Thoughts on retrofuturism?
>>98846598More kino than actual futurism, so I'm all for it.
>>98846598I think the drinks in that picture are overpriced.
>>98846603There's something about the hyper optimistic, space age vision of the future that people had during the 50s and 60s that's so interesting to me and I don't know why.
>>98846621Well today we are just waiting to see if AI ushers in a new golden age or dark age.
>>98846610Top kek.
>>98846598>Thoughts on that retrofuturism The perspective in that image is really wonky at the the taller building in the middle and adjacent. I think its more about the middle being wrong making everything else looks weird but the plane in blue seems off too like the distinction to make it elevated or at the roof height of the pale buildings didn't work right. >retrofuterism in general Some bits and pieces are fun as art but I like it more as part of a backdrop that has been changed due to the idealism that went with the concepts not working out as planned or encountering other places that are not so nice rather than just homage to the aesthetics. Doesn't have to be grimdark everything's fucked everything sucks but if its just >what if startrek happened? levels of optimism it doesn't do much for me.
>>98846598Makes for a great setting.
https://youtu.be/UEm-09B0px8?t=573Epcot is or the idea of it at least is cool.
>>98846598Love it. Wish there were more attempts to recreate it that didn't fall under 80s or 90s futurism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTq6Tofmo7E
>>98846598It's fine. And you have different eras of it to choose from.
>>98847094You can tell it's science fiction because there's a female astronaut. Kek J/K Canada's first female astronaut came from my hometown.
O'Neill cylinders always fascinated me in gundam. And now that im thinking about it could be good as a setting somehow
>>98846703Anyone with an iq over 90 knows AI will just usher in an unending police state
>>98847566But they are so inefficient. Hamilton cylinders make sense.
>>98847572A solar flare could take it all down in an instant. Start hoping one happens.
>>98846598>Thoughts on retrofuturism?It is a relic from a different era where things seem more hopeful if the popular art pieces are anything to go by.With that said I think retrofuturism went into a "old is new again" but the "old and still gold" kind of thing. I like it. Especially "cassette futurism" as it is called.
>>98847572would be kinda cool though if we lived in a world where everything was centrally planned by a hyper-intelligent AI that mathematically planned out your life from birth to ensure maximum happiness.
>>98847566A new home for mankind, where people are born and raised... and die.
>>98847648That sounds horrific. When you think about it though comparing it to Brave New World the only people who weren't happy were the ones where they had defects in their gestation.
>>98847220Whenever I see this I think of the wasted potential and I am sad.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjp1nrdfs0g
>>98847220>>98847748The Soviets had some really amazing artwork.
>>98846598I think when it right, you can make a great world/style with it. Though you need to know what you're doing and not just copy and paste things. Though the people who can pull off mixing the different styles from Raypunk, Nasapunk, Cyberpunk, Terminalpunk, Atompunk, etc where they don't feel like someone just throwing shit together but more of different cultures and ideas can look really good.
>>98846598for me it's cassette futurism
>>98848468So more Formicapunk or CassettePunk? From the pic you look like a Formicapunk lover.
>>98847748This deserves a parody in the crushingly-melancholic end-of-USSR style, all about wasted potential and failed dreams, featuring the current state of Buran shuttle front and center.
>>98847220https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzMkqTc95hQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfF2x_geb-Y
These kinds of futurist settings are always pretty idyllic, how do you create conflict that's actually intriguing for the players? Immediate first thoughts: >it's only idyllic in aesthetic, fucked up corporate meddling is going on all around you>conflict is light and low-stakes, more of a fun romp than anything else>idyllic setting is your "home region", which comes into conflict with a much darker civilisation from across the pond/outer space
Amusingly, Jules Verne created a cyberpunk story all the way back to the 19th century. His editor said him "No one will believe your prophecy today" and rejected it because it was bleak, dystopian future driven by commerce, technology, and the death of art, which totally clashed with the optimistic, adventurous tone of their partnership. It's called Paris in the 20th century. Verne managed to eerily anticipate several hallmarks of modern and cyberpunk societies long before electricity was even common. It was rediscovered in 1994.
>>98848631It's only idyllic because the people who can't live in a sufficiently orderly manner to maintain it are kept out, forced to leave, or killed.Congratulations you now have all the angst, stakes, and conflict of human existence to work thorough.
