we're so back editionASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_PageBlog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdyGeneral search: http://searcherr.work/TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chaptersold: >>25561213
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>threads can't even reach bump limit anymoreWhat went wrong?
>>25581918It’s all been said
>>25581918because the fat faggot sucks and everyone who doesn't know it yet are the 3 people who post in these threads
>>25581918anons are successfully moving on. here's to us too succeeding.
>>25581918George said again that he's making progress so now we're just waiting patiently
>>25581657Dany should have died, Viserys should have lived Same with Sansa and Robb Idk if I am a misogynist
>>25583699Viserys is a retard and would have been shanked within five seconds without Dany tardwrangling him around the Dothraki. Even with her tardwrangling he still got himself killed. Even assuming he survived the Dothraki through some miracle while Dany didn't, he'd have been offed in Qarth, either by the Thirteen or Varys and Illyrio who would never suffer a rival claimant to fAegon.
Are there any mountain clansmen still in the Kingswood, or have they all returned back to the Vale (through burning Riverlands, somehow)?
It was not the right call.
>>25583719Viserys could have stayed with Illyrio and not made his way across the Dothraki sea. Varys and Illyrio could have used him to test the waters for a Targ claim while the five kings were at war. The main issue would have been an army, but they could have probably gotten Dorne if Varys preempted Tyrion sending Myrcella, and the Golden Company could have sacked Casterly Rock for their pay.
>>25583853This would have made the reveal that white walkers are just ice Valyrians more obvious
>>25583853>blatant x-men ripoff that would have been corny as shit>or dragons that are massively popular to the point normies know half their names>anon thinks he should have gone with the first option
>>25583858Of course if Illyrio did research on the dragons or thought about it for a couple minutes, he could have used the eggs for something other than a wedding gift. Even as it happened, he should have given at least one to Viserys.
>>25583858Varys and Illyrio would have just killed him. What Varys and Illyrio's exact plan for Daenerys was remains a bit of a mystery but it is blatantly obvious they wanted Viserys out of the picture. They cared so little for Viserys and Dany that Illyrio has an entire passage where he says he just considered taking Dany as a bed slave.
>>25583862>cater to normies Except Asoiaf excels when it doesn’t do this and sucks when it does
>>25583890It didn't cater to normies, it was so good that even normies find it memorable. That is good. Shitty ripoff X-Men powers are not good and would not be half as memorable or fun to theorize and talk about. We've reached critical mass at George taking so long that we're grasping for shitty discarded ideas and coping that they would have been better and caused the books to be out by now. Are you going to say that Brienne getting raped and Jon/Arya being a thing were the way to go as well?
>>25583898>It didn't cater to normies, it was so good that even normies find it memorable. That is goodYou’re a normie who thinks dragons are cool lol
>>25583924I think the setup for dragons in ASOIAF is awesome and about as far away from "big lizard that hoards gemstones and lives in mountains" as you can get, yes. Blood magic forming a symbiotic relationship between dragons and families that have to keep fucking each other to maintain that magic is objectively unique and interesting and denying that is just emblematic at how deeply contrarian we are at this point.
>>25583859Maybe the original Valyrian type race were just fire elementals, then some were turned into ice elementals by cotf magic ritual, and then the Valyrians later became dragonriders by mixing their fire magic with blood magic
So what's up with literal Neanderthals, the Ibbenese, being in asoiaf?
>>25583961They are the last bastion of the hairy men, the true native men of the planet whose blood hasn’t interbred with the spacefaring nephelim alien race
>>25583699don't speak on big sansa like that
>>25584016Sansa is a waste of page space and her direwolf should have been named Shaggydog (if you missed it, GRRM has confirmed that Sansa was going to die and he might change that without meaningfully impacting the plot)
>>25584024>I liked the tv show version of Sansa so much I might change her ending in the book and keep her alive -GRRM Show Sansa sucks so bad and I think George’s tastes have gone to shit with his old age
>>25584035Show Sansa was honestly fine, the problem is that she was portrayed as a girlboss for fucking her family (and especially Jon) over when she should have been portrayed as a villain. Sansa going dark but in the political sense when compared to Arya going dark in the violence sense is actually a good idea imo, she just shouldn't be rewarded for it and it should be tragic.
>>25584035Nuncle…please sit
>>25583719Viserys is a retard with low survival skills yes, but I think it would have been interesting plot wise to have him get his gold crown a little later in the series. At least to give Dany a sibling rival so that she is not surrounded by simps all the time
>>25583936I think the Targs might have used black magic to turn their kids and loved ones into dragonsThat's why baby Rhaego was covered in scales
>>25583864>>25583870They were literally homeless before. Chances are they are not a prince and princess just a couple of mad bums he picked up
>>25584345That would be a fun twist but Viserys remembers Westeros and his time at court and both of them remember Willem Darry.
>>25584345Barristan knew Aerys and Rhaella extremely well and would have recognized if the woman claiming to be their daughter looked nothing like them. Viserys also has knowledge of Westerosi nobility that would be incredibly implausible for a random illiterate Essosi street urchin to know.
>Now he was a man, now a wolf, now a man againThe guy who's been saying that Jon's dead almost got me with his arguments, then I reread Mel's chapter. This nigga's coming back.
STAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANIS
What's the asoiaf equivalent of this?
>>25585166There is none, divorce isn't a thing in Westeros. I guess the closest equivalent would be Ashara surviving and, assuming it was Ned she had a thing with, seeing him pump five kids into Catelyn.
>>25585166>>25585172Oh and Daario knowing Hizdahr is fucking Daenerys I guess.
>>25585172>divorce isn't a thing in Westerosyou sure?
>>25585190GRRM says that, but unless he's genuinely setting up the whole "Rhaegar divorced Elia for Lyanna" plotline that made so many people seethe, I don't think we have any examples from canon except for the extremely weird case of Tyrion and Sansa and even that is murky ground. Even with Doran and Mellario where everything is in Doran's favor (she abandoned him and their children leaving him with no way to make more heirs, she's foreign born, she follows a weird and alien religion) they're still technically married.
>>25585196You can set aside your wife, though it sounds more like annulment than divorce. >When the Andals came, the Hightowers were amongst the first lords of Westeros to welcome them. "Wars are bad for trade," said Lord Dorian Hightower, when he set aside his wife of twenty years, the mother of his children, to take an Andal princess as his bride.>Aerys was learned, in his way, though his interests were largely to do with dusty tomes concerned with ancient prophecy and the higher mysteries. Wed to Aelinor Penrose, he never showed an interest in getting her with child, and rumor had it that he had even failed to consummate the marriage. His small council, at their wits' ends, hoped it was simply some dislike of her that moved him, and thus they urged him to put her aside to take another wife. >The Knight of Flowers writes Highgarden, urging his lord father to send his sister to court. The girl is a maid of fourteen, sweet and beautiful and tractable, and Lord Renly and Ser Loras intend that Robert should bed her, wed her, and make a new queen. >"He betrayed one already, or have you forgotten?" the woman said. "Oh, I don't deny he's loyal to Robert, that's obvious. What happens when Robert dies and Joff takes the throne? And the sooner that comes to pass, the safer we'll all be. My husband grows more restless every day. Having Stark beside him will only make him worse. He's still in love with the sister, the insipid little dead sixteen-year-old. How long till he decides to put me aside for some new Lyanna?"
