I want to build a backyard shed that insulated from outside noises such as planes, traffic, dogs, mowers etc>Stagger stud method >(2x6 plates , 2x4 stud staggered so insulation weaves between)>Rockwool or Sheepwool> Top quality window and door>insulated latch to cover door or window>double layer of drywallIt HAS to at be pretty good and blocking all those sounds right? I am going to be pissed if I build it and still hear a damn lawnmowerIt seems impossible to find someone nearby that has built one like this to go and "test it out" I suppose I could at least find someone with a rockwool 2x6 house and decent windows, and see how loud a lawnmower soundsHoping one of you guys have some input or experience
>>3009668Stack up some straw bales around the exterior of your shed and tie them together with bale ties and wire.
>>3009668>I am going to be pissed if I build it and still hear a damn lawnmowerYou're going to be pissed.Soundproofing is not easy.Try building your shed with 1 foot thick concrete walls, slab and roof. Maybe that will block all the sound
>>3009668don't bother moving out. Every time I do, it's always something >dogs>construction sounds>ATVsIt's inescapable
With high density drywall that'll be more than enough that your door and windows and ventilation will be the weak point, but it probably won't be as good as you imagine.You're better off sorting out your brain problems that make noise intolerable for you than trying to engineer the noise away.
>>3009676>You're better off sorting out your brain problems that make noise intolerable for you than trying to engineer the noise away.Yeah , this is the hard part though. The suffereing does come and go, It might be related to neck and shoulder pain, but I am not sure and looking for professional help is real difficult for obvious reasons.
I also forgot to mention . I am currently living in an RV which is about as insulated as a vehicle which is shit. So I figure at least the sound proof shed will block some droning traffic out and at least I will have peace at night.
A couple of years ago I got to visit one of the contenders for "quietest room in the world".The engineering of that room was wild and the lengths they went to to reduce sound transmission are no joke.If you want near-total silence, I hope you have lots of money.Sound travels through anything that will vibrate -- and that's everything -- so you need to dampen it at every possible avenue.
>>3009668Build another shed within the first shed
>>3009686>If you want near-total silence, I hope you have lots of money.Yeah i think I need to realize I will probably still hear a bit of lawnmower, dirt bike faggots, jet planes . But I think it will be a big upgrade to my gayass hardly any insulation camperAlso to mention it will hold heat better than my gayass camper I froze in last winter>>3009687build a shed in a shedYeah so this is an idea for the badass decoupling it would give but $$$>>3009671straw balesYeah I bet this insualates good , i wonder if it can be treated so its not MICE villemaybe dirt walls would be better>>30096741 foot thick concreteI was thinking of doing some sort on concrete in ground basement thing with a badass wood and thick insualtion roof,,, but i wonder how to be sure it willnt get moist etc>>3009675Yeah it sucks
>>3009686>The engineering of that room was wild and the lengths they went to to reduce sound transmission are no joke.Concrete box in a concrete box, on rubber and springs, with a couple steel door.Anyone can do it.
What about a room in your house lined with acoustic tiles instead of a shed on your yard unless you're looking just to upgrade your cuck shed.
>>3009787acoustic tiles aren't actually good for soundproofing, they just limit the bouncing within the room so the echo doesn't interfere with the recording.use some heavy, dense but somewhat elastic material like rubber matting inside your walls instead to reduce the sound transmission.
empty egg boxes they sometimes use, but on the outside? of course protected from the elements. dunno. here we have sound proof glass and brickthermal insulation should also do quite a bit. for good or bad, idk
>>3009697Sure you can trivialize anything when you abstract it enough. Actually doing these things is quite difficult and expensive. If "anyone can do it", we'd be seeing a lot more of them.Oh you want to get to the moon? lol just build a steel tube with a furnace at the back what could be hard about that
>>3009676>You're better off sorting out your brain problems that make noise intolerableThat's not problem, it's feature, nta but this kind of attitude 'just get used to annoying and irritating noise' is retarded af
>>3009791What if they were pointed outwards?
