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First to praise Blake!
What kind of a light/medium mech would fit into a merc company as salvage? Roughly thinking around clan invasion time frame to shortly after. Don't want anything too crazy/unrealistic, but it would still be a lucky situation for the company. What would be a realistic set of 3 mechs to run with it? Just want to paint up a believable lance for display. Thinking Rifleman / Wolverine / ThunderboltPic related?
>>98860874>Wolf's Dragoons editionAs a side note putting a pilot with cautious + patient edge abilities into this thing is downright mean.
>>98860971If they fought the falcons then the shit fox is a very likely find.Which invasion theater did the mercs fight in? That's a good place to start.
>>98861052I guess you missed it.>>98834934I came around to your argument after thinking about it for a bit.
>>98860971Wasps and Stingers are the most available mechs. Any mercs can get their hands on one.
>>988609712 Locusts or a Phoenix Hawk
Since the Wasp and Stinger are so similar, it should be possible to Phoenix Hawkify the Wasp chassis.
>>98862095Call it the Hawk Wasp.
i played my first game of battletech alpha strike two days ago after shilling it to a friend and it was so much fun. could someone please help me understand a few of the rules? am i correct in my assumption that shooting out of woods does not give the attacker a +1 mod if the woods are only within 2" of him? does this 2" rule impact how the 6" of wood to block LOS are calculated, or is 6" always 6"?does partial cover always go two ways for attacker and target or is it possible to shoot out of cover while not being affected by it yourself? how do vantage points work? is it possible to jump on a high building to use the angle of the roof to receive partial cover while shooting down freely?
>>98862095>leg missilesThe big Wasp is the Crusader.
>>98862439>>98862121>>98862095Would a 45 tonner Wasp/Hawk Wasp run:>LL, SRM-6or>LL, ML, SRM-4or>LL, 2 SLs, SRM-4or>PPC, SRM-2This is assuming 8 tons of armor but everything else remains the same besides an increased tonnage and the changes that come from it
HONOR THE DRAGON!
In the ilClan era do the Clans still have their ceremonial uniforms?Or did that disappear with Stackpole?
>>98860971Shadow Hawk if you really hate the person that has to pilot it. Generally any of the more ubiquitous designs.
>>98862486>LL, ML, SRM-4Something like this would be my choice, with both lasers in the right arm and the SRM-4 in the left hip.
This may be cringe, but what "dad rock" and adjacent songs would work on a hypothetical BattleTech movie soundtrack?
>>98863255If there's ever one, they'd better use All Along the Watchtower somewhere, but Elvis has been mentioned in canon.But the most natural answer here would be Southeast Asian 'Nam era rock music.
>pipisi
>>98863445>peepussy
>>98861194Noted. William will start taking some long shots.
Weird character concept for the Holiday:Clan mechwarrior who, in his free time, is an avid occultist. Goes out of his way to collect and study all things esoteric. Even paints a seal of Solomon on his Thor because of course he pilots a damn summoner as a “just in case” precaution, usually under the guise of being a “personal emblem”. Then following Tukayyid, upon learning that ComStar is functionally a cult within the inner sphere, makes it his latest campaign to learn all their secrets, and in the process become a general nuisance for ComStar. And no, I would never suggest that the character’s interest ever be “validated”.2 questions:1: how terrible is the concept? I mean beyond the general: “Battletech takes itself way too seriously to entertain such a goofy concept” 2: which Clan would he most likely come from? Or at least would be the least surprising?
>>988641931. Terrible2. Nova Cat
>>98864193Also look up The One Star faith.
>>98863255>>98863421Jungle Work is the quintessential mercenary theme song.
>>98864337Also the Believers of St Cameron, at least some of whom believe that their prophesied apocalypse is still coming and the clans are definitely involved somehow (average day to day "cultural" Believers think that it was the Amaris coup into succession wars and now they're past it). The cloisterers are busy making seed vaults on uninhabited moons and preparing their doomsday brian castles, but the templars are actively ready to fight the end of civilization, with a vibrosword if necessary.
>>98864384Reminder that Tom Lehrer made the definite Taurian/Bolan Theme song.
>>98862818>In the ilClan era do the Clans still have their ceremonial uniforms?i'm pretty sure that stuff was jettisoned a long time ago
>>98862818>>98865249They wear all that shit all through the Dark Age into the ilClan. Malvina Hazen screaming at the Jade Falcon Loremaster with both in ceremonial garb during the Falcon Civil War in A Rending of Falcons is peak clantardation.Then, there was Kisho Nova Cat traveling in Heretic's Faith in his full leather getup, and beating the shit out of a spacer for daring to charge him passage like a filthy merc.Now, just like CGL tries to downplay the Blackout now, and the downsides of clan culture, they're trying to downplay the furry craziness. It's still there. Oh, and clanners using IS names for chassis way more than clan names.
>>98865292>clanners using IS names for chassis way more than clan namesStravag!
>>98865307It's Deculture!
>>98865307The true clans died in the wars of reaving.Only misshapen halfbreed abominations remain.
>>98865313>It's Deculture!DECULTURE!
>>98865331Good.The IS will absorb those fuckers over time until the only thing clan-like about them is them yelling themed slurs at each other online.
>>98863018>>98862486We really need a 55 tonner penis hawk.A light engine or cxlfe 6/9/6 with maximum armour and one heavy energy weapon, and supporting anti tank, anti toad srm/laser sets. Because the PH deserves to be in the 55t sweet spot.
>>98865331>The true clans died in the wars of reaving.please don't remind me of the absolute retardation of the wars of reaving
>>98860971Kit Fox and Adder are the single most common light Mechs in Clan Green Birb and Clan Woof, respectively.Fire Moths for Clan Spoopy Bear and Mist Lynxes for Clan Puff Kitty.
>>98865933*Autistic screeching*
>>98865933Have you tried not taking the lore so seriously?
>>98866010>have you just tried being completely apathetic towards the things you like
What are the chances of a Darkcaste willingly working with Sphereoids to get revenge against the Clans?
>>98866038They're effectively clanner pirates so I don't see why they would turn down an opportunity.
>>98866017If you can’t laugh at your own fandom’s absurdity, it’s time to log off and touch grass. You don’t want to end up like Chris Chan do you? this learned from having Star Wars and Star Trek among my beloved settings, you gotta learn to just laugh when the clown shoes come out, and just disregard lore you find disagreeable
>>98866052"Not taking it seriously" is just another way of saying "stop caring".I don't interact with things that I don't care about, I have more important things to spend my time on than things I don't care about.
>>98866052You should consider how many of us have washed our hands of Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr. Who, Lord of the Rings and more before you comment on the last fucking thing we care to follow. You really sound like some Johnny-come-lately, and not someone who has loved the franchise for over 30 years and keeps it as the last franchise to follow among the old titans.
>>98866052While I agree with personally discarding writing you don't care for, chris chan wasn't wrong for taking his favorite things too serious. That's maybe the least of his flaws.
>>98866052Chris Chan raped his mom and your issue with him is that his opinions on Sonic's arms are too strong?
>>98860874Why is she so overdressed? She should be topless with a thong and boots, and maybe the gloves. Decision at Thunder Rifts is very clear that Mechwarriors fight in as little as possible if they don't have star league vintage cooling suits or clantech cooling fishnet body stockings.Is CGL just telling artists to completely ignore canon now?
>>98866117If youve been around bt for 30 years then it's time to get out and let the newer fans enjoy things
>>98866391>We don't want the old reliable fans that keep things afloat. We want new different fans from a completely different demographic!Ah yes, the classic way to kill a franchise.Also,>Stop liking things you've liked your whole life. You should have no say despite how much blood and sweat and treasure you've poured in. Give unwarrented credence to unreliable newfags!Shame. Shame. This bait is basically fossilized.
>>98865933>please don't remind me of the absolute retardation of the wars of reavingIt hurt my heart, anon. Haven't been the same since.
>>98866038The same chance as terrorists / traitors / defectors working with the secret servicesSo very high but it will undoubtedly be a one sided relationship, with the houses dictating unfavorable terms for the dark caste as they have no other options than piracy left.
>>98866391>let the newer fans enjoy thingsThis is marketing speak for "stop telling the young ones about the history of the slop we're peddling"Laugh at this despicable creature trying to lead the youth astray.Nothing an old fan can says will be damaging if there is nothing to hide.
I know this is probably asked like every thread, but how do we feel about Iron Wind Metals?I really fuck with this funky Griffin but at the price tag I just have to ask
>>98866383That's obviously not official art.
>>98866689The metals look nice enough, but at that price?I'll stick to RPE.Sure, they don't have a lot of the redesigns, but they'll sell me a metal Urbie for like six quid, and that's about right.
>>98866383>if they don't have star league vintage cooling suits or clantech cooling fishnet body stockings.If you look at her chest she's quite clearly wearing a cooling suit and being a Gooner she obviously has access to basic bitch SLDF gear since that stuff is second rate by clan standards.
>>98866689IWM is great. Some of the old sculpts are a little weird (like the Nightstar), but most are great. The detail is great, the fact that you can get any variant is great....But they're expensive.
>>98865735>Because the PH deserves to be in the 55t sweet spotJust get a IIC and go full 80t
>>98866689If you live in Europe buy from RPEThe prices are like 40% of what the IWM prices areI just wish RPE had all new models23 dollars for a singular heavy gauss sturmfeur is just silly
>>98866688It's always been slop boomer-kun
>>98866010The IP isn't directly owned by Disney/Time Warner yet, so one proud Davionman kindly knocking on a door can still exert his corrective influence on the universe.
>>98866689They used to be cheaper. A lot cheaper. And then they were bought by CGL. CGL said they were only going to raise prices by 15%, but they never said how many times they would raise it by 15%.
>>98866915Everyone used to dunk on the Fedsuns, but now we can only rely on them to make real change possible
>>98866701>Goons>aren't goonersFuck this gay Terra, we can't have SHIT in the inner sphere
>>98866391No, you faggots don't know how to enjoy things the right way>t. zoomer lmao
>>98867171>we can't have SHIT in the inner sphereThe innersphere is Russia after day 97887 of the two week special military operation to reclaim Terra.
So, turns out you can take all the lasers out of a Royal Locust and turn it into the most annoying thing ever.
>>98868125I want myI want myI want my PPC
>>98866383Anon was jerking it a little typing this out
Finally finished up the game of 8 billion tanks our group had going; the highlight of the game was probably the Cyclops dying in the most dramatic fashion. He tried to stop-drop-and-roll to dislodge the battle armor that were swarming him, when he flung himself into the ground, squished one of the Salamanders in the process, and set off his remaining ammo and exploded the entire mech. The resulting blast ALSO killed the rest of the Salamanders, but he died without getting to shoot that turn since he didn’t live to see the weapon attack phase. The Devastator almost had a similarly dramatic finish, he got knocked down and took a nap next to the Kingfisher (only half a mech but still plenty dangerous at this point) and got his torso cracked open via aimed shots; then about 16 LBX pellets hit him square in the chest. I think he took like 9 CT crits in that turn, but the roll for the Stackpole explosion came up short so he died quietly instead of loudly.
