Puppy dog eyes editionPrevious: >>155946691Confused about the Lute!Eve thing? Start here: https://x.com/lutesaurus/status/2097058277192528194
>they killed millions
>>156015604Listen it was only a joke ok
>>156015604Thousands, technically.
>>156015604>>156015627>>156015682It's ok because they technically made more.
>>156014497Someone pointed out that Viv apparently liked a bunch of Verosika/Wally art and woah, look what happened. She keeps her secrets on some elements but she doesn't give a shit when it comes to ships.
>>156015747So considerate of them!
>>156015932I had no idea she liked a bunch of Wally/Verosika art! That's genuinely pretty interesting
>>156016011Context matters. If the show is already hinting at a romantic relationship and she consistently likes posts portraying those characters romantically, then that's the intended reading. Meanwhile, her liking fan art of Eve becoming Roo means very little when she's already been open about Roo being the ancient Goddess of Evil. That's a pretty clear example of her simply appreciating the artwork. People keep ignoring that nuance.Same thing with Lilith. Practically everything we've been shown or told about her in the current series points toward her being a cold, emotionally distant mother who may have fallen out of love with Lucifer. And guess what Viv likes? Plenty of Lucifer/Lilith fan art, but also posts portraying Lilith as particularly cruel or dismissive toward Lucifer. Granted, she's liked far more romantic artwork of the two, but given what we currently know, that could probably reflects what their relationship used to be rather than what it is now.Once you recognize that pattern, her likes become fairly easy to contextualize. Yet people look at you like you're crazy for even pointing out the distinction.
>>156015932>>156016011I'm gonna be a complete asshole and say that Viv can spoil her biggest twists and reveals yet the fandom will still ignore that. She can literally leak Lute/Eve's garden of Eden design and people will somehow say that's obviously not Lute and that she looks like Eve because they reused the design.
>>156016108Dude, she literally confirmed that Roo is the Evil Goddess, of which she has spoken about before. Her own admission, she even said she's not a spoiler and that she's talked about her openly before. She even said that she was in the pilot and in the beginning of the series. Guess what? People still think there's a likely chance that Roo is Eve.People in this fandom are stupid
>>156016108If Lute turns out to be Eve, people are absolutely going to claim it was a last-minute retcon and that the Lilith/Eve wife-swap storyline was ALWAYS the original plan. And even if Viv confirms that the story underwent conceptual changes before everything was finalized, which is completely normal because literally EVERY story goes through multiple stages of development, people will STILL call it a retcon. According to this fandom, changing an idea during development is the same thing as rewriting established canon
>>156016137Exactly
Ok guys what do you think the colour of Eve's flesh tunnel was?
>>156016137People are used to either faceless corporate creators who don't interact with or acknowledge anything or meek wet blankets like Gooseworx who say things like umm there won't be shipping so you can ship what you want ok. They aren't used to the showrunner fucking fighting with people on social media over the ships she likes and which interpretations of the material are correct. They're not used to a creator interacting with them and point blank saying they're enjoying the show in the wrong way.
>>156016193White with Adam's cum
I think Hazbin Hotel (and Helluva Boss) might be the first example of a truly 'shipping first' show. Like the creator herself comes from that culture and expects you to be shipping shit and focusing on the romantic pairings more than any other element.
>>156015604It was only 7 years y'know
>>156015563God, I appreciate all the passion Vosk sounds in these transcripts.
>>156016387The bitch cannot hold her tongue. You can tell when she gets actively excited. Look at me in the eye and tell me Lute isn't Eve.
>>156016387Would love to meet her at a con and get something signed some day, I bet she's fun
VOSK has called Lute "THE" villain and a mastermind, a couple of times. If that doesn't scream Eve being a big bad for season 4......
>>156016495>I am the Mastermind, and here I am the law>She is the laaaawww!
Look of pure dread and trauma.
>>156016495Oh look at that, in the leaks. Eve is a big bad. HmmmNah nah you guys. Lute is totes random Exorcist #5
>>156016608Excuse you? She's exorcist number #246769.
>>156016606>kill them all
>>156016608no but see that's what makes her bond with adam meaningful and special because unlike lilith and eve she wasn't forced to be with him! ignore that lilith and lucifer hooking up was acknowledged by heaven in making eve to replace her but no punishment was given to them until the apple incident (AFAIK), and also that eve's entire thing is being given choice.
>>156016451She can sign my Adam-Lute stained glass shirt.
>>156016209To be fair, it's kind of amazing that FUCKING AMAZON is allowing her to do this without burying her in litigation. Imagine if the Rings of Power showrunners were allowed to fight people on social media all day about why Galadriel x Sauron is the hottest ship ever.
>>156016495The standard for being a mastermind in the Hellaverse is really, really, really fucking low if Lute of all people qualifies. I am a "mastermind" by Hazbin standards purely because I would not go about drafting my evil schemes with fucking crayons.
>>156021128How the hell is it low if Lute it's a mastermind. She's a prime candidate. What, you want her to be twirling her little mustache 24/7 or some shit?
>>156021276Bro, Lute spent most of S2 having a mental breakdown, seething impotently and then randomly trying to stab someone when the big cannon was about to blow up. No, Danny Doo-Bad already exists, but I am saying FUCKING PILOT PENTIOUS is a better mastermind than Lute has so far been shown as.
>>156021303There's more than one type of Mastermind, I do hope you know that. Yeah she's throwing a fit because her world is turned upside down.
>>156021377Wait, so according to you, a proper mastermind can be someone who's ridiculously silly and terrorizes people with explosions / weapons, but can't be someone whose rage is so explosive that she vows to destroy all of Hell and who's committed genocide?
>>156021377If your definition of a mastermind is Lute, then I guess the tinfoil hat-wearing hobo at the bus stop screaming about how his ex-wife is in league with the aliens that probed his anus is also a mastermind. I'm not sure how to say this, but Lute is the most pathetic mastermind imaginable in a show where the actual villain of S2 explained his plans to Val and Velvette with fucking crayons just like Charlie for some reason.
>>156021514Okay so indeed, there is only one type mastermind for you. Which is apparently Vox and Sir Pentious. Okie.
>>156021514You know there's different types of masterminds, right.Do you.. Do you not know that or...
>>156021561>>156021580There are, indeed, different types of mastermind. I am just saying that Lute is an absolutely pathetic excuse of one based on everything we know about her so far. Just like, for example, there are different types of demon lord. And, for example, Mephisto from Marvel can't be defeated by luring them onto comically large Xs drawn on the ground.
>Helluva season 3 apparently has a big status quo change>Lucifer feels heavily primed to appearSilly prediction: Imps rebel against Goetia. Lucifer shows up in the heat of it all, shrugs and sides with/snap empowers the imp side, then fucks off back to Hazbin main story. Chaos. Feels like something Viv would find funny and fits with Lucifer's mindless use of godlike power.
>>156016423>JESSICA VOSK: [Reading the screen.] Do I think Lute has sympathetic reason for despising all sinners? Do I think that? Yeah, I do. Why? I can't tell you that yet. I can't tell you that yet.This one for me, man it essentially hints at what we know this all going with deep remorse over the original sin and fall of humanity.
>>156022632No, seriously. That long ass pause? The fuck did she have to contemplate that long for.
>Obviously I cannot say much about potential other members of his family, I will say, but there may or may not be other members of his family that we explore in the show. Shit I was wondering if we would see Cain and Seth.
>But I think Adam, Abel and Lute have some of the best rock voices in the show. Heh, rock family
>>156022632>I think one of my favorite quotes is “I’m here to finish what I started.” I think it’s badass… Carries a lot of meaning for Lute, PS.Like may as well spell it out for us, babe.
>>156015604cuteness
And there. Wow, did I Fortniteanon just read all of Looty's 50 transcripts Google doc? Yes.
>>156025241Your conclusion is?
I like Kitty
>>156025241So, what do you think?
>>156025241Based, you deserve a sticker or at least a victory royale
>>156025360>>156025813I'm satisfied I did, I love when autists deep dive and put together informative docs or analysis videos culminating everything. When I first came here to watch for Charlie, I not only became attached to the cast, but the main pairing that clicked with me was guitarspear instead of Charlastor, so poetic that /co/ actually turned out to be hetero angels general when it came to discussion and it's telling since it's hard carried what's essentially one of the hidden in plain sight reveals coming. I first approached this as some agenda but I'm sold and don't really think it's a rabbit hole necessarily, it's sitting there cooking. People that aren't buying it you're right it's mostly denial centered on shipping like guitarspear that hate Lute!Eve, Holybaldes, Morningstars dindus, etc. but being here for almost a week now and reading a lot how fanon clings to its headcanons ignoring Viv or flat out dismissals it doesn't surprise me.
>>156026311Unfortunately or maybe fortunately I mostly play for locker appeal and am in fact awful but I have fun. I never thought Tim Sweeney would pursuade to give this show a chance but I'm happy this collab did. It's going to be a ride.
