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>>250158 >>253702

yall niggas aint ready for african judo

>>249897
I would say leg grabs or any turning throw where you don't lift a leg, foot sweeps are also good but for self defense just throw a calf kick, it's basicaly the same.

>>249917
For self defence, just teep them in the knee/stomach

I think judo is okay if they grab you, but it's going to turn into hockey punches at that point

DO NOT TAKE LSD BEFORE GOING TO YOUR JUDO TOURANMENT!!!!

THIS WAS MY FIRST EVER TOUARNMENT AS A WHITE BELT AND I REALLY NERVOUS SO I DROPPED 3 HITS OF ACID I GOT FROM A "PEN-PAL" IN HOLLAND GOING INTO THE HIGHSCHOOL GYMNASIUM THIS WAS TAKING PLACE (I DROVE AN HOUR TO GET THERE BUT DIDNT TAKE ANY BEFORE DRIVIGN DONT WORRY)

MY HEART WAS RACING SO I TOOK ONE AND I DIDNT FEEL THE EFFECTS FOR THE FIRST 20 MINUTES SO I TOOK ANOTHER HOPING TO GOD IT WOULD CALM ME DOWN

MY MATCH WAS IN 45 MINUTES AND I WAS STILL FUCKING JACKED BEFORE FIGHTING SOME UZBEKISTANI CAVEMAN WHO'S TRYING TO GO TO THE JUNIOR OLYMPICS OR SOME SHIT SO I TOOK ANOTHER TAB

MY COACHES TELL ME TO GET READY AND HEAD FOR THE MAT, IM STILL WONDERING IF I GOT N-BOME'D BUT MY GUY WAS REPPED AND THE SHIT WASN'T BITTER SO I JUST THOUGHT I GOT A WEAK DOSE

THEN I WALKED INTO THE GYM, EVERYTHING STARTED TO FUCKING GO WRONG IN MY BRAIN

I STARTED TO SWEAT REALLY BAD AND I FELT LIKE I WAS GOING TO EDING BUT I WASNT HARD I JUST FELT LIKE CUMMING

ANYWAYS I BARLEY GET ONTO THE MAT, ZOOKED OUT, THE MAT FEELS LIKE WHEN YOU'RE STANDING ON THE OCEAN SHORELINE AND FEEL THE SAND BEING PULLED OUT FROM UNDERNEATH YOU WHEN THE CURRENT GOES OUT AND MY ENTIRE PERCEPTION OF MOVEMENT OR TIME GOT CRANKED UP BY LIKE 5 LEVELS

MY OPPONTENT LOOKED LIKE HE WAS JITTERING UP AND DOWN AND THE BLUE IN HIS GI KEPT VIBRATING A BUNCH OF HUES AND THE ENTIRE BACKDROP WAS LIKE FLICKERING FLOURSCENT LIGHT BULBS

I FUCK UP THE BOW TWICE AND TRY TO SAY IM NEW AND NOT FROM THIS TOWN (????) AND I BOW TO THE GUY BEFORE WE START

I KEEP BOUNCING LIKE IM DOING BOXING AND KEEP GOING IN A FUCKING CIRCLE AROUND THE GUY FOR A SOLID MINUTE BEFORE THE REF CALLS ME OUT FOR STALLING AND WE RESET

I DO THE SAME SHIT, EVERYTHING IN THE ROOM IS SPINNING, I FEEL LIKE IM AT A TILT-A-WHIRL ATTRACTION, (IM DOUSED IN SWEAT, MY GI IS LITERALLY DRIPPING IN SWEAT)

I CAN BARELY MAKE OUT THE GUY AND HIS SCARY MUSLIM FACE, I TRIPPED OVER AND THE GUY MOVES IN TO TRY AND THROW ME

I TRY TO HIT OSOTO ON HIM (HE WAS BEHIND ME) AND END UP FALLING DIRECTLY ON MY FACE WITH NO BREAKFALL

HE GETS TO MY BACK, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING, I JUST REMEMBER HIM TAKING MY BACK AND PUTTING ME IN A PIN WHERE I THOUGHT HE WAS HUGGING ME SO I EMBRACED HIM AND STARTED TO SPOON HIM