>>98865331If the clans didn't want to die then why did they attack MY HOME PLANET?
>>98868680But it was only the clans that didn't attack MY HOME PLANET that died.
>>98862534That hunchie has sick art.
>>98865933>let's write ourselves into a hole where half our factions can't ever be even vaguely relevant ever again
I play Alpha Strike at a local store and decided to printed some Elementals to ride on my omnimechs and I'm genuinely shocked at how good they can be. I had my Adders print through cover near the objective and spent all game jumping and harassing the enemy tanks. I'm an Inner Sphere boy at heart though, what are some good variants of Battle Armor I could pick up?
At least the clanners get to come back when they get destroyed. If you you liked Comstar/WoB CGL tells you in no uncertain terms to go fuck yourself they are not coming back. The even revived them to kill them again.
>>98869029It's almost like CCG thinking in a way. "There's too many factions, let's cull some for the next set" was a very common thing for all the games that were trying to dethrone MtG before they all crashed and burned.
>>98869033I've never played them, only fought against them, but the inner sphere standard guys are the same annoying armor peeling hoppers that are JUST armored enough to not get one-tapped
>>98869033I only play CBT but I've had a lot of good use from the magnetic variant of the Longinus. They've got a machine gun, a heavy machine gun, and an AP mount gun, which means they absolutely shred regular infantry and still have enough volume of fire to do real (if scattered) damage to armored enemies.And they have mag clamps so they don't even need to find an omnimech to hitch a ride.
>>98869302I play CBT as well, but mostly Lance v Lance or a mini-campaign with a group of players where we each play 1 or 2 mechs. They seem pretty nice for urban maps but 0 medium or long damage I'll definitely have to play them as ambush or anti-vehicle/infantry. Just enough damage to pop most elementals in one attack.
>>98869159It's not even like they have game balance to worry about. Writing multiple factions out of interstellar conflict in your setting designed to sell models for a space war game is like they just decided to saw off one of their own limbs. Absolutely demented decision.
>>98869159I don't mind factions losing out if it makes for a great story, but killing so many so quickly just felt ham-fisted. Plus, what about the factions that are supposed to still be alive in the Homeworlds? Fuck them too, I guess.
>>98869549There's not even diverent model lines like dwarf or elves or humans, only thing they have to do is produce some art and splat every now and then to keep a faction alive on the setting.
>>98869137WoB was too chudcoded
>>98869137Religious factions aren't allowed sweetie, that's problematic.
>>98866010calm down, anon
Anyone know where I might be able to find this Arrow IV demolisher file? Yeggi says its on cults but the link seems to be a dead end. Not sure who the creator ishttps://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/arrow-iv-demolisher
What is the CUTEST clan mech?
>>98869949He's just a little guy.
Can someone give me a quick rundown of these guys?
>>98869813The designer, @HeadspaceUM, apparently took it down from Cults3D. I am probing around if i can get the stl.
>>98869949Fire Moth's retarded arms were always endearing to me
>>98869949Jenner IIC
>>98870073Guy on the right is Thomas "The Master" Marik, who joined ComStar and was injured in an attack. His brother Duncan was Captain-General until he was killed, then Thomas returned from ComStar to become the new Captain-General.Except the "Thomas" who returned was a plant sent by ComStar to put someone sympathetic to their cause in charge of a nation state. No one really knows who that "Thomas" was, but he turned into a pretty solid leader of the Free Worlds League after several periods of civil war and turmoil.Flash forward to the dissolution of the Second Star League. The Word of Blake, who were set to become some sort of provisional member, were pissed that they were denied their glory. The real Thomas, who had become an absolute fanatic and joined the Word when they split from ComStar, turned the Word loose on the Inner Sphere in what became known as the Jihad. Chaos and hilarity ensue in equal measure.Meanwhile, the fake "Thomas" is revealed to be a fraud, and the FWL basically splits apart because of it. "Thomas" becomes known as Thomas Halas (taking his wife's maiden name) and takes refuge in the Duchy of Oriente. Still a respected leader, he helps fight the Word as best he can.Meanwhile our boy Victor Steiner-Davion, fresh on the heartbreak of his Kuritan love's murder, draws close to and eventually marries Thomas Halas' daughter Isis. This leads to the creation of the Davion-Marik family line.The actual, original Thomas is reportedly killed along with the bulk of the Word of Blake when the Prinicipality of Regulus decides to glass Circinus in nuclear fire in retribution for the Word's attacks.
>>98870266Nope, sorry, switch that. Guy on the LEFT is the Master. Guy on the RIGHT is "Thomas. My bad.
>>98866689The price of tin went up 2.5x during the recovery from the pandemic, dropped back down, and is back up there again. (Globally, which suggests it's more supply & demand than policy-driven.) Wages and rent have stayed up as well. Manufacturing in the US is expensive, and making miniatures out of metal doesn't work anymore. It's what's it's.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/167dt0ihunv7ull/Demolisher+Alt+23+(UMF).zip/fileHere you have Anon. The designer sadly died during the war in Ukraine.
>>98870266Thomas and Thomas were parent trapping the entire inner sphere. Early on they were swapping back and forth all the time, but real Thomas spent more and more time doing Comstar things until eventually he just stopped showing up entirely and False Thomas was left to his own devices. He wasn't even clued in on wob stuff, there were several Wobstar events that he assumed were part of a plan and avoided interfering in, but didn't actually know anything about. It was only when the Jihad broke out that he fully stopped trying to play ball with them.
>>98870334You would think the guy tasked with pretending to be a house lord so the real house lord can go get indoctrinated at will would be some sort of fanatical ROM super agent, but all indications point to his marching orders being very loose and his actual intention being to govern as if he was really Thomas.
>>98870332>The designer sadly died during the war in Ukraine.Good. Death to unlicensed IP thieves, CGL uber alles!
>>98870357It was something like 35 years before he stopped taking orders. He may well have been a fanatic at the start, but 3035 ROM was a very different beast than 3070 WoBROM, and of course he had spent most of his life living as a house lord.
Do most people accept custom mechs in games as long as they’re built right? Should I even bother?
>>98866689Almost the entire miniatures industry is trying to get out of metal production because costs are through the roof.
>>98871249As long as you run it by your opponent first and aren't a complete faggot about the build, you should be able to convince someone. Keep it to one custom unless you're doing a campaign though, and give your opponent the chance to run one in return.
>>98871249Depends on your group. The only people in my area who try to run customs are munchkins, so everyone else are pretty leery of customs.
>small armsIt's a crying fucking shame that big stompy robots (unjustly) get so much attention, because the personal weapons in Battletech are superb, in both quantity and quality, (except the Federated Long Rifle) and they get zero attention.
>>98871327>customsShould be completely discarded unless you are playing Solaris, because holy shit that's the whole purpose of competition.
>>98871329The level abstraction of CBT is high enough that individual models of small arms shouldn't matter. Even mech scale weapons don't get that level of abstraction. Thats the realm of Mechwarrior or battletroops, which are more niche.
>>98871338I'm talking about a "Shadowrun" level of scale, a fuckton of the original books happen at the individual level, and the thought of a uberpilot getting shot in the face with a needler over a mechbunny is delicious.
>>98871249The campaign I'm currently in allows one custom variant for your commander, subject to approval from the GM. Our general pickup games don't have any customs at all most of the time. The only times I've seen them come out otherwise was one time someone arranged a game specifically to be able to put some customs on the table and one time where we made frankenmechs and set up an arena fight.
>>98871249>as long as they’re built rightThe chances are that if you have built your customs "right" then you could probably just find an existing mech that does exactly what you want. The only way you can do it correctly is by intentionally gimping a mech or vehicle design in one way or another.The consequences of Youtuber tourists telling people that Battletech's main draw is the customizability of the robutts has been a disaster.
>>98871568>The consequences of the publication of Maximum Tech has been a disaster.FTFY
>>98871329Play the RPG then, that's what all that shit was made for
>>98871329The Zeus heavy rifle being absurdly powerful always tickles me
>>98871723>>98871329Battletechnology enjoyers have to eventually face the fact that laser weapons and rocket grenade launchers make for terrible self-defense weapons.
>>98871249just avoid boating pulse lasers and quirks like low profile. it breaks BV.
>>98871757Or I could make like the Taurians and arm my militia with rifles that hit harder than 20mm cannons of today.
>>98869949im a sucker for fighter jet like torsos
>>98871784obligatoryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G88ZTO1RXRs
whats /btg/'s opinion on CGL art designs vs PGI re-designs?
>>98871775You could, or you could use the Steiner assault rifle that fires 4mm explosive bullets.
>>98871846I pretty much universally prefer PGI over CGL save for PGI's design trend of getting rid of the joints that would allow heads to rotate.PGI usually provides a mech that looks like a machine, CGL usually creates something that still manages to look like a low res plastic toy in art.CGL also has a habit of occasionally making their mechs short and obese for some reason. Maybe it's something to do with their generally poor model quality.Whether it's heavily inspired by one of the original designs or a radical redesign, PGI tends to do it better.
>>98871846Pick your poison: CGL mechs come from the bevels and greebles dimension and can't have any small fine details because they're matched 1:1 to their plastic counterparts. PGI mechs have no necks and 80-90% of mechs have identical looking weapons because they've all caught box cancer. Additionally because no funny mechs are allowed, several unique designs are disgustingly warped to comply with a mechwarrior paper doll.Vulcan comes to mind.
>>98871941>PGI mechs haveThe PGI mechs belong to the Virtual World Invasion era of designs. They're completely shaped by the necessity to render them as game tokens in a computer system.
>>98871846PGI artwork vs their models are different things but generally a lot of their designs are too fat. Their in game Centurion model being a good example of one. CGL does feel like they're just trying to copy the PGI style but erasing a lot of mistakes.
>>98871941Their weapons look identical because they ARE identical. Every type of gun is a particular 3D asset that's pasted onto the mechs' hard points. Personally I like it. It fits with the lore of them all building off the standardized tech base of the old Star League and such. They old art was kind of all over the place.
>>98871784Isn't the Viper a better example?
>>98871784>>98872110Personally, I'm a bigger fan of the more humanoid designs like the Viper, though.
>>98869949 man>>98870265 fighter jet>>98871784 fighter jet>>98871846 man>>98872110 fighter jet>>98872112 man>>98869965 armadillo???
>>98871846I generally like PGI's stuff better, but it still kind of bugs me how they re-use a lot of design elements with no rhyme or reason. Tons of their mechs look related to each other despite not being from the same manufacturer or anything. Their Awesome looks like a fat Warhammer, the Battlemaster, Shad and Centurion all have the same hands, etc.
