why do i keep making these threads? editionProduction Resources:https://pastebin.com/pYGCLu6qhttps://pastebin.com/p2QUqMzj>/prod/ wiki - still looking for contributorshttp://mu-sic-production.wikia.comUse vocaroo to post WIPs.https://vocaroo.com/No youtube, soundcloud or other shilling websites allowedprevious:>>131868814>>131868814
/prod/ is over
>4chan down>got SO much doneright bros?
>>131914465I do anyway
I decided three guitars was the maximum amount of guitars you needed at a single time however I layered two hard panned overdriven guitar tracks over the three LCR distortion tracks and it sounds decent. Adds some subtle harmonic flavour tactile sound
>>131915228We get it you don’t know how to layer stfu
I made a 16 bar loop that I think is kinda niceThoughts?Worth arranging into a full track?https://voca.ro/1cn7UhezbMwY
>>131915286I just told you I layered successfully with 5 separate guitar tracks. Can you read?
>>131915573You’ve made the same post sans 2 layers 10 times before already begging for some kind of approval. Obviously you don’t know what you’re doing.
>>131915812Wtf are you talking about? You again have displayed your severe lack in reading comprehension. I have been layering guitars for a long time and they've never sounded poor. There's some high frequency build up but nothing that cant be carved out. My latest experiment was instead of quad tracking, I simply do LCR panning but I decided to add overdriven over the distorted tracks and it sounded good, that was the entire point of my post, because it's a fucking prod thread and we're supposed to be discussing music production. Is that clear enough for you?
>>131916036> I have been layering guitars for a long time and they've never sounded poorAnd yet somehow you’ve only just now arrived at one of the most basic techniques rock engineers use? Lol. Lmao even
>>131916264Go feed your stick people
>I decided three guitars was the maximum amount of guitars you needed at a single time however I layered two hard panned overdriven guitar tracks over the three LCR distortion tracks and it sounds decent. Adds some subtle harmonic flavour tactile sound
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMujrRl4rlc
>lemme just layer my axe on top of that>your voice so pretty i need to layer my axe on top of thatHave u techno bubbles got dem layers at all. Are you WET any?
https://vocaroo.com/1dKAiOX2LYl8quick beat b4 work
>>131923880sounds decent but no my thing so i can't really offer anything constructive, sorry
>>131925589that's not even what i meant to post but thanks anyways
>>131913631I've recently started learning and was curious how long it took you guys to feel like you weren't just messing with things randomly but actually creating something with intent. Best I can do right now is follow some genre templates to throw together something passable but lacking inspiration. Any tips to make the learning curve more rewarding?
>>131927511like any intent at all: probably like a year or three to truly “get” the form and somewhat have that and some of the relevant theory internalized.biggest advice is to be process oriented and just be excited to have fun with the little things instead of the resulting song. especially when you’re in the first five~ years of it- only extraordinary people make anything good early on, and even ignoring that it’s far more beneficial to you to just get hyped about any little victory like learning to make a certain sound, how a certain synth works, a decent chord progression, learning to play a song…growth and skill will just naturally follow if you keep having fun making small consistent progress
>put limiter on master buss with output of -0.3db>didnt even have to push the input to get over -8 LUFSwe've broken new ground here /prod/ators
>>131927511I recommend the YT channel "EDMTips". Yes, he's selling a class and book and consulting service... but his free videos are extremely good too, especially the ones where he builds a track from scratch for genres, and the ones on mixing.
>>131927511I feel like it varies so much based on if you have prior experience in music
how do you get really reverb heavy "atmospheric" sound without making it sound muddy?
>>131928539Are you sending your reverb to a separate channel? That makes it easier to filter out frequencies from the reverb that make it sound muddy. You probably don't need them for the effect. Also try sidechain compression to cut the reverb channel when your main instrument plays, so it doesn't crowd it out.
sometimes I imagine what Bach or Mozart would have been able to produce with a modern DAW
>>131928539context context context the crowd chantsprobably your reverb settings. more likely your arrangement and or volume.what exactly is making MUDDY should be diagnosed first.more often than not i (a reverb expert) do nothing to the reverb other than manually gate it and narrow it, because it is already sitting exactly where i want it. for more prominent effect like reverb sometimes a big notch in the mids is necessary for certain algorithms. need of heavy eq more than likely means you’re fucking something else up.>>131928771when people (not you) say shit like this i know they don’t actually listen to music or know anything about its development over time.like 1000% unironically they as they existed in their own time would not be pushing envelopes. they’d be making youtube gimmick experiments like the virtual riot “i heard you like amens :3” shit.merely funny displays of extreme technical skill, but not necessarily artistic merit. both thetrue boundary pushers and best songwriters of modern music are mocked in this general. even chuzo and the boomer agree with me.
https://vocaroo.com/12SQnaZhbEzEAny tips?
>>131929763reign in the highs on your bass so the synths cut through better. low q shelf.consider side chaining to or cutting the snare for the same reason
>>131929826Makes sense, thanks brodie
>>131928896>like 1000% unironicallyI'm sure you think this gives your opinion some legitimacy when discussing a 'what if' scenario about people that you never met that lived 200 odd years ago.>both thetrue boundary pushers and best songwriters of modern music are mocked in this general.name 3
>>131928896What do you mean with gate the reverb? what plugin do you use? Isn't gate effect used to make a sound swell up and down in volume really fast? gives sort of a ''trance-music'' effect
how does one fixing ringing and resonance spikes?
