>most ubiquitous die >defacto no good engines for itWhy?Why does it filter designers so hard?
Im trying to make a d6 system myself and one of the hurdles is that results can be very swingy which makes it difficult to design around
>>98826372These spam threads are so bizarre lately. I am starting to think they are made so insulting by design and not at random, just to shit on real visitors.
>>98826372OpenD6 calls you a faggot.
>>98826419Don't do the exploding die meme. Resist.
>>98826372GURPs
>>98826372There are good systems for it, just that the D6 is so common that there are more bad then good systems.>>98826685This, exploding dice is a meme. It's worse then criticals because it can keep going up and up, and if you put a cap on how many times a die can explode that is defeating the point of it. Exploding dice are good however to see how out of control a situation can get.
>>98826710>Exploding dice are good however to see how out of control a situation can get.So you're saying it's useful for a system about skaters fighting demons.
>>98826772If you want hype moments, sure. Just expect your system to be broken time to time
>>98826372https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T44LuxdH0iwhere's your game, now feck off
>>98826435These always pop up when a bunch of p*ck** threads are on page 10 so I'm guessing it's a strategy of fighting spam with spam
GurpsHero SystemAGEYear Zero EngineTraveller/CepheusUbiquityBarbarians of LemuriaTunnels and TrollsEvery Forged in the DarkEvery PbtA
>>98826979>GurpsFair enough.>Hero SystemMeme.>AGEMeme.>Year Zero EngineWho>Traveller/CepheusFair enough.>UbiquityWho >Barbarians of LemuriaWho>Tunnels and TrollsEeeeh >Every Forged in the DarkTerrible >Every PbtATerrible
>>98826372Make a system for it, then, since you think it's so easy.
>>98826419have you tried using more than one die for a roll
>>98826435>>98826951Mining the Chans was the sop manual for making 4chan in general such garbage it wouldn't feel threatening. This was 5 years ago. Some of it will be bots, some of it will be politically motivated shitheads who think all nerds are some sort of chud. Some of it will be garden variety trolls or barely well intentioned idiots who failed janitor applications.
>>98827383>out of context screenshot
>>98827383That XKCD comic about how we could be killed wasn't far off the mark. They just got the fandom wrong.
>>98826372>stats go from 1 to 5>roll (equal or) under system>if 6, roll again, if 6 again, critical failure, everything else is normal failureliterally all you need btw
>>98828209>bot can't contextualize discussions of spam lol >>98828306>looks it up huh not bad
>>98826372It doesn’t support the consumerist dice set obsession that hooks tourists. Most wargames just use d6s because it’s obviously more sensible.>>988264193d6 is just a straight up superior version of d20, especially because it works out much more stable in scores with a normal rather than a flat distribution. Ironically this makes it far more sensible to use in something like dnd because the heckin epic critical successes and failures (18s and 3s respectively in this system) would actually be rare enough to merit something crazy happening, it is literally more than ten times less likely to happen than getting the lowest scores on a d20
>>98828520>literally all you need btw1D6 can't handle random tables with more than six outcomes.It also can't handle tables with more than three outcomes at different probability ranges.
>>98828987>1D6 can't handle random tables with more than six outcomes.of course it can lol a table with 6 columns with 60 lines (360 options), roll = column, current second = line>It also can't handle tables with more than three outcomes at different probability ranges.ofc it can, see above and expand
>>98828306>That XKCD comic about how we could be killedWhich one anon?
>>98826419Just play Blackjack with the d6 except the "bust" is 12 or more.
>>98828987>>98829007you can also just limit your self to 6 abstract outcomes and you know just be creative
>>98829007One roll can't handle all that.That's multiple rolls.
>>98829019I'll think about that when I'm figuring out a system for collaborative writing.But as far as games go, I need something more concrete and engaging than that.
>>98826372Uh guys, I don't think they're talking about the d6. There's a coin in the center.
>>98829112A coin isn't a die.
>>98829098>One roll can't handle all that.sure it can>That's multiple rolls.no>roll 4>check time during rolling>7h 49m 53s 164549 ms >53 16 45 49...>>98829104sure, and its totally ok for you to think that, but to say its impossible or bad... it literally just works
>>98829401>check timeYou're using more than 1D6 in that case.>literally just worksFor a limited range of 1-6 outcomes and no room for arrays it just works, yes.
