We are never leaving the animation age ghetto
>>156050689This whole thing looks like shit. Can you blame the parents?
Same as it ever was.
>>156050689God, I hate American parents This is a pg-13 movie
>>156050689Uppity parents who don't know their kids are seeing worse online. A dad in my showing brought his 2 kinder garden aged kids and they weren't at all fussy.
>>156050781>wins the oscars
>>156050819Still bombed.
>my stupid children didn't like ittale as old as time
How long do you think people will continue like this? Younger people have grown up watching anime and cartoons and playing video games. I have a feeling that future generations will be more open to adult animation, no matter where it comes from.
>>156051034It's always been like this and the people making a stink are always the obnoxious pearl-clutching karens who make up a very vocal but very small minority.
>>156050689>>156051049A lot of people don't get that the attitude of "animation is exclusively for kids" only started because of American TV networks broadcasting old cartoons that were only previously seen in movie theaters. Because these cartoons weren't overly violent or sexual, parents were permissive of it and deemed it "for kids", which then became the standard for original animated programming on TV networks.Even if the original cartoons were more adult in tone and subject matter, they would have faced heavy censorship on TV for the same reason ALL media faced heavy censorship (the CCA, the Hayes Code, the FCC, etc), and it comes down to parents preferring to use mass media as a substitute parent so they don't actually have to watch over their children. Children still end up misbehaving: not because of what they consume, but because they're being fucking neglected across the board. The parents will never take responsibility and always point to art as the culprit, even though it has been debunked over and over again that mediums do not cause anti-social behavior.
>>156051034It's already in the process of going away because of smartphone access and demographic changes. >The average American family is Hispanic and it's been well-documented that Hispanic parents do not behave the same way as White ones do. Hispanic parents have no problem with their children being exposed to adult programming (violence, sexuality), and they frequently will give them their own TV or phones and just...not care at all as to what their child might end up seeing.Even among white families, things are changing. Even elementary school kids KNOW what anime is and watch it. Whether brown or white, parents are too busy working to care about what their children watch (and in some cases will LITERALLY give them phones/tablets so they don't have to even talk to them).
>>156050689what are the "disturbing images" in question?
American animated movies are not meant to be art, they're daycare for parents who want their life to shut up for two hours
>>156050689This movie seems like wokeslop so good parenting on their part
>>156051229I work at a school and the prevailing attitude among parents these days is: >keep their kids inside the house 24/7 because "w-what if they get trafficked or molested?!">shove a phone/computer/tablet into their hands of their kids because "I don't wanna talk to you/I'm tired from work">let the kid watch whatever they want because "my parents were too strict! so I'll let you do whatever" or "I'm too anxious to sit down with my kid or keep an eye on what they watch"
>>156051283Grim
>>156050689They did this with buddy too apparently, so who even cares. Soon these types will die off. Also ironically then they'll let their kids watch shit like euphoria, love island or Monster etc. I see that so often they'll let their kids watch wild stuff with them but then god forbid a kids movie has a single death or injury scene.
>>156050689Has it ever occurred to you that claymation is an inferior form of animation? More effort for less profit.
>>156051405It's a good thing that LAIKA isn't claymation then.
>>156050689>studio fails to appeal to families well>blame familiesYou would have more studios and ones that don’t require Nike funding if you just accepted that flaws are flaws
>>156051350It's really troubling on so many different levels. American society can't really just let kids roam around freely in the way that Asia or Europe or South America can because of how atomized community is down to the core thanks to infrastructure being built around cars and "how far can we get away from black/poor people".Children cannot run around and freely play because a car will either run them over or creepy people MIGHT abduct/molest them (even though children are more likely to be harmed by their own families but whatever). Even if a community manages to find places for children and young people to socialize in, these spaces are often public and close early (schools, libraries, parks, churches, etc) or private and prone to enshittification (malls, supercenter stores, bookstores, gyms, coffee shops) and gradually ensuring that people DON'T socialize.Stranger Danger (running off of the Satanic Panic and MKULTRA serial killers), 9/11 and its consequences, and the death of the economy has resulted in children being stuck at home forever. There is nowhere else to go.
>>156050689This is PG13 right? I did kinda think most of the marketing was kid targeted. We had that first dark trailer with the naked kid, but I only saw that one once.Then every other trailer or promo after focused more on the talking animals and made it look like a Narnia movie. I still haven’t seen it, but I’m not at all surprised that parents are taking their kids to it. This isn’t like Buddy where there were more red flags to ignore.
>"What makes those kids so special? It made me cry too!">"Yeah, but they're allowed to leave!">"DOHOHOHOHO"
>>156050689Parents are some of the dumbest motherfuckers alive.
>>156050936Turns out good movies don't always perform well.I don't know if Rango deserves an Oscar, but I liked it well enough, though I didn't watch it until it had been out for years.
>>156051607I can’t even find the old trailer now.
>>156050689Their kids see far worse shit on Youtube kids every time they give them a phone to watch on autoplay.
>>156050689Well, it does begin with a naked child killing themselves, but I would like to imagine it's the liberal parents upsetting them lol
>>156050936Kek! You are really funny! Nice try.
>>156050781>frog character with huge breasts heaving out of her dressMaybe I should finally watch Rango now.
Wildwood is peak animation. Knight's magnum opus.
>>156051123In Japan it's 20 times worse, Shin-Chan is the country's soul saving grace when it comes to TV animation.With features you might get a Ghibli knock off every few years but thats it.>>156051283>They're already going back outside because electronic anything got too expensive and the only games they can afford are board games, practical games and sports.>You need to spend at least $400 dollars just to get a phone that functions, $500 to have a phone that can play games which at that price point you might as well buy a Switch 2 instead, they deem that far too expensive hence why they went back to board games, practical games and sports that don't use electricity.>Not anymore, CPS is cracking down on that shit and Millenniums keep their kids on a leash, Zoomers on the other hand were crap at parenting but with inflation, AI eating up electronic component prices and jacking them up as a result and CPS bitch slapping them to shape up this nightmare ended for the most part.>>156051591They don't roam around freely in Asia, Europe and South America either, it's just with recent trends everyone just went back outside to cut back on obesity, on top of rising electronics pricing due to AI, thats what made kids go outside again.>>156051797Zoomers in a nutshell.>>156051835There is nothing wrong with Game Sack.
