What is the point of dragon-riders?Either the dragon is intelligent enough to know what to do, and therefore doesn't need a rider, or the dragon isn't intelligent enough and therefore it's stupid to expect a tiny mortal to be able to command it.
>>98871414>What is the point of dragon-riders?It's cool.
>>98871414Less of letting them controlling them and more of letting them ride like when you put a toddler on your shoulders.Also it's really cool looking.
>>98871414>What is the point of dragon-riders?To let you ride a dragon, duhMan people are stupid these days
>>98871414Looking cool.
My favorite dragon riders are those that carry short swords that would never be able to reach the enemy from the saddle.
>>98871475Presumably that's if in the event they get dismounted. And aren't thousands of feet in the sky.
>>98871414did you just basically shit on the entire history of animal husbandry? you know sometimes animals work together, right?a human rider can get great visibility AND wield a secondary weapon up there, e.g. a gun. Also has the superior strategic mind, and yknow, somewhere to gothe dragon gets to be led to food, and might start to see the rider as a member of the drove. He probably has servants to care for the eggs back at home, so humans good. all meat-eaters should be able to get along, and some herd animals too, if we can break their wills to ours.>>98871475lol yeah those are sillyI made some characters once meant for a video game, all riding various mounts, and when I got to the big ones, I realized.. all of those guys need to be using magic wands or something, there's no way a melee weapon can reach out far enough to do anything.
>>98871414To make the rider look cooler. That's really all there is to it. 99% of dragon rider fiction never ever considers the dragon as an actual equal character, even if it is a character and not just a dumb beast.
>>98871414>What is the point of dragon-ridersBeing the equivalent to the defense gunner in a WW2 plane.A breath weapon is great for cooking things on the ground and sucks the moment you're mildly less nimble than a flying opponent.A pair of dragon riders with crossbows can allow your dragon to focus on what's important.Plus the dragon needs a lookout and teeth cleaner.
>>98871645>99% of dragon rider fiction never ever considers the dragon as an actual equal character, even if it is a character and not just a dumb beast.
>>98871549>I realized.. all of those guys need to be using magic wands or something, there's no way a melee weapon can reach out far enough to do anything.Or a big fuckass lance
>>98871414Putting a wizard on a dragon to rain death down on the battlefield below
>>98871682Huh, there's no dragons in star wars
>>98871701There's a dragon-equivalent on Endor, seen in the Ewoks animated show
>>98871682true eragon does that. and both the dragon and the rider are as dumb as bricks
>>98871414>or the dragon isn't intelligent enough and therefore it's stupid to expect a tiny mortal to be able to command it.magic
>>98871414Oh look, a 2012 bait thread is back in catalog, except this time around, the only people to "engage" it are other bots
>>98871414>or the dragon isn't intelligent enough and therefore it's stupid to expect a tiny mortal to be able to command it.think about elephants
>>98871475they should all carry impossibly long lances and wear impossibly tall helmets
I love dragon riders. To me, it's the coolest fantasy concept, specially when the dragon too is a person rather than just a mount.I'm a player in a D&D 3.5e campaign where dragons are a really big deal currently. We manged to get embroiled in some seemingly cosmic level Xorvintaal shenanigans, and some of our charters are dragon adjacent in some way.My Cleric is just a big dragon fan.Eventually, I'll work with the DM to get him a dragon companion of some sort (if things keep going as they are).My idea is that, as to not be super disruptive to the campaign, I'll build her (the dragon) as a gold dragon with all the vows, poverty, peace, non-violence, etc, and she'll mostly be a non-combatant that'll spend a lot of her time as a white raven on my character's shoulder to contrast with the black celestial one he already has.I'm already working on a list of things I'll need to get (I.e. a magic saddle) to make the most of the duo. Even if the dragon won't be fighting directly, doesn't mean she won't be useful in battle.Hells, we've had several episodes where we were on or flying ship and got attacked by surprise. Having a flying mount (flight that can't be dispelled) would have been so fucking useful.Time to become the dragonlance man.Thank you for reading my blog.
>>98871414It's political. But, from the dragon's perspective, the rider could just be their pilot fish.
>>98871414If you don't see a point to them, don't use them in your games, retard.
>>98871414In House of the Dragon, Caraxes drops Daemon off so he can wreck shit while they fly around to back them up. It makes sense it just has to be done well (HotD only did it OK but it makes sense).
>>98871414The dragonriders are spellcasters, either abjuration mages or clerics of Tiamat. It's very expensive to raise and train your dragon, so you want to protect the investment and military asset in any way you can. Only wild dragons, or dragons that can shapeshift into humanoid form and have spellcaster levels don't need a rider.
