Rautavaara Editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkAfNx6_z9QThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenpreviously, on /classical/: >>131934694
now playingstart of Elgar: Enigma Variationshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMtSMo0HqzY&list=OLAK5uy_mPa1OISlPN01AtIlpysIUaE43AkkqIO9s&index=2start of Vaughan Williams: Symphony No. 6 in E Minorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61Ub8_Fft-M&list=OLAK5uy_mPa1OISlPN01AtIlpysIUaE43AkkqIO9s&index=16https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mPa1OISlPN01AtIlpysIUaE43AkkqIO9sShame Colin Davis didn't do a complete Vaughan Williams symphony cycle.
>>131958356I remember seeing a solo piano piece by Rautavaara that had fairly large chords in the right hand and an explicit note not to break or roll them. I have since been unable to find that piece again. Does anyone know what piece I'm talking about?
>>131958486look through the set of etudes and you'll find it.
>>131958356
>>131958495I scrubbed through the 1969 etude set on YouTube and it wasn't one of those.Sucks that his work is still under Canadian copyright, so it's not on imslp.
>>131958779it's the first piano concerto.
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LUO-O7QMSM
>>131958962Very nice, thank you.Unfortunately, it's not the piece I had in mind. I'm 99% sure the piece I have in mind is solo piano because I generally dislike the sound of strings (they sometimes physically hurt my ears).I'm listening to his Icons suite now and will continue going through his catalog. If I find it, I'll report back.
>>131958486>>131958962I think it's the last movement of Icons... but I could have sworn they were chords that were too large for me to play. Perhaps he has multiple pieces where he is explicit about not arpeggiating chords...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWWgUtA3YrQ
I'm going to my first classical concert next month, it's Tchaikovsky's violin concerto and Dvorak 8. What am I in for?
>>131959603a good concerto and a good symphony
>>131959603Great music, great pieces for a first show.
Sorry, Gieseking. Sorry, Thibaudet. Sorry, Ciccolini. Sorry, Bavouzet. Sorry, Demus. Sorry, Crossley. Sorry, Thiollier. Sorry, Paul Jacobs. Sorry, Pascal Roge. This set, by Noriko Ogawa, is my new official greatest Debussy solo piano cycle of all-time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVDGP02ydw8&list=OLAK5uy_lBcsG0KmCvkssx3q2mr3z8z71IRVcDQC8&index=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBN-JXscuQw&list=OLAK5uy_lBcsG0KmCvkssx3q2mr3z8z71IRVcDQC8&index=10https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTb5LWVEpyw&list=OLAK5uy_lBcsG0KmCvkssx3q2mr3z8z71IRVcDQC8&index=17Check it out, you won't regret it.>A recent transfer of the Gieseking cycle on Regis prompted me to make a detailed comparison between Ogawa and Gieseking in all the “canonical” works. Did we still need Gieseking after all these years? I concluded that, in ten pieces, he remains unassailable. In all the rest Ogawa equalled, and sometimes surpassed him. ---- Christopher Howell, MusicWeb
Christ, there's so many recordings of Chopin's Etudes. It's daunting deciding on one whenever I want to listen.
A lot of these older renowned performers, both conductors and soloists, it's surprising to me how small their discographies often are. I guess in those days, it was easier to elevate to the highest levels with a couple famous recordings of warhorses while dedicating most of your time to live performances, whereas now I'd imagine it's probably more like the opposite.
Been listening to Bach's sons latelyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j92ygfxA-fY
>>131957575>Aren't the only three complete Scriabin sets Lettberg, Alexeev, and Ponti?I think so, but they're all terrible.>so what's left?Don't do complete sets, build the composer's discography piecemeal.
>>131960306It really isn't. Only a few of them are truly great. Not sure what this general's obsession with listening to second and third rate interpretations is.
>>131961489peephttps://www.gramophone.co.uk/content/features/chopin-s-etudes-a-deep-dive-into-the-best-recordingsAnd there are much more.>Not sure what this general's obsession with listening to second and third rate interpretations is.Must be go round and round every time? It's the same reason you don't eat the same meals everyday. The same reason we wear different clothes everyday. The reason we talk about different things everyday. The reason we use different words to talk about those things everyday.In simple terms, B's recording of X might not be overall as good as A's, but B does things A doesn't, and maybe you wanna hear how B does it on that particular day. Sometimes I want my Chopin more taut, toned-down, classical. Sometimes slower, heavier, more romantic. Sometimes more chaotic, energetic idiosyncratic, personalized, indulgent. Then sometimes more relaxing, meditative, peaceful.
>>131961514There's so much great music, so many great composers and some under the radar, and so much listening to do! I can't imagine getting stuck listening to some Chopin pieces over and over again.
>>131961559Depends how often you listen to classical music I suppose. If only for like an hour a day (so a single recording) or every other day or just once a week, then sure, stick to your favorites or those highly acclaimed, you don't have time to waste. But I listen to classical music almost all day erryday, and the masterpieces (and near-masterpieces) in classical are the ones that get returned to over and over and over throughout one's life, so yeah, why would I keep using the same recording? By mixing it up, I can listen to Chopin's Etudes or Ballades or Nocturnes or whatever day after day after day without it getting old, because it's a unique performance each time (or at least most of the time, with my "50% of the time listen to a recording you already love, 50% of the time listen to a new one or revisit one you didn't quite love but might want to try again for whatever reason" approach).
>>131961580I listen to it 2-3 hours every single day. Feel absolutely no need to listen to more than 3 or 4 different recordings of the same pieces, and that's already pushing it. I've got a shitload of books to read too and maybe eventually films to see. I won't be alive for an eternity!
