>running game>remind fighters that they cannot sleep in full plate armor>remind fighters that they cannot be wearing armor every moment of the day>impose fatigue penalties on them for wearing full armor around all day>they get mad at me because REEEE YOU'RE PUNISHING MARTIALS>mfw this is something I have done for my own characters and had them be wearing padded armor underneath when they slept>mfw I've worn this armor irl >mfw most fantasy characters do not wear their armor everywhere they go anyway so "muh realismfagging" isn't a valid complaint Why are martislcucks the biggest most butthurt man babies ever? It's like they don't even want to play the class they are playing. They have a genuine persecution complex and seem to think it's some kind of virtue that they are playing a fighter, like they expect reparations for D&D 3e or something, even though that was a decade ago. They have got to be the biggest snowflakes ever, while trying to play the most masculine classes. What causes this?
>>98855142>>remind fighters that they cannot sleep in full plate armor>>remind fighters that they cannot be wearing armor every moment of the dayI have a Cleric that does both.Thank you armor Crystals and cheap as fuck enhancements.
Fightoids BTFO'D
>>98855142What was the point of this post?
>>98855202Push back against the CAAC Human Fighter meme the shit heads on here like to push.
>>98855202
>>98855154That's magic though. If the fighter wants to spend gold on a comfiness enchantment then thats a different matter. >>98855248what? I want /tg/ more active if anything. Niggerbeardia killed this board.
>>98855142>wearing armorSucks to be you slowpoke!
>>98855496>That's magic though. And Fighters have a long history across editions of being able to use magic armor/weapons.You seem to be complaining about some imaginary strawman of a Fighter who would rather stab themselves than be exposed to magic.
>>98855142>They have a genuine persecution complexwell, somebody does
Good on you. They shouldn't be able to swim either
>>98855142Any rule that slows the game down without a fun gameplay benefit should be scrapped. Nobody thinks it's fun having to say that they're constantly donning and doffing their armour just so that the GM doesn't pull the game to a halt over it.The game should incentivize having to remove it on occasion (eg, for stealth or fast overland travel, maybe) but it shouldn't be a chore, it should be a tactical decision. You are realismfagging not because "most fantasy characters don't wear their armour everywhere" but because you're making the game less fun to play with the reasoning being "in real life you need to remove your armour for comfort".Do you roll dice to check if characters get rocks in their boots every thousand steps?
>>98855142No, my armor is innate and has no downsides, actually.
is magic armor just a way tpgs handwave the fitting process that reduces armor clunkiness?
>>98855142Ask yourself this:Is my call as the GM actually improving the game? Are these restrictions interesting or meaningful in the moment? Or am I acting as some divine bureaucrat, who can only let forms pass with every t crossed and every i dotted?I know its easy to focus in on a vision that you've had from before the campaign, but did you make it clear to the players that this is what you wanted? Were they aware before the game started that you would be very particular with armor related encumbrance?Does this same line of thinking about the practical realities of adventuring effect other classic adventuring archetypes? Are mages held back by their encumbrance? Do you count every torch lit and time them from the moment of lighting to the moment they go out? How much time is spent by characters on simple maintenance of their gear? Do you have swords rust in their sheathe if they fail to clean and oil them?
>remind fighters that they cannot sleep in full plate armorIt is assumed I am taking it off before bed. C'mon, man. >remind fighters that they cannot be wearing armor every moment of the day>impose fatigue penalties on them for wearing full armor around all dayMaking up rules that aren't in the rulebook, are we?
>>98855682NTA but there is definitely a breed of players that want to be 100% mundane. I always see posts about being le plucky farmer with a pitchfork fighting against a dragon or powerful magic man in other places
>>98855248This gets posted all the time and I have a hard time believing it. Why tf would we have bots trying to make /tg/ of all places less interesting? If this were /b/, /pol/, or /v/, then sure, but /tg/? We're a middle-of-the-pack board that's fading out due to oldfags leaving and the general decline of the tabletop games industry, I don't think there's any conspiracy here.