>>98872758ASOIAF dragonriding is the most interesting dragonriding IMO. The dragons definitely have their own intelligence and characters but it gets mainly overridden whenever a targshit psychically links to them. Its why vhagar and caraxes can tear each other to pieces despite liking each other when they had different riders. They linked with their new rivalling owners and also began to hate each other.However this link is still unconcious for both rider and dragon so the communication can and will go wrong if one is inexperienced.
Dragons should look at dragonriders the way you might look at a magic hat. Sometimes you want a healer, sometimes you want an archer, maybe a lancer if you have a good lance. It’s an extra set of eyes, and it covers your back, and it doesn’t cost much because humanoid heroes are basically the same size as common humanoids.
>>98871414It's cool. Oh, shit, >>98871420 already said it and it was FPBP. It bears repeating, though, so it's fine. Also this > or the dragon isn't intelligent enough and therefore it's stupid to expect a tiny mortal to be able to command itdoesn't really make sense considering that people do actually ride elephants, which, yes, >>98872545 did already mention.>>98871682Dragonlance books also had Kitiara's dragon as a major character - admittedly only in the later books where Kitiara wasn't around any more - which I kind of liked.
>>98871549>the dragon gets to be led to food, and might start to see the rider as a member of the drove. He probably has servants to care for the eggs back at home, so humans good. all meat-eaters should be able to get along, and some herd animals too, if we can break their wills to ours.You sound like you fuck animals.
>>98871414Having a free concubine when you play a dragon in Council of Wyrms without it being weird.Naturally.
>>98873117>this anon has never seen farm
>>98871645Yeah, I do hate this a lot. What's the point if it's just a glorified horse? I think a big case of whiplash I got was how in some dragon rider ps3 game they made it a plot point or in the backstory that the MC rider supposedly has such a deep bond their dragon who they raised from hatching and then late in the game the dragon dies and the MC kind of just goes whatever and gets a new dragon and that's it. The dragon was basically just a tool.
>>98871414I see your point, but have you considered what if the humans are the pets? so to the dragon an archer on their back is like a little automatic turret, or a rider with a lance or spear can keep enemies from attacking them from behind/above?
>>98871414Looks cool. Air superiority. Big smart monster with a small smart monster working together is much more effective than separately. The magic world conquering thing only works with both combined.
>>98873513>the cats and the coyotes get along because they both eat meatdumb esl
>>98873831>retarded non sequitur
>>98871645The entirety of Dragonlance calls bullshit.
>>98871414Yep. In my setting, the only people who are going to ride dragons are people able to hit it with a charm monster spell (and probably thereafter put a permanent charm monster item on it, like a collar)
Well, obviously the Dragons allow France to threaten Britain from across the channel more effectively than ships ever did.
>>98871701UM ACSHUALY
>>98874775Hell yeah.
>>98872629You are just trying to insert your fettish in5o the campaign, aren't you?
>>98874775>>98875045Notably, as explored in the later books in the series, one of the most important functions of the dragon riders is public relations. The existence of a captain keeps the rest of the human population from thinking too hard about whether or not the dragons are intelligent, free-willed creatures capable of just deciding what to do themselves.
>ctrl+f pern>0/0wtf
>>98871414>What is the point of dragon-riders?To stick his magical anti-dragon lance into the enemy dragon's chest cavity.
>>98871414They're like a WSO, acting as an extra set of eyes, sometimes they might be able to dislodge a stuck arrow or cast a shielding spell all so the dragon can focus better.
>>98872758>>98872844True
>>98871414If they are intelligent then they probably don't need them, besides maybe carrying troops that could be dropped off, or troops carrying bombs or something. For non intelligent ones - wizards could control them.
>>98874775I always wondered, in these books, how ships still worked at all without just getting incinerated by dragons. Like good luck sailing your fleet to Spain or whatever when dragons just toast them all. but the prose was so bad I dropped it before getting very far.
>>98871414literally depends on the setting, but mostly because of the military strength derivated from somehow controlling the equivalent of a flying tank with a huge fucking flamethrower, in case of beast-level intelligence dragons, or having one of those for an ally willing to let you ride them in battle plus the power projection produced by it, like Warhammer helves >>98871664>>98875737I personally quite like this take; the dragon is in command, the "rider" is just supplementary to their own strength
>>98871465This but even less ironically.
>>98876012Fire-breathers are rare.
>>98873831>The barn cats and the herding dogs get along because they are properly fed and have their space on the farm. Some even pal around.>The coyote gets fucked by the dogs because it stepped paw on the wrong acre and caused one of the above or the other farm animals to make a ruckus.>the coyote only steals off with one chicken, gets mauled by the dogs, cornered by the dogs, when the half awake farmer/hand shoots it.Circle of farm life, why are you trying to say a coyote belongs there, retard.
>>98876257Probably because he's a dumb ESL larping as American without knowing what a coyote actually is. It almost sounds like he thinks it's a breed of dog.
