/balding/ and /finasteride/ general - hair is love, hair is life!Sticky: http://tuxbell.com/index.php/BaldingReminder that if you can clearly see down to your scalp when your hair is wet, your hair is thinning, lots of small new hairs sprouting at the hairline or crown is a sign of hair recession.Holy trinity:Tabs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FinasterideLotion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MinoxidilShampoo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KetoconazoleFinasteride/Dutasteride are 5-alpha reductase inhibitors that prevent free T from being converted to DHT, a byproduct of testosterone that serves no purpose after puberty but to choke out your hair follicles and make them thin out and die in a few short years, a condition known as androgenic alopecia.5ar inhibitors prevent your hair from getting any worse, mild regrowth is expected, rapid onset diffuse thinners see a significant recovery on fin alone. Can be taken orally or topically.5ARIs are not dosage dependent, taking as little as as 0.2mg daily fin can reduce serum DHT by 68%, while 5mg reduces by 72%.0.5mg daily dut reduces serum DHT by 95%, but is considered a second line treatment, and can be more expensive and harder to get prescribed. Start with fin.Fin has been used to treat benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) for 30+ years, it's very well studied and is tolerated well in almost all men, however, there's a 1-2% risk of erectile issues in controlled studies.These can be avoided by reducing dosage, spacing out dosage, or stopping the drug. Fin takes days to fully bio-accumulate, the half life of fin is about 8 hours, adverse effects occuring within minutes of starting fin or persisting long after stopping fin are not real and have no basis in reality. Please note that dut has a much higher half-life of 5 weeks, if you're prone to fin sides, dut may cause them for far longer.Refer to https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3481923/ before responding to PFS trolls.
Minoxidil (liquid and tabs) is a vasodialator that opens potassium channels and widens blood vessels bringing nutrients to your hair follicles, stimulating them into thickening, accelerating growth and elongating the growth phase. Min is taken with fin to restore your hair to it's original hairline, thickness and vigor when hair loss is caught early enough, (pre-NW2). Can be taken orally or topically.Topical min does not work in 1/3 of men because they lack the required enzymes in their scalp, all men have this enzyme in their liver so the oral route is a good fallback.The FDA formulation for 5% liquid minoxidil is food safe (vape juice, ethanol and water) and can be safely taken orally if oral min tabs are expensive or rarely prescribed where you live. As a general rule, ~4 drops (0.1ml) = 5mg minoxidil.There's a 1-2% risk of fluid retention with higher oral dosages, start with the lowest dosage possible and work your way up when you're sure it's well tolerated.Ketoconazole is an anti-androgen and antifungal that inhibits DHT on the scalp and used to treat fungal infections of the scalp that may be making your hair loss worse such as seborrheic dermatitis, a condition where you exhibit severe greasy, flaky large dandruff flakes with dried yellow crystals (blood plasma) embedded in the scalp. Some people may only have traction alopecia (hair loss from scratching or friction), but it will not cure androgenic alopecia on it's own. Can only be taken topically.Do not use spirolactone. Spirolactone is a diuretic which, in large doses, inhibits testosterone and, by extension, DHT.It is regularly prescribed as an anti-androgen for male to female HRT, and thus, comes with an astronomically higher risk of sexual side effects in men including ED, gynecomastia, and can cause potassium toxicity.Previous thread:>>18770192
>>18780021Is he not using Fin/Dut?
>>18780027Probably now after the 2nd transplant. Maybe vitamins includes it?
>>18780029Looks very natural, who is that Atlanta HT surgeon? I bet he does a lot of celebrity transplants.
>>18780031Dr. Ken Anderson.To be fair I think Cena's hairline has been completely intact his entire life and the transplants were addressing the midscalp/crown. At worst it's maybe progressed into a NW1 at nearly 50.
It's like he was receding in reverse. Super odd having the hairline being more DIHT resistant
Just wash your hair with eggs and honey, and massage your scalp. Guaranteed to grow your hair back. Stop buying random chemical slop concotions.
>>18780016It would be funnier if he had horseshoe pattern baldness.
>>18780148lolBullshit 'holistic' methods and home remedies like that are retarded.
JUST OWN IT
>>18780159honestly looks badass, kill foids for hating this
>>18780148this will only make hair on sides and back better, good if you want hairstyle like Heihachi
>>18780259It looks like an oblivion npc
>be me>grow up in a family who all have puffy dry frizzy hair>always keep my hair cut short>in high school my brother tried growing his hair long and it looked like absolute fucking shit>looked like George Washington on the dollar bill, and this became his nickname for a year or so>this reinforces my belief that I have shitty hair that cannot look good long>age many years>start to get grey streaks a couple years ago>have a mild midlife crisis and somehow decide to grow my hair out, once in my life>haven't cut it in over a year, learning to manage with the right conditioners, products, and routines>but now it's too late because my hairline is starting to V and I could start getting a bald patch anytime nowfuck I've been so in love with my long(er) hair and want to keep growing it for at least another 12-16 months before I decide on the final length, but I feel like I won't make it. Once you get a bald patch long hair just doesn't fucking work.
>>18780262all oblivion npcs are ugly but there are plenty fullhead ones, does it mean every guy with hair also looks like an oblivion npc no matter how attractive his face is?
>>18780159I never understood how the just shave it bro mentality is supposed to convey confidence. If you really are comfortable with your baldness you'd let it grow out instead of being another generic egghead with a cope beard on the street.
>>18780267it's about having a silhouette that isn't uncanny valley. letting your hair gain volume and puff-out when it's not growing uniformly around your head is not a flattering profile. you want to maintain a handsome headshape and silhouette somehow, and for most guys that means cutting it short so they don't take on weird polygon shapes.
>>18780267Shaved bald = servile, gynocratic slave, opts for the safe options in life, defeated, coping, in constant need of affirmation from other predictable eggheads and foidsGrown out norwood = truly confident, aristocratic, noble, carefree, comfortable in oneself, wise, risk taker
>>18780269>he's not pennywisemaxxingNgmi
>>18780269what about the men with >>18780019head shapes?
>>18780276
>>18780269goofiest theory ever
>>18780310
does topical minox have the same potential side effects as oral? I don't mind extra hair growth anywhere/everywhere but I'd like to avoid fucking with my heart.
>>18780318my understanding is that as long as you scalp is 100% dry and you use the least amount possible (i.e. it won't spread down to your eyes etc over several hours of your day or sleep) it's much safer and isn't absorbed into your blood. But that's hard to achieve after a shower, and if you use any hair product that ends up on your scalp it will interfere as well. I bought the juice about a year ago and haven't been able to use it because of these reasons
>>18780277
I'm like norwood 1.5 at 26 but my dad went gigabald like instantly in his 20s so during a visit to dermatologist for an unrelated reason I asked if I should be doing anything and she told me to use pic related.Does anyone actually know if it helps prevent balding in any way?
>>18780425Snake oil
>>18780266No. The neotenous face contrasted with a nw5 is straight out of oblivion.
