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https://youtu.be/yebNIHKAC4A?t=65
>>110202128>that thing is already obsoleteOk? So is the 5070, 3090 performance for half the VRAM. You got a better idea if you're already on X470 with 96GB of DDR4? I would have preferred Raptor Lake but again, no motherboards.
>>110202166>Assy in Taiwan
>5080looking grim ausbros.
>>110202209Jesus christ, how greedy can AMD be?
look what i just found.
5080 24gb is fake news
>It's goin' up, up, up and now we're broken>You know no upgrades are open>Gonna be, gonna be broken>Oh-oh-oh, up, up, up with their prices>영원히 깨질 수 없는>Gonna be, gonna be broken
>>110202368frognigger got so messed up he started speaking chinese
>>110202354Back when CPUs had plenty of overclocking headroom.
>174W idle power draw
>>110202416>>110202446just built different
>>110202446that do happen when you run a static OC with fixed vcore and clocks
I had heard about mechanical keyboards but never got to try one.I saw they had some at Best Buy. It cost around $100 so I was a little apprehensive, but I took the plunge.Easily one of the best purchases I ever made. Typing on it is so much easier.
>>110202461i did that with a xeon x5650. static oc to 4.5ghz.
>>110202468heck, hall effect magnetic keyboards are the new hotness now for tryhard competitive gaming
>>110202490>get banned in the only game that really benefits from them
>>110202468the upper end gamesaar controllers have mechanical switches in them and its satisfying to press the buttons. the dpad is like the vita dpad in terms of clicky.
i'm not that up to date on new component prices other than knowing ram, ssd and gpu prices are insanedoes this also affect the prices for motherboards and CPUs?what about cases? I'm kinda looking for something with more airflow
should i wait for rgb stripe oled? or won't it matter if i scale text 125% already
>>110202533windowslop only issue. doesnt affect linux or mac or freebsd.>>110202532everything is going up as long as trump is president
>>110202545why only windows?
>>110202532Raw PCB prices have supposedly shot up 12x according to Tom's hardware and they are used everywhere from ram to motherboards to ssds and even power supply units
>>110202549windows font rendering is rgb and anything outside of it is broken.mac uses greyscale, linux and freebsd are open source and can use whatever.
>>110202446>>110202416god i miss it
>>110202533Depends, what resolution and size are you planning on? If 27” 1440p then yeah worth waiting but idk if panels are coming any time soon. If 27” 4k, not necessary as pixel density is already high enough. 32” 4k is also not necessary tbqh. It really only benefits 1440p monitors.
>>110202533wdym wait it's out now you mean wait for qd-oled v-stripe?I was going to wait but my monitor literally fucking died so now I'm just going to get the PG32UGWM
>>110202564well, intel messed up with 12th gen and didn't block bclk overclocking for non-K cpus on earlier microcodes which allowed certain boards with an eclk to overclock the 12400f from the stock 4ghz all-core to 5.2-5.3ghz
>>110202563get a bigger screen for fucks sake with modern resolutions
>>110202588or switch to a modern OS. windows is not a modern OS. NTFS is like 40 something years old.
anything below 225 ppi shouldn't be bought. might as well keep using 1440p
wtf my monitor just came back to life after being unplugged for 2 days ffs this is like the 4th time it's done this crap
>>110202597needs an firmware update lmao
>>110202569>>110202574my system can only handle 1440p so thinking about getting an oled monitor during bf but people say text will be bad and give headache but new tech of oled that comes next year should solve it but i don't know if the price will be worth
>>110202606text will look sharp if you place the monitor far away enough
>>110202606your graphics in general will look bad regardless of monitor because you are using windows. dwm.exe has high priority over every other application which causes ghosting in 3d games and text oscillation in 2d browsing.
>>110202595doesn't matter, running at below 1440p is like asking for eye cancer
>>110202638Reminder that DLSS Quality @ 1440p is 1707x960 or less than 1080p.
has anyone bought the new ktc miniled monitor? is it worth picking up?
>>110202656gayming out of nowhere, we're talking about text clarity3D games without any postprosessing filtering that are just raw pixels will look like visual vomit
>>110202606Prices might not be that bad at 1440p the 32" rgb stripe launched around 1100 which was a lot cheaper than I though they'd be. They'lll probably launch around $600-$800.
>>110202664miniled monitors are never worth it because there's not enough dimming zones, they get way worse panels, IPS trash and VA trash ones and the biggest issue is the local dimming algorithms and firmware are all fucking chinese shit that don't work and have zero support. Even the ones that claim they do the HDR1000+ peak brightness can only maintain them for like 1 minute at a time before they start throttling and limiting the brightness.
I could have bought a new chair, laptop, phone, or a lot of building materials but instead I buy this old piece of junk from 2021. Why am I doing this? Have I gone mad?
Every time I look at this thread it's people arguing about fucking monitors.Go look at a monitor you want to buy. Does it look good to you? Okay, fucking buy it. Monitors are absolutely the most verifiable part of your build in that you can just go and look at them and see the image for yourself.
>>110202759The only instance where I felt MiniLED was worth the premium was when I got a discounted 5K MiniLED from LG for the same price as an SDR 5K monitor.
Speaking of Mini LED monitors, the new RGB MiniLED HiSense televisions just shipped to my store and I'm actually surprised, from a distance I thought this was an OLED TV. The biggest difference between the noticeably brighter and more vivid colors? The viewing angles are way better. I'm actually surprised at how much better the viewing angles look for an LCD, not talking about the blooming. Coating also seems matte or half glossy here.
https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-nova-lake-s-28c-with-ddr5-8000-projected-to-deliver-16-to-33-higher-gaming-performance-than-core-ultra-9-285k-with-ddr5-6400INTEL WON
>>110202803only really works for TVs, those you can see on display in any electronics chain stores. Monitors are fucky like that
>>110202838F.9800x3d is 40% faster than the 285k
>>110202845its all speculation and also the thing still uses 300w. the 9800x3d is a 125w chip.
>>110202838>Haze2K1yall nigger believe any rando on twitter just like that?
>>110202839Just go to the same place you buy GPUs and shit?
>>110202909Even the Walmarts that sell GPUs only have TVs for display not monitors. You would have to purchase the monitor, see if you like it and return it back if you dont.
>>110202827I've seen the sony true RGB TVs and they look fantastic too
>>110202803we don't all live near microcenter
>>110202929>>110202954I'm not American. You guys don't have like PC gaming stores? Usually like one or two location kinda places?
>>110202968Not really everything is online. There's electronics stores but they only sell the good stuff online, the stores are full of normie crap and junk. The only things they care about in store are laptops and phones.
>>110202968The closest things to a "PC gaming store" here is a Best Buy & Gamestop. One sells the monitors the other doesn't.
>>110202968I'm fortunate enough to live next to a Brandsmart USA which is way better than Microcenter but not everyone does.
