>>35025244
>How to Get Women
1. Live in a place with women.
2. Mog the local men.

That's it. None of this PUA garbage helped anyone besides the dating coaches and their wallets.

If you're a manlet, move to a SEA shithole where you will mog everyone there.

I have joined a dance class and I met a girl I pretty much like. When we've coupled together we keep eye contact and have quite a good vibe.

After the classes we sometimes hit the drinks with a couple of other friends and we joke a lot. The problem is we're never alone.

I don't wanna invite her out and if she refuses having to continue taking dance classes because of the weirdness. But I really think we might be clicking together.

No idea what to do. Any tips?

>>35025422
bee yourself. always comes down to that at the end.
in the meantime you have a built in safe entry point, retard. ask her to meet up an hour early to work on some steps youre struggling with

>>35025422
why would it be weird to continue taking dance classes because she declined a date? that is a retarded take. are you only taking this dance class so that you can date this specific girl? it's only weird in your head. girls are usually flattered when invited to a date, even if they decline because they are already dating someone or are not interested in you romantically. also why do you feel the need to be alone with her to bring the conversation further? you can talk one on one with her even in a group. show interest in her, her life, her past, etc. then invite her for a drink at another time. stop overcomplicating things

>>35025286
you don't even have to mog but yes being around women is pretty much a guarantee to get one

Been dating a woman for a month and I asked her to be my girlfriend yesterday and she accepted. She's my first girlfriend and I'm 34 years old.
The best thing about having a girlfriend is the steady supply of sex IMO.

Basically I went from incel/redpill idiot to gf. AMA.

Are your chances with women in their mid-20s probably over if you're bald and in your mid-30s no matter how much you self-improve?

>>35025286
>2. Mog the local men.
This is easier than it sounds. Most dudes are anxious and entitled.
Just by being cool, treating women with respect and making your intentions clear you already mog 90% of men.

>>35025785
Some women hate bald guys. Some women don't care or even like bald guys. Age isn't as relevant as you think in this case. Stop thinking in retarded absolutes.

>>35025779
how did you meet her?
congrats

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>>35025630
>anon joined a dance class and met the women of his dreams
>but he's about to find out...
>that asking her out...
>is harder than it looks.

>>35025798
Statistical probability is a thing. Only so many young women.

>>35025779
How old is she?

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>>35026993 >>35036349

>see tomboy with berserk tattoo at run club, doesnt talk to anyone, always at the edge of the group, shows up right before we start and leaves almost immediately after
We talked a bit last week and she seemed excited to know i would be there this week, but she just did the same not talk to anyone and leave after a few minutes again. I did have a short convo with her during the run but we were doing different routes so we didnt stay together. I thought maybe when she was done we would talk, idk why i pussied out of just saying something myself, maybe i didnt want to be too tryhard always coming up to her. I walked by at one point but she didnt say anything. What am i doing wrong? How do you deal with shy women?

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>>35033719

Do I get back on dating apps? I'm trying to go out and be more sociable, but I feel like I'm leaving opportunities on the table. I havent used them in a few months because I saw my ex who kinda cheated on me early this year and it fucked me up again.

I also need good pictures but don't know what to use as an example and have no friends to take them. My current photos are all me playing music on stage which sounds sick, until you realize I had hinge for 3 months and got no likes or matches. Atp im gonna have to get my camera and tripod and do something on my own but i dont know what pictures will get me interest

>>35025800
Tinder
>>35025932
40

>>35026144
Please be trolling, else youre gonna get cooked

>started talking a woman for a while
>one day shes really flirty with me
>the next day doesnt talk to me at all
>2 days later she said she hasnt been feeling well and got her period and wont be around for a while

man everytime things start looking up for me something goes wrong

>>35025286
I'm close to pulling the trigger. I am 6ft, maybe a 6 or 7, have hobbies, a great body, but never have luck with white women. Just Asian women. Some of them doctors. They all hope on hinge in September so I missed the boat this season

Idk why its like this

>>35025244
FYI this thread is #370 if we want to maintain the numerical continuity going forward
And this was the previous >>34975480

>just go out more
where? its cold outside now

>>35026160
Why would I be trolling?

>>35026144
oooof how old are you?

I feel so much better after jacking off

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>>35026610

>>35026269
put on a jacket and go meet girls wearing cute winter outfits fuckin hell

One of the most important things when dating is to stick to the idea that you simply are just a person who is trying to be decent. Don't act like you are the shit like some people here do. You are simply someone who is just trying to be a decent person.

>>35026475
when its dark out? are you serious?

>>35025785
"hair systems" (I just call it a hairpiece) actually work. Women started flirting with me after I got it.
If you're skull bald it's also a type. The only real mistake is trying to fight the norwood reaper on his own turf.

When you get a girl's number from an app, do you usually call her or just text her? I'm just starting to match with women now for the first time and got a number already, but i'm retarded. I've been texting but i'm wondering if I should call some of my matches eventually for the first contact off the app.

>>35025795
This is some of the best advice in this thread and it’s ignored. Making your intention clear immediately sets you above most men. You have to make it immediately clear that this is sexual. This is easier said than done for many men. Many think just by approaching that is enough but it’s not, you have to give “I want to fuck you” energy WHILE also not appearing desperate, playing it cool as you said.
Too much shame around expressing your sexuality. I want to fuck you but I don’t need you, communicates you are not desperate and have options. But nonetheless you will fuck her. Can’t be doing weak ass approaches IRL or online, you have to show you’re cool and not desperate while showing you’re sexual but able to keep things fun/non-sexual at the same time (don’t look like a fucking gooner). Very few guys are actually doing this and the ones that are have unlimited girls basically.

>there's a girl in the group I asked out but she said no
>she's so nice that I'm finding it impossible to know where she's actually at with me.
>started acting like she's made of glass because other than the actual rejection (which was feather light) she's never said a negative word to me.
>but actions speak louder than words and she also never seeks me out, which makes me schizo that it's an act for some reason
It's an extremely weird spot to be in. Is there a way to read her mind a little more accurately?

>>35026752
She said no, and never seeks you out, that should be enough.
I was told no once years ago and then she manufactured bridges nonstop towards me, it was a functional no at the time because she wasn't ready, not because she wanted to.

This particular girl is just worried about your feelings and concept of her, not really interested.

>>35026761
>She said no, and never seeks you out, that should be enough.
I understand that loud and clear, I'm more trying to figure out how genuine her feelings of friendship are. Probably genuine but I'm getting schizo like I said.
>I was told no once years ago and then she manufactured bridges nonstop towards me, it was a functional no at the time because she wasn't ready, not because she wanted to.
That's sort of how it is, can you elaborate?

>>35026775
>That's sort of how it is
You literally just said she never seeks you out.
This woman was making excuses to be with me and seeking me and opening up, the interest was always there, but not her head (at the time).


Just ride it out and see how she behaves, you're not her therapist, if she wants a friendship it'll happen or die out, doesn't matter much which is why you always ask out asap.

>>35026782
Oh I misunderstood what you meant by manufactured bridges.
>why you always ask out asap.
I did, most of our friendship is after I asked her out...
Which makes me realize I'm being irrational, nobody's running a months long con to protect feelings.
Maybe I'm the one who needs a therapist.

ANSWER ME, COWARDESS

>>35025963
i dunno if women are allowed to give their two cents in here but as a very timid woman myself, you need to be persistent but not in an overwhelming or creepy way. maybe consistent is a better word, but shy women also can get overwhelmed by that. you guys only see each other at the run club so i don't think you need to worry about that yet. shy girls need more time to build up the courage to reciprocate or decide how they'll proceed, and need more signals than the average woman that you're interested. she probably was disappointed you didn't talk to her.

>>35026993
Sincere viewpoints from women are helpful, the reason women's dating advice for men is so looked down upon is when it's
>just bee urself
or
>be glad people are ignoring you, having too many options sucks :(

>>35026993
Women insight is crucial or it just becomes a bunch of incels and some dudes actually trying to help.

>>35026414
Have you read my first post? I'm 34.

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>>35026782
Speaking of this kind of shit, wondering if anyone got any insight here.