I LOST

I DONT GET UP FROM THE GROUND AND I NEED TO BE LIFTED TO MY FEET BY MY COACH AND THE REF

THE SPORTS MED TEAM ASK ME IF I HAD TAKEN ANYTHING BEFORE COMING THERE AS I LOOK LIKE I JUST JUMPED INTO A POOL FIVE MINUTES BEFORE HAND AND MY EYES ARE LIKE BUTTONS

GET REALLY MAD AND START ASKING WHY THEY'RE ACCUSING ME OF TAKING LSD (THEY DIDNT ASK THAT)

EVERYTHING IS STILL VERY VIVID AND NOW I FEEL LIKE IM PEEING MYSELF (I DIDNT BUT IT FELT LIKE I WAS)

PASS OUT IN THE MEDICAL FOLDING CHAIR AND WAKE UP AT THE LOCAL HOSPITAL

>>249910
Nah man mexican judo is what you gotta watch out for

>>250127
Why would someone go on the internet and make up lies?

>>250171
why would someone go to a judo comp. on acid?

>>249897
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poHxn1daIXc
>A small judo club with only four members from Kagoshima will compete against gold medalist Natsumi Tsunoda
what the fuck do you even do in this scenario as a 15 year old japanese boy

Are there judoka who never do hip throws?

Whenever I get taught any judo I really struggle with hip throws. It feels like a 10 step process to awkwardly get your hips into the exact position. It never works for me

Trips feel much easier to do. Drop seo nage feels much easier to do.

>>250239
>Are there judoka who never do hip throws?
likely
there are judoka who dont do certain throws period.
Im not good st tai otoshi but an good at drop seoi and hip throws

>>250239
Are you tall? In general hip throws are going to be easier for manlets since you need to get below the opponents center of gravity. Conversely, Lanklets have an advantage doing ashi waza because their leg length gives them more leverage.
>t. Manlet shodan

>>250366
shodanlet?

>>250211
I would use THAT or commit sudoku

>>250211
>what the fuck do you even do in this scenario as a 15 year old japanese boy

Intentionally lose.

Japanese culture has this thing where it's considered inappropriate and disrespectful to make your seniors or superiors look bad by outperforming them, so those boys held back so as to not dishonor themselves or their coach.

>>250366
He could also have small legs and a big torso, in which case he's completely fucked for Judo.
>>250239
Jk, just get better anon. You're just going to have to muscle into your throws. HanpanTV has a good video on kuzushi for hip throws.
>>250428
I don't think saving face applies here man. That girl is an olympic champion
Still, she did have to use her tomoe nage against those kids....

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>>250547 >>250649

>>250529
cool but look at this gif

>>250532
hit one in randori then

>>250529
This is the normalcuck NPC response to things. Back in 2005 you could say and do whatever on the internet and you would just get a "lol" from the nerds and based people. Now it's all pearl clutching normals, government, and tik tokked soulless young people getting OFFENDED and trying to BAN everything

It used to be a safe space for nerds to have fun and a wild west. Now it's just like going to your after work drinks. Tame discussion and BE CAREFUL NOT TO SAY ANYTHING against the CURRENT APPROVED OPINION

Also
>omg trump/Elon musk/diddy picked his nose!!!!

Who cares. Internet is ruined

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>>250654 >>250657 >>250884 >>253818 >>261271

>>250532

>>250649
fuck off lol

>>250649
Fuckin' retard

>>250649
Fuck you

>>76935346

Oof. Judo sisters how do we respond???

>>250954
Anon...your cross-linking reps...

>>250239
I'm 6'3 and like 90% of my throws are uchi-mata, kek

>>250158
Judo know if he gonna box or judo know if he gonna brawl!

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>>251410 >>251556

>the uchi mata hip pain is back

>>251355
It started that way for me
turns out my disk slipped. Enjoy the mat while you can anons

>>251355
>>251410
Here are some thjngsings you can do to ease the pain and even fix it.
First, if your pain gets better during training and worse after a while or the next day this means you probably have a weak core and hips, since it gets better during training thats's because your muscles get activated during training, then what you need to do is to do isometric for your core and hips.
If on the contrary your pain gets worsensuri during training then you can look into the following tests.

-sit straight in a chair and pull yourself down, if this causes pain then you likely have a pinched nerve, then you need to do core exercises.
Do the same test but with a round back, if this causes pain your spinal erectors are weak and need lower back strength and bracing your core properly.

-put your leg in a figure 4 and if your painful leg has more mobility than your non painful side or just have more mobility even with no pain, then you likely have long piriform syndrome and need to strengthen that leg and if its the opposite result you need to stretch that leg more.