>29>severe thinning all over crown since i hit puberty>2.5 months topical min+fin>noticing hair very slowly covering bald spotsthere is hope
>>18780594the hard part is sticking to it for the long haul and missing as few applications as possible. in two years from now you will be so glad
>>18780603yeah havent missed a single day so far. it's annoying to do it every day but still a million times better than going bald. even though i started balding as a kid, i never accepted it. wonder if it might have had different feelings about balding if it progressed normally.
>>18780267Michael Ironside should be included in these threads. He looked great until he got fat when he was 60+.
am I a Norwood 1 or 2 I can't tell, but I know something is changing
>>187810901
The TRUE Method to keep your hair Genetics DO play a role but not in the way you believe, rather they protect you and allow you to keep your hair even if you do a lot of unhealthy habits. But as with working out and skincare, you can make up for them with epigeneticsHow do you go about it? (the true holy trinity)1. Fix your diet, stop eating garbage and processed food, hair needs cistheine and methionine in order to grow, protein powerhouses like eggs, raw red meat and raw dairy are crucial as they provide you with these aminoacids.2. Quit shampoo, it stresses your scalp by stripping it from its natural oils and forcing oil overproduction to make up for it, wonder why does it get greasy after a few days? Alongside all the toxic chemicals it has on it.You can wash your hair using raw eggs, it contains all the minerals and nutrients your hair needs (Biotin, Vitamin A, B, D, E, Selenium, etc.)No it does NOT smell, but if you really care about it you can add natural oils like Castor or Avocado oil. There are plenty of testimonials online of people quitting shampoo and using these methods.If you think it's gross or you are allergic to eggs, you can use Apple Cider Vinegar + Water (1:1 ratio), or Bentonite Clay.3. Have daily sunlight, it can be any time of the day but I prefer during the morning or dusk where UV concentration is the lowest, people with AGA tend to be deficient in Vitamin D. Extra: 1. Lower your cortisol, high cortisol puts your hair into a resting phase and eventually leds to shedding.Avoid these afforementioned chemically castrating drugs and evaluate your shitty lifestyle where you eat garbage, sleep like shit and you find yourself constantly stressed and then blame "genetics".Or if you are going to do it anyways, at least make sure to get these things right before getting into any prescriptions.
>>18781185stinky alert
>>18781185Regarding sunlight, it leads to the production of Vitamin D in your body, I guess supplements work but probably not as good as simply being outside.You can add things like:Scalp Massages: These stimulate your scalp and increase the bloodflow and increases the delivery of nutrients. Check the dermatologist Rob English for this. (Minoxidil was originally a drug prescribed for cardiac problems, until they realized it had some effects in the hair by increasing bloodflow, on top of being extremely toxic.)Silk Bonet/Pillowcases: Unlike cotton, this material helps to reduce friction when you sleep, mechanical friction or pulling tend to be really common causes of any hairline recession.Wooden Comb: Plastic or metal combs can create static electricity that can damage your hair overtime.Rosemary Oil: Similar to minoxidil, it stimulates growth, but unlike minoxidil, it's not toxic and you can stop using it and keep whatever growth you achieved.
>>18781185Like 0.1% of balding cases are not hormonal, this is all cosmetic at best. Also what is the point of topically applying vitamins? They won't go systemic, you should have done at least cursory research into your pseud fanfic.
>>18780021>>18780029>>18780048This nigga nuked his sperm count with roidmaxxing so hard he turned infertile and now is coping rationalizing it's his choice not having kids is his choice becuase he doesn't have "time" when he's a fucking octrillionaireeven worse if his balls still function and have sperm, actually even worse for him thenmeanwhile he's busy copemaxxing with hairtranplants with egocentric beautifying your own looks for no end, no purpose, look better for who? his life serves zero purpose and meaning, a life truly wastedhe is doneAnyways, what's a nice comfy hat(cap) to wear for larger heads can't find anything that is comfy nglonly can rock beanies the fuck
>>18781249He's an A-list actor now and having hair isn't exactly negotiable when Statham is already more than enough for that niche.
>>18780267I think a good barber could still make something decent out of this hair situation. Keeping the sides really short and leaving the top longer, then styling it accordingly, could work. Sure, at 25 it would look stupid either way. But for someone over 40, it would be fine.
>>18781348Despite being one of few guys to actually pull it off he was a notorious hat coper in real life funnily enough.
>>18781349it's not even just cope, the scalp needs protection from heat and coldwe are not meant to be bald
>>18781347how about the niche of a bald male actor who isn't the size of a fucking 12 year old lmfaoo
>>18781371Crazy how camera trickery makes him look in movies. He's being mogged by an 80 year old de niro in real life.
>>18781347>He's an A-list actor nowThat's not a real thing, it doesn't existHis life is void, null, useless, finished, done
>>18780021>49 years old>oh noo my hair guys come on i need to look cute and sexy even if i'm already famous and r ichMf should have just gone Bruce Willis way with being a cooler older retired detective type shit in his career
I've been on fin for 6 months, hasn't done shit for my hair but I had morning wood so hard today it almost hurt. I also haven't had a depressive episode since I started, and I normally have one every few months. Could be in my head but it seems all the side effects so far are entirely positive.
>>18781413>I also haven't had a depressive episode since I started, and I normally have one every few months.Could be caused by low test and the increase from fin inadvertently fixed it
>>18780425DHT blockers are the only thing that reliably stop/slow down hair loss, everything else is a meme, especially for those poor bastards you sometimes see that go from norwood 1 to 5 in like two years. If it happened to your dad then there is a good chance it will happen to you too so pay attention to your hairline and react swiftly
I'm 37, nearing 38 and I've recently noticed way more hair in the shower drain than before. This is how many hairs are in the drain each time I shower.Am I fucked? I thought I'm too old for balding already
>>18781547Shedding is normal. What isn't normal is thinning due to genetic baldness. Post a picture of your hairline and crown and we'll be able to determine if you're balding or not.
I WANT TO STOP FUCKING SHEDDING AHHHHHHGuys never get stressed out at work it's gonna make everything so much worse While I knew I was balding it remained full and barely moved for years, now I got stressed at work for like half a year and I can't stop gulping hair while showering, hair literally falls in front of my eyes when I comb through it with my fingers and in terms of thickness it feels literally like fucking nothing in the front. I hope the thinning is just temporary due to stress but if it's not I feel like it might even be too late Does fin even make sense at this point? Minoxidil clearly hasnt helped, I'm currently at Norwood 3-3.5 plus apparently thinning HARD in the past few months so I'm not sure what to do.
>>18781570> I'm currently at Norwood 3-3.5 plus apparently thinning HARD in the past few months so I'm not sure what to do.Fin and forget for 2 years, then reassess. >Does fin even make sense at this point? Minoxidil clearly hasnt helpedYes. It's the only thing that works for male baldness. Temper your expectations, but expect a full cessation of further hair loss.
>>18781571>expect a full cessationHow quickly? I just want peace of mind, I can't anymore Honestly as long as my dick still works and I'm fertile I'll be happy, how realistic is that? Also should i switch to oral min?