What if Adam was distant with Eve at first because he internalized everything Lilith yelled at him before she left about not touching her, not bothering her, leaving her alone etc. And poor little Eve craves his love and attention and doesn't understand why he seems so afraid to touch her.
>>156013975Hopefully Wave 3-4 include /ourguy/ Adam too it can work they put fat dudes in Fortnite before. I would assume Wave 2 would be more hotel residents then they'll do villains bundle like Vees and our favorite duo.
>>156026397There are things that aren't even in the document yet (because Looty deserves a vacation): for instance, the director's commentary on the blu-rays for Season 2:>Skye (Animation director on Hazbin): "It's almost like Vaggie did that too. Hmm. [...] Heaven's just like 'We can just move on because it's happy time. Everything you've ever wanted is here.' Heh, & Lute's like, '...not my dead husband'."
>>156017705THERE'S NO REMEDY BUT TO BURN THEM ALL
>>156026640Like for fucks sake the amount of insane cope takes I've seen that try to dismiss the "husband" are insane.
What's fatter his gut or her rump?
>>156021106Amazon doesn't give a FUCK. Look at what they're selling along with the official merch. This is their own IP
>>156026768
>>156026736His gut's fatter but Lute's ass is underrated. She has the exact same build as Vaggie but nobody seems to notice
>>156026768The fuck lmao
>>156016276Or at the very least it's the first one to strip out all pretenses and wear that on its sleeve.
>>156025485Wonder if Val will replace her with a roboglitz/glam
>>156026736They're literally built to slot together like Lego pieces. Her rump supporting his gut. Pure architectural genius.
Found this AU where Loona's a 'heaven hound' and Lute (yes, that's Lute) raised her
>>156016276Viv is a self-admitted romance writer. Why do you think both shows fantasy worldbuilding isn't all that great? I hope when the Hellaverse becomes a franchise multiple fantasy writers better the worldbuilding.
>>156027162
>They're making a whole fan animationBased autists
>>156027158I love Hellaverse worldbuilding as someone who consumed a lot of amateur online worldbuilding projects from Deviantart and similar platforms back in the day.
>>156027264Ah, so nostalgia? (not trying to be a dick here btw.)
>>156027372Yes! Very much nostalgia. It scratches an itch left by that kind of project. I was a big Homestuckfag too and Hellaverse is also reminiscent of that but more specifically of the better written Homestuck fan comics and fictions of the early 2010s that focused mostly on Alternia and less so of modern Homestuck.
>>156027153>>156027162>>156027168Damn Lute just can't escape the mother allegations.
>>156027190>adam's not fati don't want it
>>156027190Lute is very pretty here.
>>156027574He still has time to get a dadbod from all the Gluttony snacks imported for his adopted daughter.
>>156026811No, Vaggie is thicker in her leg and hip area.Vaggie = MillieCassity = Lute
>>156026397It's so worth it to have made the dock for people like you who actually read through the whole damn thing. I've been sitting on this info for fucking ever, and whenever I showed it to people, I was called fucking psycho. I'm still called a psycho but with evidence! I kept telling everyone I'm not delusional. It's right fucking there!
>>156028018Lute can't be Cassity because Lute actually wipes the floor with Vaggie in a fight.
Cassity is jealous of Millie's skills. Lute's infuriated by Vaggie because she thinks Vaggie's weak and a disgrace to her station and repeatedly outclasses her every time they actually fight, she puts her money where her mouth is.
>>156028027I meant their build/body.
https://x.com/bebev_e/status/2113916069232456097/
>>156026939That or they got a bunch of Robofizz's for cheap when Mammon was liquidating them and they repair Kitty with all the spare parts.I doubt that it'd be the first time Kitty's needed extensive repairs, Val would likely not be gentle with her.
I enjoyed season 1, is s2 worth a watch? Didn't hear much buzz about it.
>>156029214It's mostly just filler.
>>156029214Any part in Heaven is a banger but otherwise I hope you like Vox and the Vees.
So, apparently, some people thought the first page of my Google Doc was the entire archive. Should I put a giant disclaimer or something explaining that you actually have to click the links or transcripts to read the interviews & articles in full context?I can't believe people thought those little snippets were the entirety of the evidence.
>>156029695That might be a good idea! Never underestimate how much people won't read.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZsxrd0tEJgI heard they're going to play this when Radioapple becomes canon inshallah
Are people seriously on twitter worried Adam would get completely woobified?
>>156031507Knowing Viv? Yeah
Imagine being a fucking Helluva Boss fan.Damn, it feels good to enjoy the series that Viv isn't allowed to ruin with her fujo shit.
>>156031673I mean it's Adam. He's not really her regular juicy woobifing target.
>>156031740Look at what she did to Striker. Another character who's not her usual woobifying target.
>>156031895He got woobified? He seems more hit with the irrelevant/retardation hammer.
>>156015604Look, they would have gotten more if Charlie hadn't armed the psycho gremlin with an angelic knife, okay?
>>156016209>meek wet blankets like Gooseworx who say things like umm there won't be shipping so you can ship what you want ok.The "JAX IS TOTALLY TRANS LOLOLOL SUCK MY GIRLDICK" gloating that came immediately after the final episode hit theaters, only to backpedal to "You can interpret it however you want" once he didn't get the massive outpouring of heckin' validation and love he expected, says it all.
>>156032182Goose is a nutjob. That's to be a given.
Lilith and Adam Eden flashback in season 3.
>>156032351Maybe. Idk.
>>156032351I'm expecting some Lilith and Adam flashbacks. If we see Eve she'll be at the very, very end.
>>156032368No. For sure.I have friends.Can't say more
>>156032427Man, I know this is probably just a joke but I want to believe. Is there anything else at all you can tell is? Or at least if you've said other things in the past can you recap what they were?
>>156032385Imagine we get an Abel flashback where initially we only see Cain and a bit of Adam so we get the Eve reveal last moment after he gets his head bashed by Cain. Like our first look at Eve is her trying to process her son killing her other son.
>>156032427Are Adam and Lilith gonna be on the same level (both okish or both dickish) or is one gonna get writers special treatment while the other eats shit?
>>156032447No. Not a joke.And sorry I should clarify. Not an Eden flashback. We don't know. Could be a flashback to their deal. Can't say more. No mention of Eve yet.Also ,, not really a secret since Viv implied Eden flashbacks
>>156031434adam would be such a shit dog though, he'd be that barky pomeranian that bites everyone and sheds everywhere but you can't say shit because he belongs to the CEO (lute) and she lets him lick the inside of her mouth as kissies.
>>156032497Also, yes to Adam and Eve being a toxic couple. Eve is blonde.Could not get further clarification. They did say that some fans are really really good at theorizing.
>>156032527Any elaboration on 'toxic couple?'
>>156032527Toxic couple?
>>156032539Sorry. Not toxic. Villainous.Villain duo.
>>156032554No sorry. Villain. Villain couple. Now think of the guitarspear merch we've been getting
>>156032527>>156032563Hoping this means they behave like a pair of shitty cruel bullies like Adam and Lute do because suprise surprise, she's Eve.
>Lucifer created the Goetia>The Goetia are not only incredibly racist toward other races, but they also live in such a patriarchal society that women exist solely to bear more children and have so little power that they can’t even have a say in their own weddings unless their fiancés are on their side.So, did Lilith never care that the race her husband created was literally exactly what she had escaped from?
>>156032505I'd more imagine him as a big ass dog that's some mix of some random breed and a mutt. He bites. He shits massive logs where you walk and sheds an entire carpet. He howl to an exaggerated degree and chews everything he can fit in his mouth. His owner (Lute) could have trained him to not do this shit but she doesn't mind so he's everyone in else's problem.
>>156032645This and if they were switched Lute is the pom.
>>156032605Looks like she didn't. According to charlie, she thrived in hell. Looks like she wanted to not only escape the system, and have one of her own. Which, to be fair, wouldn't anyone? If you escape an oppressive system, that doesn't mean that you're all about equality and shit. You just want to book it.
>>156032645>You just know
>>156032605Well there's two options considering what we can see about Lilith so far. Either she has super low standards for how she's supposed to be treated and Adam was a complete piece of shit and Lucifer eventually reached that level so that's why she left or Adam wasn't that bad and she just fucks off whenever she gets inconvenienced by her current husband. Considering how self centered and egotistical the mural paints her as I'm willing to believe this woman has some serious delusions of grandeur. Like I genuinely believe the inuniverse hype around her is kinda fabricated by her.
>>156032707Ohh why did you just point that out to me? Like I didn't need the white woman with dog jokes. You ruined my night.