Since you mentioned uchi mata im assuming this mean there's pain during uchi mata, first fix your form, you're probably trying to lift them with your leg, get your hips in lower and think of doing a seoi nage while lifting your leg, there shouldn't be any effort in your lifting leg.
Now if your pain is on the side of your lifting leg and that leg has more mobility than the other, then strengthen those hamstrings and hips if you have less mobility theb stretch that leg.

You will likely need to do several of these results.
So do core isometrics, lower back strength, hip exercises and try to match the mobility and strength of both hamstrings.

This one is the most unlikely but if you feel better after resting a few days then do the exercises but with very light weights and low volume, over time increase the weight and volume and abstain from judo for a while, this can be a couple week to a couple months.

Merry Christmas, /judo/, here's to a lot of ippons in your favor

The other day a person that recently went to go do the black belt exam at the kodokan and he says weight lifting is a bad idea "every hour spent lifting weights is one less hour training"

Judo will always be second class in the martial arts world until that attitude changes

>>251571
Literally every competitive judo athlete lifts weights.

4/10 b8 made me respond

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xCK1xbCJtG0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zugh7z4ewPs
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8AJc_8y_r8Y

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>>258735

Start Doing This

>>251561
Merry christmas friend
>>251571
that's just one idiot.

>>249897
There's only one technique that makes redditors seethe like this. Make it your tokui-waza.
https://www.reddit.com/r/judo/comments/1pwcmtz/i_instinctively_did_a_taniotoshi_in_randori_twice/

Anybody do cross training with no gi jiu jitsu? Wanted to try it but it looked kind of gay and geriatric

>>252117
>kind of gay and geriatric
Funny that's what everyone doing nogi says about judo

>>252118
How? Nogi is a serious stepdown from Judo in terms of intensity, older people tend to drop Judo for JJ and Nogi.

>>252119
Definitely not
Judo is all old guys with pot bellies and crusty feet, nogi is all young guys
Old men always gravitate towards the gi because they need their crutch to hang on to the young guys since their old shitty bodies can't do it alone

What I need: a black belt in judo
What I won't do: 1 memorize a bunch of unrealistic low percentage meme throws with arbitrary mechanics and definitions for demonstration purposes
2 Kata or belt testing that assesses anything outside of live ability
3 learn historical trivia irrelevant to actual practice
4 participate in watered down bitch ass competitions with no leg grabs

Knowing all that, wat do

>>252259
>Knowing all that, wat do
Honestly find a different goal because all the stuff you listed is how you get promoted

>>252259
Why do you want a black belt in judo if you hate everything about judo?

>>252281
It will give me more credibility when I talk shit online

I went through the long gay process of getting a bjj black belt out of spite alone
Judo has been on the list for almost 10 years now but I absolutely hate judo classes
At least bjj is kind of self aware about how gay and stupid it is, but judo still takes itself too seriously

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>>252282
>It will give me more credibility when I talk shit online
No it won't. If real, I respect how insanely retarded you have to be to believe something like this and actually put in the work, because as far as I know, getting a BJJ black belt is much more of a PITA.
Also
>4 participate in watered down bitch ass competitions with no leg grabs
pic rel

>>252318
The process of getting the jiujitsu belt is way less gay, it's literally just be good at jiujitsu
Go roll around and if you're getting more submissions than you're giving up you move up in the world
You don't have to go to any promotionals or do katas for judges, or any *groan* written exams

And if you do want to do competitions you have a variety of rules to choose from, it's not going to be this blanket international Olympic shit
>gets knee touched lightly
>Agh ahh noo kano sensei help meeeee!!

A black belt yelled at me for armbaring him in judo class because I'm not a brown belt
So what?

>>252322
just do sambo

>>252259
To become a black belt in Judo, you have to present a general knowledge of Judo so if you were put in a situation where you had to teach Judo to newer generations, you could.

Knowing the greater scape of (1) is required, knowing the lesser scape of (3) is helpful, (2) is required. Funny enough (4) isn't that big of something many older Sensis care about because they want you to learn the art of Judo and not so much the sport.

You have to teach Judo to become a black belt, you don't have to go to Internationals, but you do need to know the difference between Hiza Guruma and Sasae.

Also, many Sensis promote based off of observation and subjectivity. If you're not doing good, have an attitude, or don't wish to remember shit, it will only hinder your career in Judo.