>>18781572>How quickly?From the first pill you take, DHT is under control. That doesn't translate to a cosmetic gain right away, sadly you need to spend months either worse than baseline or slowly gaining hair before it looks better. Because hair grows slowly and in cycles.>Honestly as long as my dick still works and I'm fertile I'll be happy, how realistic is that? VERY realistic. Clinically, your dick not working or getting gyno from finasteride is very rare. You might want to block any content related to baldness for the first few months, because it's very easy to lose your sanity when dealing with hair loss and seeing people fearmonger about finasteride every day. >Also should i switch to oral min?If you want to guarantee that minoxidil is going to work, sure. Some people don't respond to topical. But the only way to know if topical minoxidil was working is to quit it cold turkey and see if you lose a drastic amount of hair. Brutal process, but that gives you certainty.
Greying is a worse enemy than balding. Fuck. Keep getting white hairs. So many on the crown.
>>18781577How is it worse, would you rather have no hair? Just dye your hair if it bothers you lol
>>18781576>Clinically, your dick not working or getting gyno from finasteride is very rareDefine very rare
>>18781595nta but most jewtubers say its like 1%, Its one of those things with meds where if you expect it to have side affects then it will happen. You can try less powerful dht blockers like ketoconazole shampoo and/or saw palmetto first but if that don't work then fin/dut is your only other option.
>>18781607I hate even discussing this like it's a common occurrence at all but just stop taking the meds if that happens, there are zero clinically observed cases of a persistent side effect.
>>18781616Every person i ever talked to taking fin ultimately admits to some side effects, they just don't consider them for some reason >oh yeah I had aching balls the first few weeks but then it went away >oh yeah I have no sides, just watery semen
>>18781625That's more so your body acclimating to initial elevated hormonal levels than a predictable and repeatable occurrence as a direct result of finasteride being present in your blood. Sometimes people are just more sensitive to the process of getting your DHT under control, you'll be fine in a month.
I leave some hair in the front for fun and buzz the rest. I guess I could grow it way out and do a comb-back, but that would be embarrassing in a non-fun way. I tried Rogaine years ago but it didn't really help. My dad was bald and more importantly my mom's dad was bald. There's no avoiding what's coming. Enjoy what hair you have left I always say.
>>18781639Nice m8. No reason to go full skinhead while you still have something. Bit weird that teenagers who are barely balding are told to join the skinhead cult instead of even ATTEMPTING treatment.
>>18781639Oral min + fin immediately and you have about a 50/50 chance of making a serviceable recovery. This is your very last chance if any part of you wants to at least attempt saving it.
>>18781648>Oral min + finWhat exactly is this and how much does it cost? I'm in my forties and Rogaine foam didn't seem to help me 10 years ago.
>>18781653Oral minoxidil is the pill form of Rogaine. A lot of guys lack sufficient enzyme activity in their scalp so the stuff you rub on doesn't work, oral bypasses that and is all but guaranteed to provide results.Finasteride will prevent your hair loss from progressing further and usually leads to regrowth for a lot of people. Neither will bring you back to your childhood hairline at this stage but with a bit of luck your situation can drastically improve.If you live in the US just get a keeps or hims subscription for now with oral formulations. I think its about $20 a month. Once you're more familiar you can shop around and lower your premium quite a bit.
>>18781661Thanks.I bought the 5-in-1 Keeps chews. It's $100 every three months. Supposedly it takes 4-6 months to even begin working. Oh well, it's just money. I don't expect it to work just like I don't expect to win if I play a slot machine. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.
>>18781639lmao
>>18781669Nice good luck on your journey. >Supposedly it takes 4-6 months to even begin working.It begins working immediately. Your hair loss will stabilize and at least it won't get worse. Seeing visual improvement however is a different story. 3-6 months for initial results is about right. My best advice is to wait at the very least a year, ideally a year and a half and see where you're at then.
>>18781639Don't cut most of the top short. Let everything on top grow to the same length as that patch at the front. Let your sides grow out more. Scissor cut not clippers. Get on fin+min. You can save it
>it is scientifically proven that DHT helps maintain adult sex drive and contributes to muscle mass>but somehow nuking your dht with finasteride by 70% is supposed to have side effects in only 1-2% of people Something doesn't add up here
>>18781839Replace DHT with testosterone and it wouldn't be a lie.
>>18781839>Something doesn't add up hereYeah, your understanding of DHT.
>>18781887>>18781929You both are seething but how is he wrong?
>>18781955Muscles have very low amounts of 5AR activity. It takes a lot of DHT to have an anabolic effect (the amount produced naturally is nowhere near it). Testosterone is far more important, and 5AR inhibitors INCREASE testosterone.
>>18781968Notice how he didn't address the second point because it's not disprovable 5AR is the first step in making several neurosteroids, which are steroids produced in or acting on the brain. The best-studied is allopregnanolone: 5AR converts progesterone into an intermediate, and another enzyme turns that into allopregnanolone. In animal studies, these neurosteroids also influence sexual behavior and protect nerve cells and myelin. Allopregnanolone matters enough that a synthetic version, brexanolone, and an oral relative, zuranolone, are now approved treatments for postpartum depression.And that's the brain side of things. The most horrifying biological fact:Penile tissue contains 5AR. Androgens help maintain the enzyme that produces nitric oxide, the main signal for erection, as well as the smooth muscle structure that lets the penis fill and trap blood.DHT is LITERALLY mechanically linked to having an erection so put 2 and 2 together and realize what will happen to you after you nuke it.
>>18781975>In animal studies, Dropped
>>18781977How exactly would you conduct human studies without ethical concerns retard Anyway it does the same job for humans
>>18781983Ethically via scans and other non invasive measurements Then stuff like picrelated comes out Enjoy getting your dick shrunk and potentially suicide
>>18781984Why not post the link to the study? Is this why?https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7354335/>This study was funded by an unrestricted grant from the Post-Finasteride Foundation.The control group is 25 men with "PFS", lmao you can't make this up.
>>18782009By the way PFS is literally just estrogen excess
>>18782009>noooo you can't just be funded by an independent organisation, you have to be funded by a Pharma gigacorpo which makes the medication or it doesn't count!!!Lmao
>>18782013>independent organizationThat was involved in a multi-million dollar lawsuit with the FDA when this study came out. Stop being a fucking retard.
>>18782017Applying Occam's razor here: should you NOT sue the gigacorpo if it turns out their medication has debilitating side effects?
>>18782022Class action lawsuits are borderline fraudulent. It's in the best interest of the case to encourage claimants to lie and exaggerate in order to increase the settlement fund pool. This is why you see a laundry list of side effects on OTC medication as the pool of users is significantly higher and therefore it poses a higher risk of fraudulent class action lawsuits. Basically when finasteride was first made available it was an obscure drug and the lawyers failed to account for the popularity it would see in 20 years time. Just look at Tylenol, arguably the most common OTC drug of all time, guess how many lawsuits they've settled? Thousands, class action suits are a multi-billion dollar industry.>sue the gigacorpoFinasteride is off patent, Merck doesn't make money from finasteride.
You guys ever heard of Post-Baldness syndrome?
>>18782036
>>18782059>he did suicide
>>18782036>Post-Baldness syndrome?let me guess>go bald>come to 4chans>post baldness
>>18780628He look fucking cool.
>>187810901 but it can be hard to tell when you have a naturally high hairline. Fin+min will serve you well for years, it'll be 5-10 years before you start actually feeling like you're 'balding'.
