moat cailin editionASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_PageBlog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdyGeneral search: http://searcherr.work/TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chaptersold: >>25581657
Stannis! Stannis! Stannis!
STAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANIS
Hey anons quick question, there's a bunch of greasy black stone objects (sea-stone chair), forts (Moat Cailin), cities (Yeen, Asshai) that pre-date Valyria, the people who westerois scholars wrongly think must of built all the black stone stuff, and probably the Long Night too. What are the structures made from FUSED black stone that pre-date Valyria/the Long Night? It seems to me to just be the Five Forts and the base of the High Tower. Are there others? Very telling to me if not.I think the anon who read my theory and said the lizardmen survivors of K'dath fled Essos to Westeros to modern day Old Town, and the first Ironborn pursued them there and killed them, hence why its called battle Isle was correct. Oceanic Deep ones were at war with surface lizardmen, lizardmen built the five forts from fused blackstone, lost K'dath and fled, founding Old Town (more like New Town kek) then built the base of the hightower also of fused black stone.Deep Ones and lizardmen were from the same ancestors, hence their use of blackstone, one was greasy because aqautic water magic made it I dunno, the others fused because fire and surface magic.The Hightowers are of Ironborn stock, which I think is a reveal for when Leyton Hightower becomes opnely in league with Euron as they are both apart ofthe church of Starry Wisdom cult (Eurons High Priest). Which is a nod to lotr, Leyton is Saurman (evil wizard in a tower) serving an evil master who uses the Heraldry of a red eye (Euron)
I finally read the books and I realized now HBO cut:>Viserys crying on the ground after losing his horse>Viserys eating garbage >Dany being buggered by Daario >Jorah force kiss of Dany>Dany crying that she is lonely and her butt is sore from sitting on her throne all day>Dany being sick with flu>Dany getting diarrhea Were they Targ loyalists?
Jon Snow is such a posh snob the only friend he makes at the wall is another high born fail son like him. Fuck Jon Snow
What's his endgame?
Daenerys Targaryen is White trash. An incest baby raised by a schizophrenic single parent who eventually pimped her out to a paedo, homeless and uneducated, sleeps around Did Martin do this on purpose?
For me it's women from the Summer Isles.
>>25611697That girl looks like she's from Naath.Summer islanders are darker.
>>25611762Do you think epstein sourced kid girls from Africa aswell? Or only eastern European countries
>Ah yes the Ironborn, a sea raiding faction that relies on ships, coming from desolate islands devoid of trees>Ah yes renowned calvary, knights of the Vale, coming from a mountainous region devoid of plainsdid grrm drop out of geography in highschool?
>>25611616They also cut the red door memory and every other aspect of Dany making her a bland piece of shit in the show.
When you think about it he is completely right.
>>25611762Naathi look like this
2027Winds
>>25611616>Dany being buggered by DaarioWhen did this happen lol?
>>25611903>That night Daario had her every way a man can have a woman, and she gave herself to him willingly. The last time, as the sun was coming up, she used her mouth to make him hard again, as Doreah had taught her long ago, then rode him so wildly that his wound began to bleed again, and for one sweet heartbeat she could not tell whether he was inside of her, or her inside of him.
The bloodstone = alien artifact from a prehistoric race of technologically advanced reptoids that came from space and ruled planetos while men were still cavemen
>>25611970>she's like 14 or 15 during thisHow did ol Gurm get away with this, lads?
>>25612068No dummy, it's an islandhttps://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Bloodstone
Have any new theories come up about in the last 5 years or so is this place just spinning its wheels
>>25612195By being part of Hollyweird paedo culture for years>>25612255There was a guy on /tv/ who found out that brothels in the medieval/Renaissance times had read doors and has been shilling for years that Viserys III was a schizo Lyseni prostitute and raised Dany to believe in his delusions.His only other piece of proof was GRRM enjoying a novel where a delusional man raises his daughter to think that she is a princess to a lost kingdom when she is a nobody
Would you be interested in the autobiography of a man who fucked his 14 year old daughter and her mom in a threesome?
>>25612411Yuck, I think this is my main issue with George. He advertises his work as morally grey (often putting down older classic writers in the process) but his idea of grey is actually a deep dark black
>>25612394D.H Lawrence's "The Princess" was the story he cited. A chick on Tumblr also pointed out that Viserys and Daenerys seem to quote the story several times. I hope its not true
>>25612255Bro we found out the real name of Azor Ahai and Nissa Nissa thanks to one anon like a few months ago
>>25612707stop the cap nigga
We might just try writting Winds ourselves a sentence at a time.
