Fauré edition.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02QuEuy9K3AThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>131983359
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OCY-OdWfy8&list=OLAK5uy_l0G4ysfxJaw5g1r-J3khIyjGjikSN1VTM&index=45
I hope the Rhinemaidens get their gold back
>>132004377In Paradisum is beautiful
>>132004400damn Op. 49 is a masterpiece
>>132004377Confess your /classical/ sins. I'll start: I don't like Tchaikovsky 5 even though I think his 6 is one of the best symphonies ever. And I like his other ones, especially 2, but 5 and 6 are usually considered as his best.
>>132004700I hardly like any classical between bach and beethoven
I don't trust anyone who doesn't like Dvorak's late symphonies
>>132004700I would give up all classical just for Chopin alone. Same as Nietzsche.
>>132004700not a sin but its a hot opinion, I think that using a piano for baroque composers is a cardinal sin
>>132004831Harpsichord sounds like shit. Don't pretend it doesn't.
>>132004851Worst opinion ive heard on /classical/ if this isn't just straight up bait
>>132004866Not even close to the worst opinions ever posted here.
real thread>>132003861
>>132004851Filtered.
>>132004939Yeah, I take that honor myself.
>>132004851I'm not a fan of piano either, although agreed on solo harpsichord pieces being exhausting. I happen to like sounds getting louder or quieter as the piece goes. I do like harpsichord parts in Bach's St Matthew Passion.
Shostakovich - Fugue in A major, what are your thoughts on it? I want to hear some serious, spicy comments as well.Two different interpretations:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qe1vF0bgmb4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZwe0z8-fTU Personally I find it nice but sometimes outright painful to listen to due to absence of dissonance. It also lacks depth, but sure, it's emotionally powerful, even though that alone doesn't mean much.
Schoenberg couldn't in a million years
>>132004700Haydn, Mozart & co. (and even some Beethoven) make me zone out. I am sure it is the apex of cleverness and technical mastery, but it's just so limpidly bland. To be fair, I have heard very little pre-Romantic music, so this is likely my ignorance talking.
>>132004744>>132005896You're just classical-era skeptics. Classical period is not for everyone.Doesn't mean you shouldn't try some every now and then though, people can change and so can their musical taste. But I wouldn't force it, that'll only make you hate it.
>>132005581>I'm not a fan of piano eitherThe absolute state of this generalDo people like this actually exist?
>>132006012All kinds of people exist. And it's a good thing.
I don't listen to piano or harpsichord. I prefer organ for my keyboard works. https://youtu.be/tkXFVpErNEQ?si=SWS06DUde8iSQu1U
>>132004377OP is a cock sucking thread splitter.real thread:>>132003861>>132003861>>132003861>>132003861
Callas sings Habanera from Carmenhttps://youtu.be/l442aqoFGzs?si=lXH9u8h6ilIlqnZ2Love the shading at 0:22. She's a goddess.
>>132006241>OP is a cock sucking>OPStrange way to spell Sz*ll.
>>132006241???
>>132006241Not an official /classical/ thread since its written in name and not subject
>>132006376>waaah! I'll throw a tantrum and ruin the entire /classical/ general because I missed the chance to make a thread when I had the chance to!kill yourself.
>>132003861>>132003861>>132003861>>132003861
https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best-classic-key.htmlOpinions on this list?
>>132006835>>132003861>>132003861
What a great recording of Shostakovich - String Quartet No. 8 by David Oistrakh String Quartet.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtAiWDypmJA&list=OLAK5uy_nHEZv9S9KAPeZ9VvmAIKEZwn62BT7Dpw0&index=5&pp=8AUB0gcJCSsMAYcqIYzvmAkA
thoughts on my tierlist
>>132007203Acceptable.
>>132007203There is no Schubert or Weber so it's an automatic fail.
>>132006012Suppose I should elaborate. My favorite sound is a sound of a bow going across string. For example opening chord here https://youtu.be/Wn6K53W_Nu0?list=RDWn6K53W_Nu0&t=57 I like continuity, where the pitch changes without discrete steps. However most piano repertoire contains sudden change into percussion instrument. Although even during runs you can often hear individual keystrokes going off. I won't say I dislike all piano, for example I do like: Bartok Piano 3, Tchaikovsky 1, Scriabin in F-sharp minor. Rachmaninov Vocalise (although mostly for the soprano part). Beethoven Moonlight Sonata, Pathétique Sonata. Chopin Nocturne No. 20. Steve Reich - Music for 18 musicians. I do like organ and celesta though.