>>98846598Love it. For some reason I am a massive sucker for sci fi versions of old things. Give me laser swords and coilgun crossbows and Treasure Planet ships oh God I'm getting hard just talking about it.
>>98848631Killer ayys show up and raid unpredictably
>>98848740Isn't this what happens in ∀ Gundam? (I've only seen the first few episodes)
>>98848747Couldn't tell you, I'm more of a classic sci fi novel guy than a cartoon watcher
>>98848492what's the difference?
>>98848791Formicapunk is like 50-70s scifi Think classic Star Trek, The Jetsons, etc. Often oversized computers with tape drives. Where Cassettepunk is more late 70's and 80's scifi Think Cowboy Bebop, Aliens, etc. Where Computers are smaller but the classic box computers, often very run down, floppy and hard disks, everything needs to be plugged in.
>>98848835I would not describe Star Trek TOS or The Jetsons as "punk" by any metric.
>>98848856Yeah, the term "punk" as it relates to settings' aesthetics has completely lost all meaning. I would call the jetson "60s retrofuturist", and I don't think it needs to be any more granular than that.
>>98848860I mean, I agree but at the same time the "X" punk kind of took over saying 60's futurist or 80's futurist.
>>98848860Well, fair.>>98848881It's true but I hate it. Words have meanings!
>>98848881There's gotta be a better term than "punk" though, surely. There's "-core", but I think that sounds dumb, we should come up with a new term.
>>98847397I can tell it's actually fantasy, because they're clearly not on Earth and not on Earth's moon.
>>98848699It sounds like you just really love fantasy.
>>98846598>Another nothingburger aesthetics thread to pretend this board isn't a total zombieName 5 games that use this as a setting.And I will preemptively say Traveller, so you can't even list that
>>98848996oh fuck off, won't you?
>>98848631In my setting, the capital world of humanity is modeled after the kind of optimistic SF style (not exactly the kind of 1950s retrofuturistic aesthetic, but thematically similar idea), with other colonies having their own thing, so you also have relatively low-tech frontier colonies where settlers have to struggle against the local environment, corporate-controlled planets with cyberpunk stuff going on, and so on. And on a large scale, there are alien civilizations, some of which are hostile and seek to conquer humanity.
>>98849052Do you run games in each colony separately, or is travel between colonies an important factor? I feel like being able to travel and compare/contrast two different environments can accentuate the themes of each.
>>98848893Go ahead. I agree we need one but till someone comes with one. "X"punk is going to be the easy go-to term for most of it. Blame Cyberpunk and Steampunk for it being a thing.
>>98848996Star Wars d20Alien rpgStarfinderOrbital bluesTales of the solar patrolAnyway I keep seeing you posting shit like this doomer-kun, please kindly fuck off or do something constructive instead
>>98848996Star Trek Adventures. TOS is the peak of retrofuturism to me.
>>98849085>or do something constructive insteadIronic, given this thread exists to masturbate to aesthetics, and not, you know, games
>>98849085Honor + Intrigue has a Sword + Planet build with its Tome of Intriguing Options, too. pic unrelated
>>98849072Travel between colonies would kind of be the point, since having them based on different SF tropes naturally leads to a "planet of the week" style of game.
>>98849200Yeah, if you look at media that people reference a lot when wanting to run these games - Star Wars, Outlaw Star, Cowboy Bebop - there's a clear favoritism for episodic content with heavy theming.>>98849072Travel in space games is something you wanna either entirely handwave or give some considerable thought to, since it butts up against the same problems as "players have a ship" in fantasy games.
>>98848747They're actually not aliens. The deal is that there was an apocalyptic war over 2000 years ago and the colonists on the Moon have been waiting for Earth's environment to recover so they can resettle it.
>>98848631Cold war between the 'old money' inner planets, the 'new money' and militant authoritarian Jovian-Saturnian Axis, and the Mars/Belter alliance who are trying to play both for more profit and freedom.The outer planet colonies are all weird and too hard for anyone to really want to bother putting a firm thumb on as long as they stay out of solar affairs, which of course they don't.Planet Nine out in the Inner Oort Cloud is not, in fact, part of the original solar system.