I've posted about this before, I'm the retard that has been in this weird limbo with a girl.
TL;DR
>She chased and kept getting close to me
>Asked her out after I caught feelings, she said she couldn't, she had a bf
>Then immediately tries to hook me back in within the hour after the rejection, I wasn't giving her much attention nor orbiting so not like she was gonna be starving
>Keeps trying, we eventually grow even closer, night voice messages, talking about the future, sharing hobbies and likes, she keeps trying to make time for us to be together under several excuses, tells me her birthday and that she'll be mad if I forget, introduces me to her friends, still no mention of bf before or after

It was getting too weird for me so I was about to have a talk with her, but out of sheer luck, with her friend the topic of cheating and relationships came up and I said how I felt, cheating is disgusting, if you want someone else while in a relationship cut it out, find yourself and then figure out if you do want them.
Within 24 hours she broke up with the boyfriend, but
1) She hasn't told me yet
2) She doesn't know I know, I saw it through her socials when I checked after she seemed off, but I don't really use them other than that
Apparently it was a toxic as fuck relationship already on the brink of death, plus the guy being a massive piece of shit, but still.
I believe she tried telling me or trying to talk about something heavy a couple days ago as she sent a plain
>"Hey"
At like 9 pm, but she got cold feet when I didn't see it for an hour, she has never communicated like this before so it's kinda obvious.

So my questions are:
>How long should I wait before doing anything here? Bad relationship or not you always mourn
>Should I even bother?

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>>35027496 >>35033717

Is it possible to have a woman look at you like this irl? If so, what should one do? I crave this more than sex at this point.

>>35025119
Ok, what a customer you've seen and spoken to a few times, and how do you flirt with a coworker? Actually, I think the last question is more of a how do you flirt with women in general kind of question.

>>35027362
Anon you need to accept life without her. This dream girlfriend you want she gives you a hug but at home is with a kingpin who is a million times more than what you'll ever be. It's sad you won't be at his level, but you got to be happy with what you have. You can't do that now with this current crush it will be the same thing over and over and it'll lead to manic depression. Be happy being alone first before loving a woman.

>>35027496
I assume you meant >>35027191. I'm extremely lonely and crave the genuine interest of a woman but once I know a woman has a boyfriend I back off.

>>35027511
No retard he's literally saying she got KAZUYA'D

>>35027513
How do I become Kazuya then? Will she exist if I become a heartless bastard and make fat stacks?

>>35027515
Yes, why do you think ugly bastards are a thing

Went out to cold approach
i go out to approach women and they all look past me ignoring me
it's like they're inherently trying not to get approached
there's like 3 women every 2 hours that are not ugly and approachable and I go into a busy shopping district

Cold approach seems dead af

>>35027725
Never cold approach. Women will ignore you at best and get scared of you at worst. I've tried to ask women on dates and seen true fear in their eyes before.

You know that stereotype that women have of the 30 year old guy who they dated when they were 15, and they realise when they're much older how much of a loser he was? Well how do those guys get access to those girls and get to date them?

>>35027857
Because 15 year olds are retarded?

>>35027857
No woman will ever love you anon, 90% of women out there do not love their man, they don't know how to love anyway; they only tolerate him as long as he provides.
Learn to be stoic and get by without their fake and subpar love therefore about 90% of women should be invisible to you. Rise up above your biological programming.
Take care of your health anons and find distractions to help pass the time, that's all most people do anyway, the difference is they do it with somebody so time spent together flows differently. It's merely an illusion though.

>>35027971
>>35028017
Okay but how do I get a schoolgirl girlfriend?

>>35028047
Go back in time.

>>35028017
You know what love is? Make her cum. That's it. She will "love" you then.

>>35027678
In a slightly more serious note having someone with an urgent desire to fix you means you need a lot to be fixed. I don't really want to be fixed I do need someone who can help me with my goals which are pretty ambitious and may involve running a corporation lmao.

You know anon, considering most women now are turning bisexual, at least you are getting cucked by hot lesbian sex.

>>35027857
They make the effort. Also mutual friends. Social settings. Work.

>>35028067
I would make her cum multiple times with my fingers alone before nailing her so hard she ripped her childhood quilt, she still didnt want to date me and fucked someone else the second i didnt validate her without even a conversation.

>>35028478
Ok, go make another woman cum then. What are you, a fag?

How do i be more kinder or gentle to women. I had bad childhood and family who were critical of everything and it still takes a lot of work being forgiving of my old meaner self and moving on from that.
I treat both sexes the same as in I show respect and keep things surface level. At times I see other guys talk normal to me but to women more sweetly almost baby like or not as serious. It feels natural to them. I want to be like that so bad. Is it a mindset or misogyny thing? What can I change about myself

>>35026716
>act like you want to fuck her but dont be desperate and act cool and not like you want to fuck her

how do you make this work in practice

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>>35034066 >>35044305

The game is over, as I am fond of saying.

The women won. They are in control of the eugenics program and the multi-trillion-dollar pussy reward system — a highly symbolic fertility ritual. But they are in control of much more than the reproductive apparatus. They control not only the men and government of the United States of America but through the power of pussy and the susceptibility of men and government officials, fiat currency manipulation by the Witches of Fiat Currency at the Federal Reserve System, a large army of simps and "backers" (this is a technically incorrect use of the term) who are fighting to maintain control of the Frankenstein monster they created called Onlyfans (in a war I fear we are going to lose), and even the Republican form of government they created which inevitably—and I would argue by design—fosters centralized female matrilineal control and assures only a handful of "pre-selected" men must be sacralized to control an entire country, they control the entire world.

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wtf does it mean when a woman wants to be "seen" and "heard"

Why am I so unattractive to women?
Is it because I'm ugly? Boring? Stupid? Autistic? All of the above?

>>35029753
you don't convey enough status in the settings you find yourself in
that's it

on a dating app status is purely photo quality and looks
at your job it's being in the leader role
at a starbucks it's the guy who knows all the workers

so in your case it's probably autism / low iq

How do I get the courage to make my first ever dating app profile at age 27? I’m an avoidant khv that’s never been on a date btw

>>35026660
Got it

>>35025553
>ask her to meet up an hour early to work on some steps youre struggling with
but why would he do that if that’s not actually the case? that would be retarded

An important thing to recognize about women is that they have to be tough to survive and that means they have to be mean to you. I know it is shocking when you are being nice to them and out of nowhere they start shouting at you or fighting you, and when this is random, it is them being tough so that they can survive. Sometimes women do not know how to survive without being tough, because the fear is if they aren't tough they are vulnerable and when they are vulnerable they get harmed. There is absolutely no other way around this, as this means you have to live a different life, have different circumstances, and be of different character. It is what it is anon. That's why the jock wins all the time despite being an asshole, because he knows what it is like being tough, and without that toughness there would be no survival.

>>35030404
That's a specific type of woman.
Most women don't fight or argue for no reason. The reason might be incredibly petty: leaving dishes in the sink or knocking over her houseplant. They're Karens.

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>>35032714

How do you start dating as an older virgin without coming off as extremely desperate?
I think I would otherwise do fine with women that I find attractive, except for the fact I have ridiculously little experience just speaking to women, outside of business or family, period

I'm just worried that expressing genuine surprise at a woman showing interest in speaking to me is the unstoppable final ultimate ick

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>>35032030

finally get a girl after years of trying. She's white, big tits, goddess hips with a big round ass. Pretty.
For some reason, I feel like a fraud? We just had sex yesterday and it was amazing. Pink pussy.

I feel like it's too good to be true? like what's the catch? anyone had this ever?

>>35025422
So you clicked together? what made you click together?

A Movie you both like? why don't you invite her to a film thats similiar thats running in the cinemas?
A different hobby? why don't you invite her to that hobby?

Just invite her to what made you have a nice and great conversations with her

>>35031386
The catch is being never again able to fall back on incel logic

Quick everyone post their go to opener or line they use when approaching girls irl? I know the best approach is casual and direct but what does everyone here say?