>>132007203Undeniably patrician.
>>132006835Some odd rankings, but it's all opinion, so pretty good. Useful as a reference. One should strive to know every work on there! And of course, it leads into the usual debate of if comparing piano cycles to singular pieces and sonatas is really fair.
>>132007203stupid
I had plans to revisit either the newer Manze or Brabbins Vaughan Williams cycles but at the last second I decided I will instead be retrying Haitink's more controversial sethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Or85gW00cg&list=OLAK5uy_lgfYXDgbuhCD0GUO9xC8XaxSeP9u79sZs&index=16Don't let me down, Bernard!
been getting into bartok recently. listened to miraculous mandarin, concerto for orchestra, and music for strings percussion and celeste so far and loved them all. what next
>>132008600I could listen stuff but probably easier just to say go herehttps://www.talkclassical.com/threads/compilation-of-the-tc-top-recommended-lists.17996/and ctrl+f 'bartok'
one day I WILL learn to enjoy Bartok's string quartets
>>132008655But why
>>132005896That's just because you haven't heard Mozart's operas yet.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuBeBjqKSGQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQxs8TYgakIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7OMOFJACB4Heck. Yes.
>>132008600Bluebeard's Castle, Clarinet Trio, Six Dances in Bulgarian Rhythm, the list goes on...
>>132007297not seeing debussy either.
I wish Mozart were still alive.https://youtu.be/iH6bYn3U92k?si=EWuZedM6TrQRNauS
>>132006835terrible.>>132007203revolting.
This is why Mozart is the greatest musician who ever lived.https://youtu.be/kEacb-9dc78?si=w8UJxjYz9lvNd9-C
Are there any works you collect compulsively?
It's time to get hissy...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUnZWoivEQg
>>132010326Is it just me or does this Siegmund sound a bit strained?
>>132009115Why do I want to learn to like them or why do I currently dislike them?
>>132010263Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier, Bach's Art of Fugue, Bach's Goldberg Variations Beethoven's Piano Sonatas, Liszt's Piano Sonata, Chopin's Nocturnes, Debussy's Preludes, Brahms' symphonies, Mahler's symphonies, Bruckner's symphonies, Prokofiev's piano sonatas, Shostakovich's 24 Preludes and Fugues, Wagner's Ring cycle.
>>132010367Maybe that's just what he sounds like... either way, not really a fan.
>>132010263>implying any work has more than 1 or 2 good recordingsCouldn't be me.
>>132010423Yeah actually this Siegmund kinda sucks desu.
Beethoven's Piano Sonata 23, 'Appassionata' is pretty bomb but greatest piano work ever? I do not think so!
>>132010728His 2nd best sonata after 30th, 4th best sonata overall after Schubert's D. 960, Chopin's 3rd and Op. 109.
>>132010781Where do you rank the Hammerklavier?
>>132010885Top 5 after these of course.
now playingstart of Liszt: Piano Sonata in B Minor, S. 178https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB5jbgwWMZc&list=OLAK5uy_nEZ9OWOeEBXNCdPxsgvzU4LynIdXyyyVo&index=2start of Schumann: Fantasie in C, Op. 17https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHVB2uSwgcY&list=OLAK5uy_nEZ9OWOeEBXNCdPxsgvzU4LynIdXyyyVo&index=4https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nEZ9OWOeEBXNCdPxsgvzU4LynIdXyyyVoLiszt and Halloween go together, I'm thinkin'.
who is this "Marche" and why is he a "Slave?"
>>132011010wise guy eh
>>132007203i like it
>>132010728No cause Waldstein exists
>>132004377Based edition
>>132007203A bit nonsensical and odd but also kind of based.
Today I will enjoy the Goldberg variations performed by Andras Schiff
>>132012867>enjoy
this shit str8 bussin
Frfr this shit fire
>>132004377Did you pick Faure for today because Requiem is really scary?