>>98829430>You're using more than 1D6 in that case.true, you would have to use something to stop time and check, but time was just an exampleif you know the cardinal directions you can mark the edges of each face of the die and when you roll you can get 24 results from 1d6. by counting bounces and other stuff you can also modify the roll. so there are other solutions that can expand the range of a d6 that dont involve using anything else but knowledge or what you are seeing
>>98829445>using more extra shit-> >>98828520>literally all you need btw? ? ?
>>98829450>1d6 + your brain>wtf you have to use your brain??
>>98829535>time and direction only exist in your brain
>>98827030>Year Zero Engine>WhoForbidden Lands, Alien, Blade Runner, Tales from the Loop>AGE>Meme.No.>Barbarians of Lemuria>WhoProbably best system to play Sword and Sorcery or Swashbuckling
>>98826372I know two good base systems with d6.> 3d6+mod vs TN, nat 6s add bonus effectsThe game's not THAT good, but the dice roll is awesome. Fragged Empires.> [skill rank]d6, pick highest, mostly opposed.Dream Pod 9 uses it everywhere (Heavy Gears, incredible game), as well as Blades in the Dark (meh).
>>98826372Hey retard, it's not the 80s anymore. Getting other kinds of dice is trivially easy.
>>98829008https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/591:_Troll_Slayer
>>98830429>it's not the 80s anymoreProofs?
>>98829621well... yeah?
>>98826979Tunnel & Trolls is fun system because it is so shit but it also just works. Especially the combat being banging massive dicepools into each other where ever action happens simultaneously is unhinged but there is method to the madness.
>>98828987>oh no I have to roll twice?
>>98830857Oh, sweet.Happy New Year, then. I'm looking forward to how the year 2000 turns out! I'm planning to head due North to Japan for vacation!
>>98831047A lot more can be done with even 1D10 than 1D6, and I don't even like the D10.
>>98831335four more things, I guess.
>>98831328happy new year anon, i hope you have a great vacation
>>98828987Does anon assume that people who play d% systems actually bring d100s and not just different d10s?
>>98831428no, he hasn't replied to several people pointing out he can use more than one die so he's just performatively retarded.
>>98829119sure is, d2. >>98828987Anon here didn't know about drop tables.>but it's more than a dice roll!yeah, a dice roll and a table. >but it will not be a fair dice, some results may happen more often than others!who cares.You can even divide the sheet of paper in say 30x20 = 600 little fields and now you have a d600 with a single d6 roll! congrats!But it's more fun to drop a few different ones and interpret them together.
>>98831857>>98829119Its a D3, just really strongly weighted towards 1 & 2.
>>98831857oh sorry, I meant d6xd600 (the outcome of the die roll can also be used).But it is more fun to drop a few at the same time and interpret the result.
>>98831335What does that have to do with the price of cheese? The thread is about d6 and the discussion was about tables.
>>98829119There should be about 10 replies to this post telling anon to lurk moar
>>98832569The discussion started about how a D6 is *literally* all you need, and I have explained, numerous times, why it is only effective for limited ranges, and why it isn't suitable for more engaging arrays and tables.If the D6 was a universal solution like people are saying it is (I reiterate "LITERALLY ALL YOU NEED"), we wouldn't be having this conversation.
>>98831428>>98831444"A D6 is literally all you need," remember?
>>98832899see>>98831857>>98831893you don't roll a number and look-up the number in a table.you roll on the table and pick the closest item where the die lands.You have a list of 97 names? Drop a die (or pebble, or whatever) and pick the closest one.You want to detemine a random wind direction? Just roll in an empty box cover (or on a sheet of paper). The position determines the direction (top border = N, right = E, etc.); the distance from the center how strong the wind is (say close to the center= no wind, in the middle = light wind, on the border = strong wind) or you can just draw some circles with a wind scale if you so want.You want to know where you hit someone? Print a humanoid silhouette and drop your die (or pebble or whatever) on it.Headshot? Yeah, that's a crit. Glancing blow (die is on the border) to the shoulder? Just a flesh wound. Left pinky finger? It's gone, you are now 9-finger-Jim. Not on the picture? You missed.tldr: Think roulette (with a ball aka a d1 that determines a number between 0-36).So yeah, a pebble is all you need.
>>98830179>>Barbarians of Lemuria>>Who>Probably best system to play Sword and Sorcery or SwashbucklingThis^
>>98826372what are you talking about there's literally dozens of good engines for it.
>>98834146They are literally just trolling for engagement, and mods and jannies allow it, because this place is dead and rotting.
>>98834008So that's 1D6 and the sheet of paper with whatever on it.That's literally more than literally just a 1D6.
>>98830179Correction: BoL is the best system to play any games that aren't for autistic spergs. Can carry any premise, and works just fine with it.