>>252421
Problem is judo has so many things that are a distinction without a difference
Like the nami gyaku kata chokes
There isn't any good reason to define them as something different because of which way your hand is facing, they're functionally identical and you don't even need to grip anything if you don't want to if the grip isn't even required it shouldn't be the defining feature

This is just one example, I've seen loads of redundancies in judo

>>252427
>Problem is judo has so many things that are a distinction without a difference
That's rich coming from a BJJ guy where every move has 5 different colloquial names with no rhyme or reason behind any of it.

>>252421
black belt requirements depends entirely on the head instructor and your goals as a judoka. What you're describing though are general requirements.
Some USA Judo schools require testing as a primary. Other schools like competition schools have a heavier focus on your competition success and then there are schools that focus more on the philosphical aspects of judo and just want to spread judo around.
If you dont believe me, to compete at an early kyu rank before brown and you'll meet white belts with like 17 wins multiple golds that are stuck at white belt for some ungodly reason. I even witnessed a guy derank from yellow to white for some reason

>>252421
>>252432
ive met brown belts that dont even know the kodokan judo book exists. They didnt even know what kuzushi, tsukuri, and kake were. How you rank is entirely dependent on your instructor and goals as a judoka.
Ive also met judoka that just slam the fuck out of their Uke like crazy and never learned to grip properly after a throw

>>252433
bad schools exist in judo but it's in a completely different vein of "bad schools" in comparison to bjj
A bad Judo school will still be teaching functional, useful and applicable judo.
A bad bjj school will tell you that a 130lb woman can use a double leg and a juji-gatame to stop a 300lb powerlifter from assaulting them is 100% doable

>>252428
This is a consequence of jiujitsu being evolution minded and results driven
It's not pretending one guy over a 100 years ago figured everything out and now those are the divinely inspired holy techniques that shall never be changed

So yes in jiujitsu you may have people say saddle, 4/11, and honey hole describe the exact same position
But on the other hand judokas don't even have a name for it because it doesn't even exist to them
"If it's not in the book, we ain't gonna learn it"

>>252454
>This is a consequence of jiujitsu being evolution minded and results driven
Bjj hasn't evolve or show any significant results since the early 2000.
Bjj niggas lives for ever in the 90s coasting off the success of early bjjfags.

>>250158
I know you're memeing but mexicans have a pretty versatile and aggressive approach to judo the problem is if our government ever support us to actually gets into the big competitions.

>>250239
You just have to squat lower, that's it, you'll get the position every time if you squat lower.
That said yeah you can just do sweeps.

>>252259
Compete.

>>252467
That's only the gi babbies
It's a quick sniff test you can do to see if someone sucks at grappling or not, are they wearing the 19th century japanese pajamas in a western country in the current year

Judo didn't take root in the US the same way it did other places because we already had a robust grappling sport
Then the Brazilians made a name for themselves beating up on strip mall karate masters under their own house rules using basic ass sloppy judo

Fast forward to 2015 when post collegiate wrestlers we're interested in still competing but bjj competitions are the only thing that offer nogi grappling as an adult
Then we find out all it takes to be a medalist on the world stage in bjj is some unremarkable d3 wrestling skills and a positive attitude
Many peolle saw the writing on the wall and here we are, now everyone relevant in jiuiitsu is a scholastic wrestler with some cheeky submissions and everyone left behind are pajama huggers

>>252454
>This is a consequence of jiujitsu being evolution minded and results driven
No that's the result of 4 different guys all making up random names for the same thing. But somehow this is less triggering for autists.

>But on the other hand judokas don't even have a name for it because it doesn't even exist to them
They do have names for them, otherwise Danaher wouldn't have Japanese terms to steal and butcher the names of them.

>>252482
Leglocks are 2dedly4u, ya just won't ever learn a damn thing about them in judo
That's why they revolutionized jiujitsu so much because conventional wisdom was literally to ignore 50% of the body

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>>252492
Ironically this led to leglockers that hyperfocus on the legs and ignore the other 50% of the body.

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>>252454
>>252492
>"If it's not in the book, we ain't gonna learn it"
>ya just won't ever learn a damn thing about them in judo
So which is it?

>>252495
Also true
>>252496
Whichever one supports my position because I only care about results

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>>252569 >>252656 >>252838

Is Ura Nage (suplex) the end all move in grappling?