Alexander Scriabin - The Complete Piano Sonatas
now playingstart of Prokofiev: Piano Sonata No. 6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CirqGdauoM&list=OLAK5uy_l9nHolwFSYEO5qYIoIyYV2rv7rFYUDxUk&index=14start of Prokofiev: Piano Sonata No. 7https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuiDKmp3f7E&list=OLAK5uy_l9nHolwFSYEO5qYIoIyYV2rv7rFYUDxUk&index=18start of Prokofiev: Piano Sonata No. 8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=907nz-Ox2w8&list=OLAK5uy_l9nHolwFSYEO5qYIoIyYV2rv7rFYUDxUk&index=21start of Prokofiev: Piano Sonata No. 9https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARLg1n69WN0&list=OLAK5uy_l9nHolwFSYEO5qYIoIyYV2rv7rFYUDxUk&index=23https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l9nHolwFSYEO5qYIoIyYV2rv7rFYUDxUkThese sonatas seem Halloween-adjacent to me.
>>132013888I recently discovered Ruth Laredo also has a complete Rachmaninoff solo piano set.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDcJaEgNQhw&list=OLAK5uy_k6qYfSqGUepv_ZTU6qcDYR0HKb78J-pKM&index=39
>tfw musical IQ too low to understand variations formyou could call the Goldberg Variations or Variations on a Theme of Corelli a set of Preludes or Impromptus and I wouldn't notice the difference
>>132012867Check out Glenn Goulds version as well. The 1980s version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRxYpHdVt-0me and other 4 cucks are watching live Morton Feldman’s “For John Cage”: Performed by Darragh Morgan (violin) and Mary Dullea (piano)
Oswald Kabasta remasters if anyone wants em. Just his Beethoven/Dvorak/Bruckner set. The Beethoven and Dvorak were pretty easy and I didn't have to do much other than basic EQ / flutter correction / dynamic adjustments.The Bruckner was a nightmare. It has tons of distortion and tape saturation in the first and second movement, and M&A's solution was applying a gigantic low pass filter that cut into the actual frequencies of the music, making it sound dim.And also the dynamics on the Bruckner were completely nonsense, with seemingly random huge audio jumps in becoming louder/quieter that had little relation to the actual music (such as the coda of the finale being extremely quiet).Should be much better now, though.https://gofile.io/d/y8QqOFvtFun fact: the Dvorak 9th on here was, for many years, thought to be a Furtwängler performance due to its intensity.
>>132014797>Fun fact: the Dvorak 9th on here was, for many years, thought to be a Furtwängler performance due to its intensity.That fact is fun.
>>132014784I wrote a piece called "For Glenn Gould"It's a lieder for string quartet piece which consists of a soprano singing "Fuck you" repeatedly for five minutes.
>>132014784I'm diggin' it, thanks. Might sound silly but avant-garde pieces like this are easier to enjoy when watching the concert. It's easier to take the piece seriously when you see musicians taking it seriously, if that makes sense.
>>132014797>Kabasta was an enthusiastic supporter of the Nazi regime. After the Anschluss in 1938, he signed all his letters with, "Heil Hitler!" After the end of World War II, Kabasta was forbidden to work as a conductor by the Allies when he admitted that he had applied to join the Nazi Party (although he claimed to be "inwardly anti-Nazi").[3] In October 1945 the denazification authorities ordered the city of Munich to discontinue his salary.[3] Devastated by his dismissal, and his relegation to the status of "common laborer", he committed suicide in Kufstein, Austria in 1946.[4]shiii---
>>132014933avant-garde "composers"
>>132014797Damn this Bruckner 4 is fast as fuckI like it tho
five orchestral works everyone with a soul has to like,>Tchaikovsky - Swan Lake>Rimsky-Korsakov - Scheherazade>Mendelssohn - The Hebrides Overture (Fingal's Cave)>Vaughan Williams - Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis>Debussy - Prélude à L'Après-midi d'un Faunehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCphwVnD_hM
Debussyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOEPbKVFcbA&list=OLAK5uy_kJXV1texelQREUhZ1m4_9RTa3M24wXKkw&index=1
five operatic works everyone with a soul has to like,>Wagner - Lohengrin>Leoncavallo - Pagliacci>Mendelssohn - Elias>Rachmaninoff - Vespers>Bach - Saint John Passionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xieiftHpQY
>>132015659>>Rachmaninoff - VespersThat's choral! choral!