>>110203063>>110203034>>110202987Damn, that's wild. Y'all just buy this shit fucking blind?
>>110203103in EU you can return items ordered online within two weeks after purchase without reason
>>110202968apparently america is a corpo-dystopia in the truest sense of the term, while niche hobby stores are plentiful depending on population density, for some reason PC stores cannot function or survive there, despite their supposed 'huge success', Microcenter only has a handful of stores nationwide. They rely on uncaring megacorps to fulfill their pc needs, online-only purchases etc.The 5-10 random pc parts stores you find everywhere else in the west don't exist there, its baffling really.
>>110202930Spent summer vacation in Japan this year, checked out some of the new RGB miniLED TVs @ Yodobashi Camera.The TV attendant was excited to show off the Bravia 9 Mk II in a dedicated show room.It looked great, but the TV was running 4K Blu-Ray Avengers movies.The dimming algorithm worsens when you switch over to Game Mode, and sometimes triggers full-white miniLED fallback (happens more often in Chinese RGB miniLED TVs apparently).
>Be angloid>Walking home from uni>Stop by me local PC store (DTec Computers (top blokes))>Av a bit of a chat about the absolute state of things>Get a cheeky look at some display model stuff. >Go homeIt's nice.
>>110203103What stores in EU have high end pc monitors on display? The only thing i have seen is cheap office panels in store.
The difference in color volume is quite noticeable.
>>110203195In the UK you can go to SCAN or Overcuckers and they've got a big store and showroom you can walk around. SCAN has a bunch of sim set ups you can try.
>>110202799It's not like you're going to buy a faster am4 processor 3 years from now.chairs will still be here in a decade, laptops will still be here two years from now, phones will exist for the distant future, building materials aren't going anywhere. The am4 is sunsetting but people will still buy a system with a 5800x3d in the future.Two years from now bundle it in a pre-built with a 5060ti and sell it on marketplace.
>>110202354I have 2 cpus from that era here at home, one is an i5 and the other is an i7-920, I don't bother to make systems for them because the idle power consumption is so grotesque I would never boot them up
10090xt doko
>>110203238Maybe I should have waited for RGB Mini LED on monitors and TVs, except the cost is prohibitive right now. >>110203195Here at media expert they keep all the shittest LCD monitors people can actually afford on display shelves and so they don't also undercut the TVs on display because TVs are where the money is at in sponsorship deals they have with brands.
>>110202446>System power consumption L2r n00b
https://www.amd.com/en/resources/support-articles/release-notes/RN-RAD-WIN-26-10-2.html
>>110203577I just checked the prices of DDR5 16GB and it's 1000 PLN, last seen in 2007 and 2017. Maybe my greed to match or exceeded my 32, and then 96GB of system capacity got the better of me when I could have afforded a low capacity kit and it might've been enough for workstation tasks, not like 12GB is a large amount of VRAM when you skipped out on 24. And for what, bigger number better glory chasing? Fact is, I didn't to spend another 1000-2000 on a board and memory. Total cost would have been double of a X3D at least for a basic system on AM5, as opposed to keeping my memory with okay performance.
Bros we're going to make it
i wanna buy a super expensive pc and get starlink internet should i??
>>110203945Just get a thinkpad
>>110203178>The TV attendant was excited to show off the Bravia 9 Mk II in a dedicated show room.Wholesome, I have no such enthusiasts in my remote corner of the world amidst salesmen.>MFW using sRGB photos to show off RGB MiniLED color volumeWew lad!>the local dimming algorithm The TCL TVs looked a bit washed out with theirs but this Hisense one seems to have better contrast and color volume unless that's just the heavy lifting being done by the LEDs and not the algorithm.
>Our documents suggest that the standard Nova Lake-S 28C processor, configured with a 285W PL1, could deliver up to 16% higher gaming performance than the Core Ultra 9 285K at 250W. The 28C DS configuration, operating at 296W, is projected to deliver up to 33% higher gaming performance. 250-300w CPU’s just to beat the 285k (slower than 14900k, much slower than 9800x3d).https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-nova-lake-s-28c-with-ddr5-8000-projected-to-deliver-16-to-33-higher-gaming-performance-than-core-ultra-9-285k-with-ddr5-6400
>>110204152>What’s important here to mention is memory configuration. As we already mentioned last year, Nova Lake will support 8000 MT/s speed out of the box. Intel’s Arrow Lake reference system uses DDR5-6400 XMP memory, while Nova Lake is configured with DDR5-8000 XMP. KEK good luck getting that high speed memory
>>110204152>296w just for cpu
>>110204194PSUs are like the cheapest component anyway.
>>110204152That CPU won't need the maximum power load for gayming.
is the 7800x3d worth it in *current year*?I can cruise on my 12700K DDR4 system for a little longer and would rather not pay a thousand eurobucks for a 47/64GB DDR5 kit.
>>110204222>Nova Lake S 28C PL1=285W is expected to deliver up to 1.16x the Gaming performance of Intel Core Ultra 285K PL1=250W as projected by Gaming Index>Nova Lake S 28C DS PL1=296W is expected to deliver up to 1.33x the Gaming performance of Intel Core Ultra 285K PL1=250W as projected by Gaming Index.>Internal Intel documents in August 2026idk
>>110204244Buy a 7500f for $100 used and upgrade to zen6 x3d in jan/feb, buy ram now.
>>110204244stay in ddr4 and upgrade to raptor lake next in 2027
>>110204152Zen6 is going to stomp this
>5090 is gone>5080 is gone now too>AMD dipping out of handheld pc market>Next gen cards pushed back indefinitelySo is this really the end of pc building/pc gaming? Should I just go ahead and move to a ps5 or something since it's already confirmed AMD is only going to mass produce chips on contract rather than take a chance on niche consumer gaming electronics?
>>110204285>stay in ddr4 and upgrade to raptor lake next in 2027Not worth it, the performance increase is pretty small.>>110204271>upgrade to zen6 x3d in jan/feb, buy ram now.Gimme a quick rundown on ZEN6. My last AMD CPU was a 3700X and it ran well for almost 4 years.
>>110204258There's 0 games with the level of software optimization that will know how to use all those 28 P + E cores to their full potential.And most games won't even need that level of performance.
>>110204389Consumer roadmap for next gen looks something like this:>Zen 6/Nova Lake Q1/2 2027>RDNA 5 Mid Range (Chip used in PS6/Xbox Helix) Q3/4 2027>RTX 60 Series Q1 2028 with 6090>RDNA 5 Flagship Q1 2028>Intel Druid Q1 2028JEDEC will finalise DDR6 spec by 2028/9 so Zen7 in 2029
>>110204258For context.
>>110204244Check out some Micro Center or Newegg X3D bundles if you're in the US. The Zen 6 X3D chips won't be out for a while.