>>25585226It seems like something only the king can do (barring the Hightower example, but this was the metaphorical wild west days of Westeros under the Old Gods) and even then mostly theoretically. Still the more I read this the more I'm really starting to think that people might be coping that Rhaegar putting aside Elia for Lyanna didn't come straight from George because this sure is a lot of setup for him trying it.
>>255961Imo, all land-dwelling humanoids are some sort of paleolithic apemen in asswife. Giants might be Gigantopithecus, Ibbenese are neanderthals, some of the Free Folk can be more basal homo sapiens and Brindlemen are classic apemen from old pulp fantasy
>>25585424>>25583961
>>25582822what a lying faggot
>>25584918He could have been an escaped pleasure-slave from Lys who was taught history Kind of like how geishas were often educated so they could talk to geeky clientale
>>25584918She could be Lyseni and thus purple-eyed like themHow many Lyseni has Ser Bystand Selfish met
>Even after all these years, Ser Barristan could still recall Ashara's smile, the sound of her laughter. He had only to close his eyes to see her, with her long dark hair tumbling about her shoulders and those haunting purple eyes. Daenerys has the same eyes. Sometimes when the queen looked at him, he felt as if he were looking at Ashara's daughter …Ashara threw herself off that tower because they stole her daughter.
If aerea wasn’t put in a tub of ice she would have turned into a dragon
>>25585424explain the jogos nhai hm
>>25585615You guys might have genuine autism if you can't tell that POVs can be colored by grief and loss and not everything is "x is y's secret kid." I don't even think the timeline works because her death must have been fairly soon after Ned's visit if Cersei is able to imply that it was Ned taking Jon that caused it.
>>25581918>no new main books>no new novellas>no new books in generalThis series died with Jon Snow.
>>25583699Dany should have stayed with Illyrio.
>>25583924Dragons are cool and GRRM is a fatfuck who is never going to finish the series.
>>25588998>Dragons are coolWrong>and GRRM is a fatfuck who is never going to finish the series.True
Just checked his blog. The next book will be out before Christmas. Wow, just like that. Honestly I'm psyched
>>25589064>WrongHe's right. Fantasy as a genre IS dragons. Hobbit, Wheel of Time, ASOIAF, and on and on.
>>25589086Lord of the rings had zero dragons so nope
>>25589179Did you miss the Hobbit in the list or are you actually so much of a pleb that you don't know that it was the first ever work set in Middle-Earth?
>>25589191The hobbit is a children’s book (which is why it has a dragon in it)
>>25589209The Hobbit made Tolkien's career and established the fantasy world he would continue to write in. Its main villain is a dragon. The fact that even in the 30s the first thing that came to mind when one thought of fantastical "heroic romances" (as Tolkien put it) was dragons says everything. Because Beowulf, the Volsunga Saga, and the Golden Legend had established you don't write a fantastical story without dragons. Even slop like D&D which has basically codified modern fantasy slapped dragon in the fucking title.
>>25588350nigga phenotypes are very important to the plot in asoiaf, Dany looking like Ashara means something>I don't even think the timeline worksBarristan says that Ashara killed herself out of grief when her daughter came out stillborn, but if the daughter was Brandon's from Harrenhal, then she'd have died before the Tower of Joy events. So either there was a period of depression before she went swimming, or her child was conceived later by a different father.Dany is 9mo younger than Jon. She was conceived around the time he was born. We know that Ashara was alive at that time.
Tolkien sweep
>>25589310>We know that Ashara was alive at that time.And likely dead not long afterwards, as I said Cersei insults Ned by not-so-subtly accusing Ned of stealing Jon (who is Ashara's child in this argument) and that leading to Ashara's death (with Arthur's death contributing). Ashara sticking around for up to nine months after Arthur's death to have a stillborn child and THEN offing herself really doesn't line up with the implications in Cersei's accusations. Even if you disagree with me and argue that Cersei is just pulling from nothing to insult Ned and Ashara could have dithered for a year or two before offing herself, who took Daenerys from her? Varys? If Varys has a plan to sell her as a legitimate Targaryen after concocting some convoluted scheme of faking Rhaella's pregnancy, why not raise her alongside Aegon with the expectation they'd marry for more legitimacy. A lot of rather implausible leaps to make instead of just accepting that a character might be who they say they are for once.
Everything about Dany's early life is fabricated and fake.
Omg GRRM just tweeted, the book will be out for christmas. Zhis id amazing, finally i can know if donryeis bargeran and her magical dragons of wisterwilde will flimp the flomp and piddly the poddly and jon's nose will wear the ring of misty dicks and travel to Ibizai and defeat king voldement and all our theories about made up characters and poorly conceived magical deus ex machinas are true omg this is so great this is like my bible i cant wait! Im so happy i read this books and think about them all the time and talk about them all the time for years on end now its finally paid off
people should really stop saying stannis was a hardcore zealot fanatic, stannis is fucking atheist, he is with the red god based on purely transaction value not because he workship the god or believe in him
>>25589656That makes him a phony tho
>>25589656Yeah, it's always weird that people think he's a crazy zealot. Mel outright admits in her narration that he and Jon are functionally atheists.
>>25589657in his defense, he doesnt hide about it
>>25589659Jon prays thougheverbeit.
Since the more active /got/ general on tv is gone for the moment I'm asking you guys for ideas. I'm going to paint a small army using minis but I can't decide on the Blackfyre rebellion, Robert's rebellion or war of the five kings. So Blackfyres under Daemon, Targaryan loyalists under a young Connington or Stannis (?).
Anyone got the screenshot where a fan asked GRRM a question on logistics or battle tactics or something and GRRM rudely dismisses the question?
>>25589560Dany is the daughter of the false Prince Viserys who was a schizo Lysene prostitute They were both fake
>>25589191Dragons in Middle-Earth are so based I find it hard to get into ASOIAF since the dragons seem less demonic or godlike like in mythology and more like stupid animals used by twinks and roasties to attack people more masculine
>>25588810>Dany should have stayed with IllyrioThen who goes with Drogo?He would have probably razed Illyrio's home to the ground if Dany walked back on the deal
>>25589680Yes, but Mel is under the impression that it's performative (also I always forget and then laugh all over again when I read about Mel trying to get into his personal space and worrying that he doesn't love her like she's a fourteen year old girl): >Melisandre took that as a sign and dismissed her own guard as well. They crossed the yard together, just the two of them. The snow fell all around them. She walked as close to Jon Snow as she dared, close enough to feel the mistrust pouring off him like a black fog. He does not love me, will never love me, but he will make use of me. Well and good. Melisandre had danced the same dance with Stannis Baratheon, back in the beginning. In truth, the young lord commander and her king had more in common than either one would ever be willing to admit. Stannis had been a younger son living in the shadow of his elder brother, just as Jon Snow, bastard-born, had always been eclipsed by his trueborn sibling, the fallen hero men had called the Young Wolf. Both men were unbelievers by nature, mistrustful, suspicious. The only gods they truly worshiped were honor and duty.
