Bach editionhttps://youtu.be/iZE92petCLEThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>131883548
Francesco Tristano's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGHIeq3DJzM&list=OLAK5uy_nfS7EYaSEtyWzxItBW6nWY11wmmQPoMSE&index=1warning: uber-affected opening aria
Scriabin
I used to be a huge fan of Mahler's symphonies. I used to binge-listen to them over and over again. I even bought expensive headphones to appreciate every inner line, each orchestral colour. Then I became a Wagnerian. Wagner came to me quite late in my musical life but when he did, it came with full power: I became yet another Wagner fan obsessed with his musics. Wagner being Wagner, it took all my time, so at one point I was basically only listening to him.Later on I had the chance to listen to Mahler Second Symphony live, in a great production at the Muskverein in Vienna. I had always dreamt of listening to it live... but when I finally did, I couldn't help listening to Wagner traces on Mahler. Same goes with Mahler Third Symphony, another massive work I used to love: Now I kept noticing Wagner's influence on Mahler: I was "boy, Mahler really studied Wagner's scores carefully!" (and yes, he did).Somehow (I know it sounds ridiculous), Wagner made me impossible to like Mahler as I used to.
what is your favorite pre-bach composition?
>>131905745this is the correct answer:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlprozGcs80&xstg=CAMSBhUDzO3xHw%3D%3D
>>131905774But also the most boring answer
I've wasted my life playing stringed instruments.I've been stuck inside a platonic cave all my life, taking my vulgar and limited understanding of musical concepts for all there is to know.I've been studying Fux's Gradus Ad Parnassum among much other material, all on the keyboard, in a desperate attempt to gain some kind of true understanding of music at last.At least I've finally seen the light.
>>131905788Piano is a string instrument.
Simply cannot decide which is worse faure or wagner.
>>131905745uh L'Orfeo
>>131905788Fux sucks cock.
>>131905679Go back.
>favorite recording of a piece is only available on the hr-Sinfonieorchester Youtube channel with compressed audio and never released in full qualityREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>Bachdoor
>>131905788RIP
>>131906433Holy FUX
>>131906792Name three (3) times this happened.
>>131905745music didn't exist before Bach
>>131905745Allegri's Miserere
K. 503 is SUBLIME!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhuzUj9OCgU
Give me your best works for 2 pianos (preferably original ones, unless the arrangement is very inventive).
The way that some of you behave here speaks to an evident lack of proportion.It is impossible that this music is much more than noise to you. Like sowing seeds on barren ground.
>>131908596>RachmaninowNo one asked for yet another mistransliteration. As for your question, Schubert of course. D. 940.
>>131908816Oh wait, you were asking for two pianos whereas Schubert is piano four hands. Never mind then.
>>131908816It's in German, retard
Brahms.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu-ctaY7xGE&list=OLAK5uy_l8p-VVOEsKyFQfRP5H9Q88UJEpT2Av7Vo
>>131909048What's the general consensus on this Jochum Brahms cycle vs his cycle with the London Philharmonic Orchestra?
>>131908596Peep these Rite of Spring, Scheherazade, and La Valse arrangmentshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNeMHMeo9iE&list=OLAK5uy_ln8sb1uX4fa-5ianAyx52HID3ocPrGJ_0&index=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0JcCdT9C_8&list=OLAK5uy_ln8sb1uX4fa-5ianAyx52HID3ocPrGJ_0&index=4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOlapdwQ8x4&list=OLAK5uy_ln8sb1uX4fa-5ianAyx52HID3ocPrGJ_0&index=5And this recording of Bach's Brandenburg Concertos for piano duet arranged by Max Regerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2-mQc7U0Bo&list=OLAK5uy_kICci3iy9Bj_XsDe4zJtfDPBO8J2jm8Zo&index=1
>>131909116Wow, that Bach-Reger one is sick, surprised it's not more well-knownhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEkKyAjdK2o&list=OLAK5uy_kICci3iy9Bj_XsDe4zJtfDPBO8J2jm8Zo&index=4>This new release featuring the PianoDuo Takahashi|Lehmann presents rare repertoire for piano duo: the complete recording of Reger's arrangements of the Brandenburg Concertos as well as other works by J.S. Bach. Max Reger was a key figure in the Bach renaissance at the beginning of the 20th century. Because of his polyphonic compositional style, he was also revered by his followers as 'the modern Bach'. ""Sebastian Bach is for me the beginning and end of all music; upon him rests, and from him originates, all real progress! That Bach could be misunderstood for so long is the greatest scandal for the 'critical wisdom' of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries."" But it was not only as an interpreter of piano, chamber and orchestral music that he championed his musical role model throughout his lifetime, but also as the editor of several orchestral suites and concertos as well as the arranger of numerous organ works. Thomaskantor Karl Straube praised him for the ""perfect manner in which he succeeded in reproducing the sound characteristics of the organ on the pianoforte.
>>131905745missa pange linguae
>>131905745Bach is my pre-Chopin.