>>3009839This
>>3009668>(2x6 plates , 2x4 stud staggered so insulation weaves between)This isn't as good as two 2x4 walls separated by ~1.5-2" air gap>>3009684I used to live in an RV lke OP and actually have built a soundproof room in my workshopexterior I used 2 layers of 3/4" plywood, overlapping seams, all seams caulkedinterior I used 2 layers of 5/8" drywall, green glue, seams caulked.two separated walls, not staggered studs on a shared play. both walls rockwool insulated. i used thin slats of wood to make sure the rockwool wouldn't slump out of the stud cavities.cieling was double walled too and insulated the same way, and was not touching the exterior cieling. so it was completely a room-within-a-room, except for the concrete floor.I didn't put a window in because it seemed too risky for sound to get in.doors are made just like the interior and exterior walls: just a secton of "wall" on hinges, with rockwool batting, weather stripping to seal the gap.This was built on a concrete pad which was already under the existing workshop.The room is 150 feet from a 4-lane street that is very busy in the daytime. Traffic is almost completely inaudible except for heavy trucks and motorcycles which are very quiet, quieter than a white noise fan in the room. A loud cheap air compressor just outside the double-door sounds much, much quieter inside the room. You probably won't be able to hear a neighbour's lawnmower unless it's right outside your room. If your dad is mowing the lawn (I'm assuming this is your living situation since it's a shed, sorry if I've offended) you're still going to hear it, but very very quietly. It's a hundred times better than inside the RV, which is right next to the workshop room.Cost me a few grand but I didn't want to leave anything to chance. It's nearly perfect for someone who has an aversion shitty irritating noises. Any better and you'll need 1ft thick concrete walls.
>>3009903> not staggered studs on a shared playMeant to say 'shared plate'
>>3009903>just a secton of "wall" on hinges, with rockwool batting, weather stripping to seal the gap.Can you explain where exactly the weather stripping is ? inside? outside? both?So is it just your relax chill room? or full bedroom? does the lack of ventilation both you ?Thanks for sharing your room plans and experiences and feedbackIt is also likely I build this thing on a trailer (omg tinyhome!!!) so I can move it if need be or sell it easier etc Which I imagine the double wall would be harder to build as a tiny home rather than the stagger stud and take up more floorspace etc.>>3009893What if they point outwardsThey are more for absorbing bouncing noises from inside of tin can type rooms etc
Hearing protection used at the airport. Add foam ear plugs for added noise cancellation.https://www.honeywellstore.com/store/images/products/large_images/1035104-vs.jpg
Put a shed inside the shed. Or a shed over the shed. It might also help to have the window and door face away from sound sources.
build a garage and park your RV in it?
>>3009668Hey op I just went through this. I'll list the best way first:Separate party wall built in front of outside, insulation, use sonopan, resilient channel, and double drywall (1/2"+5/8") while acoustisealing everything. If you wanna skimp on costs, you can skip the separate wall and just use insulation, sonopan, res channel, and double drywall. I recommend doing the ceiling too
>>3011107What kind of insulation did you use?Rockwool or sheepwool or denim must be better than fiberglass???Did you also have windows or doors? Were they the "leakpoints"?Any input on what sounds you still slightly hear?