>>25590343They wouldn't have needed to open negotiations with Drogo in the first place.It would have been kino if Drogo did not know about Dany but sacked Pentos and captured her anyway.
>>25590512Interesting idea; it removes the need for there to be a plan to destabilize Westeros with the Dothraki. No offense to GRRM but the Viserys plan is kind of weird because there was no guarantee Drogo vs. Golden Company would end with Faegon victory Would Dany work with Mirri Maz Durr in this scenario to kill Drogo
>>25585166
>>25590536I think it would depend on whether Drogo made Dany khaleesi or kept her a slave. In the former scenario, her social position would be entirely dependent on him, and she would have none of the wedding gifts she could consider her own. Therefore, probably not. In the latter case, his death would simply see her claimed as someone else's slave, so she might do it out or revenge, especially if (she thinks) Viserys dies in the sacking or is killed on Drogo's orders.During the sacking, Illyrio might be forced to choose to save either Viserys or Dany. If Viserys is captured, he might find himself sold as a slave in a city.
>>25585166Bloodraven and shierra
Gorgai wasn’t an old ghis colony like the histories say. It was an ancient abandoned asshai colony that was later occupied by ghiscari and then taken over by the Valyrians. A few islands over on axe isle are mysterious black stone ruins and on the mainland was Yeen with its black stone idol. These colonists were the “ancient nameless people from beyond the shadow” that taught the Valyrians how to tame dragons. They “taught” them cross species blood magic breeding, a practice the Valyrians continued to practice for centuries on the island that they renamed goggossos. The ghiscari discovered the same magic and used it to make harpies and sphinxes. Gorgai = gorgon, half serpent half human winged creatures from myth
>>25590568>I think it would depend on whether Drogo made Dany khaleesi or kept her a slave. In the former scenario, her social position would be entirely dependent on him, and she would have none of the wedding gifts she could consider her own. Therefore, probably not. In the latter case, his death would simply see her claimed as someone else's slave, so she might do it out or revenge, especially if (she thinks) Viserys dies in the sacking or is killed on Drogo's orders.The possibility is in favor of revenge for Viserys because she loves her brother and her issue with him was less so abuse and more so that he pimped her to another dude. She felt (rightfully) betrayed by him if the last chapter is anything to go by. On the bright side, if the raiders also took the eggs the murder could still work as a sacrifice to get dragons>During the sacking, Illyrio might be forced to choose to save either Viserys or Dany. If Viserys is captured, he might find himself sold as a slave in a city.That's an interesting scenarioWho is more valuable? I think Illyrio never cared for Viserys
>>25591203Daenerys is more valuable to Illyrio. Regardless of the schizos making up theories about some weird grand conspiracy to hypnotize two random Valyrian children into being Targaryens, the fact is Daenerys is the last confirmed Targaryen female, which is far more valuable in securing Aegon's legitimacy than a mad Targaryen who's going to contest Aegon's claim to the throne.
>>25583870Illyrio tells Tyrion he was going to rape Daenerys and kill Viserys but when Viserys died he sobbed; its really not consistent
>>25591209The Dothraki would probably be grabbing for the girl rather than the boy (even if he was a skinny twink who was the same weight as a girl at twenty fucking years) so I guess it might also depend on who Illyrio can reasonably spirit out of thereBut I agree that he will probably chose the girl as a bride for Aegon It's obvious he was a retcon since Daenerys didn't get arrange married to him
>>25591210Essosi men are consistently described as over-emotional in an off-putting and blatantly fake way, Xaro is the same way. In that line, Jorah even speculates he was actually crying at some of his plans getting fucked up.
>>25591216Either that or the conspiracy that Illyrio was erm... doing something with him so my hope is Jorah was right
>>25591210Nah that was Illyrio manipulating Tyrion because he knows Tyrion is lustful and talking about how he wanted to rape her will make tyrion go to Dany and serve her.Viserys and Illyrio are both worried if shes pretty enough for Drogo to want to marry, so clearly she was never so hote Illyrio wanted to rape her.
>>25590937Very interesting idea anon>mysterious black stone ruinsIsn't oily black stone over there, like the statue on Toad Isle and thus squisher/deep ones who built the city on Yeen?I'll have to re-read it and give my thoughts and finish the second edition of the Shrike theory write up
>>25591235I dunno, I think Illyrio was telling the truth there. Daenerys is consistently described as physically attractive, so that's either a weird first bookism or they're more concerned if Daenerys is the type of woman a Dothraki khal would like than if she's conventionally attractive to your average nobleman. Putting aside theories about her identity, Serra was also blatantly of Valyrian origin and Illyrio was very much attracted to her.
>>25591242Based shrike anon. And true I forgot about toad isle
>>25585166Joffrey marrying Sansa to Tyrion
>>25590937Are sphinxes and harpies even real in the setting? I thought both were mythical creatures
>>25591575Would it really be that weird if they were? Dragons aren't the only mythical creatures that we know exist, Ghost senses Shaggydog fighting a unicorn in ADWD. Plus basilisks and all the crazy shit in the shivering sea.
>>25591575According to Elio garcia in the first draft of world of ice and fire George confirmed that real sphinxes existed in the Valyrian Freehold and were results of blood magic and cross breeding
>>25591611>According to Elio garcia in the first draft of world of ice and fire
>>25591622Some nigga asked and he gave an answer that at the least GRRM has considered making them real. This entire general should be shuttered if writing your fanfiction with no basis in the books isn't allowed and AWOIAF shouldn't even be in that image if we're going full purist.
This year
>>25591661GURM will annnounce sequel to the official GOT cookbook, I can taste it in the air bros
I'm really sick and tired of people saying Winds of Winter will never come out. George Raymond Richard Martin is among the greatest fantasy authors of all time, and most certainly the greatest of our generation. If he needs some time to himself he has damn well earned it. The A Song of Ice and Fire series has captured the imagination, and adoration of audiences world wide because of his heroic characters, high stakes, and moral enlightenment. And you fucking talentless virgins think it's okay to make fun of him for being fat. Fuck you! I'll finish the series when I fucking want, I'm not telling you how to do your job you don't get to tell me how to do mine! I think you would all do well to be reasonable in your expectations for George Martin, he really is a pretty upstanding man.
R+L=J sucks and ruins asoiaf.
>>25591768Not even in the top 20 things that ruin ASOIAF unless you're a Jon seether.
>>25591768Does Jon have any physical attributes that make him seem like he might be Valyrian? I only read the books, but I don't remember him being described as a twink or anything.
I can die peacefully if stannis beat the boltons. I legit dont care if he died at the end of the battle after reclaiming the north or at the edge of the war against the white walkers. I want him to fucking to WIN battle of ice
>>25591862The books don't have all the lines calling him a pretty boy as the show does but I don't think it's hard to come to that conclusion. He's the son of Rhaegar, who was obviously attractive, and Lyanna who has been explicitly compared to Margaery (one of the most beautiful women in the realm) and was said to have a wild beauty by Kevan. He also looks like Arya who has been called pretty by people with more objective lenses than her sister trying to denigrate her. There's also the fact that every woman he comes into contact with wants to get into his pants. In terms of physical traits that might be Valyrian, he is explicitly noted to be quick and graceful in comparison to Robb, who is more muscular. But no, he doesn't have any traits that would scream to everyone around him that he's Valyrian. Because if he did he'd be dead.
