You may have noticed, if you have two eyes and a brain, that the sentiment for GW has shifted to largely negative in recent years. Constant price hikes on products that have not largely increased in production costs and were being sold at quadruple digit percent profit margins. Rattlecans filled with more propellant than paint and glue bottles cutting in size but increasing in price and a massive shift to turning their products into simplified, competitive games.This had the diehard heavy user enthusiast upset for a few years now but in the last year even their light user who would splurge on fomo big box releases but little else every other year have soured. To the degree for the first time since covid the stocks for GW are being shorted and losing value rather than growing.Internally this has been expected for a while and in the last quarter there has been a massive internal shift around products. Necromunda rpg for example was shut down not because of some Cursed City style printing issues but because leadership asked why print another Necromunda product line when they already have on they can put that time and resources into.The recent Space Marine cull was symptom of this internal shift. Seen as a painful but necessary step to rework away from the "T-Sports strategy" that has alienated existing customers and not brought in the competitive tabletop game in the numbers it was intended to.After Christmas and starting largely in 2027 we are going to see a massive shift in GW to try and rebrand Warhammer as a whole back to a hobby and livestyle product over competitive toy lines. Wether this will move the needle is anybodies guess as players are leaving in not insignificant numbers for newer games like Starcraft or Gundam Assemble.
>>98867906All they need is to stop treating their store owners like feudal subjects.The core advantage Geedubs has is having brick and mortar locations and they're pissing that away for no reason at a time where people are starving for places to be at.
>>98867906and where have you conjured this knowledge from?Necromunda specifically would be interesting to read because thats next level retarded. with the licensing issue rumor at least making some sense
Where in the Lead Belt are you getting this conjecture from?I was chatting with [redacted] the other day and we had a different story on the Necromunda thing.
>>98867934People from the Warhammer RPG company confirmed its not a licensing deal and they were "excited to play it".
Someone who knows numbers, is this bad bad?Like I know GAW shares were worth pennies in 2016 so anyone who had them then is now rich, but might shareholders who bought in when they started rising in COVID now be getting jittery that the rise has gone?
>>98867906Gw has been having an internal mishap for years now, and the only thing keeping them afloat are the paypigs, but even they are being priced out now. There is a delusional belief that they can keep inflating prices and stupidifying the rules with an endless cycle of updates to keep the squealing hordes buying. Reality is, u fear, starting to prove otherwise.
>>98867906>Necromunda rpg for example was shut down not because of some Cursed City style printing issues but because leadership asked why print another Necromunda product line when they already have on they can put that time and resources into.Why did the suits allow it to be announced then the only reason 99.99% of poeple are aware of it is due to that announcement>>98867951Here pic for reference
>>98867906>the recent space marine cullYou don't think this has more to do with them largely being ~15 year old kits with their replacements being around for almost a decade?
>>98867906>that the sentiment for GW has shifted to largely negative in recent yearsHas it? GW has not gotten any of my money since at least 2007. But to me it seems like people are far less hostile towards it and more accepting of its policies than they were even a decade ago.Of course some people still complain about prices. But you also see a lot more people justifying everything GW does than you used to see before.This is just my impression based on nothing more what I read (and don't read) online on forums.
>>98867970The covid boom is over and its returning to normal, which for public trading is catastrophic.
>>98868014on social media its pretty rancid. even their paypig shills that used to defend every choice are posting pictures of glue bottles next to the ones from like two months ago that were cheaper and twice the size and going "GW what the fuck is this bullshit?". Its not been on thing but a prolonged "we are too big to fail now" death by a thousand cuts like in the tail end of the 2000's with the old CEO that got pushed out all over again.
>>98868008If the replacement kits were actual marines then yes, it would be a simple kit cycle. The 'replacements' are completely different fanfic tier stuff. Meanwhile the Mk7 (and 6/8) marines, the models that carried gw, and all their ancillary units, are gone.
Nothing said to me GW was in trouble like them announcing a Legion of the Damned return. Thats a real red flag glass breaking moment that tells you they are worried about something.
>>98868054not related, but sometimes I truly wish for a complete collapse of the world economy.Something that would send us back to the the 1600's, economically.We're destroying our planet for the sake of an economy and a lifestyle that demands nothing but constant consumption
>>98867996GW has been running on fumes since about 2005.All the guys that knew how to make models and games left, meanwhile the few old guard that stay clearly needed the other guys to wrangle their idiotic takes
>>98868060>n-no that doesn't countRegardless of your personal feelings, gw has been bringing out nothing but these 'fanfic marines' for like 8 years now.
>>98867951>>98867996legit what the fuckso some exec didnt bother looking at all the money going into development, and just pulled the plug literally after everything was done? what is this retarded shit? tax fraud?
>>98868230The latest editions of Age of Sigmar and Warhammer 40,000 have both been commercial flops, customer sentiment is at an all time low, there are more affordable competitors than ever and stock is losing value. They are scrambling.
>>98868255i hate the move is to double down on space marines. instead of making making cool boxes at reasonable prices. necro rpg felt like it had a lot of great sentiment online. but i guess it doesnt sell 30 boxes of gangers so its not worth it
>>98868276It can be mostly explain by GW seeing the numbers during covid and basing their entire investor strategy in a fluke.As a result they expect ever growing profits with a model that was a self evident an anomaly.Instead of focusing in a more reasonable steady income of old players and easier access to new players they are repeating the same mistake that killed Warhammer fantasy, but now at a company level.
>>98868207Back to /pol/ with you.
>>98868322>>98867906I'm surprised they are not doing the rpg as a specialist thing to reinforce that hobby niche and portray themselves as the whole, "we still respect the old ways." Cancelling a product that literally was finished seems retarded beyond all measure. It generated a lot of buzz everywhere and good will.
>>98867921>All they need is to stop treating their store owners like feudal subjects.That's as likely as Russia democratizing itself without outside enforcement.
>>98868381But how does it sell Space Marine models??