>>110203115But you have to pay for the return shipping.
>>110204428zen 7 will be ddr5
https://youtu.be/_NkL7R3-ebA>I finally upgraded my monitor>2.5 yearslol they treat monitors like GPUs now it's ridiculous
if you take less than 6 or 7 years to upgrade ur stuff you're senseless spoiled baby, ideally you should upgrade every 8 years (4 generations) only, that's how a reasonable man does things
are the prices ever going to come down or is this the new normal and I should just suck it up and spend nearly 2 grands for an entry level pc
>>110205013It’s the new normal, and will continue to get worse for a few more years (2030 or longer).PC motherboard manufacturers can’t source enough PCBs because of data center demand.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=MFDiuBomSuY
>>110205013If you need to build a PC do it asappricing is only getting even worse next year
>>110205013Do you want to wait years to save couple hundred on the total build cost
>>110202367It has existed since day one as the flagship laptop GPU
>>110204889He probably got that ASUS monitor as a promotional gift.>>110204908You should've checked for deep discounts on easily upgradeable parts like storage, memory, and board compatible CPUs 2~3 times a year (post-holiday sales leftovers, summer sales, & holiday season discounts).Reselling the old parts would've made up a decent chunk of the upgrading cost in the past few years (2023~ mid 2025).
>>110202166So now that the AI bubble has bursted in judeo-china, will GPUs go down in price?
>>110204798depends on the seller. At least in germoney unless you buy from the smallest shop in existence they cover the return.
>>110205201I upgraded in 2025, next upgrade will be in 2032 when I'll buy zen 8 after zen 9 already launched because zen 8 will be at it's lowest price by then
>>110205216You know usa spends literally trillions on buying gpus
>>110204889Upgrading from a 1080p tn to a even a 1440p oled is going to be a bigger upgrade than a 2070 to 5070 tbf
im not buying anything until my m3 macbook pro dies. whether that's 2033 or later. i'm not buying things anymore.
>>110205292"Whoever wins AI, Wins!" - Donald Trump POTUS
>>1102022215070 is better, better display controller and frame gen and shit like that, not even kidding>Raptor Lake but again, no motherboardsno mobos? well youre cooked>>110202468a good feeling keyboard is way satisfying compared to some shitbut yeah as xir said, hall effect switches have replaced mech unless you are a pure typist>>110202533I would get 32" 4k so you can avoid scaling windows ui and can actually use all the resI feel if you go 27" it will be way more annoyingbuy pg32ucwm now or wait for pg32ucdn 4k 360hz qdoledor buy the first one and sell next year>>110202569>32” 4k is also not necessary tbqhyou can clearly see qdoled fringing still so necessary>>11020259655" 4k 1m viewing distance is 60ppd aroundishliterally all you need>>110202664DON'T>>110202799stutter dip tech in 2026.... yep you ahave gone insane>>110202827still has bad viewinmg angles lol and more new problemsplus they are ultra slow even slower than the old miniled so total dogshit for gaymenonly good for bright room viewing cinematic 24fps cinema slop for boomersyou have to be RETARDED to buy over the King of TVS aka the S99H or even a G6because I know people here game don't watch hollwoodcraprefer to pic related again
>>110203238still outdone by qdoled>>110203897>Maybe I should have waited for RGB Mini LED on monitors and TVs, except the cost is prohibitive right now.why they suck>>110204389ps5 is doa since everything is ported and getting native ports and price increases are absymaleveryone on a ps5 already moved over to pcps5 is too low quality to render on a 4k 77" oledit's only a limited time gta6 30fps slop machinethen it's overyou have to be retarded to buy now>>110204889"matte or glossy doesn't matter to me"he's a literal techlet>>110203178>Bravia 9 Mk II
>>110202827>The viewing angles are way better.
a flagship oled tv is a better PQ even having a 77" oled to begin with than buying a 5090Always remember max out your Display (which should be a TV) first
>>110205547>better PQ+upgrade
>>110204389console prices are fucked too anon. Unlike Switch which a literal potato, some chips on PS5 (like Vram) are used in datacenters too
>>110205600Yeah but 5 years from now I'll still at least be able to buy a consoleIf our pcs die we're fucked. Everything is lost.
>>110205613buy a top tier platinum PSU + high end motherboard + undervolted cpu + undervolted and power limited gpu + high end cpu cooler + high airflow case
>>110205613clean your PC every year using a low power vacuuum cleaner. Limit your FPS when playing gaymes. You dont need more than 60fpsim abusing my 1080 since 2016, and the gpu still work until i retire it last year
>>110205683saar
>>110205689You get the idea. Greethings from Vietnam
>>110204152translation: they didn't fix the memory latency issues and all CPUs you buy from now on will be 80ns chiplet server rejects
Zen 6 12 Core X3D + RDNA 5 AT0 will be my forever setup and then my real life will start
>>110205613>If our pcs die?I've got 30 year old PC's working fine.You can play 99.9% of all games with a dumpster dive PC without spending a penny.
>>110205895>all CPUs you buy from now on will be 80ns chiplet server rejectsYou can still buy the final real CPU
>>110205912i'm on a 14700K (circumcised 14900K)but it would be great if you could get some raptor lake cores that weren't fabbed on a 10 year old node
>mfw mobo is not compatible with the case because it's ancient>mfw i can't even try to fit it in anyway because i/o and gpu slot are reversed
>>110205968>but it would be great if you could get some raptor lake cores that weren't fabbed on a 10 year old nodeUnfortunately even raptor lake next is still on Intel 7, idk why they didnt at least use Intel 3.
>>110203937Modern computing is way overpowered. The stuff coming out today (even the 5800x3d) will still have people buying it 5 years from now. you'll be able to pawn these computers of for a long while just not at an insane price that you see them today. A computer from 1996 was completely worthless in 2006 in comparison to a computer from 2016 today. The future will only have computer hardware remain relavent for longer periods of time. People don't think twice about running their old hardware now and people barely notice it.
more like intlel ultra 285w ayy lmao
>>110205912zen6 is going to be faster and have 200mb l3 cache
>>110206044>Modern computing is way overpowered.Indeed. People are running single player WoW servers with thousands of bots offline on their X3D CPU locally. 20 years ago you needed a datacenter blade for this.
>>110206105>shitlet cpu
Waiting for Black Friday Monitor sales
>>110205980By the way, what kind of mobo shape is 531991-001? So i can find a bigger case that's still compatible.
>>110206369some retailers are already putting them up
1440p 360hz oled or 4k 240z oled? Realistically im not hitting either refresh rates in most games without frame gen.
>>110206461def wait until 360hz 4k qd oleds next year
>>110206567>360hz 4kis there even a cable that can do this without the display stream compression jew
>>110206586all existing 4k monitors ship with dsc as standard
>>110206461If you are fine with buying another in a year due to burn-in, then either is fine.Otherwise go for miniled ips, I have one that can do 1080p 320Hz or 4k 160Hz, best image quality I've seen since my plasma tv.