>>25612884At this rate it's just gonna be Preston Jacob's fanfic as the only real release
>>25612884alright i'll start:sunset
>>25612929And bacon, burned black
>>25612411b-based?
>>25612884I did. Stannis beat the boltons and he dies as he dies after he scorched his daughter to have a chance to beat the white walkers.
>Renly: You'll be pleased to know she came to me a maid.>Stannis: In your bed she's like to die that way.Bantz.
>>25613327Margarine is such a background character, with less agency than Shansha. Maybe we need a Tyrell POV
>>25612255Valyrians are first men from far north Westeros
Kid named sunset
>>25611970why remove the best part?>“Come back to bed and kiss me.” No one had ever kissed her like Daario Naharis. “I am your queen, and I command you to fuck me.”> She had meant it playfully, but Daario’s eyes hardened at her words. “Fucking queens is king’s work. Your noble Hizdahr can attend to that, once you’re wed. And if he proves to be too highborn for such sweaty work, he has servants who will be pleased to do that for him as well. Or perhaps you can call the Dornish boy
>>25614776Unironically might be a bigger whore than Arianne.
bran becomes king[\spoiler]
>>25614772>The Sunset Kid found her shitting in the grass.
>>25614943All roads point to a Greyjoy victory.
>>25614994lol
>>25611662
Why are there no children in Asshai Are they all used in sacrificial spells
>>25611512Kill yourself schizo.
>>25615505Nuclear fallout keeps people sterile.
The Long Night will expose the faith of the seven for being completely and utterly without substance. Andal chuds will mass convert to fire and tree worship to stave off the cold.
>>25611127>>25612891>>25614501>malfoy popularityWhere is female Viserys III meme? A quset for her dark sister?
>>25612891>Preston Jacobbald faggot
>>25610523I find it disheartening how the stones of ASOIAF are already set and there is not much left to speculate. No one is rooting for the Tyrells or Cersei because it's symbolically written out that they have already failed. There is still a lot of brilliance to be had in a predictable storyline, but I much dislike how the books will inevitably center around everyone's demise so that Jon can become Azor Ahai.
>>25615893>the books will inevitably center around everyone's demise so that Jon can become Azor Ahai.Why would anyone want to speculate with you when this is the type of dumb shit floating around in your head?
>>25615646Lol no. The Faith of the Seven is the only religion capable of building civilization. Cheap tricks and talking to trees does not a religion make.
>>25610523I hate the illustrated edition more than anything.Like every other adaptation can be ignored, but the illustrated edition literally shoves the artist's vision into page and canonizes their interpretation.It's literally robbing the medium of novel its main strength, for what?Like what does pic related illustration of Tyrion add?
>>25616256Do you prefer the one with AI illustrations?
>>25616268Why Georgie allow ai slop on wiki?https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/User:Ran
>>25615893>implying Jon will be alive in future books Dummy
I get that Theon didn't know at the time but why was Asha so okay with playing with her brothers cock?
>>25616493Because George finds incest hot (and he is partially right)
>>25616504Maybe it's just because I actually have siblings but the number of people that are into incest stuff is something that I've never been able to comprehend. Like it'd be one thing as some super niche weird fetish, but it's like a whole category of porn.
>>25610523Q: WAS WATCHING THE FULL HBO SERIES OF 'GAME OF THRONES' TEN YEARS OR SO AGO ENOUGH TO NEVER HAVE TO READ THE WHOLE BOOK SERIES?
Arya will be the one to snap Theon back to reality and play a huge role in redeeming him once she makes it back to Westeros. Their stories mirror one another a little with both characters losing their identity only to regain it in the end. Theon might be the one to help Arya realise that an endless cycle of revenge isn't worth it rather than Stoneheart.>>25616493It was a power move/dominance.
>>25616525What the hell kind of power move is that?! Like "I'm going to prank my little brother by fucking him on a boat. That'll show him." like, I guess it worked, but what the fuck was her problem?
>>25616534Molesting your younger sibling runs in Greyjoy dna
>>25611512Live a great life enlightened man
>>25616525Aryas a vengeful sociopath I don’t see her ever forgiving Theon for betraying Robb
>>25616504>jewish incestCan't say why.
