*Blocks your path* EditionPrevious thread: >>98847818>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>Titanicus Compendiumshttps://gofile.io/d/bVNzwe2R>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Legions Imperialis Army Builderhttps://legionbuilder.app/TQ: Have you ever tilted at windmills before?
>>98870807I'm a game designer, 90% of my job is tilting at the windmill that is corporate
Titanicus occupied thread.
Imagine whatever city you live in. Imagine titans walking around it. Imagine. IMAGINE.bitch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6SIHlK3LqQ
>>98870975I will not imagine that.
>>98870975Only thing I ever Imagine is a .38 special revolver and John Lennons skull, sorry
Which Imperial Fist character do you like the most, and why?
Why Horus Heresy and Titanicus are not two separate threads?
>>98870968titty reporting for duty
>>98871627Unironically it would make sense for Inwiggers to be Eskimo...unless Dorn's seed changed them like Sanguinius' changes Baalites.Then again, in Black book art Dorm does look tan and wrinkly.
>>98871675small alone, bigger together
Maybe gimmicks other than Seize / Finisher would have a place if regular unprimed sergeants could issue challenges, especially against other basic sergeants.Flurry of Hits' D1 limitation is far less noticeable among W1 duelists. It's as if it had been made with Charnabal sabres in mind.
>>98871675Why did your mother keep you?
>>98871621>imagine fearing a hippy so bad you imagine it taking five hollow points to take him down>imagine fearing a hippy so bad you have to shoot him in the back>imagine missing 20% of your shots at 10 feet
>>98871720>0.0020348383928191 wounds erm akshually none of these dice are worth rolling i hope your mind palace burns to the ground with you locked inside
>>98871675I agree.
>>98871728Why did yours?
>>98871627>There are no polar bears on Inwit.
Has Kol been scanned yet? Haven't seen any gofile links for it in any previous threads
>>98871863Because that's the normal thing to do? Same as keeping titanicus or ligma, this is the general for anything hh related. I guess keeping one's offsprings around is not normal where you are from.
anyone got the primaris part user memes?
>>98871728Mine at least raised a polite person, something that yours did not managed to do. I'm sorry for you
>>98871948Showing real politeness here.
>>98871925I'm not the one who made the comment about offspring first, I merely retorted
>>98871948Based.
>>98871992Anon, HH and titanicus are the offsprings of the wider 30k setting.
>>98871627Polux. Power Fist and Storm Shield is a baller combo.
>>98871992>I am merely retardedWe know. Both are niche games that aren't nearly as popular as 40K or AoS. It's only sensible to keep GW threads as consolidated as possible.
>>98872098I still wonder why you never see just a double power fist combo, kind of like how some guys just take one lightning claw OR two. Why not have marines that go full on power-fisticuffs?
>>98872202>inb4 TS double-fister appearsThere are things with two fists, like Aggressors and Calgar. For the most part, two fists have had diminishing returns. Twice the price of a single fist for one more attack isn't THAT great. Sometimes you got an extra attack from just having a pistol or another CCW. Other times a lightning claw was a cheaper option and let you choose between a strong fist or fast claw strikes. Claws are mostly taken in pairs because most of the time they've available as a paired option.
>>98872202They don't really make sense outside of things like ursarax.
>>98871720>It's as if it had been made with Charnabal sabres in mind.Lightning claws?
>>98871720>Maybe gimmicks other than Seize / Finisher would have a placeThey do, their place is "situational use". Grandstand is (potentially) the strongest offensive buff out of any gambit, but relies on enormous outside support (and therefore costs a lot of initiative buff to use). Guard up is invaluable as a survival tool, parry is useful for shutting down combos, measure(whatever the "automatically get advantage if you survive") is good for getting out of a challenge you dont want to be winning... As well as nearly all of the legion reactions having their own use cases and being worthwhile. You are confusing "seize the initiative and finishing blow are the most generically good" with "they are therefore the only gambits you take"
How does this look vs custodes? >HCJump praetor, headsmans axe, shotgun>CSIege breaker (paragon of battle)Jump librarian, axe, telekinesis>troops2x tactical squad, vox. 1x logistical benefit (fast attack>fast attack5 raptors with thunder hammers, 1 flamer>transports2x rhino with havoc launcher and dozer blade>armor2x predator, conversion beamer, lascannonsKratos, melta cannon, 4x lascannons, decurion, HK>support2x 3 man laser destroyer rapier squads>elites2x 10 man seeker squad, vox1x vet breacher squad, 4x lascutters, 6x power axes(allied detachment)Fatewaver cohort1x navigator (combat veteran)1x solar aux squad
>>98871720>unprimedHere I am thinking grey tide unpainted. Also duel system sucks anyway. Waste of time for something adds more rng.
>>98872098I thought stormshields were invented after the heresy?
>>98871829ICE wouldn't bat an eye today
>>98872518fuck no, stormshields have been there since black book 2
>>98871720There's more nuance to challenges that only gets explored when both players are into it. Guard Up, when you remember that missed attacks add to your initiative score next round, is not bad. Flurry of Blows becomes better when you're fighting someone who is already wounded. If the players don't care about it though of course they're just gonna take the pokemon-tier bonuses.
>>98871720>he doesn't take Every Strike Foreseen
>>98872667the issue is that finishing blow is so damn good as an opener when you're running a TH etc as you're slow as shit already and just intend to tank the hits
>>98872502Your plan against the melee army is...To have low scoring and trying to out-melee them ? You don't even have a tactical for the home objective.
>>98873149>You don't even have a tacticalI do? Theres two units there (I normally bring three, but I figured the SA goons can fill in some, especially with convocators for the situational +1 line where I need it). I could drop the librarian for a MoS, but with no deep strike im not sure thats worth it. >trying to out melee themThe plan is to primarily shoot them (with things like seekers and laser destroyers, conversion beamer predators also sound promising with that D3 Ap2 mode), although there is SOME melee potential in the army because entirely foregoing it seems overly risky. Vet breachers are actually reasonably fine against (basic) custodes (lascutters dont care about eternal warrior) and raptors can do good damage if I get a status off on a unit.
>>98871840Funnily, ever since Inception (2010) I learned lucid dreaming, and after Dr Sleep (2019) I learned imprisonment.My mental palace is indeed a prison. As for it burning down, the purge mechanism is already venting a star into it.
>>98872667>>98873126True. If the other guy is already taking Finisher, which multiplies DMG output by 1.5 or 2x, then the other guy might as well try Grandstand or Guard or something.Seize would be pointless, as they'd already go first
>>98873720Thats the thing I think people forget with talking about "oh theres a couple "clearly the best" gambits", thats the point. You need these strong gambits to give a first mover advantage to the challenger/the person with challenge advantage, theyre a thing to fight over as much as anything else. And their presence contextualizes everything else, often as a response to "so what do you do if the other guy has one of the strong options".
>>98873720>Seize would be pointless, as they'd already go firstUnless they have say a paragon blade going up against a thunder hammer or fist, where suddenly you can finishing blow and still possibly go first.
>>98873802I think the flow diagram after the other guy chooses Finisher is to minimize the damage advantage he's going to get.However I think Guard Up is severely hurt by the fact that, against an WS5 attacker, you can get +3WS and they keep hitting a WS6 target on a 5+.So you trade all but one of your attacks for something with severely diminishing returns. -33% incoming enemy DMG at best, at the expense of -75%—80% of your own damage.Test the Foe (fight normally but auto gain advantage of you survive) might be better.
I want to try a sicaran venator, but I dont like the way the normal model looks. Thoughts on converting a sicaran turret to "counts as venator"? Give it some sort of big laser cannon and use it as a proxy. I just dont like the centerline aesthetic very much, it does not fit a battle tank.
>>98874047Theres definetly times you dont want to pick guard up defensively, but the way it sets you up to succeed next round cant be ignored imo.Its also the best (only even) properly defensive option you have a lot of the time, and it giving +1WS also helps with damage somewhat. You take it, almost certainly survive the round, maybe do some chip damage in vs the other guy. Next round you can play greedier/more aggressively using the cushion of focus you gained from the last round. Big success and good times for all. >test the foe might be betterIf you think you will survive the round and really want out of the fight? Sure. But it doesent help if youre worried someone took finishing blow and is about to concave your face.
>>98874068>maybe do some chip damage in vs the other guyBig maybe, as it is one single WS+1 attack.But yeah now that I think of it, now everyone can choose to simply tank a Finisher hammer (mwahaha). Ain't so shrimple after all
>>98874182>Big maybe, as it is one single WS+1 attack.True, not guaranteed by any means. But WS+1 also improves your odds of hitting decently well in a lot of cases (either going from 5s to 4s - 50% better chance to hit - or from 4s to 3s - 33% better chance to hit - inversely proportional to how much it does for defense really)Inb4 we get a dedicated breacher consul who can take a lascutter, and they just always take guard up to be effective WS+1 the entire time.