>>35032071
WOW! HOT a What Baabhabhiat

>>35032071
>Hey
>*commands their attention*
>witty or insightful comment on the present situation

>>35030152
Just knowing that nobody will swipe on you expecting any kind of hookup or fling

Look anon. If a woman you are trying to date ain't willing to overcome her fear of nerds, she ain't worth it. Some good women out there you have to let go because they themselves can't overcome their fears. They're essentially the type of people who are too damn fixated on coming off as a good mother instead of accepting that some of the best people in this world have flaws that are not unique to them. Like if these women you like put you at the status of the 500lb conspiracy nutcase who is planning to do a terrorist attack whose entire room is full of loli fetish manga and has 3 month old bags open of doritos and a shit ton of liters of MTN dew, she ain't worth it okay? Some women are really schizophrenic and you can't let how they are schizophrenic get to you. You know what you are. You're a 3.5 GPA computer science college major who works out on the weekend at the gym and comes home to play Call of Duty with friends and then after some time wants to get a girlfriend who can share time with him so that he doesn't feel alone at home all the time. You ain't a freak, so don't worry about people who see you as one.

>>35031361
How old? Tbh pay a hooker for sex a few times to chill tf out about women and realize that the non hookers are just shy and discreet about what they charge and that theyre essentially all the same. Not for everyone, desu high chance it fucks you up emotionally because your first time was meaningless, it did for me but after a few hookups with easy 304s and hookers I became legit as fuck at sex and now I have no nerves being sexual with women. If you dont wanna do that, get jacked af as fast as possible before you get any older, roids if you are desperate, so women lust for you to choke them out. Idk this is horrible advice dont listen to me, just work out and build social confidence.

What's wrong with women? I think it's strange that they avoid eye contact with me in public even though I'm over 6 foot, muscular, and attractive (White) in an area without a lot of White men. By all metrics, "I" am the sort of guy that should be drawing everybody's attention, but I feel like a ghost when I'm walking around in public. Yeah, sure, I know. Give me the benefit of the doubt since I can't prove what I'm saying.

>>35032806
Women simply are overprotective anon.

>>35032806
You're the main character of a selfinsert anime.
If you say you have the stats you should approach.

do women care about fancy cars and clothes or just good looks, a reliable car and good fitting clothes?

>>35032900
A fancy car and clothes are actually impressive.
>do women care
They would still date the hobos

>>35032900
Neither. They care about you having the personality of a man, which requires a unique life, unique circumstances, and having unique character.

Remember you all, do not get all swept up by a woman's affectionate behavior. She needs to go out with you not treat you like a background character. You have to be the main character. You can not like be some comic con model's number 1 fan. What has to happen is a life being built. That ain't happening, the affection doesn't mean shit.

>>35032900
Only gold diggers which are mostly mid. It's all looks now bro since everybody has food, shelter, comforts, healthcare, etc.

Work in retail currently but am going to start looking for a job and make my degree work for me. Theres a gal there that I've been meaning to talk to but the hours never align and when they do im slammed with work. I really only gotten to chat with her at length once but we are friendly. I try to play eye tag and it feels hit or miss at times but she's all smiles in those fleeting moments when work slows down enough for us to ask about eachother. Its a true pain seeing days go by with things moving at a glacial pace and I figure the jet time I might just come clean, express my frustration with the lack of time and just ask her to go out sometime. Maybe I am reading too much into it and there's nothing there. Maybe I am wrong.

>>35033378
Really the issue is am having is the lack of signals or my inability to pick up on them. When we talk she seems engaged but she seems reticent to lend an eye when we are just in the relative vicinity. Like I am trying to tell her in every way but verbally that I want her and the lack of reciprocity there discourages me.

>>35033378
Same. I have a bunch of different crushes right now, and a few of them are at work and 2 are at the places I get food. Naturally, as that's basically the only places I go in life now.

At work I am basically the only 30s white guy loser in a room full of zoomer latina/os. 1 of the girls is smoking hot but she MIGHT be a minor, idk. We all wear nametags that signify this, but sometimes the tags are out of date and i dont know how long she's been there. I don't know anything about her except she's the hottest girl i know and she smiles at me a lot. its great seeing her change into her uniform she lifts up her shirt so her belly's exposed for a bit.

#2, another super hottie. she's new there. this one I have more a connection with, she beams a smile at me pretty much every time she sees me, we've spoken a bit, I've helped her with things, she lives near me, pretty sure she's young but not a minor. She might even just be using me to help her work, or maybe she actually likes me

3, 4 are both managers, a country blonde and gothy-brunette from other departments. I don't know them at all but they hot. Sooo many hotties at this store, workers and customers. Many customer girls in tight yoga pants with great asses, or trad dresses.

I barely get to talk to anyone there, there's like no downtime. Either way, I get jealous when I see the coworker girls with the latino/black guys they know better, probably from school. They all know eachother, they're all goofing off and cracking jokes in spanish, probably banging as thats what friends do now far as i know. I can't compete with that, so why try? Also, they're coworkers. I shouldn't date coworkers, I value this job more than them. Which is sad but this is all i can get so im hanging on tight. I kinda don't even want to be friends because that would lead to feelings and importance that I can't have. But still, I fantasize about them all.

If i send pervy messages to a married woman and she doesn't respond but also doesn't block me, does that mean she likes it?

redpill me on the toppik cope

>>35033436
women liking you and women liking your attention and you wasting time on them are entirely different things in reality - tho they seem to confluens into "she likes me" in minds of men

>>35027362
have haircut that fits your face best
be fit
dress well
carry yourself with confidence
look world and destiny square in the eyes
go for what you want

Repeat


And ignore the other anon, he is gay as fuck, he wants to make you his gf

>>35030263
no it wouldnt

lying is the lube of love

>>35026077
hire a pro fotoman to take fotos of you

and use white lies as much as possible

being honest in internet is simply suicidal

women lie, men lie everyone lies.

You should construct a persona purely for likes and attention. Like some weird youtuber.

>>35025286
safest way to win fast
------
PUA works but not in small cities under 1 mill people.

you become known fast. Ask how I know lol.

Small cities is pretty much all status, money and circles you frequent. If you are not dating 10s by now you aint in those circles.

But the good news is you are not a tree so move.

>>35028665
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>>35028017
This
>>35028067
Wrong, women will always think to find someone superior and getting her to cum doesn't mean jack shit

>>35032103
But I want to experience those

>>35033718
but i thought lying to a romantic partner, potential or otherwise, was bad

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>>35035137 >>35036114

how do you tell the difference between a shy girl sending mixed signals and a shy girl sending positive signals mixed with reclusive shyness?

>>35035113
you don't. atleast i don't think there is a sure-fire way of finding out

>>35030048
>so in your case it's probably autism / low iq
Well, shit. Thanks for the answer, though.

>>35035486
Today I did something to help my crush at work and she called me her hero. In an endearing, not sarcastic way. That'll stay in my memory for awhile.

>>35035113
What are the signals?

I have been on about 8 dates with this girl over 4 months. Every single date I have initiated, and i think most of the chats.
She always responds, and always agrees to do something. I waited for even a week on purpose and waited for her to initiate but she never does. Also she never has time on weekends. Sex happened and she even cooked for me. She doesnt seem super shy but maybe…
Is this an obvious case of her not being that interested or what?
I can’t really ask her to initiate more, right? Makes me look needy?

>>35025422
you've talked to her a bit, listened and should know what she likes by now. So just invite her out to something she'd like to do.
>>35025963
just keep talking to her bro and invite her out to an event or something that you're sure she'll like.
>idk why i pussied out of just saying something myself, maybe i didnt want to be too tryhard always coming up to her
its ok if it's clear you like talking to her.
>>35026716
>Making your intention clear immediately sets you above most men. You have to make it immediately clear that this is sexual. This is easier said than done for many men. Many think just by approaching that is enough but it’s not, you have to give “I want to fuck you” energy WHILE also not appearing desperate, playing it cool as you said.
This probably works i guess but it's not what I do at all. I always have low stakes, low expectations interactions with women because I'm under the expectation of being friends at most. I mainly just want to be friends with people and enjoy talking to women more than men. I mainly just talk to people that seem interesting and if they are I show genuine interest in what they're talking about. You can't have friends with benefits without the foundation of being friends in the first place.

however my perspective is probably a bit warped. I don't think I'm flirty, I generally don't do it consciously but everyone thinks I am to the point of getting in a bit of trouble for it at times. I *do* enjoy sexual tension and I can get a little touchy when permitted.