Another movie, another silly character making fun of those who like classical music.>context: speed dating>ugly weirdo: I really prefer Rachmaninoff to the heavier romantic composers. But despite the pan-Germanic anti-semitism, I'd still have to say my favorite is Wagner.lame. Also is Rachmaninoff not one of the heavier romantic composers? w/e
>>131961661Well, hey, whatever works for you. Maybe I'm just so wracked with guilt. For me, when I look up works on Amazon or YouTube Music or Gramophone or other music forums, and see how many acclaimed and beloved recordings there are, how many working talented musicians attempting to bring the music we all love to life through their own personal vision, I feel this sense of wanting to give as many as I can a fair shake. It's less like trying to find your soulmate and getting married and more like trying to read as many books as you can, only because of how classical music works, and the limited number of masterpieces, the real analogous experience is in recordings (ie if there were new classical pieces coming out every week like there are rock/pop/hiphop albums, then okay, sure, don't waste time trying hundreds of recordings for any one given work).But of course I don't mean to diminish anyone's experience. You clearly love classical music. So whatever is working for you, you keep on it. For me, however, like I said, I feel this sense of duty to give as many worthwhile releases a try as I can, because these are people dedicating their life to the craft and studying the work, so the least I can do is give it a try. I've always had problems with feeling too much guilt though.
>>131961668don't forget to take your medicine
>>131961805Stop acting like I make this stuff up! I give you examples and evidence each time.
>>131961812it's real in your mind
>>131961820I literally typed the line verbatim as it is in the film...
>>131961825yes, the movie that exists in your mind
>>131961838It's from the movie Hitch. I just watched it on Netflix.
>>131961844good luck with your condition
>>131961867Sorry I have great memory and pattern recognition. Sigh, I should have been a CIA analyst.
>>131961874all you should do is take your medicine
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abo_ANVramU&list=OLAK5uy_nIe5auw6SUxO5XaV0J-bc6S2bBKF07sgo&index=1
>>131961874assessments are being made.
Edward Picton-Turbervillhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL-f3nhQuvA&list=OLAK5uy_nPG7VdJj33NfzHHH2PTLxFjlpp0T4ysS0&index=1Contemporary English choral music in the traditional style.review,https://musicwebinternational.com/2026/10/picton-turbervill-eden-orchid-music/>Picton-Turbervill’s choral music has the epic sweep of a gothic cathedral, but the freshness and energy of the 21st-century. I hope we will hear much more from him in the future. ---- Aidan Gray, MusicWeb
>>131958356Will listen to any suggested string quartets (or similar) and write reviews for the first three replies to this post.
>>131962202Taneyev's String Quartet No. 7https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogc8ZrsyNEw&list=OLAK5uy_kHRC3GtI0Ym142WmhXOJkGGlFGLpVd94g&index=24
>>131962202Depends on if you're new, looking for more obscure quartets or reviewing recordings as opposed to music.
>>131962202Weinberg's String Quartet No. 4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ5En5FPbt0&list=OLAK5uy_kym1rJCtBg33XtkSVfi2CZqj1DQIHs9_8&index=1
I am always so excited whenever I begin a new Beethoven piano sonatas cycle.
>I Surveyed 787 Classical Music People. They Fall Into Five Types.Which type do you belong to? >Symphonist>Canonist>Baroque-First>Classical-Era Skepticis >OmnivoresInterestingly enough, they all share the early/mid romantic core (peak!). An interesting video overall, but would be more interesting with randomized sample, if such a thing is even possible in this case.>inb4 buy an adhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKf0afTpUPU
That dude made a survey on the taste and habits of classical music listeners, he just released the first results. It's kinda interesting but I hope he'll do some more in-depth analyseshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKf0afTpUPU
>>131962416>>131962419O_Osp00ky
>>131962416Startling synchronicity anon. I'm a symphonist pleb
>>131962419>>131962420Holy shit, we're such algorithm slaves. Lmao.
>>131962426I participated in the survey so I was keeping an eye on it desu
>Ctrl+F>"Mozart">1 of 1 matchfurther proof Mozart is underrated>>131962202Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65WyWFPGmzU
>>131962416>>131962419The classic-era skeptics is interesting, in that it's a common position which is surprising to me.
>>131962419>more than half of all the respondents are zoomersfucking dropped
>>131962476Not all that surprising. There's a lot of people who get filtered by the classical style because it's "predictable" and "boring", not understanding that it's just as much of an acquired taste as anything.
i'm literally not interested in anything that someone under 24 has to say
>>131962486Yeah major caveat. I'd like to see the results without them
>>131962511How else are you going to sleep with them?
>>131962424>>131962431I didn't take the test myself but I could be either except baroque-first and omnivore. Probably a symphonist, since I don't really dislike classical and modern period like skeptics and canonists respectively, but I don't love it either.>>131962476Doesn't susprise me. Classical is by far the most tamed, 'collectivistic' period of music, so those with strong individuality reject it and find no appeal in strict formalism made to appease the masses.>>131962503That's not what filtering stands for, bucko. Classical period is indeed predictable and monotonic, both are demonstrably true. Acquired taste implies that you had no ability to grasp the complexity and eventually, through exposure, you did. Classical period offers nothing of sort. Quit coping.
now playingstart of Sibelius: Symphony No. 3 in C Major, Op. 52https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puIctSZLOvY&list=OLAK5uy_kaaYqjGU5x97XwkSIm4gayFy8gjR6M5K0&index=17start of Sibelius: Symphony No. 6 in D Minor, Op. 104https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3te0IRGmas&list=OLAK5uy_kaaYqjGU5x97XwkSIm4gayFy8gjR6M5K0&index=20Sibelius: Symphony No. 7 in C Major, Op. 105https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptvLEcto6pQ&list=OLAK5uy_kaaYqjGU5x97XwkSIm4gayFy8gjR6M5K0&index=23https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kaaYqjGU5x97XwkSIm4gayFy8gjR6M5K0>Conductor Jukka-Pekka Saraste has been conducting the symphonies of Sibelius all over the world throughout his conducting career. Thirty-five years after his first recording of the complete cycle, Saraste returns to the symphonies of Sibelius with the Helsinki Philharmonic Orchestra-the orchestra with which Sibelius conducted the premieres of his symphonies back in the day.Released this year, this cycle is really good. Highly recommended.