>>98874068You can use Guard Up offensivly too, to get one advantageous attack and bonuses to your focus roll for next round. There's no guarantee you won't get killed sure, but they are called gambits.
>>98872502Why power axes on the breachers?
>>98874301Swung from above amid the shield press, surely an axe blade can strike an enemy covering behind the shield wall
>>98870975I really like the way urban titan combat on Cath is described in Honour The Dead. Missiles destroying apartment buildings, mega-bolter fire chewing up walls, entire housing blocks vaporised by a Warlord's reactor overloading.10/10 breddy good short story especially the Warmonger titan at the end.
>>98874347>Unfortunately this apartment building is out of flares
>>98874301I like how they look. Lightning claws are probs just better.
>>98874405I think melee breachers are cool too, guess they just struggle against 3 attack dedicated melee units
>>98874603>Vet Breachers vs shielded Vet Assault / Vet Despoilers, same weapons (PW)Bolt pistol + volley bolt pistol + 2A on 5++ target == 3A no Pistol on 5++ target>Vet Breachers vs Vet Assault / Vet Despoilers, same weapons (PW), no shields2A on unshielded target == 3A on 5++ targetThey seem equal on a void, so I guess the devil will be in the details, back and forth. All in all, close enough
Remind me what your units gain on a successful charge when they have no Impact rule and they aren't EC/BA/WE?
>>98874731volley attacks
>>98874731the privilege of being able to engage in glorious melee combat
>>98874896>>98874898Don't they also get that when they are charged themselves? In fact, not charging always gets you volleys, while charging wrong (disordered) doesn't.
Does anyone know if the tortuga bay shoulder pads are in scale with the current and older marines or are they larger?
>>98872098Polux is a real one
>>98875040I've never gotten their shoulder pads, but the backpacks seem to be close enough.
>>98874937yea if you make a disordered charge you don't get fun stuff like volleys or set-up>>98874731a successful charge is a charge that connects, a disordered charge is a charge that connects but doesn't give you the fun timesbut also you get to do things like invoke Cybertheurgic Rites, cast Biomantic Rage, because they aren't Special Rules so it doesn't matter if your charge is disordered or notfor special rules, Templars get better set-ups, i'm sure there's others i'm not gonna check every unit entry for youbut still yeah volley attacks, particularly if you already slapped a status on the other unit in the shooting phaseit's free real estate
>>98875046>>98872098https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agUaHwxcXHY
>>98875085Thanks anon, appreciate it
I'm amusing myself statting ships based on the vague mentions in the Black Books like a ship based on the mentioned "lance cruiser" designation. I'm genuinely drawn to having it mount a single massively powerful and upgunned lance battery on the prow but no other weapons except for AAA turrets. Idk I've always been disappointed that the setting especially the Heresy doesn't have a LOGHmaxxing ship with frontal beams for days.
>>98875178Nay. What I like the most about 40k (and Dune) is that protective technologies have made close combat viable again.Ships ought to survive being sniped at relativistic distances, so they can engage in much cooler broadside cannonades, ramming, and boarding actions. Power swashbuckling.
>>98875040The shoulder pads are same size as the old manlet space marine range, at least the mk4-7 ones.
This is a bit of a stretch, but does anyone have a size comparison between the old and new Cataphractii power fists?I remember that being a point of contention.
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>>98875178>>98875298Battlefleet gothic might get released and made exclusive to the HH setting. I do wonder how "feasible" it is for the Battlefleets in Warhammer 30k+40k to conduct combat like in LOGH with formations instead of big dogfights with broadside firing and combat.Obviously it might be a bit weird as those ships if I remember correctly were not designed with formation space combat in mind but meant to be Napoleonic era navy ship combat but in space. But I can see GW looking at LoGH and making some ships designed with LoGH space combat in mind. I wouldn't mind this time.I remember seeing an anon who painted his Legions Solar Auxilia models as the LoGH Rosenritter. Could also pass for pre-chaos Luna Wolves too, but it seems odd that LoGH sporadically gets mentioned here from time to time. Is there some kind of reason for this?
>>98875567>98875298 I meant to reply to >>98875217 Sorry I'm tired.Those shoulderpad sizes are gonna change at some point. If that happens the best that can be done is that they get reused for Blackshield marines or legion specific companies of space marines in scavenged/salvaged/jury rigged power armor.
>>98875548OG Lightning fighter coded, fucking love it.
>>98875217>Ships ought to survive being sniped at relativistic distances, so they can engage in much cooler broadside cannonades, ramming, and boarding actions. Power swashbuckling.yes. Although despite what some NERDS like physicists might tell you lance weapons aren't all that much longer range that macro-cannons in BFG and since cruisers and above have limited turning ability and need to keep moving an ALL PROW lance cruiser wouldn't be picking people off from across the map it would be closing on enemy ships while trying to maneuver so its always facing prow on all using other ships as cover while it reposition. I think I probably should give it some secondary armaments. Maybe low power broadside lances from an LC and port/starboard torpedo tubes. Logically the best followup armament to a massive prow lance that encourges you to charge right in would be torpedo tubes loaded with boarding torpedoes. >>98875567>LoGH sporadically gets mentioned here from time to time. Is there some kind of reason for this?Real recognizes real and I imagine there's more than a little crossover in fandoms.
does anyone have the PDF of Journal Tactica: The Battle for The Signus Cluster – Assault on Kol
>>98875567Both are space opera settings.
>>98875178Iirc there was the ship that killed the agathon dude's nephew except other than lances it was torpedoes. A huge barrel shaped ship that opened up and revealed rows upon rows of torpedoes.
>>98874603They do, and desu I think if you really want to kit them out for melee you either want LC (which are afaik just better than any power weapon) or power fists (which are worse than thunder hammers in the mirror match, but still that all important Ap2 D2). But I just thought power axes would be cool, and I think theyre mainly going to need to get through "lower tier" melee units anyways, I have no intention to throw them into the jaws of assault vets or terminator squads. I was half tempted to do a spear squad for the whole "phalanx" thing, but im just a sucker for axes.
Whats bigger? The arachnus lascannons on the deredeo or the sollex heavy las on the thanatar?
>>98874053Thoughts on adding one of these to a sicaran turret to count as the sicaran venators neutron cannon? Technically its a heavier grade weapon (its the thanatars lascannon, which is better -+12" range- but I dont know if it visually sells it)Also, Do you think it should be one gun on the side like the punisher, or two guns on each side (like most other sicaran turrets)
>>98876758Nta but definitely punisher.
>>98876736Thanatar.
>>98876775That was what I was leaning towards too. Stick one of those on one side, some guitar cable to wire into the empty space on the other side (maybe figure out some sort of extra power bank on that end to sell the whole "this is a really big gun" thing)
Why is it always Mortis REEEEEEEEEEE
>>98877349>mortis's son Gee I wonder why
Does anyone here own any Tortuga bay miniatures? Can you vouch for the quality?
>>98877497I have bought mk5 jump packs and I cannot say they are peak quality. The rear part of the jump pack motors are casted pretty badly.I also bought mk3 legs and torsos and they are good. Too big, but good qualit7
>>98877497Only bought some bits here and there. Only full model is their Emperor. No issues on any of the stuff I've got. Other than customs being difficult trying to import stuff from a warzone.
>>98877497Bought from them plenty of times.They're quite a bit larger and very wide and chunky, but I think that gives Astartes some well needed weight to them.Interestingly enough both HH arms and (primaris) arms fit on them, they hit some sort of weird sweet spot with their proportions.
>>98877764IDK but I want their executioners pads for Badab war stuff and their Sigismund because I hate the FW diaper boy mini
>>98877497I've never had any real issues with anything I've ordered from them. I like the somewhat chunkier scale to them.
>>98876054But don't Lance weapons go at light speed? Everything else is turtles and snails next to that. Even the ships themselves, I guess.
>>98876165>Space soap operaAll my Emperor's Children.Well, Fulgrim's life was a soap opera after all. Started out poor, climbed up to become Planetary Executive, all the marriages and the assassination attempts...
What loadout should my next warlord titan have?
>>98875567>But I can see GW looking at LoGH and making some ships designed with LoGH space combat in mindIsn't that just the Tau?
>>98875548desu I'd rather have a primaris lightning but they're kinda complete shit even in previous editions.
<3 rapier chuds
>>98878443I want melee Death Guard. Now that charging doesn't really give you any advantage, the gap between melee units and regular units might be the closest it's ever been. Even if people say scythes suck, I will try it out....and if it doesn't work, I can always put 5 MMelta HHS in an Achilles, probably.