>>25616554Y'know I guess you're actually right about that.
>>25616504What do you mean Partially right? If you're into incest you can just say it. It's not one of those things that can be *half* true.
>>25616586Greyjoy's are 100 times more Viking coded than Jewish. Like Euron is pretty much evil Odin.
>>25616597Show Euron need pirate rework.
>>25616608Show Euron isn't even Euron,. Biggest aura loss ever.
>george: do we really need more dark lords who are pure evil and lead armies of evil orcs? People are complex, everyone is capable of good and bad, the villain is just the hero of their side and vice versa. There is good and bad on both sides of every war. Anyway here’s Euron the giga-evil satanic pirate dark lord leading his pack of evil orc Vikings on his way to kill the gods and rape all of mankind. Ahhh the human heart in conflict with itself
>>25616631Bong Yara isn't tomboy Asha, i guess
>>25615647>tanned Viserys in any formHe got a sunburn because he is not heat resistant >female ViserysPresuming she wasn't forced into sex slavery she would end up with Jorah
>>25616119Bran the Builder mogs every Andal.
>ironborn were called “the wolves of the sea” in ancient times >grey king had grey eyes just like the starks >starks were a seafaring people before Brandon the burner >the name Theon is used in the north and the iron islands Starks are filthy Ir*nborn, not even true northerners
>>25616631Book Euron is shit too. A generic sword and sorcery b-movie villain.
>>25615893>but I much dislike how the books will inevitably center around everyone's demise so that Jon can become Azor Ahai.Why? I mean the huge demon monsters are coming to kill everyone and I like the hopeful ideal George is going for
>>25617554Show version is actually better because you’re not expected to take him seriously >>25617658>I like the generic chosen one who saves the world from evil The marvelication of this series is tragic
>>25617665The Others have been in the books since AGOT. Jon's gotta get everyone to work together or all the political fighting was meaningless. Hopium
>>25610523>went to archive stumble upon that real name of azor ahai in ASOIAF common tongue is Bladeheart>Brienne of Tarth>sounds like bladeheartmaybe House Tarth were descendant of azor ahai offspring
>>25617903sorry forgot link about that theoryhttps://warosu.org/lit/thread/25310112#p25312437
>>25617403>grey king had grey eyes just like the starksWell yeah they all had First Men phenotypes before the Andals came. The ancient Lannisters, Durrandons, Tullys etc. also looked like Starks back then.
We missed out on kino.
>>25616586The characters are British/Norse. The Jews of ASOIAF seem very minor and peacefulIf shit was more like real life Mirri Maz Dur should have a job as a coinchanger in Westeros >>25618611What is wrong with GRRM. It seems that rape/incest are his kink
>>25615647Viserys was not as popular as Malfoy or as major a character since he dies early on There are a few fics with the premise but there's little you can do with the concept aside from a BPD wife for Jorah Vissy shtick is being an effeminate failson heir
>>25617907Thanks for reposting this thread anon I was thinking about something from this very thread for a few days now>Yeah so I’m definitely thinking lightbringer was an arakh now.Right cool pic anon, however how do you explain Dawn? Dawn is clearly meant to be Lightbringer and is a western European straight sword not an arakh or curved blade>Mysterious magical blade that glows with a white light>At least as sharp as Valyrian steel swords but they're black and evil since the metal is made from blood sacrifices.What IS Dawn if not Lightbringer? Was Dawn a reforged blade of Lightbringer like how Ice was melted down? To hide it's identitiy by changing its shape? Is it just the first straight european sword ever made?
>>25614879She's fucked a total of two guys
>>25619158>what is dawn if not lightbringer?A sword made of starsilver, an artificial material made by a technologically advanced race of spacefarers for their starships>”walgraves own chain had links of steel and iron, soft lead and common silver, bronze dark and white, lead, brass, tin, copper, yellow gold and white gold and red gold, ... but none of Valyrian steel, nor the queer milky metal that the Citadel called starsilver. - AFFC rough draftGeorge is self referencing his book “windhaven” here. In that book, space explorers crash land on a primitive planet and the survivors scavenge the crashed spaceships for their special lightweight incredibly strong metal material, described as a bright pale silver-colored material just like dawn. The god on earth was said to come from the stars, and went around in a giant “palanquin” carved from a single pearl. This was actually a space ship made of star silver. His decendants who built the great empire used this material to make swords, as seen in danys vision of pale haired kings with pale swords and gemstone eyes. The ancient daynes tracked down a “fallen star” and made dawn from its metal. This fallen star was actually a crashed starship made of star silver alloy
>>25619220Hasn't George explicitly stated that ASOAIF isn't a secret sci-fi story but just fantasy. There's no out of space humans who started colonies or cities, its just fantasy.