Big box sets of a single composer: chronological/opus order or grouped by genre?
let me guess, you need more?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfJGjUFn_IQ&list=OLAK5uy_kHBeKuFRnmvr17B46JkzHe7KzywB4R4Jw&index=10
>>131909677Alphabetical.
>>131909077the former is a better performance, while the latter has better soundneither are top tier Brahms though
>>131910131Jochum may not be the Mount Everest of Brahms, but he's at least a Kangchenjunga!
>>131910171he's good no doubt, and certainly far better than any Brahms recorded in the past 20 years
>>131909077>Everyone seems to agree that this mono Brahms cycle is one of the great ones, and the only question that really matters is a personal one: can you put up with decent mono sound, or must you have stereo (or to go a step further, digital?). The matter is further complicated by the fact that Eugen Jochum rerecorded this music in fine stereo for EMI, and those performances are also available on two twofers, for about one and a half times the price of this set. It's your call, but by all means do sample this marvelous conductor's inspired way with Brahms. --David HurwitzBoth are great.
>>131910182hate to embarrass you in front of all your friends buthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdH6-U4u28E&list=OLAK5uy_nBcfyXMgmx18ubPSWTjOdGcrXnCYQ0NR0&index=10
>>131910237
>>131909077Two of the best cycles, and not too much between them.
undisputed GOAT Brahms cycle
There are so many good sets of Brahms' symphonies, you could, depending how often you listen to classical music and Brahms, listen to a different cycle each time and not run out of quality sets for years.
>>131910401https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CGiGeiq_BY
>>131910254hate to embarrass you in front of your girl buthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOYvVL7eQGM&list=OLAK5uy_l2K0gVatgxtYRwh2P7CgWroZ29OW5LfM0&index=2
>>131910401>CMRRbarfbut yes, Beinum is very good.
>>131910401I'll check it out.
phrases when I hear or read in conversation, I can't help but roll my eyes,>have you heard rubinstein's chopin???>have you heard barenboim's beethoven???>have you heard gould's bach???>have you heard gieseking's debussy???everyone has! your attempt to impress me has failed!
>>131910536>>have you heard barenboim's beethoven???No one has ever said or written that.
>>131910477i got you senpai
>>131910548I was paid by some Chinese guy to help cheat on his English exams two years ago and that's what he said to me.
the brass chorale in the slow section of the finale of Brahm's 4th >>>>>>
>Barenboim's Beethoven piano sonatas suc--ACK!!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vicPmPEveU&list=OLAK5uy_mkFeou6ujBvONbc826eosq4izXqAG1L1k&index=40>The EMI cycle he recorded in his mid- to late-20s (Barenboim 1) often struck me as a less seasoned and sometimes crude replica of Claudio Arrau’s expansive, neo-Furtwänglerian Beethoven style, notwithstanding its unquestionable high points. By contrast, the 1981-84 DG remakes (Barenboim 2) are sharper, more focused and disciplined, with more discreet pedaling. Two decades later, the 62-year-old pianist reclaims many of the rhetorical nuances he favored in his youth, but now applies them within a context of greater expressive economy and structural cohesion, although his fingers are not so consistently supple as they were for the DG sessions. ---- Jed Distler, ClassicsToday, Rating: 8; 8
>>131910660>Rating: 8; 8With so many 10; x and 9; x recordings available, one is tempted to simply dismiss Barenboim.
>>131910690His DG cycle is a 9, but I know some people like that Decca one more and it's toned down a lot of Barenboim's sentimental excess and heavy-handedness I know a lot of /classical/ hates, so it's a better one to shill here.As for what 8 entails, I think an 8 rating means worth a listen, but probably not a revisit. Assuming you agree it's an 8, of course.
Let me guess, you *need* 'more'?
Actually, correction: I'd say 7 means worth a listen but not a revisit; 8 means worth a listen, and revisit if you're desiring a particular niche approach the recording fulfills. Which is what Barenboim often satisfies for me.
>>131910750well yeah... how am I supposed to play it with just the title page?
>>131910763With your Pleyel fortepiano.
>>131910750I'm disappointed, I thought your image was going to be this<-----
>>131910788No.
>>131910788that would have been slightly less annoying so no
>>131910660an 8 from Jed, who likes almost everything he listens to, is tantamount to nothing
Now that we all agree western music peaked between 1650-1750, what caused the decline?
Now that we all agree western music peaked between 1825-1849, what caused the decline?
>>131905031i've made a playlist of latin american (mostly mexican) baroque. it includes compositions in nahuatl and quechua alongside spanish/italian compositions being played in mexico at the time. i also added early folk pieces that drew from spanish baroque. check it out and give any baroque recs you got.spotify:https://open.spotify.com/playlist/2SyJp6KgT0BmUF0JOqKh9r?si=ad22278d8c82429b&pt=8161779f8336368d1353c767c65e4ce5youtube:https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLP75HkhSZkrU&si=5Yvwa64wNtYNPS5X
>>131911756Beethoven immitators
>>131910763>>131910750Remember when Chopin said the best thing Schumann did was the title page?