>>156052312>There is nothing wrong with Game Sack.I wasn't talking about that.
>>156052394Kids love Game Sack and LGR which have shown M rated games on their channel.Kids of course skip those episodes.
>>156051034younger americans watch shounen they dont go out of their way to watching something like ikokku nikki
>>156052418>Kids love Game Sack and LGR which have shown M rated games on their channel.Ok? I'm talking about things way worse than that. Are you actually Game Sack looking for an excuse to advertise your mediocre channel? Or are you a parasocial leech memeing hoping he'll notice you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3PtN-CmybE
>>156052312>Shin-Chan is the country's soul saving grace when it comes to TV animation.you're a faggot retard boomer have you not watched Chiikawa or Koupen?
>>156051283That sort of matches my mom's kindergarden class. Although more the second point of the parents both having full time jobs and just being too tired to spend time with their kids and for some reason trusting the internet to have produced solutions for parenting. More than half the kids are below average right now because so many of them are screenkids. Shit there's a girl who's arms might be underdeveloped both in coordination and musculature due to her using tablets and phones instead of interacting with the world.
>>156051405Claymation is insanely labor intensive and there aren't a lot of people skilled at it making it even more expensive. It's mostly dead because no one can afford.
>>156052506I'm not Joe Redifer, also while I remember those incidents such as Elsagate and those bootleg Mickey videos they were only watched in India, The Middle East, Africa and South East Asia, not the first world (United States, Canada, Western Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau) who avoided and ignored it.>>156052551I'm only talking about hand drawn frame by frame animation, not stop motion.
>>156051283>>let the kid watch whatever they want because "my parents were too strict! so I'll let you do whatever" or "I'm too anxious to sit down with my kid or keep an eye on what they watch"My parents let me watch whatever, but I remember a lot of kids had parents who were really strict with what they could watch on TV. Ren & Stimpy was a common one. If this is the millennials way of rebellion, by letting their kids be raised by inappropriate brain rot during their formative years, then we are truly fucked as a species.
>>156052754>DUUUUR SHIN CHAN DUUUUUUUUUR SHIN CHAN DUUUUR IM A RETARD DUUUUUURyou are fucking illiterate and do not pay attention to what is being made
>>156052754>not the first worldYou would be very wrong. I've seen 2 year olds at restaraunts or on public transportation watching horrific fetish-fueled AI generated brainrot while their parents completely ignore them and what they're seeing.
>>156052788>Sourced from a mobile gacha game.>Mostly watched by office ladies and stay at home wifes.>The rest of the market is adult men who picked up on it from their wives.>No kids due to laws preventing anyone under 18 from owning a mobile device (except for 15-17 year olds who need a phone for selected reasons such as their distance between home and school) hence why the entire fan base is all adults, hence why you don't hear stories in Japan about kids draining parents bank accounts from a gacha game like you see in the west.>Gets mogged by Mario, Zelda, Animal Crossing, Kirby and especially Pokémon because Kids are allowed to own a Switch (2), on top of Pokémon being the world's current biggest IP right now.
>>156052792Thats because you're in India, America doesn't have that issue because CPS won't allow it.
>>156053067No anon, I'm in the US of A.
>>156053075No, you're not, as if you were they would've been watching LGR instead.
>>156053059>laws preventing anyone under 18 from owning a mobile deviceHaven't I seen 7-year-olds with smart phones in Detective Conan?
>>156053143In your dreams.
>>156050781That movie was rated PG and advertised directly to kids.
>>156052456Based Ikoku Nikki appreciator
>>156053293And nothing in it was inappropriate for kids. Wildwood has stronger violence and faggotry on top of that
>>156050781Do you ever read a review like these and have the feeling like you're maybe a bit better than the person who wrote them?
>>156053059Chiikawa started out as a manga. And that's just the most blatant bullshit here. People absolutely took their kids to see this, after the premiere there was a wave of Japanese parents posting on Twitter that this movie was too dark for their poor babies.I know this is bait, but still.
>>156053404I did not know about the manga but no mother took their kid to see that film, it's just strictly office ladies and stay at home house wives that may or may not took their husbands to see it.There were no tweets about kids being scared from this movie, husbands yes (but for different reasons), but not kids.
>>156052054It's a good time. It has the gay liar reveal scene but overall it's great
>>156050689turns out the kids didnt like the gross looking humans with big eyebags. I would have hated it too as a kid.
Is it actually a bit mature or just gross or some shit?
>>156053541They don't want humans to begin with with.This is what kids want.
>>156053585
>>156053606yeh, and TDTEBU made so much money, right?
>>156053614On streaming and Blu-Ray/DVD.
>>156050689>We are never leaving the animation age ghettoFucking how, we're parent age now
>>156053614it got fucked, so that certainly didn't help it at all. i don't think it even aired anywhere near me but all the theaters had the coyote movie
>>156053610Interesting. Well dumb parents always ignore the age disclaimers and stuff, I think. Though if that's for PG-13 that might be pushing it a bit I suppose.
>>156053181
>>156053654
>>156050689Meanwhile their sons are watching porn, gore and manosphere shit online through unmitigated internet access, with their daughters wanting to kill themselves on the daily because of influencers and online bullying culture. God forbid they see some blood in a highly controlled and dialled down medium with viewership age ratings.
>>156053636the south park movie proved why this was a problem. people still took kids to see it, and then in the first ten minutes you get uncle fucker.