>>25619248>Hasn't George explicitly stated that ASOAIF isn't a secret sci-fi storyNot explicitly
>>25619163>drogo>daario>hizdahrAnd moonboy for all I know.
>>25619248>>25619307>I will now tell the story of what GRRM said when asked about the Stark children and their ability as wargs. He was asked if the trait of being a warg ran in the Stark family.>"I don't know if I want to get into genetics - this is fantasy, not scifi" He replied.>I have people constantly writing me with science fiction theories about the seasons — "It's a double star system with a black dwarf and that would explain–" It's fantasy, man, it's magic.
>>25619339Although the military logistics are not the focus of LotR, the army sizes and the time it takes for them to move from one place to the other makes perfect sense.If only the fat man cared about consistency in his story as much as he cared about describing the dinner scenes he likely would've had a better explanation for the seasons.
>>25619322Plus her brother felt her up all the time
How do I get the mental energy to read after work again. I'm dieting , working out. I'm probably not getting enough sleep idk. I just am mentally exhausted and dont have it in me to read without it making me fall asleep
>Thoros and Lem were with Lord Beric when the dwarf woman sat down uninvited by the fire. She squinted at them with eyes like hot coals. "The Ember and the Lemon come to honor me again, and His Grace the Lord of Corpses."What the fuck did the Ghost of High Heart mean by this, Beric is the Ember, slang/ clue hes a fire wight, Lem is lemon. Why is she calling Thoros the Lord of Corpses? Is that a joke invoking an epithet of the Great Other to him since hes a fire priest?Wonder if George even remembers that name he has never used that title since
>>25619492Thoros is obviously the ember.
>>25619473sometimes reading to fall asleep is the answer, you don't need to be reading a whole book a nightif you take public transport to your job you can read on the train or something
>>25619498So Beric the undead fire wight is joked at being the Lord of Corpses as a walking magical corpse himself? Makes sense. Still Beric has the ember of life from a fire priest within him them but yeah it probably is Thoros
>>25619248>believing a man that has claimed he's writing Winds since 2011
>>25610523What is /grrm/'s opinion on the stageplay and the discourse it caused?I'm a very casual I&F "fan", never read the books, but I enjoy lore videos and podcasts. I for one really dislike that so many just treat the play as totally not completely canon bro, they're just going to use it to justify motivations etc anyway.
>>25619606In no world is rhaegar beating Robert in a duel, that part was straight bullshit. Everything else, fine
I'm Roose.
>>25619456Magic. Things are allowed to be magic in fantasy
>>25619473Try audiobooks. Mayhaps you need some calming relaxation, like meditation, biking or hiking. You might be going too hard on yourself, but that's up to you to decide.
>>25619643Nice butt
>>25619662This will not serve.