>>98872130Although I guess canonically the PGI Shadowhawks are SUPPOSED to have humanoid hands. The weird lizard ones are cheap replacements.
>wow! What a cool looking mech! What does it do?>Nothing a mech of same tonnage can't, since all mechs have the same internal space and can equip anything!>wow! That's fucking lame!
>>98872130Mmmm, hands
>>98872103Ah yes, the lore of all lasers being mounted in the same awkward rectangles regardless of size; or where mechs with symmetrical loadouts will have one weapon loaded into a neat bespoke housing and the other actually stapled to the side. Or where mechs with limbs with no hardpoints will have an awkward stump because they didn't bother to model weirdo variants a hand for when they won't have any weapon at all. Or where some mechs have purpose built and organized missile layouts while others will stack awkward piles into a single corner of a massive bay.I'll believe you if you say it doesn't bother you, but if you like it you're a weirdo and if you think it's lore accurate you're grasping for straws. Omnimechs are where this kind of logic might hold water, but outside of hideous laser-spam boxes Clan mechs seem less rather than more likely to have stupid box mounts.
>>98871941The PGI Vulcan is one of the best face-lift mechs in the history of the series, the Centurion, King Crab, Maurader, and Raven are absolutely gorgeous in MW5 compared to the CGL versions. It doesn't help that every CGL model that has a "machine gun" looks like it's packing a 50mm autocannon instead of a anti infantry lawnmower. A Vulcan is made for turning infantry into mush, but the CGL version looks like it can duel with fire support mechs.
>>98860874You know, playing with ai slop to come up with some wwe btech mech ideas may come up with some interesting results.
>>98865933Only the bears survives, and they learned that is better to be House Rashalague-Jorgensson than stay a failure as the remaining clans.Sucks that they will never fuck alaric for what he did to them.
>>98872605All the ones I've played with just end up making generic mechs and can never make a specific battletech mech.
>>98872646I am using the sarna's images as base since they are black and white.As long as you feed the image, the ai will know.
>>98872605This is actually fucking sick. I could absolutely see some merc/pirate rocking the Grim Thug and doing some crazy shit with it
>>98871846Depends on the mech for me. Like I can appreciate PGI Wolverine for keeping the chin turret and just looking good but not the Centurion for the lizard hand and looking lethargic compared to CGL Cent.
>>98872938Most CGL designs are bad compared to the games.I'll never accept the grand titan head redesign.
>>98871846A couple designs from PGI I like more, but generally I like the design language of CGL. There are some designs from PGI that are just phenomenal though, like the Marauder. I like both versions of the Marauder, and I like that the CGL version is more close to the original art and style, but man the PGI Marauder just looks so damn good. Probably one of my favorite mech designs ever, but again, that goes for about all of the Marauder designs
>>98872953Some of them yes (Wolverine for sticking to the classic Blockhead design, Annihilator for surprisingly being very lean compared to CGL's despite PIG making them fatties usually, etc.) but I prefer most CGL designs when they stick to the original designs. I can appreciate the brutalism of PIG though and will consneed that Beluga head Titan is off. But unfortunately we will never see what a vidya Grand Titan will look like.
>>98871784I'm a sucker for fighter jet
>>98872984Fwiw, the new Titan is based on the Japtech design.
>>98873322There is no Japtech Grand Titan. It's not one of the ones from the Solaris box. Probably some fan thing, like they took the new Flashman design that fucked up the old barrel body from a fan piece.
>>98872953Worst, so far, IMO are the CGL/Shimmy Wolverine and Kintaro.Wolverine loses its iconic head/face turret, though everything else is good.Kintaro ends up badly/oddly proportioned, especially its way oversized teddy-bear looking head.Fail.PGI Wolverine and Kintaro keep or improve on the original’s aura.Overall the CGL/Shimmy versions/updates are pretty solid…not always scaled the best, but not as utterly retard-scaled as way too many IWM offerings.
>>98870266I thought Isis was the daughter of the real Thomas Marik? Wasn't leukemia boy fake toms only real kid?
>>98872973I agree with EVERYTHING on it except the intakes, they're too big and give the Marauder a weird gangly-looking walk when it's in motionThe autocannon being in proper location is a plus though
>>98873491>>98872973It all makes much more sense when you realize it's not a classic Marauder at all but a Phoenix Marauder with a bit more style. Alex blended the Phoenix Mad and the Phoenix IIC Mad to make the MWO version.
>>98873491>proper locationCenterline is proper location in fluff since forever. Are you retarded? If you mean record sheets, then boy do I have a Thunderbolt to sell you.
>>98873495Yeah I can see what you mean now, especially in the cockpit area. Doesn't have those beefy ass shoulders though
>>98873518Now look at the Phoenix Mad IIC for the finer shoulders and the sleeker body and vents.
>>98873504Yeah I just meant the record sheet, it's always been on the left torso gameplay-wise right next to the hyper-lethal ton of ammo
>>98873528In the pre-engine sink days, that was quite well-padded. You have to remember, even the sheets are an abstraction of the real machine. There's a reason you have giant crit-shared arm/torso guns that are just a big arm mount on the actual mech.
>>98873489The current Captain-General is fake Thomas's granddaughter.
>>98873518Every time I see this ghastly shitbox I want to beat it with a stick
>>98873537We lovingly call it the Capellan Trash Heap for a reason. 250 years to make a Mad, and this is the absolute Cataphract-tier Frankenstein they finally are able to produce.God bless the Chancellor.
>>98873536He's right, though. Isis married VSD and lived in Stonerville while the spawn that took over in Oriente were from different children.
>>98873131Its so gay that the devs are so gay that we had a fun faction in the word of Blake that were interested in reviving the LAM idea and brought out 3 new designs, but the Wobbies got deleted and so did their factories for their LAMs and there is just no further development for them. It would be fun if the Jade Falcons or some kind of revanchist Comstar faction started up some LAM production and we got some cleaned up straight forward LAM rules. I'd love for a LAM VTOL mech or something, just more options for the concept. I'm ok with them not being optimal at anything, but I also think they can be fun to use, at least maybe make one that can only convert into airmech mode and be a little more optimal
>>98873537>>98873546What's not to love? 2244 BV to roast a mechwarrior is peak Capellan engineering.
>>98871249Ask the people you're playing with.>it's a pickup ga-...then no.
>>98873495And then the marauder ii exists, it it is a beefy juggernaut in mwo/mw5Also the shadow hawk design by pig is so iconic by now that it feels like the perfect evolution of the dougram.
Do you guys stick to one paintscheme for everything, or paint different lances or companies? Also, do you make sure that they are lore accurate for the force and period or you don't care about that stuff at all?
>>98873666A scheme for every unit, as lore accurate as possible unless a personal creation.
>>98873666Nice trips, I have too many minis so yes to all.
>>98873666I have a few of my own schemes and units painted as canon formations. They're mostly MUL based, but not always. The ones that aren't are almost all explainable as salvage, some of which I actually salvaged in various campaigns.
>>98873666I like to keep things lore accurate for both paint scheme and composition. I try to keep composition believable, but it'll always be tempered by my own personal preferences. Currently I have four different canon formations I'm painting to.
>>98873338It's in the Getting Started Guide. I can't find an image that isn't in webp right now but EH has the illustrations. It's the one next to the Great Turtle.
>>98873338>>98873741OK, found it.
>>98873666I've mostly painted one force for each House and for the main Clans out of the mechs most heavily associated with them plus some common ones to round it out, usually a company/binary. Sometimes I've painted more than one force, like I have Drac mechs painted in the red Sword of Light colorscheme and dark gray with red highlights (which also pull double-duty as Wolf's Dragoons, so I've got mechs like the Annihilator and Shogun, as well as some Clan mechs painted in the same colors).
>>98873756What's the round boy in the rear supposed to be, a DropShip LAM?
>>98873666I organize my units into "believable" lances and do a different scheme for every lance. Then I'll mix and match units from different lances for shits and giggles.
>>98873760A union dropship
>>98873582It's an unfortunate side effect of Mechwarrior Dark Age's leap forwards simultaneously creating and then destroying them, with the Wobbie's lore only being fleshed out later.There is at least some chance they are still around since Stone's last words are warning about them coming back and most of their Hidden Worlds are unconquered and chunks of their fleet including the big Newgrange being completely MIA with the Blackout not having been them so we don't know what their big move will be.
>>98873756Apparently they're just supposed to be examples of custom mechs as the pages before describe.
>>98873760Great Turtle
>>98870332Thank you anon! Sad that we’ve lost a great 3D designer to the war.
>>98873784What if the WoB went back to the clan homeworlds and did an invasion 2.0 by convincing the homeworld clans the inner sphere would destroy them if they didn’t go back to wage a war of annihilation?
>>98873885Aren’t the clan homeworlds still licking their wounds (probably literally knowing those furry bastards) after the wars?
>>98872442That's because it fucking can, that's the point of the AC2; so it can skirmish with Mechs and Vehicles outside the range of its relatively specialized close-in armament. No a single AC2 doesn't make it good at it, but that is the point.Like the PGI Hatchetman it's proportions and shapes are weirdly warped to stack a tiny head on top of it like a scoop on an icecream cone.Also go print yourself some machine gun heavy mechs and try to paint the little fuckers and then you can tell me whether the machine guns feel too big after.
>>98874023Depends on how long the Adders take to digest their treachery dessert.
>>98874023Wars of Reaving ended 75 years ago, so probably not
>>98874023>Aren’t the clan homeworlds still licking their wounds (probably literally knowing those furry bastards) after the wars?And will we get Monster Girl Elementals finally?!
>>98874089If you neck yourself, yes
>>98874156Instructions unclear, became a Rokurokubi...
Hey is the new Total War book out yet?
>>98874089Snake people (or "sneople").
>>98874203Die for Darkseid, says the Shiro
>>98874089Weirdly, you are more likely to get those from Clan Wolf of all people rather than the Clan Homeworlds.They've managed to get at least a bit of a working relationship with the Belters after they took over Terra (admittedly after a bit of tension as they tried and failed to integrate them, so things aren't fully rosy yet) and those guys are confirmed to have not just held onto Star League genetic engineering, they took advantage of Comstar's peace over Terra to upgrade it significantly without raids that Canopus had to deal with. We've even seen biological catgirls in one of the books. Clan science is some of the best in the setting, but these guys might have them beat in this field or are at least able to match them and if innovations are combined from Wolf wanting to get some of their space naval support/expertise as a counterbalance to Sea Fox and Snow Raven...By contrast, the Homeworld Clans are going to be pretty heavily against it as a side effect of The Society's actions. Especially with the whole deal with Quadruped Protomechs and the "Feralization" drugs that render humans to be more animal-like in mindset. A monstergirl proposal in the wake of that being a part of the founding myth of the current two wings of the Clan Homeworlds is not conducive to getting Monstergirl Elementals.