>>98877497Good quality, the one time I got a bad cast I emailed them and got sent a replacement. >>98877796It used to be much worse, I made my first order one month before the war started and had to wait 6 months until my order arrived. Now I get my order around 1-2 months.
>>98879632Maybe try a veteran squad equipped for melee. Or play older editions.
>>98877349>carefully photographed at an angle that hides the shitty infantry sculpts
>>98877497Been buying their stuff for a good while, don't plan to stop. I had one order back during the height of the invasion when there was active fighting about 30km from where they live that had a mistake in it they sent me an Iron Warriors kit instead of the DA one I ordered - they told me to keep the IW set and got the one I ordered out to me in less than 2 weeks. Never had a miscast or anything.
I wish there was a reason to use Optae. The concept is actually cool, but for barely any upcost actual Centurions are so much better
>>98878906>marriagesSo....did he consummate the marriages? I would think that would be a pretty important part of a political marriage (even if just to sire heirs/next in line for thrones or whatever, and I would figure, they didnt know about him being a primarch, neither did he, so they wouldnt know about them being sterile, if they actually are/were).
>>98879818It is mentioned that, despite the political nature of his marriages, he did love some some of his spouses. He outlived them all :'(
How many HQ & High Command do (You) bring at 3k? Tell me about /your dudes'/ chain of command
>>98879817The reason is "you need a detachment for cheap". But I get what you mean in how niche the use case is. They just mainly suffer from having the same equipment costs as centurions, which means if you DO kit them out the price difference stops being that significant (its cheaper to take one centurion than two kitted out optae even). Making them "base" cheaper could help fix that end result, but also lead to abuse since they would be like 25pts to unlock a detachment then. Really I think they need to do "something" beyond just "being a command choice". Maybe they provide a free "logistical benefit" effect, so not a full extra detachment but some extra slot (maybe with some restrictions), or maybe they have some shenanigans for LD/status removal ("theyre closer to the men and therefore the rank and file trust them more") or whatever.>>98880117Praetor + 2~ right hand men.
>>98879632>the gap between melee units and regular units might be the closest it's ever beenIts actually the opposite. Charging doesent give an advantage, so units are pretty locked to their profiles in terms of what they get. Melee units have 2 or even 3a base, while non melee units tend to have 1. You might find SOME niche cases where you can make it work, but for the most part there arent many "hybrid units" unless you count things like terminators. DG melee is totally viable though, none of the strategies are legion locked this time around.>scythes suck"yes"Scythes are good (especially with the reaping blow changes), theyre power axes+, the issue with them is the same issue as all other "power weapon upgrades" face, which is that base power weapons are overcosted and the upgrade ends up being thunder hammer/power fist points. But for their weight class theyre a perfectly respectable weapon.
>>98875567>I remember seeing an anon who painted his Legions Solar Auxilia models as the LoGH Rosenritter. Could also pass for pre-chaos Luna Wolves too, but it seems odd that LoGH sporadically gets mentioned here from time to time. Is there some kind of reason for this?Long ago some anons on /tv/ said that LotGH was one of the few good animes and the rest is history. If only Ferrus was here...
>>98871627The fists don't have much to do with Inwit
Going to be converting the red corsairs captain for a SA commander. Thoughts on using the death maiden head?
>>98880844Don't see anything wrong with it, as long as it suits the style of force your making. The head has a relatively flat connection point, so it could be easy to get it to mount.
>>98877349A blessed machine made for the battlefield but relegated to the display cabinet. Omnissiah, I hate art fags.
>>98880844Why would you want a DEI hire for your force?
>>98881107I dont have any gay people (loyalists) in my force?
>>98881107what else would you use the women for, they can't become marines
>>98880758It is true that (ranged) units can no longer level the field by charging anymore, that everyone remains what their datasheet says they are... but seeing how guns no longer block charging... you know?Like yeah, Despoilers or Assault marines would win combat against say Tacticals or HSS. But the latter could, with some luck, do enough with shooting that you can play them aggressively and seize ground with them. So not melee, but you could still play them aggressive and forward, right?Though now that I think of it, only Tacticals and specifically HSS benefit from the DG trait, isn't it?>base power weapons are overcostedOoh so that's it>and the upgrade ends up being thunder hammer/power fist pointsYeah, plenty of times you can end your train of thought with "...or I could just take a TH". And axes aren't such a wild option that a better one is too exciting.
>>98881137>So not melee, but you could still play them aggressive and forward, right?Oh yea absolutely. Theres even some ranged units which are basically built for that (assault weapons basically fire twice per turn if you charge, so some volkite veterans do a LOT of damage. or veteran HSS who can volley fire heavy flamers).>>98881137>Though now that I think of it, only Tacticals and specifically HSS benefit from the DG trait, isn't it?Anything with heavy (that isnt a tank), but those tend to be the shootier units. Its really good on siege terminators, since they want to waddle up the board while shooting anyways.
>>98880117I mean, 2-3 command and a high command, not much reason to not bring em even if I don't need to. But obviously the full chain of command isn't represented in game because even 5k games are too small to be really representative of the force, but it goes something like >THE CHOSEN (Representatives of Erebus in the chapter, believes the gifts of chaos are to be kept close, not shared with the masses)Lord Herod, the Tyrant (Saturnine Praetor)--Arch Chaplain Ahab, the Vengeful One (Terminator Centurion)----The Godbringers (Indomitus Terminators)----The Trial by Fire (Tartaros Siege Squad)----The Painkillers (Tartaros Command Squad)--Iconoclast Cain, the Evening Star (Saturnine Centurion)----The Weavers of Sorrow (Saturnine Terminators)----The Crucible (Saturnine Terminators)----The Redeemers of Souls (Saturnine Command Squad --Coryphaus Zedekai, the Hellbent (Champion)----The Witnesses of God (Veteran Tactical Squad)----The Hell Patrol (Praetorian Command Squad)THE FAITHFUL (Representatives of Kor Phaeron in the chapter, believe it's their duty to bear the word of the Dark God's through the galaxy)Demagogue Judas, the Resin (Delegatus)--Arch Sorcerer Balaam, the Demonizer (Librarian)----The Saints in Hell (Gal Vorbak)----The Angels of Retribution (Gal Vorbak)--Sorcerer Kyaphas, Shepherd of the Pyre (Diabolist)----The Blood Brothers (Despoiler Squadl----The Powerslaves (Tactical Support Squad)----Electric Eye (Rapier Battery)--Sorcerer Balaam, the Deceiver (Diabolist) ----The Seventh Sons (Despoiler Squad)----The Chains of Misery (Tactical Support Squad)----Screaming for Vengeance (Rapier Battery)--Falling Angel Haman, the Hellion (Master of Descent) ----Children of the Damned (Assault Squad)----The Sons of Thunder (Ashen Circle)----The Vicious Circle (Ashen Circle)And that's not even including the independents, like the MoS' rising mini faction & dreads, or the loose cannon Phraetus Conclave
>>98881150Oh right siege termies. Eh it'd be nice if they could use power fists instead of having to use chainfists specifically. -1A is a price too high.But yeah other units only have a couple heavy guns, if at all.
>>98881224>Eh it'd be nice if they could use power fists instead of having to use chainfists specifically. -1A is a price too highIt might be, but consider the folllowing: theyre an autocannon HSS that are terminators. Theyre worse at melee than other terminators, but theyre still okay at it, and they shoot really hard.
>>98881194>the ResinWhy not plastic? Does he want cancer or something?I assume its "the risen"
>>98880117>Tell me about /your dudes'/ chain of commandThe overall army is led by Savek Rheeve "the valiant", who serves as praetor in my games and is the guy in charge. For his unorthodox (some say cowardly) methods he has been assigned a 1st company attaché led by Arbek Garathon (my terminator centurion) - nominally to assist him in battle but really to keep an eye on him and make sure he remains in line (and kill him if he looks like he isnt going to), this is where the terminator forces of my collection come in. Then theres the main company and its various consuls and centurions, who are all nominally loyal to Savek Rheeve, and have in many cases an uneasy relationship with the first company delegation. The main players there are the likes of Cadremaster Sykor (a brutish centurion who sees himself as something of a company champion (hes paragon of battle in most games hes in) and leads the lower order grunts - such as terror squad - into battle).So basically:>overall commandSavek Rheeve "the valiant", master of the 13th company.>13th company forces-Cadremaster Sykor, Centurion and frequent right hand/champion of Savek Rheeve, dislikes Arbek Garathon (whom he sees as replacing him as the 2nd in command/for class conflict reasons)-Various other consuls and centurions *--Conventional formations within the company ** not exhaustively named for space reasons. >1st company forcesArbek Garathon of the Atramentar-Librarian Menethis, ally and confidant of Arbek Garathon--The Bloody Hand, Contenkar terminators--The Lords of Ruin, Atramentar flay-clade
>>98881194>full chain of command isn't represented in game because even 5k games are too smallWew. My warband's chain of command is one Centurion, sole HQ of a poison ship ("Draught of Lethe"). Though I hadn't yet thought of squad names like you did."Screaming for Vengeance" is a great name for a rapier battery, but what's with Judas "the Resin" lol
>>98881098Nobody plays Titanicus anyway
>>98881256>>98881344Autocorrect has failed me for the last time. Yes, it's the Risen, all of the squads and character epithets are rock and metal songs, mostly Judas Priest but pulling from all over. Even the name of the chapter is the Solar Angels, who become the Sons of Judas by 40k when Judas betrays Herod during the scouring as he attempts for daemonhood and most of the Chosen die with him.