I'm not going to give advice on getting touchy with your female friends or girls you just met at the club because I don't trust any of you motherfuckers to handle it with the finesse it needs.

but yeah, i do the opposite. I'm friendly, our first times hanging out I make it clear it's not a date. I'm not really interested in dating. But sometimes we clique so well physically we end up in a FWB situation anyway.

gave a girl at work my ph# and email today. pretty sure I wont get fired but now im pretty sure shes not interested and I wish I was gonna get fired so I dont have to think about it anymore

>>35036125
ask her if she's seeing other dudes
if she asks why, then the answer is yes. And you can say you were considering a relationship

>>35036598
That seems a good solution thanks

>>35036724
Keep me posted if you want, I'm curious now

Well, I got a woman now and it's fine I guess. Having someone to talk to and a pussy to cum inside is nice, but she's still a woman so she talks way too much and it's annoying as hell sometimes.

>>35034347
>Wrong, women will always think to find someone superior
Wrong. Women want you to fulfill their emotional needs and want you to make them feel safe. So have empathy and enough money to provide security for your relationship.

>>35037105
Notice that men don't require anything from women. They'll happily marry the barista at Starbucks because they're in love. Meanwhile women will always monkey branch to get more money and status because that's "fulfilling emotional needs and making them safe" kek

>>35037217
>Notice that men don't require anything from women
Speak for yourself. I require a lot from women. My girlfriend is independent, has a job, and we split the bill everywhere we go. I also call her out on her shit.
I would never marry a broke Starbucks barista.

The biggest sign you are getting cucked by a girl is if she is speaking like she is telling you maybe when you are trying to date her. No, you have to get a dead set on yes or no. I understand some women are shy and understandably some women expect you to be the one who pulls the moves, but dating works best when both you and her are at a comfortable place. If she ain't comfortable with you it ain't gonna work out and that ain't ever gonna matter if you are the hot guy in the room.

>>35037217
>men don't require anything from women
I'm sure you'll stay with your barista forever even if she never gives you any form of sex, including a wank right? You'll marry any hole and thats not love

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>>35036114
I had a hunch she was showing body language of having a crush on me so I started talking to her. Within 24 hours she was asking me about an old high school kissing game.

Lately I've been having to initiate every single convo with her but when I do chat she is very welcoming. I asked her how her vacation was and she is comfortable enough with me to tell me it was horrible. She's all smiles when talking and seems interested in what I have to say. When she need to show me something on her work phone she doesn't hold the phone up in front of me, she stands to my side and leans towards me so we can both look at the screen together.

But my god do I have to start talking to her EVERY TIME. We are totally silent in the same room when I say nothing. The signals of losing interest are clear if she was outgoing, but I can't tell if she's getting cold or too nervous to initiate.
She is very quiet, she always leaves without saying goodbye to anyone and sometimes she can go an entire work shift without saying a word. I think I have seen her initiate a chat with anyone 3 times in the past 3+ months.

>>35038004
>"Love"
This has been debunked.

>>35037217
>>35038004
It'd be closer to: she gets home from Starbucks after flirting with her workboyfriend, doomscrolls the rest of the day, makes you order takeout and heads out to party at night.

She gives you 0 but tells you she loves you

>>35025244
So how the fuck do I start up a conversation with a match on Tinder?

she gave me an opportunity to fuck her and i didnt have the courage, now she got the ick and wont give me an opportunity again, is it over? why do women give you only one shot? im mentally ruined for months since this happened

>>35038972
correct
I have discovered recently
that the main thing women look for in men is dominance
look up that word and engrain it into yourself
and the reason is simple:
most people are afraid to show dominance and authority
you behaved like most people in that moment
you get the same results as most people will

>>35038972
Because a woman giving you a chance is a big moment of her exposing herself and you saying no was a blow to her ego and her opening herself up

>>35039025
>>35039044
How do i comeback from this? I'm mentally ruined

>>35025244
How to hate women general when?

>>35039058
Your mom

>>35036740
can do. will take some time tho

>>35039056
think yourself lucky actually
you learned a hard lesson
now you know what to not do next time
and there's always a next time

I've dated before, have had a handful of relationships that last 3 to 4 years before they fall apart. Last one was damaging to the soul and idk if I can trust women again. Genuinely the thought of having someone else in my house and intermingling in my life is repulsive. The idea of meeting someone and getting to know them sounds fucking exhausting. I don't wanna be this way tho, I got no idea how to come back from it but women really don't have any appeal to me anymore. How do I like women romantically again lol.

>>35037243
Chads don't represent most men retard
>>35038004
Unlike women want to believe sex is an inherent part of a relationship, it's intimate connection and love which of course women can't feel which is why they hate sex
>>35038760
Notice that this is how women perceive the equivalent to the average man kek
And the irony is that yes there are probably tons of men in that situation, simps and cucks brainwashed by their love

>>35039191
I'm not a chad.

>>35039191
>it's intimate connection and love
Sometimes I just like the way my dick feels inside a pussy.
>which of course women can't feel which is why they hate sex
Women love sex and they love to cum. Just like us, sometimes sex is just about feeling good physically and cumming, and that's ok.
Sex can be euphoric and loving but it doesn't have to be every time.

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It seems my low self esteem has blinded me to the status I could potentially have, went out on a 4 day trip with about 15 friends, and I got to see how the guys who aren't respected get treated, like absolute jokes without a scrap of acknowledged masculinity. I also noticed I have a slight pull on a few of the girls in the group, that thing that happens when people break up into sub groups to make travel easier was pretty consistent.

Now that's all well and good, but it doesn't change how my brain's wired, I have severely low self esteem and I'm pretty sure the years and years of rejection and neglect have made me afraid of being loved. The fuck do I do about this limbo state

>>35038043
I've had a girl touch my chest and give me deep looks and have gotten feelings of a connection. All I gotta say is be cautious. She has to be more than just an acquaintance or friend. Some women are just flirty. Plus anon, women that get disappointed too easily when you don't play the game right ain't worth it to begin with, because if they got mad you don't pick up the signals and refuse to be direct, they're probably using you to get a status boost around others. See if she continues flirting with you and doesn't retreat into stupid shit like thinking you're in the closet or some shit like that for not flirting.

>>35039169
4 stages of grief, you'll naturally cycle through them with time

>>35038972
>>35039056
it is absolutely over. Had to learn the hard way, too, except this happened like 3 times to me, before I realized why they go ice cold after giving me the opportunity. Essentially, she's thinking you don't find her fuckable enough, hence you didn't make a move. Or worse, she'll think you're a pussy, which is probably worse. In both cases it's fucking over

>>35042131
i will think about this fuck up every night until i die

>>35038972
>she gave me an opportunity to fuck her
What was the opportunity? With me, I can think of two girls off the top of my head that gave me bunch of opportunities of her getting naked in my bed. Over the course of 4 months with one and 8 months with the other. I don't regret not taking more advantage of it.