>>98874234The physical version of the Core Rulebook that updates the Mechs has only come out a month ago. The rules updates for everything else haven't come yet, so you stick with existing Total Warfare/Other Books for those unless you want to use Battlefield Support stuff.If we do get another all-in-one book like Total Warfare, then we are probably at least 2 years out as we're going to get at least two other books, grouped along the lines of Aerospace Vehicles (Aerospace, Conventional Air, WiGE, VTOL, etc) and Conventional Ground (Infantry, Battle Armor, Tanks, Support Vehicles, etc).Might be even more if the priority after getting all of those out is Battle Value 3.0.
>>98873772a dropship can't be 100 tons you silly billy
>>98873756No elegance whatsoever, accursed designs
>>98875130I actually like Japtech's take on the Great Turtle a bit better than the original art desu. Japtech Grand Titan I'm a bit less keen on, but it does stay true to the Grand Titan in a way that still fits the Japtech aesthetic.
>>98874367>Battle Value 3.0Dear god please have them nerf clan pulse lasers into the ground and make IS ERLL cheaper.
>>98873467Forgot the Catapult.PGI’s Catapult is damn near perfect.CGL’s Catapult cockpit is poorly scaled/proportioned. The resulting appearance is like a Super Deformation toy vs an actual Battlemech.
Ended up a bit busier with work than I expected, but finally got around to building out a more formal look for the Realm Generator, even if its not yet fully completed just yet as I might want to be adding some more details.I probably could have gotten this out faster, but I had the very funny idea of creating a second Example from inverting literally every single roll we got for Namek in order to see what its opposite version would be. Might have slipped on a couple of them and the Relations was a bit eyeballed, but still got it built out if anyone wants to do anything with it.I plan on giving the Namek Supremacy a better structured presentation and thereby a template for all of this, that'll also include the various bits of lore people came up with over the threads thus far. As an incredibly funny aside, even before we ended up with the flag colors that led to the Namekian shitposting, someone shitposted about it being a Kami praising general due to the Shinto roll and another anon posted >>98844513 in response.Also, three rolls to make:Golgotha Dropship Production (1d6)>1-3: 1 Dropship Classes>4-5: 2 Dropship Classes>6: 3 Dropship ClassesCat's Bane Dropship Production (1d6)>1-3: 1 Dropship Classes>4-5: 2 Dropship Classes>6: 3 Dropship ClassesNew Bazaar Heavy/Assault Battlemech Factory (1d6)>1-2: 1 Heavy Class across all lines>3-4: 2 Heavy Classes split across all lines>5-6: 1 Assault Class across all lines
>>98873504Just like the Orion’s left arm SRM-4. One typo and hurrr durrr for the next 40 years. THEN we get CGL’s update of “The ON1-K’s SRM-4 has always been located in the LT. It’s the ON1-Ka that has the SRM-4 mounted in the left arm.”FUCK YOU.Could’ve just fixed it in errata decades ago. But no. Ignore the fluff and logical development of the ON1-V and ON1-VA that mirrors the left arm SRM-4 configuration on the right arm.Then even develop retarded fluff for the Orion IIcs disparate arms “cuz they used two different manufacturer ERLLS hurrr durrr.Fucking retards.
Rolled 1 (1d6)>>98875192>Golgotha Dropship Production (1d6)rolling the first one, PRAISE KAMI
Rolled 4 (1d6)>>98875192Throwing this in for our Mech production, come on two Heavies.
>>98875206
>>98871846I think the PGI mechs are too angular and multifaceted for me, like Michael Bay Transformers. The Centurion is an exception, it's pretty great.The CGL designs work for me. I also like the redesigns that were done for the Jihad. Was that CGL? I don't get why they didn't just redesign old mechs and had to make up a new variant, usually primitive, to introduce the new design. But I thought they were neat.
>>98875208Nice, so that's two Heavies. Top three choices thread discussed was Grasshopper, Warhammer, or Archer right?I'm partial to taking the Grasshopper and Warhammer personally.
>>98875172ive always liked the MW4 catapult design.the racks really were are "arms", as per the sheet, rather than just attached to the torso that makes them seem like theyre LT/RT racks. subjective preference of course.
>>98875212Don't worry. This doesn't mean that they lose out on something like 300k production. They have all 100k dedicated to one class of dropship instead of 50k to 2 classes of dropship, or roughly 33k to 3 classes.They could be producing a Behemoth per year, for instance. Or 71.4 Avengers (2816 spec) to give an example on the far opposite end of the spectrum.
Rolled 1 (1d6)>>98875192>Cat's Bane Dropship Production (1d6)
>>98875130>tastelessThat round turtle has soul in the way that OG battlemechs had, and lost today.
>>98875323
>>98875206>>98875249>Make the exact same roll to get the Dropship Production (6,5)>Weird, but there were only two ways to do it>Make the exact same roll to determine number of classes, even though it is widerWho's copying who's homework?Maybe we'll see some differences with the RAT rolls once I get those compiled (need to make sure all the ones on the list I form are D rating because there's a lot of E and F rating ones out there).>>98875236I plan to make a RAT where the suggestions are the more prominent ones, with variants taking up multiple slots to denote the primary production (those other variants of the chasis with the same engine will exist in the nation, but they would be weapons refits over primary production). But I'm also going to be throwing in a few wildcards as well.Also for both the Dropships and the Heavies, I'm might be throwing in a "Custom/Unique" option. D-tech would make this basically be a Succession Wars/Age of War design, so I don't think that would step on the toes of the current Mech Industrial Complex one >>98870039 since its Republic Era advanced tech Missile Boats. Though I think I'll wait until it's voting period has started to post the RATs to really avoid stepping on its toes.
>>98874023Based on how quickly the clans originally created an incredibly large industrial base a couple years after finding the kerensky cluster, it shouldn't take them more than a couple decades at most to completely rebuild the kerensky cluster's industry and logistics and build another clan invasion-scale force, assuming they didn't all die.
>>98860874>>BattleTech Introductory Guide & PDFs>https://battletech.com/qsr/your link got rugpulled by CGL, OP
>>98869949Cephalus>>98873666Generic camo so all units can be used for GMing
>>98875744Forgot the picture What a qt
>>98875192>>98875355Forgot to mention last time that the Strawpoll completed with Dreamer's Bay being unanimously voted on as being the Capital of the Namek Supremacy. I wonder if it experienced a major economic boom after the nation's founding. I was well setup for trade, now its the place's administrative center and where the "HPG" messages come through.Decided against making a slot for customs, that can be the purview of the standard engines. And custom variants of the dropship classes that get rolled.Dropship Production Class (1d20, 1 roll by one anon for Golgotha, 1 roll by a different anon for Cat's Bane)>1 - Avenger>2 - Union>3 - Lion>4 - Mule>5 - Manatee>6 - Condor>7 - Czar>8 - Behemoth>9 - Leopard>10 - Seeker>11 - Fortress>12 - Overlord>13 - Manatee>14 - Buccaneer>15 - Vengeance>16 - Aqueduct>17 - Leopard>18 - Achilles>19 - Triumph>20 - ExcaliberNew Bazaar Heavy/Assault Battlemech Factory (1d20 by 2 different anons)(List populated by D tech variants present somewhere in the Jihad or later in MegaMekLabs)>1-3 - Archer 2R>4-6 - 2K>7-9 - 2S>10-12 - 6W>13-14 - BattleAxe 7K>15 - Black Knight KNT>16 - KNT-L>17-18 - Bombardier 10D>19 - Cataphract 1X>20 - 2X>21 - 4X>22 - Catapult C1>23 - A1>24 - C4>25 - K2>26-27 - Champion 2N>28 - Crusader 3R>29 – 3L>30 - 3D>31 - 3K>32-33 - Dragon 1N>34-35 - Flashman 7K>36-37 - Grand Dragon 1G>38-43 - Grasshopper 5H>44-49 - 5N>50-51 - Guillotine 4L>52-53 - Hammerhands 3D>54-55 - JagerMech S>56-57 - Lancelot 02>58 - Marauder 3R>59 – 3D>60 – 3M>61 - 3L>62 - Merlin 1A>63 - 1B>64 - Orion K>65 – V>66 – V-DC>67 - VA>68 - Ostroc 2C>69 – 2M>70 – 3C>71 – 2L>72 - 9C>73 - Ostsol 4D>74 - 4F>75 - Quickdraw 4G>76 - 4H>77 - 5A>78 - Rifleman 3N>79 - 4D>80 - 3C>81 - Thunderbolt 5S>82 - 5D>83 - 5SS)>84-86 - Warhammer 6R>87-89 - 6L>90-92 - 6K>93-95 - 6D>96-100 – Reroll, then Find Equivalent Variant 1 Tech Rating Higher of Result
Rolled 14 (1d20)>>98875750Dropship Production Class: Cat's Bane
>>98875778Well, that's just shameful, we build the shitbox that lost out to the Union.
Sheesh
Rolled 6 (1d20)>>98875794On the other hand, it's a funny coincidence that the pirates produce Buccaneers. Plus nobody can say we're a mary sue faction right?>>98875750rolling for Golgotha
>>98875934>Condor >The Dropship with the 'off the record storage space'Also very fitting for a nation of pirates. And that it was originally intended for infantry and vehicles fits both with being a Periphery state, and having a combined arms preference.Also, between the Buccaneer and the Condor, I guess the Namekians are really into Aerodynes, which sorta fits the whole freebooter aesthetic I suppose.
>>98860874>Killing geckos is a service to the Inner Sphere.He is right.
Rolled 89 (1d100)>>98875750>New Bazaar Heavy/Assault Battlemech Factory (1d20 by 2 different anons)(List populated by D tech variants present somewhere in the Jihad or later in MegaMekLabs)I'm guessing you meant a d100?
>>98876079>Warhammer 6LHothammer is a nice pull
Rolled 23 (1d100)>>98875750Rolling for New Bazaar's Heavy/Assault Battlemech Factory
>>98876096
>>98875750>I wonder if it experienced a major economic boom after the nation's founding.Clearly Namek was the old Capital and they didn't want to draw attention to their factories, or maybe it just sits in the system with the best jump point access?
>>98876096So close to a K2, that would have been rad.
>>98876124The nice thing about the Catapult is that both of the "arms" are easily swapped out for different weapons, and with the A1 it only has 2xLRM15s so swapping to 2xPPCs shouldn't be too hard for the mech techs
>>98876141If we're supposed to be a relatively advanced state, it'd be neat to have some variants of our variants down the line. Like switching the LRMs out for MMLs on the Catapult or tossing on some FF on the Warhammers.
>>98876152>it'd be neat to have some variants of our variantsWith pirates every mech will likelly end up heavily customized if its privately owned.Although the most obvious variant to make would be one that is better at fighting in space.Jumpjets + LRMs already make it the obvious choice between the two for such tasks.