>>110206607>mini led not comparable to oledt.samsung qn90c owner
>>110206600but you can get one with displayport 2.1 to run it at 240hz without dsc
>>110206673just because theres a port doesnt mean they use the full bandiwidth
So what I have now is 13400F / DDR5 in a SSF, formd t1 v2.5I would like to upgrade the CPU without turning my PC into a fire hazard, given that I already have 4070ti super in there. Like, I would really like for it to run COLD, maybe even colder than 13400F, without AIO.iirc I have a thermalright axp90-x47 full copper as a CPU cooler now, it handles the task fairly wellShould I go with intel or amd?
>>110206690most of the 240hz oleds use the full 80gbps 2.1a uhbr20 port
I think people over estimate most peoples gaming needs. An affordable r5 3600/7600 build I sold will serve their needs well.
>>110206695>axp90-x47going to struggle with anything stronger than a 7800x3d and even that you will have to use eco mode if you want it to run cold. Stick to 65w cpus but if you can get a bigger cooler like the noctua l12-77 you can get away with a 9800x3d
>>1102066959800x3d and you underclock/undervolt it until it's as cold as you want, it's that simple
>>110206701there might be some technical advantage to enabling dsc anyhow, better signal integrity or some such. Theres big problems trying to get longer cables working with higher data rates.
>>110206720I don't think I can fit more than 66MM and even then its very tightso its probably a 7700X3D then?
>>110206758>66mmis55 or axp90-53 full copper are options but if you dont want to change cooler yeah 7800x3d/7700x3d is probably the limit for comfort.
it's getting weird too many vids now just seem to be people desperately justifying their purchases or shamelessly shilling gifts from companies
>>110206828nah pc gaymers have finally woken up to the fact that the display is indeed the most important part of your setup
>>110202564Why? Modern chips are basically already overclocked by default. No point in wanting to OC a 3.4 gig chip to 4+ when they come at 5.4 by default.
>>110206828Imagine getting a 360hz OLED or whatever and you play with a shitty 250hz Xbox controller
the 9800x3d is 100% an upgrade on the 7800x3d or the 7700x3d because:4nm instead of 5nmyou CAN underclock it and undervolt, the 7xxxx3d is supposedly lockedso you can run it at 4.5ghz like the 7700x3d and it'll consume less voltage and be less hot, it's that simple
>>110207079X CPUs from AMD are unlocked it's the non X that are locked.
>>110207179old x3ds are locked, you can only change the multiplier in the 9800x3d to run it at the clock you want
>>110207402Social media was a mistake
I just installed an Arctic Liquid Freezer III 360 AIO.The install was easy but afterward i could feel that one of the inner hoses got kinked at some point. Its not kinked anymore but the hose feels like it may have been damaged. I dont recall doing this. I cant see any fluid leaking. This is not my first time installing an AIO. I’ve installed a dozen Asetek AIOs. Ive just never installed an Arctic. Any advice? Should I just email Arctic? Can the materials of the hose handle getting kinked up?
>>110206461240/480 dual mode if you wanna try hard in fpswhich next year will be 360/520/720 tri modeor just plain 4k 240 because 1440p looks like ass if u wanna use ur pc outside of gaymes and oled already fucks up the pixel unless stripe so its even worsesub 4k is for sweaty fps players no one else
>>110207259>old x3d are lockedNot on newer agesas
>>110207402Goyim don't deserve ram
>>110207557>360/520/720 tri mode
>>110207557>which next year will be 360/520/720 tri modedoes the 1440p mode make any sense on 4kOr does it just not matter because they dont scale the pixels correctly and 1080p doesnt divide equally either
Does it make sense to go for a 12600K on a B660 board?Friend of mine wants to sell his 12400F. what are the reasonable alternatives? He wants to keep both the RAM and motherboard (MSI B660 + 32gb 3000mhz RAM)
>>11020780214600k on ddr4 matches 5800x3d
Is the a massive difference in quality between 4K 165 Hz panels and 4K 240 Hz panels?
>>110207961both oled? no
>>110207961def go for 240hz you have frame gen these days
>>110207802raptor lake next in 2027
>>110207079>4nm instead of 5nmThe new location of the 3d cache has a much greater effect on temperature.
I'll be honest12600k and its iGPU with ddr4is enough for most things I use my PC forI only need a good GPU for a few things, and even then just a 3080 is adequate for nearly everything My PC is better than this, but it didn't need to be, I'm just a consoomer, but I did get good deals on all my parts
>>110208321i literally dont need more than a n100 mini pc but im just a goyim who keeps falling for memes
Serious question;Should I sell off my RTX 3090 I got back in 2021 and get a AMD 7090 XT??It seems they preform similar in pure rasterization and I don't use DLSS or anything like that.I'm also going to be moving from windows to Linux (CachyOS) in the coming weeks and it seems AMD graphics cards play nicer with linux.I don't yet know all the angles, this has only been an idea of mine for a day so any help is appreciated.
>>110208476well yeah if you're going linux
>>110208476In Terms of Linux support its not that bad these days but AyyyMD Cards are still basically the best supported devices on linux. But it can be a little janky sometimes too. IF you want to stick around with linux and the sidegrade is not much of a burden for you, i'd say go for it.
>>110208476>Should I sell off my RTX 3090 I got back in 2021 and get a AMD 7090 XT??lol imagine doing this in 2020+7
>get a job so I can upgrade my 7800xt to a 5080>5080 is $2500 nowguess I' upgrading to a 9070xt
>>110208540explain please?
>>110208476My AI workstation has two 3090 and runs on CachyOS completely fine.
>>110208625okay well I don't use AI or have 2 3090s
Black parts in white cases look ok but white parts in black cases looks like shit. Discuss
>>110208544>7800xt to 9070xtbarely an upgrade tbf
>>110208544keep working saver for that 5080 24gb5080 16GB is going up because they aren't restocking it because 24GB is coming Q1 2027get that seasonal work in
>>110208544>paying $1000 for 10% perflol you should absolutely go nvidia bro, you are their perfect goy
that HS 360 is sex I need
>>110208638motherboard looks like a cheap b760 ddr4
>>110208672So is a 24gb 5060ti super coming or what?
>>110205991>idk why they didnt at least use Intel 3.who's gonna pay for the $300 million+ development and testing costs to port raptorlake's RTL code to Intel 3 HDL code and also pay for the mask production costs? Consumers sure as hell aren't buying enough raptorlake chips in this economy for that
>Build new comp>Put old HDD inside it>Open it up once everything is up and running>Bunch of my folders are missing>Hidden files reveal nothing Six years of collecting random shit off of 4chan. Six years of stuff I will most likely never find again...gone!