>>98881354Yep, dead game
>>98880117>Tell me about /your dudes'/ chain of commandThere isn't much of one. Everyone's united in purpose but command is generally held by popular figures (that's a pun, you see) that have gathered people around them or ad hoc groups that just stuck together around the couple of guys who had their head on straight. At 3k I'd bring at least 5, probably 6.
>>98881579I was rather wanting to know how many centurions or praetors or whatever you were bringing lol.I'm still finding out how many HQ is a "healthy" amount for a 3k list
>>98881640Doesn't it just depend on what you want to do or bring? HQs are more like chaperones now.
>>98881640Theres no "fixed number". As many as you need/want. >>98881729A lot of them are also very individually potent, so it depends on what you want them for and how the force around the works.
>>98870975Every day my dude. Every day
>>98881752I'm glad I got to play with my BS7 plasma moritat even just once.
>>98881816BS7 Moritat?
>>98881832Before the Alone and Forgotten nerf
so apparently they're gonna do christmas boxes for heresy? what the hell would they even do?obviously for main armies, but are they really gonna do custodes this soon? would they dare do daemons?are they just gonna do generic space marines? or dare to focus on specific legions?
>>98882014It'll just be army boxes like usual. I don't think they're cool enough to do legion themed boxes
Decided to use a dark eldar head I had spare instead. The positioning is largely mockup for now, as ill need to sculpt the missing fur once I affix it. A 40mm base is technically wrong for a solar aux character, but I dont see why it would cause any issues so fuck it.
>>98882014It will be overstock from releases that didn't sell this year plus some bodies. If we're lucky it will be themed around the armor marks.
>>98882183Do people really bitch about base sizes being "wrong"?
whyjust why
>>98882394I have not personally experienced it, but it is something I think about when making my models for various games, and something I try to have be "proper" where reasonable/possible.
>>98882403???
>>98882403Y-yeah...and don't you forget it!
>>98882403It's the legion specific variant.
>>98882403I feel like you could add some Tyranid carapace bits and claws, and have it be like a mimic creature that disguises itself as an Imperial flyer.
>>98882403The bat plane?
>>98882403what am i being forced to see with my eyes
>>98882403oh my god is that the guy we kept saying heat gun to
>>98882379i'm expecting a lot of tanks
do marines have any self propaled/anti tank guns with similar esthethic to this.
>>98883349I get that it's somewhat realistic but I honestly think the whole 'cover my tank in tarps, ERA bricks and sandbags' aesthetic just doesn't work, at least for non-historicals. Especially in this case when the land raider is inexplicably clean.
>>98883435No.
>>98883435You mean asides from the vindicator, sicaran venator, cerberus and typhon?
>>98883435Closest would probably be the OOP legion medusa.
>>98883435
>>98876054Who's the Kircheis of HH?
>I LOVE TUUUBES!
>>98883435not AT but we had the legion medusa
>>98883594
>>98883435The Falchion has big Ferdinand energy. Only based god engine killer instead of a meme killer of its own engine.
>>98883594God please don't tell me the books tried to make horus' tube's into medical equipment for his fugue state thing, I just realized that's a possibility.
>>98883349Closeups of the units pls?
>>98881135Soon.
>>98883532Ferrus.
>>98871708Then why is this separate from /40kg/?
>>98879632>>98879745A DG Veteran Despoiler Squad with Power Mauls and Disintegrator Pistols would be cool. Power armoured trench raiders.
>>98883481I appriciate naming them. I am new to the hobby and confused by the store page, I bought a few models, only to be told they are for the wrong kind of game. So decided to ask around here. >>98883517>>98883622>>98884046Thanks. I really do like how the SaberNeutronClean looks, but like a Stug II. hope there was a tank that is similar to a Jagd Panzer with one of those coil barrle weapons. But if it doesn't, then it doesn't. Falchion look awesome, but the price is above my budget range. Also isn't it kind of a big comparing to to other other tanks
>>98884779They squatted marines. Feels like something Horus saw in a vision
>>98884790Idk about mauls. Trench warfare looks cool, but idk about striking later.
>>98879632>charging doesn't really give you any advantageplay one game as DG and come back and tell us how you lost because you didn't use your chemshitters for volley attacks you mind palace fuck
>>98884779Because /hhg/ is big enough that way
Can someone update the gofile link with the new books?
>>98884779Different setting. Even 40k's idea of 30k is different than what sabertooth, BL or FW did.
>>98885759Like they don't volley on the defensive. I would be afraid of charging a bunch of Deathshroud, they are an Oops All Alchem unit masquerading as melee terminators
>>98879322Conversion beamer and volkite beamer with laser blasters on top. No gyros, ever.
>>98874405Based
>>98884725Hmm, the 'dies early and everyone misses him' angle, sure. Not sure if he's bishie enough though.
>>98884779Open a black book.
>>98885317If you wanna be a waacfaggot instead of rule of cool, go ahead.
>>98885317If you want to WAAC just swap the Disintegrators out for Alchem Casters.Same cost and you've now got 5-10 Poisoned (2+) templates that don't care about BS on volley attacks and also don't have a 1/12 chance of killing your own guys.Striking last won't matter when there's not even a squad left after the charge.
I have a question about the "uniform" styles in Horus Heresy. I fancy white black and white blue uniforms of late XVIIIth century Prussian military. So I was very happy to notice that one legion has a white with blue accented look. But does it break immersion, if a few elements of the armour were painted in red or light red ?
>>98885317Mauls are actually very good. The thing is that most weapons that go before mauls (I/I+1 weapons) dont hit very hard. All the hard hitting stuff goes after them (thunder hammers, power fists). So you will often be able to weather the initial damage and then hit back very hard. There are exceptions of course (twin lightning claws), but those are somewhat rarer than either "no weapon" (chainswords count as "no weapon") or "slow weapon". And one of the primary functions of power weapon units is to bully chaff.
>>98890020Assuming you mean the World Eaters, it's explicitly canon, see pic related
>>98890020Legions are not uniform. Each one consists of hundreds of Companies, scattered across an entire galaxy. While they have a 'core' colour scheme, any group of marines might diverge from that as a result of role, honour markings, tactical necessity or simply circumstances. They might have been separated from their Legion homeworld for decades, over which time their Commanders have made any number of modifications. > begin life as the XX Company> shipped away from homeworld in Legion colours with generic Mechanicus gear> fight a bloody campaign; armour now sports a red hand in memory of the fallen> fight a campaign on a night world; armour now includes black elements> fight a campaign where the Recon guys do something heroic; recon guys now wear all blackRinse and repeat over 100 years and you can get away with anything.
>>98890020The legions do have "paint schemes", but theres a lot of flexibility within that. Company markings, squad markings and even individual heraldry can account for a lot of differences in terms of accent color, details, or even the "order" of the colors.
>>98890147>>98890150Not to mention if you're playing traitor legion loyalists/loyalist legion traitors, you can easily justify an entirely new scheme because they're trying to avoid friendly fire.Eg: For my loyalist SoH/WB shattered legion I have them in grey and black (plus some hints of green at the edges for the SoH) with the idea being they've stripped the paint from their armour and are relying primarily on their respective chapter badges for identification instead of the legion emblem (a variant of the old Lunar Wolves' wolf emblem for the SoH and a crown of thorns for the WB respectively)
when is someone gonna post a pdf of the new judgement of valdor?
>>98890812Custodes were a mistake
what are the good weapons to pick for questoris knights? playin around with a list and currently have one with las/cannon and one with melta/cannon but i dunno if this is a bad idea
>>98890134>>98890147>>98890150Thanks. Blue, white and a bit red are the most manly of colours.
>>98891168Ah yes, optimus prime colors.
>>98890147>red handsNigga that's a mark of shame for Night Lords and red helmets were initially a mark of censure too for Ultras.