>mixdown project>had eq plugin turned off on guitars>mixdown again>drum program wasn't registering midi notes properly>mixdown again>had an entire mix summed to monosurely i get it right this time
>>131930209by manual gating, i’m referring to printing the audio, chopping it and manually controlling where the tail ends. i also automate fades everywhere but that’s not what’s meant by that term, technically.before i print, i just use utility in ableton to automate the gain for a cutoff.this all is extremely important if you’re autistic about loudness and cleanliness, but for the neurotypical person it offers great benefit by way of consistency and being able to physically see and manually control the volume of reverb over time, which is extremely noticeable in cases where you’re introducing compression or distortion etc. those things can cause dynamic and harmonic buildup through those effects, and the overlap, if left uncontrolled, may bleed when playing at the same time as other elements (i.e your tail is too loud for too long, so it’s playing at the same frequency as something else: “mud” (too many clashing elements at a certain spot).>>131930213eq you nerd. automate it. mult it. get an intern and make him do it
>>131930316>eq you nerd. automate it. mult it. get an intern and make him do itdesu i think i'd prefer to fix it at the source. might have to turn down the 57 mic
https://vocaroo.com/17Tln252n74y
>>131928896dumbest post itt
>>131932823Please dont derail this thread
>>131932883dont worry about me
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>my reference track doesn't have a radio editwell fuckI guess I can copy the Sandstorm arrangement
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>>131934585>not making a 7-12 minute long techno track the way God intendedngmi
>>131934870I do have that. It's currently 9 minutes longBut last time I posted something like that here, someone complained that it started off with just a kick and some randoms sounds. So I want to make a radio edit this time.
>>131934585i always copy arrangements, preferably in other genres than the track
Did everyone listen to the ten hour "A State of Trance Episode 1300: Amsterdam Dance Event Marathon"? Lots of good guests showed up for quick sets. There were some cute girls in the background too.>>131935605I feel like arranging is one of the things I'm decent at on my own. After listening to trance for so long, it all feels natural. But I don't listen to shortened radio edits often so I'm a bit lost there.
I spent 9000 hours in fl studio on thishttps://vocaroo.com/1a41YNDXsEBh
oh fuck this is good
>>131927939>-0.3dBFSI often wonder how necessary this even is anymore especially due to modern limiters using true peak reconstruction+oversampling. I also wonder how audible distortion from inter-sample peaks would even be when you're as loud as -8 LUFS
>>131936351it’s completely unnecessary and the intersample peak thing is wildly overblown- only applicable with the worst playback medium ever. look it up.typical myths spread from boomer hangovers by people who don’t know what they’re talking about.
>>131936423wouldn't you still get clipping if the stereo bus went over 0db?
>>131936968yes, but that’s not the same thing as an ISP, and the situation where it would ever matter is not going to happen.
>>131937022im out of my depth in this conversation. where should i begin to learn more about the topic?
>>131937066honestly just google it. maybe reddit there will be a reddit summaryhonestly i dont even remember the technical details about conversion or whatever but when you come across the actual pragmatic relevant bits it’ll be obvious what actually matters.
>>131937106spasibo
>>131937112i don’t know what that means but im going to take that as insult fuck you guy
>>131937148((((((nye khorosho moya brat
i can ignore bankruptcy
>>131936423dozens of anons have sperged out about supposed intolerable distortion in certain songs or glazed serban ghena snare transients and such which can only be explained that their playback systems don't handle intersample peaks properly
they also claim that lossy compression is extremely obvious even on youtube which uses modern codecs
>>131937795if you know anything about what causes that distortion you would know the chances are slim and it’s far more likely they were messing with you.source: it was me every time messing with you>>131937804okay if you can’t hear lossiness you’re just deaf though.which we know already, obviously.
>friend blasts me with his gay suno gens for a month straight>send him an actual good song>he says i hate when niggas is weird
>>131932757>https://vocaroo.com/17Tln252n74yplasticman ass beat
how to make a good stab sound?whats your techniques
>>131938297my technique is between me, Chris Johnson of Airwindows fame, and my hardware setup.
>>131938089KILL YOURSELF you will never be a successful music producer, fucking retarded schizo tier delusional, it's something wrong with your ears, your brain or your audio system if you hear a significant difference between decent quality lossy vs lossless audio files
meanwhile anons don't hear a difference between digital software plugins vs real studio hardware, even when it's just an emulator that runs the firmware with no attempt at emulating the ad/da conversion, and they're calling me deaf, lmao fucking delusional assholes
lexicon 480L has fucking garbage overrated reverb algorithms, supposedly lexicon pcm91 has more or less the same algorithms but they don't sound anything alike, real professionals love the 480L hardware because of the sound of the analog signal path, not for the algorithm alone
it is a very basic technique. you can be very artistic about it in regards to attack, body and tail. that autism is better directed at what type of distortion and special effects you use. you should be running it through your sampler (NOT airwindows derez5 or bitglitter), tube or tape like color. a classic unit like an alesis or one of those multi effect racks are also necessary for your reverb. most people think of the classic hall sound but ime the room algorithms that most prominent sound designers had access to as old out from the 80s are VASTLY overlooked. that classic color is part of the sound even if you can’t hear the tail end. you may have some success and easier access to more esoteric sounds through various 90s guitar pedals but they tend to be more trouble than they’re worth imo. again: NOT valhalla or your autistic airwindows. the amalgamation of coloration several times over and run through your pres cannot be replicated in your DAW. put in the work to do your research and acquire the real hardware instead of endlessly looking for plugins that redditors tell you are “good enough.”if you take the craft seriously and want to be a professional like me you will listen.