>>156032714>serious delusions of grandeur.Of course she does. This is indirectly implied by Charlie's voice actress. And by Lucifer and Charlie themselves in the show. She pushes people away when she thinks she's doing the right thing. Charlie is a spaz because she's always wanted mommy's approval. All Charlie ever wanted from her mother, according to her voice actress, is her attention, love and affirmation. Viv liked a post that said that the reason Charlie keeps fucking up her goal of redemption it's because she's doing this to impress mommy, even if she doesn't consciously realize it. She has built this enormous pressure on herself, and that didn't come from nowhere. That is actually very common for children who are severely emotionally neglected and abused. Where did you think she got that from? It wasn't just lucifer.I genuinely would not be surprised if Lilith never even rejected adam, if Adam was the one who rejected Lilith, and she got so butthurt and bitter that she made up this whole narrative about it.
>>156032605The Goetia generally portray Lucifer in an incredibly negative light; they are a race he created, and they view him as a god. The fact that Goetian society is so patriarchal shows that Lucifer is such a terrible ruler that even when he does have the power to make changes, he won’t do so out of indifference. It also makes him look like a complete hypocrite; he keeps complaining about how the sinners misused the free will he gave them, but now we see that a race he created is just like the sinners.
>>156032729that's why i made him her shitty purse dog, it's funnier.
>>156032729How else do you think Abel turned out such a little bitch
>>156032755>I genuinely would not be surprised if Lilith never even rejected adam, if Adam was the one who rejected Lilith, and she got so butthurt and bitter that she made up this whole narrative about it.I hope this actually happens because it would be so funny and would make so many funny memes.
>>156033003What did he dump her for? Being a no-fun-allowed haughty nag?
>>156033042Honestly idk. I hope it was because she was too desperate and clingy just so we get the hideaway (Charlie chasing Verbalase) meme but with Lilith and Adam.
>>156032714I don't get what the mural is meant to prove. Somehow I don't think she sat and dictated how she was portrayed there? These threads are very strange about Lilith.
>>156033003You're going to get blown out on this Adam glazing fantasy just like the "his girls he loves" shit about the exorcists was destroyed in season 2. Adam fans never learn.
It'd be interesting if Lilith was constantly critical of Adam and his efforts in appealing to her and his work in the Garden more generally. Like, he kept trying to engage with her and get her to take an interest in what he's doing with naming the animals and birds etc and she shits on every one of his efforts until he gets fed up with her. I don't think there'll do that, though.
>>156033133You may be onto something, given that Lilith is supposed to be a 'diva-queen' according to Viv: https://screenrant.com/hazbin-hotel-season-3-secret-lilith-casting-hint-vivienne-medrano/
>>156033130Lute being Eve and still being in love with him is an undeniable Adamfag W
>>156033130agreed, the only way adam being the one to reject lilith could go down is if he's a complete cunt about her not meeting his standards.
>>156033130It's not really a fantasy. I obviously understand it's not going to happen. I just think it would be funny af. Don't know what roused that reaction out of you.
>>156033164His equally psychotic wife stuck by him and is willing to act like his accessory and deal with his shit, yes. That's what makes them a fun potential villain couple. Let that be and acknowledge that literally nobody else likes or wants Adam.
>>156033204>The wife loves him>The son loves him too, deep downDoes he need anyone else?
>>156033204Idk seems kinda harsh. I do want some of their crotch spawn to be on the same level of assholes. Let the two have an army of little assholes that look and act like them.
>>156033238Yeah, honestly, I think the best way to address what happened between Adam and Lilith is that they were both kind of assholes, not complete monsters, but they both wanted to be in control of the relationship, and that’s why things just didn’t work out. Lilith was happy with Lucifer because he’s a doormat who lets her be the dominant one.
>>156033204>Let that be and acknowledge that literally nobody else likes or wants Adam.That's exactly what I've been saying. Viv herself in the blu ray commentary said he was not well liked in Heaven. And he was voted 'biggest dick in Heaven' which is obviously a double-meaning.Nobody like this piece of shit besides Eve. His own rib. Duh.
adam bellli
>>156033170How? She was a cunt because he apparently did not meet her standards.
>>156033297erotic
>>156033321Lute getting melanin mogged here
Since Adam is the father of humanity and all can i call him grampy and make him feel old
>>156033305What if they didn't work out because she was jealous of Adam's melanin? That's why we se her constantly chilling on the beach. She's insecure and trying to fix that by getting a tan.
>>156033442Sunburned Lilith au
>>156033425Same for Granny Lute/Eve.
>>156033442See Lute is pale as fuck but she's not jealous because she's built different. She knows she can rely on Adam's belly to shade her from the sun.
Hey with the Lute/Eve thing, why doesn't she say anything to Abel? Wouldn't she treat her son better or Abel would like acknowledge it?>It's in the docI wanna hear it from a person so we can interact and have fun because I love you
>>156033526>It's in the doclarper. the doc is literally just an archive of everything that's been said about Lute. there's no personal theory or input.>Wouldn't she treat her son better?Do you not know what abusive parents are. Did you also forget Adam. Why is this retards' first arguments against Lute being Eve.
>>156033526So basically we think Lute might be forbidden from saying anything about it at the moment. He doesn't know and neither does Adam. Adam wasn't a great father to Abel either and Abel acknowledges that as far as he's aware, Adam didn't like him.But Lute still tries to get Abel involved with her revenge plan when she says 'what the fuck is wrong, this battle is our chance'. She thinks he should be excited about this, she wants him to join in and be bloodthirsty with her, it's his birthright and she's genuinely baffled that he's not enthusiastic about this.And You are my best friend anon and this is us.
>>156033565I'm just asking, you don't have to be an asshole about it. wouldn't abel call her mom or something?
>>156033526The actual explanation is that Lute/Eve and Adam dislike Abel because he's a pussy and a disappointment (by their insane standards). Lute/Eve is probably more mean/shitty towards Abel because she's self-conscious about his failings while Adam just ignores Abel. Lute is the mom that constantly complains and is angry at you for fucking up while Adam is just that chilling doing his own thing.
>>156033622>He doesn't know and neither does Adamthat's more plausible, thanks anon. I wonder if they'll hit us with it in s3>And You are my best friend anon and this is us.thank you anon :3 you are my best friend too
>>156033664Remember when she said "I never got to tell you that I?" Well, she never actually finished that sentence
>>156033526The document is just a list of what the VA, Viv, Sam Haft (the music composer) and whoever else on Spindle has said about Lute, on record.You're missing out. There's a lot of the stuff the fandom is sleeping on.
>>156033164Adam won because everyone expects him to get the worst treatment possible so one W for him is a big celebration. Lilith lost because she needs to be perfection incarnate otherwise the fandom will lose their shit and declare Viv a misogynist. She can't have flaws or not be the embodiment of motherhood otherwise it's not Lilith.
>>156033807>embodiment of motherhood otherwise it's not Lilith.>lilith, the babylonian miscarriage demonehehe
>>156033801They'll probably read it in time, just give them a chance to ask questions first.>>156033664But yes, Anon, this theory hinges of Lute's identity being a secret, especially to Adam himself and to Abel. Lute knows, and we think Sera knows and might be involved in the how and why, and maybe Lilith knows, and that's it. Vivziepop has said that she always found it unfair that blame was placed on Eve and she wants to explore that in Hazbin Hotel so we should assume that whatever is going on with her it's a kind of punishment. Eve in Hazbin Hotel is heavily implied to not be a revered figure in-universe.
>Calls Lute the embodiment of feminine rage>Likes a bluesky post saying Eve should kill people with hammersbro
what if Lute was like "I'm no longer Eve, nor Lute... I am Peeve, and I'm peeved off" and she started fucking shit up
To any new Lute/Eve people,,, there's not much to get into. Her VA literally spoiled it on twitter, deleted it, then softly-reconfirmed it AGAIN at a con recently by fist bumping someone who asked about it. And she has literally said Lute is "who we think she is" and that she's "highly motivated by her past."That's it. Case closed. Signed, Looty. Don't go down the rabbit hole.
>>156033894Kino
>>156033843Yeah it's a bit weird seeing so many let's just say optimistic headcanons.
>>156033894Then she proceeded to Lute all over the place until the Eve happened. Then Abel came out as straight.
>>156033951A lot of people seem to base their entire perception of Lilith on the happy family portraits and statements Faustisse made years ago, while conveniently overlooking that the original crew is no longer involved in writing the story and that much of their earlier input may no longer reflect the show's current direction. Rarely anyone questions Viv's own relative silence regarding Lilith. She hasn't said much period, even back during the pilot era. I think the most she's said is about how Lucifer and Lilith are like Morticia/Gomez, but even that I don't think came from her, I think that came from Faustisse.
>>156033983>I think the most she's said is about how Lucifer and Lilith are like Morticia/Gomez, but even that I don't think came from her, I think that came from FaustisseMaybe I'm misremembering but I think it came from one of her helpers and not Viv directly.
what if he showed up at the hotel
>>156034038>What a grand and intoxicating innocence
>>156034038he's lost and confused until he wanders into Imp City and sees a hellhound being sold, then he cries a tear of nostalgia
>>156034094He calls Husk and Alastor nwah.
>>156034038Who is this bionicle
>>156034170>bionicleYou shame your ancestors
>>156034280>my ancestors Adam and Eve?