>>98876152At the very least, there should be a steady supply of DHS by the late 50's I'd imagine. Especially since DHS was supposed to be common by 3058 anyway. That alone would give more tonnage to work with.
>>98876172>>98876171I'm betting a common refit is retrofitting with DHS and adding in JJs. A Hothammer has 18 SHS, switch to 14 DHS and you can have just enough tonnage for 4 JJs while still improving heatsinking. Funny thing though, that leaves you exactly enough crits for Heavy ferro-fibrous, which the Lyrans produce, who we're apparently really tight with. just saying
>>98876180Even if we're tight with the Lyrans, you would still be reliant on the them to ship you replacement Heavy ferro-fibrous anytime you get shot at.Sounds more like an expensive "royal" variant belonging to someone who travels to Lyran / Falcon space more often than the rest of the Namek Collective.Maybe on of those homeless nobles who showed up starts refitting for those who can afford the shipping fees of getting anything out into the periphery behind clan territory.Also aren't DHS a higher tech rating than what we have access to?
>>98875778>>98875945>No mech dropshipsI guess the people who own and operate those few dropships that can transport mechs, will be part of the ruling elite no matter what then.
>>98869949>A mech so perfect that they didn't even need to make any variants
>>98876201Yeah realistically Namek would just try to figure out FF in house eventually. I'm just saying it'd make sense, probably for a few of the captains that want that extra bit of protection on their mechs. >Also aren't DHS a higher tech rating than what we have access to?It shouldn't be? I could have sworn DHS is really common standard tech post Clan Invasion.>>98876217If we go by the idea that the pre-state pirate band would duel Dracs regularly, we could say that Mechs are tradionally seen in a special light(well a different kind of special than usual).The main bulk of their forces were likely always a mix of various infantry types and light vehicles, for a mix of conventional military and rapid raiding force, with mechs traditionally reserved for duelling, wagers, and against other mechs when present.It could also be how they gel so well against Clanners, because Namekian Mechwarriors are all about personal skill and taking any challenge thrown at them, because you look like a bitch otherwise. You could even go further and say the Mechs are the totems and symbolic of their individual crews within the collective band, and that transferred over to a dedicated warrior class when the pirate band shifted into a proper nation state.Maybe individual crews manned around specific dropships often got into duels between each other as much as they did other factions, but it was never to the death. Mostly just as a means of settling grievances and keeping each other sharp.The government is supposed to be a style of Hereditary Feudalism with Low Central Authority after all. Maybe the hereditary system is a mix of ship captains, Mechwarriors, and land holders making up Namek's equivalent to a feudal lord social class. Maybe they're all loosely sworn to the strongest fleet owning house as a 'Commanding Admiral' based off the old SLDF title?That's all just me tossing out ideas though.
>>98875945>Bay 1: Vehicles (20 Light), 1 door>Bay 2: Infantry (12 foot platoons), 1 door>Bay 3: Cargo (1,651 tons), 0 doors>20 light vehiclesWho wants to backstab some clanners with an AC20 strapped to a 35 ton hovercraft going 130km/h?
>>98876275>The governmentSpeaking of which, what should our currency be? The doubloon? Solars (Currency being pegged against the system recharge station in Dreamer's Bay)Or maybe even pegging it against the most common commodity traded between the 5 planets: Standardized Cargo Containers
>>9887524322 Condors and 28 Buccaneers (Rounded down) seem like a lot of dropships to produce each year.Or put differentlyThat's adding 36.322+64.638= 100.960 tons of shipping capacity to the sovereignty each year.Not to mention the ability to ship 440 light vehicles and 264 infantry platoons.And while not as impressive as some dropships, it is also adding the combined firepower of 22 PPCs, 66 AC5s, 22 LRM15s, 110 Large Lasers and 176 medium lasers from the Condors and 28 Large Lasers, 28 LRM5s and 168 medium lasers from the Buccaneers.Not counting the ones that get converted into some form of miniature warship.
>>98876275>DHS is really common standard tech post Clan Invasion.Sure, but in what context? Was the line about them being common implicating just the great houses?
>>98876328We're just built different.
>>98875934With the sheer quantity of Condor's we can produce, we would probably opt for a couple of those retrofitted "Dove" hospital ships rather than any big dedicated hospitals within the Namek sovereignty (Easy stationary targets for people who dislike pirates)Anything advance probably goes on the ships and then local planets just have the bare necessities and beds for the sick.
>>98876277I like how the thread just silently agreed Namekians are hovertank chads
>>98876275Is Dropship ownership what entitles you to being considered nobility? And if so, are Mechwarriors they're own status of nobility or something like the best Mechwarrior in the crew gets to basically be the champions of their captain?And who runs the factories that run something so culturally defining, are they collectively run by the state or are they run by the highest houses in the state?How do jump ships fit?If ships are the main qualifier,care there tons of smallcraft owners aping at being minor nobility?
>Condor price>300.000.000 Cbills>Revenue/Mission: 300.000 Cbills>Buccaneer price>100.000.000 Cbills>Revenue/Mission: 256.000 CbillsThe feudal part of the system is undoubtedly whoever owns the factory on Golgotha and whoever owns the factory Cat's Bane, with everyone else paying them for shipping.Piracy is just creative shipping opportunities after all.I wonder if the reason why Dreamer's Bay became the Capital was because neither Golgotha or Cat's Bane was willing to acknowledge the other as being superior, so a neutral third party was chosen. (Likely this is also just where all of the various displaced pirates congregated during/after the clan invasion)The post-SLDF colonization in a hostile system likely a joint effort by these two noble houses to build a hidden Warhammer + Catapult factory deep underground in a system otherwise seemingly devoid of life or civilization.I wonder if the population of 6 million end up shorter on average due to the cramped confines of having to live and work underground.At the very least New Bazaar would have a department/organization dedicated to watching the sun and making charts of when its (presumably) safe to jump in and out of the system.They probably have some wild nothern lights all across the planets every time there's a solar storm, might even be a feast day where everyone goes and watches the pretty lights in the sky. (And because leadership turns off anything that might accidentally get fried on those days)The constant radiation probably also means they'll have far more mutant plants and animals if the planet is habitable.
>>98876374I think it was the Vanu part that really cemented it for me.
>>98876393>I wonder if the reason why Dreamer's Bay became the Capital was because neither Golgotha or Cat's Bane was willing to acknowledge the other as being superior, so a neutral third party was chosen. (Likely this is also just where all of the various displaced pirates congregated during/after the clan invasion)>The post-SLDF colonization in a hostile system likely a joint effort by these two noble houses to build a hidden Warhammer + Catapult factory deep underground in a system otherwise seemingly devoid of life or civilization.Maybe these two houses/biggest fleets, after potentially centuries of sharing a 'culture' of Namekians and jockeying for dominance, were able to eventually form a proper state by pulling a Hanse Davion and just marrying their houses, with Dreamer's Bay being the agreed on seat of their new state, rather than taking one of their ancestral seats, so as to not be perceived of favoring one house over the other. Plus one main line house directly owning both Dropship factory pretty much firmly puts them in power, since even the free sailor Namekian captains who own their Dropships would still rely on the factories for parts and probably repair dotted along the planets.
>>98875934>mfw I chose Golgotha as the name because back in the day I called my Battlefleet gothic fleet the Golgotha Fleet>mfw Golgotha ended up being the naval superpower with the most heavily armed shipsPrepare for boarding action!
>>98876412Forgot pic
>>98876399based
>>98876405>Plus one main line house directly owning both Dropship factory pretty much firmly puts them in powerHow would that fit with Heriditary Feudalism (Low Centralization)?The house controls industry, medicine, trade and pensions.But every pirate is otherwise free to choose their targets within their means, making deals with the many, many various minor sub factions and dropship captains to secure passage if they don't have a ship of their own. >It's called Dreamer's Bay because it's full of people dreaming of going to the stars, making it easy for freshly minted dropship pilots to find themselves new customers.One thing I know for sure however, is that with those Mineral Rich Asteroids in Golgotha, at least one Condor has had its vehicle bay retrofitted into a giant smelter so they can do asteroid mining. We do have access to producing a limited quantity of Battle armor after all.
>>98876466>How would that fit with Heriditary Feudalism (Low Centralization)?>The house controls industry, medicine, trade and pensions.>But every pirate is otherwise free to choose their targets within their means, making deals with the many, many various minor sub factions and dropship captains to secure passage if they don't have a ship of their own.Yeah. On paper the ruling house is the head of state, but in practice while they control vital industry and key systems, the vast majority of Namekian dropship crews are mostly independent and free to do what they want under a semi-loose coalition built on a shared culture and ideals. The captains work together when it comes to matters of state, but otherwise it's like a couple hundred tiny sub factions in the day to day.Funny enough, this feels like a parallel to both Fire Mandrill Kindraa and RL vikings.
>>98876352I forget, but can Battle Armor use regular infantry holds? Because if so, then even the stock Condors come in clutch when Namek gets access to BAs.
>>98876495>I forget, but can Battle Armor use regular infantry holds?Well they wouldn't have anything prebuilt for repairing / maintaining them, but I'm sure one or two vehicle bays could be repurposed for that purpose, it's not like you lack for storage space and you mostly just need living space for the dudes inside of the armor.
>>98876399FUCKIN ROOMBAS!!!
>>98876180Upgrading to DHS can probably done almost anywhere.I don’t think adding Jump Jets would be so easy outside of a factory redesign, at least not without complications/consequences. So many variables too consider if the mech wasn’t initially designed to be jump capable.But, it’s “future-tech” and a game so enjoy your concept of Battletech.
>>98875778>>98875934>Tries to reduce the odds of the two rolling identical or near-identical dropships>They do it anyway...I suppose this was inevitable with the previous rolls.>>98876124This was just rolling for the stock variation produced by the factory. Other variants can be retrofitted, with some going into E or F rating with imports. As a slightly relevant aside, the 125-145 range they have for their engine would include the Locust-1P, which went down to a 140 in order to carry a PPC. As a Light/Medium, it does not require a special features roll and can just exist as a factory if we want, which gives them native PPCs production for such a Catapult swap.>>98875794It lost out to the Union for the SLDF Mech Contract, but it did turn into the most successful civilian dropship across the Inner Sphere.Also, there is a very wealthy pirate called Vance Rezak that made an uparmored and upgunned version. It is E tech, but Namek would 100% know of him because he's active in the Draconis Drift from the 3040s to the Jihad. They may not be able to fully replicate his Buccaneer Rezak/Red Raider in-house thanks to stuff like Gauss Rifles but it could be a template for a Pocket Warship.>>98876217As with the aforementioned replication, you can make some local variants so long as they look like they'd be a variant rather than something entirely new. Buccaneer production is at 28.5 per year and Condor is at 22.2 per year, so they probably got a few more they've come up with rather than just outputting the 2801 and 3035 "Dove" Condors and 2708, 2709 (Vehicle), and 2792 Buccaneers.>>98876275>It shouldn't be? I could have sworn DHS is really common standard tech post Clan Invasion.It's common tech, but still an Star League E rating tech in terms of advancement like Ferro-Fibrous. Namek may have some experimental/in limited production for Elite units due to their ISAW 6 Experimental (just like with Battle Armor) but that isn't standard.
