>>264499
>nerds: Heh eye gouges don't work

>They actually work

>>264499
KOTS is extremely interesting to me, because its completely unfiltered MMA on a hard surface. It proves what works in reality at the expense of the fighters health

What I have learnt so far

>Kickboxing is basically king
>People can get suplexed 5x onto concrete and still get up and fight
> Eye gouges work from any angle
>Headbutts are fight enders
>Biting works
>Judo throws off a clinch CAN end you in dominant position to quickly end the fight
>Elbows rarely seen unless gnp

But ultimately kickboxing is the quickest way to fight on the street. All fights start in kickboxing range and shooting in to grapple is less appealing on concrete

>>264499
Lots of people in the YouTube comments who want to watch no rules MMA then get very very upset when some no rules MMA happens

>>264598
They're very butt hurt that this guy eye pokes/gouges. LOL I bet the promotion loves Eric, he's the best heel I've seen in a minute. There's an interview with him while he's getting tattooed that's really funny.

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>>264733

KOTS shouldn't even be illegal literally both fighters consent to it the governments shouldn't give a fuck if 2 dudes wanna fight and a third one wants to pay them for it

>>264499
Damn, that’s fucked up

>>264701
gov likes their monopoly on violence

>>264612
This has to be EXACTLY what they wanted to happen. Truly I think this is what everyone wants. The reason legit MMA orgs have rules is because no real athlete will compete in something where he might be horribly maimed. I think having a fat guy gouge eyes is a perfect example for the UFC to be like "look, the purists say they want anything goes... Well there it is and you hate it and McGregor and Silva and Adesanya would never participate in it ever."

But also KOS gets the dramatic gross out cringe clips. Everyone wins.

>>264746
They wouldn't participate in it because the reward isn't there. but top level UFC fighters would mollywop these amateurs.. eye gouges or not

>>264549
who got suplexed onto concrete? which fight?

>>264892
https://www.reddit.com/r/FightLibrary/comments/1henlgn/crazy_kotos_fight_with_jimbo_vs_tommy/?solution=d7f5a9e8550c039fd7f5a9e8550c039f&js_challenge=1&token=7afd7253fec22262ff1c52b1703fe9ec228140bc300bad25e8418b46bfdccdc1&jsc_orig_r=

You're welcome

>>264499
losing record, like tank abbott

>>264549
>Kickboxing is basically king
you just watched kickboxing lose to fatty eye gouging. If there are no rules you go for the eyes, throat, back of skull constantly. Dont fight in the street if you dont understand that. kickboxer buy should never have taped his hands as it losens his grip on fatty.

>>264612
>They're very butt hurt that this guy eye pokes/gouges
there is eye gouging in UFC and boxing, but its only by 'accident'

>>264549
>Eye gouges work from any angle
They don't though and KOTS proves it. It's always guys who are in a dominant position gouging at their leisure while the other guy is stuck in bottom.

>>264746
People are getting permanent brain damage from UFC careers and taking way more damage for very little money, something being sanctioned doesn't matter, you are an adult, you want to fight on pavement then fight on pavement. It actually looks safer on KOTs because they seem to be more cautious in how they fight because of the environment and rule set.

I really don't like UFC. I don't think they pay the fighters anywhere near what they should get paid, the weight cut system encourages CTE because they're dehydrated then get knocked in the head, and there's a lot of other issues but CTE and pay are the two big ones. I know several people who have been in UFC/Bellator and none of them are "rich" from it despite giving their best years to the sport, being on TV, being recognized etc but they sure as hell made UFC a lot of money.

>>264936
is fatty eye gouging the peak style? He could do anything, he's inna a good spot, he could ground n pound, he could try for a kimura, nope he goes for the eyes... what a chad and they know it too, that's psychological lol

>>264925
>>264892
this is why you never let anyone get "double unders"

the wrestler had good takedowns but not great control, a bjj guy would have kept him on the ground and submitted him, lots of wasted energy having to take this guy down 3-4 times until the fight stops.

Good fight though, good stop, no one got hurt. Not sure why anyone would agree to do this other than being young, feeling like you got something to prove, a low level of "fame" in your local mma scene. Which the last one is debatable because at my gym no one knew about KOTS besides me.

>>264948
>the weight cut system encourages CTE because they're dehydrated then get knocked in the head
You think they weigh in right before they put on gloves?

>>265131
You don't have time to properly rehydrate before a fight, you have intracellular and extracellular osmosis and homeostasis interrupted by the extreme weight cuts that is linked to lower fluid in the skull, which is less cushion for the brain, which increases concussion and CTE. End weight cutting.

What I do find interesting about KOTS is that it to a certain extent redeems all the kung fu "2 deadly for da ring" talk everybody poopooed for years. Things like eye gouges are in fact completely devasting. There's several examples (not only the one from the OP) where arguably an inferior fighter wins because he pulls off an eye gouge or headbutt. Things like that do dramatically change the game.
Obviously you still need a decent base in the fundamentals, but still.