>>110209036hdds are meant to be external now
>>110209117That doesnt mean much to me right now.
>>110209036you know what they sayno backups is your fault and you should feel bad about it
>>110209036try a firmware update or whatever, or replug it or try another computer
Hey, I got some money and changed my whole rigIs 32/9 a meme ? I'm still using 2 1080 monitor
>>110209295The average user experience is prob best with 4k 32" qd oled + 27" lcd I cant imagine single monitor users like having taskbar up 24/7 with oled burn in
>>110208638You'll see this trend with cars, white car with all black wheels or even door handles, badges, etc
>>110205467>plasma tv schizo is also an amdip schizo WEW LADDIE
>>110205912>You can still buy the final real CPUMeanwhile in realityhttps://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/1d4bkdl/i714700k_performance_decreased_after_using/
>>110206044People spending $400 on these old chips feel insane to me when people are hung up over whether something like a ROG ally is too much, or what kitchen stove to buy.
>>110202664I bought a discounted 5k LG mini led instead because it was the same price as the SDR 5K monitors.
>>110209481>reddit.com>reality
Thoughts on a 9th gen system with a 3060 for ~<$400?
>>110209036>4chan content after 2016nothing of value was lost
>bought a 7500F, 5060ti 16, 32gb ddr5 last year>thinking it will just be a cheap setup until I upgrade to X3D and a SUPER card in 2026>now I'm stuck with this probably indefinitely thanks to the AI nonsenselol fuck me. tell me I'll be fine bros.
>>110210023I have a worse system, you'll be fine
>>110202166>045.ADOLF
Guys I'm really not sure if I should wait for the sales coming up or fomo now before the prices rise any higher.
>>110210214You should just wait. I have an RTX 3090ti and im waiting too. What do you have right now?
>>110210247GTX1080.
>>110210254Ouch nigga i think you waited too long
I bought a curved screen (AOC, 27") a few years ago, but I've noticed that it has slowly straightened out. It's hasn't fully straightened out yet, but maybe in 2 years or so?Anyone know if there is a fix to this?
>>110210214Even the 9070xt is gonna get pricier soonThe earlier you buy the more you'll save
Am I good for the next 10 years with this system?
What is even worth playing?What games arent a woke walking simulation? Doom: Dark Ages? Plays fine on an RTX 3080 in 4K. Nearly every good game is DX11. New GPUs have shit DX11 compatibility.
>>110210445Yes
how much would you say this computer is worth? (could be sold for)309013900k4tb ssd2tb ssd64gb ddr4 ram420mm AIOfractal 7 xl case
>>1102105583090 goes for a $1000 these days64GB of DDR4 is like $5004TB SSD is absurdly expensive for what it is, way over $500, 2TB no so muchThe rest is priced the same as usual afaik.
>>110210558Used 13th gen i9s are not worth a lot Maybe $2k would be a fair deal and $2.3k would be stretching it
>>110210558I will give you $6000 right now. Plz DM me your paypal
>>110210637Am I missing something? There must be a hidden message on his screenshot, where his build also includes blowjobs or something.
>>110210730he drop the /s I put no such thing on therealso whats up with these new captchas?
>>110210730Are you rich? no!I am and i know a good investment when i see it
Spend $680-$700 to buy a 14700K + used Z690 or Z790 DDR4 motherboard or just get a 5800X3D for $400 and stick with X470? Daisy chaining DDR4 3200 memory.
>>110204389I don't understand how there can be so many chinkheld handhelds with this lack of gpu/ram
https://www.techpowerup.com/354145/intel-raptor-lake-next-16-core-and-20-core-cpus-surfaceBro, do not buy 5800X3D, wait for raptor lake next. If you already bought one return that shit at once.
>>110210976https://youtu.be/U8xBkDBVjPM?si=L3quAP1QGqE3YhIFMLID says there's no point in buying either 5800x3d or raptor lake when zen 6 and nova lake is coming soon even with current pricing
>>110207961There's no difference in visual quality if you confirm the OLED monitors are using the same generation panel and offer same maximum full screen brightness.Check maximum full screen brightness specs, not just the DisplayHDR True Black rating.Some cheaper True Black 400 certified OLEDs are limited to 200-nits full screen brightness vs. 250-nits for the better bins.
>>110209599It's probably got the 8GB or 6GB 3060 variant.>>110210214>if I should wait for the sales coming upWhat makes you think retailers can afford to offer discounts on anything with memory chips or NAND flash?Dumb people waited™ for muh Black Friday sales instead of buying PC components earlier this year.>>110210868You won't get $300 worth of extra performance with the 14700K.Your memory modules are too modestly specced to get the most out of that CPU.You're realistically looking at 3600MT/s manual OC + tighter timings as the ceiling. Add multiple days of stability testing if you do this.You also need to know the safer CPU voltages when stability testing memory OC.
are 12v2x6 adapters that bad that I should just avoid them?
>>110210558>BIOS Date: 01/09/2023, Version: 1.A0>MCU: 10FAt least most people won't know you own a potentially degraded 13900K.https://community.intel.com/t/intel-core-13th-and-14th-gen-vmin-shift-instabilty-update-new-microcode-update-0x12f/132113/1>3090 Founders EditionOne of the least desirable 3090 due to memory cooling issues & being tedious to disassemble (components needs repadding & repasting).
>>110211400The only 12V-2x6 adapter you should buy is the Thermal Grizzly Wireview Pro II or a load balancing adapter like Ampinel.Cables are fine if they're high quality.
>>110211400They're not good above 300wAbove 300w, you're either safe or unsafe depending on random lottery chance unless you have a device to measure the amperage per wire across each of the six 12v wires
>>110211498This.Everyone with a card that draws 300W or more, needs to buy the Wireview or Ampinel and call it a day on the connector issue.If you don't have one of these stopgap cope solutions, no matter how good your cables are, you will keep on worrying about your card burning up.
>>110211200>You won't get $300 worth of extra performance with the 14700K.Molar coarse, more L1/L2 cache, more single threaded performance, and an iGPU though. Outside of gaming that should be a generational leap on top of being monolithic, while in theory you can power limit it so that it runs fine even on a B760 board so it brings the cost to at least an extra 150-200 dollars.
>>110211400if you dont like additional points of failure the only alternative you have are either Asus Astral cards or MSI PSUs with GPU safeguard or safeguard+. Seasonic has been working on something similar but no release date.
my fuckass pc can barely handle (modded) minecraft without freezingis $1,600 (and a trip to the russian ghetto of Bat Yam) a decent deal for this thing?
>>110211200>It's probably got the 8GB or 6GB 3060 variantWorth it if it's the 12GB variant?
>>11021175430% of the cost of the build is the ram alone and for all we know it's CL48
3D v cache is a mirage and a meme compared to better single threaded performance, change my mind I have a gut instinct that tells me AMD Nexus, AMD Unboxed, AMD's Law is Dead are lying and Raptor Lake trounces 5800X3D on modest DDR4 every single time, and even in games where it ties it has significantly better latency and .1% lows.