>>98870807what to get, land raider or spartan? transporting two squads of bulky dudes
>>98890181Yeah I can see a lot of the traitor loyalists going back to their OG schemes, I swear this was mentioned in the black books.
>>98891757What squads?
>>98880750Simple solution is make Optae able to take multiple guys in one slot (like Militia Discipline Masters or old Apothecaries/Techmarines) and while the first guy is the current price, the rest are massively discounted in price.>>98891763Siege of Cthonia definitely mentions it, the Thousand Sons in that are using their pre-Magnus colours.
>>98891771dominator cohort and siege tyrants, x5 each
>>98890103>Don't bully me Maulgatoro chan
>>98890103If you think about it, Mauls' AP3 Br(6+) isn't that far from Axes' AP Br(5+)
>>98891951Mathematically the Axe is 16.7%-28.6% better against TEQs while the Maul is 25% better against MEQs:>Cataphractii = 7/36 (Axe) vs 6/36 (Maul) chance to deal an unsaved wound for each hit>Maul = 2/3x(1/4x1/2+3/4x1/6)x1/2=0.167>Axe = 1/2x(2/3x1/2+1/3x1/6)=0.194>Tartaros = 9/36 (Axe) vs 7/36 (Maul) chance to deal an unsaved wound for each hit>Maul = 2/3x(1/4x2/3+3/4x1/6)=0.194>Axe = 1/2x(2/3x2/3+1/3x1/6)=0.25>Marines = 24/36 (Axe) vs 30/36 (Maul) chance to deal an unsaved wound for each hit>Maul = 5/6>Axe = 2/3So yeah, not much difference
>>98884779Because the rule sets are far to different now. 3rd - 7th ed which HH rule sets follow/stem from, are way to different from 8th+3rd-7th + HH1.0-3.0 are like DnD 3.5e8th-11th is like DnD 5e.Same game, two completely different systems.
>>98891757Depends on what you are unting with them. Are you looking to make a death ball to charge at your opponants deathball/HQ and retinue? Then a spartan.Looking to bully MEQ with 5 man squads? 2 LR.
>>98892048>Because the rule sets are far to different now.And famously Titanicus and Horus Heresy share the same basic ruleset
>>98892066Well more that modern titanicus/Epic is also set in the HH.
>>98870807can i talk about 5e and 6e here?I miss running warbosses on battle wagons with power claws and boarding planks.
Power Swords should give the user a 6++ invuln/+1 to other invulns in melee to make them viable compared to Axes and MaulsChange my mind
>>988920488th is when they started giving vehicles wounds right? when did they remove flamer templates?
>>98892079i thought they already had AP 3
>>98892085Yes, 8th was >Removal of armor facings>Rending AP system rather then all or nothing>removal of BS and WS chart>Removal of templates>All vehciles got toghnessamong many other things.
>>98892079>change my mindOk, power sword should actually just give you +1 attack and keep the rest of their stat line.
>>98892095god 8th sucked.talk about dumbing shit down for plebs.
>>98892125then you no fun allowed HH punks had to give all the xeno factions the boot because you hate fun.. (sigh)
>>98892095you know one thing i did like about newer edition is that you don't always have to match your enemy point for point, that its okay for your forces to be a little uneven, especially with "What you see is what you get". I don't want to have to redesign my entire army cause I gave someone a plasma pistol instead of a bolt pistol.
>>98892143woah woah woah hold the fuck up. Im pro xeno factions in HH Rule sets, in fact, I want GW to put out a great crusade supplement to include eldar, orks, and then a build-a-xeno work shop style codex like daemons were.
>>98892093See >>98890103, they may be AP3 but the Maul being higher Strength means even though the Sword goes first it can't kill enough of the enemy to make a difference when they hit back.Eg: 10 Sword Vets get 30 attacks, 15 hits, 7.5 wounds and 3.75 dead enemy Maul Vets. The remaining 6.25 Maul Vets get 18.75 attacks, 3.90625 hits, 7.8125 wounds and 3.90625 dead Sword Vets.>>98892143>Nooo, why can't the Heresy historical now have xenos in it to suit 40k refugees?!Just play 7th edition or older
>>98892079you're an idiot, you have no mind to change
>>98892046gambler's fallacy
>>98892164He has a point about Power Swords being outclassed.I don't think the +1 invulns are the solution though, if only because it'd lead to shit like a brick of 2++ Imperial Fists Terminators
>>98892156>Nooo, why can't the Heresy historical now have xenos in it to suit 40k refugees?!You are gonna look me dead ass in the eyes and say you dont want a great crusade suplement where you get to have the imperium at the height of their power fighting the greatest ork waaaaah in history? You are telling me you dont what official rules to renact the war on murder?
>>98892168+1 to invulns is not the answer.The answer is give Powerswords a +1 to attacks.
>>98892150oh. well, cool then, i guess.You know what I always wanted to do that was slightly illegal?>Combine the SM and CSM into one codex>An entire core book for Death Watch, Sisters of Battle, Grey Knights and the Imperial Guard>Put Eldar, Dark Eldar, and Necrons into an "Elder Races" Codex>Put Orks, Tau, and Tyranids in a "Xeno Races" CodexYou could put in some killer art and lore and start charging 100+ dollars a codex, instead of nickel and diming people for a fucking 'data slate' or whatever the fuck.Maybe include a reskinned copyrighted version of Battlescribe on a QR code or something similiar.
>>98892172No, why would I, that'd be neat.I'm just against the idea of HH specifically turning into the last refuge of 7th edition Taudar meta chasers.
>>98892172only if you anti-fun punks let me run my T'au
>>98892156aren't power mauls S +1 AP 4?
>>98892182>>98892183>The duality of man
>>98892181that would also be the blood angels and any other snowflake marine codexes in the gigantic marine codex.
>>98892182>I'm just against the idea of HH specifically turning into the last refuge of 7th edition Taudar meta chasers.I 100% understand this but i think we need to come to terms with the reality that HH is more then likely going to become a soft reboot of 40k. We already see GW moving the story into the scouring. It is my suspicion that what is going to happen is GW is going to treat HH like they treat the old world, as system to bring back players who wanted the older system. It is my prediction taht eventually we will see the setting enter into the scouring and the inclusion of older races/factions, while maintaining legions and legion rulesets while also bringing the ability to make chapters of "Your dudes" and you will see xeno races such asEldar, Crons, Nids(maybe), orks and Choas in general.
>>988921837e tau were the worse.fucking riptides man
>>98892185No
>>98892198>7e tau were the worstNo, not even close, i mean dont get me wrong riptide spam was cancer as fuck, but let me tell you something, LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING!Warp spiders, and dark lances can go royally FUCK themselves.
do you still run formations and detachments in HH? There were some absolutely busted shit fo IG and SMs, like i get that you wanted something to do with all those rhinos and razorbacks but god damn.
>>98892204oh fuck yeah, i don't miss eldar cheese at all. some people at the LA bunker wouldn't even play against Eldar unless it was a turney it was so bad.
>>98892183>>98892204>>98892211This is what I meant by not wanting this to become a refuge of 7th edition WAACfags...
>>98892211Those never came to HH, decurion formations and formations giving free shit was purely a 7th edition invention
>>98892194The scouring series is just the HH series without Horus and the others who died.It's going to cover it until the point the Legions were dissbanded at best. Same for any potential gaming supplement. That would be the true ending of 30k.It's delusional to believe GW is gonna add 40k factions like xenos. That's not gonna happen. They'd rather make the HH game use nu40k rules than port 40k units to AoD
>>98892203okay, but wasn't that what it used to be in 40k? what am i thinking of then? thunder hammers, croixus or whatever the fuck chaplains use..I remember cause I wanted to make a squad of Salamander vets with jump packs and power mauls and name them "El Kabong"
>>98892225This. Is. Not. Old. 40K.Go back to /40kg/
>>98892215I would play against them but my stipulation was, if you were spamming more then one unit of warp spiders or making a eldar bike death star, i would not play with you. Shit was so fucking cancer. My local scene just banned the use of fortune and invise spells becuase they were such bullshit. >>98892216dont get me wrong i dont want it either but i think we will see the introduction of xeno races sooner rather then later. >>98892221>It's delusional to believe GW is gonna add 40k factions like xenos.Again, only time will tell but it is my belief they are going to. For better or for worse, we will have to see.
>>98892218I did kind of miss the formation cheese a bit, but truth be told I was never going to be able to afford and paint all those models before the edition churn made them all obsolete.
>>98892183fuck off back to the plane'arium
>>98892225>I remember cause I wanted to make a squad of Salamander vets with jump packs and power mauls and name them "El Kabong"Since when are Sallies Iberian?