>>98876812Reminder that the difference between an Assault Dropship and a Pocket Warship is that a Pocket Warship is required to mount Subcapital or Capital Weapons. A bunch of guns does not a Pocket Warship make.
>>98876708>So many variables too consider if the mech wasn’t initially designed to be jump capable.I know the Capellans made a jumping Warhammer, but they used improved jump jets and dropped the engine size.>>98876849True we probably don't produce anything big enough for making a pocket warship, since the MULE is more than twice the size of our biggest dropship.
>>98876812>native PPCs productionI mean we have a Warhammer 6L factory.
>>98876495Yeah, they can
>>98876495It's implied in some descriptions that BA bays have special equipment such as recharge plugs and locking harnesses sized specifically for BA, but mechanically there's no separate item for them, they just go into any infantry bay with enough tonnage to hold them.
>>98877023BA bays are their own thing and include orbital drop cocoons.
>>98876849What brave anon is going to figure out how much stuff has to be stripped from a Condor to fit a 2000 ton Naval Autocannon/10?>44% of my entire 4500 ton dropship is just one really, really big gun.>tfw it's still the smallest Navel Autocannon>tfw each round weights 200kg
>>98877027I'm thinking of compartments.
>>98877045Unfortunately, the only legal full cap weapons are missiles on PWS.
>>98876117>or maybe it just sits in the system with the best jump point access?There's System Recharge Station there, which is the most obvious explanation, safest system to jump to because you can get out of dodge fast if you need to.
>>98877051Anon we don't have elementals, a person in BA sleeps in the same bed as regular infantry and eats the same food in the mess hall.
>>98877063Transporting BA also involves transporting a very heavy suit of battery powered myomer that can't just be left in a heap in the corner and thrown on like a pair of jeans.
>>98877054>Missiles onlyI guess we'll have to raid the Combine for some of their Teleoperated Capital MissilesThe launchers/missiles aren't even that heavy, but I very much doubt we can produce any of them locally.
>>98876849>>98876978I blame these fuckups on having only just woken up at the time posted that.>>98876954>True we probably don't produce anything big enough for making a pocket warship, since the MULE is more than twice the size of our biggest dropship.Buccaneer has about 2300 tons of cargo space and the Condor has 1570 tons.Meanwhile an AR10 launcher is 250 tons, a Killer Whale only launcher is 150, a White Shark is 120, and a Barracuda is 90.And ammo weight is 1 shot per 50 tons for the Killer Whale missile, 1 per 40 for a White Shark missile, and a Barracuda is 1 per 30.Theoeretically they could throw on as much armor as possible and have a missile launcher mounted where the bay doors were while turning the cargo bay into an ammo rack and cram at least some number of shots in there.They don't have TransporTech to pull this off as even an Experimental, but maybe from a distance the Clans assumed they did do that. Either that or they jammed in as many LRMs as they could. Put enough LRMs on enough of them and you got something that'll be a danger to a warship, even if not true capital weaponry.
>>98877063Compartments are what go in APCs and include a chair (optional), bays are what go in dropships and include bunks and bathrooms and a mess hall.
>>98877075>that can't just be left in a heap in the cornerGetting someone with an arc welder to put something up in designated holding bays isn't actually that hard, the rest is just having the interns drag really long power cables around.
If we're talking periphery dropships, then there's also the Danais which leads directly into the Trojan. The Danais was the consolation prize the star league let the periphery make after Reunification. The Trojan is the upgunned blockade runner that Danais can be easily converted into since they're such a basic design.But importantly, the Trojan is explicitly described as having many more variants and examples than what actually has a record sheet, each one can be marginally unique with different hidden bays and weapons in different locations depending on what the builders want to do with it.
>>98877082>Someone buys as many Large Lasers, PPCs, and Blazers as they can get their hands on.>Mount them all to the door and fill the bay with Heat Sinks>Call it the Makankosappo / Special Beam Cannon
>>98877082>Either that or they jammed in as many LRMs as they could. Put enough LRMs on enough of them and you got something that'll be a danger to a warship, even if not true capital weaponry.Who knows what they did or didn't put in all of those hollowed out asteroids from centuries of mining?
>>98877114>If we're talking periphery dropshipsWe're mainly talking about the Condor and the Buccaneer since those are the two locally produced in the threads OC periphery system.
>>98877082Here's a pitch.
>>98877118>Not just mounting a single Naval Laser 35 insteadIt's "only" 700 tons
>>98877146>The mainstay homegrown Namekian force consists of a Warhammer 6L and a Catapult A1 along with a small army of light vehicles and infantry.>>98876277Beyond the Saladin what are some good light vehicles? They'll probably use them over light mechs in many cases, so it wouldn't hurt to have some variety in that department.Also what should be the stock rifle option for infantry? Obviously every unit will use whatever they happen to have on hand, but I figure they would probably have one or two stock options.
>>98877146>Infantry (Foot) (12) (1 Door)>Light Vehicle (20) (1 Door)>Mech (2) (1 Door)>Cargo (178) (1 Door)Where do you figure they managed to fit two entire extra doors in?
Wait a minute.>Warhammer 6L>280 Engine>Catapult A1>260 Engine>Native Production>135>Double that is 270>+/-10 for counts as>260-280The Engine for our heavy mechs is two 130s stapled together, isn't it? Weighing as much as the standalones and going down at the same time due to everything needed to get them to work together?
>>98877213It's only one more door, and there's enough room on the top for the Mechs to ride an elevator up.
>>98877237>It's only one more doorThe cargo bay doesn't have a door on the Condor>elevator upSo they can fall off and break their knees and before failing to stand up again because neither of our mainstay heavies have hands?
>>98877224>The Engine for our heavy mechs is two 130s stapled together, isn't it?
>>98877023So basically Namek came out really coherent as a faction despite being built from randomized rolls and shit posting. It's ironic that the Condor ends up really showing its value in the era where the state is formed and has access to BAs.
>>98877149Unfortunately Comstar hates us, so we'll just have to wait until Jihad to start looting them off Blakists.
>>98877188Well if we have the Saladin, then it's easy to assume we have a lot of Scimitars and Saracens too. The Pegasus has also been brought up multiple times and would make sense what with the 140 FEs produced in house. I'd assume we'd have a lot of APCs because we seem to have a lot of Infantry, and if our combat vehicles tend to be fast hovertanks for rapid skirmishes and raiding, then I'd suggest that the generic Hover APC and Heavy Hover APC are both really common in our forces. Otherwise? I wouldn't be surprised if there was some Quickcell derivative in our space that produces all the usual ubiquitous conventionals like SRM Carriers Manticores, Scorpions, etc. Probably a lot of Scorpions desu.
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>>98877261This is actually canonically how the Acguy from Gundam works.
Gentlemen. It is with a heavy heart that I must report to you an event that has occurred in the 2nd battle of Kapteyn Academy. A mech's head has been destroyed in the battle. One of the pilots may be dead. At this point, I am seeking feedback no how the players would like me to proceed in such an event. Not in regards to how the battle plays out, but should the Mechwarrior be dead, survive, or perhaps work out a chart that involves rolling for survival by the Mechwarrior in question? Please let me know what you'd prefer.The Mechwarrior's identity will remain unrevealed at this time. The pic being included here is of previous turns and unrelated to the event that occurred, but it's proof that it's me.
>>98878463>mech's head has been destroyed in the battle.That's why you give the recruits bug mechs!>Not in regards to how the battle plays out, but should the Mechwarrior be dead, survive, or perhaps work out a chart that involves rolling for survival by the Mechwarrior in question?Up to you? GuM grudge match ran on the same logic of GuP that safety mechanisms made out of plot armor prevent a lethal shot from happening. You're the one writing it though so can make it a tragic accident if you wish?
>>98878463A death to headcap is a bit unsatisfying narratively, but that's the kind of world Battletech is. I say roll with it, if it's Morgan I'll write up a final letter after the batrep.
>>98878463Oh fuck, oh fuck, oh fuck. Guys, I have a confession to make. I made this post after the shooting phase but before the melee phase. Another mech just lost their head.>>98878477Yeah! About that! Heh heh heh! It happened again... in the same turn.
>>98878513So is the school about to get shut down?
>>98878463The unworthy perish, this is the way of things.
>>98878513>>98878463>A second 'Mech has been head capped
>>98878463>>98878513Such is the risk we take. If William is dead I am willing to roll a replacement and see the story to its conclusion
>>98878463I would roll for it just because I think training mechs might have more safeguards installed, possibly including links to each others targeting.
>>98878525I mean at this point, that would make sense, right? There's been a suicide, the death of a great house's liaison, and now 2 possible cadet deaths on top of that. It should probably. Heck, a responsible school would stop the battle immediately after such a thing, but... this is run by a crazed Comstar Precentor with delusions of grandeur and many of the Mechwarriors are already showing themselves to be fighting at the level of elites. Perhaps the school will develop a bit of a reputation for being a very dangerous school, but one that the great houses would continue to utilize as it gets some real tangible results.
>>98878571That's kind of what I'm leaning towards at the moment, but I'm not sure what kind of roll that would be. Do I bother taking the Mechwarrior's stats into consideration at all? Their condition before it happened? The way the head was destroyed? Is there a chart out there already in one of the many books that addresses this? Perhaps there's something in the campaign book that I can find later.
>>98878572>There's been a suicide, the death of a great house's liaison, and now 2 possible cadet deaths on top of that.At Sun Zhang, that's called 'Tuesday'.
>>98878578I think there's an edge roll you can do for pilot survival or auto ejection or something like that. Probably multiple.
>>98878572THIS IS WHY CADETS HAVE TO SIGN A WAIVER
>>98878584HONOR THE DRAGON!
>>98878578Tacops has thisDestruction ofHeadLocation:If players are looking fora slightly less deadly style of play involving MechWarriors—specifically if they are playing a campaign—use the followingrule. Any time the internal structure of a cockpit location isdestroyed and the unit has an ejection system (not counting aBattleMech Full-Head Ejection System, see p. 310), the auto-ejectautomatically engages. However, regardless of the conditionof the pilot, the MechWarrior automatically receives damageto bring its condition up to 5 hits (so a pilot with no hits anda pilot with 3 hits under these rules would both fill out theircondition monitors to 5 hits, to represent the MechWarrior’s“skin-of-the-teeth” survival). The pilot may still take damageduring the ejection itself, and these rules do not apply in theevent of a critical hit to a cockpit slot (in which case the pilotis still killed).