>>18782306If he really is a NW1 all he needs is fin for maintenance.
>>18782363for real, i hate seeing people mention min so often when it may not be necessary considering you'll have to take it every day for the rest of your life potentially
>>18782454I think you can probably get away with taking it once every 3 days, or once a week, if it's the 1mg pill.In any case it's also good to take if you have a family history of prostate cancer
So I was "approved" by their bullshit provider (as if they don't just sell to anyone) and they're sending my chews. I guess in 12 to 18 months I'll see if I can bring back some hair.
>>18782463Nice. If you know it works, then you can save money by getting generic Propecia (1mg dose) and Minoxidil (usually 2.5mg for hairloss) from Costplusdrugs instead of their Keeps compounded solution. But you'd need to go through another consultation with a health care provider for that.
>>18782306>>18782363>>18782454>>18782458NW1-anon here. I booked a consultation for this. I would really prefer tablets over topical because of my hair routine (it's always wet in the morning, I have to put product in to stop looking like Sideshow Bob, etc) so topical 'nox is just too difficult (scalp has to be clean and dry and supposed to apply at least 1x but the label says 2x a day).I just have to make sure the tablets won't make me sick or dizzy or all those other things. I'll see what they say, I just want to get started early so that in a year or 3 from now I'm not cursing myself for not starting early.
>>18782463Keeps billed me, never sent me ANY products, billed me twice more, still never sent anything. 3 years later they never refunded me a penny and never sent me ANY min or fin. Fuck that kike run company.
>>18782504i would never buy fin or min from a branded company.
What do if Norwood 7?
>>18782554Shave it. Some people do insane 12k graft hair transplants, but it'll just look like you're perpetually diffuse thinning hard. Which looks worse than just being baldNW1: you're not balding NW2: fin and minNW3/NW4: hair transplant + fin and minNW5: pushing it, most likely hair transplant will get you to a nw3 at bestNW6+: shave it
>>18782463Your hair will initially look worse due to shedding phases, it sounds scary but it's a positive thing for regrowth. Shave your head if don't want to look extra thin in the first couple months but do not stop taking the meds during these phases or you will be worse off.
How are we feeling about clascoterone 5%? 12 month safety review is done on phase 3 trials, should be FDA approved and available next year at some point. Will you add it to your stack?
>>18782656We already have RU-58841 for a topical androgen blocker so it's not exactly going to be a game changer. It will be a net benefit to anybody though I don't enjoy using topicals so I'll pass.
>>18782656How can you be feeling something about a drug you've never tried and there's no proper reviews for other than clinical trials?
Balding will be cured this century (like proper cured, meaning you can gene edit your kids to not bald) and this fact makes me incredibly depressed. Literally born just 50-100 years too early
>>18782665I wouldn't be so certain, we still don't know which genes are responsible for passing on the sensitivity to DHT. Literally the best understanding we have is that it's your mom's grandpa lol (probably bullshit). Unfortunately I think we're still a long ways off of even fully understanding it.
>>18782669Discovery of DHT is 60 years oldFinasteride is 30 years oldCrispr for humans is 13 years old First fully successful hair cloning is 4 years oldIt think you don't comprehend the pace of human progress
>>18782670You gotta believe it when you see it in this game
>>18782674This has nothing to do with the 5 years meme, it's just basic extrapolation Especially with the renewed social stigma that comes with balding (or more precisely male demand to fix it), it's only a matter of time
>>18782665Life has been steadily getting worse every year since 2007 and you want to be born 50-100 years later. Son.
No one has any side effects?
>>18782756is having a juvenile hairline a side effect?
/bald/bros, I've been on min + fin for quite a while and it is working great!Has anyone had dandruff or flaky scalp too??I've been dealing with dandruff since forever, and doc gave me some antidandruff prescription, but it's making my hair and scalp very dry and flaky.It werks, but I don't know what to do about the dry hair. Any recommendations???
>>18782756hair grows everywhere except on head kek
>>18782759that would be problematic
>>18782758ketoconazole 1% got rid of my dandruff and I used a drop every week on my hairline to keep it from coming back, I just ran out, my last bottle lasted 2 years.
>>18782763did you have flaky scalp or very dry hair from using ketoconazole?
>>18782764I only used a small amount after regular shampoo and before conditioner so that was never an issue for me.
>>18782768oh so you can use shampoo while using ketoz ???shocking truth!
>>18782774the problem is at the scalp, I never really got medicated shampoos that pair a crap shampoo with an active ingredient, just lather up a small amount and let it sit where it's needed for a few minutes
>>18782776alright, thanks senpaiI'll report results later
>>18782756The side effect is that you don't have to go bald in the worst time in history to be a bald young man.
day 8 of using minoxidil foami'm getting the hang of applicationstill very annoying though
>>18782786>apply at night>apply at morning>6 months in and all I can see is new thin hair.I'll just stick to my oral min+fin, thanks
>>18782785Nigga being bald sucks, but not being able to get hard or having heart palpitations sucks even moreThere's a reason why all these treatments are for other things
>>18782789the min dosage for high blood pressure is 5x the one for hair regrowth
>>18782789Efficay is a foreign concept to you retards. Name the last medication you took.
>>18782800Probably something for my allergy. I'm a healthy guy
>>18782801You should just deal with it instead of getting depression and death from those meds
>take dutasteride + oral minoxidil>still go baldthe "balding is voluntary" crowd must be big pharma shills or people who weren't even going bald in the first place and still took the drugs
>>18782840Lying, AGA was not the cause of your hair loss, dosing incorrectly.
>>18782869What other types of hair loss make you go bald on the front and top while leaving the sides and back intact?
>>18782873burying your head in too much snatch amirite
>>18782869Finasteride is not a guarantee you won't go bald little retard. It doesn't remove 100% of DHT and if your follicles are extremely sensitive to dht due to genetics, as long as there's some dht it'll only slow down things at best
Is there even a single reason NOT to use topical fin other than convenience?From what I've understood the goal is to minmax scalp and serum DHT, since scalp dht is what actually matters and serum dht is what leads to side effects. And based on study topical leads to the same scalp reduction and results while having lower serum dht.
>>18782966>lower serum dht Higher serum dht/lower reduction*
I took fin on and off like every other day for about 2 years and for the past 6 months I've been taking 1mg daily but I'm experiencing massive sheds lately especially at the hairlinefeels like it pushed back 1 cm in just a couple of weeksis shit like this normal or I'm just fucked?
>>18783015You're a non responder, it's over for you buddy
https://www.reddit.com/r/bald/s/RMXSSoxWaw
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>>18783029he looks better with the thin hair, and someone needs to tell him to get on fin and min
>>18782873You are leaving out details for sure. What were your dosages and schedule? Are you positive the meds were genuine?>>18782896We're talking about dutasteride and oral min while still going bald. Nice reading comprehension. Oral min is a powerful enough growth stimulant that you would improve on that alone, completely disregarding an environment with 90-97% DHT reduction.