put it this way: enough sound information comes through from youtube demos that someone with good ears can pick out top tier gear that a talented person can make legit sounding hit records with. for example i oneshotted my endgame vocal mic so i chose it while also comparing it to and rejecting numerous other candidates from deciphering very limited youtube content, often just using incredible mind powers to compare mics despite not having direct A/B comparisons. whereas amateurs are easily impressed by things that aren't as directly relevant to making good music while overlooking the things that are relevant. so amateurs might glaze serban ghenea's mixes but it's more like a cargo cult because max martin and some others tend to use him but the success of their songs isn't as directly attributable to serban as these amateurs believe. they blow it out of disproportion as if serban is in a league of his own untouched by all other mixing engineers, that his mixes are sonic perfection in all regards at least within the genre of pop music.
oh please for the love of fucking christ, can this schizo just kill himself already
>>131939724KEK you're so fucked like you can't even imagine. you have to cope by telling yourself that i'm a schizo because otherwise it would mean that i do have the genius talent which you don't have and you have no chance of replicating, most people, including most anons, couldn't even get to any kind of respectable professional status within the music industry to the point of making more than a wagecuck job, let alone making the actual goated top tier kind of music. you're utterly inept, effectively RETARDED as far as making music goes, you can't learn to make goated music even if you spend your entire life trying to.
As a self-proclaimed mongoloid, I don't know shit about fuck when it comes to fluffs to mix toward and how much bedroom I need, but I like music and think it's fun:https://vocaroo.com/12n0sR6FYt6EHere's a remix I did of a rap song I like.
i ignored all advice and decided to squash my mix on the master bus with a 1176 style compressor with saturation capabilities and it sounds FUCKING SICK. this is why we mix lads
>>131938270link?
Still needs a serious mixdown real drums and maybe vocals at the end? Idk. https://vocaroo.com/1jYN0O48oKTL
Check out my buddy's website. He's selling plugins he designed himself. Cool stuff.styley.ca
>>131942978He should really bundle it with the daw that i got bundled, if he wants a proper gentleman like me to use it, buddy, guy.
>>131942978>>131943478His plugins are actually free, my bad, its the license you have to pay for to unlock full features on bloom. Softbox is totally free.
>>131941406link to what?
>>131935849Pretty good until the off-key beeps and added chords past the minute mark. Spoils the vibe a bit.
>>131936968>>131937066If I'm understanding you here, yes, but it's because your DAW processes audio in floating point (typically with 32bits of precision) and then exports to a fixed integer format like a signed 16 or 24 bit, so the extra information that would have otherwise lived above 24 or 16 bits gets truncated.
>>131944403And I probably shoulda said that intersample peaks are not the same as truncation (although intersample peaks CAN lead to clipping during playback). PCM is a band limited format and inter sample peaks are just part of how it works from both a mathematical and physics standpoint.
Does anybody just not understand how people can be alive and not want to create music or at least some other kind of art? I mean my first "beat" (if it could even be called that) was legitimately worse than the videogame soundtrack schizo anon but I've just been plugging away at it for years and despite improving at glacial pace I just have to keep making new tracks. I literally don't understand how people live their whole lives and never create anything (are these people even human?). Its actually baffling to me.
>>131944341Yeah I agree lol, it was a very lazy attempt at a drum fillI think with the right build up those added chords would be good but I'm just not good enough to make it work
finished the melodies, the sounds, the arrangement... just need to do some automations and all the incidental sounds and stuff like sweeps and buzzes and horns and crescendosit's gonna be a banger, I hope. I can post what I have now if you want
today I vibecoded fully working FL studio piano roll in Ableton with all the shortcuts and 100% identical control. It's a max for live plugin so it uses 0% CPU and doesn't need to be installed: it's a 5kb file that you just drag in your ableton. I'm not gonna share it because I fucking hate you
I think Shadow World has the best pluck of allhttps://youtu.be/JmuP6rQuSqM
>>131946662i literally dont care
>>131945541you're the one who's barely even human. any little kid has made drawings and they grow out of it while you're a full-grown adult who takes pride in making sonichu-tier ""art"". you don't want to actually put in the work to learn how to make professional quality music. you have lolcow tier ideas like you think plugins are good because they have a low noise floor like you think that's the important part. you think analog gear is obsolete. lmfao. you're actually a horrible person like most schizos are, wasting people's time and energy and actively harming people.
>>131946461>I can post what I have now if you wantyou dont need our approval. post it or dont, up to you
>>131949167I think I can probably finish it tomorrow actually
>>131949159sonichu is unironically art and has had a far more reaching impact on culture than you ever will from watching thousands of hours of youtube and shitposting on /moo/ for an audience of 5 people all day every day
why is it so hard to keep this general active? honest opinions please, where did we go wrong?
>>131950537The whole website is dead, what kind of answer are you expecting?Mods/jannies actively sabotage boards letting /pol/slop and trolls to run amok, and the ratio of real users to bots has grown worse over the years- /mu/ is among the worst hit boards.What little users remained in this general stopped coming, and they were never replaced, or at least the retention rate of users never recovered to a sustainable level. "The schizo" is easy to point a finger at, but he was only one catalyst in speeding up the demise of this specific thread on a board that was already in free fall.