>>98867906>rebrand Warhammer as a whole back to a hobby and livestyle product over competitive toy lines>step 1 is cancelling the ttrpg release that would be maximally hobby/lifestyle oriented and the furthest thing from competitive
I did see a HUGE red flag with this new nostalgia pandering 40k edition, then with the new-old space marines, the Legion of the Damned.I like the direction but it comes 10 years too late. Shitmaris should've never happened and the damage is done forever.Its interesting because currently GW probably makes the best model ranges that everyone likes, btw, but there's no hype anymore .. like 0 hype.My buddies all play dead games like Mordheim, older editions... anything GW puts out you just know it'll appear in .stl form or for cheap in the second hand market.I dont think they will die but I just struggle to see how can they keep growing.Their media empire is dogshit, Warhammer + is a massive rancid flop. Their toys are shit McDonald's quality, and so is the merchandise
>>98868532Friend you are thinking of the utopian ideal. This is modern GW. It was going to be a vector for fomo model sculpts, poor balancing and support and end up shutting down in a few years with a niche fanbase running a "fixed version" pdf instead.I know it, you know it. Every nigga in this thread knows it.
>>98868616If you went back 3 years and told me the healthiest GW game would be fucking Old World i would have called you a dirty liar.
>>98868793ntaI think they're just pointing out OP says some shit that directly contradicts itself in obvious ways that highlight how retarded OP is even though their dad works at nintendo. GW does dumb shit, but OP's assessment is also dumb shit.
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>>98868833Nope still banned lancerfag.
>>98868255>more affordable competitors than everI always dragged my feet getting into Warhammer because I didn't want to spend insane money for what may be temporary units since my LGS doesn't run legends. I eventually found a nearby hobby store that runs Battletech and was in shock that I could buy an entire lance for $30 and run it straight out the box.
>>98868532Tbqh an RPG is the last thing that necromunda as a product needed. Not that it wouldn't be cool, but people playing it would buy even less models than someone just playing necromunda.If they wanted to sell more necromunda models, the thing to do would have been to not release the new edition they just released that ground everything to a screeching halt by deleting the gang rules for all gangs but 2.
>>98867906How does their new paint line tie into all this?
They made big bucks on the licensing for Space Marine 2. The 40k Total War is also going to sell in big numbers, regardless of if its good or not
>>98867970>is this bad?it all depends on when you boughtt. About 190k in the market right now
>>98869865Contrast was a massive hit so why not see if lightning will strike twice
>>98869865I can't say anything about the quality, but the way it's being marketed and labeled is clearly geared towards people new to painting. Either that, or geared toward people who need shades labeled 1-5 because they're too stupid to pick a range of individual colors out of a table, but I'm trying to be nice.
>>98867944spill
People are exhausted by the constant edition churn. They rush development, it takes half the edition to fix the flaws and then they start all over again. Not mention having your Codex that might only be relevant for months. The transition from 3rd to 4th edition was especially devastating for AoS, all because of - three year cycle lol. Also GW models are now very hit or miss. It's no longer a guarantee your models getting "refreshed" is a good thing - which again probably comes down to churn.
>>98870722>Not mention having your Codex that might only be relevant for months.This is what killed it for me. I spent something like $300 more or less on the FEC armybox with the new book included and it was useless in less than 6 months. Then a completely new armybox came out with a new book! Fuck that shit.
>>98867906I don't understand the preoccupation many gamers have with industry shop talk. You need to broaden your inerests outside of tabletop if you're debating GW's fiscal position in your off time.If GW sinks or swims, who really cares? All the shit about lore, squatting, price rises and edition churn was happening in 1999. The GW model is to get you into wargaming and sell you a starter set, a paint set, a codex. Maybe you come back for some paints or a character. But it has always been about churning new starters. I don't think they really can do that with current prices so they will leverage the IP more. All these people who sunk everything into Gw and never moved onto another game, era, scale, setting... GW has only ever fed you just enough to keep you coming backSo many cheap options in 15mm and 10mm metalSo many more people realising you buy your rules and minis from different places and none of this bullshit ever touches you again
>>98869904>190kNo one is stupid enough
>>98870722Just be thankful we aren't entering another early 2000's where great sculpts are being replaced for the sake of replacement and the new ones are worse than the old
>>98868385let me guess you have real democracy and freedom?
>>98867921>people are starving for places to be at.No they're not. Check the local park. The local pub. The local social club. The bowling alley. We're a society of paranoid shutins who hate each other.
>>98871280Nta but>Check the local park.A park isn't a good spot. But I can see pubs and social clubs working. Not sure about bowling alleys.>social of paranoid shutins who hate each other.That hit me hard. I need to break free.
>>98867906Good. That's what you get when blackrock gets involved.
>>98868221Hey bud, if the mere passage of time is enough for your weak ass mind to begin enjoying slop, have fun. Some of us have actual taste.
>>98867906>>98868255>>98868322>>98868616This is all delusional idiotic fanboy wishful thinking.Like it or not, GW is earning more money than ever. Their profits are like 15x than they were a decade ago.And no, the recent stocks dip doesn't mean anything. That was just a group of investors trying to short their stock. But GW leadership doesn't seem to be interested in playing those kind of games, so it went nowhere.Hate nuGW, their products, and the people that buy them. But their economic success is undeniable. They're a public company and all the numbers are in their corporate website for all to see.They just have a lot more customers since 2017 that like what they do, and older fans are a rounding error despite all the nostagia pandering.t.stated with Space Crusade as a kid
>>98868322You know what, if The Great Businessman, Most Holy Foreseer of Profits, PBUH Rowntree Lord of Nottingham turns out to just have been Kirby 2.0 with the covid boom subbing in for the LotR bubble, you'll be able to hear my belly laugh across the entire country.
>>98868322>>98871587Covid helped GW... in 2021. Since 2017 their revenue and profits had already experienced a boom. It's just false, like the importance of licensing or that they're trying to be bough by Hasbro or whatever. Terminally online fanboy speculation that doesn't fit the facts.
>>98871594>gluk gluk gluk
>>98871280Our pubs are all packed
>>98871280Sounds like an suburban american problem. People in the EU are crazy for all kinds of social activity, even antisocial nerds>>98871596If you weren't drunk you could see reality as it is and not like you wish it was.
>>98871584This isn't adjusted for inflation, though.
>>98871619inflation didn't rise 15x since 2017
>>98867906Necromunda box is 1/3 filled, big giant EMPTY BOX, filled mostly with paper. and need moAr books, and moAr books, aka paper....Horus Heresy box does not contain army lists to actually play, need moAr rule books, aka paperGW is a rules company, not a miniatures companysad really
>>98868221>you must like new thingHow about no and instead you go get some taste.
>>9887162636.5 percent.