>>25591889>Lyanna who has been explicitly compared to MargaeryThought that was Renly's wishful thinking so he can catfish Robert.
>>25591488>>25590937Okay lets read about Sothoryos and Yeen it's been a while>Sothoryi natives near the coast have snouts and bristled hair and cannot breed with humans, but they have learnt to talk the 'trade talk' So Japanese orcs like beings but they are literally non humans that have intelligence and capable of speech, bascially a talking pig/boar men. But canon proof that there are non-human beings that can talk and have a mind (well maybe half human)>Farther south the Sothoroyi are called the Brindled menThey're different from costal Sothoroyi I guess>Brindled men worship dark gods with obscene rites Huh, that's the exact language used for what used to occur in K'dath>There used to be other races here that were eaten/destroyed by the Brindled men>Tales of LIZARD MEN, lost cities and eyes cave dwellers are commonplace (although there is no evidence for any of these)>Remember that Yeen is a massive city made from oily black stone (so built by the deep ones)Oh fuck, Yeen is a second K'dath. There were two lizardman cities. Toad isle (a meta lovecraft reference to the god Tsathoggua) has to this day fishmen half breeds people living around it (fishlike aspect to their faces, webbed feet and hands. Was the toad statue built by deep ones in as some sort of celebration/acknowlegement of deep ones/squishers evolving to be amphibians and air breaters and being able to live on the surface world, who migrated in land and built Yeen? Sothoryos is where you get Wyverns so is the birthplace of blood magic and creating dragons through Wyverns/ fyrewyrms and human women. Were the brindled men the first succes in this blood magic breeding a new race of half men half boars? Was it non human lizardmen who created/discovered this science/magic. Or did the deep ones turn themselves over to interbreeding with other races to create the lizardmen and colonise land? Then needed a slave race that was the brindled men. Then the brindled men rebelled and killed them all, JUST LIKE the Elder Things and their Shoggoths?
>>25591948Kill yourself magic fag, it's all sci-fi.
>>25591917I don't think Renly is completely BSing here, there probably are people who say that which is what caused him to concoct his plot to inch out Cersei with her in the first place. Plenty of people would have seen her at Harrenhal. Ned doesn't see that girly beauty because he is pretty much always obsessed with her wolf blood in his recollections of her, and considering that the very last time he saw her it was probably to receive a life-shattering truth about her agency in running away with Rhaegar, it makes sense.
>>25591948This section ends and then the next past is about grass lands of Essos and the fisher Queens and Sarnori people. Their name being a reference to the Doom that came to Sarneth where some froglike people and their aquatic lizard god from Ib are genocided and then 1,000 years later on their death anniversary rise from the lake to kill everyone and turn them into the forg beings from Ib.So fish/frog people living in huge lakes in a grassland are introduced next to text taking about Yeen, Sorthoyos, human animal breeding programs, and lizardmen. You're slick George but I see what you're doing!
>>25591963This fits nicely into my snowrose agenda.
>>25591889You say that but old George says having silver hair and purple eyes aren't Valyrian exclusive. Dark Star looked stereotypically Valyrian and no one cared.
>character does something stupid>fanbase: THEY WERE WARGED/GIVEN PROPHETIC DREAMS
>>25592056theres obviously something to the daynes looking like valryians
>>25592165It's the Valyrians that look like Daynes. The Daynes are an ancient house while the Valyrians were sheep fuckers.
>>25585166>What's the asoiaf equivalent of this?Jaime marrying Cersei to Loras
>>25581657Two more weeks until TWOW!
>>25592056Ned could have claimed Ashara as the mother if Jon came out with silver-gold hair and purple eyes (and indeed that would have been his only option) but the fact remains that bringing a baby with those traits to the capital would have attracted far more attention and questions than a Jon who just looks like a Stark.
>>25592756Well, actually, correction, he could have equally claimed some Lysene whore as his mother but it still would have resulted in everyone at the capital (most notably Varys) looking into Jon's birth.
>>25591235Illyrio is a sleaze so I could buy him wanting to rape her
What do the Others do with the sheep Craster gives them?
>>25592934Here's how I see it>Others can only manfiest from the trees and cold when there's enough magical energy>There are seven of themWe see that many at the start, and this setting has a lot of repeating seven motiffs (from the faith of the seven), but the 7 kingsguards is a reflection of the 7 white walkers. The 3 outside the tower of joy are written very Othery>They need blood magic sacrifice to power their manifestation, animal blood will work but not as good as human blood>Destroying an Other doesn't kill themSam the Slayer killed an Other with dragon glass, there's still seven of them, that body that manifested was destroyed but it can reform later.
>>25592934Niggas gotta eat.>>25593588>muh blood magicKys, you're fucking worse than Preston.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10U3K-ytkb4New Tad Williams and GRRM talk recorded last month.
>>25594282Cunt blood magic is what allowed Dany to hatch her eggs, its a real power.Magical frozen forest spirits don't need to eat like humans do, fuck off dumb cunt
Scott Bakker 1000x times better writer than Hack R.R. Martin.
STAAAAAANIS
>>25594350Lmfao George knows about the Minotaur milking meme book
>>25594414No you retard, the dragons hatched because of Dany being pregnant.
>actually the Others need Craster's goats blood for magic>nope, the Others can't just use a fucking elk or any wild animal, they need the goats from Craster
>>25592934They milk their cocks for their cum. It’s cum magic
>>25595299Dany was no longer pregnant by the time the dragons hatched.
>>25595299Nah it was because dany made a burnt offering to the blood comet
>>25595318That’s so fuckin hot
STANNISSTANNISSTANNISSTANNISSTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANIS
>>25594350George just let it slip that the long night = the ice age, what are the implications of this
>>25595439Robb, Stannis, Jon and Dany get the absolute coolest ASOIAF art and it's not even close.
>>25595448If we transpose Westeros onto Britain>Arm of Dorne = Doggerland>First Men = Celtic substrate (especially the 'Dark Briton' phenotype)>Andals = Anglo Saxons>Rhoynar = ?>Targs = Normans Children of the forest would be the primeval hunter gatherers who antedated the Anatolian farmers that formed the 'celtic' substrate, never interbreeding.
>>25595541Rhoynar are the Arabic invasions since Dorne is basically a weird Spain analogue slapped onto Medieval Britain land.
>>25595541>Targs = NormansI’ve long entertained the possibility that the white haired Valyria phenotype came from far north Westeros originally, there would be a certain elegance to that
>>25595662Others = Ice Targs does make sense, but Targs/Normans as alien overlords who maintain a populationally small but firm hold on political power seems right.