>>131943570plasticman track
>>131951046pol slop and trolls are literally the only people on this website and it’s been that way the whole time, this website is actually looking better in the last two weeks than it’s ever looked the whole 6-7 years I been getting on it
>>131950537anons are full-blown retards and actively antagonize anyone with a brain so only the most persistent mentally ill and stupid losers stay here over the long term
>>131951360>it’s been that way the whole timere-writing history>looking better in the last two weeksi don't look at the worst boards enough to have noticed it, but that shouldn't be surprising at all given recent news
>>131950537music production actually requires some sort of work ethic and professionalism which is not in abundant supply on 4chan. i think when anons attempt to dabble and realise its years upon years of patience, dedication and passion, they jump ship
>>131946662someone vibecoded something exactly like this but for reaper, it didnt work so well when i tried it since i wanted MPE to work in a way that was more intuitive similar to bitwig or ableton, why would you like use this though? the ableton piano roll is ok already>>131950537board is already beaten to death, no new users come here really, spam bots and no one here bothers to actually reply to each other regarding their own original stuff, nothing happens about it
>>131952852also it takes innate genius talent that's why a handful of producers make millions and most self-produced artists don't make shit
not humouring you, nazi
>>131952930https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozYCtDQrFeo>huwhite>large forehead>large cranium>large brain>oy vey it's just a coincidence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9ayLUUR3lc
Looked for new (aka unkown to me) free plugins. Here is the shortlist that seemed interesting:Anina (Trackspacerlike)ZL Equalizer 2JS InflatorPitchnet (Melodynelike)
>>131951046This sadly. This place is the team fortress 2 of the internet.
>>131952857Because I mainly make EDM music and it's a pain for me to use Ableton's piano roll. It's not bad, sure, but FL's piano roll is godlike in terms of user-friendliness and ease of use
>>131916739this is the worst picture in the history of the world. kill yourself right now
>>131952852this.getting good at any artform is goddamn hard. with gen AI the writing is on the wall and people are less willing to toil if there’s no prospect of fame or recognition.>how do i know YOU wrote the song and not AI?
What's (You)r endgame plugin, anon?
>>131953540Anina is good fft wise but trackspacer theres another one called "Opressor" which i like moreif you want a good free unknown plugin, then Magic7 (Bricasti M7) reverbs which are really good, the plate onesBattle FX by unfiltered audio is good as well for creative stuffFirComp2 is arguably the best free compressor you can get>>131953937yeah arguably, but i really suggesting getting used to the ableton one, theres a lot of other neat features>>131954462ive seen this before, i think i would argue my endgame plugin would be Spectre by Wavesfactory, go saturation algorithms and really good for mixing and mastering
>>131954968>OpressorThis one looks great, downloaded it, will check the others as well
Okay here's the big trance track I've been working on, would appreciate any feedback. It's mostly done, I want to add some more drum crescendo stuff, maybe some sweeps, and tweak a few things, but that's all that's left.https://voca.ro/1bLBOuCIcgGuSorry about the length, it's a full extended mix, so
god i love stealing peoples’ music
>>131958748same. ive been selling it to local radio and tv stations for years now. the residuals are delicious
>>131958225Maybe it's just me, but I feel as if a track like this is better served with a higher average loudness and a brighter sound. Maybe I went a bit overboard with the EQ because I was lazy.https://vocaroo.com/1muSGahK63AP
>>131958813fucking frog posters istg
>>131958813Thanks, but I haven't really done a full mixing session or mastering on it yet, but I'll see what I can do to brighten the sound
>>131958225THE WORLD OF BASS
i always see people recommending high pass filters to reduce the "mud" but it really does rob your mix of any energy. im going to try shelving instead.
>>131959473it’s because people are suggesting a broad eq cut to solve a problem they haven’t even identified.define “mud.” (i will).it is a buildup of frequency that is irrelevant to a single sound, leads to an undesirable tone of a single sound, or conflicts with another sound.“just high pass bro” only maybe addresses those things in specific scenarios.anyway look at your arrangement or sound selection first. reach for a bell cut first unless you actually just have a bunch of low end you don’t want and you know why you’re cutting it.
>>131959473It depends on the source desu. Pass filters are great but they do remove content rather sharply and can cause issues related to phase. The whole "high pass by default!" rule is so fucking dumb. if you have an issue like DC offset or rumble or something in a vocal track, then high pass. If you don't want to completely remove frequencies below or above a certain point, shelf.
>>131959651yeah i get that frequencies build up in higher energy pockets which leads to much higher amplitude than wanted. normally they sit around the 100-300hz range to 1khz-5khz range. but most instruments and the human voice rely on these frequencies to actual sit properly in the mix. i always youtubers recommending just to high pass in order to get rid of those "problem" frequencies whereas it just needs slight taming
>>131951360
this current project is probably the most effort i've put into a project before but still, the results im after are hard to achieve.
>>131959926https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9-7OAVbQVKw
https://vocaroo.com/14JrZXXSNY4kloudness. anons mix into post a picture of it. the gear was never the bottleneck. your taste and your room are the bottleneck. acquire both, in that order.
I steal random tracks off the Internet and just post them here.
>>131962234You are not good enough to post like this, and random dialog samples don’t make your track interesting or schizo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il-9ID7PcBE
>>131963057i wrote the script you frickin pinko
haven't opened my daw in weeks want to finish this dnb projectbut am unsure how to progress with the bassline/ patternany ideas are welcomehttps://voca.ro/1fg9OYxVhDoi
>>131963483id commit to the bass hook completely with no plucks after the drop, strip it down and just build intensity. its a strong hook and the washy whatever drop kills it. i wouldnt make it any longer then it already is.