>>98849076Steampunk was the one of the first to start using punk as a replacement for the word themed. Cyberpunk has the roots of punk anti-establishment.
>>98848631Bond with your sister/wife/girlfriend/mother/in-law and watch some of her shows with her.The vast majority of female shows take place in post scarcity settings with conflicts being immediate rather than systemic.Case in point: Hospital procedurals.Chad Steadyhands and his sidekicks Nurse Chungus and Hank McSkeptic aren't half destitute alcoholics constantly worrying about paying back their student loans and thinking about suicide because private equity bought their hospital, they drive nice cars, listen to good music and rape cancer with a hot poker.Your players might run a hospital ship, or audit corruption ("WE are the reason this society works" is an underrated power fantasy) or travel to the far corners of the realm to get a read on what is actually being done.Ironically enough Dark Heresy would be a shockingly useful template because it emphasizes the idea that evil can lurk on even the tiniest crevices and take absurdly specific shapes.In an idyllic setting you actually have an even easier time because the troublemakers are not a product of a broken system so much as just genuinely bad at being told no.
>>98849284Quality post award.
>HOLY ASTEROIDS! IT'S A GIANT SPACE RABBIT!
>>98849284Very good post. Cop dramas, hospital procedurals, wealthy family intrigues - they're all Star Trek shaped if you look at them at the right angle.
>>98846598retrofuturism as in the future envisioned by the 60s or as in high sci fi larping as cavemen
>>98849417Similarly, old western series work for that. Star Trek was somewhat disingenuously sold as 'Wagon Train to the Stars,' but you can actually rip plots from that.
>>98849417>>98849284Wait is that why women like Star Trek so much?
>>98849381>Just shut your stupid bald mouth holyshit it can hear us look at its ears.
>>98849163>he did as you demanded and listed 5 games>you're still melting downGood to know it was never about games, since you don't play any.
>>98847786Maybe that's why there are so many communists think they'll be allowed to be artists for the state instead of just rock-breakers.
>>98849493>retrofuturism as in the future envisioned by the 60sYeah, this.>or as in high sci fi larping as cavemenWhat?
>>98846598It's extremely niche. Neat to look at. Not something I'd dedicate any considerable time to gaming with the asthetic.
>>98851038I might be phrasing it wrong. I mean like high technology with the aesthetics of ancient peoples. Like they've got a colloseum and chariot races but the horses are robots.
>>98851233Oh, okay, I see what you mean. I think that aesthetic is called roman futurism but I'm not sure.
>>98848631Pull a Star Trek with it: not everyone got the message and is actively hostile to a paradise where their flawed ideology isn't in control.
>>98850365Western artists dismiss socialist realism as "Girl meets tractor", because they themselves don't want to meet neither girls nor tractors.
>>98850365Nah, it was they were brownshirts and useful idiots. Thinking they would be given the free money to make "art" or "music" for helping trick the people into drinking the kool-aid and then locked up right next to the people fighting to stop the commies once the marxists take over. It's a tale as old as time. One or two might be kept around, but they won't be living in a penthouse making art or music but breaking rocks if they're lucky and feeding worms if they're not.
>>98852424Trvke
It really goes to show how creative and original people used to be in their ideas. You can just search "space age" on eBay and see how intriguing and varied simple furniture and appliances used to be. Nowadays everything is a bland sterile derivative of every other product on the market.
>>98853419I used to call that phenomenon "Apple" or "ipod" futurism.
>>98849076No, blame writers for being lazy and simply adding punk to something because it sounds cool; it doesn't. In Cyberpunk it has a meaning, in everything else it's just trying to cash in on the coolness of the word punk in something, yet missing everything that punk and Cyberpunk means. It's lazy.
>>98852424Socialist artists like to draw pretty girls and thriving crops because socialists need to see them somewhere other than on western tv.
I like it!
>>98846598It's just sad now because the future we got is extremely shitty.
I love when magic in these settings is literally just [insert weird funky physics here] which can be literally anything
>>98855756The future is incredibly dirty cyberpunk with soulless slop. Not the good kind of cyberpunk. Sort of like how irl steampunk was just dirty ass Westernism.