>>110211901The main bottleneck is often not core speed but memory speed even on GPUs this is true. The 5070ti comes with nerfed memory clocks by default so it doesn't match the 5080.
>>110211914According to PassMark scores the 14600/14700 have like 25-30% better single threaded score on top of more l1/L2, even if you do something like daisy chain memory surely at some point the l3 cache on the Ryzen will be overwhelmed and the CPU gets exposed hard in actual CPU heavy work?
>>110211924Actual CPU heavy work is subjective. Open Hwinfo 64 summary tab and look at all the extensions your CPU support. Each extension is a different workload and is either memory bound or core bound. A lot of the day to day stuff we do ends up being memory bound. Windows loves to use virtual memory a lot even if you have a ton of physical ram so by having less L3 cache you are spamming more page faults which stalls the whole system.
>>110211462I already know about this, the reason I haven't upgraded the bios is because I'm lazy.Also the 13900k I'm currently using is RMA intel sent for the other 13900k that broke because of the bug. I hate this cpu is so power inefficent
>>110211896how do you tell what RAM anyone is selling in a prebuilt? it's hard enough to get frequencies, let alone CLs.
>>110211901I see it differently, 3d vcache is amazing tech and it's the extremely dated zen3 cores in the 5800x3d that's holding it back. 3d vcache is somehow effective enough in boosting crappy old zen3 to be able to match or beat golden cove in most games.
>>110211995You'll almost never find low cas latency ram in prebuilts because it's a quick and easy way to cut costs and nearly no prebuilt buyer is aware low latency ram is a thingIf it's a prebuilt advertising 6000mhz ram, assume it has cl48 or at best, cl36 ram. cl30 and below are enthusiast tier ram that only exists in diy or boutique builds
>>110211971No one asked for your excuses.If you were diligent enough to get a replacement CPU, you should've run it on the safer microcode.GJ tanking the resale value of that CPU.
>>110211659If he actually needed all that multicore performance, he wouldn't be hesitating to buy it.
what's the cheapest way to fit a 9.5mm drive into a 5.25 drive bay slot?
>>110211995Look up what the cheapest RAM of whatever type is in the prebuilt that's available is, that's probably what you're getting.
Heads up to my fellow slop consumers, Amazon has the Glorious GMMK 3 Pro HE 75% for $75. That's $325 off.
>>110202166how long do GPU last anyway? I usually upgrade every 3-4 years, but no way I'm gonna pay 1k usd for a fucking 5070, you motherfucking kikesshould I do any preventive maintenance on my gigabyte 3070 or just keeping temps down is enough? I strive to keep mem temps under 65C on load, hotspot has a delta of like 15C. Haven't repasted it yet
>>110212370the 1080 ti of my old computer still works and it's 9 years old. If temps get too high you need to repaste it but that doesn't seem to be necessary in your case.
>>110212363Bruh, there's no way that shit is worth 400 USD. Even the Wooting keyboard all these are copying only costs like 200 USD.
>>110212370Keep it undervolted (800-900mV sweetspot).You could also apply new thermal paste & thermal pads if the temperature readings show they're needed (use HWInfo to check).
>>110212407No idea but to me I think they're worth $75. It must be a pricing error anyways since the white one is also on sale for $300.
>>110212370I have a 10 years old gtx 1070 evga superclock running on my mom's pc, I have done it's maintenance and used ptm7950
>>110212448I got a custom curve that tops at 900mv :DDDnow I can feel temps have been creeping up lately, I mean 65C is with ambient temp of 22C approx, shit gets hot here, like 35-40C in summer. I guess I'll have to fps cap
>>110212370IDK how old my 1070ti is but it's able to play WOW Forever on Ultra just fine while my Mac Mini M4 Pro struggle to play it on medium.
>>110212042>extremely dated zen3 cores in the 5800x3d that's holding it backWhich is why I theorize spending $555 to platform swap with a cheap b760 board might be better than paying $400 for a sub-$180 CPU in everything that isn't games friendly to MOAR CACHE if you already have more than 64GB of DDR4 and wanna do workstation stuff too. Shit compared to 7800x3d probably yes, but still cheaper than going AM5. Question is whether the margin is big enough, whether you intend to skip a socket, whether you need all the ram. 7800x3d + 16gb of ddr5 is already the same cost of a 14700k + b760, while a 14600k + b760 is the same as a 5800x3d in price.
>>110212831get a 14900ks
>>110212087Intel offers better single threaded performance too though by a considerable amount, at least on paper.
>>110212983Usecase when it costs as much as a 14700k + Mobo bundle and requires even more money to get a better board?
does this look fine? it is my first buildi'm concernet about the air flow. botton intake with both fans on top being outtake fans seems kinda weird. because half of the pc gets hotter than the other.should I have one of the fans on top be an intake fan (the one that's above the psu obviously)
>>110213170
>>1102094295800x3d is older and slower than new cpu retard, what don't you understand?
>>110213170>>110213181Certainly a choice to go mini for your first build it's a big pain in the ass. Looks good though, you want the case fans to be exhaust. The gpu and cpu are exhausting air inside the case and need to exit out immediately.
6 months ago MLID said Raptor Lake CPUs are still degrading, is this trustworthy or is he bullshitting FUD? He said, they said, some guy, etc.
>>110213258>bitches about 5800x3d being old stutter dip tech >shills 2 year old 9800x3d that blows up>???brown or ESL?
>>110213298This was fixed in a BIOS update ages ago. Intel's official solution to degradation is to lower the boost clocks.
>>110202354WE MVST RETVURN
>>110213298As of 3 weeks ago, it appears to still be an issue> https://www.guru3d.com/story/raptor-lake-owners-report-continued-cpu-replacements/
>>110211901a memory tuned 12600k matches a 5800x3d in wowraptor lake came out months later than 5800x3d and is still competing against 9800x3d not a 5800x3d>>110213298remember when the fear mongering was about turning off ht due to the exploits? and the patches? do you even remember that? or know about it?pointless shit>>110213307>Intel shill!>Be neutral>AMD shill!Retard or mentally challanged?
>>110213319>Intel's official solution to degradation is to lower the boost clocks.False. Board manufacturers lazily applied the maximum 1.10 Ohms CPU AC/DC loadline in their newer BIOS, which causes the CPU to reach the 253W PL2 limit faster than necessary.Buildzoid released multiple videos in 2024 on how to claw back performance & efficiency on three separate boards (MSI, ASUS, & Gigabyte).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmU3COA-32Ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI2x2_skwSsIf you don't know how to fine-tune CPU settings for your unlocked -K CPU using an overclock-enabled Z- motherboard, you're out of your depth.This is the easiest time in the hobby to learn how to optimize your PC.