>>252565
By removing leg grabs judo has given an unfair advantage to taller athletes as they're able to generate lift from above where as shorter athletes need to generate lift from below

>>252569
Manlets, when will they EVER learn

>>252565
https://youtu.be/ORIYstuxYT8?si=TQ4k0aYOEcwFRF3u
That's an ushiro goshi.

>>252435
Judo isn't working either when the opponent is massively outweighing and out-strenghting you

Talked to a black belt about how I want a black belt but don't want to learn the stuff and he said he doesn't remember any of it himself

So there we have it, just like highschool Spanish class. He memorized it long enough to pass the test then completely forgot about it
So why even require it in the first place

>>252565
ushiro-goshi hurts more, that was ushiro goshi in the video btw not ura nage

>>252826
Stop bitching about it if you don't want to put in the work.

>thick islander milf grinded against my dick again

There's a judo black belt who goes to my BJJ sessions. He's wears a no stripe white belt to BJJ and he's a real menace to spar with. He destroys me and I've seen him give a stalemate to 4 stripe blue belts whilst rolling

He says he also hasn't done judo for around 10 years but clearly a lot of the skill has remained..

Is judo ground work really that good to the point this guy is basically giving purple belts a difficult time?

>>253035
He's good at stalling and holding positions, not at finishing which is what jiujitsu skill is based on

>>253085
That's pretty accurate lol

>>252259
You might as well do sambo if you wanna avoid the bureaucracy

>>253123
The main problem is much like Judo there's a lot of gay workouts at the beginning of class that serve no purpose

>>253035
The thing about judo groundwork is that when on top they focus on pins similar to wrestling and then get submissions from there, when on the bottom they focus on removing weight off you by shifting the opponent weight.
To clarify this isn't exclusive to judo, bjj guys do it too but bjj tends to focus on scrambles and the bottom guard, scrambles need space for them to move wich means there's less weight on the opponent, since most bjj guys prefer the bottom guard, their top control isn't as effective, thus their defense against it isn't that good either which is why wrestlers tend to beat bjj guys often.

Is not that bjj can't do these things but usually they will focus on scrambles and bottom guard which are both weak against good top pressure and since they aren't that good at top control weight shifting makes escaping or defending from the bottom very easy.

Is it legal to pull someone's jacket off their shoulder?
Like grip the collar and pull it down so the cap of their shoulder is exposed

I'm looking to bokh the superior grappling sport for grips

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>>253472
You're missing the forest for the trees. Mongolians don't need to pull the gi off of somebody hockey style. They just grab the gi in roughly the same places where they would grab the bokh jacket.

>>249910
Judo was created by us Black people, it was taken from us by the Portuguese who then taught the Japanese

>>250649
Ok but you never hit this throw in Randori idc what grip you get

>>253706
Why did he just assault that elderly out of shape man?

>>253862
Kano demanded it

>>253702
false judo was created by the jews
it's literally in the name

>>253867
also false

tired of comp. focused judo instructors teaching bad judo by telling and showing people they should post out of a throw with their arm to not get scored on

>>253883
The original Jews are Ethiopian, thus black.

Best throws against tall, long legged opponents?

>>253914
Seoi nage, you have to get your shoulders and hips under their shoulders and hips which is a lot easier to do if they are taller than you.
Basically any shoulder or hip throw, throws with a leg block/sweep like uchi mata and harai goshi won't work.

>>253920
Thanks, I'm not a big fan of Seoi but I do like Koshi Guruma though.

By leg block do you mean things like sasae, o-guruma, and osoto as being ineffective?

Is this allowed in judo?

https://www.instagram.com/reels/DHrN5PvxSDj/

And if not, is this why judo is seen as weaker than BJJ and wrestling? Because these takedowns are easier to do and accomplish more then arbitrary ippon?

>>254185
I hate this compliant shit, look how he just goes along with it

Unless an instructor can show me an example of something happening live and consistently I don't want to hear about it

>>254190
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FWTVyIhHGGM&pp=0gcJCTMBo7VqN5tD

>>254194
Now did you notice how in every single one of those examples except for the morbidly obese guy the person immediately either cleanly disengaged, put a guard in place, or fired back with an attack of their own

Meanwhile shitaro over there just crumpled and accepted his fate

So the guy is trying to sell you on a move claiming it's effective but when we look at the evidence the effectiveness is somewhere between 0 and actively a detriment that will put you in a worse spot by doing it

>>254185
You don't do judo, bjj, or wrestling.