>fall asleep to the divine sounds of Beethoven's piano sonata 31>wake up to the sharp, shrill sounds of the Diabelli Variationsturn it off, turn it off!
>>131912494Tfw when Barenboim Beethoven
>>131912564think againhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddVSqqokAJk&list=OLAK5uy_mjl_6sr5wHicSLQphYBf2J0xp1u5jheb0&index=58
confession: I love Arrau's piano playing and recordings, but something I've noticed is he's best in small-to-medium doses, when he comes across as sublime, bringing familiar passages to a new level of poeticism and beauty; you restrict yourself to his style of performance for too long and it begins to drag, to sound torpid and lifeless; you begin to yearn for some guts, for some fire, for some heart.
>>131912625He has THE best recording of the Nocturnes. Nothing to be ashamed of.
>>131911782tuberculosis, I presume?
>>131912682My point is I wouldn't recommend listening to his Debussy set right after his Chopin Nocturnes set, or, in my case, is Beethoven sonatas straight through. His approach is best spread out a bit. By the time I reached the 20s, I could feel my ears begging for a faster, more fiery approach, despite the fact I had loved it up until that point.
>>131911782LizstomaniaWagnerThe New German School
>>131912494top pleb, the Diabelli Variations contain one of the greatest fugues Beethoven ever wrote, if not the best
what are the local Chopinfags' opinions on Rubinstein?
Brahms 2 is peak
>>131913068Great, not the end-all-be-all (or as I've heard some athletes say recently to great amusement, the A all B all).>>131913083My brother.
What's sone good Marie Antoinette-era classical?
>>131913146Mozart and Haydn are the two biggest names from that era. Check also Boccherini and Martin Kraus.
>>131913068The best but he never recorded nocturne 20/21 so he sucks.
>>131913184Eras have geography. Pretty sure he meant France. You wouldn't give somebody ancient Chinese music if they asked for Byzantine era music.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FBHDzU4Bzk8&t=536s
>>131913318if he did mean that then it was up to him to specify
gonna end the day with Schubert's String Quartet 14 "Death and the Maiden," String Quartet 15, String Quintet, Piano Quintet "Trout", and if there's time, the piano trios.
>>131913969
Show me one (one) work by Mozart that is as forward-thinking as The Creation by Haydn
we back!Also, Mozart’s chamber music is amazing, and shame on whoever hasn’t listened today!
How come a composer never committed suicide?
>>131905031Great evening to listen to Samson et Dalila - Saint-Saens best opera.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V82MJjtUayI>>131914719Tchaikovsky possibly did.
>>131914870But that's Shostakovich 8th String Quartet. I do like Samson et Dalila though.
>>131915018Sorry about that, here's a correct linkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mtOtdsqmVU
Beethoven (hiss)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiRnx_bxl0A&list=OLAK5uy_lnmuowTmsn2yzoVWseYN9ltO4rw_X90Wc&index=1
>>131914105Nothing Mozart sucks
>>131915206Nothing by* Mozart sucks
>>131914719It is easy when you have something to live for. Music is a powerful force.
>tfw musical intelligence and memory is too low to appreciate variation form and techniqueit's not fair
>>131915351just be glad you're not this guy>>131913929
Which is greater, Tchaikovsky 4 5 6 or Dvorak 7 8 9?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoL6c3SNfhc&list=OLAK5uy_lw7DTM_8DHtfVzY34a05OyUkZHs8OGjjM&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y2EfSvlfjs&list=OLAK5uy_mHFoWJGxtkvjInoKPnHX53ntDDPuSq9C4&index=1
>>131915351>t. Scriabinfag
Are there any examples of composers who got worse as they got older?
>>131915617Schoenberg
>>131915617Webern.
>>131915617Alban Berg
>>131915348this is true. without meaningful goals, purposes, and challenges what is the point in living?
>>131915617serious answer: Schumann
>>131915771masturbation, dumbass
>>131915617Beethoven
>>131915617Scriabin
Honest question from a layman: what's the deal with lots of modern classical sounding like... that.
>>131916234WW2 fucked with the composers' heads and it all just stuck
>>131916234what do you mean by "modern"?
>>131916234WW2 changed all art, philosophy, and manner of thinking. In classical, it's starting to rebound though.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqtYe_17YYohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Hcym4dit8k&list=OLAK5uy_mcSdOMKK3Uj4iXIQnh13QH1PM5gH7I4bA
>>131916355stop posting this memeimalist garbage
>>131916395We have a duty to support contemporary artists, composers, and musicians of quality. I think so, anyway.
>>131916234it's divine punishment for straying from the Golden Path laid out by Ebenezer Prout.
>>131916323You know what he means, do you really need the intellectual victory from flexing the fact you're aware there is a distinction between the term modern and contemporary in the timeline of western art music?