>>98855142>you can choose to pay a high gold cost to have armor based AC, which has tons of limitations as described >or just have high dex and have the same AC for free without drawbacks, it’s also an attack and damage statI fucking hate dex in dnd
>>98855496>That's magic though. If the fighter wants to spend gold on a comfiness enchantment then thats a different matter.I like it when the fighter is the dude that can make the best use of magically enhanced gear.A well trained warrior with a magic sword should be more destructive than a dude throwing single target orbs of fire.>>98856104In that case there is no "e REEEE YOU'RE PUNISHING MARTIALS" because that's all there is right?
>>98856061fuck players
>>98856419The great lament of my D&D CON-Barbarian is that she doesn't get to use Warhammer rules of protection counting both Armor and Toughness. 17 AC unarmored (+2 DEX/+5 CON) while sleeping isn't bad, but it's a little silly that Half-Plate gives the exact same number and you can use a shield with both. She's trained with the armor just like she's trained with the shield, why does the shield make her harder to hit but not the armor?
>>98856572Honestly it all very depends on what kind of game you're running and as always this is basically mainly a dnd problem because the issue is that a lot of people have very,very different views on what kind of thing they wanna play and at what powerlevel. You've got the sword and sorcery chud who wants to play a more down to earth pulpy fantasy and on the other side you've got people more influenced by depictions of insane supermen from comic books,anime,movies or video games boasting far more impressive feats. The flaw honestly is that more recent dnd editions will throw superhuman insane monsters at you at high levels to fight not through cleverness and with a macguffin and moving around a lot but just straight on from the front and try to gaslight you that the fighter is still just a "mundane" human trust. I don't even hate the concept of levels or gamist stuff or that you'd need magical items I just think the way it's done currently doesn't even pay lip service to the fiction.
Of course, completely mundane fighters can fight supernatural monsters head-on and win with no magic at all, thanks to the supreme power of the divine light of the human soul.
>>98855142>they cannot be wearing armor every moment of the dayNot actually a thing.>impose fatigue penalties on them for wearing full armor around all dayMeaning they don't like your house rules.
>>98855964Sleeping in armor may be in the rules, but not fatigue from wearing it while awake.
>>98855979I'm talking about fantasy roleplaying games, not capeshit powerwank bullshit.
>>98856092>It is assumed I am taking it off before bed. C'mon, man.Then why do these players get pissy when I tell them their Armor Class is reduced when they are attacked during the night?
>>98856419>Dex is so OVERPOWERED>plate armor gives a flat 18 AC in 5e >MAX Dexterity gives a 15 AC at best, or 17 with studded leather at BESTHeavy armor still wins. Strength still wins. There's no Great weapon Master feat for finess weapons.
>>98856974>Not actually a thing.No one in real life or even in fantasy movies wears armor around ALL DAY actually pay attention. Your shitty Goblin Slayer anime doesn't count, because it's stupid cartoon bullshit for children.
>>98857062>>98855142In real life armor is layered and modular. If you were attacked suddenly you'd just don your most accessible armor pieces, probably your helmet, gauntlets, and chest piece. Depending on the era you might also sleep in your gambeson or reach for a shield. So this really shouldn't be a serious issue. You'd travel with your immediate defenses and don your entire kit for battle. Also, most D&D heroes don't care about this and can comfortably wear armor for longer than you or I can. Also also it only costs like 200 gold to add an enchantment to any suit of armor that makes it possible to don it as an action. If you as DM make a deal of this any reasonable party would just have the wizard set them up. Also also also, I play monks.
>>98857052>fantasy roleplaying gamesSo...capeshit powerwank bullshit?t. Capeshit powerwank bullshitter
>>98855142>>remind fighters that they cannot sleep in full plate armor>>remind fighters that they cannot be wearing armor every moment of the day
>>98857062I don’t think children are meant to see all the goblin rape, anon.
>>98855142OP, you better be as fucking anal to your casters and ritually ask if they have the goddamn spell components for their magic and magic has a fucking cost on both mind and soul if abused.