>>110213319It's not about the bios updates it's about whether the lastest 14700K or 14600K you can buy right now still has the via oxidation issue. If there are more sources besides Mlid going trust me bro I want to know.
>>110213365>a memory tuned 12600k matches a 5800x3d in wowtranslation: I used a 4000 MHz Samsung bdie kit almost no one ownsMy question concerns your standard 3200 cl16 Hynix kit most people will own
>>11021341314th gen CPUs never had that via oxidation issue.It was found during 13th gen CPU production and only earlier batches of it were affected.Just buy a Ryzen CPU if you can't even research this issue properly.
>>110213380250W PL2 is too high for my liking, if I'm power limiting I want it to stay below 180W. I can't imagine anyone running these raptor lake chips stock, but I have been looking all day for weeks for data on how it performs undervolting and have found nothing.
>>110212490Probably. 75 USD isn't that much for an analog keyboard. I think you can find a bunch for about that much though.
>>110213431>14th gen CPUs never had that via oxidation issue.Exactly, so wtf is he talking about with raptor lake failing? 13th gen only? I question MLID here.
>>110213439User issue.I used to daily a 14700K with a 180W power limit, it retained over 96% of the stock 253W power draw's multicore performance.That setup passed plenty of stress tests, with an OCCT 12HR CPU stability test cert (Platinum).
>>110213298>>110213319>>110213346Not all computers get BIOS updates with the updated microcode from Intel. Lots of boards (In prebuilt PCs) are stuck on old microcode. You can probably update the CPU microcode using Linux even if you don't have a BIOS update though.
>>110207595none of the dual mode monitors have correct pixel scaling anyway>>110213428a 13900k or 14900k even with shit ram is better
>>110213455>wtf is he talking about with raptor lake failing?Because he's an unreliable shill, the definition of someone who kept bullshitting until he's got access to real sources.
>>110213465>I used to daily a 14700K with a 180W power limit, it retained over 96% of the stock 253W power draw's multicore performance.That's what I need to know, because all these damn benchmarks from HUB and GN use stock power settings so it makes the chips look hilariously bad compared to the 5800X3D for example when my brain tells me it should trounce Zen 3 with any RAM, while Google results keep suggesting me DDR4 will choke it somehow. I saw a forum thread somewhere showing a MT score result depending on the power limit or something.Like seriously, an undervolt offset, Disable CEP,, manual power limit, manual Voltage limit, all of this on a B760 should keep a 14700K in check on a standard dual tower air cooler with low voltages even in single core workloads.
>>110213277i hit my monitor while building it and had to have it sent out for warranty lmao. yeah it was an experience.but a fun one, i learned a lot.i wanted something small that can kinda be similar to a steam machine.should i worry about temps? my cpu is at like 54-57C idle. it's a 7500x3d, sitting on a asrock b850i lightning. and, like i said, when i put my hand on top, one side blows out noticeably cooler air than the other
>>110213478>13900k or 14900k even with shit ram is bettertime to find out
>>110213524>Disable CEPThis isn't necessary for Z- boards for sure. IDC about how B- boards work.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5zDWWSKyjMMidtier & higher end ASUS boards have a feature that automatically syncs the board's voltage regulator load line to the CPU AC/DC loadlines.You just have to change the LLC to cause less voltage droop to reduce CPU AC LL.You need to experiment the right DC LL + VR LLC for other brand of boards.Vcore and VID reading shouldn't be too far off, but it also shouldn't be perfectly sync'd to account for the less accurate voltage sensors.ASUS has features like socket sense & die sense that more accurately reports CPU voltages.Not trying to be an ASUS shill, but they do offer these enthusiast features.
>>110213576Most people at this point in the market for raptor lake are gonna be buy b760 chipsets from Asus/Gigabyte/MSI so some might need a bios update to enable further voltage Control, but I think they should have LLC controls too.
5800x3d using 50w beats the 14900k using 250w btw
So glad I built mine last yearthese prices are retarded and I thought I was overpaying then
So, unbox the 5800X3D and put it in my system for my sunday league race or keep my 3700X for now and get a 14700K + board instead? I've been watching people argue the whole day and my indecision has been costing me practice time given I already cleaned out my damn machine and took the cooler off.
>>1102136091. Nobody buys a 14900K 2. Undervolt + power limit + tune
>>110213709why would you bother with all the extra steps to get a new board? the 5800x3d is fine
>>110213709Ddr4 lga1700 is a dead end If you're going through the trouble of a board swap, you may as well spend the extra $500 on ddr5 and just get am5+zen6 or lga1954+novalake which are leaps and bounds better
>>110213768The theory is that the 14700K is worth an extra $150, while the 14600K + board is better at the same $400 retail price of $400.
>>110213741Is it fine at $400 (thanks taxes) though?
>>110213428hynix does high frequencies and low subtimings no problemprimaries will be kinda shit but oh well>>110213439i haven't bothered to lower the default power limit on my 14700K but that's because it's genuinely not that hard to cool this CPU (on a 360 AIO)never even hits 90C at 250Wi know it's wasteful but i just don't care, it spends maybe an hour a day MAX at 250W>>110213524>so it makes the chips look hilariously bad compared to the 5800X3D for example when my brain tells me it should trounce Zen 3 with any RAM, while Google results keep suggesting me DDR4 will choke it somehowi already tested this when the 5800X3D anniversary was released but no one believed me(/pcbg/ would rather keep console warring instead of testing out their latest schizo theories in the real world)it's roughly on par with a 5800X3D in games when running XMPbut that's because XMP is garbage, not because the CPU is garbage when you overclock the RAM it pulls away harda 5800X3D will also see some benefit from overclocked RAM, but the cores are too weak to catch up to raptor lake
>>110213780The golden cove e-cores in 13 & 14th gen Intel CPUs are just better-binned ones in the 12th gen.They are the main source of the power inefficiencies.
>>110213789The CPU is a bit garbage when it makes modern Ryzen housefires look power efficient.
the amazon truck is 3 minutes away and carrying my new tandem oled monitor
>>110213822i don't know what point you're trying to make but it's more efficient than zen 3 which is your only other choice on DDR4
>>110213841Use the Windows 11 Calibration App before you cry about HDR looking gayhttps://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/hardware/display-graphics/calibrate-your-hdr-display-using-the-windows-hdr-calibration-app.
>>110202166Can i safely buy the i7 14700k nowadays? Did they fix the instability issue?
>>110213853I wouldn't buy any used 14700K.You need to update the board BIOS to the latest stable version to protect it from potential voltage-related degradation (preferably update it before you install the CPU & RAM).
>>110213852I don't use HDR i bought this for modded minecraft nigga
>>110213845Only more efficient on multi-core full load which you'll almost never use. The point is that it's garbage. As is modern Ryzen.