>>131916511yes. officially speaking, modern refers to 1920s - 1970s and contemporary refers to 1970s - 2020s with 1900 to 1920 being a transitional period.
>>131916462not if they are going to be so insistent on sucking
>>131905031Listen to Chopin.
>>131916617a please would be nice.
>>131916462>of qualityYeah, post some
>>131916542*pats your head*
>>131916625please fuck yourself
post music as good as Brahms https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48UUeRRxrRQ
>>131916753https://youtu.be/Zfhe153Qoqc?si=r7tG4BmuB_YbwMbW
>>131914719Stanchinsky
>>131906433Pleb take.
>>131917833he posted an ai image, no more needs to be said
>>131915617The majority of them I would say. I think on the contrary it would be harder to find examples of composers that didn't get worse.
>>131915384Mendelssohn 3 4 5
>>131918060go away Glen
>>131914719Salieri, Mozart himself also basically killed himself through poor life choices
>>131918089He was literally right about Mozart. Most composers reach their stride in their 20s and 30s. People just think of them as older because they get their portraits painted as old men.
>>131918068>Mendelssohn 3-5 as good as Tchaikovsky 4-6 or Dvorak 7-9
>>131916617Can't listen to Khatia without getting horny
>>131918060retard
>>131918060>The majority of them I would say.?Symphonies, string quartets, piano sonatas/piano works, chamber duo sonatas, whatever, it's almost universal that composers improve as they write more music. Which symphony 1 is better than a symphony 9?
>>131918120>Wagner's best work: Parsifal>Beethoven's best work: the late quartets>Brahms's best work: the clarinet quintet>Verdi's best work: Otello>Bach's best work: The Art of Fuguewho the fuck are you thinking of
>>131918130yes, now shut up toxobrain
>>131918156>Wagnerpeaked in his early 30s>BeethovenYou can literally hear his music degrade due to his hearing loss. >Brahms He was decent into old age but he is an outlier>BachYou don't really believe his fugues were his best works do you? The fugue was a solved genre by the time he wrote in it and it was a mainly pointless endeavor
>>131918189you're just making stuff up because you realized you're supporting an untenable position that you don't even agree with in the first place.
>>131918189>peaked in his early 30sbut I just fucking mentioned Parsifal>You can literally hear his music degrade due to his hearing lossand yet his late works are still considered his best by a majority of listeners, especially the world famous 9th symphony. Funny that.>You don't really believe his fugues were his best works do youIf I just fucking brought up the AoF then obviously I do. Want me to draw it for you?
>>131918332>but I just fucking mentioned ParsifalJust because you say something does not make it so. Wagner's best work is Das Rheingold btw.
>>131918189>>131918332I actually agree with both of the posters.
>>131918208I guarantee you he is either a Chopin or Russianfag
>>131918359nobody of note thinks this
composers whose best work was their last?or at least in their last year or decade?
They're both right. That's why I read the forum every now and then to see if anything's changed.
>>131918407Mozart's K. 622
>>131917530>21/16https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5fvk5wR-xMBased
>>131918407Pretty much all of them. I can't think of a composer whose best work wasn't one of their last, and sometimes the last like Art of Fugue. Very few exceptions like Brahms, Schumann, Scriabin who didn't improve at all.
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_-qQ78qztQ
>I require no interpretation. to play what is written is enoughBased or cringe?
Who was the last real composer?
>>131918806
>>131918332>especially the world famous 9th symphony.So you are going to let pop classicism influence your views? He was best when he was making absolute music
>>131918862woah woah woah
Just popped a melatonin, now what to put on and fall asleep to. Bruckner 5? Scriabin's Poemes? Faure's Nocturnes? Brahms' Piano Quartets? Schumann's Piano Quartet and Quintet? Rachmaninoff's Preludes and Etudes? hmmm
Faurehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s4NhdwWkXw&list=OLAK5uy_kH3bTsCWBgLSQ23QYF8sBAAY4veD-1R-4&index=1
>>131918986Bruckner night
>>131919123Yes.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28CWYr1FMVk&list=OLAK5uy_mVUKQsfUnNJrVduVZh2wacLPwqmI5bf4Y&index=29gn
>>131919174Perfect performance to fall asleep to. It's so boring.
>>131918818this. after neo-romanticism and neo-impressionism music is a dead artform. pack it up folks and go home.
Rautavaara https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wSNSk97hEY
I need something to fall asleep to. You guys got any recs?
>>131919792I gotchu senpaihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sj5wq4EIRg
>>131919766I too love Ravataravaraaaata
>>131919841one does not simply spell his name correctly.
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkZAmMiRRXg
>>131916234Because the world decided to follow hacks like Schoenberg and Stravinsky instead of chads like Scriabin and Ravel
I usually rank Beethoven 5 just above 9 and below the best ones (3, 8), but even 6, 7, but damn, every time I listen to it I feel like it deserves to be in the top 2-3.