>>35042188
>girl got her driving licence taken
>asks me to drive her somewhere with her car
>say yes sure
>go to her house and wait near her car
>she texts me to come in because she just took a shower and it takes time for her to get ready
>i enter, she immediately locks the door and looks at me, i just do nothing and stare at her
>she then goes to fridge and gives me a drink then goes inside to get dressed up

>>35042196
Are you saying she answered the door completely naked? And went to the fridge and got you a drink completely naked?
I like women when they make the first move but that's one of those that might catch me off guard too. It depends on how the car ride went, what mood she got me in during that. But yeah for "make the first move" I mean just start making out with me, I've had a bunch of girls do that. Examples would be:
Girl came to a party just to seduce me, stood in front of me the whole time, kept brushing everyone else away, then towards the end of me she start making out with me before I even considered it but she was a good kisser so I took her home
Or the girl I liked that took me to the club to the floor to dance all sexy on me and brushing her lips against mine
Or the girl from the club that just picked me out randomly and started making out with me so I took her home

For a situation like yours, she made it a lot easier on me:
Took me back to her place, got in bikini and heels I bought her, took me to her apartment swimming pool, got in pool with me, started getting all fresh and frisky on me in the pool all wet in a bikini with the sexy heels I got her just to the side of the pool

>>35042234
no she was wearing a bath robe but the sexual tension was intense, she was much less nice to me afterwards and ghosted me

>>35042245
So what should you have done in hindsight? Easy one to remember for future reference could be "I'd love to slow dance with you naked"

What mood did she have you in during the car ride? Seems like she unfairly put you on the spot without much support on her end

>>35042261
i probably should have kissed her and get her aroused then take her to the bed and fuck her. she was disrespective, just put on music and scrolled her phone, after we came back to her place she just quickly said thanks and walked in, didnt invite me in again.

>>35040757
I could tell you the truth about rejection and how it's not actually a bad thing. But it doesn't change how it feels and idiots like to tell me it's cope when it's objective fact.

The thing guys have to realize is that if a woman rejects you for things that are true about you, it means that either the two of you are incompatible or that her perceptions of those things are wrong and rather than discuss it with you like an adult, she immaturely rejects you immediately.
In either case, bullet dodged. Nothing of value was lost.

Now if she rejects you for things that *aren't* true about you, that shit sucks. It might have to do with her perception or how you portray yourself. Like I spent years portraying myself as a sexless nice guy because I thought hiding my desire was polite. I eventually learned otherwise.
But even if it sucks, it's still not rejecting you as a person.

Essentially, the only people who see the real you and reject it are people who you would be miserable with anyway.
Rejection isn't a disaster or even a bug. It's a feature.

Is this the right thread? I need to vent / get advice.

The girl I loved more than anyone before her and who I spent the best year of my life with broke up with me 2 weeks after we moved in together, after we had a few arguments. Nothing major, except maybe the last one where I pressed her why she didn't write me for almost the whole time she was back at home for a day (which was very weird for her). It was a long distance relationship until this point, and I got a job in a city that is halfway between our respective homes as a compromise. Now I'm here all alone. She gets picked up by her family on Friday, she looks as unhappy as I am, but I already tried to convince her once that she should stay, and I'm not trying again.

It was a mistake to even question her about this decision, but she basically had ten different reasons to break up with me, main one apparently being that we don't "vibe" and she can't "open up" to me, "doesn't know" me, wants to "live her youth". She had a lot of BS reasons too, like that her being constipated when we were together means her body told her I'm not the right one. Also she's mentally unstable, depressed and has a bunch of other undiagnosed personality disorders - but I do kinda understand the point that I just didn't have enough in-person talks with her, didn't make enough of an effort to keep her excited, etc. I was aware of these issues, but I thought they could wait until we were both settled here, as I was also extremely preoccupied with my own issues at the old job, getting everything in order to move to the new place etc.

I feel like absolute shit right now. I intend to go no contact after she's gone, but I know I'll cling to the hope that she comes back for a long while. Anything you can tell me to make me feel better?

>>35038972
>she gave me an opportunity to fuck her and i didnt have the courage, now she got the ick and wont give me an opportunity again, is it over? why do women give you only one shot?
>>35042196
This is what happened: Women are not allowed to just call up a guy and say that they want him to come over and fuck her or he will never respect her and just treat her like a whore. So instead, she has to invite him over on a pretense and sort of let it happen naturally. That was her expectation. It was a booty call. And then you showed up and basically responded "Nah, I don't want sex. I'll just take a soda." After that kind of rejection, why would she ever express any interest in you again?
From her perspective, you rejected her, hard.

I'm finding more and more often, that every single negative interaction between people like this is entirely about unspoken expectations, the other person not meeting unspoken expectations, and then them making conclusions based on others not meeting their unspoken expectations.

For example, you did not communicate your expectation that you were going to pick her up outside of her car, on time, and then she would be ready to go when you got there, and that there was no romance or sex involved. You made the assumption that that did not need to be communicated because it was your expectation that she already knew that. It was an unspoken expectation. That's how all these things happen.

It's likely that her unspoken expectation was that you knew that when a woman invites you into her home barely dressed, she is expressing her comfort with you being that intimate with her.

>>35042435
>basically responded "Nah, I don't want sex. I'll just take a soda."
It's worth noting that when women have guys essentially throwing their dicks at them all the time, when they express an interest in being aggressively pursued and the guy doesn't throw his dick at her, she assumes a lack of interest rather than anything else. They've been trained that an interested guy is sexually aggressive.

>>35042435
>>35042441
i hate being autistic. i want to blow my brains out

>>35042408
lol, lmao even
LDR is a surefire way to crush any relationship, what the fuck did you expect to happen? Not being around the woman to give her constant attention in todays day and age, you are literally pissing against the wind
>Also she's mentally unstable, depressed and has a bunch of other undiagnosed personality disorders
Ah well, even better you don't have to bother with her anymore. Give it some time, break ups suck, watch some edgy anime or movie or whatever, cry about it in a journal and hunt some more tail afterwards

>>35042509
>what the fuck did you expect to happen

idk true love to prevail or some gay shit like that. people tell me I should be grateful not have to deal with her anymore, but I always wanted it to work out. I know you‘re right on some level but letting go of the memories seems absolutely brutal

>>35042477
If it makes you feel any better, near as I can tell, nearly everyone does this unspoken expectations thing nearly all the time.
And I once had a girl try to ply with liquor to get me to make a move and I was clueless. So, it's not just an autistic thing.

And it takes two to tango. She could have been clear and gotten what she likely wanted. Everyone expects their assumptions are obvious to everyone.

>>35039025
>the main thing women look for in men is dominance
It's actually security. Competence, money, or being dominant are all proxies for security. Like how youth and beauty are proxies for health.

And just to clarify, most guys get dominance completely fucking wrong. Too many flip their insecurity into a need to act controlling and think that's dominance.
Others mistake dominating others for being dominant.

Authority is commanding obedience without persuasion or intimidation.
Being dominant is not dependent upon the behavior or response of others. Someone who is dominant isn't completely different when they're alone.

>>35038043
>Lately I've been having to initiate every single convo with her
The question is if she never initiated or if started initiating and then stopped.

My default answer is that in every single complex situation I was ever in, calmly putting all my cards on the table and clearly and explicitly explaining my position would have ended up being far better than what I did. That's how I got heartbroken and lost the most amazing friend I ever had.

Whenever I explicitly explain myself now, I get stared at like I'm a bizarre freak and then things go perfectly well. I'm sticking with it.

Do pretty girls who work out or value fitness and stuff all want guys with a lot of money?
I’m really handsome and fit and I have my shit together really well BUT
I make 75k a year (this will go up and it’s already decent for my area)
I don’t have a nice car; I have a 2017 with a dent in the side and it’s not the best but it’s paid off and gets me where I need to go
My house is 2 bed but it’s really nice

I just want to makeout with a legal age pretty girls feet. How can I make that happen without being arrested or labeled a pred or whatever on social media? I’m afraid to even offer money because that’s creepy right?

>>35042705
Short answer is no. And do you *want* a girl who wants a guy only if he has more money and possessions than you have?

Just make sure that your car and house is "nice" from a woman's perspective, not just yours.

Does your bathroom have a trashcan that's concealed or has a lid?

>>35042729
>I just want to makeout with a legal age pretty girls feet.
The issue is that you're objectifying and reducing the woman from an individual person into the thing attached to the feet you want to make out with. You're literally telling the woman that you don't value or respect her and just want feet. They generally don't like that.

>How can I make that happen without being arrested
Making out with feet isn't illegal. The appropriate way to go about it is to date women and finding one that isn't bothered by you spending *some* of your attention on her feet. Offering them a foot rub once you're comfortable and casual with each other is a good seque into the topic.
Unfortunately, with a kink that could be deal breaker for either of you, the traditional path can be a huge waste of time and it's probably better to find a partner on a kink website. Act polite, intelligent, and respectful and you'll automatically be well above average. I am not exaggerating.