>>132015670it's operatic in spirit
Is there anyone who doesn't like Rachmaninoff's B-Flat Major and G minor Preludes?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSYXg3shAUU&list=OLAK5uy_msXg2QLTU_EYr7toJnttkmxOMJ6TrbKG8&index=4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exdy2xapKp4&list=OLAK5uy_msXg2QLTU_EYr7toJnttkmxOMJ6TrbKG8&index=6They're so good, they're effective at converting people into classical music lovers.
Is there anyone who doesn't weep to Rachmaninoff's 2nd symphony every now and then? Not even a single tear?
>>132016065I weep from how boring it is
>>132016065Too self indulgent
>>132016065The only reaction Rach gets out of me is eye rolling.
>>132017805you really don't like the two pieces here?>>132015780
Till Fellner's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPnZEi2-kcQ&list=OLAK5uy_lrIFzDEv3u7qUuIPzGEWVEGoghVUqmqFA&index=15
The Coughers of Colognehave joined forces with Cologne Clappersand established the Cough and Clap Societya non-profit-making organizationwhose aim it isto guarantee each concertgoer's rightto cough and applaudAttempts by unfeeling artists and impresariosto question such privilegeshave led to a Coughers and Clappers initiativeMembers are required to applaudimmediately after sublime codasand cough distinctlyduring expressive silencesDistinct coughing is of paramount importanceto stifle or muffle itforbidden on pain of expulsionCoughers of outstanding tenacityare awarded the Coughing Rhinemaidena handsome if slightly baroque appendageto be worn around the neckThe C & C' recent mergerwith the New York Sneezersand the London Whistlersraises high hopesfor Cologne's musical future.by Alfred Brendel, taken from ONE FINGER TOO MANYFaber Poetry Series
'bout to pop the melatonin, what to listen to...
>>132018670And people say Brendel wasn't amazing
>>132018725feuerzauber
>>132018775die, walkure, die!
Rachmaninoffhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bOH6grs-Qg&list=OLAK5uy_lkLVnYoPGo7X2T1RbYWTRGcE90aACIyzM&index=11
I would sacrifice the entirety of Mendelssohn's output for one more Brahms symphony.
>>132018936I would sacrifice the entirety of Brahms' output for one more Wagner opera.
>I would sacrifice the entirety of Schoenberg's output.>...for?>...
>>132019003the sins of humanity.
Why does ballet dancing always look like it's out of time or unrelated to the music? Don't get me wrong, the athleticism and gracefulness of the dancers is in itself impressive, but it always seems to fit clumsily to the music. It doesn't matter whether it's traditional or avant-garde. I used to think this was just the nature of ballet but some movie adaptations manage to synchronise music and dancing and it's much more pleasurable.
>>132019298who even cares? ballet is gay as fuck and the most notable ballet composer was a literal faggot.
>>132019314>the most notable ballet composer was a literal faggot.Stravinsky?
>132019321(you)tchkvsky
What’s the best stuff to come out of the era when classical music was getting played on synths? Anything from the 50s to the 70s
>>132019343kill yourself, tranny.
>>132016514I don't believe you.
Easily the best description of music, a fugue and keyboard playing all in one in Western poetry:whence the soundOf Instruments that made melodious chimeWas heard, of Harp and Organ; and who movedTheir stops and chords was seen: his volant touchInstinct through all proportions low and highFled and pursued transverse the resonant fugue.
>>132019363shut up, retard. you need to go back:>>>/lit/
>>132019381Are we not allowed to discuss fugues with poetry excerpts in the /classical/ general?
>>132019421kill yourself.
ayo this shit kinda slaps fr
I feel like I've listened to too much good music lately... time to cleanse the palate.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kmPsoHLKXQ&list=PLxXjllvtBC_qbc2QzvNu_O20PncLxo9B_&index=71
Thoughts on Bruno Walter as a pianist?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4675jBxXuc
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>>132019321tchaikovsky
>>132020211Yawn
Kleiber falls into trance over mid flute solo! Amazing!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCerQpFGV30
>>132020257A bit too much, no?
>>132019945I always forget how much random stuff happens in Siegfried.