>>98853547Pretty much. I knew people who fled the USSR and other commie nations and where shocked how our stores were. All the different brands the different fresh fruits. As where they were from you can only get local stuff in season and they were told that supermarkets and dishes they saw in movies, shows, etc was just Hollywood propaganda. Hell, I knew people who came from Europe who thought that too. (Hell, the World Cup had people freaking out about how true Hollywood was about American culture. Plus they fell in love with the food.)
>>98857010>(Hell, the World Cup had people freaking out about how true Hollywood was about American culture. Plus they fell in love with the food.)So you understand USSR propaganda but didn't realise that this was just USA propaganda?
>>98857016I think he means that people assume that it is "we have tons of food to hide the famines" style propaganda.
Is Stålenhag's stuff too recent for this thread? The art is basically 80's futurism from the viewpoint of a child in 80's Sweden.I haven't played the ttrpg, though I hear it's playable.>>98849284This is a good take in general for running rpgs with characters that aren't defined by their capacity for violence.
>>98857080One more since there aren't any robots on that cover.
>>98857016..................Nigga, I lived in one of the host cities, and talked to the tourists. They actually believe that shit wasn't true. From the yellow buses, the Walmarts, all the different fast foods, etc. Plus I visited them and they asked me about my home and I tell them it's fucking true. The American flag shirts with the gun on the hip, red solo cups for house parties, etc.
>>98852424All the West does is apologize to the Soviet Union. This phenomenon of "anthropologizing" Western phobia of the USSR is one of those cosmic tautologies that end up boring you of seeking any explanation.But I suppose the way socialists ubermenschize/sexualize themselves makes sense given the way in which capitalism and socialism firmly complement into each other as a political 69.
He really thought he had something there.Lolbergs continue to be lolcows.
>>98857694thinking you had something there is all you are about. projection of nothing other than what you are is its only product.
>>98848996aesthetics are important
>>98847572Police state is meaningless. Just go to literally any small town and there you have it. There'll be tons of trigger happy cops who run the place, corrupt politicians and grannies judging everything you do. Every aspect of your life will be monitored if you don't have the anonymity of a proper city or innawoods hellhole.
>>98858333Nah. a "Police state" is when you look in your rear view mirror and see a cop car behind you, and instead of merely thinking "oh, it's a cop out on patrol," your sphincter tightens and you begin to panic about what could happen to you if he decides to pull you over for some reason. That's how you know if you're in a police state, when you know in your gut that the police are not there to help, but will instead make everything worse, and that it probably doesn't matter if you didn't do anything wrong, because the machine they work for will grind you up and by the time it spits you out, you're fucked anyway
>>98860849Well this is exactly how I've felt my entire life, exceot I don't think anyone gets killed by cops. It's just that part of their job is to fine people and the laws are designed so that you're always breaking the law just by existing.
>>98860901Yeah, that is the deal. It wasn't always that way, there was a time when police were hired directly by a community, paid by the townsfolks, and were answerable to that community. But that didn't work out too well, sometimes those cops would defend the townsfolk who hired them against, say, the mine owner's strike-breaking Pinkerton goons, so something more bureaucratic and disconnected from the public good had to be engineered, to ensure the police picked the right side
>>98846598Too broad a term. Every decade a new flavor of futurism starts to fit. Sometimes you get do scifi with a super retro vibe, but often retrofuturism is dated enough you pull it out for space fantasy.
>>98847566it always bothers me how close together those two planets are.
>>98846621>hyper optimisticspecifically how genuine it was, this was a new vista and they wanted to explore it
>>98858333Fun fact, when I was a cop in a big city people thought they were anonymous right up until the stop search revealed their warning markers. The interesting thing about the majority of street level criminals is that they'll usually do something that'll throw that anonymity away. I once stop searched a kid who jumped a railway barrier (i.e. didn't pay a £3.50 ticket) he had four kilos of weed and £300 in his backpack so he got nicked for PWITS.>>98860849Nothing to hide, nothing to fear citizen.
>>98862546>Nothing to hide, nothing to fear citizen.It's cute that you think that
>>98862568It's a meme, moron.