>>131928771I had a really long ass argument with a friend about this once years ago. My conclusion at the time on what Mozart in current year would make was Infected Mushroom, his Alan Walker or something mainstream IIRC (reason being "he'd make whatever is most popular/mainstream"). In hindsight I don't think either of us were right. Nowadays I'd say Whitearmor or some bullshit-level complex electro. But I actually know fuck all about what Mozart's music was like, I base it all on the assumption that it was technically impressive and very varied with some progressive elements (so I'd think that type of electronic music would lend him the most options to express himself), but I don't think I can actually remember any song of his off the top of my head lol. Maybe he'd not like electronic at all...
>>131942978I can't help but feel like the site and some of the plugin descriptions were AI generated. Am I tweaking?
>>131963726thank you anoni'll explore that idea then!
>>131958225cool I like it I only listened to the last 2 minutes for now but I loved the repeating saw (?) segment
>>131958854Thanks, but is this a positive or negative comment?>>131964137Thanks, though by the last 2 min it's already starting to wind down.
>>131964077It probably is all made using ai but why does that matter? It doesnt strike me as careless slop
>>131963483just commit to the same pattern, its good enough like that>>131962234tv changing channel each 5 seconds music, eh>>131942978it does seem like its vibecoded, i liked the ui of softbox, but other than that, you could just use Glitch2 which is free cause its lead dev and creator passed away. not sure about bloom.>>131959473i recommend watching the video of house of kush, about killing your mix with high pass filters, its a good watch
can any guitar vsts sound good and realistic? i got a real one cheap from a thrift store last year but i fucking suck i have no coordination.
>>131967214electric guitar specifically
>>131967214shreddage 3 jupiter + NAM, even then impact soundworks details what each guitar library is more suited forif you want an actual vst then an ample sound vst, but shreddage is the most realistic if you want to put in the effort to programming all of it, shreddage engine just does all the heavy lifting already, theres tutorials in their youtube
>>131967245cool thanks ill check it out
>>131963483I like it, good 2020 drum and bass vibes, but it feels a little "muddy" or somehing like that. Like the separate pieces are all great but something about the way they are put together seems off and makes the mix sound like they're all competing with each other for space and talking past each other. Idk how I'd solve this I'm not experienced.>>131964658Well it would make me wonder why I should give it any of my time or attention. If a plugin is handmade then that gives some sort of guarantee that the author's considered it interesting enough to give it the time needed to create it. With vibecoded software I have little of this promise.If the author didn't even bother to write the text on his website and instead had a robot do it, why should I bother to engage with any of it? Good thing he has the monetization already thought out though lol.>But if it's useful or cool lookingThere are many more useful and cool looking vibe-coded pieces of software floating around, and many that just look like it but aren't worth the time, and I can't just be trying them all out. Vibecoders flood the internet with hordes of e-waste, why should I be digging through it all just because "there might be a gem in this river of shit"?>Well nobody cares if *you* specifically download itMany other people that refuse to interact with vibe-coded software go by the same reasoning
Is "Dreaming on the Stairs" too cheesy of a song title? It's what my cousin called a mix cd back in the day. He passed away a few years ago. Was thinking about using as a title for a tribute song.
>>131968065its not super cheesy, i think its pretty if you actually make it in tribute
>>131962234sorry not sorry but this is way too naive to be smugposting. even just talking about the sonics before we get into the writing, you're leaving low hanging fruit like EQ moves that would make it sound better. there's no way that you're able to fully appreciate just how amazing the top 40 hits sound compared to amateur tracks. it explains a lot actually why anons have such strong opinions about music as an artform and how gear doesn't matter etc which aren't helpful to actually making great music because you can't even hear these things so you think you can just double down with this approach and assume that you'll eventually get good enough but in reality the top 40 hitmakers have been playing in a whole other league than you for decades.
shitpost hour is upon ushttps://vocaroo.com/1nnTdl9x9nnA
>>131929763I ya'd to it
>mfw someone bought my albumi-i made it bros
>>131971101>”you’ll ever make a million dollars or be a genius tier producer like me”
>>131964593mostly positive, it just reminded me of the planet of the bass parody track
I don't hear anything wrong in groove agent's stock pianos, they sound better than some dedicated plugins.What am I missing, memes aside?
>>131971532>planet of bass parody trackI just listened to thisUh, ok
>>131968956The last 8 seconds are kinda nice
>>131976035there is nothing to be sad mate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UsHraqzZ54the guitar tone in this absolutely brutal
acid techno with metal guitar/bass elementshttps://vocaroo.com/1nkBNeSWdSKv
>>131967022>i recommend watching the video of house of kush, about killing your mix with high pass filters, its a good watchthanks, i just watched it. very informative.
pedal id?>>131979115this sounds strangely familiar HMMMM
What's your favorite method to create layered or busy sounding stuff?
>>131979185>pedal id?Eventide Timefactor>this sounds strangely familiar HMMMMriff section was inspired from polyphia - can you feel ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB15JltRf-M&t=121s
>>131979258rear bus mixing and further mix parallel compression
>>131979271tyvmalso lul i meant more so the vocal sample and vibe but cool stuff
>>131979258>presets>meticulously selecting every layer>composing slow and then speeding it up owoi have a secret micro grid technique for top autists passed down to me but it's sekrit
>>131979283thank you for thanking me, i took the vocals from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WESkBASG3UA
>>131979331i know what you are
>>131979340
>>131979340>>131979365issa me, chen
just deleted my entire centre guitar track. not needed.