>>98871612And if you weren't rimming James Workshop so hard he thinks you're french kissing him, you'd grasp that there's a difference between recognising the company's flaws and potential pitfalls they face, and the vapid Hurr Durr GW Gonna Die Next Month retardation.
>>98872401there's nothing genuine in this thread about "recognising the company's flaws", there's no real arguments or discussion about GW real issues,.you butthurt dipshit. Only nonsense and samefagging by the OP, which is probably you shitposting the same made up bullshit that never happened.Stay mad and retarded.
>>98870722I have several friends who collected LotR minis when we were kids and they're interested in Warhammer but the constant edition churn has turned it into something I just couldn't encourage them to get into in good conscience.The squatwave at the start of 4th edition AoS where they got rid of all the Stormcast that had been been in the 2nd ed starter set and had also made up half of that subscription magazine that ran over 2nd edition really bothered me a lot more than thought it would have. It had been less than three years since those models were being pushed as the recommended way to get into AoS and all I found myself thinking: 'If I'd encouraged my friends to get into Warhammer and one of them lost a bunch of models to this, how would I explain it to them?' and I just couldn't come up with a good answer, I felt really stupid and pathetic for having this dumb hobby. It was the last straw for me since while the End Times and Primaris were extremely shitty they were also done out of desperation while GW was in a bad financial situation. This was just GW nakedly declaring that they'd mistakenly let a bunch of casuals buy into a game too cheaply a year after they'd made record profits.
>>98871581>>98872104Very poor reading comprehension
>>98869007>>98871206What is it with retards that do this?>Oh, anon, theres TONS of competitors that you can go to for cheaper! See, theres US army games and napoleon games and ww2 nazis vs us army guys games and so on and so forth!What dont you people get? I got into warhammer because I LOVED THE SETTING, ARMIES, CHARACTERS AND THE FUCKING LORE. NO, playing battlemech/tech/fucking speck is NOT the same fucking thing. Trench crusade is NOT a decent fucking replacement. You people are fucking BOOMER TIER with that shit, this is what you sound like:>OH, anon, you like super mario brothers? Well here, heres the legend of zelda, its a video game like the other one, so you should like this too, right?Or, for the normies out there:>OH, you love football? Well, heres hockey, I bet youll love it all the same, its just a sport after all, no different, right?I never got into warhammer for the fucking game side of things, or the rules. I loved the lore, LOVED building/CONVERTING and painting. Now, the only thing anyone even cares about is building generic out of the box slop, barely doing ANY customization (in fact, its very heavily discouraged nowadays, ive noticed, so glad ive stayed out of the greater "community") and playing the game ONLY to fucking WIN. I want my split torso marines back, damn it. 5 generic poses and all. Buying ten boxes of those, plus 5-10 boxes of random shit from fantasy/necromunda/even other companies shit and making something unique was my everything.....Fuck GW, those fucking KIKES, but at the same time, fuck the "fans" who allowed shit to get this bad.
>>98868796It's because we don't have WAACfag esports losers, and never will because you need a special kind of autism to build paint and play with 20-30 model squares of units.
>>98871261Is this a joke? Every model nuGW does lacks sovl compared to stuff from the 2000s.
>>98873987Now now let's not go overboard
>>98873998The "biggest" Old World tournaments are capped at 40 players and only ever sell half those tickets because the sub-community filters out everyone else by adding on layers of fanmade "comp" rulesets that change the game entirely and make it unplayable unless you're committed to learning them. The Old World design team doesn't listen to shit the competitive segment says, unlike in 40k, because the WAACfags just make their own rules. It's great.
They lost me when the cancelled fantasy battle. Never felt the need to purchase another product,
>>98874008Same, but Old World is genuinely good and fun. I shit on GW all day still, and would prefer to play older WFB or 40k editions, but at least Old World existing gives those "I only play SUPPORTED games" people an excuse to play.
>>98867921>The core advantage Geedubs has is having brick and mortar locationsCongrats on waking up from your coma anon. Retail space is extortionate and brick and mortar stores have been dying for 20 years. They've had to downsize store space for that very reason.
>You may have noticed, if you have two eyes and a brain, that the sentiment for GW has shifted to largely negative in recent years.People always bitch about GW. The kids love it; it gives them a common enemy to bond over, soothes their butthurt about not being able to afford all the Shit They Want™ right this instant, and plays up their desire to be there when something big happens (the longing that underpins FOMO).>Constant price hikes on products that have not largely increased in production costs Case in point, I've seen people bitch about this since the nineties.>as players are leaving in not insignificant numbers for newer games like Starcraft or Gundam Assemble.Remember the days of Warmahcine Mk.1?
>>98871263Yeah
>>98867921Their own stores are only a fraction of their income nowadays. Their recent financial report had their retail income stagnating, while trade (i.e. sales to third party stores) was absolutely booming.
>>98868014This.From our perspective they broke into the US and general casual market in a big way by moving the games towards a much more competitive "pick up" style. They've went far more PG and accessible with a bigger fanbase to back it up.There's several groups now consistently buying their trash and they will continue to do so.>>98868059It's all hot air though, these retards will still buy GW products because there's no alternative and they are separate to the wider hobby market. There's always companies cloning the GW strategy and they all fail because GW had a massive leg up in talent and a solid foundation in the hobby.
>>98869007Dude, even Battletech isn't that cheap in comparison to other options. You can buy two armies for 30 for some games.
>>98868255>affordableyes>competitorsnot really, they don't compete in the same space
They already made it clear Horus will return, so expect that in the future to save sales. Or crash them with no survivors.
>>98867906Maybe I'm a schizo but the pre-painted terrain feels like a precursor to just selling pre-assembled and painted models.
>>98874086>From our perspective they broke into the US andGW has been bigger in the US than the UK since the 2000s lmao.
>>98874995Nice reading comprehension>UKwat
All I do is paint Tau and wait for the game to become fun
>>98875337At least please source your minis on the second hand market and buy your tools from competitors like Vallejo/Army Painter/AK Interactiv/P3 Paints etc. Don't reward James for doing the minimum.
>>98875337Nice army, especially all the auxiliaries. Why so few battlesuits? Not happy with the current ones based on the 2001 release?
>>98874906Marines? Probably. Everyone else? Aw hell naw
>>98868008NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER!
>>98874906It for sure is.
>>98874006Have you ever checked recent tournaments? There were two with around 100+ players last month.
>>98875847LVO, the most prestigious yearly tournament, was only 38/64 players and I don't care about what happens in the UK because they're bad at games and have a shitty wargaming community.