>>98860931I've watched Matewan last month so I know exactly what you're talking about. Their sheriff was the ballsiest man in the film. No wonder that chapter of American history is being skipped over by the system, it's coming back. I've read some books about history of labor movements in the UK and France for college, but nothing about America, I've first heard of their story in Kaiserreich mod for Darkest Hour game. I am disappointed by the current state of affairs. Back in the 20s people had manly man jobs (such as miners taking over a specific mine to disrupt the economy) and everyone today is either a construction worker, warehouse worker or a delivery guy, working with strangers from all over the world who are now rich by 3rd world standards even though they're extremely underpaid same as you. What if some union guys take over a warehouse today? It's worthless on its own and there are hundreds of them across the world, they can't use it. It's only the matter of time before bigshots like Jeff Bezos start using combat drones to zap disobedient workers into submission. >>98862546Well, that was a deviant. They give themselves away by acting in non-standard behaviour. I understand UK's cities are a giant zoo, but let's face it. Most people who get fined don't get fined thanks to acting in a deviant way, rather they get fimed for highly illegal modifications to their property, vehicles, border disputes, waste management, and occasionally for speeding. I live in a place where there's next to no violent crime (every single case gets on TV especially if the perp flees) and all cops have to do is to squeeze extra money from the populace. I remember some detective bothering me trying to snitch on some neighbor. Last year my father got taken by a cop to go witness a domestic violence intervention or another neighbor. Policemen are such a nuisance you should avoid them at all times.
>>98862546Drug market pretty much works like an idealized meritocracy.I.eEveryone intelligent moves off the street within 5 - 10 months.The high level guys are just boring white collar dudes with guns.What gets people caught is thinking crime is a cheat code rather than just a job.On that note it's funny how many front businesses are actually the result of someone who wants to own that type of business propping up something they're passionate about with drug money.
>>98862584Right, I should have caught that, but I'm all strung out on drugs (prescription)
>>98846598Imagine if Disney didn't die from lung cancer.
>>98848631Gernsback-style golden-age science fiction, which often inspires this kind of esthetic, is full of conflicts of all sorts.You can get:>Encounter with a weird and dangerous alien life form/ artefact>Spaceship accident>Natural catastrophe but in space/on an alien planet>New invention goes wrong>Conflict with an empire of alien/human totalitarian fanatic bad guys>The occasional megalomaniac mad scientistHome being idyllic doesn't mean there's no untamed frontiers around it and it only makes it more worth protecting.
>>98848893>>98848890>>98848881>>98848860The word you are looking for is "Raygun gothic" https://aesthetics.fandom.com/wiki/Raygun_Gothic
>>98846598>Thoughts on retrofuturism?IS COFFEE GOOD FOR YOU?
>>98846621>>98847566The funny thing is, Gerard O'Neill's book could be considered the last genuine attempt at optimist futures/science-fictions. THIS TIME, this particular technology will bring us utopia. Though O'neill remarked that it wasn't an utopia and it was attainable. Sure Gerard, sure.3 years later, Gundam comes out. Hidden among the marketable mechas and the explosions, Tomino included a message about space colonies bringing more colonialism and imperialism. With billions of dead, Nazi Germany IN SPACE! and catastrophic environmental disasters. I bet Fukui (Gundam Unicorn's writer) still hasn't understood it.
I like 90s VCR black plastic gadget neon light retrofuturism. Unfortunately I have no examples to post.
>>98863497You have to remember that Tomino was a little kid in Hiroshima during WW2. He survived by sheer chance. And then he lived to see the same technology become an energy source and medicine. Obviously he was gonna have mixed feelings about tech.
>>98863486not in the future
>>98863694That doesn't make he wrong. O'neill's vision didn't include ways to stop human nature from turning good intentions into a road to hell. The problem isn't tech, it's people. The solution is also people, but there are many more ways to screw up than to find a somewhat optimal solution./Tg/ talks about "solarpunk" from time to time. O'neill's vision was similar to that aesthetic. Everything powered by the sun, only people on foot and bicycles inside his colonies.
>>98847648Somebody stab this man in the groin with a dirty knife, and twist it.
Everyone with a soul and an unclouded mind knows that fantasy is actually real while science fiction is just childish make-believe that's fun to think about, but will never actually happen. Right now we're living in the very early stages of technology actively making life worse in every way, but that wasn't really apparent in the 20th century, which is why all good science fiction will always be grounded in the 50s or 80s or any recent decades.