>>98878599I'm sure they did. The clause is buried somewhere in the stack of paperwork they signed.>>98878593Here's the thing, if it does come down to a roll, my intention is to have it done publicly here, by the anon that rolled up the Mechwarrior themselves. Just seems fitting that way.
>>98878603Huh. That schedule kind of reminds me of nuke school.
>>98878607Thank you for finding that for me. Good to know. However that appears to just end up being an optional rule which would fall into the category of the Mechwarrior always living. I'll have to give this whole thing some thought. Good thing there's still going to be plenty of time until the battle is over.
>>98878603And Teddy K crushed this shit like a boss
>>98878572I demand a full investigation into the cadet that fired that kill shot!!! They should be expelled for intentionally killing one of their peers!!!!!!
>>98878638It's not official, but the FCP campaign system has a simple 1d6 roll if your commander gets got, on a 3-6, he survives with 5 wounds, on a 1-2, he dead.
>>98878690>>98878638Here's the one from the Aces campaign book.
>>98878572Well you have your answer, Comstar can suppress the news of any mishaps through control of the HPG station.
>>98878780I vote this one since someone potentially getting out unscathed when someone else is smeared across the landscape is more interesting.
>>98878780That looks good. Think I'll go with that when the time for the rolls comes around. A 2 or 3 on 2d6 is very low odds. I need something to represent the 4-6 range however. Considering the nature of these battles, I think some sort of stat reduction would be in line for it. The question at that point becomes, how much? Perhaps just a fresh re-roll of the pilot stats. Maybe something like 2d6 gets rolled and each number results in a certain amount of permanent stat penalties, as referenced by a chart I could make.
>>98878780Alright, here's what I'm thinking now as a chart to roll on that works within my setting of getting to roll for stat upgrades after each battle. The pic you showed me did play a big factor in coming up with this. Thoughts on it? Open to everyone with that one.
>>98879001The permenant +'s instead of hospitalized for X seems a bit extreme, especially the +3 values. A dude never trained to pilot a mech in his life is still a 7/8.
How do you resolve damage to a spot that has modular armor?Rules describe it as an extra armor health pool(unless a crit hits it and causes all the armor to fall off) But it's a solid ton of armor. So do you have to divide whatever the weight of your armor is and then apply extra blips that would add up to 1 ton?Same apply if you put 3 crits of modular armor? You have 3 tons of whatever your armor is on top of the structure armor?
>>98879019I agree. You can get some absolutely horrific injuries in Megamek and recover in a few months. It should be a scaling penalty to improvement rolls representing stagnation while recovering in hospital.
>>98879019Really don't want to do hospitalized for X. There's only going to be so many battles and I don't want anyone having their pilot be left out of it if the pilot is alive. Maybe I'm a bit of a sadist, but I do like the idea of the permanent stat increases to represent long-term injuries. I am however open to the possibility of tweaking those numbers. I'd also like to make it clear that if those are rolled, the mechwarrior would still get to roll for new stat upgrades like normal. The penalties would just always be applied on top of that.
>>98879072You make a good point and that is what the rolls of 7 & 8 are meant to represent. You know, it occurs to me that I also wasn't considering if a Mechwarrior ends up having to roll on the chart multiple times. It immediately becomes super crippling then. What about this new one?
>>98879109I like this one.
>>98878463>>98878513If my guy dies, he dies. I agree to using the chart >>98879109.And hey, I'd say that all information being ruthlessly suppressed until the graduation occurs and what actually went down gets leaked causing the school to be shut down could be used to make this sorta canon compliant.Hell, last battle could be less of a test, and more the students having bonded with each other enough and having grown to hate how much shit has gone down that they all quit...but the Precentor has staked too much on the school to let it fail so a battle ensues as they have to fight their way out from the mech stables to stealing a dropship or something.
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>>98879355Also the chart is fine.
Anyone know if there's a Record Sheet for Inner Sphere at War nations anywhere? I was trying to track one down for making the proper sheet for the Namek Supremacy and general template for the Roll Chart I mentioned >>98875192, but I haven't found one. Do those not exist and you track that game on random scrap paper, or are they buried in a really weird spot?
just started playing two weeks ago, got two random blind box's. playing on the weekend with my friend, I'm going clans he's going inner.whats the 4chan approved clan list, I'm thinking Diamon shark
>>98879544The first thing you need to understand is there iswaitthisisbaitisntit
>>98879544We hate cl*nn*r scum hereAlso bring the mechs you like, this isn't 40k, building your force isn't rigid by faction but by era.
>>98879576>but by era.ah, right we are going clan invasion, I remember that from mech warrior
>>98879544Jade Turkeys, Smoked Jaguars, or Rusty Snakes.
Green BirdSmoked CatReally Smoked CatSpooky BearAngry MonkeyTomato Dog
>>98879064It just adds additional pips, to whatever location the modular armor is mounted. It'll be indicated on the record sheet. Per tacops errata 3.02, it's considered standard armor, it doesn't use whatever the base armor type is. Go read the relevant rules.
>>98879544If you are looking at Invading Clans, then Smoke Jaguar (though they get a bit weird in later eras) followed by Nova Cat. Jade Falcon does have some weight as the Vegeta of the Clans and nostalgia for the old cartoon, but does fall victim to basically everything they do being about Clan Wolf.If you include the ones not part of the OG invasion but came around later, Hell's Horses and Goliath Scorpion are okay as they generally remain outside the Clan Wolf Attention Whore Singularity. Hell's Horses slightly less than Goliath Scorpion as the latter didn't enter the sphere proper, but the Horses counterbalance it by being the guys whoa remain the most Clan faction of those who did enter the Inner Sphere.If you look at the ones that remained Homeworld only or only had brief Inner Sphere appearances, then there's Fire Mandril who represents the spirit of this place the most.
>>98879782Thanks, I was thinking of nova cat.also am I crazy or are pulse lazers really strong? +2 to hit seems really good
>>98879793IS ones are a bit more situational due to the range brackets, but clan pulses are some of the most efficient and consistent weapons in the game.
>>98879576Any great house or mercenary force having protomechs ever is as likely as anyone having an atlas III during the clan invasion.
>>98879576>this isn't 40k, building your force isn't rigid by factionBoth factions have some mechs that the other never gets.The Blackjack is a Innersphere mech exclusively outside the goons for example.And the innersphere never gets a Grizzly etcThe best way to pick a faction is to choose 1-2 favorite mechs and then figuring out if they are era/faction agnostic or specific to someone.Some mechs are universal like say the Warhammer for example.
>>98879649These are all just drinks found on Dreamer's Bay aren't they?
>>98880179
>>98877824>I'd assume we'd have a lot of APCs
>>98879109Good table. 12 should be an improvement though for finding illumination near death/secret Comstar biotech-cyborg bullshit. It is Classic after all.
>>98878572Sounds like perfect candidates to hear the blessed word of Blake?
>>98880221>It is Classic after all.Not an excuse for derpshit
>>98880152Guy by the name of EeZeE Company on youtube went through every single chasis in IlClan to find which ones had at least 1 variant in every faction across the Inner Sphere, Periphery, and the Clans. The ones available to all 30 factions in that era are the Atlas, Rifleman, and the Stinger.Ones that are close to it are the Archer (which the Hell's Horses don't have), the Griffin (missing the Kell Hounds), the Warhammer (missing the Scorpion Empire), and the only one of Clan origin: the Incubus/Vixen (missing the Wolf's Dragoons).Yes, the Incubus is the one clanmech available to basically everyone and the only holdout is the guys who were originally Clanner spies.
>>98880248>Warhammer not mentionedWait who doesn't get access to Warhammers? Also if you ignore the periphery states/pirates that list gets a lot longer.
>>98880248>the Warhammer (missing the Scorpion Empire)
>>98880248>Yes, the Incubus is the one clanmech available to basically everyone and the only holdout is the guys who were originally Clanner spies.That's not how you spell the Griffin IIC
>>98879667how do you determine how many pips it adds though?Also, techmanual has you treat its BV the same as whatever the armor installed is, actually. So it's not just standard armor.
>>98880282>The SLDF museum faction doesn't use the #1 SLDF ubiquitous grunt heavy mechSurely this is just a typo whoever made the MUL made.
>>98880297More likely lazy lore.
>>98880290Pic you're using is Inner Sphere/Periphery. Adding in Clans and the Merc Companies, the Griffin IIC is missing for both the Wolf's Dragoons and the Kell Hounds, making it only hit 28/30 when doing an all faction count, putting it 1 less than the Incubus.
>>98880297Only variants that show up for Clan Goliath Scorpion at all are the 6Rb up until the Jihad/War of Reaving with no Scorpion Empire mention, and then the base C that goes into the Scorpion Empire until the Early Republic. Notably, they also lose all of their IICs in the Jihad/War of Reaving era.It looks like they lost all examples of the Warhammer in the War of Reaving with a handful limping on. But somehow they are the only faction with access to the Warhawk/Maskari after that same period of time.
>>98880396>>98880297I'm guessing they don't have production and never saw a point in building a production line, and any functioning Warhammers would be seen as relics to be kept safe. That's just a guess though.
Now let's figure out how it can possibly be true that the kell hounds don't have any Griffins after the Jihad.
>>98880584Good taste?
>>98880584And why the Kell Hounds Striker Lance box includes a Griffin if they are one of the few factions to lose all their Griffins after the timeline reaches a certain point.
>>98880584The cynical answer is so that CGL can sell more plastic crack, especially hoping that the influx of disenfranchised 40k fans who are trained from childhood to adhere to strict list building will simply discard "useless" mechs in a box rather than just proxy it as a myriad of other mechs that look near identical.You must realize that 40k fans are conditioned to look for excuses to buy new plastic crack, whether its a new edition invalidating their list by removing old models, or just making the rules so dogshit that no one would ever run them outside friendly beer and pretzels games. (Spoiler people still only run it once and then realize they are gimping themselves for no reason)
>>98880584Post dark age unit access is deranged, loads of shit that was ubiquitous for over a hundred years magically evaporates.
>>98880248>>98880371>Goons are a recurring problem child>For some reason they refuse to use a mech, that regular mercenaries have access to and thereby they would have access to through outreach.This was all orchestrated by someone who was mad only Gooners got near exclusivity for mechs like the Imp right?
>>98880660>>98880621>>98880659 i think its not that they have no griffins, but more that they no longer have NEW griffins. as of the end of kihad and republic and into ilClan, many mechs have sexy ass new variants the T's and such, and these ilclan era versions are whats getting made. so the kell hounds probably still have any 3M griffins from the invasion era that t had left, but they proabably don't have the fancy new 5R's (iirc) or whatever they are. or the griffin C's made by sea foxes for sale. conversely the kell hounds DO happily get instead access to a WHOLE bunch of fuckawesome full clantech spec IS built classic mechs from steiner. banshee 12s, zeus 11s, crusader 10s etc. and i think the new wolfhound too. i can't remember which. i only saw whilst i was looking at cool 'current' ilclan era steiner shit that>huh, the fucking kell hounds get this too? for fucking why?