>>98875860We had the Spain Tournament and will have Prague GT/Poland GT soon.
>>98867906Nah, everyone hated GW back in 5th. I left in 6th came back in 10th everything seems the same, just a different set of rules.This whole thread just reeks of cope.
>>98873993Nah.Like the new Warboss kit is easily the best warboss kit GW has ever released.And the 5th edition DE stuff is all bettet than the 3rd edition stuff.
>>98873918If you got into warhammer because of muhh epic horus heresy lore you are a literal child and probably watch superhero movies too.
>>98874906The pre-painted terrain is for events; it's not meant for the normal hobbyist.All those images of events with L-shaped unpainted FDM terrain gave 40k a bad name
>>98873993There were plenty of shitty models in old editions and plenty of great ones in recent years.Maybe people would take you more seriously if you weren't a hysterical retard making obviously wrong generalizations. Focus in actual bad minis and ranges (like say, Blood Angels)
>>98875998nta, but anon is right and you're a retardNobody likes 40k because of the game itself. It has always been the least interesting and most badly done part of 40k. There's plenty of better games. Battletech, for example, was already a better "game" than 40k in the 90s, and I played it with cardboard tokens.I started with Space Crusade in the early 90s because I loved the art, characters, and lore. The game itself, just like 2nd, was serviceable at best. Just an excuse to show off the minis in a table. And nothing has changed since then.
>>98876107let me guess>chubby>glasses>"DEUS VULT"that you homie? Nobody said you get into warhammer exclusively because of the game, it's a combination of the setting, cool models, and making new friends playing the game.The only thing that guy was right about is the modern models look fucking soulless with a few exceptions (e.g. new Defiler).
>>98876139Wrong. I'm a nerd but I'm fit, and I don't care about your retarded culture wars. Or midwit speak like "sovl" because you don't have the words to properly express or even understand the differences between old and new minis or why you prefer the older ones.
>>98867977>There is a delusional belief that they can keep inflating prices and stupidifying the rules with an endless cycle of updates to keep the squealing hordes buying.I would have believed that too if I'd been doing it for 40 years with no issues.
>>98876107While everything you're saying is true, none of it is mutually exclusive with what the anon you responded to said. And he is right as well.
>>98876030>400 burger bucks for one table of terrainWasn't the big cope from tournaments that they didn't have enough money? I don't see how this is going to change it
>>98876139"Soul" and "Soulless" mean absolutely nothing. You seem to lock the ability to actually articulate what you think. Maybe you should write a few drafts of your post before you make them.
>>98875963Nah the black reach warboss moggs him.
>>98876224You're definitely a midwit if you can't get that SOVL means hand sculpted and slightly goofy as opposed to CAD designed and overdetailled.
>>98876107I disagree. The setting is fake edgy retarded garbage. I was sold on it up until I started actually reading the books and seeing more media from it, my disappointment as well as disillusionment was intense enough I never bothered finishing my army. 5th was the first and last edition I played after seeing it for what it really is, a puree of heavily watered down sci-fi cliches, condensed into a spam can of slop more palatable for capeshit fan millennials who think blood and guts means 'mature.' Warhammer 40ks only real merit is inspiration for much more talented writers and artists like the guy that did your picrel ironically.
>>98871584Gross profit is a misleading statistic. It doesn't tell us where the money is coming from or how it's being spent. It doesn't tell us which of the divisions and franchises GW owns are in the green and which are in the red. It just tells us that in spite of mass complaints about 10th and 11th edition, and the continued failure of Age of Sigmar and The Old World to generate a profit, GW is still earning enough to sustain its current business model, whatever the fuck it is. How do we know it's not profits from the video games they licensed 40k out to? How do we know it's not thanks to massive investments from firms that GW is very clearly working hard to appeal to?
>>98876460There is literally no descriptive value in the war to imply that much. Fuck off Luddite.
>>98876522This, especially the last point. We've seen endless examples of investment firms sponsoring the demise of woke companies.
>>98876522Gw is a publically traded company. You can see the breakdown of different streams profit in their half yearly investors reports. You can see that for example, licensing accounts for about 5% of their income. That's how we know, retard.
>>98876522You're a fucking retard. As >>98876578 says, we know GW revenue and profits, because they're legally mandated to disclose it.Only the details about sales by game and and range are not disclosed. But AoS and TOW wouldn't be supported if they weren't selling. GW doesn't do anything at a loss, except maybe LOTR.Even their Black Library novels and WH+ streaming service, which are basicaly ads for the minis are self supported and not part of any marketing budget. Which seems to be non existant, because you never see GW-related ads anywhere unless they're paid by their licensees.
>>98876547>Got mad when corrected.Jej. 'kay then, keep thinking SOVL is a mysterious word with no meaning then. :^)
>>98876522>>98876560>gross profit>how do we know it's not from investment firms?Holy selfreport
>>98876893Its a UK company, what you'd need to be looking at is their tax record not their earnings. Investment firms like blackrock in the US are to obfuscate where the money is actually coming from, they don't need to do that in the UK. They give zero fucks about maintaining appearances and will just give them infinite tax exemptions or credits if thats a thing forever as long as they tow the line.
>>98877232>schizo /pol/ bs >doesn't understand what an "investor" is>or that corporate public records do have to include the source of revenue streams, like fucking saleswhy do you pretend to speak about something you clearly you have no idea about how it works? Every one of your statements is more retarded than the one before.Shut the fuck up and let the adults talk, child
>>98876458The push fit kit with zero options does not mog anything.
>>98877479Accusing someone of not understanding anything while you intentionally pretend to not understand what was said just makes you look like an escaped mental patient with internet.
>>98874906>>98875777Yeah I could 100% see pre-painted push fit Marines happening.
>>98877479No you don't understand dude, they like, file all their investments under operating profit in the investor's reports dude. It's the UK dude they don't like check those things dude.
>>98867906Is we getting 40k Classic/The Scouring
>>98874906Yeah I think it's going to happen too, it'll be a way for them to get extra money out of tourneyfags who don't want to paint but also want the 10 VP for having a battle ready army. As long as the price increase for the pre-painted models is less than the cost of getting them commission painted it should be an easy win for GW.
>>98876521Anon its meant to be a backdrop for YOUR dudes. BL write utter dogshit and youre meant to ignore retarded shit you dont like. This is mainly only an issue with newfags from 8th onwards who HAVE to take the game and IP as it is.