>>156053631>Blacklisting John K from the industry.>Not allowing TMS to have Animaniacs and Tiny Toons again so they can go toe to toe with Sazae-San and Chibi Maruko-Chan when they needed it the most.>Ghibli knock offs being replaced with cheap TV adaptions or cheap as fuck romcoms aimed strictly at the josei market that have even lower budgets then the TV adaptions.
>>156053450ngl i kinda hope one day there's trolling like this about anpanmanpretty sure i saw some bored stay-at-home moms posting anpanman yaoi, that would be perfect for the occasion"children actually don't care about anpanman. it's just bored fujos forcing them to watch the show and buying merch for themselves under the excuse of buying toys for their kids"
>>156053677Parents heavily underestimate the things that their kids are exposed to this day it seems. Maybe it's more that the movie wasn't mindless engagement and they didn't want to sit through that.
>>156053654Cartoons are not supposed to be realistic.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1nD4o3zTfo
>>156053654This feels sick and wrong. Conan should not have a smartphone.
>>156053716He has two, actually.
>>156053709Why would the child characters casually using cell phones be a fantasy element?
>>156053691>>156053691Her daughter was 16 years old mind you.Kids still watch Anpanman, by the millions actually because of streaming apps on smart TVs.This isn't like Demon Slayer where it is nothing but bored fujos and husbando fanatics watching the show and buying merch for themselves because of the Mitsuri Kanroji hot spring insadint where enough soccer moms bitched about it that ufotable and Shueisha had to take out everything that had male appeal in it just to keep it going and it ended up being Yo-Kai Watch all over again, once was huge but is now barely there.>>156053716To be fare the show should've ended by 1999 anyway.>>156053759Legal reasons with in a country.
>>156053708Unfortunately I think you're right, and it will never not blow my mind how out of touch a lot of parents are despite living with their children daily.
>>156053677>>156053708>>156053878That doesn't happen, you're delulu, seek help.
>>156050781When I went to Rango, there was a mom with her little daughter that wanted to see Gnomeo and Juliet again instead a few rows in front of me.
Fuck you, Birchy
>>156053961you're stupid if you think that was what i meant
>>156054015Rango is a fantastic movie, so I hope she got more out of it than Gnomeo and Juliet
>>156054146learned nothing award
>>156050689>pg13>scared to tears by a stop-motion filmWhat sort of sissies are those cunts raising?
>>156050689>brought what sounds like toddlers to pg13 movie>this is the theater's faultWe need to bring shaming parents back. Somewhere along the way, anything bad that happens to children became the fault of literally everyone except the parents. We should reverse this and blame the parents and only the parents for anything bad that happens. Because it's them shirking their responsibility that gives us all sorts of bullshit authoritarian laws that pass in the "think of the children" wrapper. Maybe those shitty parents are happy that the government is stepping in to raise their kids, well then it should do that by putting them in an orphanage, not by ruining media, internet and everything else for everyone.
>>156050689>Americathere is your problem
>>156054338It's 20 times worse in Japan.
>>156054174I learned that rattlesnake jake is cool
My literal only problem with this movie was the pacing. The end
>>156054554Whatever you say, pacemaker.
>>156054693That has never happened.
>>156054693Seems like I never gave Hamtaro a fair shot...
>>156054717He is lying, that has never happened in Hamtaro.
>>156050689When you're a parent in this era your child consumes media in an incredibly tailored and specific way. Everything is age appropriate and specifically selected from a giant online library or content stream. Or it's mostly YouTube slop which is designed to be incredibly attention grabbing but also incredibly inoffensive.The days of renting the kids a movie and hoping it's age appropriate for big sister in her early teens and little brother who's almost 10 are over. Kids don't ask to watch the scary parts of films, just to have their parents cover their eyes at the explicit sex and gore. The days of sneaking downstairs to watch the sci-fi channel at 4am trying to catch something cool are gone. I'm not surprised kids find this film scary, but to complain about it is absurd. Especially when those same parents who grew up watching stuff like this in theatres and on video https://youtu.be/dBZAZ5rrGJcThese kids need a better media diet And parents need to realize that getting scared by a movie isn't the traumatic event they think it is.
>>156054741That has never happened as...>Everything kids watch is age appropriate and specifically selected from a giant online library or content stream.>The stuff they do watch on YouTube is all scripted and informative content like Game Sack, LGR and The 8-Bit Guy, none of it is slop.>The days of renting the kids a movie and hoping it's age appropriate for big sister in her early teens and little brother who's almost 10 are alive and well, it's just though streaming is all.>Kids don't ask to watch scary films, they avoid said films all together.>The days of sneaking downstairs to watch the sci-fi channel at 4am trying to catch something never happened.Kids never found this film scary, but to complain about it is absurd.https://youtu.be/dBZAZ5rrGJc>Kids still have good media diets.>Parents know what they're doing.
>>156053688all of those are relics from the nineties what are you talking about
Soooo will Laika end up getting shitcanned? The last movie people liked from them was Coraline and WildWood is a total flop.
>>156056426Sazae-San existed since 1969.
>>156050689Give me the rundown, I assume it's a big allegory about abusive parents?
>>156051607Wildwood is very much a family-friendly movie (kid protagonist, fairytale adventure, cute baby, and straightforward, expositional dialogue). It being PG-13 doesn't suddenly make it FOR ADULTS like some people seem to believe.
>>156052394>>156052551>>156052788If you encounter a retarded spastic going off about random retro video game channels in an industry thread, its Famicom.
>>156056455Nike's stock plummeted recently so the fate of Travis Knight's rich daddy money fountain is up in the air
>>156051591>MKULTRA serial killersyou forgot leaded gasoline
>>156056683No it did not.
>>156056703No it did not, you're just derailing the thread.
>>156056614The side kid's character arc is finished by him shooting a furry and splattering blood across the main character's face.
>>156050689The reason why this is happening. >>156055363.