>>3011341I used pink stuff, was so much cheaper and wall cavity insulation barely makes a difference in a complete assemblyNo doors or windows, only receptacles. Use fire putty pads on the receptaclesI no longer hear my tenants talking, can baaaarely make them out if they slam something which is perfect.I recommend reading the sonopan website and picking an assembly
>>3009668I'm doing a van build and have been doing research on insulation. Here's a greta video I found (chick is hot as fuck too)https://youtu.be/s0xVgUA2IOUBasically nothing compares to closed cell foam insulation, but it off-gasses which can be harmful to breathe. The healthiest and most effective option is sheep's wool. Rockwool is overrated, it can have adverse health effects if breathen (brothe?). Basically we're probably going to find out a lot of this shit is worse than asbestos later on. But certain sheep's wool gives a great rating and is a natural insulator.I'm going with foam board because I need the extra structural support, but it doesn't do much for sound. Different purpose than what you're seeking, there's always trade offs. If you wanted the most sound deadening, go with foam, do it properly at the right temperature, and let it air out for a long time. You can also do multiple layers of different types of insulation.
>>3009684>living in an RV which is about as insulated as a vehicleSounds like RV sellers are scammers that sell pieces of shit. This is why everyone intending to actually live in it beyond just weekend camping trips builds their own vans or box truck conversions. That way you can choose your own insulation and floor layout.I will say, any windows are gonna negate all the insulation and sound proofing you do. Sound will just travel through the thin, likely not well sealed RV window. So making window plugs is a must. Even just a layer of Thinsulate makes a big difference there.
>>3011345Nice. Yeah I have heard that fiberglass and rock wool offer almost the same sound rating once assembled into a stud wall. But someone mentioned the rockwool insulates better from lower bass noises which makes it seek their sound (STC) rating might be faulty? Yeah thanks I am going to look more into Sonopan>>3011378>foam is bestAre there any studies that prove closed cell foam truly does stop off gassing afteer the initial cure?If I can truly believe it to be long term safe, I might pick this instead of the sheep wool>>3011379>rv sellers are pieces of shitYeah I suppose I kinda knew the insulation was shit teir but it sucks that no one I asking about campers told me heating them would suck and also the noise insulation would suck but then again most people I talk to dont go into depth enough about sharing details and good facts about anything in this world without directly asking them.Like all the mechanics I was asking about welding my exhaust to patch a hole. None of them mentioned for me to inspect the whole exhaust system to see if another spot would just rust out soon after patching the one hole. So it would be worth inspecting to decide if its worth replacing the whole system instead of patching it just for another spot to failSure if I thought about it more I could come to that realization but I assumed when mentioning my problem to a professional mechanic they would mention the best or other options etc
>>3009929Alright for the two doors (inside door and outside door) I only put weather stripping on the outside door facing in. The weather stripping didn't brush against the floor, the weather stripping was on the inside face of the door running around the perimeter. When you closed the door, the weather stripping sealed against four 1.5" wood sections that were glued to the door frame and floor - top bottom left right.I didn't want to take ANY chances after spending however as much money as I did on this.Initially it was a chill room / spare bedroom / planning for the future in case we get shitty neighbours who party too loud. I have kids now so it's a storage room.It was plenty big enough, maybe 8x14ft indoor floor space, so ventilation wasn't a concern and it didn't get musty or stinky. But I did leave the door open every day at least for a bit to air out.Google minimum room volume for safe oxygen levels. An airtight soundproof bedroom in a trailer (for example: 7'x7'x6.5') probably will suffocate you, do NOT do this without ventilation!!Putting all this shit in a trailer will make the bedroom hundreds of lbs heavier, just be aware of that when moving.
>>3011413>Google minimum room volume for safe oxygen levels. An airtight soundproof bedroom in a trailer (for example: 7'x7'x6.5') probably will suffocate you, do NOT do this without ventilation!!Yeah So i am wondering whats the most sound proof way to allow air in and out.It will suck if I still have to keep the window sealed tight for it to be soundproof while i sleepI am thinking if i put TWO 4 inch PVC pipes as intake and exhaust for fresh and oil air, and have fans that will force air in or out. And then have them run enough elbows and length that they will still hold a tight seal on the walls, and also prevent noise from running thru them etc.I suppose If i have to I can sleep with the window cracked.When I first started cold weather vanlife camping there was a couple real cold night I had no windows cracked and wondered if I would suffocate