>>98868616Tbf as a 2nd/4th ed player I get hype for models I can use in those games which is basically range refreshes. Primaris unique shit fucks me over besides making good conversion pieces but range refreshes like for orks and nids are basically releases for me and I can ignore gay shit I dont like. I can just run the norn queen emissary as a big/my main hive tyrant etc.
Remember it being 8, a hobby vaguely; had all the toy WW2 soldiers hand-me-downs from across the neighbourhood - peak WWF wrestle mania. Didn’t get the Bret the Hitman Geart sunglasses - too poor. Got a Space marine character and used it with the troops because the wasp character who’s back button opened his chest and wings was the GOAT. Didn’t think it would mainstream. Big investment opportunity again squandered.
>>98875860Every american 40kuck is the king of England's bitch, you will obey your master's every whim and say thank you like a good dog
>>98878854Utter cope. British subjects (not citizens) are jesters for the King's entertainment. A sad, sodden people whose miserable plight amuses their monarch. Over in America they're free.t. Spaniard
>>98877683That's definitely on the agenda. They're going to want to pick up the gunpla crowd, that cadre of consumers who like building but not painting. And the competitive players who view painting as a chore. And lazy people, kids, people who lack confidence in their skill, people who don't have free time, blah blah blah. The only reason they haven't done it already is that they know it'll rile people up something fierce, and the technology wasn't there yet. This new terrain is reaching the point where they might start considering the option seriously.
>>98879315I don't like building or painting anymore because I'm not a kid. So I buy painted armies second hand. They have to be a certain quality, which is always at least my own ability. But I don't think I'd ever buy pre-painted minis for the same reason I don't like nuGW sculpts. Art should be done by someone's hands, not produced with a machine.
>>98878967I think you mean>t. gaping cockhole for France and North Africa who lost their Empire to native savages and had to be saved multiple times by the "jesters" of Britain
>>98879756Says he while his team lost to Argentina
>>98878967Uno otro beer-o por favor juan pablo
>>98873918Why do people suggest you explore a thing instead of being stuck in an expensive derivative of it? It's a mystery
>>98876521>5thUnderstandableYou have perfectly described the last 15-20 years of Games Workshop.
>>98871255None of it is in GW. Intel and nvidia made me good gainz but i sold and moved profits into smaller companies and more managed funds. AI bubble will pop but the cycle will start anew. ARRY for post midterms. FCX for solid US domestic copper play
>>98878967Lmao and what are we. Soros subjects? Oh wait that's right you can (((vote))) to be a Netanyahu subject instead.
>>988808595th was the decline for me. I started 3rd and fell in love with grimdark and all the great artists.6th was already a "wtf is this " edition and it was all free falling from then on.
>>98878589Sure thing gramps, there there
>>98879709Buying painted armies is like getting a ran through gf wife, you are a cuckold.
>>98876353They aren't lying entirely. Making terrain is usually inexpensive, but it requires time, effort and labor to make, and they probably don't have any of that to spare, particularly for a dozen or more tables. That means they have to pay, but a lot of these event hosts are dubiously managed small businesses or clubs with fuck all cash on hand.Its just a situation where in order to get a good result it requires the organizer to give a fuck and put more ass or more money into it and its rare for those factors to align.
>>98874906>>98877683>>98879315>pre-paintedThat's bad!>made from colored plasticThat's good!
>>98881554Nah. People who commission armies or buy well painted used ones are the hobby’s true chads. Refusing to play with grey plastic like a loser, but also refusing to buy into GW’s marketed lifestyle of all-consuming materialist slop. They just play the wargame with a painted army whilst skipping the dogshit.
>>98868207>>>/r/sigmarxism
Have the GW haters always been this retarded? Most braindead takes I've seen on finance. A simple look at their earnings report would show they have an impeccable balance sheet with very high margins and fantastic capital efficiency. All this with no debt. GW has never been in a better financial position. They aren't dying, AoS does well, and no one offers proof for products flopping. There's several big games coming with Amazon shows in the pipeline. You faggots are huffing your own farts because your little wagey job can't handle the hobby. Leave the painting to people with real careers. You fucking idiots deserve to be wagecucks.
>>98871619The pound isn't a third world shitcoin anon.202M GBP in 2024 is the equivalent of 151M GBP in 2014, using BoE's inflation calculator. Which makes the growth 12x in ten years, as opposed to 16x on unadjusted numbers.
>>98874077>>98874041One of the other issues with full blown Warhammer retail stores are the people who usually go there. The competitive community itself has crashed the game in a ton of places. Having talked to a few former managers or employees, the main reason most stores don't let people play full size games there is that it always causes drama or huge shit storms at some point. It was seen as such a liability because of fights, broken models, people who start so much shit over how competitive the game has gotten etc., that it was seen as better to do that. Avoiding drama and making games short also leads into the secondary reason of how awful most players have gotten in terms of behavior and hygiene. The idea is to either avoid the full competitive guys who start shit with everyone or to at least minimize starting players' contact time with the worst type of fags. My local store allows full games and unlimited time, so drama is a constant factor between some of the most obnoxious faggots who start shit with people because of some slight or people who think they are "the cool Warhammer players" who treat the game like high school and try to make exclude the one awkward guy at the store.
I just bought additional GW stock for 750€. Obviously GW is just a small portion of my portfolio, but DoW4 release next month will boost their numbers.
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>>98885529Dawn of War, a historically sound series
>>98877191>he doesn't know that investments are included in gross profitlol retard
>>98876578>You can see the breakdown of different streams profit in their half yearly investors reportsThen post them. I'll wait.>>98876893>we know GW revenue and profits, because they're legally mandated to disclose it. Only the details about sales by game and and range are not disclosed.You mean the exact details I pointed out we have no access to? It's almost as if you're a braindead nigger who can't read.
>>98887460NTOA But i can't believe you're doubling down after they explained to you why you're a retard.GWs half year and yearly reports are public, since they're listed on the LSE. Total licensing revenue and licensing profit is on page 2 of the yearly, I'm not going to spoonfeed the rest until you apologize to your betters.https://investor.games-workshop.com/annual-reports-and-half-year-results
>>98887707>apologizeFor being right? Where's the by-department sales numbers I talked about? Oh there aren't any, and you're a lying faggot.