>or labeled a pred or whatever on social media?
No way to prevent that. My approach is to be open, honest, and not a predator so that my words and behavior speak for themselves.

>I’m afraid to even offer money because that’s creepy right?
Well, yes. But mostly because it is, again, objectifying, suggesting that they're a sex worker, and also actually illegal in many places. ...unless you film it and sell it on the internet, apparently. But that's a whole other thing.

>>35042775
My house is really nice. It’s got a massive back yard and two bedrooms, kitchen, living room and finished basement.
I always get compliments on how nice it looks. I did well on that part.

My car not so much. Creaks a lot. Leather not in good shape. Exterior isn’t terrible, it’s a 2017, but has a massive dent on the passenger side and you have to slam it to shut it.
I’ve driven women in it many times and I’ll make jokes ha ha but I am super insecure about it.

>>35042775
And yes my bathroom has a trash can with a lid
My house is super, super nice dude I keep it clean and it has decorations and plants and candles n shit. It’s sweet.

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>>35042704
>The question is if she never initiated or if started initiating and then stopped
she initiated that one flirty chat and then stopped altogether. Typically I would understand this as she lost interest and pulled back, but some people are telling me she still likes me but got scared after tipping her hand and went to reclusive safety.

Is that a thing shy girls do? Normally I only talk to girls that approach me, so that means I spend my time with outgoing women. I have no fucking idea how to talk to shy girls.

>>35042806
I’ve been trying to date for most of my life and have. 100% rejection rate, I’m in my 30s now and still haven’t experienced my life long dream. And foids always tell me “how can you be a virgin just pay for it lmao”

>>35042196
>>35042245
To this day my girlfried has never outright asked me for sex. She has her ways of letting me know she's dtf and they're all subtle.

If a woman invites you over and is wearing a bath robe in front of you it means she wants to fuck dude.

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>>35042870
i know, it was obvious

>>35042824
*oh by some people I mean my friends that have never met her

I got a date lined up. Very happy about it. Dont forget guys, WAGMI!

She has to play with you then intiate with you. If she just plays she is flirty with everyone. Intiating is something else. Remember that and do not get attached to flirty women who simply play around.

>>35042824
>Is that a thing shy girls do?
Yes.
More to the point, it sounds like she is just generally quiet and comfortable being quiet and not likely to initiate conversations.
Which means that her initiating at all was more my meaningful. She's very likely thinking that you're thinking things you're not and imagining your behavior might mean things it doesn't. She's probably insecure, because a lot of people are.
I don't know if she's interested but I don't think her not initiating means she isn't.

>>35043150
>She has to play with you then intiate with you. If she just plays she is flirty with everyone.
Not necessarily. Everyone is different.

>Intiating is something else.
True.

>do not get attached to flirty women who simply play around.
Fair advice but it's easy to overestimate your perception of what is "just playing around".

Essentially, don't be a dismissive dick to other people and don't tolerate people who are a dismissive dick to you.

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>>35049672

too many fat ogres. I'm don't with accepting white causasian women on my preferences.

Instead of being like: I am a part of the problem of 90% of men who are unattractive, be like I am an example of 90% of men who struggle to get a date.

>>35026716
Hello kind saar +20 izzat for you

If I see a hot girl standing around at the bus station, what's a non-creepy way to go up to her and start a conversation? I'm usually good once the conversation gets going, but starting it is a pain point for me.

>>35044123
never cold approach a woman that does not have the option to walk away from you. (she is stuck there waiting for the bus)

If you had a magic power that permitted to feel what someone’s genitelias would feel in/on yours. Without touching them. Would that be considered sexual assault?

>>35044161
only if you get caught methinks

>>35044142
Does it count as a cold approach if you try to make conversation and only ask her out if it goes well? Also, in that case, where do you meet women? Like, just go up to them when they're walking around the mall?

>>35028665
I dont think so. This perspective is missing the most important thing: LOVE.
Domination perspective is hellish

>>35044197
If you want to meet women, just walk outdoor, find a woman who’s working, whip out your dick and do the helicockter!
Ladies love the helicockter!

>>35032698
I dont think that type of lady is schizophrenic. Probably closer to anxious...

>>35032806
You're a narcissist. Once you have done your narcissist homework, the ladies will start to approach you.

>>35044315
I’m in the same situation, I’m >>35042837
Over 6’7” and white girls wont make eye contact with me. And if I try shouting towards them they ignore me and I look stupid.

Is it wrong to want a girlfriend that’s hot?
Especially if you’re a hot and fit guy who makes good money and has his shit together?

I am happy enough single and I’d rather stay single unless I found someone who I thought was really cool and also really attractive

>>35045471
No?
That's retarded, it's called having standards.

As long as it's not the only thing in your mind there's zero problems with this

are latinas naturally very flirty or do I have some sort of pull with them?

>>35045551
I mean I couldn’t date someone I wasnt physically attracted to
But I’d also never date someone just cause they’re hot and had a shitty character or personality

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>32m, go on first date with 31f off of hinge
>she lives some distance away, and came off kinda sperg and sheltered, flinched when I went for a peck at the end of the date
>dunno how i felt about her anyways, didnt reach out again
>she reaches out to me, guess I’ll give it another go
>go to dinner, ask more hardball direct questions, get probably an equal amount of red and green flags from her answers
>go for a kiss again, she says lets atleast go for a walk in the park first (its kinda late at night)
>shes tense the whole time, feel like I’m being weird or something
>she confesses she’s never kissed/madeout before (let alone anything else)
>end up sitting on a bench for an hour teaching her how to kiss
It was cute in the moment, but also very strange.
Like, yes, I know the meme dream here is a pure trad virgin girl yada yada, but in-person, it was odd, at least at my age.
I also feel like I’ve now imprinted on her like a mother bird too, so idk what the move is. Like I said, she also had some other questionable qualities that give me doubt in pursing serious stuff.
I know I sound doubtful as hell, but she is cute and I do see positive traits in her too. This is just such a weird position for me, to be the more experienced one.

>>35045712
Don’t think too far into the future

Did you have fun? Is she worth getting to know a little better?
You’re not marrying the girl yet. You’re just getting to know eachother.
Maybe she opens up as she becomes more comfortable and next thing you know she loves kissing and is talkative and wants to be with you and wants to fuck etc etc
Or maybe she stays quiet and weird and you figure out it wasn’t right in the long run

i was sexting with a woman last night and we both enjoyed it. whats the cooldown time before i should talk to her again?
I've blown it in the past where the woman isnt horny for a while and then ghosts me because she thinks I'm being needy.
she lives in the same city as me and has shown interest in meeting up at some point so I want to keep the momentum going until then

>>35045768
You care too much

Casual dating is the worst head game ever. If you’re going to play that field you need to not care.
If you didn’t care you’d either not text her back and wait to see if she reaches out, or you’d just text her and try and make plans because you know what you want and you’re pursuing it and you don’t care if she sees you as needy or whatever.

>>35045733
That sounds reasonable.
I agree with the sentiment, although I’m dubious on the nature of short-term fum; distance (and she doesnt drive highways?), she doesn’t drink or anything, kind of having a hard read on what she likes to do, and she was already deferring all decision making to me, she lives at home (not that I’m fucking anytime soon apparently), etc.
Guess my ‘what should I do?’ was rhetorical. All there is to do is ride it out.

>>35044123
>If I see a hot girl standing around at the bus station, what's a non-creepy way to go up to her and start a conversation? I'm usually good once the conversation gets going, but starting it is a pain point for me.
Generally I just make an observation or joke about something relevant. If there's no ice breaker, I leave it alone.

>>35044142
>never cold approach a woman that does not have the option to walk away from you. (she is stuck there waiting for the bus)
Definitely good advice. I still have but I have mastered the art of being extremely casual and shrugging, shutting the hell up, and ignoring her and minding my own business if she's disinterested. Many guys can't do that well.

>>35044197
>Does it count as a cold approach if you try to make conversation and only ask her out if it goes well?
Yes. It is cold approaching if you're striking up an unnecessary chat with a stranger out of nowhere.