>>131962561>appease the masses*appeal to the masses
>>131962212Tchaikovsky influences. Okay, something between Tchaikovsky and Bach. Strange combo. I'm still on Allegro so far. Adagio is beautiful, but to be honest not memorable. Scherzo is the first movement I really like. A bit similar to the first movement of Schubert 14th, the main repeating chord from it specifically. Finale was also uninspiring. >>131962243> Depends on if you're new, looking for more obscure quartetsI wouldn't say I'm completely new, but I'm sure there are a lot of famous quartets I haven't heard yet. Listened to most of Beethoven, Shostakovitch and Schubert quartets. > reviewing recordings as opposed to music.No, I'd rather review music.
Tchaikovsky's string quartets are sadly overlookedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5mLz5o6HUo&list=OLAK5uy_kct71rkGtYYmyhHnmXsT7e3xycltCGAG4&index=1>>131962202
>>131962202Brahms string quartet no. 1https://youtu.be/nWLe7ed8my0
>>131962032https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2020/17-july/comment/opinion/choirs-should-be-more-diverseLul
>>131962564Does he have any good Sibelius VC recordings?
>>131962677He recorded one 30 some years ago when he did his first cycle. I haven't heard it. Should be, at minimum, solid.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krcVqhJpR1E&list=OLAK5uy_l_J3FnnFHAni1_LyD2X8UvlQmfbEt0SQk&index=60I plan on eventually listening to his first cycle along with all the other Sibelius he recorded around the same time, including this performance of the violin concerto.
Cool musichttps://music.youtube.com/watch?v=ggoFnA7Kv3U&list=OLAK5uy_nB8Sw-yzlEKRvPrDqUInSnNnFJjat4RfA
>>131962561>Classical style>strict formalismpick one
>>131963298thank you musically illiterate sister
>>131963298ironically, you see a greater level of formalism among the romantics than you do the likes of Mozart in the classical style
>>131962476it's the lingering old-fashioned taste of the 20th century
>>131963422And other hilarious jokes you can tell yourself.
>>131963439>t.scriabinfag
>>131963494thank you imbecile
>>131962393Surely you must be running low by now...?
>>131962393>Hell yeah, another way to get Beethoven wrong, so excited!!!1!11!>And I'll just pretend it's just another way of playing Beethoven lol
>>131962416I'd say I'm a Classical-Era Slow Movements Sceptic. I like everything except Mozart's and Haydn's slow movements.
>>131961489how the fuck do you know what rate the recordings are if you don't listen to them
>>131961805>>131961820what's with this website and attracting autists who don't comprehend and yet try to simulate human comedy?
>>131962710Well it has the RCA Victor Red Seal so it must be good, right?
What are some other signs a performers body of work is not worth listening to?
>>131962561>both are demonstrably trueDemonstrate them.
>>131962561>That's not what filtering stands for, bucko. Classical period is indeed predictable and monotonic, both are demonstrably true. Acquired taste implies that you had no ability to grasp the complexity and eventually, through exposure, you did. Classical period offers nothing of sort. Quit coping.Impressively stupid paragraph. Smugly confident, yet completely wrong. Thanks for proving my point.
>>131963494Hey, Beethovianfag. You should really learn who you're arguing with. I'm scriabinfag and love Classical period music!
>>131963905no schubert repeats
>>131963905schubert repeats
>>131963905
>>131963988>performers
>>131963905Playing Chopin's 4th Ballade may demonstrate bad taste, but it surely doesn't invalidate someone's interpretations of worthwhile piecea.
>>131963988>no basic reading comprehension>aislopdo a cartwheel out the window
>>131963998>>131964003lmao troled
>>131964042>uhhh.. I was just pretending to be retarded!
>>131963925concession accepted, musically illiterate sister>>131963999There's nothing a pianist can do to demonstrate better taste than playing Chopin, let alone something as important as the 4th ballade.>>131963908I can demonstrate it. The problem is that you'll always ask more. Even if I provide more, you'll eventually start asking me to mathematically prove it's true, so I don't see any point in engaging. The fact that tonal, functional harmony of classical period is predictable needs no demonstration to anyone with functioning ears.
>>131964056You're welcome, my intellectually dishonest dilettante.
>>131964056Isn't baroque period tonal, functional harmony just as predictable?
>>131963782keep the schizophrenic rambling to a minimum please
>>131964078thank you musically illiterate sister>>131964090Not really. Baroque is more often polyphonic, which provides much less predictability than homophonic textures, combined with diatonic voice leading and very transparent forms.
Beethoven.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lELK7612gxI&list=OLAK5uy_lc6umkNxcKmn6NXM1-ifEKisWcu2udWz0&index=9
Who did it better?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrlAyokyKGUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKwtxP1P2BM
>>131963944>I'm scriabinfag and love Classical period music!my apologies, you're actually based>>131964454>Beethoven 3rdScherchen, obviouslyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4NamNcBlyo>Wagner's RingKarajan is actually great here
>>131964793Ah. I meant, who wrote the better Eb major chord.
>>131964825Beethoven
>>131963944And I like both Scriabin and classical period as well, what's your point, retard?
Life's too short to listen to Beethoven's 6th
Life's too short to listen to Beethoven's 9th's final movement.
>>131965013I always substitute Brahms' 1st's final movement.
>>131965019Good idea.
>>131964300Hm... yeah no, this cycle is nothing special. Not all that hisses is gold.
>>131963905>sub 20min either of the first two movements of bruckner 7dismissed
Way too amazing.https://youtu.be/Pj6EGBOdzq4?si=LEv1h9NZdxDFo4ga
>>131963905>sub 9min first movement Hammerklavierdismissed
>>131963905>over 6 minute first movement Mozart 40thdismissed
>>131964056Evidently not.
How's that Violin and Piano playing coming along bros
>>131963905They're anti-semitic.
>>131965361Poorly. I've hardly practiced at all these past couple years.
>>131965372You can't be cucked like that. Get on the stool or get in the closet right NOW.
>>131965383Y-Yessir!
>>131964793>my apologies, you're actually basedYou too. <3>>131964934I wasn't talking to you!
>>131965361piano is going well but practice during the work week is tough. I have far more time to practice on the weekends, but with the fall foliage I find my mind drifting elsewhere.>>131965479hmm...maybe I've been too harsh on Scriabin.....