>>98887460>>98887822You were wrong about everthing you said, like "How do we know it's not profits from the video games they licensed 40k out to?" in >>98876522Shut the fuck up, retard. Stop being a embarrassment, you waste of oxygen. KYS
>>98887873>You were wrong about everthing you saidExcept the most important parts of what I wrote, which you can't read because you're a nigger apparently. You latched onto one specific part of my post and ignored the rest. That's called cherrypicking - like what niggers do. :) In short, you don't actually have a counter argument. GW has got to hire better shills. The pavement apes they send here are not very good at their jobs.
>>98887460Page 14 and onwards. Enjoy!https://investor.games-workshop.com/annual-reports-and-half-year-results
>Mfw i have dropped GW leaks on /tg/ for years and every single time /biz/ told me i was wrong.>Can confirm this is all true.But stay mad like when i told you there was a Legion of the Damned Kill Team you penny stock broke boys lmao
>>98888021Where are the sales figures, schlomo? I asked for sales figures, revenue by department, you know, the ACTUAL important data and not the gross revenue statistics.
>>98888027>claim a bunch of bullshit about how akshually gw is making all its profit due to investment firms (lmao) or vidya licensing (lol)>get exposed as a retard >>uhhh that wasn't the important stuff in my post!KWABAnyway, who the fuck cares what the exact breakdown of game systems is? Point is, gw is making a fuckton of money, and it's making more money year on year. You're trying to weasel your way back into this argument when it was a nonsenical nonsequitor to begin with. Bitchmade.
>>98882411Paying others to do every other part of the hobby, leaving you free to rush right into playing 11th edition?Grim.
>>98882411>They just play the wargame with a painted army whilst skipping the dogshit.You do not belong in this hobby.
>>98876522>How do we know it's not profits from the video games they licensed 40k out to?According to their 2025-2026 reports, of the £667m they made, they only brought in about £33m from licensing (which is down from last year btw.)But I hear you, anon. you're going to say "BUT THAT'S JUST REVENUE WHAT ABOUT PROFIT"Oh don't worry. Of their operating profit of £275m, only £30m of that is from licensing. The remaining £245m is coming from "Core business" which is the combination of sales of miniatures and accessories from across their stores, independent retailers (their largest contributors) and online.Anything beyond that is basically quibbling over details. The numbers point towards that people are buying more, and that the hobby is growing. If you want to split hairs of "is citadel's rattle can division in the black or in the red", who fucking cares - things like these fit into a large strategy and that strategy is clearly working since revenues are up since last year.As for the "massive investment firms", you don't really get how this works. Those companies invest by buying stock. They are having the asset they now own (GW stock) grow in value while also paying out a dividend per share, with each share receiving a dividend of 485p this year.The only way we could get the numbers we do from "massive investment firms" was if those firms were sending people to buy GW models directly.
>>98873987There are some but they mostly stay in their rain and fog cursed swamp in the atlantic.
>>98881243>subject of a king>let me tell you about freedomMay your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.
>>98871280All the game shops near me are completely fucking packed on weekends where you're lucky to get a table. Only time they're actually quiet is going during a weekday in the middle of a day. Even then they still usually get packed out after like 6pm once their events begin.
>>98882411Personally I prefer to paint my armies myself and then pay someone to play games for me.
>>98871261In the early 2000's you could still buy old models from mail order.
>>98889124fuck off with your logic, data and proof. it doesn't fit my narrative.
>>98876107>it's all about teh lore!!!!everytime i read shit like this online it's from someone who isn't actually a part of the hobby. always some stupid faggot who is allergic to the concept of building and painting models terrain etc. etc.just fuck off
>>98882626>A simple look at their earnings reportCan you show us this?
>>98867906>Necromunda rpg for example was shut down not because of some Cursed City style printing issues but because leadership asked why print another Necromunda product line when they already have on they can put that time and resources into.and they didn't think of that at any point during its development before the reveal?
James is completely retarded and lucked their way into being a billion dollar company.
>>98890801Scroll up a bit lazybones
>>98890928Apparently, the higher-ups didn't even know about it until the reveal, which sounds so stupid it might be true
>>98888042I didn't claim any bullshit, I asked for sales figures and you failed to provide them.>>98889124Look, he's samefagging again while still ignoring my actual questions. Lol. How much profit is Age of Sigmar making? I'll wait.
>>98889593That would be pretty funny.
>>98887822You asked for>divisions>franchises>licensingand whatever you meant by>massive investment from firmsThe report has breakdown into trade, retail, online sales and licensing, all broken down by region. They do not publish individual brand sales which you also didn't ask for, and is quite uncommon to disclose as it's not legally required. As for "massive investment", you'll find proceeds from issue of shares in the cash flow statement, it's 4.5 million.
>>98868385Just vote harder, champ
>>98890791>everytime i read shit like this online it's from someone who isn't actually a part of the hobbyThat's because you're a poser, an out of touch terminally online retard parroting what you think the cool kids are saying to fit in. And a fake grog too.>>98876521>buzzwordsSee above.
>>98888005>>98888027>>98891715Still here you shameless egimp? You've posted nothing but retarded baseless claims, moronic nonsense questions, utter lies, deflection, projection, and you've been schooled every time by other anons.But you know you lost. Every time you read about GW earning money and not being doomed like your retarded clickbait youtubers say, you'll be reminded about how embarrassing you were here. A pathetic failure trying to save face like a subhuman.
I hate the new look that they've been pushing and am pissed at the lack of steel legion.
>>98889197I've noticed this recently about The Old World. It's really big in the UK, but in the rest of the world it's this fun casual little scene. Which is bad for secondary market prices but great for actually playing because you only get dudes who want to have fun and know that bringing a turbofaggot list will make any potential play buddies fuck off.
>>98891715Already forgetting your own post? >>98876522>current business model, whatever the fuck it is. How do we know it's not profits from the video games they licensed 40k out to? How do we know it's not thanks to massive investments from firmsYou should really get that checked out
>>98867906>that the sentiment for GW has shifted to largely negative in recent yearsTell me how you are new to the hobby with out telling me you are new. Brother, bitching about GW is as old as mosses fucking everyone does it. Its not new, you just notice it more because we are connected more then ever via the internet in ways that have been developed over the last decade.
