why was post-grunge so hated/memed?
because it sounded bad
>>131963188They took all the wrong lessons from Nirvana.
Creed is often memed on but honestly it's pretty good music with a good message and if you don't like it you are dead inside and also an idiot.
>>131963188>>131963239i find it peculiar that all these bands were heartland state rednecks like Creed and Puddle of Mudd who nowadays do fundraiser concerts for the RNC because they thought grunge was bluff and "real" when its actual context was pretty faggy and it was rooted in PNW granola liberalism--life sucks, God is gay, women are always right all the time, etc.
>>131963188The vocals usually
>>131963346>Neither Creed nor Puddle of Mudd perform fundraiser concerts for the Republican National Committee (RNC).
Lol @ "post-grunge". Fuck off, Creed was pure 100% unadulterated butt rock.
>>131963371nta but who are you quoting?
>>131963419Google.
>>131963419>can't tell that's ChatGPT and that poster was Indian
>>131963188Because it's for faggots and women
>>131963375post-grunge and butt rock are synonymous
>>131963188Because people were tired of it by that point
>>131963188Your dad liked it. At the same time, America was lately turning (or openly admitting to being) Atheist. These two factors combined made many a teenage boy hate Creed and their ilk, regardless of the music.
>>131963188It was White. Jews wanted to drive Whites completely out of pop culture and replace them with their other Jews (RHCP, Beastie Boys) and Blacks.
>>131963188It was basically adult-contemporary music that didn't appeal to kids, hence why people nowadays like it but didn't when they were kids.
>>131963188Why did people hate Creed but not Alter Bridge?
>>131963188Millennial here - it was boring, it wasn't fun, and it took all the aggression, rebellion, abrasiveness, and experimentation out of grunge to make lame shopping mall music.Consider what else was happening in the late 90s. Pop Punk was big with blink-182. There were big art rock bands like Radiohead. Black Metal's second wave was going strong, tech-death was pretty big, and hip hop was in a sort of golden age. Post-Grunge being the biggest thing on the radio and TV felt almost offensive when there was so much better stuff happening.
>>131965142Post-britpop was way better than post-grunge as well
>>131963188Woodstock '99 happened and jews realized a revolution could get started with this type of musicSo then they shut it down immediately with forced Nickelback memes and ushered in the new era of degenerate (C)rap
>>131965142>Black Metal's second wave was going strong, tech-death was pretty bigNobody gave a shit about these faggot genres. You know what metal millennials liked? Linkin Park and Slipknot.
>>131963188Sneed.
>>131963287>>131963346>Unidirectional god possessive "Positivist" shit and not complex enough>God is gay>Creed in the same postWhat the fuck is wrong with you? Do you even understand what Creed is about, retard?Apart from that "Creed" had a good production engineer for the drums, Puddle Of Mudd sucked ass, in post grunge (Damn, did I use that now?) "Staind" made a pretty good stand, as well did Saron Gas/Seether, I still "Drunk drive" them for good cruise control background feels when I drink whisky to feel "something"To understand why post-grunge was hated, you have to understand that ALL things "Post" are hated/memed because of the term "Post".
Because it's grunge but somehow worse? >>131964902Probably because they, Red, and As I Lay Dying as bands that make christian-themed music are actually relatively good at the music part?
>>131966942Alrer Bridge aren't really Christian
>>131963188Christian rock but without the Christianity.
>>131963188there is no 'post grunge'theres just bad wanna be grunge train hoppers
>>131964902ON THIS DAY
>>131963188almost all post-grunge was pop music dressed up as rock music.
>>131965786no, that's what white trash posers liked. You were never a metalhead
>>131963466Fuck you bloody basterd bich
>>131966942You do know Alter Bridge is just Creed with a different singer right?
musically super-limited. at least the grunge bands could play.
>>131973281And they make music that isn't terrible.
>>131963188Because poor people liked it. You'll notice even nowadays these bands get trashed here or reddit or RYM or aoty bc they are poor people's music
>>131965142>>131963188It seems like the biggest bands of their genres were so big because of exactly that - energy. Even take Led Zeppelin or Beatle themselves, everything before them feels like a stale joke in comparison. Nirvana was exactly the same. It's literally a cycle really, something new comes out, it gets commercialized and life is sucked out of it until it gets replaced by something new and authentic and cycle repeats. Grunge was cool, but post grunge was grunge that got turned into "science", wasn't spontaneous and daring but carefully engineer and safe.
>>131964902Alter Bridge actually tried and Creed didn't.
as anon said, the music is bland and shitty it's just lame power chords with no solos
>>131965142>>131974568And it being "safe" is why it's actually popular now.People don't want transgression anymore. They want comforting familiarity. That's also the real reason popstars are all just astroturfed children of wealthy people, because people actually want the music industry to go back to the Sinatra days of everything being predictable and unchallenging.