>>18782966Unless you're reaching 100% coverage of the follicles on your scalp it will be less effective than oral. If you're not slick bald you will end up using way more than 1ml to achieve this and at that point systemic absorption will probably rival concentration of just taking it orally.>>18783015Shed means it's working now, do NOT stop taking it or alter the daily dose. It will regrow thicker in 2 months. Straying from the clinically approved dose does not work for everybody and it's best to just take it as directed as in your case.
>>18783029Sad how evil these people are. Turned into freak for their own amusement over what would be such an easy recovery.
>>18783029Before pic btw As one Redditor said, he should just wear a wig
>>18783088Mentioning finasteride, minoxidil or hair transplants or any hair treatments on the bald sub reddit gets your comment deleted
>>18782966Topical finasteride goes systemic. And you can't precisely control dosing because you're just vaguely splashing some liquid on your head, you may even end up getting more systemic exposure than if you took oral. Lower dose oral makes more sense if you're that worried about sides.
>>18783138That's not what the science says though, serum dht is lower on topical vs scalp dht
>>1878302917k likes for what amounts to showing your mangled skull to the world instead of saving your hair to mask it. What the fuck is wrong with Reddit.
>>18782669>the best understanding we have is that it's your mom's grandpaexperts agree that mom's side of the family thing was a myth and it can come from either side
>>18783167We don't even know what those genes are let alone are able to isolate and alter them
>>18783167Mom's father I thought.
>>18783029Redditors are astoundingly evil. These people deserve oblivion lol.
i'm 26, is it finmin time? i'm scared
>>18783257>evilYou're an idiot.
>>18783260It was time a norwood ago>>18783261All of the fake compliments in the world won't make his life any fucking easier looking like that. They know it looks bad, you know it looks bad. I pmed him hoping to talk some sense so he doesn't kill himself in a year. Be ashamed of yourself.
>>18783261You have no argument but still felt the need to reply with the most generic insult. Surely you see the irony?
>>18783260You should have started years ago because regrowing hair is a lot harder than maintaining. Based on your pic, you're close to a NW4.
>>18783287What's the point of saying that? It's not like you can turn back time, you're basically doing it just to hurt the person more
>>18783291Its a warning to others.
>>18783305No 18 year old is gonna hop on fin because they're Norwood 2It's ironic but you really need some visible balding before you seriously start considering taking dick shrinking meds That's why fin at Norwood 3/4 + hair transplant seems to be the sweet spot
Can a hair transplant save you if you have a 5head? I'm not balding but I've always had a high hairline and remember being told I had a lebron james hairline when I was in the 5th grade.
>>18783391Yeah, you can get your hairline lowered with a hair transplant. But your hairline is also the most aesthetically important area and so it’s important to find a surgeon that knows how to make a natural looking one.
>>18783315Why are you still here? It's sad at this point
>>18780016started taking dutasteride 3 times a week 0.5mg and upped my minoxidil intake to twice a day (topical). I also use rosemary oil twice a week.Currently 23 years olddiffuse thinner NW2.5 here, WAGMI. If i have good results i will post here. Praying for u bros
>>18783399>taking dut at 23Uh oh...
>>18783435what
>>18783443some ppl are highly aware that young men go through a second puberty from 20-30 where your skull enlarges and you continue to masculinize further, blocking DHT in your early 20s prevents this masculination supposedly
>>18783445Lmao at least you were trying before. Are you secretly posting from inside a frat house?
>>18783391post your hairline
I’ve taken a dose of fin 1mg for two days, my balls/feet are cold now and I’m a little more tired than usual. Dick still works. Should I give it a couple weeks or just halve the dose immediately? I was on fin a few years ago and these symptoms went away upon cessation but I want to keep my hair… anyone have success lowering the dose or just waiting it out?
>>18783529>my balls/feet are cold nowLol I don't think that's related to fin
>>18780311still can't believe anyone listened to a guy with this haircut
>>18783315lots of kids might soon start taking meds at 18 even without balding because of all the looksmax content on tiktok
Why is the attractiveness difference between a NW2 and NW3 so drastic? A NW2 can look great with short hair, long hair, almost any hair styles besides those that need huge volume up top like pompadours. A NW3 is always a sore flaw even in an attractive face (Jude Law, Prince William, etc).
>>18783260Get on Oral minoxidil (2.5mg) and Dutasteride (0.5mg) a day I recovered my crown thinning 100% back to norwood 1 thickness and it hasn't been a year yet.also recommend looking up the various shampoos used for seborrheic dermatitis start using them in rotation, your scalp looks oily and it will help bring back your hair follicles while on medication. how old are you?
>>18783577Hair is vitally important in the looks of a man
>>18783577The pic you posted is not a Norwood 2 lmao
20Starting finmin tomorrow Wish me luck!!
>>18783691He's definitely not NW1, his hairline edge is recessed but only a little. I guess NW1.5?
I thought femboys would be on dut since they're often on E already but the reaper comes for them too.
>>18783824I concur
1 year in fin and min. I can see no difference. I have recession at the temples which I understand is hard if not impossible to bring back. The rest of my hair is fine.Should I just quit?
>>18783897>Should I just quit?Why? Stabilization is a result, in fact it's a win. Because male pattern baldness is a progressive condition.
>>18783900Risk of side effects like accelerated aging from min.I may stay on fin just to prevent further loss.I also do microneedling and keto shampoo. The microneedling and topical min are a pain to do whereas a fin pill is easy enough to stay on, although may have side effects on libido etc.
>>18783905I don't think you have ever taken fin or min.
>>18783907OK thank you for your contribution.
>>18783905Min doesn’t accelerate aging you literally just got older lol. Plus there’s some preliminary research showing that it can regenerate elastin which was thought to be impossible.
>>18783920Just search for minoxidil aging, many people have anecdotally experienced it even if the research isn't there (let's be real, research funded by pharma companies will never look into this)
>>18783927Give it a rest.
>>18783829oooff it's over would not fugg lmaooo
MinoxiKill: The Moonscalp Chronicles In the flourescence of space, there's nowhere to finasterhide
>>18783937darkened eye circles from min is absolutely a side effect and does make you look older
>>18783972ageing sucks donquie balls>look like a zombie with a few extra fluffy baby hairs in your hairline or>go bald entirely
>>18783972I would like to see some before and after pictures of the people making these claims. Please stop schizoposting as random anons using these meds, you've never touched them in your life.