>>254214
I do bjj now

>>254196
So why are those guys doing that move if it's useless? That's at the high level, if you go to a regular gym people will be doing snap downs to force turtle or front headlock

Ive personally hit a snap down recently with overhand grip in the gi which lead to front headlock

>>254185
>Is this allowed in judo?
It's a judo video from a well known judo instructor, take a guess

>>253914
Ura Nage

>>254225
bjj honestly takes itself way to seriously compared to wrestling and judo. Hell, even boxing doesnt take itself that serious. Literally listened to a boxing interview yesterday and the guy was down to earth. But every bjj interview is borderline retarded.

>>254307
What, you mean the martial art with the most open ended styles and relaxed rules where people wear funny designs on their rash guards and gi's? The one where all sorts of personalities merge together to train?

The art that does away with bowing and 1 hour long warmups and doing Burpees until you puke? The one where you don't have to take a written, oral and practical exam to belt up?

Yeah sounds like BJJ is the one who takes itself seriously. Kek

>>254312
>1 hour long warmups and doing Burpees until you puke?
You can go to the BJJ general right now and find multiple people complaining about bullshit warmups.

>>254314
That proves it doesn't take itself seriously. What does "taking itself seriously" mean? It obviously means unnecessary formality, rigidity and strict rules and adhering to no fun allowed sort of mindset. Of all the martial arts you listed BJJ fits the least of these criterias

>>254321
>Of all the martial arts you listed
>you
I'm not the same guy.

>>254326
Whoop de do. Good for you.

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>>254274
yep. you don't wanna end up like this.

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>>254312
>black belt promotion in judo
good job, here's your certificate and belt
>black belt promotion in bjj
WE WUZ SAMURAI AND SHIEEETTT

>>254226
Jiujitsu doesn't have its own version if stand up, it just copies stuff it sees elsewhere and ends up with ineffective out of context moves
Like turning throws are generally pants on head retarded to do in a jiu jitsu context because the back exposure is a score
The same way you will see people practicing shots by dropping to their knees because that's what they do in wrestling, but in wrestling the posture has the legs way further back and there isn't any reason to get so low in jiujitsu to gain leg access

At the hobbyist level jiujitsu people beat the brakes off of every other grappling art, But at the professional level they are by far the least skilled grapplers

>>254385
So what you're saying is bjj takes what works from wrestling and judo in a more realistic actual combat situation?

>>254393
Yeah the realist combat where you sit down and spread your legs.

>>254395
>Guard doesn't work

You don't train

>>254397
GUARD THIS
>*stomps your balls repeatedly *

>>254393
Not what I said at all

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>>254344
>ALL SMILES

>>254399
*Catches your leg in x guard and leg locks you*

>>254436
Show 5 examples of this happening in MMA

>>254321
>It obviously means unnecessary formality, rigidity and strict rules and adhering to no fun allowed sort of mindset. Of all the martial arts you listed BJJ fits the least of these criterias
BJJ also has the most sexual predators. Coincidence? I think not.

>>254450
Show 5 examples of ball stomps in early MMA or KOTS

>>254462
I don't watch slop

>>254471
I accept your defeat

>>253883
Hapkido was invented by children.

All roads lead to Ura nage, it's not even fun anymore.

>>254496
You don't get to just reframe a question without answering then say you won because I won't answer it

>>254570
Only if you're a manlet who sucks
>>254350
>heated to 1500 degrees
ackshually...

>>254572
Defeat accepted

>>254576
sorry brotato, but every throw gets mogged by ura nage variations

its the end-all counter and offensive technique

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is this really as bad\dangerous\harmful as it looks?

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>>254608
ura nage is a pretty low percentage throw

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>>254670

>get taught a move
>brain can't connect all the dots
>slosh around like a retard
>session ends
>brain still doesn't get it in the next session
i dont mind being thrown or lose, i don't care if i win. i want to know why things ain't sticking with my brain fuck my chud body

>>254841
Adderall NOW

What do you find more important: Head control or center of mass control?