>>156034345Adam probably played Morrowind and he saw your post
>>156015563So who is this human she’s fucking?
>>156034509Are you new, genuinely? That's Adam from the Bible. Not just human, the First Man, the most human human of them all. And she's probably Eve too.
>>156034535They literally fucked humanity into existence.
>>156034509If you didn't know these two and those two are the same two characters. They usually wear helmets with digital faces but they're human underneath.
"who's this human" he's THE human, my god
So who is this fat chud she’s fucking?
>>156034696Her dead husband
>>156034535>>156034583No I meant Loona.
>>156034755This is the Hazbin Hotel thread. Are you here because the 5 other Helluva Boss threads are talking about Stolas?
>>156034755leave my wife alone
>>156028022I appreciate everything you do and more to come. I don't know if you're tryna be under wraps on Xitter or you're public you're a /co/ user but I mentioned I read it there too all 50 transcripts. I now know Vosk's passions because of these interviews.
>>156034788If you say something particularly insightful Looty screencaps you for the xitter masses. I don't think she gives af
>>156034779I asked about Loona. Why bring up Stolas?>>156034780Tell that to her new boyfriend.
>>156034844our boyfriend, anon. I (6'4'' 12 inches) fuck his butthole whilst Loona uses her strap on his mouth
>>156034815>>156034788Yehhh, I've made moots on there because they frequent here. I post the same shit in both places.
>>156032351I do genuinely wonder how long they could keep this hidden like imagine if S3-4 really are just heavily Vee focused and they somehow manage to stretch the """secret""" 'til season 5.
>>156034894>imagine if S3-4 really are just heavily Vee focused and they somehow manage to stretch the """secret""" 'til season 5.Aaaaauuuuuuuuuuuggghghgggggggh
>>156032456You think Cain is a sinner or rose to Overlord by now if he was denied Heaven?
>>156033983It was Fautisse and not Viv. Viv didn't disagree with it I guess and there's no discounting that they were that way at one point. But they evidently haven't been for a while.
>>156034788Vosk is a qtiepie
>>156034962Please tell me you have a source. Was it a stream?
Hey anons just started watching this show and I can't believe any would like this besides tumblr. The only redeeming character for me is snake bro. He's the only character worth watchingI'll probably continue watch for he
>>156034996Her voice was so perfect Viv just said that's the one.
>>156034815>>156034871Fair.
>>156034815one time she posted me pointing out sera was only looking at lute when she was criticising them in episode six for failing to control the demon's unrest until she looked at adam to fix it, but then she's never shared my posts about adam's luscious fat tits, which are equally important and insightful imo.
>>156035110>which are equally important and insightful imo.Forgive me for not understanding all your wise ways. Speaking of: what happened to the milky Adam tits threads. Those just stopped.
>>156035140idk i think they got killed by all the adamsapple-turned-lucifer haremposting that happened.
>>156035140>>156035169We could bring that back yknow. So long as Lucifer gets none of it. He don't deserve any
>>156035328i hold to the idea that alex brightman's not been told about the lute-eve thing or anything else about adam so his performance is genuinely ignorant of lute's identity while jessica vosk's been told so she can always have that undercurrent of knowing she's THE eve and she's having to put up with this bullshit.
>>156035780If it's real he probably knows by now but I agree he might not have been told at the outset.
Okay so that thing Looty reposted with the pilot panel where they say they're not planning to do any other biblical characters except Lucifer and Lilith has got to be the death knell for Roo!Eve if it's not mega dead already. We know Roo's been around for a long ass time. If Eve wasn't part of this story circa pilot then she's almost certainly not Roo.
>>156037123I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS SHIT FOREVER. The Eve/Roo & Lilith/Roo theories have NEVER made sense because Viv had already discussed Lilith & Roo during the pilot era, yet Eve was conspicuously absent from those conversations. SHE DIDN'T EXIST AT THE TIME. Viv even explicitly stated that Adam was NEVER mentioned in the old livestreams! Adam & Eve were conceived specifically for the series. I wouldn't be surprised if the “leaders of Heaven” depicted in the original pitch bible weren't even intended to be Adam or Lute.
>>156037123>>156037240In fact, that alleged plot point about Eve being Lilith’s twin, supposedly mentioned by Viv during those Discord calls according to a former employee, was probably simply her experimenting with different concepts for Eve before settling on a definitive direction. That would also explain why she seemingly struggled to pin down Adam’s characterization early on.
damn Looty is an actual research schizo. When she wants proof she goes and gets it
>>156037274This sounds very plausible actually
>>156035027I went back deep diving a bit, all deleted. Worth noting, though, that every Lucilith and Lilith fact seems to have come from Fautisse. I can't find any fan notes from streams where Viv said anything about them as a couple or much about Lilith at all. I wonder if "Morticia and Gomez" was even a direct Fautisse quote or just fans taking what they said and making the comparison, then fandom telephone happened.
>>156037736Looty got it lolhttps://x.com/lutesaurus/status/2114136607741841668https://x.com/lutesaurus/status/2114147217523310654https://x.com/lutesaurus/status/2114133284544516231https://x.com/lutesaurus/status/2114139253173293189
>>156037736Faustisse apparently said the comment, and Viv agreed but didn't say anything. It didn't even come from her mouth. Doesn't matter since Viv herself liked a tweet saying that Faustisse stuff is not canon.
>>156037736I went back through some Hunicast streams to and searched transcripts. Nada. Note that Viv has been very consistent with how she talks about Lucifer and his personality. I really don't think he's changed much at all over the years. And damn did Angel and Alastor rule everything back then. There was also a 2019 stream where Lucifer/Alastor art was brought up. Ashley laughed at the idea of shipping them and Viv laughed too but...something about it felt suspicious to me from her. Go figure because I have a question mark on RA but thought it was a very recent development.Other 2019 Viv stream fan notes I thought were slightly intriguing:>Vox is one of the bigger antagonists of the series So that is an older element. I just wonder how they would have worked that in since season 2 wasn't supposed to be the way it was and Lilith arrival got pushed back from the original plans. Makes me wonder what Vox does in future seasons.>There is Lovecraftian type of demons in hell, specifically, the Eldritch family. They are like the aristocrats, with money and influence in hell but not power power. They are not that important to the plot, though.>Vivziepop can’t give information about Rosie or Lilith because they are important to the plotEven back then Rosie was a question mark>Alastor is not afraid of Lucifer, at all >Apple Daddy (Lucifer) is more powerful than Alastor but Alastor is not to be trifled with! The way the hierarchy in Hell works is that demons get their powers by making deals and soul dealing, something that only demons and sinners can do, which Alastor has done a lot to require his powers. This is their own power and angels have their own power that is much powerful than that of a demon. However, where there are rules, there’s ways around said rules and that’s when things get more interesting as the series goes on.I wish I could hear exactly how Viv put this because it could suggest more about what happens between Alastor and Lucifer
>>156037736This is important: do you have a link to the youtube video where Faust supposedly said this?
Keith Fucking David voices Husk?! What the hell I knew I recognized that voice anywhere
>>156039054You're not serious
>>156039061I honestly couldn't tell until episode 4. I just thought there's no way vivzie would hire him
>>156039054Yeah, the president on Rick of Morty.
Has Viv EVER said anything remotely positive about Lilith?
>>156039376I never once got the impression she's a dindu Lucy got heartbroken and stopped dreaming, she thrived in Hell, that scene where he's holding babby Charlie and she just swoons in and takes her from him. Lucy ain't a dindu either btw he's fucking Satan.
>>156038128Nope, all deleted. I found archived automatic transcripts of the youtube stream where Faustisse talks about Lucifer and Lilith being deeply in love and being cheesy lovers, etc, etc and a couple more but at no point in those is there a direct comparison to Morticia and Gomez
>>156039465Yeah, I went down an entire rabbit hole trying to trace the claim back to its source, and there's seemingly no record of either Faustisse or Viv actually making the Gomez and Morticia comparison. Everything I've found is thirdhand information or fandom hearsay. My suspicion is that Viv liking a post about Gomez and Morticia under favorite ship tropes, combined with Faustisse's old comments about Lucifer and Lilith being cheesy and still in love, eventually got conflated into one supposed statement.Regardless, Viv later liked a tweet clarifying that Faustisse's statements aren't canon, so it's a moot point. Lucifer/Lilith shippers are FUCKED.
>>156039525Hilariously, I recall Sam Haft liking someone's tweet related to that exact ship tropes post Viv liked, and it was one talking about how Radioapple could be all of them instead and not about Lucilith.And yeah, I guess the Morticia and Gomez thing was entirely just fandom spreading wrong information. Neither version put forth, Viv saying it or Faustisse saying it while Viv didn't disagree, seems to have actually happened! It doesn't matter even if it was said but it is funny.