>Also, in that case, where do you meet women? Like, just go up to them when they're walking around the mall?
No.
If I see an attractive woman who seems idle and might have time for a chat, yet has the option to walk away, make a comment or joke and see how receptive she is for a chat.
The location doesn't matter as much as her receptiveness.

>>35042837
>I’ve been trying to date for most of my life and have. 100% rejection rate, I’m in my 30s now and still haven’t experienced my life long dream.
How have tried changing the way you approach or talk to women?

>And foids always tell me “how can you be a virgin just pay for it lmao”
That sounds like you need to associate with a classier quality of woman. Few women I talk to recommend prostitution.

>>35045471
>Is it wrong to want a girlfriend that’s hot?
No. It's wrong to think you're entitled to a girlfriend that's hot. There's a difference.

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its over bros. im too old to go get girls anymore. I am just gonna surrender to a relationship to this girl who treats me good and give me blowjobs whenever I want them. Something is fucked inside of me because I see going out and getting girls as like my primary directive for life. But I also feel like I need to be realistic because at some point its just not practical to always be a bachelor and going out hitting on girls. I also feel like I am going to reach the critical mass of having a bad reputation because I dont live in a major city and you can only talk to so many girls before you gain a reputation. Also I deeply fear bitches using these facebook groups to dox me and shit. They probably already have. Its just over bro women are winning. Anyway it doesnt matter. Having a girlfriend has so many perks and this girl would do pretty much anything for me. I should be grateful for that. She isnt the hottest girl at all. But she has her own house and she does my laundry and she is just all around an asset to me and never makes trouble for me or starts drama. How can I say no to that. Now its on me to find a way to reorient how I think and find a new purpose with life. I wish I just had something I was passionate about that wasnt being a drunk fucking psychopath larper.

>>35045878
That's a lot of words to say that you're a fuckboy that's resorted to a modicum of matury because aging exists.

>>35045886
People have written entire novels over this. Lots of them.

>>35045878
>I wish I just had something I was passionate about that wasnt being a drunk fucking psychopath larper.

lmao I know this feel. Start with smoking meat and studying history

>>35045806
Does it seem like I care too much? I've tried it both ways and its a learning process. If she does ghost me it will suck and I'll move on but learning how the game works can only help me. if someone has a shitty golf swing it's better to learn how to do it right then to just act like hitting the ball doesnt matter

>>35045878
>gets into a relationship with a loving woman that takes care of him in all aspects
>has woe is me attitude
holy fuck kill yourself immediately

>>35045935
This is how learning game works

You either are born a naturally socialized person or you are not by the time you’re a teenager.
If you are not, it goes like this:

>realize you have no game and can’t deal with women
>want to learn game and improve
>start reading, experimenting with women, trying new shit, etc
>you win some, you fuck up a lot
>feels like the rules always change and you can’t seem to work it out
>being rejected sucks
>start to practice your “golf” swing and learn what things and methods work for you

BUT THEN

>what the fuck is game even? Half of these women are retarded (you realize this when you meet enough of them)
>why do I care so much? Why is it so wishy washy?
>begin to understand that game is not giving a fuck about game
>game is doing you and living your life and doing what you want on your terms
>text a girl if you want to, don’t reply if you don’t want to
>doesnt matter, my life is my life, I’m happy with it, I don’t sweat a bitch
>women can feel your confidence and indifference and it draws them to you
>don’t worry about rejection as much


Just go be yourself and work on becoming a better version of who you are. Stop worrying about the mental head games. The man is above them.

>>35045900
>People have written entire novels over this. Lots of them
I probably have avoided them. I can't imagine the core conflict being remotely interesting.
But yeah, being too old to be immature and irresponsible any more is a common trope. Hell, it's the grasshopper and ant only with sex.

>>35045954
retarded word play to try to sound insightful kek

>>35046032
The heaviest of burdens crushes us, we sink beneath it, it pins us to the ground. But in the love poetry of every age, the woman longs to be weighed down by the man's body. The heaviest of burdens is therefore simultaneously an image of life's most intense fulfillment. The heavier the burden, the closer our lives come to the earth, the more real and truthful they become.
Conversely, the absolute absence of a burden causes man to be lighter than air, to soar into the heights, take leave of the earth and his earthly being, and become only half real, his movements as free as they are insignificant.
What then shall we choose? Weight or lightness?

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Do women who dress this way only want basic / and or white rich dudes

Smooth and smart or lame and cuck to write my name and number on an index card and hand it to a girl on the bus?

>>35025779
How do you date a woman for a month before asking her to be your gf? Isn't the point of a date that she is already your gf?

>>35046351
>name and number
people have been using ig handles for the last 10 years unc

>>35046351
pretty lame. The chad move is to unlock your phone and hand it to her and ask her to put her info in there.

The psychology of showing her the trust to hand her your unlocked phone means that you will typically be rewarded with trust in kind. Just kind of how people tend to think. And its undeniable a pretty alpha way of operating imo. I have only ever been turned down doing this a few times and I genuinely believe its because she had a boyfriend or whatever. Its by far the greatest number closing method I have messed with.

>>35046424
Yeah but then I'd have to do a lot of speaking and I may choke

>>35046413
Thats cucked lol do not use instagram unless you devote a significant portion of your life to branding yourself on there. For the vast majority of guys using instagram is a TERRIBLE idea. You are going to look like a loser.

>>35046428
youre gonna have to speak to her regardless bro. You cant fuck a phone number

>>35046431
fuuuug I'm calling it off. I was hoping to get her number before Halloween but fug it, can't do it today, I'll man up next week, I promise!!

>>35025244
>female friend breaks up with his bf
>we decide to chill
>we hug, I literally touch her belly skin
>go under her pants through the leg and squeeze her thigh
>I slowly slide my hand to her ass,
She doesn’t want it
>we still hug, but she is a bit defensive
>she had a tanga, shaved legs and cute bra
Fuck man, I missed my chance

>>35046138
"More weight." - Giles Corey

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>>35026693
>When you get a girl's number from an app, do you usually call her or just text her?
always text, if she's one of the 5% of girls that prefers calls then she'll just call you

>>35032806
you have bad, entitled vibes and it scares the hoes

>>35033378
>I might just come clean, express my frustration with the lack of time and just ask her to go out sometime
just do the last part of asking her out so she doesn't feel like it's a big deal to you

>>35034802
>but i thought lying to a romantic partner, potential or otherwise, was bad
about serious things, sure, but this situation is just playing the game and there's not even anything for her to get mad about

>>35038830
>So how the fuck do I start up a conversation with a match on Tinder?
"hey, do you want to hangout sometime?", if they respond positively then I ask for their number. She's either interested or not and girls don't like to waste time on the apps any more than you do.

>>35045575
>are latinas naturally very flirty or do I have some sort of pull with them?
whynotboth.jpg

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>>35045808
>she also had some other questionable qualities that give me doubt in pursing serious stuff
What we're her questionable qualities? Also, what does she do for work and why does she live at home at 31?

>>35045878
>its over bros. im too old to go get girls anymore
>age: 28

>>35046351
>lame and cuck
Since there's the chance to talk to her and you're not doing it, it makes you look like a pussy. Passing her a note is only for when there's no chance to talk, like a few seconds when her boyfriend isn't around or something.

Has any woman here dated a clinically depressed man? How did it go?

>>35046424
That's good if you're actually talking to the girl. I think anon just wants to hand the card and run away.

>>35046424
>The chad move is to unlock your phone and hand it to her and ask her to put her info in there.
Do you open it directly to your contacts or just to your home screen?

>>35046351
That's high school shit dude, aren't you a grown adult? Just talk to her sheesh

>>35039191
Women don't even hate sex, they just hate having sex with you man, why do men always wanna be with women that don't find them attractive? She wants to fuck who she wants, not you.

>>35049216
Women hate 80% of men whereas men love 90% of women, that's the difference.
Incels tend to be mad not just because one woman doesn't find them attractive, but because no woman does.

I’d be fine dating an asexual girl as long as she’s virgin otherwise it’s another guys bitch. I just want feet, and a beautiful woman I can spend time with.