>>98857256Ah, i remember seeing this filename a few month ago. how you doing anon?
I'll sleep in plate armour as much as I like, it really does get comfy when you are used to it and don't have whiny bitch in your ear telling you otherwise
>>98858662I'm not the one who made it. It just feels appropriate to use here because I'm pretty sure strict RAW does not disallow those things.
>>98857330Kids watch gore on LiveLeak these days at age 8, I ran into some squeaker on vidya who told me he'd put me in one of those Chinese factory accident videos he watches. He couldn't have been older than 13. I told him to go tell his mom how hes behaving and calm down. >>98858648>and ritually ask if they have the goddamn spell components for their magicI do. They go to town and I make them pay 10 gp to refresh spell components. If they adventure more than a week out of town then they run out of spell components unless they brought extra. >magic has a fucking cost on both mind and soul if abused.I'm running D&D not Dark Scrolls so idk where this idea is coming from.
>>98858840That’s a cute anecdote, but I don’t think it disproves my point about the goblin rape, anon
>>98857052Failing : Yours.
>>98858840LiveLeak shut down in 2021
>>98856121Because TG has the biggest overlap of ideas. You can join up to create things, talk about world history, rules, culture, and essentially anything in virtue of modeling reality. It's too likely to lead to strong thought.
>>98857062>No one in real life1, If OP is going to talk about real life I hope he applies that same logic to spellcasters.2, You can bitch all you want it's still a rule he's making up. This while thing reads like him being pissed he tried to spring an ambush on the party and didn't WANT anyone to be in armor.
>>98856646>Honestly it all very depends on what kind of game you're running>because the issue is that a lot of people have very,very different views on what kind of thing they wanna play and at what powerlevel.Ah, yes. Absolutely.
>>98860943>If OP is going to talk about real life I hope he applies that same logic to spellcasters.Ok but spellcaster don't exist in real life, and analogously if they walk around with a fire shield spell on all day and kill random people then they will be penalized for that obviously. Stop trying to make everything about your martial-caster oppression Olympics you faggot.
>>98862126>Caster Supremacist backing up OP on oppressing martials>admonishes anons for wanting OP to Oppress CastersTypical
>>98862126>Ok but spellcaster don't exist in real lifeExactly, if martialfags don't get to don armor all day because real life, casterfags shouldn't get to exist either. Stop disproportionately screwing with your players, faggot.
>>98855142Do you give equal treatment to magic armors with high acsDo you make casters have weaker spells for not actively practicing?Do you assume any spell they havnt actively stated to be prepared yet isnt?Do you assume they arnt casting shit unless they do all the components they need for the spell?You should have just said ethier no martials or no casters campaign because currently you're letting casters be mary sues where the hyperbookkeeping your world has for accuracy doesnt apply to them.
>>98855142>Can't sleep in plate mailPeople did so all the time>Can't wear it all the timeWasn't uncommon to do so when in prolonged military engagementsThere are definitely times they wouldn't be wearing armor, like extended down time, hitting up a brothel, going to church, etc. If you are in the wilderness or a dungeon? You better believe they would be wearing armor because that's what people did.
>>98862126>Ok but spellcaster don't exist in real lifeExactly dingus, if he applied his logic equally then there would be no spellcasters would there? And you ignore that it's still a rule he's making up.
How do we prevent the martial/spellcaster divide?
>>98862689Why would you like to prevent it?
>>98860943You have to be vulnerable sometimes as a fighter. >le epic I am always in armor le silent badass sentinel I NEVER take off my armorIs gay as fuck and retarded. Too many characters want to play walking automatons. Play a warforged I guess? Otherwise fuck off. Not trying to kill anyone but obviously your enemy would try to attack at night when the fighter is resting and not in his armor.