>>18783927My anecdotal five cents: I quickly got a shitton more moles in my face area after I started minoxidil Dunno about wrinkles but I just refuse to believe I suddenly got so many moles over the span of 2 years as a coincidence I sometimes feel it does make my skin look "rougher" but since I can't say why I will attribute this specifically to nocebo or whatever Can't say anything about eyerings, I always had massive eyerings kek
>>18783979that's odd. correlation isn't always causation but certainly can be. I am considering getting on something before the process starts (I'm olde as fuck so thinning is sort of starting but most people tell me they can't tell, but I can) but I want to weight all the risks and side effects before I start a regimen of anything. either way I know I should start something because I'll be utterly heartbroken if I start balding because I love my hairs
>>18783976>>18783972I noticed a little bit of dark circles, its not that noticeable for me, never have any issues getting or maintaining erections, never had any depression or suicidal thoughts and im on 0.5 mg of dut and 2.5 mg of oral minoxadil.didnt notice any facial aging too, i still shock people when I tell them im 34 and they ask me for ID to buy anything any 18 or 19 year old can buy I noticed the minoxidil in particular made my already dark and long thick eyelashes even more thicker/darker/ longer as well as my eyebrows, my overall hair health was totally worth it.I was never worried about sperm count or effects to reproduction as I already have 2 Daughters and a son, had them at 23, 25 & 27, did not start taking minoxidil topical at 30 because of noticeable crown thinning and miniaturizing, my hairline was fine although i have a high forehead and rely on the fringe to harmonize my lower 3rd. since 32 i got on oral because topical minoxidil did not have any noticeable effect (lack of sulphuric transference enzymatic activity in scalp) I did a full year of 2.5 mg minoxidil after the year, I tried Finasteride as a topical, did not like the smell, the greasy hair appearance (my hair was greasy usually) so I tried 1/2 a pill of Finasteride every other day, I noticed a good change and no side effects after a year i switched to 0.5 mg of Dutasteride and its been 8 months and ive noticed a huge change, you will go through a few shedding phases, it actually is the medication working I feel bad for you guys who go bald young, I was already a father of 3 and over 30 when i decided to act on it. I do know there is a guy who made Minoxidil sulphate as a topical compound, also make sure you look into seborrheic dermatitis and the shampoos that help that, it reduced the redness and accelerated my recover, I use 3 different shampoos for this and alternate
Is oral min actually dangerous for your heart? I’m considering topical min on top of oral fin but I also don’t want to kill my cat or dog.
>>18784154Not at hair loss dosages (typically 2.5 - 5mg). It can affect your heart rate and blood pressure if you start off too strong but it's far from dangerous. These are tiny doses compared to what is taken to treat high blood pressure. If you were exceeding 50mg it might pose a problem over time.
>>18784160Not saying to go anywhere near 50mg as you will undoubtably experience negative side effects though not necessarily life threatening.
its funny how people say to trust the science over anecdotes, meanwhile all clinical studies dont show any shedding whatsoever yet you hear a lot of shed stories from taking meds.
>>18784460for fin and dut rather
>>18784460Metrics like hair count and hair thickness don't care about hair length which factors much more into your overall appearance. So even if a subject is recovering from a shed, and a hair has begun growing and only grown 1/4 of an inch, it will show up as a gain on the study.
>>18780016I had no idea this thread existed. I took oral finasteride 1mg every other day for about two years and had sides>no nocturnal/morning erections>testicle pain>low libido >poor erectionsI switched over to topical fin and min and the sides mostly went away. I've been using that for about two years, 0.5ml a day. I still thing it has an effect, my nocturnal erections came back but I morning ones are mixed, often I don't really have morning wood. Erections and libido vary, hard to say if it's getting older or the fin. In terms of hair I seem to have maintained but I'm an idiot and didn't take any photos so it's hard to say. I've had people comment that I have a good head of hair for 33 though, but hair genes don't run in my family.Feel free to ask any questions, there's fuck all info online about people switching from oral to topical, beyond 'Hey guys it's my first day on topical!', no long term stuff.
>>18784589Did you try lowering the dosage of oral fin before switching to topical? I recently started 1mg daily again after being off for three years and sure enough my semen got thinner and orgasms not quite as strong
>>18784598I tried twice a week iirc. I forgot to mention I started to feel incredibly depressed towards the end, depression like I've never felt before, was a bit scary. I tried nofap, to see if I was just wanking too much and that's what it was, but I reached week 3 without any interest and that made me realise something was wrong so I switch to topical.In hindsight it was obvious it wasn't for me, the first few weeks of fin were fucked. My dick went completely numb and dead and I had bad testicle pain, and then I had a week where my libido was insane, it was like being a teenager again, and then it settled down into being shit. I'd recommend topical but it is expensive and a bit of a faff, I use the liquid rather than spray.
>>18784603Yeah I also feel weird on fin, idk how I did this for two years. I’ll try lowering the dose, maybe going to topical like you said. Sounds like kind of a pain in the ass. Balding sucks lol
>>18784608It's not too bad, but it's more effort than a pill.
>the confidence a hair transplant givesGo ahead, bald bros. You have nothing to lose.
>>18784589>>18784598>>18784603>>18784608>>18784610
>>18784613Some people are definitely more sensitive to fin. I can’t imagine the watery semen into existence
>>18784613Oh look it's the 'nocebo' brigade.
>>18784612Are hair transplants supposed to give your scalp the appearance of diffuse thinning? Because that's literally what it looks like now..
>>18784622You will never have your original density back because you only have 10K grafts for an area that typically has over a hundred thousand hairs. Which is why the surgeon’s placement of those limited grafts matters so much.
>>18784618>>18784621Ok post a SS of this>>18784613
you don’t have hairbuahahahahlemme guess you need glasses to see too don’t you? bahahaha >be me>be homeless>have hair >therefore am more /fa/
>>18784612clearly a different species
>>18784641You’re handsome and hairful. So you’ve gotta be mentally ill or a junkie to end up homeless.
>>18784612>You have nothing to lose.Lolno>MoneyObviously the least damaging one>Donor areaThe more grafts you'll transplant the more obvious it'll be. The trained eye can see that you had a transplant with any amount of donors, but at 3000+ grafts normies will also notice the back of your head looks "weird" if you keep your hair short or decide to go bald after all. Past a certain point you'll literally have to hold onto your hair no matter what because the donor area looks so plucked. Short haircuts and bald will be no-gos.>time and nervesA failed or botched hair transplant will make you even more depressed, then you'll have to repeat the whole process again and with weaker results >irreversible botching There are some rare cases where the hair clinic or much more likely hair mill fucks up so badly, your hair transplant looks like absolute shit AND you can't get another one due to overharvesting. Then all you're left with is to cope with shitty looking doll hair because you can't go bald or buzzcut, see above. Also the back of your head will look retarded. This one is mostly avoidable with a good surgeon.>irreversible damage (necrosis)The absolute worst case scenario, if you somehow manage to catch a bad infection (and yes, this can also happen with skilled surgeons albeit much lower risk), you'll get a literal hole in your headMost of these are avoidable by doing your research and picking a skilled surgeon, but it's definitely not a risk free operation you should just do for funsies
>>18784651gang stalking victim
>>18783446>>18783445it's true. trannies know this. i know this, i've noticed my ribcage, hands and wrist bones get bigger and wider in the last 2 years or so. (25, not a tranny).
>rub minoxidil into scalp>10 hairs in hand >take a shower>cant stop swallowing hairs >sit on couch in black tshirt on zoom call>hairs literally falling onto tshirt visible to me I can't handle it anymore bros. 1mg fin and switch to oral min? I hate feeling disgusting with this wet thinning hair look half of the day too, been taking mine for two years now
>>18784947Nevermind, apparently you can't even get an oral min prescription in my country. I guess I'm just fucked, brb gonna kms
>>18784947Have you just started taking min?
>>18784947>>18784952Sorry didn't read, you can get sheds after starting, but min won't stop you losing hair, only find will do that.
>>18784947Read second post.