Judo:
>You have to land them flat on their back
>Why?
>I DONT KNOW YOU JUST HAVE TO ITS CALLED IPPON AND THE SAMURAI DIED IF IT WAS IPPON

Kek

>>254928
Wrestling:
>You have to land them flat on their back
>Why?
>I DONT KNOW BUT THE SUPERIOR ANGLO WHITE MAN INVENTED IT SO IT MUST BE CORRECT

Kek

>>254932
BJJ:
>Get them to the floor in the simplest and most effective ways and then fuck their shit up
>Oh that sounds pretty good
>Yes

Kek

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>>254937
>BJJ
>Tries to get them to the floor
>Can't

Kek

>>254940
>Judo
>"I can't touch your legs whilst standing so I'm going to do a low percentage overly complicated hip throw to take you down!"
>BJJ
>*Drags you down crudely and chokes you*

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>>254958 >>254992

JewJizu sisters??! WHAT THE FUCK!?!?

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>>254945
>BJJ
>hehe, we don't do complicated low percentage moves like judo
>*breaks neck doing 360 noscope flying armbar*

>>254945
Trial class schizo, you've washed out of judo and wrestling. Where are you going to after when you inevitably wash out of BJJ?

Tai chi? Pilates?

>>254949
Judo - mostly pointless over complicated shit to score arbitrary ippon.. only works when foot sweeping drunks who are falling over already

Wrestling - good but lack of subs make it sub optimal for combat

BJJ - takes wrestling and judo and makes it optimal for combat

>>254928
Judo is more realistic than bjj. Most people are armed nowadays. If you get thrown and thrower has a knife, it's over.
This whole propaganda that the fight continues on the ground is just that, propaganda. Most people in the US carry a weapon even trained martial artists carry a knife or gun.
You're wasting your time with bjj. No one is gonna wanna butt scoot with you when they can just kick you in the face when you pull open

>>254947
propably the best evidence that bjj doesnt work
all bjj instructors say to avoid fights for a reason or to run. They know this shit doesnt work

>>254958
https://www.bjjee.com/featured/uk-woman-puts-sexual-attacker-to-sleep-with-triangle-choke-learned-at-self-defense-class/

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>>254979

>>254960

>>254960
Jokes on you, that was part of his fetish

>>254960
>the attacker looks like a retard
notice how she didnt try it on someone who is like 6'3 230lbs

>>254958
that woman's problem seems to be trying to submit someone who's standing up comfortably

>>254970
But standing up is against the rules! He'll get a penalty if he puts her down to hard or doesn't try to pass

>>254962
Learn to read
Journalist thinks kickboxers do triangle chokes

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>>254979
Triangle chokes huh? I wonder where BJJ got that from...

>>254980
Everyone acknowledges judo moves predate what's commonly considered bjj
But it's just pathetic and dishonest to try and say judo people can do submissions with any efficacy at all

I'd be more concerned with getting tapped by a wrestler than a judoka and submissions aren't even part of that sport

>>254982
>hehe, judo only works against drunks
>BJJ is good for self defense, look at this woman defending herself with a judo move!
>oh wait fuck that goes against my judo bad narrative nvm it doesn't count
Kek

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>>254982
It's pathetic and dishonest that you've been BTFO a thousand times by now and can't admit you're wrong even once.

>>254985
Thats not me you're replying to, but thanks for posting the only cherry picked gif of someone who's practicing judo for 20 years manage to finally do a SEO nage on someone in the wild

Meanwhile you can find 1000s of bjj people fucking everyone up. Curious

Also it's widely accepted when by judo people that it's not worth learning if you just want to take someone down efficiently. Judo is about the arbitrary high risk ippon.

A person doing wrestling or bjj for 2 years will btfo a 2 year judoka. Especially with strikes

>>254947
If only she closed that triangle right... she would have been slammed anyway lol

>>254992
You shrimp away whilst in triangle so they cant lift you, or posture sideways, grab their ankle and keep their head down

But yes, size and strength plays a part. If someone is much much bigger and stronger they will just overpower your technique

>>254985
Of course if you used your eyes you'd see the "judo guy" has a red bar on his belt, so he's a black belt in jiujitsu too

>>254996
Lol judo btfo as usual

>>254979
>bjj fighters
>knowing how to read

>>251722
I did this a lot as a yellow-belt, because I was taught to do it a lot. Yes, I did seriously injure another student doing it, but I'll continue to tani otoshi.

>>252496
>trick
Martial arts lost something important when we stopped referring to techniques this way.

>>254991
>Especially with strikes
BJJ people can't strike to save their lives.