>no friends to go out with gay halloweenI STAY SILLY (indoors)I STAY SILLY (indoors)I STAY SILLY (indoors)https://vocaroo.com/1ffNHOVHSkpN
>current mixdown is 243MB
>>131980658So?
>>131980658low iq very likely
>>131980699it's too big, like my IQ
it's really this easy
>>131981080this unironicallythe reason most people make bad music (and all art) is simply that they have bad taste
my favourite tool at the moment
>recording my guitar with a bass effect sounds more real and better than using "state of the art" virtual bass instruments (MODO Bass 2)I don't know what to think. I guess I should shell out 200€ and just get a basic bass to record with.I am still yearning for a good virtual bass to use for my backing tracks. I don't want to play in the bass, I want to just play guitar and pretend I'm in a band.
>>131967245I tried Shreddage, but their strumming engine doesn't sound as realistic as Ample Sound's. As mentioned here >>131981755, I use those virtual instruments for easy backing track creation and found Ample Sound's through a virtual amp of my choice to be the most realistic sounding ones. Of course you need to put in effort to write in your stuff which takes longer than just recording the part yourself.Which video would you suggest which showcases its realism with strummed (harmonic) parts? Most of the videos show it playing melodic lines.
new shitpost droppingngl i kinda miss $B and all that shit's so nostalgicand also you should all play THE FINALShttps://vocaroo.com/11vzGIUByk3h
>>131981080they're contractually obligated to put out a certain amount of content. they don't have endless genius song ideas.
>>131981129sounds like a bad investment from the label
>>131981080>release 13 song album>realize later five of them sound stupid as fuck>take down and re-release final version with 8 tracks>???>profit (as if)
i started a new track
>>131986514let us hear it please
>>131986656He can't, it's not finished yet.
>>131986656>>131986668I can't even figure out the kick that I want
>>131986962Picking one is infinitely better than dwelling on it.
>>131987169Sure but then I've got to apply some effects and tweak it to get it sounding exactly how I want
>>131974512https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtOcHG3wOck
how do i make beats/music that would fit vocals? i always go overboard and make everything too busy for vocalshttps://vocaroo.com/1gHZld264fWGhttps://vocaroo.com/1azswxOl881shttps://vocaroo.com/1ozwXv9ZlKbzhttps://vocaroo.com/142o2k2Q8uuw
Why is it so hard to get the balance of the drums right? No matter where i put the fader, its either too loud or too quiet.
>>131987936>i always go overboard and make everything too busy for vocalsJust turn everything down then lol
>>131989221your frequency balance is off
>>131989259Do you mean its being masked?
>>131989349potentially. there's a whole checklist to run through.arrangement>sound selection>volume (roughly)."frequency" overlaps with those first two especially.if you can't get it to sit right just by adjusting volumes it's because you already fucked up one of those first two.e.g your kick isn't having impact because a bass is fighting for the same spot, or your snare or cymbals aren't cutting through either because they're not sitting in the frequency range they should be, or there's an instrument in a spot that would be going to those drums.also consider: if it sounds "weird" or you're getting a different balance on mono checks: check your phase and then circle back around to above.
>>131989425Ive probably just cut too much of the higher frequencies from the room mic. And I havent really fucked with the overheads yet. It's more than likely the bass is conflicting with the kick so ill probably have to sidechain it when I get home.
another garbage loop that will never get finished :)https://vocaroo.com/1myGP1zWc8Ik
https://vocaroo.com/12IOIHH72RvqI have like 20 remixes from artists I like, but I have no fucking clue where to release them. Do I just put them on a CD and throw it away and hope some garbage man finds it and thinks he discovered something cool? That's guerilla marketing, right?
>>131989804>That's guerilla marketing, right?>CDwhat fucking year do you think it is?bandcamp. youtube. play them out when you DJ if you want.not everything has to be made with the end goal of RelEAsE.that’s the voice of internalized capitalism telling you that art isn’t worth shit if it doesn’t generate “””value””” or get you attention.
>>131989864Fuck yeah, Anon. Enjoy shit and don't give a fuck if it makes money, only if it fulfills you.
>>131989804you could always try to play shows, but knowing this site performing publicly is probably your kryptonite
ty chris johnson of airwindowshttps://vocaroo.com/1kBTOsZksJaQ
>>131989221saturation
Do you have any /prod/ friends IRL?I was friends with a girl for awhile and we made weird electronic shit together. We even did an open mic night, letting me check that off my bucket list. She unfortunately moved away and we're on opposite ends of the country now. I collab'd with one dude online for a couple songs where he rapped and I produced, but he moved too. How does one make friends with people that wanna make music for music's sake? Any time I post online it's people being like "yo finna get out the hood with this one" and as a 35 year old fuck, I doubt that.
>>131990741it just happens, it is life. you wouldnt want to force it right? all rng. keep rolling. i hope you find your dream boyfriend one day
>>131990741i just typed a whole as paragraph and the page refreshed fuck my stupid life. don't listen to this type of shit >>131990819the tl;dr was know who you are and what you want, be specific in your ads, and don't fuck with people who don't have solid work done already and or aren't enthusiastic right away
>>131990831i dont think thats making music for the sake of music
>>131990858explain how what i said is in any way mutually exclusive to that
>>131990866dno you used the words ads and work which gave me the ick
>>131990866you sound like the "yo finna get out the hood with this one" dudes he said he doesnt want to work with (my opinion not his but i think i feel what he is talking about).