>>131974794>why it's actually popular nowit was popular then, dummy
why does EVERY SINGLE butt metal/rock album have god awful cover art?
>>131974794>because people actually want the music industry to go back to the Sinatra days of everything being predictable and unchallengingexcept back then jazz was pretty cool and edgy
>>131963188Basically removed any soul from grunge and made it radio rock for normies. Although grunge itself was pretty radio friendly, so I don't know
>>131975717and you had the whole underground blues/R&B scene. the 50s were not quite so button-down as it seems just because of a few Perry Como songs.
>>131975697>why does EVERY SINGLE butt metal/rock album have god awful co-
It took off after widespread media consolidation in the mid-late 90s, so the forced exposure of hearing "How You Remind Me" or "It's Been A While" playing on 3 FM stations simultaneously made people quickly tired of it. Also, it was so unashamedly tasteless in its presentation, with names like Hoobastank and album covers like the OP, making it an easy target for mockery. So basically, a perfect encapsulation of the cultural (and later financial) decline of the average American.
>>131975938>It took off after widespread media consolidation in the mid-late 90smeh that was always the case. go back to the big band era and three NYC based labels (RCA, Decca, and Columbia) ran all of pop music. the industry during the 70s also consolidated in LA. there just so happened to be a fluke 20 or so years in the 50s-60s when things were decentralized and there were lots of regional labels.
>>131976000ask you why stuff started to go to pot in late 90s right when Millenials start becoming the main audience for music.
>>131976000Right, I'm not saying it's unprecedented. But the flattening of the entire media landscape was more complete following decades of deregulation. >>131976116People consume what they are given.
>>131976116>ask you why stuff started to go to pot in late 90s right when Millenials start becoming the main audience for musicdie, zoomer
>>131976000meh...people have it too good today and don't grow up in dirt shit poverty like prior generations
Alter Bridge is the non-shit version of Creed
zoomers talk a good game when the best they had to offer musically is Sabrina Carpenter and 2Slimey
>>131976306Sabrina was born in the 90s though she would almost be more of a late Millenial?
>>131963188it was the last vestige of white boy soul in music
>>131976405That's weird, because it was all utterly soulless and stunted music.
>>131963188Most of Creed's stuff sucks but their big hits are really nice. Don't remember the name but the song about his child being born is really nice
>>131963346That's exactly what the industry wanted. Controllable bands. The original grunge movement was too problematic. These bands actually believed in something. Retarded left wing politics, but it was something. They wanted bands that they could control. Not ones that would boycott Ticketmaster like Pearl Jam. The late 90s were the perfect time for the industry to do this since the original grunge bands were basically defunct. Nirvana was dead. Alice in Chains fell apart because Layne became a total drug addict/recluse. Sound Garden broke up. Stone Temple Pilots were dealing with Scott Weiland's drug shit, so they just manufactured their own "post grunge" crap since the public wanted more grunge and the original bands weren't giving it to them. Of course there was a big backlash because most people saw how soulless these new bands were and they were on the radio 24/7
>>131975866Imagine another timeline where Staind never had Fred Durst tell the vocalist to clean-sing more, never sold out to mtv, and managed to actually last longer as a numetal band than they did as radio rock sellouts.
>>131976967>That's exactly what the industry wanted. Controllable bands.so same as it always was outside the late 60s and early 90s
>>131976967I do agree that they wanted more controllable bands but it probably had more to do with the fact that the singers were all enigmatic drug addicts that wasted money and fucked up billings all the time.
>>131977027I agree and we know Journey were once called "a floor on the Columbia office building."
>>131977027It happened since the beginning of 50s R&R when they all went to jail/married underage relatives and other shit so there was an interlude of several years with safe, controlled teen idols and girl groups.
and beginning with disco, the industry tried to shoehorn everything into that dancepop aesthetic
>>131965142yeah but it was just a handful of hits >higher >with arms wide open>photographtake all buttrock combine it and you still don’t have as much radio play as >you are beautiful by aguilera >it’s my life by bon jovi >beautiful day by U2which were truly inescapable. >>131963375yup mu has been confusing post-grunge and buttrock for a while now because of the dumb narrative that nirvana led to it. this is what post-grunge sounds like: https://youtu.be/Wk4UgqEmgmYhttps://youtu.be/S6JXhMqZMnI
>>131977027except there was always a grassroots revolt against corporate music until the buttrock era and then there ceased to be any more resistance to it
>>131976364she was born in 99 so she's an early zoomer if you want to go by the pew research center.she's also culturally a zoomer. she has the zoomer foid mindset.