>>18784955mario if he real
>>18784955Which second post?>>18784954Yes I know it doesn't hence my thoughts on starting fin. Honestly I feel likening might be too late; my hairline is feeling suuuper thin lately and from what I've read fin doesn't work that good on the hairline anyway. So most likely I'll just slow it down and at this point I might just kms
>>18784959>and from what I've read fin doesn't work that good on the hairline anyway. It works for all scalp hair. It's just harder to bring the hairline BACK after it's gone, even with min or upgrading to dut.
>>18784959The part2 of the OP (second post in the thread) tells you about taking topical min orally. No script required.
>>18784960>It works for all scalp hairYes but not equally. Hair follicles in the crown region tend to express higher concentrations of androgen receptors and 5-alpha-reductase (Type II) enzyme activity compared to the front. So it LITERALLY works better on the crown area.
>>18784965Ah gotcha. But how do I explain it to friends etc.?Nobody bats an eye when you take 2 no name pills in the morning, I feel like it'd be incredibly cringe if I pulled out minox and started it dripfeeding into my mouth. Also, how do I switch from topical to oral with minimal risk?Not that it matters too much, my hair is horrific anyway
>>18784154I've been drinking the topical minoxidil for about a month now, raised the dose gradually from 2.5 mg to 10 mg, and no side effects yet. Tastes like shit.
>>18784970>how do I explain it to friends etc.?nobody cares? if they do care why do you care that they care, its your fuggin hair. Besides that, I feel like putting some drops of min into a small glass of water and drinking it is a whole lot less awkward than having a wet balding head for hours every day.>Also, how do I switch from topical to oral with minimal risk?Work your way up from 1 drop in glass per day to 4 drops in glass per day over a week just to be safe.
>>18784971Nigga you are going to kill yourself stop doing that
>>18785004Eh 10mg is on the high end of a therapeutic dose but not dangerous. For sure diminishing returns though.
They came in the mail today. See if I can expand my patch of hair.
>>18785039Nice. If you experience side effects, if they're related to libido, it's probably the Dutasteride giving you issues, and if it's heart palpitations, then it would be the Minoxidil. Try to finish a whole course before quitting, in many cases sides resolve on their own as your body acclimates to drug exposure.
>>18785004ive been doing 12mg for years and I'm fine
>>18785039You would be surprised at what is possible.
>>18785076There was an anon a few threads back who was getting results like this in a few months starting from the same norwood. Too bad once they recover they stop updating and never post again.
>>18785079>Too bad once they recover they stop updating and never post again.Well yeah, why would you stay in balding forum cesspits once you pass as a non-balding man in society.
>>18784641best /fa/ poster
>>18785076>went from severely balding to obviously baldingGreat success!!! KekAlso this doesn't seem like genetic alopecia tbqh, the pattern is weird as fuck
>>18785093>went from severely balding to obviously baldingHe reversed several norwoods in the span of a year from a 5. A routine transplant would now completely restore his hair.>Also this doesn't seem like genetic alopecia tbqh, the pattern is weird as fuckYou have no idea what you're talking about.
>>18784612how did he make it look so good at month 2 and 3, every pic I see online is a bald red head with like five hairs growing out
I have been on fin and min for over a yearMy hair is definitely thicker, but my hairline hasn't recovered much and I still have a sparse patch on my crownI really do not appear to have much hair loss without inspectionWill I regret quitting medication and just wearing a hair system?Also I'm dead broke and want to donate plasma but you can't do it on fin
>>18785107Save for a transplant if you're not satisfied, in the meantime you can keep your current hair indefinitely until you've saved $3k.
>>18785107Balding is so freakishly horrific It’s on the level of body horror except you have to continue living with a disfigured horseshoe of hair in place of your thick teenage locks
hair hair hair is the most important thing in the world what do you mean europe is being invaded and destroyed in real time what does it have to do with my hair only hair matters norwood norwood baldcel cope blackpill it's over
>>18785107Fin won't restore your hairline unless the hair on it was nearly dead but not quite. It won't restore shiny bald patches. Crowns normally respond well to fin, maybe you should introduce min too.
Not bald but hair growth related.I’m 34, have no problem growing facial hair generally but the hair on my cheeks is thin, but are mostly hairless. I’m trying to style a full beard and it’s impossible without full cheeks. Will supplements help this? Do I need to do something more targeted?Feel free to ignore I know it’s not what this thread is for
>>18785157You could try min, people have had good results with it
>norwood numbers!This is stupid and made up.
>>18785206I think you might be projecting
>>18785146>unless the hair on it was nearly dead but not quiteHow do you determine which one is the case? Also unrelated question: do you guys have itching as a precursor to balding? I feel like get intense itching exactly where my hair is balding on the hairline. Which is why I get scared shitless when the back or top of my head starts itching, where I'm not balding (yet)
>My friend just told me that I’ve progressed from norwood 2 to norwood 3 or maybe even norwood 4. At age 22....FUUUUCK
>>18785267>do you guys have itching as a precursor to balding?I personally didn't but it's a well known phenomenon. The DHT itch, it's a physical reaction to your follicles dying.
>>18785270Fugg But supposedly there is no direct scientific proof that dihydrotestosterone (DHT) itself triggers nerve receptors to cause an itch. So it makes things even more confusing
>>18785273Your hair follicles are being strangled and shrinking in diameter in real time.
>>18780148why not add cum to the list while youre at it
>>18780048he looks good with a buzz cut or a shaved head, i would be content with that if i was him.can just wear wigs at movies, nobody gives a shit if its real or not.
>>18780019>>18780016whats the best thing for sebo ? except keto shampoo. the shampoo dries my scalp which also damages my hair.nobody in my family is bald, nor am i, but i do have sebo.
>>18785290See>>18780021On the right is how he would look once that hairline finally goes. He's incredibly lucky it hasn't been affected but no reason to expect it not to in the future. His face is too kind looking to lean into the statham, willis, rock niche.
Does balding make anyone else suicidal? I hate every living moment of seeing myself in the mirror and realizing I'm walking around with a Norwood 4 now thinning I hate myself for living with this sanity destroying illness for almost 10 years, and doing nothing about it for 8 years despite knowing about fin/min I only started min 2 years ago and am only thinking about starting fin now, and in the past year the thinning has got so bad I barely feel my hairline if I run my fingers through it I think it's unironically too late and I should just kill myself
>>18785316get on fin and then you can get a transplant. maybe you can try microneedling to get a lower hairline at the bald areas instead of a transplant but idk ive never tried microneedling and hear mixed opinions on it.
>>18785267>How do you determine which one is the case?Miniaturised hair, small hairs that never grow to full size and are light in colour>do you guys have itching as a precursor to baldingI had a light burning sensation, especially on my crown.
>>18785317That is my current final plan for salvation, getting on fin after I get blood test results and then hair transplant next autumn. I honestly don't know what will happen if I get limp dick, fin doesn't work, or the hair transplant will be botched. Because then even any imaginary sort of hope will be lost for me.
>>18785318>Miniaturised hair, small hairs that never grow to full size and are light in colourHow miniaturised are we talking here? Because I have some super fine hairs even on my forehead
>>18785320I think what you're referring to might be different kinds of hair, I think the basic idea is that if the follicle is dead, it's dead and not coming back, but if the hair is dying but not dead yet then fin can save it.