>>156050689>"I was at <HORROR MOVIE> and I saw (*rolls dice*) three kids aged (*looks at a clock*) 7, 8, and 10 in the audience!"
>>156051283>shove a phone/computer/tablet into their hands of their kids because "I don't wanna talk to you/I'm tired from work"The last part of that sentence has been a problem for a very, very long time.
Karens are based and I hope they continue to ruin more things for everyone.
>>156050689>non-specific unattributed comment, probably from twitter>time to get madLeave.
>>156056614Oh I believe you, but I’m just not seeing in the marketing much indication that it’s for mature children or that parental discretion is advised. In order to realize it’s PG 13 and that they probably shouldn’t bring little Suzie if she’s scared of blood, a parent would have to actually do a little research. I don’t even remember seeing the rating box in the trailers, the rating is probably something some parents never learned at all until after exiting the theater. I’m just saying, I get why they’d be surprised.
>>156050790That's the thing, Americans associate PG with family by default, even for PG-13. It's why leafs have 14A and the EU and UK have a 15 rating
>>156050689There are few demographics as consistently retarded as parents.
>>156052312>In Japan it's 20 times worseWhat the hell do you even mean by that? Why is it always ''20 times worse'' when you talk shit about Japan?I mean, you can talk shit about Japan, of course, but Japan has clearly had more lenient standards regarding violence and sexual imagery in kids' shows for decades.5-year-olds in Japan watch this on Sunday mornings. Like, what the fuck??
>>156051405>inferior form of animation? More effort for less profit.Good fucking goy.
>>156050689>>156050781I genuinely thought the early 2010s era was going to legitimize animation as an industry and we would have moved beyond bitching karens by now but once again boomers have to ruin everything
>>156057426Shut up cunt, people shouldve started lynching karens after they ruined WWE
>>156054693Canon and everyone claiming otherwise is a liar
I can't blame them. Cold opening with a naked 12 year old killing himself is probably the worst way to open a film.
>>156056614It also doesn't make it for kids either.It's PG13 because that's who it's for, teenagers.
>>156051123This shit infects everyhting. I remember when my Dad walked in on me watching The Boondocks, and he's says "They're allowed to swear in cartoons now?" He was genuinely shocked to hear that shit.
>>156050689>Movie has woke shit in it. >Director had a meltdown about AI. >Animation fans are threatening others for not seeing it. >Movie flops. Gee I dunno, that's the million dollar question for sure.
>>156050689I fucking hate that people will blame the movie rather than the parents. It doesn't even look visually like a kiddie movie, it's obviously targeting YA/teen demo. And even if it did look kiddie, it's your responsibility to research what you take your kids to. All it takes is a 2 minute visit to common sense media.
>>156057607Wait, Americans don't have 14A ratings?
>>156050689>two females on the poster>might be more feminist bsNah.Even if I'm %100 wrong, still nahAlso the plot might be a ripoff of Labyrinth
>>156058667No, the rating are G PG PG-13 R NC17 X/XXX and for a while it went from PG to R until Gremlins and Temple of Doom were too intense for PG.
>>156058295Fuck, I wish we got mid-budget superhero slop like this in the west. Closest we ever got was the cw flash show, which sucked.
>>156058687Damn that's crazy. Now I get why so many people are always clamoring for R-rated superhero movies. I always just thought "Why don't they make more 14A movies? That's the target demographic for comicbook movies anyway."
>>156058668Not really feminist. The taller woman's the villain. She died.There is some woke shit though. A few background gays, Drag Queen Story Hour gets shown on some sign listing while the MC is taking her joyous bike ride around the town-city. The only people in the fantasy land that have any real power and aren't antagonists are brown; the antagonists are white.
>>156058710The problem with that is it'll be like letting the crew off the leash and they'll make something like Sauage Party instead of Lethal Weapon. We don't have the reserved creatives like we used to who knew who to push the envelope with going too far and still make it mature and engaging. Nowadays they go overboard fill it with "fucks" a second dialog and sociopathic heros, like James Gunn's suicide squad, because they're untalented 12 year olds. Also, when you get close to nc17, you might as well scrap it, because it might not make it to theaters and it won't make money because normies will avoid it. It's best these days to go PG13 because you can go fairly heavy and maybe throw in a "shit" without soccer moms losing it. Deadpool was a exception. R rated spider-man will fail.Now horror movies? No one likes a pg13 horror movie, but that's a different story.
>>156058779I knew it.
>>156057607>Americans associate PG with family by default, even for PG-13.The entire rating system is irrelevant in the US, apart from R, because R means a kid can't get in by themselves. Parents automatically assume that anything below that is suitable for children, regardless of the actual guidelines for each rating.American parents don't view film ratings as information, they view them as an excuse to off-load responsibility. "R" means adults only, so anything below that should be fine for kids. Any parent smart enough to actually understand film ratings and make judgments based off of them probably also didn't raise retarded kids who are afraid of serious themes in movies, so it's a moot point.
>>156058600He'd never seen the Simpsons or family guy?
>>156058605The biggest problem I'm seeing besides the blind raging over the violence is that people are too media literate to spot when something is a metaphor for abortion. Ironically, an animated stop motion fantasy film would be better received if it just flat out depicted teen pregnancy at face value than hiding it under symbols
>>156058823I guess it's just a ratings board difference because here in Canada a 14A movie can still be really successful. Like, all those Conjuring movies and Get Out and tons of other very big horror movies got 14A instead of R here. A movie has to be pretty gory to get an R rating in Canada. Upon googling it seems like we pretty much don't even do that.
This movie was mid so no.>BUT THE ANIMATION WAS GOOD!And it was boring and pointless to watch.
>>156053059>>156053143>>156053654yeah, 90% of Japanese laws people talk about online are misrepresented at best and made up at worst. reminds me of people claiming that yuri on ice was supposed to be yaoi but japanese tv bans all depicts of gay people.