>>98892216>7th edition WAACfagsBuddy you're 10 years too late for that, where do you think the book 4ish boom in HH came from? It was marine waacfags who were running scared from Eldar and Daemon bullshit at the start of the edition and saw the writing on the wall. 7th edition waacfags is why we got betrayal at calth and burning of prospero. You owe HH as it existed for the last 10 years to 7th edition waacfags
>>98892233El Kabong was Mexican you potato. >>98892236My hot take is this. 7th ed was actaully pretty good UNTIL, the angels of death supplement, that fucked everything up royally. But you are not wrong. A lot of people started to jump to hh in 7th ed.
>>98892242Since when are Sallies Mexican?
>>98892243They are not, el kabong is mexican.
>>98892203>>98892228well your a friendly little guy, arentchya?
>>98892246So why are you naming your Sallies after a random Mexican?
>>98892255I dont fucking know im not naming them, anon is, im just saying that he is Mexican not Albanian.
>>98892246El Kabong is a horse, nigger
>>98892251Permanent means permanent
>>98892258Since when is Albania in Iberia?
>>98892181>>98892191what do you guys think of this? it'd be expensive, but it'd be great for filtering plebs and it would be hella convenient.Not sure what you'd do with cultists and daemons, probably roll them in with CSM
>>98892261Permanent what? I don't follow
>>98892273I don't care about it and this isn't the general for itGo away
>>98892260What you saying a horse cant be a mexican now?!
>>98892278The permanent ban you've gotten from this website, decalfag
>>98892279ohhh, but you are a sandy little butthole aren't you? Have you gatekeeped HH to death yet or are people still into it enough to tolerate your presence?
>>98892282decalfag?>>98892280no, but that one for sure is white. No mexican's that goofy.cept maybe pablo.poor pablo.
>>98892285>NOOO, you have to let me talk about 40k in the HH general, you just do okay!!!
>>98892291okay, but are you a mod, or just some little pissant fanboy? cause everybody else seems to be fine with it.
>>98892297>cause everybody else seems to be fine with itYou mean the guys who are just refusing to engage with your 7th waacshit?
>>98892297>but are you a modThe term is janny, you've outed yourself now so go back to r*ddit
>>98892303bro, weren't you listening? 7th ed is when i crashed out. 5e and 6e were my jam.
>>98892297>Mod>4chanYikes my guy...Edit: Wow thank you for all the upvotes it means a lot to meEdit 2: OMG i did not expect to get all this reddit gold you guys are awesome.
>>98892316Don't care, didn't ask, go back to /40kg/
>>98892303as compared to horus heresy, where you just buy out your opponent with better models and having 12 hours to paint and assemble a titan.
>>98892319sorry, i'm not leaving.you can either deal or work for free.your call.
>>98892324I mean, first of all most games are won by tacticals sitting on objectives all fucking game longsecond it takes a lot longer then 12 hours to build and paint a titanThird titans suck fucking asshole in 3.0
>>98892335Don't be too harsh, he's never played a game of the general he's decided to squat in so he wouldn't know
>>98892335nah, i was just raggin on ya, HH cool, this guys just giving me a hard time >>98892291
>>98892349>I was merely pretending to be retarded
>>98892342au contrere faggoote' I distinctly remember getting assblasted as a new warhammer fan by thunder hammer storm shield termies during 6e as Tau and having a bit of a bitch fit. Was still fun though120 fucking dice and i killed like 2.
>>98892358>as TauThis explains so much
>>98892352You were?oh thank god.was afraid i was going to end up on the news again.
>>98892358>Gets accused of never having played 30k>Acktually I played 6th editionYou're actually retarded, holy shit
>>98892371oh, yes, right HH, i have not played that. Honestly surprised its still around with men of your caliber dominating the whorosphere.
Anyway, sell me on HH. I assume I need about 5 grand in the bank to get started? Enough for a down payment on a economy car?
>>98892381>i have not played thatThen why are you here?
>>98892395i just want to reminisce you crusty angry asshole. go wipe.If you don't want me to talk about 40k I won't, since your obviously just going to bitch and whine until I stop and make any civil conversation impossible.Tell me about HH and why orks rob the toy army men of their gravitas.
>>98892405>Getting this worked up about people calling out his retardationYou're a yank, aren't you?
>>98892416No bro, i just don't want to get banned. But yes, I am indeed an American. I am aware our superiority has caused some controversy.
>>98892405To really cause these spergs to have an autistic meltdown, say something along the lines of "I don't hate primaris marines with the fury of 10 billion blazing suns" or post a model you converted using any primaris bits.They really hate the fact that primaris exists and have been seething about it for a literal decade.Alternatively, you could say something about how you like the new HH3 marine kits, maybe something like "xenos could be an interesting addition to the game", or perhaps just how you like to kitbash your models with bits you have lying around without caring about their specific providence.As you say, they are indeed a bunch of crusty, angry assholes who just bitch and whine about things and have no real interest in discussing the setting beyond their little hugbox.Honestly, just go to literally any other forum if you want to actually discuss HH.
>>98892526I just miss my 5e codex and listbuilding bro.But sure, lets talk about Horus Heresy.
>>98891500That's red, blue, and silver(metal)
>>98892526I don't really care for Primaris Marines either, but I don't make that my whole basis of my personality.I wish it'd been more of a limited edition thing with live scale models.
>>98892258>Albanian.Anon Iberia is spain. It refers to the iberian peninsula, which is where spain + portugal are.
>>98892185No, they USED to be S+2 Ap4 concussive, but this was in 6e. They are currently S+2 Ap3 Breaching 6+, initiative -1. They used to be S+2 Ap3 at initiative. Theyre very potent weapons for fighting normal dudes.
>>98892167Anon the gamblers fallacy is "I rolled 6 1s so I am due a 6". Not "this is the statistical average for a given outcome".
>>98892763sounds more like mauls need a nerf than power swords need a buff. whats "breaching"?
>>98892851Basically rending, but no effect on vehicles and has to be a "legal" wound (so slightly worse rending). >nerf to power maulsPersonally I dont think any power weapons are so good they need nerfs, at least compared to other weapons. Within the class? Power swords are the uniquely bad one, because theres basically never a situation you want them.
>>98892858i just meant a nerf to bring it inline with power swords, not cause its OP.Are power axes the same? S +1 AP 2 go last on initiative, or am i misremembering?
>>98892884>Are power axes the same?Bit different now. S+1 I-1 breaching 5+ Ap3. So slightly worse Ap, but now go before thunder hammers and the like. All in all every "generic" power weapon except the power sword has its place/is balanced against the others.
>>98892858speaking of rending, I kind of miss assault cannons tearing T4 units apart. I don't suppose you get much use out of them with MEQ 3 up armor saves being the norm in HH
>>98892905Assault cannons, at leas the sort IF and BA have, still tear MEQ apart just fine.
>>98892260Tiroloco McGraw's alter ego, Relámpago (Lightning)
>>98892772you didn't even understand what you wrote here as you were writing it that's impressively stupid
>>98892945Okay, youre a retard. No, "on average if you roll six dice you will get a six at least once" is not the same as "I rolled 5 dice and did not get a six, and therefore the next roll is guaranteed to be a six". One is statistical truth, the other is a fallacy which assumes that past outcomes affect future outcomes, and that the probability goes up from 1/6 if you didnt get it long enough.
>>98892945I'm due that 6, though. All the other options are "spent"
I think I would have liked mauls to be S+1 at regular initiative more than S+2 at i-1. We already have axes for delayed reward idk.>But that would make swords so very worse+1A for swords
Power swords: At initiative, at strength, ap2Power axes: -1 initiative, +1 strength, ap2Power mauls: -1 initiative, +2 strength, ap3 concussive
Any tips for bending resin parts straight? (recast)I tried soaking this particular sword in hot water straight out of a boiling pot but it doesn't seem to be enough to let it take on the new angle without springing back. Do I just need to go hotter? heat gun/hair dryer etc what do you use?
>>98893058I pour boiling water into a shotglass, with another tap-cold shotglass for cooling. I put the part of the piece that needs to bend the most into the hot water first, and then I gradually work the fittings. Someone here said to glue one end into the appropriate spot first, which is decent advice, but depending on the exact piece angling it can become troublesome.
>>98893070Ok so I'm doing the same thing pretty much. I tried dipping the piece in hot water for like 30 seconds then bending it straight and cooling it in water that didn't work out, so I tried leaving it in hot for longer about 5 minutes and try again it didn't really make a difference. I'm starting to think this resin may be more resistant to heating than normal.
>>98893119I was bending things with impunity within seconds of immersion. Either your water's temperature isn't up to snuff or you've got some other kind of resin..
>>98893132Alright thanks for the sanity check. I'll report back if I figure it out later.