>>98827030>I don't know nor play gamesThanks for sharing, mate
>>98832899Yeah and what? You can use a d1000 if you like, it's still not relevant to the discussion that you can get plenty of table variance with a d6
>>98834884Joke's on you, you need a surface to roll the dice on and photon receptors to perceive the photons bouncing off the dice to register the results in some sort of consciousness simulator and caloric intake distribution system on a planet or some other extraneous corporate slop!
>>98836796>you can get plenty of table variance with a d6That remains to be seen, though.Deflections, illogical extremes, and suggestions of using tools beyond the D6 are all that have been offered.
>>98838316Duh, the air is more than the d6 so you're not literally using just a d6 maaannnnn
>>98838316>That remains to be seen, though.Two different anon gave quite good examples
>>98829602>top posters are either schizos or low-effort spammersBut I like Haybaleposter...
>>98826372Tons of games use d6, especially dicepool systems, what the fuck are you talking about, you fucking retard? Have you even tried playing literally anything other than D&D?
>>98829602Thanks for editing my crappy image, you are the best thing on /tg/
>>98826372I've heard of Mini Six, but I've never played it. Not sure if it is good as GURPs or Genesys or BRP core/classic.
>>98836555I probably need to create a separate thread, but how BoL system handles situations with multiple bonuses to a single attribute or somethink like that? Is 2d6 really enough?
>>98826372It's called Craps
>>98831335Nobody likes the d10 because it's not a platonic solid. the d20 is a better d10
>>98826881>dyed hair (balding)>died FINGERNAILSgod can this "man" be even more of a fag?
>>98826372I honestly don't give a shit about a game engine being good or bad anymore. I've played a good engine and /tg/ collectively hated it. It made me realize that engines don't need to be good or even functional because people will hate it no matter what. So just play what ever is the most widely known or the easiest to run from GM standpoint because that's all that is going to matter.
>>98847298>Is 2d6 really enough?Yes, fits nicely, granularity is in the zone.This system had been lauded for 20 years so far because it works despite it being simple.>To find out if a character succeeds at a task:>Roll two d6 to get a total from 2 to 12>Add an appropriate attribute>If fighting, add an appropriate combat ability>If not fighting, add the rank of an appropriate career>Add any other situational modifiers>If the result is:>9 or more: the character succeeds.>8 or less: the character fails.>Two sixes is a Mighty Success if a 12 would have granted a success, otherwise this is just anormal success.>Two ones is always a failure. A character can gain a Hero Point if they make it a Calamitous Failure.There's a common hack for those wanting longer campaign arcs, use 2d10 and Target Number is 12, or 2d12 and TN is 15 (or 18 if you double stats). (Personally I would scale down the experience points given, but it's not a popular scheme.)
>>98848314It seem that people like this game because rolling a small bell curve against the fixed TN doesn't require stacking modifiers and book-keeping. Sometimes I run games just like that without any system. I think with bigger dice, crits just become too rare to care.
>>98847335It's not about what people like, it's about what can be done with it.
>>98841165They gave suggestions of using tools beyond the D6.
>>98849049>using tools beyond the D6.yeah 2D6, you pedantic bitch
>>98849049Yeah well if you don't just spin the dice in a zero-g vacuum because you can't use a table, that's a tool, and you can't write down results on paper because that's two more tools and your hand so oh no more tools all we've got is that you're a gigantic shit
>>98849365The only mention of a second D6 in >>98828520 was confirming a critical failure.Did you forget what the conversation is about?
>>98849918>illogical extreme
>>98850115You're the one who thinks having paper and a pencil is too many tools in addition to a d6. For ttpgs.
>>98850288Nope.I've only been talking about what's used to determine the result of a die, not about what's recorded before or after the roll's resolution.The conversation has always been about the faulty notion that "a D6 is literally all you need".
>>98850301So all you need is a D6 and some paper to make a dice drop table. Glad we agree. If you need >literally to be in fact literal you know its necessarily an impossible condition due to the absurdity you claim to render the conversation meaningless.
>>98850506The intent of a drop table is to be included in the result of the die, so it is something more than a D6 determining the result, so at that point it's not literally just the D6 determining the result.If you need a drop table to create more results for your D6, the statement "a D6 is literally all you need" is false.
>>98850719If a dice drop table is too many additional things then pen and paper are too many additional things for your concerns. To play ttrpgs. So do you agree its an absurd statement to require "literally" only one thing? All other examples of how to use any object will necessarily require it to exist in space time with all the other objects and their phenomenological being.