Faustisse was also the one who claimed Rosie had never died. If they were involved in developing the alleged Lilith/Rosie/Eve twin-swap concept, I wouldn't be surprised if Viv subsequently scrapped that entire plotline after they left. It certainly wouldn't be the first time she's seemingly discarded or substantially revised story elements associated with former collaborators, particularly those who originally conceived or championed them.Assuming the twin wife swap was ever even a thing in the first place.
What's next for him in the show?
>>156040121Giving Lute/Eve more kids.
Lucilith cope enthusiasts lost
>>156041173They will continue coping until the ship is debunked in the show. Everything we've been told so far about Lilith is not good.
>>156041437I want to see their reaction. I want to watch the moment their hope breaks. To taste the despair on their faces. To bathe in their sadness, anger and resentment.
WHERE ARE THE FUCKING LEAKERS. I CAN'T TAKE THIS SHIT ANYMORE MAN
>>156041713They're in my room having sex with me.
hello
>casually ruins my taste in men forever
>>156041998Can't say Lute because the second dumbass in the picture is literally her son and I fear summoning Sigmund Freud.
>>156016508Imagine her shoving herself up Satan's urethra and burrowing out through his ass
>>156042855
>>156029214It's better than S1, but E6 is fillery as shit
>>156032527>Eve is blondeI can hear Looty's death scream from here
>>156042919>>156032527It is kinda obvious she's gonna be blonde. Like ignoring Viv's obsession with blonde people we do see Abel is blonde. Her also going from blonde to bleached bone white is pretty understandable.
>>156042927Marie Antoinette Syndrome.
>>156039054Keith just seems to enjoy being in shit. He was even in that shitty Smiley YouTuber movie.
>>156042919I WILL STAB YOU
>>156042972Calm down, eyeballtank
>>156042974Listen that one employee said all the Eden humans were designed as white people, including Adam. That motherfucker now has melanin. I have HOPE. You shan't take this away from me.
>>156042986Some white people have melanin that makes them tan. Adam looks like a white guy with a tan in that merch.
>>156042986Even when he has melanin he still reads as white. Like that's the darkest we are ever gonna get. We are getting blonde white woman Eve and you are gonna like it. Then we'll get shitty Agartha edits with Eden humans.
>>156015563This show is highly satanic because it has DEMONS and HOMERSEXUALS
>>156042991And Sera will be Yakub
>>156042994I will have breeding sex with you.
>>156042996Exactly. We need a picture of Pharaoh Adam and Egyptian Queen Eve/Lute with the text "we were monarchs and such".
Quiet everyone or Looty will figure out our white person plot to make her listen to Taylor Swift and eat mac and cheese. shhhh.
>>156043008What we're going to do to Looty.
>>156042991>>156042990
>>156043012>>156043008I rebuke your lies and insults,THAT'S RIGHT. I CAN DO IT TOO.
>>156043014You need to face reality Looty.
>>156043018Shake it off
>>156043012>>156043008you'll all see.
>>156043022>>156043019>>156043012>>156043008>>156042990>>156042991
>>156043018>He lives in you>Hela hey mamela>He lives in me >Hela hey mamela>He watches over>Hela hey mamela>Everything we see>Hela hey mamela
>>156043027Hhihjgjgghfhgfhgthf
>>156043031Still can't believe Kiara is the Speaker of God. I know a bunch of the Spindle team love that movie
>>156043050Zira was so fucking hot dude holy shit
>>156043097Lute's fursona
>>156043099Unf
I always though Adam and Lute!Eve would be cute as fuck as Pongo and Perdy though
>>156043138>My old pet Sera, she told that devil woman off. She told her off, Eve. She's gone. Darling, she's gone for good.
Abel would be Rolly, of course.
Is there any art of Lute!Eve heavily pregnant and with swollen milky tits? Purely for theory reasons.
>>156043453I've seen pregnant art of her but not with milky tits. Seems like post reveal territory. Since only after it's confirmed she's the milf of milfs and a fertility goddess made flesh will that specific art start being made.
>>156043570There isn't nearly enough Adam porn with focus on his swollen balls and huge cumshots for my liking and we already know he's the father of humanity.
>>156043012>That picLMAO
Why is he so skinny?
>>156044406he got sucked into the looksmaxxing orthorexia cult, don't worry lute can fix him :(
>>156043748Again that stuff will probably start appearing once his cute little rib wife is revealed
So who is Faustisse anyway?
>>156044882https://hazbinhotel.fandom.com/wiki/FaustisseA former artist/animator who worked closely with Viv before they parted ways on apparently unfriendly terms, although I'm not entirely sure what happened. A LOT of the information about Lilith that's circulated for years actually comes from Faustisse's old streams, including Lucifer and Lilith supposedly being deeply in love, Lilith's musical preferences, height, powers, etc. A lot of Lilith defenders still rely on those statements, despite Viv herself having said remarkably little about her.Viv has reinforced that Faustisse's statements shouldn't be treated as canon. The fandom's understanding of the story still comes from former employees who are no longer involved with the production. Faustisse is the name you'll see a lot.
>>156045107I feel like Viv may have been thinking through the evolution of the Morningstar plot without informing Faustisse of the extent of it back then or something. They acknowledge that the Morningstar family was a big element of the story but seemed to think Lucilith's dynamic was going to stay static lovey dovey through it, which always would have been a strange concept if the family was the center of the story in any way.Maybe they were just in denial since Viv's choices by the end of their tenure seemed to rankle them. We know the Alastor asexual situation did.
>>156045107I feel bad for pilotfags. It was way fucking worse than what we got but for those who liked it they got stomped on pretty bad. I'm glad I never got attached to the pilot like I am to the full show.
>>156045160I wasn't around for the pilot era or the drama involving former employees, so my understanding is limited to what I've pieced together. But judging by their old streams and interviews, everyone seemed to have a slightly different interpretation of the story. Which is strange, considering Viv was apparently quite the yapper and admitted to spoiling the story with people when she probably shouldn't have. I find it odd that Lilith is supposedly such a major character, yet Viv barely discussed her while Faustisse seemingly had plenty fun fact info to say. It makes me wonder whether Lilith was always more of a narrative device for Charlie and Lucifer, and Faustisse was free to elaborate on her because those details ultimately weren't particularly consequential
>>156045198I understand why people grew attached to the pilot, but I think they placed far too much stock in statements from former employees and the original voice cast. Once Viv announced the changes, people should've reconsidered how much of that old information was still relevant. Some fans continue clinging stubbornly to concepts that have been mostly discarded years ago. They're going to learn the hard way, if they haven't already.
People talk about pilot Alastor like he's the second coming of Jesus
>>156045266Personally, I really liked pilot Alastor. Don't get me wrong, I'm under no illusion that he was ever supposed to be some ridiculously powerful, untouchable figure. A lot of people seem convinced that his bravado being largely bullshit is a recent development, which is ridiculous. What I miss is the particular aura he had in the pilot. His mannerisms, his theatricality, his charm, his voice. There was something genuinely distinctive about his presence, and I do think they had something special with him. Charlie, too, although I suppose changes to her characterization were inevitable given how much of Viv's self-insert she is.I genuinely think they fumbled Alastor in the series, and again, that has absolutely nothing to do with his contract with Rosie or the revelation that he isn't nearly as powerful as he pretends to be. My issue is with his characterization overall. He lost much of what made him so distinctive and started feeling almost interchangeable with the rest of the cast. In the pilot, Alastor stood out. In the series, I don't think he does anymore.
>>156015563Niffty is best girl. Post her, if you could.
>>156045303He was just some guy to me
You won't post niffty? Fine. I'll draw her.Being. Lewd.
>>156045311Niffty isn't that popular of a character especially in the Hazbin Hotel General.
>>156045377Post it her when you're done. I wanna see it.
>>156045377Ok sure
>>156045396That little gremlin tries way too hard. She's like every Tumblr crazy girl oc put into one
>>156045424She's too lolrandom.
More time has passed between Season 2 and now than the time between Season 1 and the Gravity leak.
>>156045604This is so fucking miserable. Last year I had the gravity leak and season 2 episode to hold me over. What the fuck. I'm also surprised there hasn't been any leaks about who Lilith's voice actress is.
>>156045604If there isn't a Season 3 or 4 leak I'm going to throw a temper tantrum in Viv's DMs and her social media posts.
>>156045640But Anon in like 3 days you get to watch Stolas' date with Vassago! YAY YIPPEE!
>>156045653Eughhhhhhhh.Well, Sam did say that once the entirety of season 3 of helluva airs, We can expect hazbin. But who knows when part 2 of season 3 is going to air
>>156045653In 3 days Octavia is going to finally turn 18 and I'll have a new character to goon too.
>>156045678They're going to drag it out extra long and leave it on another cucked Blitzo cliffhanger. In all seriousness I thought I heard Stolas Sex Show comes back in Jan/Feb but don't quote me on that.
Monkeys paw: Hazbin leaks tomorrow but it's a Vox x Valentino sex scene that makes the fandom explode in discourse over if Vox can consent with no body
>>156045311I think I still have that R34 audio of her hypnotizing and fucking Sera saved somewhere
>>156045799Don't put that evil on me
>>156045799Honestly not that bad. Have the fandom lose it's shit over meaningless crap.