Marvelous!
>>131916234Tonality was thought to be limiting and also people started doing different things with rhythm, timbre etc. A lot of it was just people trying to do something new because the old wasn't cutting it anymore
>>131920083Funny how all 4 of these suck cock. World should have followed Mahler.
>>131914719Bernd Alois Zimmermann.
>>131908596How about 3 pianos?https://youtu.be/FQra1yLoolU
>>131920853https://youtu.be/1AhbA1e0o20?si=PuEBOrJ9H6dFjelv
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw6BE16JmUo
>>131918862I too love weird al
>>131920551>JewlerKek, good one.
>>131921113Didn't know those tapes existed. I'll have to get a copy. Thanks anon.
um...bros...was Mozart heckin' ROMANTIC?!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl0fVaFPGLg>expressive playing>dissonance>chromaticismyeah, I'm thinking he's romantic!
>>131921741Bill loved classical music and Bach was his god. Should listen to his album with the symphony it's good.
>>131921766He anticipates romanticism but I don't know if I would call it full romantic, he's just dipping his toes in
>>131921766Zamn! Is Mozart the first Romantic composer?!
How about some Schumann?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As8mHkhLUVk&list=OLAK5uy_nIwsP1YQgrKJGzkC_AAdAUeZbn32DYW98&index=2
>>131921771I knew that. He also loved Scriabin. Him and Gould were mutual admirers and Evans recorded Conversations on Gould's favourite piano. I think he's my favourite jazz pianist probably because he bridged the gap between western art music and jazz, whereas the other greats were firmly in the black milieu. >symphonyWhich one is that?
>>131921766Not even half as expressive as romantics like Schumann, Beethoven, Chopin.
>>131918397
>>131921888>Beethovenb8and you're right, he's not half as expressive as them, he's TWICE as expressive!
Favorite piano recordings with lots of humming other than Gould?
>>131922093Fazil Say hums a bit in his recordings, and he's got a copious discography.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3qX1KKIeF8&list=OLAK5uy_mRwY-LEYgdR7t8IzaA4TlYyyh_M2kPi9w&index=8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTZTd2lY16M&list=OLAK5uy_leivrAoqWaA5D9TQ6OfHBP_c7v6Li-FcA&index=98And he's a brilliant pianist, one of the greats of our time no doubt.
now playingstart of Schumann: Fantasy in C Major, Op. 17https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i-iWrWInqw&list=OLAK5uy_kzr41Pqw-v0fnGqvdCuBMWObyAGipGhLg&index=2start of Schumann: Kreisleriana, Op. 16https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pk2xWjyVA8&list=OLAK5uy_kzr41Pqw-v0fnGqvdCuBMWObyAGipGhLg&index=5Schumann: Arabesque, Op. 18https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awOIu7Yp5ZI&list=OLAK5uy_kzr41Pqw-v0fnGqvdCuBMWObyAGipGhLg&index=12https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kzr41Pqw-v0fnGqvdCuBMWObyAGipGhLg>Second Prize winner at both the 2011 Tchaikovsky International Piano Competition and the 13th Van Cliburn International Piano Competition in 2009, Yeol Eum Son's graceful interpretations, crystalline touch and versatile, thrilling performances have caught the attention of audiences worldwide. Praised for her widely eclectic repertoire, ranging from Bach and Mozart to Shchedrin and Gershwin, she turns here to her other 'favorite' composer - Schumann. This is a wonderful recording from a pianist who has total command and understanding of this repertoire and will be eagerly awaited by her fans around the world.
>>131921943why did you save the lowest possible quality of that image?
>>131922093None that are classical music, sorry.
>>131921964Cope.
>>131923014i accept your concession :^)
>>131922157fazil fazil say what you gonna sayfazil fazil say who you gonna playfazil fazil say its a brand new dayfazil fazil say who you gonna playcatchy
>>131923247Ludwig van Beethoven the romantic and 'more expressive than Mozart'.
Tchaikovskyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40gx0FyJKVw&list=OLAK5uy_lw7DTM_8DHtfVzY34a05OyUkZHs8OGjjM&index=5
>>131923439More expressive than anything pre-Beethoven.
New Rattle/BRSO Mahler 2 just droppedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCMQTbv0YIQ&list=OLAK5uy_nWXNMCBo4MWFmlqozSFLoDtPJn8reb5nI&index=1review,https://theclassicreview.com/album-reviews/review-mahler-symphony-no-2-simon-rattle-2026/>This is Simon Rattle’s third official recording of Mahler’s Symphony No. 2. He recorded it before with the City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra (EMI, 1987) and the Berlin Philharmonic (EMI, 2011). Hearing this symphony live at age 12 is what led him to start conducting, and he believes it is “one of the most moving of all orchestral works.” In this new reading his love and mastery of the symphony are never in doubt.