>>131965627All of my teachers and even the great players and composers had to suffer when everyone was a farmer. You gotta do it. I'm starving and pretty much in poverty, but I still come here to listen and I watch and read how to do it. Because this is one of the only things that makes me happy in life.
I want to learn to sing properly.Do any of you have a decent video course you could recommend, paid or not, that I can follow that's not going to have me sing T Swift shit? I know actual in-person instruction is best, but that's just not on the table for me right now.
>>131964090Nah as the exoticism metastasized the western music became predictably pentatonic, abandoning the spontaneous and evolved nature which the greeks had cultivated Music literally imported the third world and became it
>>131965349thank you retarded sister
>>131965734https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02r2ElBh44I&list=PLVEohUrTyyjc03c2S82RN0U1Fh_F75TQ8
>>131965842You're welcome loser sister.
>>131965880thank you teenager
>playing Ballade 4 is considered bad taste nowWhat did I miss
>>131965972Everything is bad. Only Mozart and hyper-specific kino is allowed.
>>131965972Playing anything but the ballade 4 is bad taste, actually.
>>131963905>born after 1890'sdismissed.
I don't care if it's overplayed but Ballade 1 is peak solo keyboard. With maybe only D.899 matching.
>>131965852Thanks, looks good.
Has anyone else noticed the following composers are entirely translucent?>Haydn>Schumann >Brahms>ProfokievI don't understand how people like these guys. They are 100% translucent. It is like a hollowness erupts in your chest within 30 seconds of listening, you yourself are in danger of becoming translucent and perhaps disappearing.
>>131966165Your welcome. Are there any Lieder or Arias in particular you want to sing?
>>131966233Let me enlighten you:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WoWrjdQGdohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9TZB3nI71ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bugzbO3G2Q0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VW7GLe0WnE
>>131966233take your meds
>>131966242>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXMUpqSyJJo&t=859sMovements like In Deine Hände, but also the following '... Im Paradis' are certainly in a league of singing I aspire to. The high pitch of the first example might out of my reach though. I'm not aspiring to become a classical performer though, I want to create my own music. And sing on it if need be. I've been complemented by choir directors on my voice before, so it might not be a total disaster. I'm tired of waiting on other people to be able to make music.
>>131965349kek
>>131966279I knew it would be Creation before I clicked it. When are you gonna stop spamming this garbage?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoEGxA1--_M
that cat ain't listening to shit
>>131962261First movement starts suddenly. I thought you linked something in a middle. Liked second and third movements. Overall it's very violin heavy, no? Sounds more like accompanied violin rather than a quartet of equals. Last movement so-so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C8b0J4wpGI
Schuberts 5th is better than anything Haydn ever did
>>131966862>third-rate symphony by a second-rate symphonist is better than anything the father of the symphony ever didbait used to be believable
>>131966862Correct.
No matter how many times I listen to Ravel's Ondine (and the rest of Gaspard de la nuit) it always bores me to death except for the part around the climax, which is genius. I'll never get into Ravel.
>>131966924>He was (effectively) the first and wrote the most symphonies, therefore he must have been greater than Schubert (not true, by the way)
>>131967001Let me help you out>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VVsEkIYH774&pp=ygUsdHJvaXMgYmVhdXggb2lzZWF1eCBkdSBwYXJhZGlzIG5pY29sYSBqZW5raW4%3D
>>131965972They're talking about the run-time, presumably.
>>131967001It's important to remember pretty much everyone plays Ravel a little differently. That's why there's like a bajillion sets. Secondly, start with Pavane. Try this sethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3t3vVx5FNQ&list=OLAK5uy_kmjpbi3e53wxyrRmkZrecIqoTO3DuYzvw&index=3and here's your Ondinehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsQ8QlNWrCk&list=OLAK5uy_kmjpbi3e53wxyrRmkZrecIqoTO3DuYzvw&index=13I know the feel because there are some acclaimed sets that I started out with and I was like "I don't get this at all" but then I tried some more sets and just realized it's how you play it.
>>131966233schizo nonsense #27381
>>131963905Getting posted here
>>131966279That's the power of choral music, baby.
Sometimes I feel like emailing certain music reviewers, asking if they've tried such-and-such recording and what they think about it and if not, I highly recommend it, but I stop myself.
Listen to Thomas Ades' Dantehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzT_winwDJU&list=OLAK5uy_mwSCSusYt4RcF-IlIJLSzOX_-k2R5JJUo&index=5Classical music is (NOT) dead.
>>131967365You should. There's nothing wrong with that.
>>131967365There's Grindr for that.
>>131967523>Hey, Jed Distler, was wondering if you have time to listen to this great set of Bach's Goldberg Variations that I didn't see a review for on your site. I really think it deserves some recognition.>Sure, who's the performer?>*sends dick pic* You like?
Midori's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAI9OFvtYRk&list=OLAK5uy_lprUdF9mOGB6jfSx3yFbfEgrkiyH46yS4&index=5
I will not accept Papa Haydn slander!
provocative comment.
>>131967779derisive reply
>>131967800spiteful retort.
>>131967809sardonic dismissal
>>131967382Is this the great tone poem of our time?
>>131967833i've seen pieces by conservatory students that are better than that dogshit.
>>131967854You really don't like it? I just don't get you guys. I swear if it was a Stravinsky piece y'all would be all over it.
>>131967864it's not even an original piece of music. that retarded faggot just made an orchestration of Liszt's Bagatelle sans Tonality. I want you to go and take a long look at your reflection in the bathroom mirror and ask yourself why you should even be allowed to post on /classical/.
Schubert’s best symphony is the Berio Rendering
>>131968015It's actually 8, the Great Unfinished.
>>131967998>that retarded faggot just made an orchestration of Liszt's Bagatelle sans Tonality.oh so it is good then?>I want you to go and take a long look at your reflection in the bathroom mirror and ask yourself why you should even be allowed to post on /classical/.I paid the entrance fee just like you and everyone else.