>>156045839We got the incredible Gravity leak for a season of Vox filler. Since next season will have Eden next leak will be Veeslop, trust
>>156045647And they say space king fans are neurotic
>>156045647We should tell Hot Topic about this
It feels great to be excited for Hazbin Hotel to be honest. I haven't felt excited and impatient for a silly media fandom thing in a long time. That's how I know it's good.
>>156046016What do you even like about it. To me this show isn't good at all
>>156046038I like the music and the characters and their designs and their relationships and the lore and the plot. And I like discussing theories and reading other's observations on /co/.
Boy am I excited to see Blonde White Woman Lute/Eve. Just can't wait.
>>156046413FUCK YOU
>>156046533Nah you brought this upon yourself. It is justice.
So I'm finally finishing up Hazbin Season One. Why can Adam shoot Masenkos from his fingers?
>>156046797He's an Archangel. In this universe angels outpower demons massively. Even Alastor, the most powerful Overlord, wouldn't be expected to take on an Archangel.
>>156046839Viv confirmed Heavenly creatures are more powerful than Hell ones.
>>156046413Honestly I picture dirty blonde or brunette.
>>156045303I wonder if they originally weren't going to give Alastor much of an emotional journey or character growth and now they are. So much so that his asexuality discovery is apparently a "journey." I can see them just wanting him to be a fun Cheshire cat type in the past and now they're doing the whole break him down to build him up thing, so he's a lot more petty, vulnerable, and human than in pilot era.
>>156047041Blonde
>>156046085I'm with you on some of the characters (namely Adam and Sir Pentious) and their designs. Lore and plot can go anywhere for all I care because it's pretty bad
>>156046982Based. Fuck Hell.
>>156045799Any leaks will be Angel's family that nobody cares about, just watch.
>>156046016Season 3 seems like it'll be much more up my alley than 2 and actually get into storylines I care about so I'm interested to see if it lives up to Viv's hype.
>>156047532I care about him, and I'm not even gay.
>>156047559Are you sure about that you queer?
>>156047559I like Angel fine, I just don't care about exploring his family.
Holy shit fast board today.
>>156048723No need to be mean.
>>156048883Mean how?
>>156048723?????
>>156048995The board, /co/, is very fast today so this thread is moving to page 10 much faster than normal.
Sorry it took a moment. New pencils.
>>156049208Hoemstuck
>>156048995Oh shit, I responded to the wrong thing. I meant to respond to the guy who said you were being mean
>>156048883?????
>>156049218>He knows
Welp time to draw Solaire and Emily.
>>156049208Cute
Day 6568843633 and Viv still has not liked any shippy Lute and Abel fan art.
>>156049582Lute is a strange, strange woman but one thing she won't do is fuck her son.
>>156049582Yet she was liking romantic Adam x Lute art of them in their BFF outfits shortly after the BFF merch released while the masses declared it dead. Interesting
>>156049685Abel is the son that probably takes more after her physically. She's not that egotistical.
>>156049731>while the masses declared it deadThe people are retarded.
How can Lilith be the feminist icon when Lute created Abel to be femanon's perfect boyfriend?
The autism forced me. I could not resist.
>>156051708I like your drawings.
Leaked Eve!
>>156051811Thank you. That means a lot. I wish my tablet was in a better state to digitize, but being traditional has been nice, actually.
>>156051708This one got a smile out of me
>>156051953I just need a better phone camera but I'd be posting traditional drawings too.
What is she screaming about?
>>156053997Lookit her puppy nose
>>156051896That's how she looked after giving birth.
>>156045826Funnily enough I still have the link open in one of my tabs. Still wondering who exactly stuff like that is appealing to, since to me it was sleep-inducing.
>>156055503I remember this, it was from a black Eve coper. Oh how the turntables....
(Demonic Uterus Anon here. Sorry I haven’t updated in a while. Had a family member who had a stroke. He’s alive but honestly it’s going to take a LOT of speech therapy to get his voice understandable again. Thrown off my rhythm at present. I do plan to continue the Victory Orgy 2 chapter)
>>156055848Sorry to hear that man. Understandable that it would throw you. Take it easy.
Black Eve OCs are usually the biggest Mary-Sues of the bunch. The Lilith clones, boring as they are, tend to get at least a little more complexity.
>>156055503I like to throw Looty a bone and imagine it's from her version where Eve was more tan/darker skinned.
>>156055912Just how many Lilith clone Eves are there? I just remembered one off the top of my head from that one person still coping that Eve=Roo.
>>156055937Eve's going to be a blonde white woman. It's happening.
Viv tends to do the woke casting for race thing, right? Vosk is white ergo so is Eve.
>>156055957Oh I know I just try to be nice to her. Till she drops some absolute heresy and I need to make her suffer for it.
>>156055976Maybe? Really the biggest question is if Husk is black. Idk what Amir is.
>>156055957
>>156055987So is Stella (in bird form)
>>156055503AS IT SHOULD BE.
>>156055987Looty repent for your sins and perhaps your wish of tan brunette Eve might happen.
>>156055995Oh ho we have her on the ropes now. Prepare the Golden Girls boxset and tater tot casserole.
>>156055987>FUCK YOUFuck you, leather man.
>>156056015I'll bring the coleslaw
>>156055949Something I always like to remind people of is that an artist currently working on Helluva Boss has publicly shared artwork depicting Eve as a Lilith clone. HOWEVER, she's explicitly stated that it's her personal headcanon and has even laughed about people citing her artwork as canon. What gives me hope is that, even if she hasn't seen Eve's official design, I'd imagine Viv would discourage a current employee from publicly sharing artwork that closely resembles an unrevealed character's actual appearance. Obviously, that's no guarantee, but it does make me cautiously optimistic that Eve won't simply be a carbon copy of Lilith.
>>156055976No she tends to do that for sexualities/gender identities. ie. trans VAs for trans charas
>>156056048And it's so based of her
>>156055998..... I'll consider it.>>156056015Give me that tater tot casserole. Funny: I just finished binge-watching Golden Girls not too long ago.
>>156056035
>>156056060Then it's working.
>>156056035Obviously she not gonna be a carbon copy of Lilith. She's the downsized rib pocket pussy edition. Built for easy movement and extra grip. Disclaimer!!!! DO NOT wash her. Either use wipes or specific cleaner products.
>>156056084She also may bite.If she really is Lilith 2.0 (pocket pussy travel size edition) that's actually REALLY fucked up by the angels/Elders/Sera. Could explain why Lute has that cowlick like Lilith.She's the youngest sister out of the three Eden siblings: Lilith and Adam being the elder twins.
>>156056100>If she really is Lilith 2.0 (pocket pussy travel size edition) that's actually REALLY fucked up by the angels/Elders/Sera. Could explain why Lute has that cowlick like Lilith.They probably had some specific idea in mind and Lilith and Eve simply followed that template. Like if Adam fucked off and Lilith stayed I do wonder if her rib man would be a shorter dude that kinda looks like Adam(even having the same hair colour but getting Lilith's purple eyes).
>>156055890(I appreciate it. Thank you very much)
Is Adam (and Abel) a plot by Vivziepop to turn women into Architects who want to fatten up men?
Looty I'm pretty sure it's gonna be revealed Eve didn't sleep with Lucifer because Viv likes him and he's her cute yaoi baby but also understands the fandom will immediately claim he raped her. It just tanks his reputation so she won't do that. Mostly saying that here because I don't use twitter.
>>156056284Oh no, I 100% don't think they were a thing. Apparently I'm one of the few that thinks it was more than obvious that Lucifer was just goading Adam. But people REALLY think he was being serious.Now, *i* personally ship Lucifer/Eve(Lute) because I love me drama. But no I don't believe they canonically slept together. Lute hates his ass: she fucking lied about him ("He was under the command of the Morningstar, the first fallen angel and his daughter!")
>>156056304>ship Lucifer/Eve(Lute) because I love me dramaOkkk I guess. But I was talking about why Viv probably wouldn't do that. She has some very specific patterns and seems weirdly good at avoiding the controversial shit or stuff that might create big controversy from the fandom being retarded.Plus I could see her having Lucifer explain he didn't do that so if RA shenanigans happen it seems more pure and so it makes sense if he's been always on Lilith's leash and Alastor is his first taste of freedom (plus the classic Fujo mentally of keeping their favourite men away from women).
>>156056284They're also going to claim Adam raped her
>>156056379>Okkk I guess. But I was talking about why Viv probably wouldn't do that.Guy, I said I PERSONALLY ship it. Not claiming it’s canon, that it’s likely to happen, or that it stands a chance of happening (there's not). I’m fully aware that Viv wouldn’t go in that direction, and I AGREE. My personal shipping preferences have nothing to do with what I expect from the actual narrative.