>>98892961gambler's fallacy>>98892958you're using statistics like it's probabilityit's not, you're just a fucking tard who keeps wringing tortured tautologies out to justify your misunderstanding of the basics of probability; the game isn't played with percentages of wounds, it's played with whole wounds - you either do or don'tas you said yourself you're not guaranteed shit; you could roll the same D6 fo a million years and never roll a 6 and it wouldn't mean there was anything wrong with that dice - just that it never rolled a 6wouldn't affect the probability at all, or even the stats - except for that one interesting D6get to the point where you're drunkenly weeping about your fucking perfect system outside the casino already and let the rest of us get on with our lives, mind palace
>>98893208I don't think you understand how unlikely it is to roll a die a million times and never rolling a 6. It's like at random picking a specific atom in the observable universe. 989 times in a row.
>>98893208I have to give it to this guy, he's technically correct. >>98893282>roll a die a million times and never rolling a 6It never changes from 1/6
>>98893319>It never changes from 1/6Per any individual roll, yes. But it was specifically "the same D6". So, with each roll, the chance of not rolling a 6 diminishes.
>>98893327Anon...
>>98893334>"If I roll a million D6s, the odds of not rolling a single 6 is 83.33%"
>>98893362That's different. You understand why that's different right?
>>98893440Do explain the difference between rolling a million D6s and rolling a D6 a million times. Also, assume the million D6s are rolled one after another for good measure, rather than all in a big bucket. You know, for that 1/6 chance per roll.
>>98893440The math is different, but indeed what he said is "no way the probability of not being a single 6 in one million d6 dice rolls is 83%". I mean indeed that ain't so, for that's a combination.But it's also true that the 6 IS due when you do take into account the previous rolls, even though it is still the same probability every time. It just isn't just probability alone anymore
>>98889657>5-10 Poisoned (2+) templates that don't care about BS on volley attacksThis feels criminal. Martial might doesn't matter when the other guy just fucking melts into goo
>>98893058I just heat gun that niggablast it with the melta, if you know what I mean
>>98893058I use a cheap hot air gun I got from amazon. I usually set it to around 500ish, and just wave the end of it back and forth over the problem part, once its soft, straighten out with fingers and hold until cooled, hasnt failed me yet (and trust me, im a shakey fuck with ham hands at the best of times, I dont really have a super soft touch anymore these days, but I havent had a SINGLE PIECE fail from hot air yet. I had always figured it would be one of those "you sacrifice like 30 pieces before you "get the hang of it" " situations, but nope, it was smooth as butter right from the get go, I WISH I had just got one for my tool chest right from the beginning).
>>98893587Welcome to the Death Guard
whats up my horus huckleberries?
What sort of tweaks would you make to the current unit profiles/wargear options, anons?For me it's>Sergeant Melee Weapon either replaces the main gun (bolter/special/heavy) or it is taken in addition to it, no difference in cost this is just for WYSIWYG>Bayonets/Chain Bayonets are instead 'bayonet or combat knife' and 'chain bayonet or chainsword' and no longer require a specific gun to be taken>The additional 5 guys in a TSS/HSS come stock with bolters and upgrading them all to have the same special/heavy as the first 5 guys is optional>Despoilers and Assaults can all take combat shields in addition to their bolt pistol>Any Despoiler/Assault can swap their chainsword for a chainaxe or their chainsword and combat shield for a heavy chainsword/heavy chainaxe
>>98893909>What sort of tweaks would you make to the current unit profiles/wargear options, anons?Saturnine ranged weapon options are expanded to also include the normal heavy weapons, of which they can take 1-3 options (bring the head gun back games, it was cool).Their melee weapons are expanded to include the normal Terminator weapons.
>>98893587Let my destroyers have dual alchem casters, damn it
>>98893940But then Mortus Poisoners would be obsolete. It's not like we can give Destroyers Alchem Casters and find a way to make Mortus Poisoners good anyway (like just moving them out of Elites), that's impossible
>>98893940>40 Poisoned (2+) templatesThis is disgusting
>>98893944Chem Destoryers with jump packs always mogged Poisoners in 2.0
Idk how what to put inside the 6 transport capacity of that Land Raider Achilles.Two Meltas makes me think it's antitank, so I guess it should carry an anti infantry unit? Too bad disordered charges mean no volley
>>98893905the bangels are crying again
>>98893021Just give power weapons the same stats like the old rules and ignore all armour.
>>988939875 veteran breachers and a multimelta armistos
>>98893987Rapier Laser Destroyer and an Armistos w/ Multi Melta
>>98894011>>98894030The correct answer is actually 6 Veteran Supports with Meltaguns, you can kill a Fellblade in one turn if you go for its side armour:>Quad Gun = Can only glance AV13>3x Multi-Melta = 3x2/3x1/3x6=4 hull points>6x Meltagun = 6x2/3x1/2x6=12 hull points>6x Meltagun (Volley) = 6x1/3x1/2x6=6 hull points>Total = 24 hull points
>>98894055Correction, 22 Hull points, I'm retarded. Point is the Fellblade averages out as dead unless you somehow fail to unload your Vets behind it after the Achilles hits the side armour
So I got the bodies coming in to finish my space wolves 2K list, just gotta print a few special guns and that's done. I'm looking at my phyrexian mech force and I was eying vultarax, but 100 per is kinda steep at the same points. Are the vultarax any good. Like they LOOK decent, unless I'm missing something.TLDR: Thoughts on the floaty mech robutts, that cost as many dollars as points.
So they clarified that deep striking counts as moving your full distance. Did they clarify any differently for Interdiction Cadres concealed ambush reaction? Does a Death Guard tactical squad get to use Fury of the Legion after being deployed via concealed ambush?
>>98894055>>98894060Meltas aren't assault guns. Though it seems the Achilles is overkill and it lends itself for that
>>98894113>Meltas aren't assault guns>Laughs in Implacable Advance
>>98893208>you're using statistics like it's probabilityBecause it is. >the game isn't played with percentages of wounds, it's played with whole wounds - you either do or don'tThats great! It doesent change the statistical average result. Your inability to interpret data doesent make the data less valid, it makes you a retarded pseud. A 1w weapon that does 0.7 wounds on average is the same as saying "70% of the time this does a wound". >as you said yourself you're not guaranteed shitYea, no shit. The statistical average isnt guaranteed, breaking news! You can flip a coin a billion times and have it never come up heads, that doesent mean that the statistical average isnt 50% heads and 50% tails you dumb fuck (or 0.5 heads and 0.5 tails if you will).Well, "real world" its less than that accounting for weird edge cases like the coin landing on its side or a passing bird stealing it, also weight distribution and shit, but in the abstract >>98893465The odds of not rolling a single 6 over a million rolls are infinitesimally small (0.83^1,000,000 small - put that into a calculator and you get 0). The odds of rolling a 6 on any single roll are always 16% and will never change from that.
>>98894055Wait which book gave us Veteran Supports? I had no idea they existed.
>>98893922Retarded and broken, apply for a job at GWs 40k team.>lets take the terminators that balance being impossible to kill with super niche loadouts that limit what they can do offensively and then give them all the conventional heavy weapons in large numbers and also all the conventional melee weapons
>>98894282Legacies PDF. Theyre TSS/HSS with 2w and implacable advance. Also the only way to have a 10 man heavy disintegrator squad.
>>98894290Right, thanks.
I love tortuga so much.
>>98894106>Did they clarify any differently for Interdiction Cadres concealed ambush reaction?No.>Does a Death Guard tactical squad get to use Fury of the Legion after being deployed via concealed ambush?Yes, because its a reaction, everyone else gets fury too. Reactions ALWAYS count as stationary, you would need to have a status (which means you never benefit from being stationary, even if you are) to not get your heavy/ordnance bonuses when reacting.
>>98894100>Are the vultarax any good.Theyre fucking insanely busted. Have you actually looked at their weapons and defensive profile? All that for 100pts. And theyre in mech, so you can buff them and repair them.
>>98870807good news! I just dropped by to tell you Horus Heresy is Middle hammer! We won't post here, but you can post there. so come to /mog/ !
>>98894438The fuck is a middle hammer?
>>98894134Who's got both implacable advance and multiple meltaguns, anon? :O
>>98894784Oooh Veteran Support huh. Hmmm
>>98894789Veteran support squads are such a fun, versatile and interesting unit. Thinking about building a squad for my DA with plasma repeaters. Way too much points, but 30 plasma shots followed by 30 more with implacable advance sounds hella fun.
>>98893557>6 IS dueNothing is ever "due". I don't know if it just your word choice or what the breakdown is here. The odds of not rolling a single six with one million rolls is small, but not zero. That alone means it is not "due", but instead more and more likely. Stop using that phrasing, because that is wrong.>There hasn't been a six yet in this sequence, it is dueThat is the gamblers fallacy, cold.