>>98847648>he thinks it’s going to be used in order to maximize happiness.>it will actually be used to maximize dissatisfaction in order to make humans into desperate hyperconsumers and corporate slaves.
>>98866245Depends; fantasy can be "spiritually true", because it emerges from the unconscious, and the cultural and mythological motifs of mankind.Scifi generally only approaches that level of "true fiction" when it is at it's most pessimistic.The foundational works of cyberpunk for instance, are less "How cool the future is" and more "Look what you are doing to yourselves, you retarded faggots".Can you tell I was never a Trekkie?
>>98866245>>98866302The impression I'm getting is that you two have never read any real science fiction
>>98866510Apparently not, and I'm not a true Scotsman either.
>>98863694How about this?
>>98866245>fantasy is actually realElaborate.
>>98874576NTA but according to Peter S. Beagle things like Unicorns, dragons, and Robin Hood are real entities and we're all just shadows in plato's cave. Not sure I want to support what that anon is saying though, he sounds like he'd tell me not to go to school tomorrow.
>>98867079let's try "any" then and see what you have for that category.
Fantasy are just carefully picked up and tailored oral tales that survived from old men living in cabins deep in he woods. They were fragmented, repetitive, morally ambiguous, and highly localized. Then picked up by learned scholars, edited for mass consumption and to make them make narrative sense.
>>98869659Would have call cassette futurism Terminalpunk or NASApunk but mostly yeah.
>>98866245>>98875170Fuck this fake deep nonsense. Just because you think you have some "enlightened" idea you want to share to doesn't mean you can claimed well defined words mean something other than what any dictionary or english lit professor will tell you. Fantasy is by definition the unrealistic. Fantasy fiction is defined by what is viewed as impossible, magical, or supernatural, outside the scope of current scientific possibility. and no >>98875170 you're describing folklore. You're drowning it in word salad but you're describing folklore. Fantasy fiction is intentionally fictional work while folklore serves other storytelling purposes or is actually believed. A carveout about what is "possible" is science fiction which is about speculative and imagined science, ideas currently not known to be possible or seemingly impossible, but with speculation on how they might be, or as is more often the case in the genre, speculation on the effect the existence of that fictional thing would have on society, culture, etc. Most science fiction literature falls into the camps of either "what if this thing existed how would it work" or "if this thing existed/were true then how would that impact society". Which in a technical sense makes it more like philosophical thought experiments than anything scientific.
>>98876305no, the best science fiction is about ideas that we know are at least theoretically possible, they just weren't ever done in a way the story speculates about
>>98876372You're ignoring what theoretically possible means. You're ignoring the theoretical part. >they just weren't ever done in a way the story speculates aboutthere is speculative fiction/science fiction that proposes things being done in an alternative way to how they are or have been done, but that's not central to the genre. That's very much more on the speculative side than the science side. You get that with a lot of fiction about cultural or socio-political ideas. "what if communism won the cold war" or "what if everyone was blue, would racism end?" These get put in the same category as scifi most of the time. Especially things like "what if we met aliens, how would we react and how would that impact society?"Then you can have things between that and scifi "what if we had a pill that replaced sleep" a fictional technology used to explore the societal impact of no longer needing sleep. And then the easy mark on the science end of the spectrum "what if we had FTL, how would we make use of that?" The best scifi usually hits this middle ground on the spectrum. It explores the psychological or social impact of a fictional technology but doesn't go too far into just how the things works because it's not about that.And after all of that you then have the much much smaller category of scifi that more specifically explores how a technology might theoretically work. "If we just had the one missing part in this theory to make it plausible, here are some characters making use of that knowledge to build, produce, market, sell, and use this thing."
>>98876404i think you misunderstood what i meant by theoretically possible, when science fiction is about "speculative" ideas that aren't possible based on any relatively serious theory, such as psychic powers, it's actually fantasy and doesn't deserve to be called science fiction
>>98876477I think you didn't read a goddamn word I wrote because then you'd know why that's not fantasy, what speculative actually refers to, and what theoretical actually means in this context. Go read some goddamn scifi instead of vaguely referring to "the best" of it without seeming to know what any of it is like.