>>131923439got this red label first edition on vinyl but it is completely fucked and unlistenable despite looking perfectly cleanNo idea what the previous owner did but it would be worth hundreds of dollars if it weren't so noisy
>>131923697Damn, that sucks. Still cool to own I guess. Could hang it on your wall.
>>131923707Yes pretty cool indeed especially for the $1 I paid for it. I'm going to try playing it with a conical stylus to see if that smoothes it out a bit because I've only tried it with my shibata stylus. Vinyl is shit for classical anyway since the dynamic range is so low and the noise is usually quite bad except for the very few records that survived the last 60-70 years in the hands of retarded boomers. Thankfully, unlike rare pop records, all the masters of these great performances were preserved and digitized and available for pirating.
>we could no longer make beauty after le world warsmental how much of you swallow marxist trite
>>131923675>Simon Rattle's Mahler's Symphony number two... in his hands is more like the dereliction symphony as in dereliction of duty" >"It's boring. It's lacking in climaxes. It's a total non-happening" >"When he does these big works... he just doesn't rise to it. He can't rise to it. Don't listen to it. Just don't don't waste your time. There's lots of good Mahler Twos out there"
>>131923777name one beautiful thing made after le world wars
>>131923803me
>>131923803Fratres
>>131923803Farts
>>131923800you can derelict my balls capitan
>>131923777After Auschwitz, beauty is no longer possible, anon...
>>131924212Would. Are you handsome?
>>131923803My wife.
>>131924923Damn... Bleakest way of saying nothing.
>>131923777did anyone here say this
>>131923777>youAre these people in the room with us right now?
>>131925482No, anon is just imagining things so he has a reason to be pissed off.
>>131923439The greatest to ever do it
only after I listened to other Classical era composers did I understand how good Mozart is
>>131926008Wait until you listen to romantic composers
>>131926008Haydn isn't that bad
Call me classical music hater, but as the time goes by, the less I enjoy Mozart and baroque and classical periods, and more I enjoy Beethoven. Haydn is especially boring.
>>131926160You probably can't read music is my take away.
>Mfw the last movement of D. 960 randomly pops into my mind, I STILL sometimes mistake it for Beethoven, trying to recall which Beethoven sonata it is, as it clearly must be his best, hmm>suddenly the realization hits "It's his superior, Franz Schubert, of course"https://youtu.be/LmGyh0mAdwk?si=RzM7N4lUN_8tWCHz&t=1887Seriously though, this is the most Beethovenian movement of all time by any composer that isn't Beethoven. Schubert and Beethoven just happened to live at around the same time and place, is that why no one is as Beethovenian as Schubert? Maybe Beethoven secretly heard Schubert and so his sonatas are actually Schubertian? Or maybe they both arrived at the same conclusion due to the dawn of the romantic period?
>>131926284D.960 is the best piano sonata of all time. Nothing even comes close.
>>131926459Correct.
i'm just like Brahms. Liszt's Sonata puts me to sleep.
>>131926160See>>131914105
How do I get to the point where I develop these strong opinions about eras, composers, and their pieces? Right now I enjoy it all really.
>>131927028browse 4chan.
>>131927028It's less about hating something and more loving something even more. Could I put on a Haydn symphony right now and listen through it with some enjoyment? Sure. But it's practically nothing compared to how much I enjoy a symphony by Beethoven or Bruckner or Tchaikovsky. And so, when discussing it on 4chan, Beethoven, Bruckner, and Tchaikovsky BTFO Haydn.
>>131927216I see, I see.
>>131927028Listen to Rachmaninoff and you'll have a new least favorite composer.
>>131927216Tchaikovsky sucks
>>131927733That's the spirit.
>>131926160to be fair, you need good ears to be able to truly understand Mozart’s music and his use of chromaticism and harsh dissonancesMozart’s music requires the utmost attention to truly appreciate >>131927028>How do I get to the point where I develop these strong opinions about eras, composers, and their pieces?keep listening, and be somewhere on the autism spectrum
>>131927216True.
>>131927969Oh sweet, a new WTC set I haven't hea->harpsichordnvm
>>131927980Literal pleb.
>>131927993https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I2zvVCSVBU&list=OLAK5uy_nIJHUrK-8LOqlpre09Evv2dJBIvi7l2iA&index=34
now playingstart of Brahms: Piano Quartet No. 1 in G Minor, Op. 25https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gDWITvjLgM&list=OLAK5uy_kq7_VL281hhmmooHrWumQh7tYqH5UPzt0&index=2start of Brahms: Piano Quartet No. 3 in C Minor, Op. 60https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAXC48L-3Bw&list=OLAK5uy_kq7_VL281hhmmooHrWumQh7tYqH5UPzt0&index=6start of Brahms: Piano Quartet No. 2 in A Major, Op. 26https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkq0ORV16ZY&list=OLAK5uy_kq7_VL281hhmmooHrWumQh7tYqH5UPzt0&index=10start of Schumann: Piano Quintet in E-Flat Major, Op. 44https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDmt4x8PV9o&list=OLAK5uy_kq7_VL281hhmmooHrWumQh7tYqH5UPzt0&index=13https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kq7_VL281hhmmooHrWumQh7tYqH5UPzt0I remember when I first got into classical, before I really knew the names of performers, the breadth of the repertoire, or how to find recordings, one of my favorite YouTube channels had the Piano Quartet No. 3 recording here, and I used to listen to it day after day after day. So good.