>>25595662>Archmaester Fomas was an archmaester of the Citadel. He wrote the book “Lies of the Ancients”. He argues that the mythic Others were nothing more than a tribe of First Men established on the far north and forced by the Long Night to engage in conquests to the south, becoming monstrous in tales told thereafter by House Stark and the Night's Watch to give themselves a heroic background as saviors of mankind.[1] In the same book he also makes some erroneous claims regarding the founding of Valyria and certain lineal claims in the Reach and westerlands which is why the book is little regarded these days.[1]Pale haired northerners go south as the weather gets too cold to survive, establish footholds in the reach and westerlands (casterlys and Hightowers?) and then go east to found Valyria, According to fomas
>>25595742Also recall brans vision of a pale haired woman in the ancient past sacrificing someone to a tree
>>25595742Why would you put any word in the guy who was blatantly wrong about the Other's inhuman nature? If there's anything consistent across ASOIAF it's that maesters barely know what they're talking about half the time. Old Nan is unironically more reliable than Fomas here.
>>25595758Could be George masking a truth behind a misconception. A revelation hidden behind a falsehood. The others are Inhuman magical creations but ALSO there was a tribe of first men who fled south to conquer
>>25595775The question I always have with people positing theories like this is how does it affect the story? Sure, the Valyrians could be First Men who fled south and then to Essos, large scale migrations like that do happen in ASOIAF, but if it were to be revealed in the books, what storytelling purpose would they serve? People have way too many theories for the economy of page space we have left.
>>25595775Think about it, pale white blonde people come from Northern Europe not the Middle East
>>25595790>how does it affect the storyI think George just has fun with world building in the same way we like to theorize, maybe it won’t have an effect on the story at all but it gives me a tingle in by balls to connect dots and create these hidden narratives and I think George is the same and leaves those little breadcrumbs in his writing for us to discover
>>25595804Like George has come out and said he has an entire origin story about house Dayne but also admits he will never get around to writing about it
>>25595804It would be cool, but my opinion is that George doesn't write like that, unless he's lying in his interviews about these kinds of things. The Free Folk do have a certain blondness with characters like Val that could be linked to Valyrians (not sure if I recall any Free Folk with outright silver-gold hair though) but I don't think George is relying on real world hair color genetics to write his story. The First Men hanging out in Dorne should long have darker hair and eyes if that were the case and yet Gerris Drinkwater blue-green eyes and dark blonde hair. The Valyrians could in all honesty just be a people that somehow remained pale and light haired even when surrounded by darker skinned people because it's fantasy and George doesn't have to explain shit.
>>25595810That’s all very fair but have you considered the fact Romulus and Remus were raised by she wolves?
>>25595830>secret prince(s) raised by wolvesGeooooooooooorge!!!
>>25595810>The Free Folk do have a certain blondness with characters like ValHer very name is a hint from George
>>25581657I have an awful cosmic track record where when I get into something, something tragic happens. I started reading Berserk and a week later Miura died, I learned who Terry Davis was a month before he died, I watched When Harry Met Sally for the first time the day before Rob Reiner was murdered. All I'm saying is, I have started reading ASOIAF this week. I'm sorry.
>>25595340But she was pregnant and that activated the eggs, remember that they're warm.>>25595366Kill yourself.
>>25595662And you're ignoring the Qartheen and Sarnori, why exactly?
>>25596050Retarded
>>25589086Reminder that no one considered dragons fantasy until the 20th century. Skulls and bones of Ice Age megafauna or marine reptiles were routinely displayed in European towns as physical proof of dragons or "Lindwurms". Even the 1902 Encyclopaedia Britannica still carried cautious notes debating their past existence.
I think the most interesting ending would be Bran getting "marked" but it's basically a possession where the Night King takes over his body but nobody knows that except Bran who is unable to communicate this process happening and then the same thing plays out where Bran sits on the Iron Throne but it's really the Night King. The end.
>>25596437i mean this is exactly what is going to happen but its bloodraven not the night king
>>25596437The Night King will not be a thing in the books, it's Bloodraven that will use Bran.
>>25596519i think its possible Stannis becomes a "night king" esque figure, at least becomes an Other. There are so many references to his deep blue eyes and skeletal gaunt look
>>25596505Fuck off faggot
Stannis scorching his daughter only makes sense if they are facing the white walkers and he needs to make a sacrifice
>>25596565How does Melisandre / Rhllor fit into that?
>>25589744Stannis loyalists!
>>25583974where does it imply that some race/ethnicity in asoiaf world descent from outer space aliens?
>>25584024>>25584035so theory about her marrying FAegon were true
>>25597047>the god on earths empire flourished for a thousand years until he at last ascended to the stars to join his forebears
>>25596878I'd imagine it'd be just like the show that its what causes mel to realize that jon is the real azor ahai
>>25597122the show never had an azor ahai
>>25597122Mel has already gotten giant glaring signs from R'hllor that Jon is Azor Ahai, she's just ignoring them.
>>25597266coping mechanism that her king were false prophet
Jon Snow getting Samwell's fat ass exempt from finishing his training and that not having any negative repercussions is bad writing. The Black Brothers aren't trained as some humiliation ritual they do really dangerous shit, and not being properly trained is a really bad idea.
is this bullshit?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbmqWDmNNsk
>>25597430It's all bullshit unless GRRM confirms it on his blog or on an in person interview. I just wish he'd split the books at this point. I know he's autistic about wanting seven, because seven kingdoms; worship of the seven, fitting thematically but Westeros has gotten way too big at this point to be seven books like he wanted. He's got around 1100 manuscript pages of Winds done, he could easily find a cut off point where he could comfortably segue it into the next book.
>>25597470>he could easily find a cut off point where he could comfortably segue it into the next bookHe needed to break his last book into two and it still ended up being a cock tease full of filler and without a satisfying end.What makes you think he'll succeed this time?
>>25597470Asking GRRM to give himself more excuses to waste time and never get anything done is retarded. He needs to cut the filler and tell a satisfying ending to his series rather than waste our time with nonsense. Cut the POVs that add nothing and have important POVs (like Dany, Jon, Tyrion) meet up ASAP and you can easily tell the remaining story in two books.
>>25596786King Bran (Bloodraven) is literally how it's going to end and anyone coping about this is stuck in 2010
>>25598162>it's going to end
uhhhh
>>25598801for me cersei x margaery
What do you guys think GRRM is like in his personal life?
>>25598944his bowel movements are of note
>>25598801>>25598940>The gooey warm sensation inside her and the sordid knowledge that it was her own beloved son who was emptying his baby-making batter inside her brought Rhaenyra to her own orgasm a moment later, as she shivered and gasped against him, grinding her pelvis against his as he continued filling her.>When their mutual orgasm died down, she collapsed atop him with a long sigh, planting kisses on his shoulder. They said nothing for several moments before she ran her fingers through his brown hair. “Luke…are you alright?”