>>131967609Not impressed with her chaconne desu.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB4Zak7NKqc&list=OLAK5uy_m4DFUjXSILH3uib4P4XC8Z8v5lRcH0wRk&index=1
>>131968034you can't buy your way into /classical/.
>>131963728>>131963749On the immediate backlog of unfamiliar Beethoven piano sonata cycles:>Backhaus (mono)>Daniel-Ben Pienaar>Irina Mejoueva >Serkin>Gould>Eric Heidsieck>Michael Levinas>Andrea Lucchesini>Kazune Shimitsu>Stewart GoodyearAnd this of course doesn't include ones I've only heard once before and want to revisit (I'll spare you the list) or ones I love and want to revisit (which, obviously, delays going through the backlog). So yes, still plenty to explore!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGefyAvRwJk&list=OLAK5uy_nKfn8_wiOst0R9vj32F8ttyR3Ah0rkzUM&index=18
>>131968190Lovely!
>>131968352oh I forgot John O'Connor but I'm still debating if that's actually one I want to listen to.
>>131968366I know, right? Never would have thought you can get this level of a detail from a recorder.
>>131968030no way, Schubert’s material for the 10th is vastly better than everything in the 8th or 9th
Schubert sucks cock and the greatest thing about his 8th symphony is the fact that it wasn't finished.
>>131969150He only needed 2 movements to make one of the best symphonies.>>131969001It's def very good stuff but we'll never know.
>>131969150Don't ever post shit like that.
>>131969452the only shit posted in these threads are links to Schubert on YouTube.
>>131969516Starting to get extremely mad at this point.
>>131969522get raped.
>>131969516https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWxvShwWp88but wait there's more.
Let's see what's new on The Classic Review today. An orchestral set by one Florent Schmitt. Can't say I've heard of him before.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNax52u2N-M&list=OLAK5uy_ncMbsq28AgU3E7DhV1vwqjwzBQvC0oFD4&index=1>The French composer Florent Schmitt was born in 1870, in Meurthe-et-Moselle, close to the German border. He studied music locally before entering the Paris Conservatoire aged nineteen, where he studied with Gabriel Faure, Jules Massenet, Theodore Dubois, and Albert Lavignac. Winner of the Prix de Rome in 1900, Schmitt saw his post-romantic music regularly performed in France before the second world war, but subsequently his music became neglected and is now very rarely played (or recorded). This recording of his Symphonie concertante, featuring Peter Donohoe as soloist, is only the second commercial recording of the piece. Cancunik, 'Suite in Two Parts', was composed for a competition run by the Compagnie francaise de radiophonie which oversaw Radio-Paris. The suite won first prize, and here receives it's premiere recording. The other pieces on the album (Three Dances and Memorial) are orchestrations by the composer of his own works, originally written for solo piano.
>>131971534oh whoops, forgot the review,https://theclassicreview.com/album-reviews/review-schmitt-orchestral-works-peter-donohoe-bbc-philharmonic-orchestra-yan-pascal-tortelier/Get it while it's hot!
>>131969273>He only needed 2 movements to make one of the best symphonies.Here's an interesting experiment: Take the first two movements from any great symphony, and that's the entire work. Which one is the best?
>>131971653Bruckner 7
>>131971653Mahler 6
I'm converting HC Landon Robbin's 1791: Mozart's Last Year to epub. I've known about it for years but never read it and took this opportunity to do both simultaneously. The book as you might expect gets progressively sadder towards the end, but this note from Contanze broke my heart.
>>131971960take it to /lit/, fucktard. >>>/lit/
>>131971960>Posterity has not seen it in two hundred.The Mozart cult is alive and well.
>>131971960Thank you for your service
Gloria! Gloria!
Lieder morninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msfH_Cza8lA&list=OLAK5uy_nIn0HPtXWLlLuH4ZWsknwN49mcJpgxivg&index=1
now playingstart of Schumann: Kreisleriana, Op. 16https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K21CgQo8hXU&list=OLAK5uy_kLvjxOhiUrIIAnl9P6uZ39SgqzCvQx4pQ&index=2start of Schumann: Fantasie in C Major, Op. 17https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE2QKCUuqqM&list=OLAK5uy_kLvjxOhiUrIIAnl9P6uZ39SgqzCvQx4pQ&index=9https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kLvjxOhiUrIIAnl9P6uZ39SgqzCvQx4pQYou can trust anything recorded and released by Klára Würtz. She's consistently wonderful.
Listening to Schulhoff symphonies -- very fun!
Listening to Schulhoff symphonies -- very crap!
Listening to Wagner's symphony -- very crap! No wonder Mendelssohn tossed it into the trash.
>>131969273the 2nd movement is virtually complete and the first and third movements were almost entirely sketched outobviously there is no way of knowing how much of the material would have gone through revisions, but the material there is easily Schubert's most original>>131971960thanks anon!
>>131962473I listened to it, but would not be able to distinguish it between his other twenty+ quartets. Mozart is Vivaldi of Classical era.
>>131971960I'm glad she loved him no matter what.
If I had a wife like Constanze, I'd be the happiest man to ever live.
>french compoisseur
>>131971653Beethoven 9
Schumann.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2136uVMvZZM&list=OLAK5uy_mtqdCVav1FVEGv5t6m7ml91BttL_KDXy0
Listening to Mozart symphonies -- very crap!
>>131973790Hmm... sounds a bit rushed.
>>131974053Some people like that. In fact I think Hurwitz considers it one of his reference sets.
>>131962511beyond based
I thought I can't play guitar.So I bought a Yamaha keyboard.It turns out I can't play a keyboard.
>>131974358Buy a violin next.
you say you don't like Strauss' tone poems, I stick my hand up and walk awayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPM_sKPZGPY&list=OLAK5uy_nPz5rvmfvxJ76W-IJUaHhz7rY16nNersc&index=8
>>131974404kek
Joke: Piano TrioWoke: Sonata for violin and cello
>>131973823further proof Mozart is underratedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdaTvZJsRmQ
now playingstart of R. Strauss: 4 Letzte Lieder, TrV 296https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRWLaS3hbmk&list=OLAK5uy_nXPijSBMgH09q-zgdSQMMDx-kT5llAqKo&index=2start of R. Strauss: Ein Heldenleben, Op. 40:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wlZf9laACc&list=OLAK5uy_nXPijSBMgH09q-zgdSQMMDx-kT5llAqKo&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nXPijSBMgH09q-zgdSQMMDx-kT5llAqKoOh, how I would love to hear these works live in concert! Hopefully Barenboim and the celebrated Netrebko do them justice.