>>98867906This was something i was warning people about back in 9th ed. GW got deep into bed with the tourmanet scene and relied heavily on the burn and chrun method of balance that MTG does. IE, put out a new set (Army) and its turbo fucking strong, so everyone buys it, then, the next army they put out, specifically counters the previous army, so every one buys it. This method works in MTG because its a hell of a lot fucking easier to print cardboard then it is to make a model. Its also a lot fucking cheaper then buying an entire fucking army, and then dedicating all the time to build paint and play. It takes maybe a few hours to build a deck, and then you are good to go, it takes weeks to build, paint and get an army ready, not to mention GW constantly fucking around and "rebalancing shit" but i digress. GW has been doing burn and churn and the problem is, everyone is tired of it, its hard to get people to want to buy new armies' like that. So, they burned through their customer base, and now they realized oh fuck, we are at a dead end, creating a new army/faction is not really a viable option unless we do an ass pull, and we cant write rules for shit.
>>98892480You forgot balancing based on tournament data that doesn't account for per capita because thats illegal math in the UK.
>>98892480Strangely aos has the opposite problem the last few years where new stuff is often shit. Not always of course, but happens enough to be noticeable. Gitmob and helsmith being two prime examples.
>>98867906They can try new business strategies but I've been boycotting GW since Femstodes. No more purchasers until they're written out and discontinued.
>>98892532I feel like AoS suffers from the problem of "No one really gives a shit." Every one i see playing AoS is very like, laissez-faire about the game, most notably the lore of it. Which thats another entire topic the fact that GWs lore has been dogged on HARD over the last decade. I do think that GW has run out of steam so to say.
>>98877935The second scouring novel has now been announced.So I assume Horus Heresy will focus onto the era a bit.
>>98892161Whatever fag. I fielded tactical squads with dedicated transports and I enjoyed splitting them into fireteams, one with a flamer to cover the other with a plasma template weapon. You will never know that joy with your space marine abusers and joggers or whatever the fuck they're called now. You are truly lost, just like the franchise you chose to fill the void where a personality should be.
>>98867906what do you guys think of the slayer sword winner? I am pretty sick of the NMM mindset and seeing the same painting grogs gloating about an over rated miniature because it got an award and has pretty bad NMM. whats more, adepticon's ss miniature also sucked ass. What the fuck, why are EM painters not judging anymore? at least when they used to judge the miniatures where cool, now we have some semi pretentious smart felling guest posser doing it.
>>98893523>Miniature comp winnersUnfortunately NMM is the in thing right now, and the way you win those is to paint to the judges tastes and wants. Also scoring for miniature painting comps is very weird, its a demerit system, where they mark you down, rather then up.
>>98874008And yet here you are damn near a decade later Beaten ass spouse bitch
>>98878967Based Spain bro.You didn't hear it from me, but if your royal family jerks off Trump a little, there is a good chance he just gives you Gibraltar back. Good luck
>>98893671this is why I liked it more when the judges where EM people, they would pick the stuff that they liked and was true to the hobby. Now its just a artsy fartsy circle jerk.
>>98877935>>98892670I have no idea why anyone would want this. It's just going to be written as an extended prequel/justification/retcon solidification for nu40K. Cawly Sue will be a main protagonist no doubt, the story will still be all about fucking Primarchs and setting up foreshadowing for their Glorious Return in nu40K, lots of little stories showing how the Stronk Female Characters who were right about everything got torn down and overthrown by Stinky Pale Stale Males and that's why the Imperium went into decline ACKtually not because of the Emperor's death etc etc etc.
>>98894154>I have no idea why anyone would want thisSales numbers for HH books (and miniatures) probably justify to have another long-ish book series. >Cawly Sue will be a main protagonist no doubtSadly yes. And i'm sure the books will suck, but from GWs business PoV it probably makes sense.
>>98867906They have some of the most retarded corporate planning i have ever seen.The company is just too corporate.Only retards want to live the corporate consumer lifestyle.
>>98894262>They have some of the most retarded corporate planning i have ever seen.You have not seen many companies then?
>>98891660That's often how corporate work. A ceo will not tell people what to do, he just expects projects delivered and a retarded department head will just churn out shit to tick that box. The executives were probably told that department was releasing a new product and the expected sales figures were just bullshit based on how the already in service game sold.Did the game do anything special? No. Do it fill a gap in the market? No. Does anyone want it? No. Was there any reason to make it at all? No..... but muh projects delivered...
>>98894623>That's often how corporate work. A ceo will not tell people what to doWhy should he? A CEO of a corporate can't micromanage everything, and obviously has to rely on the indvidiual divisions to function.
>>98894793GW's products are focused enough that you could easily get a quick rundown of everything the core business is doing (i.e. the stuff directly produced by GW, not third parties) that you could easily get a quick rundown in a couple of hours a week.
>>98892564I will say, as gay as AoS is, it has virtually zero secondaries because the setting is shallow. Most people are there because they paint and/or play.This “Last World” nonsense is the next in the line of GW desperately throwing shit against a wall to get people to give a shit about the actual setting like they do with 40k or Fantasy. I can’t imagine it will be much different than the last four times they’ve tried some big narrative shift, and nothing will actually change/matter. The people flipping their gourds over it need to realize this.
>>98894920To this day i still say what they should ahve done with the end times was, when the glotkin was about to kill Karl, he should have ascended into the celestante prime, the commit exploded and the shards that rained down turned into the sigmarines, and chaos was pushed back to Kislev and everything north of it was taken by Chaos.Ash Kash Nagash should have been stopped or prevented from expanding from some way, and the entire setting should have remained in the old world. GWs biggest blunder was nukeing a 30 year old setting then expecting people to jump onboard their new shitty totally not norse rip of setting.
>>98867906>After Christmas and starting largely in 2027 we are going to see a massive shift in GW to try and rebrand Warhammer as a whole back to a hobby and livestyle product over competitive toy lines.Doubtful. 40k has been an elitist hobby since 5th edition.
>>98894920>I will say, as gay as AoS is, it has virtually zero secondaries because the setting is shallow. Most people are there because they paint and/or play.It also hasn't had a hit video game. All the good fantasy titles have been set in whfb. I think it would only take one actually great game to start the secondary ball rolling there.
the morons at GW managed to send their playerbase to battletech who is dealing with a political internal shitshow, and they stayed there because warcrimes, good games with mods and memes.
>>98896027In this universe people would be complaining just as much and coming up with hypothetical scenarios where GW just makes AoS a sequel instead.Truth is there was no way to "save" fantasy in 2015 that doesn't end in either age of sigmar, or turning fantasy into something that strongly resembles sigmar.