See, this is exactly why I rarely discuss my personal headcanons, ships, or things I’d simply like to see happen. Regardless of which side of the fandom I’m talking to, people somehow interpret my preferences as predictions about the story. Apparently, saying I enjoy a particular ship or character means I’m convinced the writers are going to make it canon. Oy vey.
>>156056393They can claim that but it immediately becomes irrelevant/bullshit the moment you see she loves Adam. That's the thing. If a guy said he had sex with a woman and she loves and cares about the guy it doesn't read as rape. If a guy said he had sex with a woman and that respective woman hates him, has mental issues, is apparently scared of him, is constantly racked with guilt and loves a very specific different guy it reads more as rape or grooming. Add on to that how she was vulnerable and being the youngest of the bunch in the garden you don't need to be a genius to come to that conclusion.
>>156056411You have weird taste.
>>156056458Broski you have NO idea the true depths of my depravity (;
>>156056463I don't wanna know honestly.
>>156056472I concur. The world isn't ready.
>>156056479Please keep it a secret for the sake of the world.
>>156056487Of course.
>>156056431I think they're just ribbing (lol) ya
>>156056491You guys know you have to spell things out for me. I'm on the tism (literally) & an idiot. The amount of times people get shocked when I tell them Lute isn't my favorite character IS very funny though.
>>156056448>Add on to that how she was vulnerable and being the youngest of the bunch in the garden you don't need to be a genius to come to that conclusion.Nah, they're going to claim Adam took advantage of her for exactly that.
>>156056511The Lute larpers and Adam haters will bend over backwards to say whatever bad thing they can come up with. It's gonna get worse if it turns out she's Eve. Just be ready for it. Technically you can already argue he's a rapist because he tried to, according to the story, demand control (this can be read as rape). Obviously the visuals don't convey that though and I feel Viv making him over the top sexist dudebro is supposed to make us believe that.He'll be the softest sweetest boy in Eden, probably.
Neither Adam nor Eve are actually white but primordial soup people with genes from every race. That's how they can baby gacha for all the different colored babies in our world today. It's like Mew. However, think anon, what color is Mew? Yes, it's pink
>>156056560Looty drop the cope. Just accept it. It's healthier.
>>156056560THANK YOU. I'VE SAID THIS SO MANY TIMES. "But Abel's blonde!1" there's so many paintings depicting Adam and Eve as not white and they have white, black and brown as kids.Them making Adam tanner in the merch gives me HOPE
>>156056576I'm not Looty I'm just giving you a helpful biology lesson
>>156056576That actually wasn't me,
>>156056526Thing is post reveal it will go from "those guys might have a point" to "those guys are severely delusional and just have a hate boner" in the general fandom. Like people will stop taking them as seriously plus they will start receiving mockeries.
>>156056584>>156056588Damn. Still. You guys think Viv has enough ball knowledge for genetic soup humans to create rainbow children? I don't think so.
>>156056581I love love love the idea of Adam and Eve as almost eldritch ancient people and them being technically raceless fits with that
What if black people came about when one of Adam and Eve's descendants fucked a seraphim? Abel's biggest regret was it wasn't him
https://youtu.be/A7IiZIjMS8s - I'm getting more convinced on Roo being Rosie.>>FANS WENT WILD WHEN YOU CONNECTED ROO TO THE EYES. DID YOU EXPECT THAT & HAS SHE BEEN WATCHING EVERYTHING THIS WHOLE TIME?Viv: I can't give much away about Roo, but what's exciting to me about her is she's a character that I've had for so long, I've conceptualized for so long, & I think when she eventually shows up, she's probably not going to be what people expect. & I think that's what I'm excited about. The way she carries herself, her characterization, it has a lot of— I don't know, I don't think it's going to be what people expect from such an evil character, but I also think the beauty of her is the fact that she ultimately isn't a real person. She's an entity, & I wanted to have fun with the concept of an entity that doesn't really have one identity & is having to manipulate & mask & go around & operate in its own unique way. So I'm really excited for people to see the characterization of her, but obviously I cannot give away what she is, what she secretly— any of those lore— those theories. I think those are great. I didn't realize that revealing the eyes thing, so I apologize, but at the same time I was like, "I think it's kind of obvious?" & we've dropped a lot of hints to her, so I had this post where I was like, "Yeah, there's all this stuff that's been setting her up, so I don't know why she's shocking to exist," but I think it's just going to be fun to have her in the show once she makes her appearance.>>THERE ARE SO MANY THEORIES ABOUT ROO. WHAT CAN YOU ACTUALLY TELL US ABOUT HER?Viv: I think so. I think the fact that the eyes are everywhere in the show, the implication is that she is seeing everything this whole time, so she really knows all these characters & has a way of playing them that is unique to her because she's been almost like the audience. She's been observing the show, so it's a fun little detail in that way.
>>156056833Rosie being Roo, Lilith being Lilith and Lute being Eve is the exact combination of mystery bitches I'm hoping for so big if true.
>>156056833Well damn. I guess Roo X Rosie and Eve X Lute aren't really ships and more just masturbation cases.
>>156056859This plus Roo as Charlie's real mom.
>>156056875I mean it's does actually explain it. We know Roo probably has some hand in Charlie's creation and Rosie is described as motherly. Like it fits.
>>156056859>>156056875Even during the pilot era, Lilith was largely absent from discussions about the show's lore, aside from the occasional trivia Faustisse shared about her. When Viv was directly asked whether Lucifer and Lilith were Charlie's biological parents, she refused to answer, which makes me wonder whether the real mystery surrounding Lilith has always been her maternity.Roo has been openly acknowledged by Viv for years, albeit with very little elaboration. Her association with the embodiment of Evil has seemingly been part of her conception from the beginning, and a former pilot employee even suggested that Evil played some role in Charlie's creation.Rosie's abilities remain conspicuously unexplored despite Viv indicating that we'll eventually learn more about her.Lute, whose background appears to be under particularly tight wraps, especially considering Jessica's recent, repeated reminders that she's bound by an NDA and doesn't want to get fired.I think.... Lilith isn't Charlie's biological mother. Roo is. Rosie is either Roo herself or, more plausibly, someone acting on her behalf, potentially occupying a role similar to the one Alastor has with Rosie. Lute is Eve.What do we think? Think I solved it?
What will we have left to talk about once the identities of the three mystery bitches are revealed?
>>156056891Adam's ability to breed.
>>156056890>I think.... Lilith isn't Charlie's biological mother. Roo is. Rosie is either Roo herself or, more plausibly, someone acting on her behalf, potentially occupying a role similar to the one Alastor has with RosieOnce again Lute/Eve birth mogs Lilith. The Gigastacy mother of humanity Vs the virgin first woman. Lilith bears the shame of a dry wilted unused womb.
>>156055957>>156055976>>156047208I see the vision.
>>156056891CainSeth Gabriel Michael
>>156055848Post the whole picture.
>>156056932>Set, Gabriel, MichaelWe probably won't get those guys. I'm maybe expecting Cain because he's so popular and has potential interactions with Eve and Abel.
>>156056949I might be in the minority here but I think Cain's going to be a twink bordering on femboy who looks even more like Lute than Abel does especially if they get someone like Gerard Way to voice him
>>156056949Yeah, Cain I feel is plausible. Seth is the third child that follows Abel's death if they had all three children.
>>156056968>twink bordering on femboyWould he still be granted access to Heaven or a sinner for the first murder? He'd have to be an ancient sinner too.
>>156056891Probably whatever other new content there is in the remaining seasons.
>>156056997They could go with the immortal wanderer story. Where he's still alive and walking the earth.
>>156056968Honestly I'm expecting twinkish/skinny guy but I think he might resemble Adam more and most certainly have brown hair. Abel kinda takes after Lute/Eve and once we see her with blonde hair it becomes even more obvious. Plus it would be an interesting parallel if Abel is a twisted reflection of Eve while Cain is a twisted reflection of Adam.
I can't decide. What do the amazing people on /co/ think? #1 or #2?
>>156057160#1
>>156057160#3 Looty is a tranny cock lover.
>>156057209Did I miss anything?
>>156057160>Lilith as Charlie's motherThere is a big mystery surrounding why even in Dad Beat Dad we didn't see her face, and in all her appearances-proper, we haven't seen her eyes, which in the show-proper are purple, so I'd say it's certainly plausible that Lilith isn't her full mother.>Roo is involved in Charlie's progenyOn some level, yes, given the weird hand thing Charlie did in The Show Must Go On when catching Adam's punch. Her actually being Charlie's mother feels like it's entering wife swap territory, however.>Rosie's roleI've talked about this a lot when discussing mysteries like why Alastor and Lilith absconded at the same time, how much Alastor know's about Rosie's plans, and why she is interested in the Hotel or Charlie. While I can't say for certain that she's Roo or working for her, I definitely believe that she is working for a greater power, if not one herself.
>>156057232Roo stuff:>>156056833
>>156057232I don't think so. I was just fooling around lol.