>>131971960Heartwarming, thanks for sharing.
nicolas gombert is the anton bruckner of the 16th century. discuss.
>>131966862you've been listening to classical music for 6 months max.
>>131974977I don't know who that is.
The Ring calls to me...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFfg1MZjjjE
>>131975119for me it's Keilberth 1953Martha Mödl>>>>
>>131975136>Keilberth 1953that's an uber-hipster choice
——NORMIE——SoltiKarajanBarenboimBoulezLevineHaitinkBöhmFurtwängler (1953)JanowskiLeinsdorfKempeKeilberth (1955)SawallischFurtwängler (1950)KnappertsbuschKraussKeilberth (1953)MoraltGoodall——HIPSTER——
>>131975119This Hunding is a bit rough around the edges.
Reminder: if you don't think all 32 of Beethoven's piano sonatas are masterpieces, you just haven't heard the right performancehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVpNjAASubk&list=OLAK5uy_nlO9ovxzNCqy_dKbUOohy3Ztl-VBVG_VQ&index=27
>>131975655If you want me to listen to a brazillion recordings of second-rate pieces, you're gonna need some better apologetics.
>>131975119>>131975136>>131975172>>131975309ALL Bayreuth recordings of Wagner's Ring should be immediately thrown into the trash
Die Walküre.................... walte............................................................... frei!
>>131975119I forgot how tedious Wotan's monologue in act 2 is. Ugh.
Ive heard Bachs Goldberg, Brandenberg, mass, and his Art of Fudge, where do I go from here if I want the full Bach experience?
>>131976213Das Wohltemperierte Klavier (both books)the partitas for pianothe chromatic fantasia and fuguethe sonatas and partitas for solo violinthe suites for solo cellothe Saint John Passionthe Saint Matthew Passionthe orchestral suitesFINAL BOSS: the complete cantatas
>>131976246danke
And Jacob awaked out of his sleep, and he said, Surely the Lord is in this place; and I knew it not.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i14GhylrjfY&list=RDi14GhylrjfY&start_radio=1
Thinking of going as Glenn Ghoul'd for halloween. Overcoat and cap with ghoulish face paint. Its Toronto so enough people would get it I think.
>>131976422need to carry a fucked up little chair with you
>>131975655If you think all 32 of Beethoven sonatas are masterpieces your standards are below shit-tier and you're a literal poser.
>>131962657Thank you!First Quartet.First and third movements: well, that's very classical of you, Pyotr.Second and fourth are more interesting, especially second. Ok, went and looked at the wiki: he wrote hist quartets between 1871 and 1876. That puts them around his third symphony (1875) but before his more famous trio of symphonies: 1878, 1888, 1893. But apparently at the same time as Swan Lake 1875-1876. Okay, first one sounds very classical. imslp lists it as romantic but you have to admit some parts of it straight from classical period. Fourth movement around 6:00 sounds like waltz. Now really excited to see if there's any evolution with his third quartet. First movement. Well, okay no classical here. I find it kind of strange. It kinda tries a bunch of things but nothing sticks. Really picks up after 7 minutes. Wow it really changes A LOT. Second movement. Strange.Third movement. Funeral march! Something familiar! YAY!Fourth movement. More strange.I'll definitely give it a repeat listen. I understood almost none of that. Except for funeral march, which I recognized before reading the movement name. That's why I was so happy about it. Chamber Tchaikovsky differs considerably from Orchestra Tchaikovsky. Any recording of his second quartet you'd recommend?
>>131977933The Borodin set is the gold standard.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XMAzZ2YSMs&list=OLAK5uy_lAdBAxs-5Zk_l38ZXKOH7xA5dUum9xCec&index=11and don't forget about the sextet!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yprXNX5yF9U&list=OLAK5uy_lAdBAxs-5Zk_l38ZXKOH7xA5dUum9xCec&index=6Glad you liked it.
>>131978135Thank you! I'll give it a listen.
Hard pills to swallow:1. Tchaikovsky outside orchestra sucks cock (no pun intended).2. Only 1, at best 2 recordings of any piece is worth anyone's time.2.1 and they almost always hiss.3. Schubert's chamber music is unparalleled.4. If you disagree you should chainsaw your fingers off and stop bothering people.
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>>131978192>4. If you disagree you should chainsaw your fingers off and stop bothering people.ok now whaz,bzcszjdvidop'
>>131976422I will find you Anon.
I agreed to hand out candy for my family this year. What classical music should I have blaring so whenever people knock on the door they become initiated to the wonder of classical music?>>131976422Make sure to play some kind of persistent hum on your phone as you walk around.
>>131968366Here she's playing Vivaldi Four Seasons. With recorder on violin part? Oh, and it's her arrangementSpring. 2:00 - 2:30 wow lungs on this girl. Huh, Spring again. But now with recorder and cello only?Okay, Spring third time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxsuJ7L_fkQ&list=OLAK5uy_kj8DJI2OciIvNiforu8IdSVkNfus75mr4&index=10
>>131978274https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWMUP30w7Wo?is=IVOPCjwO4eTJRq2H
>>131978192Hard pill to swallow:your life is a net negative to your fellow men and choosing not to kill yourself is selfish at best
post 5 pieces everyone should listen to
>>131975785notice how no one replied to you in over 5 hours just like in real life?