>>25617907Why would azor ahai be Dothraki, hes from Asshai
>>25619725Not dothraki azor ahai dude so great that his presence influence many culture and religions, you know like IRL Alexander the great mentioned by many cultures and even influence religions such as Judaism,Christianity and Islam
>>25619725>hes from AsshaiEh? Where are you getting that from? I've heard he's from Andalos and was Hugo Hill, that he was from the Great Empire of the Dawn as the Bloodstone Emperor, that the Bloodstone Emperor was Hugo Hill and an Andal, a Stark from the north, a wildling first man,
>>25610523my theory about human migrations into westeros>First migrationGreat empire of the dawn people settle in westeros, they're refugees because of civil war between amethyst and bloodstone i.e. dayne,hightower and other minor coastal houses>Second Human migrations WaveFirst men mass exodus to westeros because of GEOTD expansion In essos>firstmen vs children of the Forrest WarAfter many bloodbath theyre both getting tired then pact signed>Children of the Forrest and firstmen interminglingcreating great houses such as greenhand,stark(explaining their warg ability)>Bloodstone Emperor=azor ahai still not content with controlling essos decide to invade westeros>Brutal war genocide everyone that won't bend their knees>COTF last resort creating ice demon or the others to repel Bloodstone>Failed Miserably the others massacre everyone>Long Night begin>Global famine,Wights(zombie) outbreak everywhere>Bloodstone emperor=azor ahai sacrifice his wife to defeat the others >Not absolute Victory because the others just retreat to far further north>Azor Ahai children marrying into westerosi houses>Azor Ahai blood sacrifice himself to create the wall>With Azor Ahai=Bloodstone emperor dead, GOTD break apart into Asshai, Dothraki, YiTi, Ghis, Qarth etc their more prominent remnants were Valyrian who inherit dragon breeding traits>Years of peace in westeros until some Lord Commander of Night's Watch marry ice demon or the others woman>Second Long Night but quickly handle by Starks so this time not global only happened in westeros>Third human migrations waveWith westeros population dwindling because of 2nd long night, southron houses decide to immigrate people from andalos coast to westeros>House Hightower who married azor ahai=Bloodstone emperor daughter try to rebranding Barbarian conqueror to Benevolent king>Hightowers snycretic OG religion of bloodstone emperor cult of starry wisdom with andals culture creating faith of the seven>Azor Ahai became Hugor of the Hill in Faith of the Seven mythology>Azor Ahai descendant Houses who still hold grudge against COTF use Religious pretext to wage war against northerners&COTFwith abundant fighting age men from andals immigrants they've won and westeros divided into North and South>Fourth human migrations waveRhoynars migration because of valyrian War rhyming how firstmen ran away from GOTD.>RecentValyrian outpost with House Velaryon,House Celtigar, Targaryen
>>25615258The iconic Tully>I know what you arestare.
>>25619864>Azor Ahai becomes Hugor of the Hill>Tyrion is currently going under the alias of Hugor HillTyrion Azor Ahai confirmed?Also how come we've only seen ONE female Other in the entire series. I hope they are more Fae like how Martin describes them and not generic dumb zombies as in the TV show.
>>25619864Good stuff, only thing I’m not sold on is azor ahai sacrificing himself to make the wall. I like that anons theory that dany saw his life in the house of undying visions and he was sacrificed by cotf with obsidian to make the others like how the night king was made in the show, it fit really well
Fat man write book?
>>25620758"no"
>ao3 down for the next monthumm based?
>>25620889goddammit i was reading something too
>>25620812I cry
Azor ahais invasion of the north = Napoleon invading Russia The idea for Asoiaf came to George when he was working on a book called Avalon. George described it as a “sci fi war and peace”. War and peace by Tolstoy centers around the napoleonic wars and the invasion of Russia by Napoleon that led to his downfall. It is a critique of the “great man” theory of history, and involves prophecy and comets. Napoleon thought himself a great man on a prophetic mission whose destiny was to gain power over all Europe, a hubris that Tolstoy critiqued as pure ego and delusion. Some viewed Napoleon as a prophetic hero while other characters in the book view napoleon as the literal Antichrist prophecized in the Bible. The French elites and military strategists attempted to predict battle outcomes using esoteric portents, theories and calculations, only to have their prophecies shattered by the chaotic reality of war.The biggest prophetic sign in the book is the Comet of 1811, which appeared right before Napoleon's invasion of Russia. Napoleon took this as a sign of his inevitable victory over Russia while the Russian populace saw the comet an omen of a coming apocalypse. George recycled the ideas for his sci-fi war and peace and used them for the ancient history of his new fantasy verse. Azor Ahai eventually came to Westeros after conquering Essos, coming into conflict with the children of Forrest. Northern westeros was the last of the lands yet to be conquered by him. A red comet hung in the sky, azor saw it as an omen of his impending victory that would give him dominion over the whole world. And this cold frontier would be his downfall, much like napoleon and adolf Hitler were brought low in the frigid lands of Russia after attempting invasion. The cotf captured him and sacrificed him to create the others, leading to the long night
Honestly, did Amory Lorch ever do anything wrong? He seemed like an upstanding citizen to me.
