741If you want Stellar Ventures but less stupid you should check out either Chicago Express or a proper 18XX. ChEx removes all the unnecessary fluff and leaves only the "you're broke, try to pull yourself up by the bootstraps" element; while 18XX actually let you leverage the train rusting to kill unprepared players, unlike in Stellar Ventures where Cargo is just a tax on your company.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktkkozq7XnUThink this'll be good? Grendel asymmetrical warfare game.