>>98848707>I think with bigger dice, crits just become too rare to care.The crits became 2-3 & 19-20 with 2d10, and 2-3 & 23-24 with 2d12, so they stay relevant.For me, I like this system most because of the "careers" system; characters have "careers" instead of "skills".
>>98850741-> >>98850301
>>98851567Won't it lead to optimal careers and constant tries to convince GM that your career apply?
>>98851938I accept your concession.
>>98853911You're the one who can't provide proof that a D6 is literally all you need.
>>98853911>>98853930You both are embarrassing.
>>98854583All I want is compelling proof that the D6 is literally all you need, like >>98828520 asserted, or the admission that the post is false.But pathetic D6fags can't do either of those things, and will continue to double down.
>>98854706lol literally this stuck on literally
>>98854706>All I want is compelling proof that the D6 is literally all you need, like >>98828520 asserted, or the admission that the post is false.That's exactly why you are embarrassing.
>>98854706>All I want is compelling proof that the D6 is literally all you need, like >>98828520He already gave you
>>98853005This is the old debate about low-trust vs high-trust tables. It is solved by not gaming along with assholes, either GMs or players.>Won't it lead to optimal careers and constant tries to convince GM that your career apply?Only min-maxers are interested in optimal characters, no system or game is impervious to min-maxers. Is BoL a "mother-may-I" system? Yes, but only for non-combat situations. Combat doesn't use careers. But you can know this by reading about it from books instead from a crappy spammy thread in 4chins full of low-effort puckee-like questions.If you are interested in checking BoL, that's fine, if not, that's ok too. I would say If there's a common criticisms for BoL from most people is that the magic system is too broad, diegetic, and requires imaginative players; and as always, there are fixes for it for people that aren't into using their own imagination and just want things given to them in silver plates.Honesty, this whole thread reads like fluff/polemics/trolling made by the very own mods or jannies to increase posting numbers, or a bored troll or contrarian fishing for (You)s as a form of parasocial loner interaction.If people hate on d6s for the sake of it, to each their own, their loss. Why would someone look or ask for evangelism of a system to be convinced of something when the very thing is there to be read? If someone wants to read about a specific TTRPG without wasting any money, just go to the pdf share thread here in /tg/ and look for it or just ask.Sorry anon, goodbye, I'm closing this tab for good.
>>98826372West End Games Star Wars is a great game that used dice sixes.As long as you steer clear of the post-2006 d6 slop and the shit that came out by 3pp.Especially the Gallant Knight Games d6 slop
>>98826372Traveller & Barbarians of Lemuria are good systems
>>98826372Prowlers and Paragons /thread
>>98854845I responded to a post that was making a point, and I addressed that point.>>98854863>He already gave youNope.I already said that doesn't handle more complex tables, so it's not a universal solution.
>>98861115Mini Six is good, but other than that I agree with this post (GKG can fuck off).
>>98861682literally nobody cares
>>98848314Not the faggot anon who was dragging this thread artificially, but a fellow BoL enthusiast (well, more of Dicey Tales guy):The best hack is to use 2d8 and move the threshold just one notch up to 10.This way you get both a proper scale for character progression and the right kind of bullshit feel for pulp action., effectively starting as common Joes who get to action movie characters after the first campaign or two, and then nobody minds the success rates.Also, in my experience, DT is superior for long-term games simply because it can be way, way, way more varied in terms on progression, basically giving bonuses to narrower fields or ones that feel more distinct (usually both). Like how often do you think you are going to use that Jungle Explorer when the game is simply set in the Antarctica? And it can be part of the exact same campaign>inb4 you can do the same in HyboriaYeah, but that assumes the entire table knows the lore and its fictional geography and alternatives. Take a wild guess which setting makes it ten times easier for anyone who simply didn't drop out of school before 4th grade.Another good hack is when playing H+I and ignoring the idiotic idea of having to earn Fortune Points, rather than just having a fixed amount of them like in most versions of BoL. The guy who wrote H+I either never had a "Silent Bob" player or was just fucking retarded by requiring entire table to be hyperactive social animals (or never read Alatriste).
>>98861682>I already said that doesn't handle more complex tablesAnd? Tables are crutches for uncreative retards. They are not a necessity
>>98861682>I already said that doesn't handle more complex tablesWrong.2d6 gives you both a bell-curve with 11 potential outcomes and also a fully random table of up to 36 positions. Both of which can be ranged for your needs.But what else than the dumbest take to expect from a gameless retard who also can't into the most basic math.