>>98868212yeah but now they are all gone. Not sure if Andy hoare is still around. And Adam Troke is now on marketing.
>>98896543There is not a single game with hit potential in development in AoS, right?All the upcoming Warhammer games with potential are 40k, at least those I can think off.
>>98899327Not that I know of. It's mostly 40k like you say, and some whf. It probably doesn't encourage game developers that past AoS games (the few there's been) have performed poorly.AoS is probably going to keep being the mainline game with the least secondaries. (if you count specialist games I would assume something like Blood Bowl has the lowest secondary ratio)
>>98899327Deathmaster looks like it might be pretty good, but not big hit-tier and amusingly because it's set entirely within a Skaven city there's nothing actually originally from AoS in it.
>>98896543Never gonna happen, because developers don't wanna bother.
>>98899586Yeah, it looks neat. But it's not on the same level of a Space Marine, Dawn of War or Total War game in terms of content.They tried with that one AoS RTS, but I can't even remember the name of the game. But I remember that I was disappointed because it did not have the factions I like in it, and only stormcasts and kruleboyz
>>98899327Word around the grapvine is that fatshark as abandoned the bitsquid engine and is moving over to unreal to release a AoS tide game. I hope it bombs, dogshit setting.
>>98892519kek>>98894202or, gw, just pick a random corner of the galaxy and start a brand new story. make a new badab war, some mass conflict in a system with tons of armies all fighting, thats all i want brother
>>98894623>does anyone want it? i feel like thats a yes. tons of people at my local wanted it. combined, its a great entry for people leaving d&d (whos numbers are dropping right now) to come to 40k, with a concept thats familiar but also at little more wargamey
>>98899873fatshart just cant help themselves making each project worse. oh sorry, its time for a 4 week vacation, you will have one new map this year. please buy $30 cosmetic
>>98900039>and start a brand new story. make a new badab war, some mass conflict in a system with tons of armies all fighting, thats all i want brotherIsn't that what the scouring essentially is? Its the time in between HH - Xenos should be around there, at least Orks and Eldar.Potentially, this could become a very cool series of books and miniatures (since its pre-primaris), but knowing modern GW, it most likely wont.
>>98900039>pick a cornerThe problem is they’ve done that already recently with places like the pariah nexus. The problem is they’re not bothering to tell an interesting story, current 40k “lore” lacks the pseudo-historical crunch that it used to have. Combined with every narrative ending with the named characters shaking their fists because no character is allowed to die, the “narratives” they craft are just bland set pieces.TOW is at least doing something interesting imo, using the aforementioned pseudo-historical storytelling, making new narratives that are at least kinda cool.
>>98867906None of this will matter unless people stop buying it.
>>98900039>start a brand new story. make a new badab war, some mass conflict in a system with tons of armies all fighting, thats all i want brotherGW has been doing that in every edition since 6th, but nobody cares because they weren't featured in 1d4chan or became internet memes. You don't know it because you're a dirty casual.
>>98900910NTA but GW's campaign writing since then has never really managed to match up to the quality of the books FW was putting out at its peak, they're always too simplistic, too character-focused, or some combination of both. Everyone jerks off over the likes of the Badab War or Vraks because they're deep dives into the pool of autism that is writing 40k as if it were a historical record of a "real" conflict and they do it incredibly well, whereas GW's campaign materials often feel like a lore blurb from a codex that's been fed growth hormones and stretched out into an entire book or three.
>>98900693send me the seraphon spearhead and other seraphon stuff. I will paint them good. plzplz??
>>98897068I'd just reset the canon to the real life year 1997, and start publishing cheap scenario books to supplement current model releases, fullof stories about goofy wizards with puns for names being mutually racist against the local wood elves, until the next splatbook when some third party turns up.I have this idea that it'd be good to "monkeybar" across the setting, have one incoming focus faction and one outgoing, so factions get long overlapping periods of work, where they can also have their relations to other factions fleshed out.
>>98900386Shame TOW is also using the new narratives to rewrite the pseudo-history so that Age of Three Emperors-period humanity is living in a zogprog socially progressive paradise with bow-wielding ladyknights and Stronk Female Leaders for everything and shit, instead of the fucked up slog of civil war and suspicion it's supposed to be.
>>98903744forgot to mention how cathay were the real heroes the whole time
>>98900693let me get them Jump Pack Intercessors, boy
Oh, please, paypigs are gonna paypig, and there's more retards trying to get into 40k than ever before. It's going from "the normie wargame by wargaming standards" to "actual normie shit." GW is going for the slow and steady growth path, not the "endless and exponential growth" the lizardmen investors expect. All of this has been achieved via total IP dominance, go on any social media platform and it's nonstop 40k slop content, 40k retards freaking out over the newest goyslop, talking about "muh primarchs," "muh speshul marine chapter," "muh citadel paints" constantly. People dumping entire pots of overpriced Tone Pro onto their models to show 40k subhumans that self leveling paint exists (something other miniature paint companies have had for years). They'll be fine, and I'll continue to not buy any of their products except for Blood Bowl and perhaps a couple of their paints. Maybe a display model. Expecting GW to fail is like expecting, I don't know, WotC to fail, or for a vidya example, Call of Duty or Sportsball games to fail. It's normiecore. Retarded normies are going to prop this shit up forever regardless of what GW does. Buckle up.
>>98905073Normies just can't help but buttchug radioactive sludge as fast as possible because they were sent by powers beyond our comprehension to snuff out sentience. Thats the real grimdark.
>>98900693Which country are you from?I can help out.
>>98903744A pretty circumstantial issue really. Thats mainly in the shitty bretonnia book that is universally hated by the community.Most of the TOW expansion of the AoTE has been decent imo, with not much of that being the case at all.
>>98900386Tows narrative sucks fucking balls, there is genuinely nothing interesting about it. Even before Cathay’s messy inclusion.
>>98905669>TOW expansion of the AoTE has been decentYou mean it’s been non fucking existent, which yeah, it’s probably for the best, considering how fucking boring the cahtayan and now niggaharian plot lines are.
>>98905073>I'll continue to not buy any of their products except for Blood BowlWhy would you even buy BB when there are so many STL teams with superior models and cool/funny themes?
>>98867906In mere 6 months, I went from being an avid 40k consoomer to develop a level of 40k fatigue (cringe even) that's not even normal.