>>156057160I'll go with 1
>>156057265We also have to take into account that in the patreon within the last 2 years, Viv did confirm that Lilith is a fallen angel.It was explained here that wife swap in of itself is not a problem, we just don't think it's eve that's involved. There is absolutely some shit going down with Roo thoughtI think Rosie is to Roo, as Alastor is to Rosie.
>>156057266Was mostly asking about the tranny cock part
>>156057298Oh. I have no idea why they'd say that about me lol
>>156057303Maybe the Lucifer shipping bit? He is a fan favourite of pooners.
>>156057309Is he really? I thought it was because I love Roo/Evil and Viv just said she can put on masks, presumably shapeshift, so I thought it was in reference to that.>>156057265>feels like it's entering wife swap territory, howeverhttps://x.com/lutesaurus/status/2114629685032411237?s=20They've just alluded to a potential swap theory of some kind, technically. If there's any swap, it's with Roo.
>>156052123Can I see what you have made?
>>156057322Lilith is the OG Cuckqueen and got cucked on both ends by Eve and Roo respectively. It's why Roo is so interested in Alastor. He is another champion for the Lilith cuckening.
>>156057298>>156057303>>156057309I'm just taking the piss.
>>156057288>It was explained here that wife swap in of itself is not a problem, we just don't think it's eve that's involved. There is absolutely some shit going down with Roo thoughThat, I agree with, even if I don't necessarily think Lilith is some secret ulterior character like Roo (I could be wrong, as my theories going into season 2 were proven catastrophically wrong by said season, lmao).>I think Rosie is to Roo, as Alastor is to RosieThat's where I stand as well, and is why I'm interested in knowing how much Alastor is actually aware of Rosie/Roo's plans, given how annoyed he was in It's A Deal about having to go to ground for 7 years after whatever caused Lilith to abscond to Heaven.>>156057322>They've just alluded to a potential swap theory of some kind, technically. If there's any swap, it's with Roo.I find that a lot more plausible than wife swap with Eve, though I have yet to figure out the angles of how it fits together. I mean, if that's true, does that mean that technically Lute is one of the protagonists?
>>156057322I had this creepy idea that Roo pretends to be someone else not so she can manipulate and hurt people but because lying is evil. I also had this idea that every time someone writes fiction they are giving Roo power and Roo uses fiction to cause evil because again lying is evil.
I have this insane theory I bring up occasionally, but it's hard to explain without sounding crazy. Basically, I still think Lute is Eve, but what if Eve's silhouette in the storybook is actually Roo's? Since we're seeing Lilith & Lucifer's version of events, Roo may have inserted herself into their account of what happened, possibly with Lilith's knowledge. That doesn't mean Roo was literally Eve or that the events happened exactly as depicted. When we eventually get the REAL flashback, we'd see Lute. It's just specifically for the story book that we are seeing Roo as Eve.Think of Steven Universe, where the silhouette used to represent Rose Quartz didn't match her actual appearance once the truth came out. Same idea. And I say that because the smile and all that. Viv also liked a post with fan art of Roo where she has that same Eve smile.Does any of that make sense? Sorry, it's 3 AM.
>>156057389I'm probably reaching. But I'm also counting on the fact that Charlie's storybook is not meant to be taken at face value so I assume the visuals aren't either.
>>156057393The fandom is incapable of understanding this fact.
>>156057434It's funny because Viv liked to post saying exactly that.
>>156057438*a post
>>156057366Honestly I'm waiting to see if the vague poster is right about that Lilith and Adam flashback and to see what exactly they discuss in that scene. Depending on how things go impersonator/imposter Roo might be a thing and I might get a theory going.
>>156057438she did?
>>156057493Crazy idea: Roo is actually one of the members of the main cast like Alastor, Angel Dust, Niffty or even Vaggie and has been fucking with everyone since the beginning.
>>156057671I more imagine she transforms into somebody specific and then purposely stirs shit.
>>156057709Sometimes they might be subtle or play the long game.
>>156055746>Still wondering who exactly stuff like that is appealing to, since to me it was sleep-inducing.Lolicons probably
>>156057844I won't go so far as to call them all lolicons but nifftyfags are ALWAYS edgelords.
>>156057995Objectively correct statement
>>156033983Man, remember when it was assumed Vaggie was just some sinner? Those sure were the days.
>>156033983Stop, I'm starting to get excited for what a shitbag Lilith will turn out to be, and the constant tears on all sides in response to that plus Adam being accidentally vindicated (despite Viv's best efforts). How dare you tempt me towards unironically enjoying this show.
>>156057844>>156057995Niffty genuinely looks like a loli. I would not be shocked if she attracts actual lolicons.
>>156058132>well of course she's awful she was made to match adam, so it's not her fault!rest assured there will always be a way to blame adam.
>>156058212Remember, women are never responsible for their actions it's always a man that is responsible.
>>156058212>well of course she's awful she was made to match adam, so it's not her fault!Then Heaven should literally kiss the ground Lute/Eve walks on because she's definitely a saint in comparison and probably kept Adam in line. She actually listens and cares about Heaven's order. Built that woman a statue you cowards.If Lilith and Adam actually worked out I bet they would have been a complete nightmare for the angels. Like constant headaches plus Lilith wouldn't reign in Adam like Lute/Eve probably did.
>>156058132Viv loves Adam and loves his relationship with Lute, it's not a secret. I'm expecting Adam x Lute/(Eve) to be endgame on the 'Viv likes it' ticket.
I'm curious how many "S3 Hb is terrible" videos will we get this time? Probably a lot.
>>156056084>DO NOT wash herI hear she tends to bite if you attempt to wash
>>156058426Obviously. The feminist icon and funny comic relief asshole.
>>156057275>i go through the pains of childbirth for this little brat, and he ends up looking exactly like his father
>>156058977He actually looks more like his mother but knowing Eve she probably hoped he would look like a little Adam. Thought that might have been Cain.
>>156058997I think Seth's the mini Adam.
>>156059578Abel is a combo of Adam and Eve but leans more towards Eve Cain is a combo of Adam and Eve but leans more towards Adam Seth looks like a literal clone of his dad. His mom's genes got lazy here.
>>156059690Adam's genes pulled a Hear My Hope on Lute's with Seth and told them to stop making fruity boys.
>>156059972given abel's canonically straight does that imply cain is gay?
>>156060451Probably not. Maybe Abel and Cain look a bit twinkish/not that manly compared to Adam and Seth.
Niffty my Japanese bug queen. I'll fermalize your eggs.
>New Roo infoOhhhh Roo!Eve is like, DEAD dead.
>>156062370It was already dead. People were just coping.
Anyone else hoping this surge of new info means Season 3 might not be crazy far off now?
>>156062673Maybe.
>>156062370Awesome I need context.
>>156062761https://x.com/lutesaurus/status/2114629685032411237Looty has the goods as always
I think part of the reason people are missing all the Eve flags on Lute is they're looking for the wrong symbolism. They're looking for apples, which are shared among like 4-5 other characters already. If you start looking for something which is UNIQUELY Eve - Adam's rib/blood/bones - suddenly she has a lot of it.
>>156062471>>156062370Actually, people are using this as evidence that she is Eve because Viv indirectly confirmed that she can shapeshift and mask as other characters. People won't let go of this until they see it on screen
>>156063026Yepppp. I've been saying that. People want able to call her mom, they want her to hold an apple, they want her to... I don't know, have flashbacks to Eden or something? Which is kind of funny because that one scene where Lilith is holding her phone with Lute's name on it, next to the apple slices could be used as symbolism. But I don't really read these things very well. But yeah. 100%. People are looking for the wrong clues.
>>156063057Why would she bother being Eve for 10,000 years if she could be anyone else at any time?
A long time ago, during the pilot era, Viv did say that the Exorcists are controlled by forces beyond the heaven and hell, and she implied evil/Roo has something to do with it. Someone raised a good theory on Twitter, about how she selected Vox and Alastor, what with all the eye symbolism in their human lives, on Al's shield, and how Rosie pointed out that his soul was apparently special A lot of Lute's general Motif is red and blood, all the way since season 1. That Roo is her Adam hallucination.
>>156063072I don't care if it's schizo the part in Gravity where she sings 'the only soul who's ever completed you' and pulls the shard out of Adam's chest screams THIS IS EVE!!!!!! in giant neon letters. It's completely unsubtle Eve symbolism. Like it's one of the like only two things Eve does in the Bible: get made out of Adam's rib.
Also Gravity itself is a nod to the Fall of Man
>>156063135Fun fact: In the Castilian Spanish version of Gravity, Lute says>>"No saben, no, quién onions de verdad,">> "They don't know, no, who I really am,"
>>156063305Argh typo. Not ONIONS, ONIONS,>>No saben, no, quién onions de verdad,
>>156063323Hahahaha. It's a word filter, it's not you. Think for a couple seconds why that word might get filtered
Oh wait, it's a 4chan thing. Why the fuck does it change it from s.oy to onions?
>>156063323>>156063305Okay well there we have it I guess. She said onions.
>>156063336Lmao
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