>>98862492> the faggot anon who was dragging this thread artificiallyHope you didn't mean me, since now I am on crossroads about using YZE or BoL as a basis for my future homebrewed campaigns.
>>988629322D6 is more than a D6.I've mentioned this before.
>>98862810I don't feel like playing the same game over and over, sorry.
>>98861732-> >>98828520 cared enough to post it.
>>98863506> can't imagine multiple optionsSingle threaded brain... Damn!
>>98863533So tell me what the difference is between rolling a D6 to have a "GM" interpret the result, and rolling a D6 to have a "GM" interpret the result?
>>98863545So tell me what the difference is between picking an outcome, and picking an outcome?So tell me what the difference is between writing a book, and writing a book?So tell me what the difference is between saying a sentence, and saying a sentence?
>>98861694>GKG can fuck offI see alot of this sediment come up over the years, is there any one thing in particular that you can point to that Gallant Knight Games that ellicits sucha visceral response?
>>98863545>>98863584
>>98863545>get called single threaded brain>write a question with 2 options>only could think of oneMy sides
>>98863510You're probably too autistic to recognize that >>98861732 was a joke.
The biggest hurdle with using the more common polyhedrals is that some of most useful systems have already been designed and published several decades ago.And those in the business of making money make flawed systems that can be corrected and rereleased at exponential cost in the future.It doesn't pay to design a functioning system in this day and age.
>>98826571The original OpenD6 was solid as it was built on a solid WEG foundation.And much like how Cinematic Unisystem was tuned up from Classic Unisystem, the best cinematic tune up of the old WEG D6 was actually the release as presented in their Hercules & Xena game
>>98866333>too autistic to recognize that >>98863510 is a joke
>>98828987>never played MaidRPG
>>98826372I could shit a good d6 system with my eyes closed. Its a shit uninspired die. Designing for d6 always, always feels like designing a board game. That's why I don't. D6 is a shit normie die. Wanting a d6 system admits to me the only dice you own you pulled from your yatzee box. Uou are a casual.
>>988775651v1 me
>>98877565
>>98826372Six sided dice games truly are the great litmus test of The Hobby
>>98877974>>98878068But 2d6 peak at the middle of the curve.
If six sided dice are the Arrowroot biscuits of dice, than what would be the others?
>>98878112Brother, what point are you trying to make here.
>>98878161dont bother its one of those multiquote botposter
>>98878161Mostly being silly that the 2d6 distribution doesn't line up with the macro and that's funny in and of itself to me. >>98878170oh hush cupcake
>>98878150
>>98877565this/thread
>>98877565>i need to justify my collection of overpriced polyhedral dice sets
>>98883465>i need to justify my decision to take my yatzee dice out of the box, put them in a pullstring bag, and call them my "dice collection"
>>98884062What is it with you and yahtzee? Did you develop ptsd from constantly losing at yahtzee and now seeing six-sided dice gives you flashbacks? I'm sorry, mate, I didn't know.
>>98878243Damn limeade oreo sounds good as fuck, I love the lemon ones
>>98884130You know that's where you get your first d6s. It's the easiest boardgame normies get d6s from.>You must have lost yahtzee too many times huh?I apparently can't even spell that stupid game's name correctly, and you think I played is so many times I have PTSD.
>>98884327>You know that's where you get your first d6s. It's the easiest boardgame normies get d6s from.I never played yahtzee. I got my first dice from one of those "10 in 1 classic board games" boxes.>I apparently can't even spell that stupid game's name correctly, and you think I played is so many times I have PTSD.Nah, I was just being an asshole. But such an intense aversion to six-sided dice (the best kind of dice) is rather strange.
>>98884430d6 is probably only good for hex based games
>>98885889Why only hex based games?
>>98885908>I don't know how many sizes a hexagon has.
>>98886107*sides
>>98886107>>98886115Generally 6 but in as many sizes as you want my els shitposter friend.
>>98886124>els shitposter friendMust be ESL.
>>98886107Nevermind then, I thought there was actually some deeper reasoning to >>98885889 than "both have six sides".
>>98886198keep it simple
>>98886132Its a art.
>>98886227>It's an art.FTFY
>>98886494Hello newfag.
>>98886568k esl
>>98826372Soulbound has a good d6 engine, but no one will play it cause it's Age of Sigmar.
>>98826571He's talking about the d2, retard. Everyone has these in their wallets.
>>98892589d2 are actually just d3 with shit distribution
>>98828861flat vs bell curve distribution is a mountain out of a mole hill