How do you combat the feeling that you are not enough for the woman you want?

I’ve overcome so much shit in life. Bad childhood, homelessness, addiction, all the way into 80k salary, a house, a dog and a killer physique and sobriety.
I’ve had many beautiful women. I’ve had long term relationships.

But my paradigm tells me I am not enough for a cute, feminine attractive / fit girlfriend. The goalposts always shift.
Like I need more money or a nicer car or this or that before I deserve one.
I know that those things will not replace my poor self image and I need to fix that.
I want to believe that I can have the kind of woman I want.

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>>35049353
>Incels tend to be mad not just because one woman doesn't find them attractive, but because no woman does.
Incels are mad because it's easier to pretend that you're a victim and be angry at that victimization rather than change, grow, adapt, or even admit that they don't perfectly understand all women.

>>35049553
You will notice women don't have to change, grow or adapt. Men have to do it, then when they try it isn't enough. Until a man is a buff chad he is worthless.
Men are dipping out because women literally have no bar and men have to completely change themselves to get even a bit of fake "love".

>>35049114
yeah put it on contacts where she can just enter her number easily

>>35049587
lol you act like this statement has some significance but it doesnt. Life isnt fair. You have to play the hand you are dealt. Thinking like this is a waste of your time and its childish.

If you cant accept that then consider something else. At the end of the day, everyones brains automatically undergo "hedonic adaptation". Such that at the end of your life everyone will experience pretty close to the same amount of happiness. For example the homeless fag finding 20 dollars and the giga chad buying a new yacht both produce the same neurological response. And so when you look at life through this lense its very easy to see that women typically suffer just as much as you do. Not with finding a parter but they are typically neurotic as fuck and basically torture themeselves, they have periods and shit, they are utterly depdendent on other people for entertainment and the vast majority of women suffer from anxiety and literally live in fear of life.

If I constantly get the girl im seeing to suck my dick is she going to start resenting me or could it like have a psychological effect of making her get used to serving me and feel like its her duty. You know what I mean? On some level it seems based like I am training her to be submissive.

>>35049602
This is just cope
Yes, life isn't fair but you aren't forced to play a rigged game. What do men get from being jesters and having to dedicate their entire lives to women who do nothing?
Also, that whole paragraph is laughable. Really, the poor starving homeless man who barely goes a day without getting an illness, who eats shit from the trash, is just as happy as a rich guy? These are completely different things, even in the singular events of getting money and getting a yacht, the yacht is long-term luxury and fun whereas the money is just assuring him being allowed to live for a couple weeks or months.
Women live life in tutorial mode compared to men. Their neuroticism isn't natural, it's born out of literally having everything handed to them. There's a classical saying that "idle hands are the devil's playthings", meaning that evil acts come from people who don't do anything. Women are comfortable and yet delude themselves into agony. Regardless, this agony isn't real beyond a temporary mental state. Periods aren't world-ending, they just change their hormones a bit and that's it. Most women don't suffer from anxiety and live fearful of everything, they use that either to manipulate men or it's once again a limited mental state that they go through.
Women don't face real struggles. Not even just in dating but they also dominate education and easy comfy white collar jobs because they're designed for them and have tons of DEI initiatives and shit. You won't see women living as bad as men, in trailer homes barely making ends meet.

>>35049616
Stopped reading after your second line. You obviously should not dedicate your entire life to women who do nothing. Also the notion of "jester" is pure fucking autistic retardation. As if you are above having fun or see having a sense of humor as being somehow demeaning.

You got a lot of bullshit in your head kiddo. Lay off the internet. Go out side and have a cold beer

>>35049621
Are you unable to see the point? It's being a jester because women do NOTHING. Having a sense of humor is good but women overwhelmingly don't contribute beyond just existing and believing they're the table
And most women are like this because women are pampered and believe they deserve princess treatment
I could go outside and see this constantly. I could try to get a woman attracted to me but I wouldn't be able to, I haven't had a single girl be attracted to me which I've seen other dudes share but conveniently every woman has a boyfriend. Even if I tried it'd just be a jester and then be a betabuxx because I'm well aware no woman is attracted to me enough to desire me and care for me beyond provisional status.

>>35049628
Sounds like you should kill yourself then. You got it all figured out and you are going to be forever alone so only one thing left to do. LOL more pussy for me

>>35049634
Nah, killing yourself is for cowards and troons. I just know to live life without being attached to women. Cause women don't like most men.

>>35049646
Women dont like you because you are a fucking autistic loser who thinks he is too good for having fun.

>>35049650
Well, why can't I have fun? Why do I have to provide fun for others but not be allowed to have fun myself? Why can't women provide fun?

Don't get women. I got one now I think she's annoying and I want to dump her.

>>35046405
The point of dating is figuring out if you like her.

>>35043462
Can you imagine waking up next to this every morning? Fucking hell...

>>35049657
>thinking about fun transactionally

You are worse than any girl I have ever met. You are either fully autistic or just evil

>>35049672
Her titties look good. I could even handle her weight really if she is the type of girl who treats me good. The problem is how she looks like she has down syndrome and I dont think I could get over that aspect.

>>35049678
Bro she looks like shrek, and that's with makeup and filters
Her tits are heavy but she probably has a FUPA
This shit is unsalvageable

>>35049684
lol if her face was less goblinoid she would be aight. I am insecure enough to always aim much lower than the hottest girl I could get so I dont have to worry about her loyalty

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NUMBER ONE !!!!

BE FUCKING CLEAN !!!

>Finally get gf
>we fuck raw for 1st time because no condoms opsie
>she's on the jew pill put I promise to pull out
>it was great anon, 11/10
>from here on out we have to use a rubber anon

Literally no different than an escort. Wtf
Anyone been in this situation ?

>>35049553
>Incels are mad because it's easier to pretend that you're a victim and be angry at that victimization rather than change, grow, adapt, or even admit that they don't perfectly understand all women.
>>35049587
>proceeds to pretend that men are victims rather than admit that change is possible
Thank you for providing a live example.

>You will notice women don't have to change, grow or adapt.
Tell me more about how women never change anything about themselves in order to attract a man.

>when they try it isn't enough. Until a man is a buff chad he is worthless.
Actually, plenty of men, unattractive me, have no trouble whatsoever. So, that's not true.

>Men are dipping out
Good luck with that.

>women literally have no bar and men have to completely change themselves to get even a bit of fake "love".
Not true in my observation and experience.

>>35049614
Depends on the woman. Many women find that sucking dick makes them feel powerful because they're wielding the power to pleasure their man.

>>35049988
nope lol this bitch sounds retarded. You already raw dogged her and she is on birth control so there would be no point to use a condom. Tell her you will buy some day after pills to keep on hand in case there is an accident. If thats not good enough for her then you are better off getting rid of her now.

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>>35049988
Birth control should be used alongside a secondary method, aka condoms. You should just admit to her that you're a jew that should kill itself, and let her find someone normal.

>>35049988
Never ever rely on the woman for birth control

>>35050018
Females get sex trafficked from infancy to gray hair. I'm sure if you just simp more it will change this extremely funny fact.

>>35049553
Females live life on tutorial mode. Yeah, I don't understand the extremely privileged, or killing 3 of your own children and getting nationwide support.

>>35050069
Good.
All I have to do is make sure it happens to your cousins and not my daughters

>>35050018
>proceeds to pretend that men are victims rather than admit that change is possible
Pretending to be victims is female national sport, so I get why this seems like stolen valor, even though it's actually based in reality
>Tell me more about how women never change anything about themselves in order to attract a man
Every tinder experiment ever, having awful personalities, social protection that men don't have etc
>Ackshually
Hope your underage female relatives get raped

>>35050109
lmao at this incel rage. I am getting my dick sucked tonight by a consenting woman of legal age. Shits so cash

>>35046990
Can I text her tomorrow or should I wait until she texts?
I feel like she is not that enthusiastic to meet again lol

>>35050109
You learned that threatening all women rape doesn't work because chads love their women and vice-versa while yours give and get from you nothing.
Good job