>>18785292Are you actually using keto shampoo correctly?I only leave it on the scalp for a few minutes then unfuck the drying effect with conditioner
>>18785322But that was basically my question. How do I know if it's miniaturized or "other" mini hair And at which point of miniaturization is it too late
wig or genetics?
>>18785292a shampoo made for babies for regular use and a dedicated anti grease shampoo when you feel the sebum hasn't been washed properly
>>18785316wear a hat lil nigga
>>18785316You have to get thicker skin dude. Being an insecure pussy about balding is more unattractive than balding itself. Work on yourself in other ways.
>>18780021I'm somewhere between NW 2 and 3 and thinking of getting a hair transplant to fill in the templesProblem is how the fuck do you hide that from people that know youIf you disappear for a month and come back with a buzzcut and magically have a better hairline everyone will know lol
>>18785560You should go and talk to the transplant people, this is the biggest question they deal with every day. They'll be able to tell you all about how the process works for their clients.My guess is the best way to ease through it is get a buzzcut and maintain that for a couple months or more, and then take a couple weeks off work for the procedure and to heal.Not sure though, but it's imperative to their business to make this as attractive as possible for their clients, they'll know the best options
>>18785560>Problem is how the fuck do you hide that from people that know youYou don't Unless you avoid any and all contact from people you know for ~3-4 months but I don't recommend that. And I think people you know will be less judge than coworkers etc anyway, and you won't be able to avoid work.The realistic answer is to just own it, people have goldfish memory anyway and in 6months they'll be amazed at the result and not even think about "oh lol he got a hair transplant" but about "damn, that hair transplant looks good"The whole topic has become much more normalized anyway, so you won't have any social consequences from just owning it. Hell, celebs and politicians admit to it and not just that, some admit to taking meds like fin
>>18785413gebnetics. senssnce alopecia would've raped it by now. he's also half jew so rpobably enough of laventine in him to skip the shitty white hair genetics.
>>18785083I started thinning in the crown and receding at temples in my late 20s, and treated with minoxidil and then fin/dut. Nearly 15 years later and I've held on to all my hair, zero thinning at all in crown and only lost my temples a bit to a NW2. I still come here to give advice and ensure people stop coping and just take the meds. They work. (It's also funny seeing paranoid PFS schizophrenia).
>>18781371yikes
>>18785316>I hate myself for living with this sanity destroying illness for almost 10 years, and doing nothing about it for 8 years despite knowing about fin/minwhat a fucking retarded. don't be this dude. how can you fags be so scared of some pills?
>>18785413Kojima is definitely wearing a wig. The shit shifts in photos. Japs get away with wigs more because of black hair and cheap real human black hair wigs from India.
>>18785688I don't think so. He has some photos with an exposed hairline.
>>18785848nah he's definitely wig maxxed. It's even obvious in that photo there.
>>18785688I think he's just too old to be dying it combined with the combover making it look uncanny. If anything I would bet he's either a) heavily receded at the temples or b) covering up a bad transplant.
>>18785688Wtf is all that photoshop on top too. I think it looks weird because they tried giving it volume in a really bad way. Imagine being that vain when he is 68 years old or whatever.>>18785889God he looks like shit. Crazy how he is getting all these fashion collabs lately just off his name selling the merch to la creativdad worshipping Reddit nerds? What a world.
>>18780262Lmao
>>18780159You look good dude I hate women.
>>18785560Why you care? LolJust do it if it bothers you.I'm on the verge of doing it, already did my buzz cut to see how I look as a baldie.It's not bad but not great, I'm still getting used to being bald.
Just did my blood test, all of my values are painfully average. Total test, estrogen, DHT, etc.Literally exactly in the perfect middle of all provided lab ranges Only my SHBG is on the higher end which leads to a lower free androgen index. But both still within the normal range. So what now? I thought this would give me psychologically more ease of mind since if my DHT was too high hopping on fin would be a no brainerBut now I'm just as unsure as before the test. I know this is just a baseline but idk
>>18780016hey op2ish months into vyvanse, considerable hair loss, despite taking fin dailyall of my blood results were fine, except for vitamin D which was awfully low (16 nmol/L) - though i doubt it’s the vitamin D that’s doing thisi’m completely out of answers. i doubt any of this will grow back. what an awful mistake it was to take this vyvanse
Every year there should be a lottery held Hunger Games-style and 100 random bald men are captured and dumped on an island and forced to fight to the death with only 1 winner allowed. It can be live streamed online and called The Battle of the Baldies
>>18786214You don't need to have high levels of DHT to go bald. The most important factor is the sensitivity to it at the follicle.>>18786216Vitamin D is very important for hair growth. Unless you have physically disfigured your scalp and destroyed the follicle then it will grow back (for non hormonal hair loss), hair cycles are just painfully slow, more so with a vit d deficiency.
>>18786214Dude your hormones being normal has no relavancy to your AGA. DHT is raping your hair follicles due to your GENETIC expression of AGA; having average hormone levels does not matter, you will norwood all the same. It's good that your estrogen is normal because those with fucked up T to E ratios in the first place tend to get sides from fin. So get on fin now.
>>18786220i fucking wish i had a vitamin D test before i started vyvanse. could the vyvanse have nuked my vitamin D thus causing the hair loss?and, so you’re saying that if my dht is low/nuked then all of this vyvanse hair loss will just come back as normal?
>>18786224>could the vyvanse have nuked my vitamin D thus causing the hair lossYou are severely deficient in vitamin D combined with vyvanse acting as a vasoconstrictor likely contributed directly to your acute telogen effluvium as your follicles are already weakened and susceptible. My advice would be to definitely adjust your lifestyle to improve vitamin D intake as well as supplementation asap. Once you get it under control you could try working your way back onto the vyvanse under a doctor's supervision.>and, so you’re saying that if my dht is low/nuked then all of this vyvanse hair loss will just come back as normalYes
>>18786226And by severe I mean you will get chronically ill if you do not fix it
>>18786220>>18786221Guys I know you don't only go bald if you have high levels of dht and it's sensitivity to dht that's important. That's why I said "I know this is just a baseline"I just thought having extraordinarily high dht or something like that would give me more reassurance to start fin, since nuking it would presumably lead to fewer side effects. DHT is still an important hormone after all, mainly for penile stuff and sperm. I know testosterone can supposedly replace some of that work, but it's less than ideal
>>18786266Give it a rest
>>18786266Male pattern baldness can happen on everyone even women because how the hair in that region is generated.The sensitivity to dht in that region is what changes from person to person.Women have almost none dht and still can go bald because of it.Hope it clears now.
>>18786303Obviously it's also about the sensitivity, but it's not all about sensitivity.If it was, finasteride as a medication wouldn't make sense since it works by reducing DHT (not removing it)
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>>18785688>>18785889Kojima gives of vibes of someone who hates bald men, there are almost no white bald men in his game, basically every character and actor he works with has perfect head of hair
>>18787081Kojimas Japanese, the Japanese care a lot about beauty and aesthetics, and a major part of their identity, is their hair, hence why in every piece of Japanese media the characters have a unique or fashionable hair style.