Are Prokofiev's two string quartets the worst pieces of music composed by any standard repertoire composer?
>tfw you come across someone who also loves classical music but turns out they're a musician so they refer to every piece by the key and you can't follow along>anon, don't you just love mozart's piano sonata in b-flat major?>mfw
>>131928116Not when his quintet exists
>>131928429Huh, can't say I've ever heard it or even of it. It's no good?
>>131928512Give it a listen and find out for yourself
>>131928223>mfw I used to play that piece so I instantly knew which one it was and could hear it in my mind
>>131928781based
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S9TFdp51woIt's incredible how much better this is than his piano concertos.
The hardest decision in all of classical music is deciding which recording of Brahms' piano concertos to listen to.>>131929071yeah I love it. It's a bit kitschy but fuck it, it's life-affirmation.
>>131929079No, the hardest decision is the study of which instrument to dedicate yourself to.
>>131929119Yes but that's a serious answer, thereby blunting the effect of the hyperbolic rhetoric. To appropriate some review on RYM I read over a decade ago that I just love,>Beethoven's Missa Solemnis is not only the greatest work of art ever created, it might be the only worthwhile thing humans have ever done.then you say>Umm, penicillin??? Democracy??? Semiconductors???You get my point.
>>131929160Maybe you just need better rhetoric.
>>131928223>>131928781>Oh I love Chopin, Anon.>Hey, me too!>Particularly his Nocturnes. I especially love the one in E Major. What do you think?>mfw
Schuberthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9A8rDlMyKk&list=OLAK5uy_nQXiiwYZouhLswxde8H81u_R31XIwDXPI&index=1
It's kind of embarrassing no composer -- not Faure, not Scriabin, not Chopin -- wrote any Impromptus remotely in the same league as Schubert's D. 899 or D. 935.
Let's see what's new on The Classic Review.https://theclassicreview.com/album-reviews/review-susan-tomes-women-and-the-piano/>Susan Tomes conceived this album while preparing to write a book about the history of women playing the piano (Women and the Piano: A History in 50 Lives). Although the book was meant to cover women as pianists rather than as composers, her curiosity eventually led her to a diverse array of female composers. Some included here, such as Fanny Mendelssohn, Clara Schumann and Amy Beach, have thankfully begun to enter the piano repertoire, but others, like Marianne Martínez and Raie Da Costa, remain largely unexplored.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq4jZb4yhAs&list=OLAK5uy_nSYfAZTyk8zTrMsq4iowSWW-Rf4wxGw5Q&index=1Neat.
>>131927028most people here are just doing an impression of the abrasive opiniated genius, and repeating things they've heard said
>>131917833>>131917842Fux and species counterpoint are dogshit. you would know this if you ever had to learn 4-part harmony.Bach himself had never even heard of Fux until he was in his forties.
>>131929930no one of note thinks this
>>131930032and you are?nobody, that's what I thought.
>>131929785glad you're having fun with your DEI pokemon anon
>>131930126>DEI pokemonkek.
>>131930076ESL moment
>>131930126Just sharing the latest recording reviewed by The Classic Review. I'm not advocating for it or anything. But you should look into why the mere sight of a recording consisting of several women composers bothers you so much.
>>131930497because if I have to hear another Amy Beach or Florence Price piece of crap on About Time imma choke a bitch.
>>131930515Fair enough. It has pieces from other composers but you're right, nothing special.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmuqAcYTn7A&list=OLAK5uy_nSYfAZTyk8zTrMsq4iowSWW-Rf4wxGw5Q&index=8I don't write the reviews, I just share them here.
>>131929492Uhh, yes they did. Scriabin's 12/2 is a candidate for the best impromptu ever:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWa8jkm8ea4And Chopin's fantaisie-impromptu is also very, very close, specifically because Koczalski did something absolutely magical here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au33_fvyJng>>131927733Tchaikovsky is easily the best.>>131927878Holy bait.
>>131930545>tchaikovsky is easily the bestI was literally repulsed by the lack of form when I heard his first piano concerto in concert. I never noticed what an amorphous piece of crap it was before.
>>131930597Your loss. That said, I don't like his piano concerto either, but his violin concerto is easily in top 2, no contest. Mendy's got to be the 1st and that's all. Beethoven's, Brahms' and Sibelius' are lovely, but they aren't even in the same league, not even close.And the symphonies 4-6, ballets, Romeo and Juliet, are peak melodicism.
Schuberthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC3fEtsajnM&list=OLAK5uy_mJ9ZxPF3SpEZNW9D9tnappgSH2bjlC36w&index=1
popped the melatonin and gonna fall asleep to Sibelius' symphonieshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vdzspYVKFE&list=OLAK5uy_kaaYqjGU5x97XwkSIm4gayFy8gjR6M5K0&index=13
>>131930545>Scriabin's 12/2 is a candidate for the best impromptu everEh, it's a very good piece, but still some way from being as Schubert's. And I say that as a big Scriabin fan.
>>131930945being as good as*
>>131930945 And I say that as a big Schubert fan who prefers Rach and Medtner to Scriabin by miles. Scriabin's best efforts were when he unbashedly imitated Chopin (specifically the 48/1 nocturne in the case of 12/2 impromptu)
>>131931167Interesting how different we are! I completely disagree with much of what you've said, but that's how it goes.
>>131931354Indeed.
Ive been glennmaxing lately>moved to northern ontario>started dressing wearing gloves and a big overcoat all year round>started ignoring traffic laws>stopped playing piano, just read sheet music insteadIts been great
>>131931616you left out:>started to pop a bucket of pills every day.>walk down the street whistling twelve tone rows.>make autistic documentaries.
>>131931674I'm getting there, im not in my late glenn era yet.
>>131931616how did he manage to look so kino
that heckin' dissonance!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPAPxpfIUKY#t=16m39s
>>131930658The first movement of Brahms' violin concerto alone is better than the whole of Mendelssohn's.
What are Liszt's best orchestral works?
>>131933586no idea but it's definitely not his dante symphony. that one's just a meandering mess.
>>131933632kill yourself.
>>131933586Faust Symphony, Les Preludes, Fantasia on Hungarian Folk Tunes, Mazeppa, Tasso, Hungarian Rhapsodies, the list goes on...first peep this recording by Karajan and if you like what you hear, go for the more comprehensive set by Haitinkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Loud6FguK_g&list=OLAK5uy_kNgx8Iga49-zft3t1Ze0b41oscT1fqZvc&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qLBwpKVdCU&list=OLAK5uy_mk0HU76s7v_H0r2UvuAxXs5PwFFWwuubo&index=1There's a few great recordings of the Faust Symphony. Bernstein (twice), Solti, Sinopoli. I especially like this more recent one by Karabits though.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLxCtfbZRjc&list=OLAK5uy_n_KWEi5a4p8C1CRYhf2N1qIASm8HREV9Q&index=1and finally, for a set of the orchestrated Hungarian Rhapsodies (aside the ones already on the Karajan set), I like this one by Ivan Fischerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU8BuOH9T94&list=OLAK5uy_niFDK0Fkvo1aNEAp9cFguFKiXxUhHxbNQ&index=1Enjoy!
*gets recommended to you on spotify*your response?
>>131933834Every name on there looks fake
>>131933586Faust up to the singing. Shame!
>>131933834Lol I noticed that too. Tons of plays too. Is it really only because of the asian woman?
Mozart > Beethoven.
>>131934086>Yet his music was always delightfully gayBeethoven won
>>131933834And this guy
>>131934086I just don't find Mozart's music that moving. Often times not at all. The tunes are always delightful and the form impeccable, but it does not resonate with me, my heart, or my soul.
now playingstart of Schubert: String Quartet No.10 in E flat Major Op.125https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA1szG08Lqk&list=OLAK5uy_lGrxbqanH9xBrxMpJqQk-GomMAQ9cm4gU&index=2start of Schubert: String Quartet No.15 in G Major Op.161https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzLnLl16Ewg&list=OLAK5uy_lGrxbqanH9xBrxMpJqQk-GomMAQ9cm4gU&index=5https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lGrxbqanH9xBrxMpJqQk-GomMAQ9cm4gUIt's interesting how with Beethoven it's sixteen string quartets, with Mozart it's the Haydn Quartets and on -- so 10 string quartets -- and with Schubert it's only the final three, with the occasional one movement 12th. The performance of the 10th here does a good job of showing maybe the appreciation for Schubert's string quartets ought to be expanded.
>>131934169Love him or hate him, everyone should at least try Schiff's recordings and see where they stand.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoi5l4Syfag&list=OLAK5uy_mn8TCS5BcSQokOqyvW58qnm9fL5rFE7AY&index=4
>>131934275>everyone should try a bland MIDIWhy?
>>131934337To appreciate pianists with talent more.
>>131932773Sounds... Romantic?!
>>131933230Incorrect. The very first motif in Tchaikovsky's violin concerto alone is better than entire career of Brahms.
>>131934275He's got the best piano WTC (Decca).I love him.
Saint-Saëns.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3yj6DikLMI&list=OLAK5uy_lNgoxeqniI5DeTUiLs-YcvD2Sepnx2fAM
>>131934694>>131934694>>131934694New!If you believe in Beethoven the Romantic, that is.
>>131934086saving this because it perfectly expresses my feelings, and I love Beethoven
>>131934477actually sound baroque
the kitty brunnhilde meme