There's a lot to discuss with your post anon, I utterly disagree that there was two long nights. There was a single long night which broke the arm of Dorne, I can't see such a catalsymic event happening more than once and one being tiny to be so localised just the ancient first men from the North and COTF handled it. No I think thinking there was several Long nights or a mini long nights can warp your view of world history. >>Hightowers snycretic OG religion of bloodstone emperor cult of starry wisdom with andals culture creating faith of the sevenHuh this is fascinating I hadn't thought about this, I thought Leyton Hightower just got into the Church of starry wisdom from travels to the east, but this implies that the Hightowers have always had a hidden faith to the one they publically exposed (since im sure they remember the ture teaching of the church and the faith of the seven being the watered down censored one)>>First migration, Great empire of the dawn people settle in westeros, they're refugees because of civil war between amethyst and bloodstone i.e. dayne,hightower and other minor coastal housesI don't think this first migration settled very much of westeros, you've got Old Town, the Iron Islands and maybe remote parts of Dorne like House Dayne. I've been working on my own theory since I've got the time finally (shrike theory 2.0 coming soon) and I just don't see the Blood Stone Emperor colonising all of Westeros and going all the way north and building the Wall, the only mass human migration wave where that happend was after the first men arrived but you've placed the bloodstone emperor as coming before then. Unless you think the bloodstone Emperor lived for hundreds and hundreds of years and then died in Westeros?
Realistically, what would Eddard Stark have done if notorious J.O.N. had been boon with purple eyes and silver hair? Pass him off as a Dayne?
>>25621674People already thought he and Ashara Dayne were a thing. It would be even easier to say it was his bastard with her then the current cover story of it being his with some unnamed unknown woman. I wouldn't be shocked if that was the game plan he had in his head for the first few days before Jons hair grew out and he opened his eyes and they were stack coloured and not violet.
>>25621674Eddard Stark has a sub 90 iq. He did not consider that possibility, and if you asked him, it would go something like this:>What would you have done if Jon was born with purple eyes?>But he has grey eyes.>Yes, but what if he had purple eyes?>...But he doesn't.>What was your plan if Jon didn't look like a Stark?>...Plan?>NevermindRealistically? Probably have Howland Reed raise him. It is the one place in the north someone can hide indefinitely, Howland was loyal directly to Ned, and it would not have brought another person into the conspiracy to hide Jon.
>>25621674If only there was a woman from a family known for having pale blonde hair and purple eyes that he was rumored to be seeing that he could credibly use as Jon's mother...
House Darry, a Summer Islander on a brown field.
>>25621685Nice reference.>Cersei, how would you feel if you hadn't had wine for breakfast?>But I did have wine for breakfast.
I had a dream that i was in a coma for five years, and when I woke up the first thing I did was Google the Winds of Winter, and it was STILL not finished.It was a literal nightmare. I’m pretty sure I also Googled George’s death in 2028, but I can’t be sure.
>>25619809>Eh? Where are you getting that from?They stopped paying attention to the books and shut themselves away in their own fantasy world which no longer has anything to do with the original.
>>25622951>stopped paying attention to the books and shut themselves away in their own fantasy world which no longer has anything to do with the originalKinda like George
>>25622133Why did they save that brat Viserys and Khalesi?
>>25623229They are buckbroken nuncle tom shabbos goy house nigga house
>>25619653But things still have to be compelling and they can only be compelling if they're at least somewhat cohesive.
The winged night in the vale was theorized by one maester to be a dragon rider, who warred with and vanquished rival dragon rider the griffin king. He was said to have had a child with a COTF. Another figure from ancient vale lore is Alyssa, whose name sounds Valyrian esque. According to legend, Alyssa saw her husband, her brothers, and her children killed in front of herA similar name pops up in ancient lore, princess daeryssa, who serwyn of the mirror shield saved from giants, the same serwyn who slayed the dragon urrax and was said to have been in service to house gardener. Garth greenhand = the son of the winged knight and his cotf bride, a half breed with human height and green cotf features Serwyn = warrior in service to winged knight bloodline/gardenerUrrax = dragon from the griffin kings faction that serwyn killed Daeryssa = daughter of the winged knight Alyssa = wife of the griffin king, who’s family was killed in the civil war
>>25622790Grim
My headcanon is that Varys had Klinefelter syndrome
>>25624437>"Aegon?" For a moment he did not understand. Then he remembered. A babe swaddled in a crimson cloak, the cloth stained with his blood and brains. "Dead. He's dead.">"No." The eunuch's voice seemed deeper. "He is here.">The eunuch paused a moment. "My lord, you once asked me how it was that I was cut.">"I recall," said Tyrion. "You did not want to talk of it.">"Nor do I, but . . ." This pause was longer than the one before, and when Varys spoke again his voice was different somehow.He is faking everything.