>>131990873i felt it too don't worry, i just didn't know what other word to use.>>131990892well i'm not and that's weirdly racial but go off
>>131990554>>131980619God bless, senpai.My computer broke, so I've been stuck on my phone for like two months and this is the first time I've bothered posting. Hate touch screens so much...I want me some dirty drums to go with my dusty piano...
>>131990984>Hate touch screens so much...understandable. too slow to type on -_-
>>131987936It's a traditional case of "mixed by guitarist" syndrome. we get it, you play guitar, you're cool, turn your fucking retarded 200$ squire down in a mix. your snare is way quieter than your overall mix which it should be the opposite: drum bus should almost ALWAYS be louder than your guitar bus.
>>131990602The one effect that just makes everything sound better
Has anyone ever tried changing the kick's tune to match the chord progression? Or does that sound retarded?
>>131995608try it retard
>>131996553OkayIt's a subtle effect, but idk if it's good or nothttps://voca.ro/1ovcde3JpKUZ
vocals and drums are the most important part of any mix, followed closely in second by bass
>>131997975yeah anon that’s crazy
>>131998137thanks
/prod/ is high quality once againwe are saved
>>131998196what is already dead can not be killed
How do I make good arps that aren't just the root notes of the chord progression? Also can someone ELIRetarded counter melodies and call and response?
>>131999825just arpeggiate chords you already have, add notes from melody, 7ths, 9ths etc. at the end of phrases try diminished or augmented chords
hello i posted this last thread. an annon said it was a drunken rhythm. didnt know what that was and googled it and it seems right. my workflow my grid isnt tied to the bpm so the end of my bars dont land on 2 etc like 2.2 2.3 snares not on the 2 and 4 but some random shit but it ends up being 4/4 anyway. is the rhythm really that bad? ive spent 3 years doing drums like this and they all sound kind of off but i am able to groove to them but now im thinking i might be kinda delusional and only i can groove to them as the creator xD since i got flack lasttime. im worried since this is my workflow and most of them kind of have that off feel. i mixed the loop again and turned up the tempo abit to try make it groove better. is it really that bad? i am probably delusional it is on time in my head. this has been an eye opening experiencehttps://vocaroo.com/1bNPBNr5ucDZ
>>132001988bro just use the fucking metronome. you're not jamming with a band, you're recording loops in a DAW, why make things harder for no reason?
>>132002185in my head I noticed I liked my beats more when I do it this way so I've been doing it this way since but I guess I'm retarded and delusional
After cocking about with daws for about 6 years I actually want to sit down and do a whole album. I'm thinking ethereal ambient orchestral type of theme, I already have an album cover idea that can be a /p/ project. But I really feel like taking on an album alone is too ambitious. I can only play clarinet reasonably well, I'm familiar with piano and keys, but can't play them well. I also have a stylophone I'll want to use, and some other toy instruments. wish me luck y'all. Hopefully I can get a single out by the end of this year.
>>132002615glhf! anything goes!
>>132002475NTAThe real deal is to have a good groove WITH the metronome. Hint: you may stop to hear it when you lock it (and lose the tempo).
>>132002754hmm maybe ill try. my head bop has been my metronome. it might be a psychological phenominom that i can bop my head cuz im the creator and i know how to bop my head to it. might be good since ive been doing it this way for a while so it might be refreshing. ill try change up my workflow, it might inspire something. thanks
>>132002808dude that loop you posted is in 90 bpm 4/4 time
>>132002630Thanks, today is my birthday so I've got more inspiration than usual lol.
>>132002832aight, i dont know the bpm of my beats xD i program it like pic. i let fate decide my bpm. i know it usually ends up 4/4.
>>132002879105 bpm, so i guess my stretched bars make it 90 bpm
>>132002867hbd!
i'm trying to master kicks
The utter absence of any discernible talent in this thread is depressing.
dubshttps://vocaroo.com/1nIs0Aru7VjO
>>132004615Fuck it I just used a sine wave envelope to do the low frequencies. Sounds alright
>>131992990kek fair enough, but why are you malding?
r8 this kick please
Help me choose between Reaper and Ableton. I REALLY like how light-weight Reaper is and how it opens it 2 seconds, and how easy it is to get. However, it seems like most production resources are made for Ableton. Also, since I'm new I'm pretty much stuck just trying to figure out what VSTs and sample libraries are good for the music I want to make; from what I understand you're pretty much good to go with Ableton out of the box. Sound-design-wise I suppose there is not much of a difference since that knowledge is universal. If it matters, I want to make techno, darkwave, post-punk, experimental/drone and record rock music. I also want to play live music at some point.
>>132001988it's not too bad, try a daw where there are no gridlines or see if there is a setting to disable them
>>132006277>If it matters, I want to make techno, darkwave, post-punk, experimental/drone and record rock music. I also want to play live music at some point.ableton. it's was literally made for playing music live. also, it has tons of cool Max 4 live devices which are perfect for electronic music. it's also easy to record stuff and generate ideas using session view
>>132006083flabby with a late peak. too much low end against the bass most likely
>>132006277>Sound-design-wise I suppose there is not much of a difference since that knowledge is universal.yeah that's "technically" true but false in practice, specifically for those genres.not that reaper doesn't have stuff going for it, but all of the information and resources for those things are far more abundant if you use ableton.