Dragooning is a noble and honorable tradition
>>98878709Why the dragon got the pants on?
>>98878731Blue board.
>>98872758In House of the Dragon it makes no sense why standing armies are still a thing when it's been show multiple times than a single dragon wipes out any army, of any size.
>>98874775Read the first book, it was ok.
>>98880125There's a lot about ASoIaF that doesn't make sense, but dragons aren't common an armies are still good for holding ground, policing populations and so on, so even with dragons around they have their purpose.
>>98878687Author?
>>98880333https://x.com/ArczAeon
>>98878709I think this is the ideal size for dragon-riding. Any smaller and or larger and it just looks silly.
>>98871420Patrician.
>>98881969Something about this picture really grosses me out. I think it’s how organic the building seems, like it’s made out of flesh.
>>98882721That's one of my favorite dragon rider pictures.
What's the point of Gatorriders?
>>98871414The human is the dragon's pet and does servant-like things for them when the dragon decides to rest from flying.
>>98882721Ovopack may be a furry, but his fantasy art is always really great.
>>98871475>fly me closer, I want to hit them with my sword>>98872626Based.
>>98871701What are they called, kryat dragons on tatooine? Dagobah also has dragons.
>>98882758It's cool
>>98871414>Either the dragon is intelligent enough to know what to doAssuming this, the dragon could do this to show that it supports the person and their cause, even when the human doesn't provide much in terms of combat prowess. Having allied themselves with the person, their bloodline, their nation. They acknowledge that the person is the one being a king, an important general or hero, and it's not the dragon that is the protagonist of the story. But by doing this, they lend their strength, their mobility, and their authority to the person.
>>98871414>therefore doesn't need a riderthere's IRL fighter jets and bombers that have multiple crew members, the dragon being intelligent doesn't mean there's no benefit to a human rider. you know what's scarier than a CR 20 angry dragon flying around breathing fire and smashing shit? A CR20 angry fire breathing dragon with a CR 20 wizard/druid/cleric/sorcerer/etc riding on its back shielding them both and deflecting any projectiles while dropping meteors and shooting lightning at anyone outside breath weapon range.
>>98871414I cant imagine being this stupid.
>>98871682*Ardwen - Arwen*Isenstar - Isengard*Mithrim - Mithrim or mithril*Angrenost - Angrenost*Morgothal - Morgoth*Elessari - Elessar*Furnost - Fornost*Hadarac - Harad*Melian - Melian*Vanilor - Valinor*Eridor - Eriador*Imiladris - Imladris*Undin - Fundin/Udun*Gil'ead - Gil'Galad*Ceranthor - Caranthir*Isidar - Isildir*Oromis - Orome*Eragon - Aragorn
If the rider is a well-trained professional with tactical intelligence, the dragon just has to be a dragon. You don’t just know everything because you’re sapient.
>>98889762I'm not seeing it
>>98889762Eragon is just dragon with an e
I'm looking for the Fabula Ultima core rulebook, I've looked in a lot of troves where it might be but they're all empty. So if someone could point me in the right direction that'd be awesome.
>>98891146Huh?
>>98891146Would pass Fabula Ultima for Sword World but what the fuck does that have to do with Dragon Riders?
>>98871414The human is the WSO for the dragon
>>98894221Average dragon/dragonrider interaction:https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=KbRndl21yhY
>>98889762What else would you expect from a nerdy homeschooled kid? Their entire lives are lived vicariously through literature they consume, and creativity and originality are intentionally crushed by their parents because free thought leads them away from Jesus.
>>98891146>>98894179Do Sword World or Fabula Ultima have good dragon riding support?Also, Sword World looks cool as hell.
>>98875066Aren't we all?
>>98895696>and creativity and originality are intentionally crushed by their parents because free thought leads them away from Jesus.Paolini is a fedora atheist. A preachy vegan and furfag also. Incidentally, so are his Elves.
>>98871682The only thing I remember about these god awful books is that the dragon gets fucked by another dragon and the dude who is bonded with it feels it or someshit.
>>98895906He's also fucking his sister, which is insane that more people don't talk about that
>>98900042>He's also fucking his sister,You have my interest.Source/evidence/pics?
>>98900042If the sister is hot, that's just based and not cringe unlike his other characteristics, so it makes sense people wouldn't mention that when trying to talk shit.
>>98900064It's the Rolling Stones article from like 2011 or 2012.
>>98871414>whats the point of having a copilot, the pilot can just do everything
>>98900946The copilot in this situation is not flying the plane if the pilot is incapacitated
>>98903535it's really more like turret gunner
Where does this problem even arise? Most dragon rider things I can think of feature dragons with an animal intelligence, if not all.
>>98905189>if not allBruh, are your retarded?
>>98871414It's a sick, depraved, probably gay, fetish thing.