>>156058373>boomersThose are grandparents or great grandparents now. These are millennial parents we’re talking about. If we’re gonna even be doing generation war bullshit.
>>156058480I think it was when i was at a showing for one of the paranormal activity movies, about ten minutes in there was a scene with a fat naked old lady participating in a demon summoning ritual. A couple with a nine year old boy quietly and politely got up and exited the theater. Sometimes hard cold openings like that are necessary for informing the audience that it’s time to go to the lobby and request a refund, or to log out and find something else to watch. They’re functional, and kinda preferable to saving the dark or salacious stuff til the very end when you’re too invested to walk out.
>>156058668>>156058779>>156058835Worthless retards
>>156052765What's actually happening is that Gen-Xers and older millennials are turning into boomers with regards to thinking everything is destroying societyThe Beatles are destroying the family unit! D&D is turning people into satanists! GTA3 caused school shootings!Blaming the current thing you don't understand or like for all of our problems has always been retarded. Kids are far more durable than that and also far, far too complex to blame any one thing onAs for this movie, you guys ever been to a Mexican restaurant that didn't serve tacos? I have. It sucked ass. Obviously there's nothing that says all Mexican restaurants should have tacos, and obviously I could have done more research into the place. But there's still an expectation that Mexican places serve tacos. Maybe my bad review is unfair, but what will happen is that some just like me will see that review and won't make the same mistake, saving themselves and also the restaurant a headache. You get it?
>>156059481You're forgetting they're growing into boomers in an environment which grew up already hearing that and seeing directly what it distracted from.
>>156057607No thats G, but theaters don't want parents to bring screaming toddlers into theaters and have said parents use their trash bins meant for snack to be used for used diapers so we can't get G rated films anymore.>>15605829510 year olds watch this, 5 year olds watch Anpanman.>Why is it always ''20 times worse'' when you talk shit about Japan?Because unless you are a hyper runner playing musical chairs you can't make kids shows anymore, and whats worse you're not allowed to make funny animals nor emulate the likes of Tex Avery, Bob Clampett and Chuck Jones and are forced to do nothing but Filmation with Bambi eyes.>But Japan has clearly had more lenient standards regarding violence and sexual imagery in kids' shows for decades.1998's "Cheese Pizza" laws and soccer moms who may or may not be Karins killed it.>>156058848The entire rating system is extremely relevant in the US, CPS made sure of it.>>156059221One of the Ultramen back in 2020 or 2021 had a tranny in it (MtF) and they had a serous roll in the episode (meaning they were treated like any of the cis actors and wasn't geted beat up by the actor playing Ultraman), they made it legal to beat up trans people because of how many normies bitch about it.LGB is still fine, case in point Go For It Nakamura which is aimed at fujos, It's the TQ+ they have issues with.>>156059296Zoomers are the ones doing this shit, millennials want Tex Avery and Bob Clampett to be the norm again.
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>>156059481>food analogyI get what you’re trying to say, but bad example. Burritos are the same thing but just a different shape.
>>156059481Naw the stuff millennials have to shield their kids from is much worse than what boomers were tripping about. If you guys just didn't fill kids entertainment with fags and other libtarded shit you wouldn't hear half the outrage you hear these days
>>156059580The funny thing is CPS would be forced to be more lenient following an actual lawsuit, since during litigation they'd have to find direct proof of malicious intent on the part of the content's creator
>>156059640>If you guys just didn't fill kids entertainment with fags and other libtarded shit you wouldn't hear half the outrage you hear these daysPeople have been saying that for much, much longer than you think.Millennials are still sort of right though since they're the first people to parent kids in the social media TikTok brainslop era, which is extremely frustrating to do well.
>>156059659The issue is it's also created generations who default to hate and genuine acts of malice and narcissism. They willingly allowed general empathy to be lumped under the "degenerate" label
>>156059481I want to smack you on your retarded lip. Things are getting worse and sticking your head in the sand and going "lolz ur just boomer-minded" is a thought-terminating cliche meant to keep retards like you complacent.
>>156051405There's not clay, it's 3d printed You fucking sperm sniffer
>>156059732And 3D printing can only be done with one mystery material?
>>156059580>10 year olds watch this, 5 year olds watch Anpanman.They usually start watching Anpanman when they're around 3. 5-year-olds might watch both, but they are usually more into hero stuff like this. There's a good chance that you get laughed at for watching this at 10, even though there are plenty of 30-year-old "big friends" who watch this shit in Japan.
>>156058909The Boondocks were dropping Nigger and Bitch. You rarely hear those even in Primetime.
>>156059901Not true.
>>156059969It is. I stopped watching early-morning tokusatsu shows when I was around 7 or 8. I and my homies were already reading the early arc of Hunter x Hunter and buying lots of Gundam model kits when we were 10-11.
>>156059481My hot take is that every generation since the industrial revolution has seen the onset of some technology/culture/economic trend that is "destroying society", and it's just that we normalize it and stop caring about it because there's nothing any of us can do to stop it. Every generation gets a contextual reset and discovers some new horror that the in-between generations warn is going to cause problems, but their concerns are just dismissed by idiots who assume that because they can't perceive the historical context, then it must not exist.>Kids are far more durable than that and also far, far too complex to blame any one thing onYeah, we're not blaming the kids, retard. We're blaming the adults who allow and/or inflict stupidity into the lives of their children. The durability of kids is legitimately part of the problem. Kids will normalize absolute insanity, so long as their parents were okay with it. Then the next generation normalizes even worse.The simple fact is that, yes, if everything is continually breaking down, then everyone is always complaining about it. That doesn't make it pointless alarmism.
>>156060115>Shit posting.>>156060236Nothing you said is true.
>>156059481This post is literally "I turned out fine so quit yappin!"