>>132002879>>132001988I was inspired by this and have made thishttps://vocaroo.com/1o0GuVBOB4zW
>>132004655i wonder if anons will admit that analog gear sounds better than VSTs once good hardware clones aren't too rare and expensive instead of sour grapes coping and seethinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xDWkfDitFQ
>>132007300slaps
>>132006083>>132006728Can people actually visualise what the kick sounds like just from looking at the sound wave?
>>132006277I athink it's more a matter of workflow. I assume each daw has a different workflow and you gotta try it and see if it suits you I think. Also I heard metro booming say the older versions of FL studio sound better. I dont know if different daws sound better or if that is just schizo shit
>>132008240I think he said it was something about the limiter actually can't remember probably just a plugin thing instead of DAW
>>132006728I did some more work. This is probably as close as I can get to what I want. I want something thick with a nice thump.>>132008215Some people can
>>132008030chanced are no chuzo, we need to give up on these losers>>132008215to an extent, yes. it’s just having experience to foresee a kicks impact and what professional tracks/sounds look like, and knowing the technicals of what makes them look like that.
>>132008451>>132008420I see, makes sense. I now see that it represents information
I've been trying to practice beatmaking by making remixes of my favorite songs. I don't remember which of you fuckers suggested I do that, but I appreciate you:https://vocaroo.com/13ckkXoiFdKnWon't be long and I will have remixed the entire "None Shall Pass" album from Aesop Rock.
elderly people in a nursing home type beat / the onset of dementia type beat (i dont find dementia funny)https://voca.ro/1gUZAMMsxOi9
>>132008486???
>>132004707Pretty solid track anon, but it doesn’t feel particularly dub-y to me yet. The pad drowns out most of the percussion and what little groove there is. I’d try adding some more discernible chord stabs for rhythm and bringing the pad down a bit to give everything else more room. I'd also try a small cut around 150 Hz on the kick and rolling off some of the pad's low end to clean up the mix a bit.
>>131986514well, how's that track going?
>>132010453is this actually the best you can do?
>>132011952unfortunately yeah, i consider it my magnum opus so far. :D>>132010453 is the usual xD, ive had my soul crushed but its fine whatever (cries inside) i will do it for fun and dance alone in my room.
>>132011888I've been playing with the Kick and Bassline for 2 days
>>132011991you need to be 18 to post here by the way. Hiroshimoot has all your details and will get you b&, v& and jap&.
>>132012008im a 30 year old man with a hairy chest and hairy asshole and 120kg
bum
how many hours a day do you spend experimenting with sound design
>>132014868like 3-4 when i dedicated whole sessions to it, but now i split by days mostly unless i need a specific sound(s) for something, when i give myself an hour and then move on with whatever i have
>>132015459Thank youI think I am a moron/lunatic
>>132005984I'm just mad because I played in a band with a bassist who literally had the same problem but in a live setting: he literally couldn't play without adding his fucking 30$ amazon reverb pedal boosted by mooer replica of BD-2.
>>131913631Come try out for Streamer-U. You gotta let me cuck I mean suck your blood to get it in.
https://vocaroo.com/1mzKg89qvqhXDo something differently? Probably the guitar
liquid dnb remix of annie baltic - new lowshow's the vocal timing?https://voca.ro/1e2PyAysSxex
I listened to my track on my media PC which has a real AV receiver that produces sound perfectly... and my track sounds like shit lol
>>132018823>nijika.webmthe first rule of the mix is reference reference reference
I think I'm actually happy with how a beat turned out for once:https://vocaroo.com/1cDkJR2oQD1W
>>132018843I did use a reference. I didn't do a full mixing workflow on it yet, but it sounded close-ish on my laptop. But my laptop doesn't have as good a sound card as my media PC or an AV receiver. I should get a USB sound card dongle probably or something. Or install my DAW on my media PC.
>>132018865lol what ancient piece of junk are you listening on where conversion could possibly be your bottle neck
>>132018846ur other beats are nice! id be proud of the other ones you posted too :D
>>132018957noob, conversion is one of the reasons why anons can't hear shit, anons don't believe that analog gear sounds better than plugins, anons can't hear the layers upon layers of effects used in commercially successful songs, anons think if they just come up with the right quirk chungus catchy melody they can half-ass every technical aspect of actually producing the product and still be successful
>>132019646wow do you just PRETEND to be a gearfag? you really just don’t know anything at all about specs in the modern era.even the biggest gear snobs would not die on this is hill in current year.you need to up your game if you want to continue pretending to be stupid chuzo
>>132019695see you just double down instantly, typical ADHD brainlet. you're delusional, you have no idea how to actually produce a worthy song, you have some crazy notion that you're making "art" without any care for the audience's enjoyment, you're patting yourself on the back no matter how much other people think your music sucks and how little money they think it's worth
literally you have an anon telling you from first hand experience that his media PC/AV receiver sounds better than a laptop and your only conclusion is that his laptop must be subpar as if a consumer-grade laptop should sound the same as professional mastering studio grade converters
it's literally idiotic, you think a consumer-grade laptop should sound the same as professional mastering studio grade converters, and you think you're the one who's smart and i'm the idiot, holy shit
aight dis my new magnum opus. behold!https://voca.ro/17I2L7Zuxz7b