>>98862284I literally just said that if casters tried to do stuff that wouldn't make sense (e.g. casting fireball into a tiny room and not expecting blowback) they would have to deal with similar consequences. But you were SO excited to paint me as "le ebil casterfag" (even though on the rare occasion that I play I almost never play spellcasters) that you completely ignored my post. Don't let anyone get in the way of your strawmanning dreams faggot. >>98862314Except magic does exist as a conceit of the setting. Wearing heavy armor all day doesn't. Watch some movies or read some books. Do you see Aragorn in chainmail all day? No, he's in a vest and shirt except when he's armoring up to fight in specific battles. >>98862405You can enjoy dying of severe skin rashes after you shit yourself from wearing your armor for a week straight.
>>98862632If spellcasting existed in real life, it would in no way prescribe that people can wear heavy armor all day long without getting exhausted. Please explain how the existence of spells implies that. Do you think that the fact that there are spells in Harry Potter implies that his fat cousin can suddenly run a marathon?
>>98863657>You can enjoy dying of severe skin rashes after you shit yourself from wearing your armor for a week straight.Better than enjoying a hole in my guts because my gm tricked me into getting ambushed without armor while I sleep.
>>98863664Why should one class be exempt from realism but the other not?
>>98863645>waah waah boo hoo hoo I'm a huge faggotFTFY
>>98862689Depends on a lot of shit and there's a lot of ways, from homogenization, to forced niche protection, to everything in between and around those.
>>98855142>Why are martislcucksI haven't had a single player in 30 years behave the way you describe, so I don't believe it's a general thing. I think you made that up.
>>98856121>Why tf would we have bots trying to make /tg/ of all places less interesting?Well, ya see...You have the mentally-unstable sorts that end up with a grudge over perceived slights when regular anons react towards their fixations in a way they don't appreciate, and then decide to make specific boards their focus of online attrition, like the Indian guy who was caught shilling Solo Leveling on /a/, trying to make talking about fantasy shows like Dungeon Meshi or Frieren more difficult by street-shitting in any thread he could.Then, you have the tumblr, reddit and discord raiders who were trolled back in the day and hate how 4chan has been close to the societal root of the internet despite the growth of more reputable social media, so their efforts are more geared towards astroturfing the board culture and establishing discussion in ways that reflect their own socio-political ideals as a way to get back at them for things that happened in 2009.And finally, there's the /pol/ raiders composed of third-worlders, schitzophrenics and political extremists who convinced themselves that 4chan is a pillar of the noosphere that was able to elect Donald Trump as president, and that by taking control over the boards they will finally be able to buck American hegemony and establish a new multipolar, socialist world order. They actually believe this.There's also the feds from every nation who have decided to waste their time by observing the site, but they've not been relevant ever since they tried to turn Pepe gay, for some reason.>what does this have to do with /tg/?It doesn't. Each of them have their own separate haunts, but each one wants to shit up the entire site for their own insane and petty reason.
>>98855142I don't think this happened at all. I think you just wanted to be inflamatory and antagonistic for no reason and came up with this scenario as an excuse to make a thread to farm (You)s.Reconsider the life you're living.
>>98865784You don't get (You)s when someone replies to your thread, newfag
>>98856121It's not about killing /tg/, it's about tanking the site at large, and you do that by making all the boards suck ass at once.
>>98865782>muh pol!
>>98862689Just don't design it into the game? Obviously?
>>98863645No you don't.
>>98863657No, there are no rules for skin rashes, so that doesn't happen.
>>98870572When did I make an appeal to RAW as the ultimate authority?
>>98871567It is the ultimate authority. You lose.
>>98863657>brings up books>it's lord of the ringsDid you read that in English or has it been translated to whatever brown language you speak?
>>98855142magic isn't real so it's inherently more realistic than anything that a martial does
>>98863657>Wearing heavy armor all day doesn't.Yes it does, because there's no rule against it when the character is awake, there is a rule for sleeping in armor. That means the game is explicitly saying wearing armor all day is fine.
>>98863657>He thinks armor around ass and dick was a thingThey either had segmented bands that could be moved aside or just had hanging chainmail skirt or something equivalentGaudy, elaborate jousting mail was not battle armor. That shit is when weight got ridiculous and full metal crotch was in effect. Full plate was around 40-50 pounds spread out over the whole body with accomodations made for prolonged wear. Fantasy armor is retarded, I will give you that.