>Boltons were Red Kings of Dreadfort>There's house and castle Redfort in the Vale>At least four of said Kings were named Royce, although only two are (very minor) historical characters>House Royce is ancient house in the Vale>Only other named Red King was Rogar the Huntsman>One of the other ancient Valemen houses is house Hunter >Domeric Bolton, dead son of Roose Bolton, squired for lord Horton RedfortI had one more connection I forgot. Hunters, Royces and Redforts are all First Men houses
>Why did you sent that letter, Ramsay>how the fuck you defeated Stannis>what are you saying, i dont even know how to write lmao
>i mean
>>25598944He’s a cringy faggot woke incel freak
>>25599788Wtf do woke guys always have creepy rape fantasies of abusing girls
>>25598801For me its>Dany and Margaery>Jorah and Young Griff >Viserys and Mirri Maz Dur
>>25598801Gay pairings aren't that common in ASOIAF fanfic strangely enough but that is the more common ones.
>>25581657Why can Viserys and Daenerys read in multiple languages if they were urchins and Willem Darry never taught them shit
>>25599922I don't recall any point where Viserys reads anything other than the Common Tongue and I thought he speaks only the Common Tongue, High Valyrian and Bastard Valyrian. Dany just has a way with languages but I'm also pretty sure she's more comfortable reading the Common Tongue, which is presumably what Darry would have taught them as their first language.
>>25599937I don't remember Viserys speaking anything other than commonMaybe that's proof he was a random Lyseni rent boy hypnotized to think that he is prince the way schizos think If he knew a second or third language he would be bitching and swearing to Dany in it all the time
>>25599940A Lyseni rent boy wouldn't known Westerosi accented common and nothing else.
>>25599950I wish we saw some more flashbacks of Daenerys's childhood and could fill in the gaps and avoid lemongate
>>25599963Yeah, lemongate has spiraled out of control so much at this point that GRRM needs to reveal it never meant anything with a flashback at some point if people are taking it farther than it actually is.
>>25599975Yes, more often than not people think that Dany is going to be some kind of twist fake or mummer's dragon They are more likely to think she's a phony and that Viserys was Gerold Dayne/Lyseni whore/random pretender than to accept the exiled prince and princess backstory
>>25599984Viserys WAS a pox-ridden rentboy from Lys and Dany's sire Her mother was Rhaella
>>25599984No way a fake Targaryen hatched dragon eggs.
>>25600121>*raughs in Jacaerys, Lucerys and Joffrey*
>>25600160They're not fake Targaryens lmao, their mother is a Targ even with the strong features of a different father.
Vaush has 6 months of prep time to turn the 7 kingdoms from a conservative monarchy into a liberal socialist democracy, though his clever debate tactics and logical thinking. Can he do it?
>>25600327He'd be too busy jacking off to peasant girls getting fucked by horses to bother
>>25600360Horses don't just go around raping women all day. They're just animals not Ironborn.
>>25600223>their mother is a TargYes, just like Dany.
>>25599937>>25599940Don't forget than Bastard Valyrian is the common tongue of the Free Cities, where Daenerys spent essentially her entire life. Viserys would've naturally learned it too if he weren't too busy doing his "we wuz kings" routine and feeling superior to everyone around him.
>>25600897Viserys lived with Dany on the streets for some time, he would most definitely have picked Bastard Valyrian up which is why I included it alongside Common and HV. Viserys very obviously preferred Common considering he had more than enough time to grow up hearing everyone around him speak it, compared to Dany only ever hearing it from Viserys and Darry and Valyrian from everyone else.
>>25599975Lemongate is definitely intentional, though. The Mercy TWOW chapter is essentially GRRM taking the microphone and yelling at the audience to notice how fucking weird the idea of lemon trees in Braavos is. What it means is the question, though.
>>25600902Are we sure he knew any HV? Because IIRC everybody always had to speak to him in Common.
>>25590511I love the Stannis/Jon parallels so much. They seem so different at the first glance, but they are also very similar in their deeper nature, which is why they both clash and respect each other. Jon's constant "oh no, I'm rooting for a particular king" worries in ADWD are hilarious.
>>25600911They speak to him in Common specifically because he doesn't know Dothraki and refuses to learn but I can't recall any indication he doesn't know HV. I don't see why he wouldn't have learned it growing up in the Red Keep (even in the north Arya knows some High Valyrian, no way a Targ prince isn't learning it) and since we get to ASOS with Dany just knowing High Valyrian already I always assumed the same was true of Viserys.
Realistically Arya and Sansa should've had their identities exposed by their northern accent a long time ago.
If Winds is not out by 2030 it's officially and unequivocally over.
>https://petapixel.com/2026/10/16/photographer-encounters-magnificent-white-stag/WINDS 2027
>>25600991Realistically every region should have their own languages, dialects and accents while the faith should have multiple varieties.
>>25600950It seems most Targs are good at languages. Daenerys picks up languages quickly and is good at translating, Rhaegar wrote poetry, and even Viserys who is the failson of the family randomly memorized a thick tome on dragon keeping.Maybe this family should give up ruling and become Westrosi language teachers in YiTi; I hear there's dragons there
>>25600991>RealisticallyIs anything about grrm's world-building really realistic?
Assume that Winds comes out in 2027.Going by that pace (and the BIG assumption that his writing pace doesn't continue to slow as he ages), Spring will not be released until 2042. Martin would be 94 years old.Does it still seem realistic to you that he'll finish the series before he dies?
Genuinely what is taking Winds so long to release.
>>25602662The fact that it isn't written.
>>25602541>his writing paceHis writing pace is non-existent. The man has been retired for several years now.
>>25602662The fact that he has given up trying to write it.
>>25602690But he has most of it done. What is stopping him.
>>25602704He should probably announce that he's a total quitter if so.
>>25602705>But he has most of it done.Lmao>>25602707>announce that he's a total quitterThat's why he'll never do it. He literally said that it would "make him feel like a total failure" o algo. He is going to keep pretending to be writing TWOW until he's dead.
>>25597430Any rts games?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCUVcrCaaxo
>>25585166Spider-Cuck is real
>The Old Tongue is the language spoken by the First Men of old, the current giants, and free folk tribes such as the Thenns. Only a few terms and translations are known from this language, as George R. R. Martin has not developed the actual language.>... I don't have a whole imaginary language in my desk here, the way Tolkien did ... Tolkien was a philologist, and an Oxford don, and could spend decades laboriously inventing Elvish in all its detail. I, alas, am only a hardworking SF and fantasy novel, and I don't have his gift for languages.Tolkien lived so fucking rent free in Georges head it's actually hilarious.
>>25590328Based secret schizo canon by Georgie boy
>>25602541Only if he stopped being stubborn and accepted it to be co-written by another writer and have editorial supervision, otherwise it's over.
>>25602873What if George made Westeroi language?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFbGxFUpNDQ
>>25600360He probably get butt plug by a fatty whore
>>25602873This feels like a completely relevant thing to bring Tolkien up for thoughever
I wish I had a fat girlcock to slobber all over right now...