>>156060254>>Shit posting.I'm simply Jap and all I said is true
>>156051591>9/11 and its consequences, and the death of the economy has resulted in children being stuck at home forever. There is nowhere else to go.No, retard. It has nothing to do with any of that. In the olden days, there were two primary reasons a kid would even want to leave the house:>it's the only way to hang out with your friends>it's the only way to get the fuck away from your crazy parentsNow, neither of those things are true. There are plenty of ways for kids to disassociate from their home life and connect to their friends without ever having to leave their rooms, for better or for worse.Also, I think this is something that people don't mention, but... kids don't hate their parents as much as they used to. The old dynamic was basically that your parents were your jailers. But kids are far more open and comfortable with their parents these days. Even the relationships between Gen X and their zoomer kids is MUCH better than it was between any that came before. The rift has closed to the point that kids aren't desperate to get away from their parents the way they used to be.
>>156060254>Nothing you said is true.Actually, you're wrong. Everything I said is true. Glad I could clear this up.
>>156060449No, I'm right.
>>156060395The price of electronics as of late also got kids to go outside as of recentaly.
>>156060343You were not the norm.
The problem is there's no middle grade or "teen" animation industry in the US, which is why everyone turned to anime. But most animators don't want to make the cute attractive characters that anime has. Why do they think Avatar became so huge? Copy anime again, not Steven Universe.
>>156060748>The anime everyone turned to.Also the Avatar that became huge was the James Cameron Avatar, the Nick one is hyper niche as fuck and was meant to be Nick's big girls cartoon since Nick got sick of Klasky Csupo's output and SpongeBob was their big boys cartoon, but in came the hippy ladies and they changed Avatar:TLA to what we got.In fact bring up Avatar top a normie and they're always going to think of the James Cameron movie 100% of the time, Nick's Avatar is hyper niche as fuck.You want to attract normies, emulate Tex Avery, Bob Clampett, Frank Tashlin, Bob McKimson, Chuck Jones, Bill Hanna/Joe Barbera and Friz Freleng to the T, strictly, emulating Filmation with Bambi eyes which is what anime is most of the time is going to get ignored at best and shot at worst.In short; Copy Tex Avery, not anime.
>>156060605It's pretty normal. These days, 10-year-old boys I see in my town wear Barcelona and PSG replica jerseys to play soccer at the park, and then they talk about Blue Lock.It's always been like this. Kids around age 10 already try to act a bit older than they are.
>>156061021Those are just kids talking about their mom's fujo fad of the week, plus by age 10/5th grade they're taught what gays are anyway.At least they're talking about chip music (2A03, AY-3-8910, SN76489), thats were all the real musicians went.
>>156059296>2010Those were gen X parents. millenials in 2010 were 29 at the absolute oldest, and the average 1st-time parent age in 2010 was 25. I doubt those complaining parents were bringing kids in preschool to Rango.
>>156060559Nuh-unhh!!
>>156058624This. Most cinemas in the States even list the movie showtimes along with their MPA rating. Seeing that the new "cartoon movie" is PG-13 should at least make you consider whether your child is mature enough for Wildwood.
>>156062659No, I'm right.
>>156051275how does it feel to be less intellectually curious than a painting burning nazi
アメリカ人はいい加減早くエロいカートゥーン作れ日本人より人口多いくせにアニメーション作る人全然いねえじゃねえか
>>156063151Cry more bitch lmao
>>156063151>You're not curious about art if you can identify woke slop Those things aren't mutually exclusive at all. >Nazis Any random nazi probably had higher standards and tastes in art than basically any and all /co/ users, anon. Get over yourself
>>156063293Nah
>>156050689Should've put this on Netflix cuz that's where all the cool animations played.
>>156060935No. I want to copy Ralph Bakshi
>>156063748Thats a cis woman you sussy baka.
>>156063472Still 100% acceptable. Frank and Ollie are also acceptable too.
>>156063790No they're not, they're cis.
>>156063824No she is not, you're derailing the thread.
>>156063861No, you're not.
>>156063885No, you're not.
>>156064034No they're not.
>>156053807>Legal reasons with in a country.Detective Conan is so anal about being proper that it forces the kid characters to apologize for going on adventures even though it's required for the premise of the show and has Conan kick off both shoes in a fraction of a second so that he doesn't walk into a house with them on when he can spy a murder victim from the vestibule...but it's showing kids with phones when that's supposedly illegal?In this one someone else complains that they're looking at the phone instead of cleaning.
>>156063472I too dream of making a feature length animation with cute characters and lots of gratuitous nudity, sex, drugs, and violence
I see no appeal in stop motion animation that looks indistinguishable from computer animation.
>>156050689I went to see it today, and it was alright. It was more brutal than I expected, but not enough that I would stop kids from seeing it.Thought the part where the guy took a cannon ball to the face was pretty funny.
>>156064136give it up man, it's baitit's the sorta troll who keeps spouting extremely obvious lies so he can enjoy watching you go mad while trying to correct them
>>156050689I can't wait for AI to gape nepobabys and rich callyfags that went to animation school. Fuck you and your ego projects.
>>156050689because cartoons are for children no one productive sits there and watches faggot anime or goytoons least of all comics. You should be happy you’re suffering you’re paying for the sins of consuming slop. NISSIAN Z RISE UP
>>156064136It's a cartoon, it's not supposed to be realistic.>>156065151No.
Idk what it is, but this thread has to be the best example of modern /co/ threads in a nutshell everNo I won't elaborate
>>156065710No, I'm right.
>>156050689It's a PG-13 film. Of course I remember parents bringing their kids to see Watchmen which is rated R.
this movie had chud shit in it.that's why it flopped.
>>156065151why the fuck do you queers care just buy a nissian Z and grow up faggot
>>156065784No, you are.
>>156050689Doing my part, gonna see it with the Bakersfield Movie Club tomorrow
>>156051034my sister mocked me for watching k-on. a month later she has a screaming temper tantrum because my dad was making fun of demon slayer having weird chinese words. we won't grow out of it because of post ironic retards who will still find these things cringe and childish but secretly will watch it.