>>25624512Lying about being a eunuch is retarded though. Do I really need to say why?
>>25624546In a pre-modern world, it could have advantage of being allowed near girls
>>25624924Bretty good, but Sansa doesn't strike me as Wonder Woman type
>>25624924>>25624969I was going to say, all of these are perfect except Sansa. She should be Godiva or Ice but they're pretty obscure.
I finished AGOT last week and thought it was okay. According to Kindle, I've read 30% of ACOK, and so far I'm really disappointed. Tyrion's chapters are okay.I like Jon, but his chapters aren't very interesting.Everyone else is uhhhhh.Not sure I will finish it.
>>25625158Show is better desu
what a stupid fucking cunt whore
>>25624924If Sansa was a modern girl, would she be a queen bee and bully towards people like Dany or Hodor?
>>25625351No, she's the sweet and naive girl that's popular but some people find annoying. Dany and Marg would be the queen bees.
>>25625393Marg I can see; Dany is Carrie-lite without her dragons>Mentally ill>teen who grew up in poverty>Abusive brother dad who probably embarrasses her>Strange albinistic appearance
>>25625482Even without her dragons Dany is probably one of the most charming characters in the series. She knows like five languages, has no issue ingratiating herself with any group of people and her appearance is consistently described as being stunningly beautiful, not strange. She would absolutely be the most popular girl in school archetype.
>>25625500>Muh dwagons>The burning of king's landing>Casual racism towards Arab exchange students because their countries have slavesShe 100 percent has meltdowns and carries around dino plushies. Her physical attractiveness eases the burden of being teased by boys but attracts the jealousy of other females. Encouraged by her brother's stories of her mother's popularity, she 100 percent engages in schemes to become queen bee but is humiliated each time
>>25625500Dany would sign up for a gangbang by frat dudes and then have a meltdown when word got out and claim she was raped
>>25625526Sounds more like Cersei. Dany's the autistic foster baby who convinces herself the guy who raped her was only misunderstood as copeViserys is Nani if Nani was white, male and bipolar plus mentally disabled.
how will their romance go in the books if it ever comes out ?
>>25625722Jon will stab dany in the heart for being insane
>>25625722Drawn together as allies of convenience against Cersei/fAegon, will probably grate on each other at first, but then they will fall desperately in love. I don't get the people who say it'll be a minor thing, GRRM is a romantic when it comes to interpersonal relationships unlike his cynicism for politics, and he has foreshadowed Jon being Dany's true love rather forcefully by this point. The fact that it's incest means it's even more likely to happen. Of course, it will end tragically like all true loves in ASOIAF.
What's the equivalent of Sam killing an Other in a highschool au?
>>25625792The Watch is the incel club, say chess. Jon got kicked out of the jocks, and Sam is the fat loser nerd. Thorne was also kicked out of the jock clique when Bobby B. successfully challenged Rhaegar as sportsball captain. Thorne was a freshman lackey for Rhaegar but now is a sullen senior waiting to go to college. The Others are a rival school, as are the Dothraki, the Dornish, and the Free Cities. The Others' school is only competitive at chess, so to the chess club they seem really intimidating, but the jocks and the other cliques do not even think about them. Sam killing an Other is him mating his opponent after the Other blunders.
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>>25625833>>25625831>>25625820>>25625792What the fuck is this cringe fucking shit
Braavos would be my first place to live but I'd settle for Pyke as well. I'd also choose the 800 mile stretch between The Twins and the Dreadfort just living as vagabond outlaw because obviously I'd never get bored.
>>25625898>BraavosYou can't even walk around with a sword on your belt without being accosted for a duel.
>>25612421> often putting down older classic writers in the processDoes he really? The egoistic audacity of such a mediocre writer masterbation his own ego. Even more famous midwit authors like Stephen King don’t make themselves look like simpletons by putting down their betters.
>>25610523Nothing in ASOIAF makes any sense from a worldbuilding standpoint.It is entirely carried by the characters.It's a case study that even if you suck as a worldbuilder, you can sell your world with strong characters
>mocks Tolkien for not being realistic or complex>creates the most retarded pastiche of the middle ages in living memory>filled with historical myths, inaccuracies, and just outright fabrications>moral dilemmas/complexity boils down to "what if this retard had power and everyone was too retarded to do anything about them because le honor means letting bad things happen"