>>25603067>>25600377Anon...https://files.catbox.moe/ghzga4.jpg
>Stannis and Renly both knew about Faegon>Their civil war was about how to deal with the reinstatment of Targ rule >Reny wanted to fight Faegon to keep Baratheon Dynasty going (not knowing that the Tyrells also know he's coming and were gonna sell him out to him)>Stannis wanted to kneel to Faegon but needs a peace offering to offer Faegon for clemencyHence the war to be King of Westeros so he has actual armies, power to hand over >The peach Renly offered (three times) was actually a coded conversation between Renly and Stannis alone about this very problem>Take the peach (I'll hand over my army and my ideals of being king) and enjoy how sweet it is (sweet being king, but you can only accept to unite Westeros to fight FAegon)>Stannis refused the peach, he had to be king with Renly on side to kneel and surrender to Faegon Stannis expected and demands Renly follow the older brothers even if its aganist his personal wishes, as Stannis followed Rbert into rebellion even though he was a targ royalist at heart (Davos IV ASOS:Though the truth is a bitter draught at times. Aerys? If you only knew . . . that was a hard choosing. My blood or my liege. My brother or my king." He grimaced.)The whole 'I'll go to my grave to thinking of my brothers peach' is to throw cat off from their coded conversation.Renly was dead anyway trying to fight the coming Targ revival so Stannis used shadow magic to kill him.>Dany and Viserys are distractions and sacrifical lambs to make the idea of a pro targ conspiracy and threat seem silly. Beggar king is no threat to Robert, to hide the Blackfyre scheme.HOW Robert, Stannis and Renly know about Faegon plot, when Varys is is the spymaster whose is running that conspiracy aganist them I don't know. But its a compelling idea.
>>25603113>"Stannis is a very marshal man concerned with his duty...Stannis is always concerned with his duty and honor, in what he should be doing..."Stannis isn't a Targ loyalist, he was torn between his brother and his liege because he has a duty to his liege, especially as a house that's basically a cadet branch of the Targaryens. He's also all in on (male) blood right to the throne as seen in his Rhaenyra and other traitors, which means he absolutely had some serious cognitive dissonance about Robert claiming the throne. This is such a fundamental aspect of his character, you don't need a theory about him being secretly in favor of a Targaryen restoration to understand what Davos is getting across there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUM4liYEtNcnew moonman
>>25603159>Torn between duty to his king and the duty to hs familyGRRM heart in conflict with itself. Being a targ loyalist pre rebellion doesnt matter now since he sided with the traitors and won the war.Still the theory I watched frames Stannis trying to be king (which he doesnt want, as seen with him mocking the idea of wanting to sit on the Iron throne) to have some bargaining power with FAegon as him doing his duty to his family and loved ones. Because if he did nothing they'd all be killed for being traitors, so hes making himself do all this, the foreign fire god, killing his brother, fighting a war of succession, all for his family, mostly Shireen to keep her alive and in a good station in life. And maybe to save his own neck too.
>>25603113>But its a compelling idea.It's a bucket of horse piss, it what it is
>>25603181I don't know, I just don't see it. As soon as Stannis picks up the Stormlands and a decent chunk of the Reach's army after Renly's assassination, the smart move if he's hoping for a pardon from fAegon is to sit his ass down and wait. He has a lot to offer fAegon already by that point, including a decent fleet in the form of the Velaryons, a solid landing point in the Stormlands and the ancestral home of the Targaryens, he doesn't need much else. Stoking a religious movement that sees him as a messianic king also doesn't seem very smart if he's going to immediately bend the knee to someone else.
>>25603174Littlefinger, no? Since he did everything to escalate Stark-Lannister feud
>Act 1 of ASOIAF is AGoT, ACoK, and ASoS>Act 2 of ASOIAF hasn't even started because AFFC started originally as the megaprologue for Act 2 and then magically turned into two booksAdmiralKird was right. The Winds of Winter CANNOT fit into the Winds of Winter. Even less so can Acts 2 and 3 fit into two books when Act 1 was three books by itself. Don't be fooled, AFFC and ADWD are only one book with split PoVs.
>>25603203shouldve went with timeskip route now fatfuck must wrote more than 7 books
Why would anyone want to join the Kingsguard if it means you can't fuck anymore?
>>25603309You can get young squire's bussy
>>25603309The vow is not>to marry, father children, and to hold landNothing about fucking whores on the side. Pic related had paramour, and we know that every ~third Kingsguard fucks around and bastards only truly count as yours if you recognize them as such.Vows of celibacy are rarely ever enforced in Westeros. Septons, Night's Watch Brothers and Kingsguards all fuck around and aren't actively punished for it>inb4 but What about Lucamore the LustyThe man swore to take no wife and yet commited bigamy, and we don't take kindly to the oathbreakers around these parts
>>25603174>Petyr didn't do it because "Joffrey... could easily choose to say where he got the idea [of killing Ned]. Littlefinger would have no possible excuse in any way you can think this through and could easily have been found out. So, I never bought this." 13:55 ff.>Slynt "defends himself [against Tyrion] on the grounds that amount to him being stupid. And he is stupid." 23:17 ff.>"So bloody minded Janos went to monstrous young Joffrey and convinced him it would be cool and badass if we bowled over his mom and other counselors and gave the crowd a show. He's stupid, but egging someone on the violence is the bread and butter of a thug like this. All he might have had to do to get the conversation started is lament the fact that treason could go unpunished in the Seven Kingdoms and he'd personally like to see the traitor's head off, to which Joffrey is likely to have responded positively and bemoaned that he was being made to do this. All it would take from there is a little encouragement and all in a way that makes Joffrey feel like it was his idea and he's ordering Janos. Exactly how you would manipulate a petulant boy. Like even a thug like Janos knows how to like egg on a teenager to violence, right? That's not like deep political thinking here. 28:13 ff.This guy is retarded.>Master manipulator obviously cannot manipulate dumb teenager to do X and think X is his own idea.>Bumbling retard obviously can manipulate dumb teenager to do X and think X is his own idea.He has a FAegon narrative and is trying to force the text to fit his own interpretation.
Is George the greatest fat writer of all time?
>>25603525Thomas Aquinas, Samuel Johnson, Balzac, Lord Byron, and GK Chesterton come to mind as being somewhat corpulent. I would say of these, GRRM included, Byron is probably the best.
>>25603540Was Lord Byron a man of size? All the art I've seen of him he looks pretty trim.
>>25603549At 19 he was like 200 lbs, but at 23 he was about 150.
big fan of SirAnk's art
>>25603309>KingsguardNothing about this shit organization makes any sense when you think about it.
>North and north and north he looked, to the curtain of light at the end of the world, and then beyond that curtain. He looked deep into the heart of winter, and then he cried out, afraid, and the heat of his tears burned on his cheeksBad writing, George should have described what bran saw that was so scary
Jonsa status?So back.
>>25604167>Jonsa status?Never even began.
>>25604167Jonsa dead guy who will NOT be revived
>>25604167total Arya victory I'm afraid, showonly
what are GRRM's battles actually likedoes he do anything or skip them like a fat faggot
>>25605560cringe targ on targ violence
I truly believe killing Jon was his greatest mistake. His original ending was going to be a shitpost with the white walkers winning and making everything in the story pointless while they kill everyone in Westeros but the series got way too big and writing that shitpost ending is way too embarrassing now so he has to figure out how to make Jon a heroic figure like Aragorn even though the logic of resurrection in the novel means Jon will be a weird insane freak when he comes back but he didn't anticipate the show blowing up the way it did and now he's stuck and doesn't know what to do.