>>98880660>magically evaporates.Nukes aren't magic anon
Has anyone made AI cards for aerospace fighters in alpha strike?I'm running a coop game with a friend and we'd like to spice things up with some enemy air support.
>>98880659Speaking of 40kiddies, I know they have a proclivity to gravitate towards Alpha Strike because it's simpler to play, but what's the consensus on them figuring out that the point of Alpha Strike is to more easily facilitate company on company battles, or larger? I know a ton of 40kiddies were shocked to find out that a normal game of BT uses usually only 4 minis so the "buy in" costs of the game were anemic compared to the financial rape they are used to, but have they begun doing their army building tendencies for Alpha Strike games yet?
Added another Stormcrow to my collection so Config A won’t get lonely.
>>98880843Here's my current WIPAlso how much of a munchkin would /btg/ consider me for fielding this as my main/command star/lance that I build everything else around?
>>98880295>how do you determine how many pips it adds though?Per the record sheets of mechs that actually mount it, 10. It's always ten, regardless of base armor type.>Also, techmanual has you treat its BV the same as whatever the armor installed is, actually. So it's not just standard armor.Pic related
>>98880965>rifleman IICI’d be very careful with this one, or just use one of the alternate configs. Everything else on there is probably fine.
>>98880691Wrong.
What if there was a Marauder II IIC?
>>98881294I believe that would be a Marauder IIIC
>>98881041>I’d be very careful with this oneBecause it's going to get focus fired turn 1 by my opponent? I consider it my distraction carnifex for the assaults.In any game smaller than a full star the Annihilator / Bane takes priority since the Rifleman IIC is kinda pricey.>alternate configs.One of the reasons I like these five mechs is that they all have a cheap, shitty version for smaller games.The Rifleman IIC 2 along with the stock Bane is just funny because it's so many UAC2s for crit fishing.Throw in the Annihilator, Warhammer and Rifleman in their worst / cheapest configurations and they can all still punch big holes in mechs with all of those mid range guns.Unironically I have won a duel against a King Crab with the stock Bane by knocking the opposing pilot unconscious with the sheer amount of tiny headshots rattling them around. (Not before the King Crab ran out of AC20 ammo and blew a arm off however)
>>98881418>so many UAC2s for crit fishing.>Your average Namek infantry / hovertank heavy force.Begone combined arms fags
You walk into the bar and this guy slaps your girl's ass. Wat do?
>>98881552>Holy shit! Someone call an ambulance, that guy just shattered my girlfriend's pelvis!
>>98881552Claim his butte hold as isorla!
>>98881391Mathematically that would make it a IVC?
>>98881418>Because it's going to get focus fired turn 1 by my opponent?No, because many people consider CLPL spam to be unfun to play against. I would think twice about bringing it to a casual pick-up game until I knew my opponents a little better.
>A Namekian in a Warhammer 6L squares off in a duel against a Jade Falcon in a Warhammer C>Humoring this strange Batchall ritual was the only way to spare the lives of their men and hovertanks.>The conditions were simple>Winner takes all>If the Falcons win, they get a factory fresh Warhammer chassis to stuff full of clan tech and double heatsinks, in addition to a fierce bondsmen if the pilot survives.>If the Namekians win they get as much clan tech as they can manage to not destroy during the pitched duel against an aging Solahma warrior looking to go out in one final blaze of glory.>And if they choose to preserve the weapons by legging the opponent? Well it's up to the pirates to decide if they want to claim the pilot as a bondsman, their knowledge and experience might come in handy after all.Seems like a win/win situation to me.Part of the duel will no doubt be decided during the bidding, the ability to heckle the Falcon into disabling their weapons as to not lose face is going to be key to victory.
Do you think anyone issued a batchall to the Ghost Bears during the invasion with the prize being a day and night in the bed of their sakhan?
>>98881600>No, because many people consider CLPL spam to be unfun to play against.Surely you mean people who play exclusively with 3025 mechs right?Jokes aside it's not like I'd have the points left over after upgrading the Warhammer to C, the Rifleman to C, the Annihilator to C and the Bane to 2. To then also get the good Rifleman IIC, without my opponent also having an obscene amount of firepower at their disposal and being able to take it off the table within a few turns.Surely no clanner with a rival heavy/assault star would complain about me putting all of my Large Pulse lasers in one mech to easily focus fire? Especially with an entire Star of slowpoke mechs that can't dictate engagement terms.I need a credible threat to pull attention off of the Annihilator and Bane so I can keep firing those 8 UAC10s for as long as possible.But I hear you, I will keep in mind that I need to tell my opponent that this is my distraction carnifex, if they are unaware of the sleeper strength of clan large pulse lasers.
>>98881635This actually happened off the record at Tukayyid. Real and true, ask anyone.
>>98881646Tournaments often limit the amount of pulse lasers and jump 7+ mechs for a reason.In particular especially during the clan invasion CLPLs basically make it pointless to bring IS light mechs and a lot of mediums turning the game into wall of steel slugfests.It is wild that C3, guided arrow IV and semi-guided LRMs cost a shit load of extra BV the more you end up using but pulse laser and targeting computer spam gets to skate by for free.
>>98881854>Tournaments often limit the amount of pulse lasers and jump 7+ mechs for a reason.As unlikely as it is for me to participate in a tournament, how much BV do you get on average? Because it'll be a cheaper Rifleman IIC until I can meet these requirements at a minimum.I would feel filthy if I went for the WAAC rifleman IIC before at least bringing halfway decent clan retrofit mechs for the rest of the star.The stock Bane is a necessity not a preference, it can be a quite frustrating and under perform if not properly supported. The whole reason to bring an Annihilator and a Bane in the same list is for the 8UAC10s imo, the perfect lifeform and its taller older brother leading the pack.
I played the silly Halloween game.
>>98882104Those Kaiju's are gorgeous
>>98882104What's the deep lore?
>>988821038k BV is typical for Clan Invasion
>>98882209Yeah no threat of the Rifleman IIC showing up in my star at 8k BV
>>98882103Almost all generic pickup games in all eras run somewhere between 6k and 12k BV, trending to the lower end because people think it's faster. In reality, high BV games that spend all that extra BV on better pilots instead of more units go much faster since there's less whiffs in the shooting phase.
>>98882284>high BV games that spend all that extra BV on better pilots instead of more units go much faster since there's less whiffs in the shooting phase.Gunnery 3 pilots definitely make a big difference
>>98882284>12k BVThis is where the fun begins.jpg
>>98882295The math starts to break down at extremely high skill levels, but if you go all the way to gunnery 1 or 0, then you end up in situations where a max range gauss shot at a target that's sprinting to bring its own guns into range still hits on a 7 or 8. Anything in short range ends up hitting on 4s or 5s.
>>98882284>6kSacrifices had to be made.
>>98881601Considering even Star League tech tends to need 8 mechs to match 5 Clansmech and the IIC is 10 tons heavier, the single Clanner might well go for fighting a Namekian Lance of a Warhammer 6L, a Catapult A1, and some lights.
>slow gun line with no handsThere are some missions you will just loose
>>98882398>cam awn it's only three Saladin's backing me up, surely a mighty trueborn isn't afraid of a few brave freebirth warriors wishing to test their mettle? They have traveled far just to see how you clan warriors fight after all.
>>98882431As it was foretold/deliberate reenacting early contact with the clans:>>98839560
What's the most balanced dropship for a mercenary company? There's the obvious Union and Leopard class, but those seem kinda expensive for anything other than a House MilitaryMaybe an antiquated Manatee?
>>98882469Leopard tends to be the classic used in video games. Even if Aerodynes can't hover like they are often depicted doing so, instead needing a aerospace port.
>>98882419Hands are for LARPing nerds, I'm just here to demolish my enemy and see them driven before me, or die in the attempt.The smallest unit would be just the Annihilator and Bane as the ultimate Timmy duo stomping up the board. For a larger campaign with all of that RP stuff I'd probably bring a second star of lights. Filled with fresh cadets looking to log some hours doing menial labor with those mech hands.This is the Garrison star to end all garrison stars, especially considering its reliance on supply lines to keep stocked up on ammo.
>>98882469Union is the gold standard. Leopards are a meme dropship that stops working pretty quickly when you have to track replacement armor and spare parts due to its utter lack of cargo space. Every 8 points of damage you take is half a ton of cargo worth of armor. Replacement limbs are a couple tons each without accounting for any guns in them. You have 34 tons of cargo space unless you rip out the aero bays.
>>98882497I've always liked the concept of a flyby drop more anyway. Probably keeps the actual dropship way safer too.
>>98882511For poorer mercs you could also theoretically convert the unused mech bays into cargo, right? Most mercs probably wouldn't need twelve bays
>>98882533Sure, but the Union at least has enough cargo space to support a small operation by default.It's getting into the weeds, but another problem with the Leopard is that the internal doors between its bays are man sized, so if you need to bring out a three ton replacement arm, you have to space walk it out the cargo bay airlock and then back in through the mech bay airlock. You'd be lucky to be able to roll a toolbox through the internal doors between them.
>>98882497NTA but speaking of dropships, are there any clan dropships specifically for binaries?
>>98882511>Union is the gold standard. Leopards are a memeThe leopard is half the mass and only carries four mechs. It's not a meme, it just has a different role.
>>98882692Its role is to rapidly insert headhunters and disruption raiders while 50 more dropships come in with the rest of the Division. It's not suited for independent operations.Also the mass doesn't matter, they both use one drop collar on the jumpship.
>>98882738Yeah, that's my point. Mercs do a lot of that sort of thing, so to dismiss it off hand is silly.>Also the mass doesn't matterIt does if you're going to complain that it can't do everything a union can, and it certainly has an impact on the cost of the dropship.
>>98882766Mercs do that sort of thing independently. Meaning they have to bring their own spare parts and armor and ammo. The Leopard is meant to do that in a fleet where logistics are handled by other dropships. That's why it doesn't even have a good way to get bulky items from its cargo bay to its unit bays. You're not supposed to be living out of it.
>>98882801That's why the real move with a Leopard on its own is to rip out the ASF bays. That gives you 300 more tons of cargo, plenty for salvage and maintenance.
>>98882816And add some crew quarters so your friends aren't ready to kill each other by the end of the first week. You can only hot bunk with your mechtech and an astech for so long.
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>>98881552I tell him to get off of my Firestarter
>>98882766You would actually be surprised. Relatively speaking, the Leopard isn't actually an insane amount cheaper than the Union for what you're getting. It's the entire reason the Union is actually more common in the setting than the Leopard.