>>98876477Yes that's called 'science fantasy'. >>98876484>>98876404Also though you shouldn't feed the troll.
>>98876484i'm the one who used theoretically first so i get to decide what i meant
>>98847648What if the planning computer decides your stuff needs to be confiscated for the 'greater good'. I'm sure a bootlicking freak like you would gladly submit but what happens when people fight back?
>>98869659dat gap between the 1990s and 2010s tho...
>>98874576I meant what I wrote. I believe in the Holy Bible, and the truths found myth, legend, and folklore. Fantasy happened, while science fiction often uses impossible technologies that will never happen like FTL.
>>98876960I'll let einstein know he has to call his relativity thing something else.
>>98877131There is nothing more retardedly fake than a tradcath. At least the old ladies who told me pokemon was satanic actually believed their shit.
>>98876894Science fantasy is a neogenre of what used to just be popular sci-fi.Hard scififags can't handle anything else being called scifi because they are autistic
>>98877810>Am I autistic?>No it is the hard-scififags who are wrong!
>>98877810or maybe they want to be able to talk about hard scifi and people randomly calling other things hard scifi makes that impossible
>>98877810nah they're using science fantasy correctly there. Science fantasy is the science in a fantasy. Like if you have a mad scientist who makes a big metal box that says "weather machine" and he gets beat up by a satirical saturday morning superhero, I would not that setting scifi. But that weather machine is science fantasy. That other anon was the hardscifi autism fag trying to say what isn't "real scifi". But the whole problem in the end is that scifi is a genre not the aesthetics. You can have psychics in scifi, but psychics can also be fantasy. Scifi is about what the story is doing. >>98877871the truth you pick up the more you get into scifi is that hard scifi doesn't exist and everyone talking about it is full of shit. They'll tell you to your face that Trek is hard scifi because they heard the warp drive has scientific theory behind it, but you know they don't know trek beyond that, because it's corny pulpy space fantasy half the time and half the science is nonsense fake technobabble. And that's what makes it great. But they don't know. They just heard about the warp drive.
>>98877852>>98877871If you call something like Star Trek HARD scifi, you're an idiot.But autistically correcting people that it's science fantasy, when everyone has called it or similar works just scifi or SOFT scifi for decades... That is also retarded.Just be normal anon. I know it's hard
>>98877922everyone knows star trek is softer than star wars, that doesn't mean actual hard sci fi doesn't exist,
>>98877871What examples of hard scifi do you mean as a baseline?
>>98877944a decent example would be a story where someone travels to mars with current day technology
>>98877940>everyone knowsand yet, it's the one they always bring up. Because they're asked for an example and only know pop culture stuff.But the fallacy is that the concept of hard scifi is based on not understanding what scifi is, and thinking it's actually about the science. It doesn't exist because scifi is about the speculation.
>>98877955i don't care about your problems with someone else, and there is no fallacy because hard scifi exists just fine when you go looking for it
>>98877954What's it called and who wrote it?
>>98877960>it still exists!where?Over in here >>98877954 in vagueland? Where there is one but only one example (just say the martian), but the science isn't as real and hard as it pretends? Be more specific. Being unable to specifically name an exact example of hard scifi is extremely ironic.
>>98877970i don't want to talk about specific examples because this isn't a specific topic, the fact that there is such a thing as currently understood body of science already points you towards the inevitable conclusion that fiction based on that body is possible
>>98877975>i don't want to talk about specific examples because this isn't a specific topichard scifi, a concept defined by the specific level of realistic plausibility of the science, is not a specific topic? >the fact that there is such a thing as currently understood body of science already points you towards the inevitable conclusion that fiction based on that body is possibleTrue. But that makes the concept of hard scifi just an arbitrary line in the sand.
>>98877984>True. But that makes the concept of hard scifi just an arbitrary line in the sand.the fact that it's like any other genre doesn't mean the land in the sand doesn't exist
lmao you can't even come up with an example of your category.
>>98877989but hard scifi isn't a genre. When you ask anyone actually into science fiction books they talk about the speculative nature of it. when you ask someone to define hard scifi they either say something basic and mainstream (revealing they don't know much scifi) or they dodge the question like you're doing now. Because it's a fake term for people with only a passing interest in the genre because drawing an arbitrary line in the sand makes them feel self-important.