>>98855496>what? I want /tg/ more active if anything. Niggerbeardia killed this board.You may want that, but the discord trannies that hate men having fun don't want that.>>98856121You underestimate the pettiness of trannies. One mental illness rarely comes alone.
>>98858840>Kids watch gore on LiveLeak these days at age 8That's cool, but they still shouldn't be doing that and also largely aren't doing that.
>>98857059>just spend 1500 gp at level 1???
>>98878980level 1 lasts a single session in 5e lmao it's not even worth talking about.that's why faggots who start at level 3 prove that they are fucking idiot plebs, skipping over 2 levels that take like one session each.also the game is a powerwank after that because by level 3 you can kill stuff CR 5 to 6, so you can kill anything CR 0-6 which is like 90% of the monsters in the game.
>>98865782This man is correct.>>98869979This man is an autist who was dishonorably discharged.
>>98865476Martialcucks are insanely entitled. They think that they deserve special treatment for choosing to play as a "lesser" class, but instead of asking for magic to be nerfed they instead ask for anime bullshit powers.
>>98855142DMs will do this and then refuse to let you blind a guy with powdered glass, or do called shots because you don't have a specific ability for it.
Damn bro that's crazy, too bad you didn't sign up to play a game that has rules for the things you want to do in the game.
>>98857053Because they personally don't like you as a person and would rather play with someone else, but they have no other option.
>>98886479Yeah, because that's a Fort save that wouldn't have a very high DC and they don't want someone running around True Striking every encounter into the ground.
>>98886479>then refuse to let you blind a guy with powdered glassYeah because then you'd spam it in every encounter. A least a wizard has to use spell slots to blind someone. >called shotsAlways either useless or broken, so there's no chocie involved, just spamming "headshot" for more damage, it basically turns into Power Attack which DnD already has.
>>98855142I spend a whole weekend at the state ren faire every year and never take it off, even sleep in it. It only comes off to wash the arming coat so salty sweat doesn't dry rot it. You're just an ignorant neckbeard larvae who has no business DMing anything but Shaniquas adventure in building her own subway sandwich her way.
>>98869979The /pol/fag is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a redditor, newfag, incel, schizoid, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a /pol/fag and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: "I’ve been found out".
>>98855142>Forcing people to do realistic sleepingI wouldn't want you as a dm. Do you make them have to find area to take piss breals every 3 hours of in-game time too?
>>98892094To be fair, it does have a potential for use in-game if you want to make enemies attack them by surprise when they're making camp and such. D&D 3.5 had rules for it.I think it's fair, as long as you rain on the spellcaster's parade, too. Make it so they don't have their constant beauty sleeps to recover their spells, for example.
>>98892270This just leads to Rope Trick abuse or in 5E Tiny Hut abuse.
>>98892290Tch, I miss when people didn't have access to such convenient spells so easily...
>"NOOOOOOOO GM YOU DONT GET IT YOU HAVE TO LET ME SLEEP IN FULL PLATE ARMOUR MY CHARACTER SHOULDN'T SUFFER ANY PENALTIES FOR IT BECAUSE HE'S USED TO SLEEPING IN ARMOUR HE TRAINED HIMSELF TO BE ABLE TO SLEEP IN ARMOUR BECAUSE HE'S SUCH A BADASS AND HE TOTALLY KNOWS WE'RE LIKE TOTALLY GONNA GET AMBUSHED AT NIGHT EVEN THOUGH WE'RE IN A FUCKING TAVERN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SAFEST CITY IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY BUT LIKE JUST IN CASE HE SLEEPS IN ARMOUR ANYWAY BECAUSE IT TOTALLY MAKES SENSE THAT HE WOULD SLEEP IN HIS ARMOUR WHY THE FUCK WOULDN'T HE SLEEP IN ARMOUR HE ALSO KEEPS HIS SWORD AND SHIELD IN HIS HANDS AND EQUIPPED WHILE HE SLEEPS TOO AND NO BEING ASLEEP DOESN'T MEAN HE LOSES HIS GRIP OR ANYTHING HE TRAINED HIMSELF TO SLEEP THAT WAY STOP NERFING MUH HECKIN FIGHTERINOOOOOOO"
>"We arrive in the city? Splendid. The first thing I do is remove my armour and put it in my horse's saddlebags. I just spent the last 7 hours walking through the forest in this shit, and there's no reason to assume these streets aren't safe enough, and in a worst case scenario, the guards are around and I can handle myself as long as my trusty sword, Esmerelda, stays by my side."