>>264548

They work when you can out grapple or out strike your opponent, yeah.

>>264549
>early lethal strikes > kickboxing > throws > ground and pound > homo hugging
Pretty much common sense

>>265174
Stay in your class

>>264549
>kickboxing is basically king
First time hearing about KOTS. Is there solid Muay Thai practitioner to compare between the two?

>>265621
The bullshido response overcorrected but I would 1000x bet on the guy who actually spars in muay thai class vs the kung fu dork who's plan A is to eye gouge and hasn't had any live training a day in his life. And that's who the original 2deadly4u crowd was. A bunch of out of shape mall ninjas who claimed their sensei could kill a man with a toothbrush and their style was too dangerous to spar at any intensity, much less compete.

The KOTS guys aren't those kung fu dorks. They are the genuine article. Ridiculously violent people willing to risk severe injury. Heirs to the rough and tumble tradition that we used to only be able to read about. Who desu I assumed didn't exist in high enough numbers to actually run a promotion like this. I figured we had put all these dudes in prison by now. Props to the promotion for finding a way to put this on.

do people get blinded by the eye gouging? why would anyone willingly participate in this, fuark

>>266463
Yuki Nakai famously was blinded in one eye by Gerard Gordeau, and that was during an MMA bout where eye pokes were illegal. It can happen, but it's not a guarantee.

I have trouble imagining why anyone would sign up for this. The money isn't great and the fame is also relatively small. I think you just have to love violence and want that extreme thrill of true no holds barred, brutal hand to hand combat. Not ashamed to admit that isn't me.

Kudos to those guys, I would not participate in that because I am a pussy/don't want to be maimed for nothing. But it's STILL not a valid self defence thing - fatty went for takedown, if the other guy had a knife, fatty would be dead before he got to eye gouging. So because it's not a valid self def thing (which ultimately differs by scenario - if guns are legal in your place, if you are protecting someone, etc), imo, they're just risking injuries for literally NOTHING. Which, agian, kudos for bravery, but still retarded.

meanwhile youtube comments:
>bro wtf you cant eye gouge in a no rules fight

>>266339
They're mostly football hooligans

>>266628
There isn't a point to anything if anything this is a true testament to raw survival of an organism without external tools

no one cares about a knife you're not clever

>>266641
Or a testament to how much humans suck at being lethal without external tools. Or how people don't actually want a no holds barred fight because of the hate towards the fatty eyegouging.

To me, the point of MAs I do (boxing, wrestling) is that they are cardio+physical skills+self defence. KOTS doesn't really improve on any of those vs MMA, and adds a ton of physical risk. Which is why imo it's retarded.

>>264948
The real risks in KOT are:
>KO onto pavement - hit head, brain damage
>strikes to back of head
>other guy deciding to bite/eye gouge you so you get permanent eye damage or some type of aids unless they test for it

The things I like are that it's bare knuckle, no jacket and you can headbutt dudes. But kudo already does almost that. And kudo comps look quite similar to this, actually, just less grrrr i am hardcore drama and also takedowns there are easier due to the jacket.

I don't know if eye gouging is even useful in self-defence anyway since you'd want to kd/ko the opponent asap, not sit on him and poke his eye out, that just raises the stakes. If you're a manlet about to be raped, then maybe.

Nah the eye thing is unnecessary

>>266733
You're moving goal posts my guy

I accept your concession

>>267062
Nah my point was, this isn't meaningfully closer to self-defence so the added health risk is pointless. If you like it, then that's fine. At least it makes me feel better about just boxing after seeing throws/takedowns do nothing in kots.

Though I guess it does support the idea that grappling in self def is retarded

>>267235
>>267236
What you mean apart from controlling the whole fight and deciding whether you get up or get your eyes gouged out?

>>267256
KOTG dudes just shrug off being thrown on pavement so it's not a reliable fight ender compared to striking. Going to the ground is bad because it exposes you to eye gouges, aids bites, stabbing, soccer kicks. Time spent on learning submissions or takedowns is better spent perfecting striking, takedown defence and getting out. There was that one fight where the guy judo'd the other guy and choked him out all in the span of 10 seconds but it's an exception.

>>267381
Throw them on their head

>>267388
you mean like in kotg oh wait

>>267388
It turns out this can only happen if your opponent is an extremely physically awkward fuck, like drunk or high or decrepit, or if you nigh-suicidally guide their head down into the ground and risk knocking yourself out ala Kevin Randleman vs Fedor. Concrete floors make the latter option unappealing.

KOTS once again dispelling martial arts rumors. Throws on concrete are rarely a fight ender. That said, ending a throw in a dominant position is very important if your opponent can eye gouge you. So 1 point for Judo and kesa gatame.