Purple Wedding from Joffrey POV would be a really fun chapter
>>25605644True Jon can come back retarded and not heroic, but then what’s the point of reviving him, might as well just keep him dead. If he comes back and ends up doing something to save the world then that goes against everything he stands for, yet that’s what everyone is expecting.
>>25605750>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA IM FUCKING DYYYYYYING HEEEEEEEEEELP
>>25605644Jon didn't have his throat cut and it's implied he warged into Ghost. Worst case scenario is he acts like a direwolf and is more aggressive but he should be able to talk unlike Lady Stoneheart. I guess the real issue is what does being inside Ghost for days or months do to his mind when he comes back.
>>25605560nice slop, pajeet>>25605644>the logic of resurrection in the novel means Jon will be a weird insane freak when he comes back like Beric Dondarrion? There are only two (2) cases of resurrection in the novels pal, nobody says he has to come out based like Catelyn
The series would be better if George never revived any characters. Just kill them or don’t
Is it me or was grrm's perversion heavily restrained by his editors? Not a single female PoV gets raped. It happens all around them, threatened several times, but it always misses them by a hair. It seems logically obvious that the hundred riot rapes was supposed to happen to Sansa but an editor restrained grrm, and then he had no idea what to do with sansa most of the book.
>>25606467He wrote chapters of Brienne after she was gang raped by the bloody murmurs but said her being so sad and broken didn't feel right and had Jaime save her. So he wrote and then decided he didn't like it
>>25606529You mean editors saved her. No wonder Brienne had a stretch of so many boring chapters
There was also the gang rape of alicent and haelaena that the editors retconned and pretended never happened
>>25606467Tyrion will rape Cersei in winds of winter
>>25606595Whose PoV will it be during?
>>25583853absolutely the right call, pyrokinesis would have been dumb. also, how do you explain the downfall of a targs? they just get so mixes they can't do their fire thing anymore? Targs being in possession of a WEAPON is more interesting; and when they lose their weapons, they lost their power (though they cling to it for a century without).
>>25598940h-hot
>>25606599Jamie's
>>25606600>how do you explain the downfall of a targs? they just get so mixes they can't do their fire thing anymore?same as with the dragons, hightower fuckery makes magic weaken
Ashford suitors theory is true, but Lannister and Targaryen are the same person
>>25607323Tywin is Tyrion's father
>>25606243The series would be better if it was finished and every female character had K cups and a 46 inch rear.
>>25606190Everyone forgets Coldhands and Melisandre. Though there's a chance Mel is just extending her life with a candle we don't know about instead of being a Wight.
>>25605644>His original ending was going to be a shitpost with the white walkers winningThis is still going to be the ending he's just being a coward about it
Did he rush the ending just to appease HBO?
>>25607437What's bittersweet about that?
>>25606467Dany gets raped.
>>25607521Can't rape the willing
>>25607524She wasn't willing (at first).
>>25607461Oranges my nigga Doran will be eating in Dorne, once the civilization north of the Red Mountains collapses
>>25607526No**No means Yes in Dothrakay
>>25603113What a dogshit theory, fucking kill yourself.
>>25602873>hard-workingThe fat fuck hasn't written a page in decades.
>>25607620That quote is probably decades-old too
>>25602873>... Tolkien was a philologist, and an Oxford don, and could spend decades laboriously inventing Elvish in all its detail.Tolkien did it as a hobby for man years but he has a busy life taking care of four kids followed by military
>>25607521>13 year old virgin girl gets wet for rapist barbarian mass murderer and willingly becomes his fuckslave and falls in love with him in a genuine non-stockholm syndrome wayWhat did George mean by this and what did women mean by self inserting and becoming obsessed with her character
>>25607461Because Westeros is le racist patriarchy
>>25608333GRRM tapped into womens irl instincts that stemmed from hundreds of thousands of years of that very behaviour, same reaosn why women find her so relatable. Also why that think shes a queer icon for getting fingered by her handmaidens/ Drogos other sex slaves. Fucking and getting along with the other sex trophy women kept you alive since a warlord wont kill the prize that likes having sex with his other prizes.Dany is 13 at this stage and thats a whole other thing. girls start to realise their sexaul power over men and start becoming interested in sexual things. This comes from a long history going back to ancient greeks where 12-14 year olds had a kind of mystical power. They're not children because they've begun becoming aware of their sexual power and sometimes using it to manipulate men, but they're not true adults either. That's why Agamemenons sacrifice of his 13 year old daughter Iphigenia has enough power to get the winds to blow in the direction of Troy.
>>25608333They were lawfully married, it's not rape
I forgot how kino Renlys death was.>that standoff >Mellys ominous warning>the sun goes down>it's so obvious the walls are closing in but Renly is too stupid to realize it>the shitshow it causesIt's well deserved too.
>>25608333Dany's POV in AGOT is 10/10. Her story went downhill after that.>>25609003He didn't rape Dany, but he had definitely raped other women before.
>>25608333Women liked the show version where she was a badass adult The thirteen year old virgin who cries and wants to commit suicide thing got most of the women I tried to get into ASOIAF angry If you look at the show the writers encourage self-insertion. Jorah is beautiful instead of a creep, some of Viserys's more sympathetic moments are left out, Dario actually looks handsome etc
>>25608948>They're not children because they've begun becoming aware of their sexual power and sometimes using it to manipulate men, but they're not true adults eitherLmao, the West was founded by megalomaniac paedophiles whose descendants are mostly TurkishThere is no universe where a twelve year old is not a child outside the mind of a retarded paedophile.
>>25608948People who claim that a twelve year old is tempting them sexually or manipulating them are usually just projecting their own impulses onto the kid. As for Agamemenon, thanks for reminding me why I hate the Gayreeks. Any society that was not bankrupt morally would have supported clytemnestra
>>25609430Jorah is beautiful in the books he's just hairy bear mode, which is an acquired taste
>>25609430>Women liked the show version where she was a badass adultYea and they ruined her
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>>25609617Drogon is the twunk Jorah is the bear and Hizdahr is the twink. Daario is the FAGGOT, strong belwas is fat, barristan is oldThey're all just different flavors for Dany's harem, it is known
>>25609430Daenerys also doesn't moon over Daario nearly as much, nor does she marry Hizdahr in a loveless marriage.
>>25609730>Drogon is the twunkhmmm...
>>25609731Yep, its restructured so that she does not lose her dignity. While her romance with Dario is degrading in the book (a lonely teen with no father figure falling for a pop star who abuses and buggers her) the tv version is grown up and a rich woman with a boy toy. It's basically created for girls to self-insert like a shounen manga for boysThe books in comparison are very male gaze, sometimes paedo gazy
I really never ubderstood why Halder despised so much Jon ngl>Inb4 Jon acted like a huge asshole when arrived castle blackHe apologized and started to act better
>>25610306Alliser ***
>>25610306He’s a bastid
>>25610276>and buggers herI must have missed this part.>>25610312Part of it is politics, he is a Targ loyalist.
2027 Winds bros, how are we feeling?
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