>>98894868Yes, the chance is never 100%, but given enough rolls, realistically, the 6 will come because the odds of it not happening become astronomical. And that's not a fallacy. Gambling on the chance that a die will not roll a 6 on a million rolls is. You have a higher chance of winning the lottery several times over than achieving that. Finding a D6 that doesn't roll a 6 in a million rolls would itself constitute as a lottery win. That would be an artifact worthy of scientific study to figure out why it is the way it is.
lexicanum wiki admin is having a public meltdown because people forked the wiki to be out from under his petty tyranny
>>98894977>the 6 will come>Type one is the classic gambler's fallacy, where individuals believe that a particular outcome is due after a long streak of another outcome.
>>98895001Basedbasedbasedbased.
>>98895039Gamblers fallacy works on short-term. Yes, you can roll a D6 a hundred times and not get a 6, but as you roll more and more, the statistics begin the even out. But we're not talking about sort-term here. We're talking about a million rolls.
>>98892622white is in heraldy the same colour as silver. same as yellow is gold.
>>98895105This has to be top tier bait. There's no way you're simply doubling down on the fallacy like you're reading the wiki and choosing sound exactly like what it describes.
>>98895205Now go and start reading on the Law of Large Numbers while you're at it.
>>98894868The 6 is due = That 6 was promised to me 999,999 rolls ago
>>98895001How did they free the wiki from the pretty tranny?
>>98894808Volley is disabled for disordered charges. Otherwise, attaching a Moritat to them for Firestorm would be evil. Or are Moritats restricted to Bitter Duty squads once again?
>>98894377They seem okay, but don't you need multiple to kill a single vehicle? Ranged AP2 but not that much damage, right?
>>98894288It's going to be like 6 Saturnines for every 10 Cataphractii, at -1A -1I. No way they're that scary.
>>98895333they forked it. made a copy with the same stuff but where they get to make choices on wherer pages can be renamed or moved, how templates look, what the stylings can be like. anything beyond basic data entry.When you work on a community project you'd want to have some say in it.And like wikipedia, he's pocketing donations through patreon.among other things he doesn't understand how "attribution" in "attribution non-commercial share-alike" works
I'm having some trouble understanding melee aftermath options. The rules say if the enemy unit is falling back or disengaging then I can choose pursue, gun down or consolidate. But the recent FAQ says:>Q. Can the Gun Down and Pursue aftermath options be>used against an enemy Unit which had Disengaged from>the same combat?>A No.Seems like the only thing I can do against someone who disengages is consolidate with my thumb up my ass.
>>98893987Screw it. Triple Melta Achilles, Volkite Moritats with Volkite Destroyers.
>>98895412>"This shit runs smooth">40 pages of seethingAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAH
>>98895412Lmao even better it's a seething tranny
>>98895458
>>98895549Lexicanum chief is also trans?
>>98895458You misunderstand. To be able to use pursue or gun them down, all enemy units in the same combat have to be falling back or disengaging - but you can only use pursue or disengage on a unit that is falling back.It's very unclear, but that is what the rules say.
>>98895342Moritats are restricted by bitter duty once again - the world is healing.Firestorm only affects the model(s) that have the special rule, it's only the choosing not to commit to the charge part that afffects the entire unit.>no volley with disordered chargewell yeah, that's why I won't charge my veteran support squad out of a Rhino
>>98895702The convo started with what to put in a land raider Achilles, which doesn't have an assault ramp
>>98895702>>98895821Hmm, technically Achilles and Rhinos would be very useable to power armored melee units without assault guns with acceptable loss of efficiency.Combat-shielded Veterans, Despoilers and Praetorian guards
>>98895821Oh. Well in that case, either a regular support squad or some form of melee veterans in power/artificer armour should do.
would anyone really care if I used manticores as legion basilisks?I just own two manticores is all, they would be appropriately painted etc for the legion
>>98895994People here seem to care if you use the wrong rivets, anon. But irl it'll probably be fine
>>98895994Ehh a game with painted models is a game with painted models.
>>98895346>but don't you need multiple to kill a single vehicle?Sure, theyre only D2 I believe. But theyre also 100pts (so less than any vehicle short a rhino or the like) and they have shock, which means theyll cripple whatever they shoot at anyways most of the time.
>>98896329and they got firestorm and implacable advance, so double the firepower at close range
>>98895994Feel like Whirlwind would be a better fit. Just give it a pintle HB on the hull mount.
>>98896402yeah but the whirlwind already exists as a unit
>>98895001Link to said drama? Also, what does this mean in none-culture war bullshit speak?
>>98895994Smashed some custodes today. The state of the board when we called it (due to the custodes throwing in the towel) was one terminator on one wound, one jetbike on one wound, a tribune (full wounds) and a telemon (full wounds) as all that was left of the force. The score was 29 to 9 in my favor. NL losses were a predator, a rhino, and a squad of seekers (also a couple of vet breachers (4), a rapier carrier, and a lone solar aux trooper).Those new solar aux fateweaver cohort are exactly as broken as I expected them to be. Selective planet bowling ball
>>98896460whoops, not sure why thats a reply. And to preempt: yes, the state of the table was a bit dire. The mat wasnt quite 6x4 and the terrain is unpainted 3d print stuff. But I was trying a new place out and the terrain asides the location was pretty good, coze atmosphere, nice staff, bar, in a convenient part of town. Hightlights of the game included a rhino surviving a double storm cannon telemon, a predator surviving two rounds of shooting from a calladius before my raptors beat it to death, and a predator surviving a round of shooting from some gyrfalcons while killing one on return fire with its heavy bolters (it then died in melee sadly).
>>98896431And the Legion Basilisk doesn't?
>>98895994No, completely different guns.
>>98895001lmao
>>98896437https://bsky.app/profile/inquisitors.bsky.socialwikis are inherently community projects, like open source software.So Inquisitor here is in charge, doesn't allow anyone else to make any creative decisions. Sure, Lexicanum is self hosted, which means he has to deal with all the backend bullshit himselves and pages very frequently don't load well, often dropping the style sheets alltogether and giving the raw DOM. Also splicing in too many ads, on top of collecting patreon money while contributors naturally receive nothing.Eventually the community gets fed up with it and forks the wiki to a different place
>>98896508the manticore doesnt is what i mean
>>98896591I'm a little confused why it'd be ok to field a Manticore as a Basilisk but not as a Whirlwind. At least both Manticore and Whirlwind are missile tanks, so the logic between the two is more sound than using big missiles as an artillery gun.
>>98896584+https://warhammer40k.wiki.gg/wiki/Meta:Why_we_are_moving_from_Lexicanum
>>98896584is the lexicanum owner really a transexual?
>>98896648"tyranny", not "tranny"
>>98896607artillery gun and the legion basilisk kinda uses the chimera chassis as a framehence why I'm bringing up the legion basilisk and not say, the SA one (as thats a russ chassis)
>>98896673oh my mistake lol
>>98895670I choose to belive it because it reinforces my worldview.
Do I paint my saturnine dreadnought next or my Solar Aux allied detachment?
>>98895001I'd be pretty pissed if my entire site was scraped by AI Jeets imo
For the saturnine dreads shoulder pads, should I just do plain black, try and paint a ribcage pattern on them, or do some sort of red "screaming faces" thing?
>>98897880What legion?
>>98897914As you can tell by the dark blue. Space wolves.
>>98897932One of my other space wolf dreads.
>>98897940>double Plasma dreadThat looks fun
>>98897940What head is that, my fellow Night Lo....I mean, Space Wolf? Almost wolf time, isnt it? Heh...ha....
>>98897880Black lightning bolts.
>>98898851Iron Hands contemptor head
>>98897201Do you have any proof it's jeets?
>>98897880>>98897932Paint some runes or add some runes transfers, to ward off malificarum. Also where are the wolf tails?
>>98899027It really is to the point where I just need to buy one each of every single contemptor dread available just for my bits box. Recasts for less that $20 each def make it possible....
>>98897940the legion approves of this build
>>98899123Oh yea, I shamelessly ripped you off.
>>98898106It is, it really is.
>>98898858You think I should keep the white? Its mostly just placeholder from when I bought the dread (it was primed for RG I think).
Forgive me for this blogpost but I found the story amusing enough to share. My opponent yesterday is in a discord server with me (a local hobby group for organizing games and stuff), and I posted some of my atramentar flay-clade in there as I was doing them. His friend saw them and warned him "they have the lion shoulder pads, this guy knows what hes doing watch out".
how should I paint a legion praevians robots?as AL? X colour with AL blue as a secondary? other?
>>98899782Bog standard mech red, but use chipping medium revealing AL iconography below.