>>156066026seeing as we’re planning a mass culling no you queers won’t find more acceptance unless you become drone bait
>>156066159No, you do.
>>156066250No.
It's a really good movie. Reminds me of old adventure movies from the 80's.
>>156050689Parents are fucking retarded. I’m pretty sure this exact same shit happened with Buddy a month or two ago too.
>>156050689Dark shit should be par for the course for kids' films. There's pretty gruesome deaths in something like Jurassic Park. ParaNorman is basically Silent Hill: Elementary School. Even the first Shrek has a moment or two.Glenn Close terrified me as Cruella De Vil thirty years ago and I'm a better man for it today.It's nice to have a safe space to explore some of those themes.
>>156050689I saw it today, it was a little more violent than I expected, but literally nothing worse than what you'd find in Lord of The Rings. The PG-13 rating is entirely appropriate and if parents didn't want to pay attention to that, that's on them.
this movie made me unironically want to visit Portland
>>156051235a coyote is fully engulfed in flames on camera. another one gets their eyes gouged out with thumbs, again directly on camera. a child’s dead body deteriorates via time-lapse into a rotten corpse. probably some other stuff.
the stop-motion in this was so hi-fidelity that I would have assumed it was fully CGI if I didn't look up some behind-the-scenes footage
>>156052604>Shit there's a girl who's arms might be underdeveloped both in coordination and musculature due to her using tablets and phones instead of interacting with the world.
Even if I did see it /co/ would still find a way to be iconoclasts about it or something about me they're unhealthily obsessed over and thus disparage its value by sidetracking.Almost as if they brought it upon themselves..
This gives me hope that Laika put out a banger. I'm glad they don't give a fuck about the boxoffice.
>>156065831Laika films rarely do well in the box office, they only care about the critical reception. The entire studio is bankrolled by Nike money, so they don't care about making a profit. They do it for the art. That's why they still do stop motion in this day and age, and literally nobody else does in any meaningful way.
>>156059127Both PG-13 and R movies can be highly successful in America, it just depends on the genre like that guy said. For instance, if you are making a super hero blockbuster film, you want the PG-13 rating because it allows your target audience to go to the theater without parents having to sit through it, and parents will feel less iffy about the content of the film if it has a milder PG-13 rating.R ratings in the US are a gamble in terms of how intense the content is, so most parents won't feel comfortable about taking kids to it. But if the film is explicitly not aimed at children that is a different story, and an R rated movie can do very well just from adult audiences.
>>156056660Wish he'd namefag himself so I wouldn't have to listen to responses that have nothing to do with what I'm talking about.
>>156066567They didn't, the R rated made sure of it.
>>156053385>have I ever read a review No
>>156051591If you had actually read Bowling Alone instead of hearing about if from a xitter post you would know that the primary motive for atomization is the high convenience of modern entertainment technology (starting with television and music records) and a highly mobile (as in not rooted in any one place) society, both of which are corrosive to community
>>156058667It goes G, PG, PG-15, R, NC-17. I think only the last one has any legal force.
>>156068731They don't roam around freely in Asia, Europe and South America either, it's just with recent trends everyone just went back outside to cut back on obesity, on top of rising electronics pricing due to AI, thats what made kids go outside again.
>>156050689I saw this last night, loved it, but I absolutely did have the thought that this was pretty violent for a kids movie, there weren't any kids at the screening I went to though.
>>156050689Were these the same parents taking their kids to sausage party? Im actually curious because thats the other time this sort of thing has happened
>>156051275In what way?
>>156068592I've gotten to the point that I want to punch anyone using Khalimov's appearance or Wojaks.God dammit we were supposed to be past this shit by now!
>>156050936Well, yeah. Its a Laika movie. If they wanted it to suck-seed they would make a movie based on a popular videogame with Seth Rogan.
>>156067370you'd be surprised lol
>>156069334Anon it was the only right answer to the retarded question.
>>156066868jesus tapdancing christ
>>156066930Apparently one of the owners' or the main owner's family owns Nike or something.Laika reminds me of Cyberconnect funding their furry games (Fuga, Solatorobo, etc) that they're passionate about (and potentially .hack) by using the money they got the flashy anime games they churned out.
>>156059580>Calls it a tranny but still uses 'cis' and 'they'What are you? Also, what the fuck are you saying? Was it illegal to beat up transexuals on TV before?
>>156056713Was the furry hot at least?
>>156058779>Drag Queen Story Hour gets shown on some sign listingIt takes place in Portland, dude. They're just being accurate.
>>156050689Go back to tvtropes
>>156070224Travis Knight is the son of the founder of Nike. He's some weirdo nepobaby artist. Before he got in to animation he was trying to have a music career.
>>156058605You are the problem here.
>>156068731I also think that it's less an issue because we are raising kids properly as well. Boomers raised their kids with the authoritive style, pretty much teaching their kids that love is conditional which leads to teens and adults constantly craving external validation. Modern kids are raised more authoritative now, understanding that their parents love them unconditionally and having that secure sense of self where they don't really need other people to support their own self worth.It makes sense why people think zoomers are so selfish and crazy because the ones who want to make a life on tiktok and become influencers need a high amount of narcissism and are probably bordering, or are in the dark triade triangle.
>>156050689I hear the suicide and baby theft in the beginning were hard for people to get into for a kids movie.
>>156050689Somewhat
>>156053610I love how this entire summery describes suicide, death, bloody gore, and violence, then goes>Prue recklessly rides her bike with her brother unsecured to the wagon!and then goes on about another desturbing death.It makes it so hard to take this kind of stuff seriously when something like that is just thrown in the middle of stuff that might actually affect whether a parent brings their child to this movie.
>>156063190Normie porn market its much more profitable to be live action.Any "big" animators prefer to do 3D animation instead, in as much as there's a large 2D erotica animation industry in Japan (much smaller now than say 15 years ago) there's just a large market that already exists that they already attuned to. Americans don't wanna fight in that niche.