Sigmund Romberghttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bpIdoVLu_BI&pp=ygURT25lIGFsb25lIHJvbWJlcmc%3D&ra=m
>>131978813https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GIASCCPHiYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOzwicNcopQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbXGRLPvtFMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeTFxbsVGrIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gWorjgYrmI
Speaking of hipster recording of Der Ring, I have recently (and very thoroughly) remastered the 1952 Keilberth Gotterdammerung. In my opinion, it's easily the best Gotterdammerung from Bayreuth during the 1950s, and one of the best of all time. Keilberth gets a far better result from the orchestra by comparison to the sleazy Kna in 1951, and better than Krauss in 1953. Max Lorenz's last performance as Siegfried shows his age, but he's in better form than he was for Furtwangler in 1950, and he's still a top tier Siegfried. His experience at this point was decades of singing the role, and while Melchior always had the better voice, I don't think there was ever another Siegfried that quite understood the text like Lorenz did. Absolutely top tier acting, and his German is so clear you don't even need a libretto to follow along.Unfortunately, this recording is beyond dim in its current incarnation on streaming platforms. I actually went and split the orchestra / voice signals from one another and performed separate balancing, since the orchestra was so fucking quiet by default. There were also tons of coughs, audience noises, stage noises, etc. that got in the way of the music that I reduced or removed. Never at the cost of the music signals themselves. Anyway, here it is.https://gofile.io/d/Ha9hXEZL
>>131978813Bach - Cello Suite No. 1Beethoven - Piano Trio No. 7, ArchdukeRimsky-Korsakov - ScheherazadeTchaikovsky - Violin ConcertoChopin - Four Balladeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtkVvrc8OHEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uggchtxdvbAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApUuL-Fg0Wkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhSxS6UnXBohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzJYbaAp7eQGuaranteed to convert anyone with a soul into a classical music lover or your money back!
Wagnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNEG-o-8Ahs&list=OLAK5uy_lc4tBmw9CRUUx2fuNC42s8TLThpnilrrE&index=131>>131979150Very cool. Much appreciated as always!
>>131978192>2. Only 1, at best 2 recordings of any piece is worth anyone's time.So the thousands of other musicians, conductors, producers, audio engineers, and labels are just conning us out of our time and money?
>>131978813>Verdi’s String Quartethttps://youtu.be/jg8yuiRUiwc>Brahms’ 2nd String Quintethttps://youtu.be/MGiM7Nc9dJE>Weber’s Euryanthehttps://youtu.be/qJA74llQdE4>Berg’s Wozzeckhttps://youtu.be/GBStKe9rYwU>Beethoven’s Diabelli Variationshttps://youtu.be/m0ud7EwbPaY
Oh god! I tried traveling to the Wagner festival but somehow ended up in Lebanon. HELP
BACKHAUSISGODhttps://files.catbox.moe/u1l6ty.flac
now playingstart of Atterberg: Symphony No. 6 in C Major, Op. 31, "Dollar Symphony"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3-7pmmC0B8&list=OLAK5uy_kXCffb9ECD8D_5cDxyr8V-DLDmm_dC8w4&index=2Atterberg: En varmlandsrapsodi (A Värmland Rhapsody) , Op. 36https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykbc0RRKpdI&list=OLAK5uy_kXCffb9ECD8D_5cDxyr8V-DLDmm_dC8w4&index=5start of Atterberg: Suite No. 3, Op. 19 No. 1 for Violin, Viola and String Orchestrahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCYo4Htw3c0&list=OLAK5uy_kXCffb9ECD8D_5cDxyr8V-DLDmm_dC8w4&index=6start of Atterberg: Symphony No. 4 in G Minor, Op. 14, "Sinfonia piccola"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcpVvsFw5pY&list=OLAK5uy_kXCffb9ECD8D_5cDxyr8V-DLDmm_dC8w4&index=8https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kXCffb9ECD8D_5cDxyr8V-DLDmm_dC8w4>In 2010 Neeme Jaarvi began his Scandinavian project, offering up idiomatic performances of Norwegian composers. Similar in approach, this new survey turns to Sweden, with Jaarvi conducting the Gothenburg Symphony Orchestra in orchestral works by one of Sweden's leading composers of the twentieth century, Kurt Atterberg.
>>131980308Inshallah.
I wish Mozart and Chopin were still alive.
>>131980901We know, Thaikovsky.
>>131980922>thaikovsky
Hard pills to swallow:1. Mozart really does all sound the same.2. Beethoven’s Grosse Fuge is just plain ugly.3. Wagner’s operas are much better with cuts.4. No one cares about the first three movements of Berlioz’ Symphonie fantastique.5. Schoenberg’s music never sounds more attractive, no matter how many times you listen to it.6. Schumann’s orchestration definitely needs improvement.7. Bruckner couldn’t write a symphonic allegro to save his life.8. Liszt is trash.9. The so-called “happy” ending of Shostakovich’s Fifth is perfectly sincere.10. It’s a good thing that “only” about 200 Bach cantatas survive.
>Mozart really does all sound the same.False >Beethoven’s Grosse Fuge is just plain ugly.Correct>Wagner’s operas are much better with cutsPreferably entirely >No one cares about the first three movements of Berlioz’ Symphonie fantastique.True>Schoenberg’s music never sounds more attractive, no matter how many times you listen to it.True>Schumann’s orchestration definitely needs improvement.True>Bruckner couldn’t write a symphonic allegro to save his life.Eh>Liszt is trashFalse>The so-called “happy” ending of Shostakovich’s Fifth is perfectly sincereTrue>It’s a good thing that “only” about 200 Bach cantatas surviveTrue
Brahmshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gelimia6qdk&list=OLAK5uy_lmJi4JdtWJ9L2HtqwWk8Lg9zFBtUoJWNA&index=8>Anna Fedorova presents the late keyboard works of Brahms. 'These works feel as if he is speaking to us in a more private voice than ever before. The music is deeply personal, full of tenderness, nostalgia, love, and quiet reflection' says Fedorova. 'His lifelong bond with Clara Schumann remained a central part of his inner world. She was among the first to see these manuscripts, and her presence seems to quietly accompany them.' Op. 117 are three sets of melodies without words. Of Op. 118, Clara wrote: 'It is simply marvellous how your inner self seems to bubble, shine and whisper, constantly imbued with the grandeur and depth of your ideas!' With Op. 119, the keyboard seems once again to contain an entire orchestra, just like the early works that the young Brahms had presented to Robert Schumann forty years earlier.