>>131977117>post grunge is actually some indie pop stuff nobody's ever heard ofwhatever you say
>>131977191the talent pool really dried up in late 90s. why that is can be debated without coming to a real conclusion.
>>131963198/thread
>>131963188Creed sucks, and God doesn't exist. There's no post-ironic "ackshually Creed is good and hipsters are stinky, betcha didnt see that coming :^)". They just suck plain and simple. Same thing with religion. God's not real, we already figured it out. It doesn't matter if an atheist wore a fedora and it was cringe or whatever, God still doesn't exist.
>>131978644One day you will grow up
>>131977191Things people say when their only knowledge of music is what's on north american radio. You'd think the music board would know about independent musicians, bandcamp musicians, european metal bands, etc. but I guess that's like expecting /g/ to know anything about technology or /v/ to know anything about videogames these days.
>>131963188Its the vocals. Trust me. Same reason I can't stand it.
>>131963188Because it was trying to be cool but in a trailer trash middle America Christian way that had nothing to do with the cool they were copying.
>>131965142>There were big art rock bands like Radiohead>Black Metal's second wave was going strong>tech-death was pretty big>and hip hop was in a sort of golden ageJesus fucking Christ, what fucking retarded alternate universe do you live in? Literally none of that shit is true. Radiohead was never big, except with some fucking hipster music journalists who deserved to get their fucking heads kicked in.Black metal was almost completely dead besides Dimmu Borgir and they were barely more than an underground band anyway.Technical death metal bands sold like ten times less than Judas Priest did by the end of the 90s and early 00s.And hip hop's golden age had definitely passed and there was basically only shit like Eminem and Dr. Dre left doing the worst kind of shit rap possible and swallowing the whole rap market.
>>131981780>and there was basically only shit like Eminem and Dr. Dre left doing the worst kind of shit rap possible and swallowing the whole rap market>in denial that he had their CDs when he was 12
Because right now the children of the brain dead retarded divorced gen X dads who listened to this are young adults
>>131973978well yeah but rap is platformed regardless of economic class so its probably just anti-white hatred from the Williamsburg class.
>>131978644its people like you that caused me to leave atheism for greener pastures. I'll pray for you. I miss the days when the Catholic church persecuted nonbelievers.
>>131965142I knew plenty of people who liked it and nu metal and ska (which I can't stand mostly). I was mostly into crossover and grindcore years before shit like Toxic Holocaust or Insect Warfare became staples so I was the weird kid in school who liked music that was practically unlistenable. In my digital design class there were snobby kids playing Save Ferris and Reel Big Fish and then I get on the computer and blast Mob 47 and Anti-Cimex much to chagrin of other students who absolutely hated me.
>>131981712a lot of people I knew loved it here in Ohio but it was too mellow for a budding edgelord like me. I mean I ended up listening to shit like Brighter Death Now and Mz.412 after awhile.
>>131963188Because it's a nothingburger genre that was just filler before Industrial Metal and Nu-Metal took over.
Awful derivative music filled with awful bands ripping off the original grunge bands. Most of the singers tried to sound like Vedder or Cobain also bad riffs, bad instrumentation, bad musicianship and bad songwriting.
>>131990698also none of them ever got laid
>>131976364yeah, but shes selling to a zoomer audience (clearly)it takes two to tango
>>131978630indie and small labels lost out in loudness warand you needed (expensive!) computers to do that shit
>>131963188Post-grunge is often mischaracterized. They are really talking about butt rock that overstayed its welcome but use post-grunge as a wrongly applied label for bands they don’t like, when in reality it’s related to bands who came after the early to mid 80s original era of grunge Nirvana for example is post-grunge (only released a record after some grunge bands already got signed by major labels) but aren’t included in lists often because they don’t want to shit on them. But they are still going to be post-grunge like Bush or Foo Fighters are
>>131994631Grunge is a badly delineated term.You say grunge is only the original era, but I doubt that's how it's commonly understood.Nirvana still emerged from the Seattle scene and should be considered part of it.All bands taking cues from the Seattle scene, but not actually involved in it are post-grunge.Foo Fighters are grunge, Bush isn't.
>>131994838>a badly delineated term.oh wow, check out mr. nerd-a-saurus over here
>>131963354Ted summed it up pretty good Same with the early 2000s
>>131963188Because outside of a couple of songs nobody liked it, yet it was relentlessly played on every major music outlet.Rember this was a time where you couldn't just stream vietnamese underground enka-metal, for the most part you were stuck with whatever physical media you could get or let mtv dictate your taste in music.
>>131994838>Foo Fighters are grungelol no.
>>131995259That why people hated Nickelback it was being overplayed in every radio station