>>156066888checkeddumb frogposter, utterly retarded post
>>156059326>milktoastedretard
>>156066888Checked, good post
>>156071071It's not a personal description of the general temperature of the movie, it's more like a list of everything that that registers as something they're required to mention by their guidelines. They also both mention that some characters drink alcohol but also mention that someone "holds an empty bottle." It seems weird but it's just how their system works.
>>156053614Ketchup's years late international release was a real big success for them. Sounds like a skill issue on WB's part.
>>156050689It's because we never left the animation age ghetto in the first place, anon. Just look at all the highest-grossing animated movies, decades of "kids shows on American TV, and that Best Animated Feature Film presentation with Lily James, Naomi Scott, and Halle Bailey at the 94th Academy Awards.>Animated films make up some of our most formative movie experiences as kids.>So many kids watch these movies over and over…>and over and over and over and over and over.>I see some parents out there know exactly what we're talking about.
>>156051405You are an imbecile.
>>156071542Mmm... Milk Toast...
>>156059481>Gen-Xers and older millennials are turning into boomersAnon...it doesn't work like that.
>>156056670>oregon football having a season from hell>now thisbad year to be a Nike billionaire
>>156066702omg fr thoooo
I enjoyed this film
I did not enjoy this film
>>156067067You sound lame.
>>156050689Nope! American adults view synthetic media as teaching aids and jingling keys for unruly children. It fits neatly into their eternal high schooler worldview, where anything that could indicate a person to network with is important but little things like novel experiences are just there for the occasional confidence boost.
>>156078384holy seethe
>>156078441Nah this is how I type when I'm bored. I get a lot more clipped when I'm upset.
>>156050689I went to go see this movie today and wow, that opening scene definitely set the tone, I can imagine it upset a LOT of parents that thought this was going to be a family-friendly fantasy movie. I'm proud of Lakia.
>>156050689>We are never leaving the animation age ghettoWhy won't that kind of people just fuck off and leave our animation out of it?
>>156051405>profit above all elseDie.
>>156051405>Rich people subsidize A.I. slop generation to kill jobs and create a permanent underclass>"Actually this is cool and based">Rich person subsidizes stop motion animation, providing jobs and livelihoods for people and creates art to be enjoyed by others>"REEEEEE UNPROFITABLE IT SHOULDN'T EXIST"Why are you people like this?
>>156051275Out of curiosity, in what way does it look like wokeslop?
>>156082850A.I has a far bigger profit margin
>>156080692Based, FUCK parents
>>156082976A.I has done nothing but lose money for its entire existence.
>>156082976They're literally in $400-800 billion in debt, publicly. Estimated $1.65 trillion hidden.What can AI produce that can cover that? And I imagine that number continues to grow, as we sit here and shitpost on 4chan. They're trying to build up more datacenters, buy off more politicians, reserve more RAM and GPUs. They're going to pass $2 trillion in no time. Do you have $2 trillion in slop movie ideas?
>>156050714Liar
>>156051405literal subhuman take
>>156076348>>156077166get a room you two
>>156070908Modern audiences are too squeamish, then.
>>156070908Good thing they didn't see Chirin's Bell.
Wokeslop
>>156058480Naked, you say?
>>1560514053D models can easily replace claymation.>>156058605It also took 16 years to make.
>>156091507>3D models can easily replace claymation.It kinda did already. At this point you're just 3d printing plastic faceplates and you edit the whole thing in post anyway to look exactly like cgi and your background and background characters are fully cgi anyway.Somehow 3d printing plastic garbage makes it more artsy because it just be do it like that o algo.
>>156050689What exactly am I In for this movie?
>>156093473Nothing, really. That's the joke. It's like Big Hero 6 minus the porn potential.
>>156093515>It's like Big Hero 6...Are you retarded?
>>156094182Are you?
>>156094289Okay, explain your position, how is Wildwood like "Big Hero 6," I'd love to hear you elaborate on this premise, given it doesn't have the same plot structure, character archetypes, or art design.
>>156070829Vast majority of the greatest artists in human history had wealthy patrons. They did not have to sell art on the street to make a living. Laika is basically a continuation of the same tradition as the Italian Renaissance masters. As long as the patron is happy, it doesn't matter what the plebs think.
wildwood is not a kids movie. it has death in it and scenes that are too scary for kids, as well as political messages. there are actually people out there trying to say kids should watch this movie but the truth is if kids are crying in theaters then maybe it shouldn't be labeled as for them. It's kind of pathetic on laika's part to use a kid medium to make a movie like this.
>>156050689That's an American problem bud, Europe and Japan dont have that issue
>>156090533
I want the Dowager Governess to give me a nursing handie.
>>156094476Yes they do, except there it's views as a geeks medium.
>>156090039>Chirin's Bell wazzat
>>156082976>A.I has a far bigger profit marginlmao
>>156095440Those crows freaked me out...
>>156050689The same parents who let their children have unrestricted access to internet all day?
>>156058605What woke shit?
>>156094461Kids movies have always had death and scary scenes. Disney's original Snow White caught flack for having the witch be too scary for children. Dumbo was criticised for making kids cry when the mom got locked up. Bambi had a huge shitstorm over the mom being killed by the hunter, both from angry parents and angry sportsmen who thought it made hunters look bad. Then there's the fucking Lion King with Mufasa's death, there was so much fucking crying and parents buttmad that it was too harsh for the poor little children.For fucks sakes kids cried when Optimus Prime died in the Transformers movie.Kids are gonna fucking cry at movies but it's good for them to experience these emotions early on so that their parents can help them deal with it so that they're more prepared when actual tragedies happen.None of this is new, people just want to cry that is is.
>>156053677>with their daughters wanting to kill themselves on the daily because of influencers and online bullying culture>Man kill themselves more often than foid>But foid's killing themselves are the real problem.Unalive yourself