>>110213874Brand new ofc, why tf would i buy a used one
>>110213258Why would maxing out you VRAM allocation be good?
>>110213927You have it, might as well use it? I guess?
>>110213890i'm sure you can tune 14th gen to provide more FPS per watt as wellit's not like those last 500 MHz are really doing all that much when the cores are stalled waiting for main memorybut i still don't really get the point, i'll gladly trade more power for more performancemaybe it's because i live in a first world country with a stable power grid, not a place where the village's power goes down if my CPU uses too many watts while gaming
>>110213947I'd rather not if another CPU can use less and look exactly the same. It really makes no sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3Cnyj0I62c
>>110213974VRAM allocation depends on graphics settings not CPU. Although I suppose some graphics settings might stress the CPU more, so having a better CPU will result in less impact from enabling them. Regardless, a lot of VRAM heavy stuff stuff like texture quality are free visual upgrade as long as you have the VRAM available so there's literally no reason to ever not use all you have.
>>110213798And what if I disable The e cores or use process lasso?
>>110213995Well that was sort of my point. Why claim the CPU is utilizing more VRAM.
>>110213880minecraft mods famously not having any hdr mods or shaders
>>110214027Buy a CPU with full Pcores if you're not going to fully utilizes all the cores you paid for.
>He boughted a 5090 or 5080Soon to be abandonware award.Soon to have a cable melty award.
>>110214028No clue. I don't think that's literally what's being claimed either, though. The claim is "Steelrising with ultra textures is maxing out vram allocation". Maybe that game didn't run well on whatever CPU he had before.
>>110214059I bought both and could sell now years later and double my money minimal. That's like being paid for hundreds of hours of gaming. I feel pretty good right now. Hell even my 3090 in storage gas increased in value.
>>110214059>Currently coping award
the AMD display drivers REALLY do not like this new monitor... holy shit
>>110214168You need to enable VRR / FreeSync / GSync through the monitor OSD before you try to enable FreeSync on Adrenaline.Check if there's any scalar firmware update for the monitor as well, but this usually won't be related to GPU issues.
>>110214186i dont know what any of that means or is, i just found out that my old monitor that i've had for years has a matte coating lol
>>110214190https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQdo67SjIHk
>>110214168try a TV most radeon tech is made for playstations fater all
that's a mogthe text fringing is hard to notice but yeah the greys look terrible lol>>110214186the monitor came with the sync shit enabled but the drivers had it off by default, which led to some abhorrent screen tearing and glitching until I fixed it
yeah, I'm waiting for ddr6 now, gonna skip ddr5 entirelyhttps://www.3dcenter.org/news/ddr6-speicher-fuer-192-bit-speicherinterfaces-camm2-bauform-anstatt-udimm-sodimm
>>110214341You bought a WOLED? It is what it is.Guessing the left side is the new OLED.Test out the different image presets.If you find the colors to be overly saturated, you can try the hardware emulated sRGB profile or use Windows' Auto Color Management (ACM).Don't use the monitor sRGB profile + Windows ACM simultaneously though.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD_l0xmvMEU
>>110214379yeah I got the gigabyte MO27Q28GRmakes my old ips panel look terrible
>>110213609shit retards say>>110213625I knew prices were good but had no reason to build either>>11021370913600k were given away for free before all u needed was a board (which was cheaper too)I would feel demoralized "upgrading" to an already too slow cpu in todays day and ageI would just triple down cope and buy next time aroundbut for now you can only cope>>110213714normies just buy ayymd and start posting on reddit>>110213927it's not good it's a broken game engine lol>>110214059laughing in poverty just doesn't hit>>110214370>new gpus will release before>forced to build with overpriced ddr5it's over>>110214394tolded you to boughterize mo32u24
>>110214422>I would just triple down cope and buy next time around>but for now you can only copeWith that CPU mein failure?
>>110214038The plan is obviously to utilize all available cores, but the bottleneck will be a 60 demos 8+1 vrm or a 12+1+1 if you spend another 30$ for a board with shitter I/O, so you are basically forced to cap it at 180w on all cores while the 5800x3d can do that on 8
>>110213880Minecraft HDR exists>>110213789>hynix does high frequencies and low subtimings no problemMy kit has been running at 1.36v on auto XMP since 2019 and 2023, time to find out
do good 1080p screens that work good at 60hz work still? for those games you can't run at high fpsI got a 1440p 27" and its just too big for my viewing distance on my desk, I still have a 1080p 144hz 24" screen and its alright, but sadly doesn't have VRR/gaysinc. also TF kekor are these meme 300000 gorillion hz screens worth it?
>>110214484>My kit has been running at 1.36v on auto XMP since 2019 and 2023, time to find outany idea what kind of hynix dies you have?use this: https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4%20OC%20Guide.md#integrated-circuits-icsCJR might get stuck at ~4000 MHz (which is still a respectable number, some CPUs will top out at that frequency in gear 1 anyway)DJR has no real frequency wall, it's basically proto-DDR5, only a matter of how high the CPU and board goes
>>110202166I got a prebuilt off a friend who only asked for his buying price which was insane but he didnt want to deal with the hassle of selling it on marketplace2k flat for>5080>7800x3d>32gb ram>1tb ssdI kinda wish it had 64gbs of ram. Is it worth trying to source another 32gb ddr5 for $500 or will 32gb be enough until the end of the ram apocalypse. Also 1tb isnt enough but every where I look ssds are 100 per tb, even satas. Am I missing something or should I look for used ssds.
>>11021462032gb is more than enough for gaming. A 2 tb would be more useful than more ram. No cheap options for either. Maybe Black Friday if in the USA.
>>110214514You can find plenty of decent budget 1080p gaming monitors.Even Amazon Basics 24.5" 1080p gaming monitors should be okay, these are regularly discounted to sub $70.These are two PCPartPicker-listed 1080p budget gaming monitors I'd consider.https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TKWmP6/dell-se2426hg-240-1920-x-1080-240-hz-monitor-se2426hghttps://pcpartpicker.com/product/DqQKHx/koorui-24e3-240-1920-x-1080-165-hz-monitor-24e3You might as well get the Dell 240Hz at a $10 difference.
>>110214620You got a good friend, did he upgrade to a 5090?It's not worth buying another set of RAM unless you really need the extra capacity, it will fuck up EXPO compatibility.
I want to upgrade by 5700x to 58003d mainly for emulation. But im not sure buying outdated CPU for ~$500 is worth it
>>110214769Not worth.
>>110214747Don't buy that Koorui monitor, the Amazon link redirects to a VA monitor.
everything looks so good on an oled wtf
>>1102145141080p 24" ips 240hz should be like 100 bux with vrr
>>110214843>'If I can't have it, you're not allowed to enjoy it. It's going to burn in!'
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>>110214843You should replay your favorite horror games on the OLED display.