>>98878028i don't want to talk about specific works because i expect that you'll just start to quibble about whether the science in them was entirely within the bounds of what was considered plausible at the time it was written or not, holding the genre to an infinitely higher standard than just the simple intent it's actually based onif you want examples of it, you can easily just read the wikipedia page or something
>>98878044>i don't want to talk about specific works because i expect that you'll just start to quibble about whether the science in them was entirely within the bounds of what was considered plausibleYes.Because. That's.The. Point.I already explained why it's a bullshit non-genre in a broader sense, in a narrow sense, and in a specific sense. I made it very clear that it is such bullshit that defining it is like those videos of racoons trying to wash cotton candy. Any example you give is easily unraveled because it is, as I said three times already:An arbitrary line in the sand.
>>98878059your narrative is false because no other genre is held to similar standards
>>98878071No other genre has similar standards because hard scifi is a false standard. It conflicts with the base definition of science fiction. By insisting on it you are insisting on a standard you can't define. you retarded poser troll.
>>98878084>It conflicts with the base definition of science fiction.no it doesn't>By insisting on it you are insisting on a standard you can't define. i defined it earlier and, unless you're a schizo who picked up this covnersation from someone else without indicating it, you even agreed with it
>>98877131>I believe in the Holy BibleSo you seriously believe that a flood once killed everything on earth besides one guy, his family and the two of every animal he got onto a boat he built himself?
>>98878345he's a fake tradcath idiot. He hasn't even read the bible and probably wasn't even raised going to church. Anyone who grew up in a religious background can tell instantly how phony they talk. He hasn't once cracked up a bible or been to church, he just larps at having converted so he can shitpost on the internet. It's more obnoxious than actual religious people, something I used to think was impossible.
>>98877131Go back to /pol/, or worse, /his/. Nobody talks like this.
>>98849284>("WE are the reason this society works" is an underrated power fantasy)Holy crap, now I want to hack Dogs in the Vineyard into this kind of story. People have already used it for wandering Jedi problem-solvers in the Old Republic era, so in theory it should work just fine.
>>98869659Are there any games with a raypunk aesthetic?>>988771052000's-2010's is applepunk. Think of Wall-E or the Star Trek reboot movies.
>>98883358>Are there any games with a raypunk aesthetic?There's the "Tales of the Solar Patrol" setting for GURPS.
>>98883358Planet of the Week. There was another pbta I think called Dungeon Planet or something like that with similar aesthetics. There's a Flash Gordon Savage Worlds one too.
>>98883358Some of the TSR Buck Rogers in the 25th Century stuff too, there was a board game and an rpg. Some of it ends up looking more like what that image is calling diesel or atom but the aesthetics aren't as clear cut as autism wants sometimes.
>>98883516Is it really only 35 cents?
>>98883713Its pay what you want so that's up to you I suppose.One does wonder how many people did enter $0.35 to be funny though and I should have thought of that.
Soviet retrofuturism is gigakino. They didn't have the optimism of western writers at the time so everything is just shitty enough to feel real.
>>98849284This really explains why effete men, Star Trek and women are all so boring.
>>98852003>not everyone got the message and is actively hostile to a paradise where their flawed ideology isn't in control.christian and/or marxist detected
>>98886200you're saying that in response to a star trek post?
>>98848666When you say it that way, it just becomes Cyberpunk with a shifted scope.https://youtu.be/7NlKEE_W9WE?si=KHE6tr9re6-OJ-Up
>>98878345I'd believe the flood a lot sooner than I'd believe j*ws were divinely appointed by the creator of the cosmos to subjugate the gentiles.nta obviously
>>98890066Nobody understands why they're the "chosen people". It's because if a race so greedy, venal and cruel can still be worthy of God's love, nobody in the world should feel unworthy of seeking a relationship with Him.
>>98890082>retarded evangelical revisionismthe reason is because everyone is the hero of their own story. They made up their god, said he likes them more. They're not unique in having done that. Every ancient culture thinks they're they center of the universe. Everyone thinks the flood that destroyed the small river valley that was their whole world was a world-wide flood.
>>98846598>>98848468I like all types, but cassette futurism is my favorite by far
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