>>98892356>"Yes, my sword is a girl sword. Why would I want to be swinging a man around all day?"
>>98855644Hi ArianneHow's the retirement going?
>>98892345>>98892356I agree. I doubt the GM will be a scrote and put a super-heavy surprise encounter when the party is with their pants down, anyway. At most it'll just be a few lower-level enemies just so people keep their wits about them.Also no reason to believe they'll be attacked on a mundane situation like on a tavern, unless they have assassins hunting them or some shit.
>>98856061>Is my call as the GM actually improving the game?Yes>Are these restrictions interesting or meaningful in the moment?Yes>Or am I acting as some divine bureaucrat, who can only let forms pass with every t crossed and every i dotted?Yes>I know its easy to focus in on a vision that you've had from before the campaign, but did you make it clear to the players that this is what you wanted?Yes>Were they aware before the game started that you would be very particular with armor related encumbrance?Yes>Does this same line of thinking about the practical realities of adventuring effect other classic adventuring archetypes?Yes>Are mages held back by their encumbrance?Yes>Do you count every torch lit and time them from the moment of lighting to the moment they go out?Yes>How much time is spent by characters on simple maintenance of their gear?Enough>Do you have swords rust in their sheathe if they fail to clean and oil them?Depends
This is really just a 5e problem to be honest.Mithril armor counts as one category lighter than its base category on top of being way lighter and having higher dex bonus cap, so 90% of the time you could just wear a mithril breastplate for better protection than regular full-plate which let you keep your 30 feet of movement (extremely important for most characters) instead of being stuck at 20 in heavy armor's movement penalty, and the Armor Check Penalty is only -1 instead of -6 so you have basically zero issue sneaking and swimming and climbing etc. in it, and of course it can be worn like regular clothing 24/7 so your murderhobo ass only needs to take it off when bathing. In 5e there's basically no player-facing gear economy whatsoever and special materials largely don't exist outside of magic items, you can't just pay to have a non-magical mundane set of masterwork mithril armor (or for the Druid who can't wear metal, get Dragon hide or Ironwood armor instead) and armor has been heavily shrimplified so there's strictly better upgrades without trade-offs in armor check penalty, dex bonus, and movement penalties so even a dexfag archer fighter is taxed 1500 go to wear full plate as his only option
sure are a lot of uppity playoids ITT
>>98865289Because magic
>>98886449This desu.
>>98886449what martialcucks are you seeingi see more requests to nerf magic than i see requests for weeaboo fightan magic
>>98892345Exactly this. Also completely removed the point of a nighttime ambush against the party. And you can still wear padded armor. In fact I buff it to be as good as leather in my games.
armor?
>>98891457Attempting to blind someone can be balanced without costing resources.
>>98891457Neither useless nor broken.
>>98892069>muh pol!
>>98892345>>98892356Who are you quoting?
>>98900745What are you talking about? There's still a point to ambushing the party.
>>98892345>HE TRAINED HIMSELF TO BE ABLE TO SLEEP IN ARMOURI've played systems that actually do have this as a character building option. Seems weird that 5e doesn't.
>>98904777I know its hard for people here to imagine but when you are physically fit you can sleep in any circumstances. Sleeping in armor is a comically trivial thing for anyone who isn't diabetic.
>>98904777>Seems weird that 5e doesn't.it doesn't specify whether or not you can wear armor while restingif your GM fucked you on that, it was entirely his whim/assumption