>>131981337Simple as.
big budget Bax symphony cycle when???https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frP191CDd7w&list=OLAK5uy_nSBOmt7ItlgpPT4gtYulVo5YyXjMDKfvY&index=16
Anyone got some recommendations for easyish piano pieces I can learn? Something on the level of BWV 988: Aria or Prelude C Major, BWV 846
>>131981661You might find this guide usefulhttps://forum.pianoworld.com/Uploads/files/Graded_Pieces_Sorted_By_Difficulty.PDFHappy playing!
>>131981661fuck off.
Ji's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bs5qOh1zBE&list=OLAK5uy_l2J0OqHvioGiyn7B-a2-QY98HmGRKW9Qs&index=1>The Korean-born, US-trained pianist known simply as Ji is very much a classical musician for the 21st century. Having won the New York Philharmonic's Young Artists Competition at the age of just 10, he went on to study at the prestigious Juilliard School. Described by the Chicago Tribune as "a gifted, sensitive young pianist who is clearly going places," he has chosen Bach's sublime Goldberg Variations for his debut on Warner Classics. "Classical music is never going away," he says, "We live in very modern world, and it's our job to live in the moment, but it's also our job to respect and preserve tradition." For his first Warner Classics release Ji has perhaps made a surprising choice: not a spectacular programme of Romantic showpieces, but a discreetly sublime and often reflective work composed in the first half of the 18th century: Bach's Goldberg Variations. Writing of his fascination with Bach and his music, Ji has said: "Why do I feel this inexplicable emotional connection to someone I have never met?... Music, it's a magical thing that allows everyone to connect with the authentic emotions that another soul chooses to express."
>>131981738Thanks, ill bookmark that
>>131981742never post here again.
>>131981749>>131981740You aren't contributing anything to this thread
>>131981750kill yourself, faggot.
What's the most universally likeable solo piano piece? Bach's Goldberg Variations? Something from Bach's WTC? Beethoven's Appasionata? Beethoven's Moonlight? Chopin's 4th Ballade? Schubert's D. 960? A Mozart Rondo or Fantasia? Whether that means converting a non-classical listener or a piece every classical fan is likely to enjoy.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYBBV82u61Y&list=OLAK5uy_njAF2CsqDnOaMEiGlO5gf3jiLWBKiQnbA&index=5
>>131981766Every normie I know likes Debussys Claire de Lune
>>131981771Ah yeah don't know how I forgot that one. Or Beethoven's Fur Elise.
>>131981749It's actually quite good so far. peep this,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD1oHLPGzgY&list=OLAK5uy_l2J0OqHvioGiyn7B-a2-QY98HmGRKW9Qs&index=4
why does wagner have so many songs called foreplay
>>131981337This, but the exact opposite.Just goes to show how delusional mozartfaggots are. Grosse Fuge alone has more color than evey mozart opera and symphony combined.
>>131981781>>131981742Another overly muddy playing of Bach, clearly misunderstanding how the music is meant to be heard.
>>131981873Well thanks for giving a try.
art of fugue on harpsichord or organ, which one do you prefer?
>>131981742What a disgusting album cover.
>>131982841hey thanks man I really appreciate the feedback
>>131982841I mean he looks how he looks. Just tryna' appeal to Gen-Z.
>>131982837brasshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ewYbWvdBHY
>>131982949woah
>>131982968the brass-pill has taken you.
Its almost comical how much Gould fucked up his Mozart recordings
>>131983014I'm always impressed by how beautiful brass can be
>>131983016it sounds like you're implying Gould even gave a fuck.
>>131962659Last movement was fire, the rest is ehh.
Embarrassed myself in front of my peers because I mistakenly called Beethoven's E major symphony "Erotica"
>>131983051E flat*
>>131983016I'm actually enjoying them so far. But I like my piano Mozart a little weird. Played straightforward and seriously, they sound... well, I don't wanna trashtalk. But you add some flair, like Gulda and Gould, and it's great.
>>131958769Is this a good recording?
>>131983097It's probably the most popular and acclaimed next to Yuja Wang's. Whether it's good is up to you but you usually can't go wrong with Boulez or Zimerman. That said, everyone performs Ravel a little differently.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1hyEjZros8&list=OLAK5uy_nLaWvFXYzAJVtqsbpQWf1BQCm-zmUe1N0&index=2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Sb8WCPjPDsTchaikovsky was the connoisseur of melodies. I expect that he imagined castles, paintings and nature during his compositions. Listening to a Tchaikovsky piece makes you transition into a different gender. https://youtu.be/2Sb8WCPjPDs?t=122 This gay emotional surge that is brought by such a sublime piece of art. How can our generation even compare to such excellency? Just look at the state of current art, be it paintings or music, it is all degenerate and godless.It is better to just kill yourself than remain in such a stagnant and sterile world.
>>131982837Organ by some distance.
>>131981359>Of Op. 118, Clara wrote: 'It is simply marvellous how your inner self seems to bubble, shine and whisper, constantly imbued with the grandeur and depth of your ideas!'This is sweet.
Hard pills to swallow:1. Wagner raped your mind2. Wagner raped your mind3. Wagner raped your mind4. Wagner raped your mind5. Wagner raped your mind6. Wagner raped your mind7. Wagner raped your mind8. Wagner raped your mind9. Wagner raped your mind10. Wagner raped your mind
>>131981815Listen. This is /classical/, not "plebbit". We only discuss patrician refined music here. You are on the wrong bus stop, but instead of being a civil individual and leaving, you are instead creating a "ruckus" for the other waiting passengers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMw0EjLFPXw Wagner showed us the dangers of being a "faustian" man, not with long essays and tedious literature, but with elegant sound and smooth instrumentation. You are the devil, "Mephistopheles" trying to seduce us poor souls into degeneracy.W.
new>>131983359>>131983359>>131983359
the vagner meme
>>131981661https://www.pianolibrary.org/difficulty/1/
>>131981742Continue and be a regular poster