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>>254991
>but thanks for posting the only cherry picked gif of someone who's practicing judo for 20 years manage to finally do a SEO nage on someone in the wild
>Especially with strikes

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>>254991

>>254996
>>255011
>guy with judo and bjj beats guy who only has bjj
not the own you think it is

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>>254991

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>>254991

>>255060
I've done it tons of times without tearing anyone's knee, but mostly as a counter

>>255064
>>255065
>>255067
>>255068
>>255070

Wow over 30 years of fights and we have 5 examples

>>255122
The trial class fag cries out in pain after being proven wrong for the millionth time.

>>255123
The bullshido nerd cried out in pain for the billionth time

>>254895
I'd say head to make them move, center mass to throw.

>>255066
I was literally just today teaching judo black belts how to pin and they were completely mind blown by the concept that wedging under the elbows prevents the person on bottom from rotating

The level of ineptitude from judo players is more then we could possibly imagine

>>255185
shit that didnt happen award

>>255187
It did

my friend today called uchi mata "some pbr type shit" cause someone threw somebody and they looked like a bull kicking up in the air trying to buck someone off

and it really got me thinking, cause it does really look like that

Judo won’t work in a real fight. Even if you do manage to get a hold of your assailant and throw them the effect of a throw or slam on an opponent with high levels of adrenaline is very little and they will most likely take you to the ground with them and beat you with superior training.

>>254937
Ground and pound seems a strange method of streetfighting. You’re too violent to consider the fight over after toppling your opponent or if necessary to pin your opponent or use less-violent submissions, yet you’re simultaneously unwilling to actually and fully embrace violence by using stomping techniques to put them in the hospital or morgue.

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>>255246
>the effect of a throw or slam on an opponent with high levels of adrenaline is very lit
-ACK

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>>254957
On the topic of knives and throwing why doesn’t anyone recommend throws for knife defense? People recommend a two-on-one grip on the knife arm all the time, usually one hand near the wrist the other near the elbow or bicep meaning the knife attacker has a bit of wiggle room to cut you, and then they don’t really do anything with this grip, maybe just go to the ground for an armbar. If you have two hands on the knife arm, why on Earth shouldn’t you go for a shoulder throw? Knife attacks don’t usually happen on gymnasium mats, they usually happen on concrete and asphalt. Slamming your foe on the ground could easily maim them. If you use the reverse elbow position for the shoulder throw you could even dislocate their arm without having to wrestle on the ground. Why doesn’t anybody recommend this?

>>255251
He face planted him and probably broke his neck

>>255248
You have to think about legality of things and the situation itself, and what you're good at.

If you start stomping heads that's attempted murder right there. You better have a good reason. It's all about the situation.

>>255230
>they looked like a bull kicking up in the air trying to buck someone off
Kek I always thought the same

>>255314

>>255230
>>255298
it really do be like that tho

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>>255313

Why does sumo and judo have different names for the same takedowns? They're both Japanese

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>>255317
Judo was developed in the modern era (late 19th/early 20th century) and had a standardized curriculum fairly early on. Most judo technique names are literal descriptions of the moves, ex. ippon seoi nage = one arm shoulder throw/one arm over the back throw.

Sumo is much older with a long and often convoluted history. Sumo techniques, or kimarite, had no standardization with there being 48 techniques on paper, but hundreds of different kimarite names being used in practice. It wasn't until the 1950s when the list of kimarite was officially formalized. Some kimarite are pretty close in name to the modern judo equivalent--ippon seoi nage in judo = ipponzeoi in sumo (webm related). However, many kimarite have stylized metaphorical names, similar to naming patterns used in other old school Japanese martial arts like classic jiujitsu. For example, sumo has a kimarite called "amiuchi" (fisherman's throw), because it looks like the motion a fisherman makes when throwing an net behind him.

>>255323
That's interesting. Thank you

Has your club brought back any leg grabs? I'm pretty much fucked when going against anybody 6 inches taller than me unless I get a good te guruma.

>>255388
Judo will rather die out than bring back leg grabs. It's already dying give it another 5 years

I don't like how smug judo is, so undeserved and elitist

Ok now that the yuko is back, if you get a seat belt grip on the back of your opponent off a failed takedown you get one

This small change massively fixes the sport
The turn and turtle is no longer a risk free option

>>255388
we do kosen judo

i thought yuko didnt mean anything, you could get 100 yukos but no ippon from it

>>255419
that's likely to happen in the US as the average person including bjj fighters are unable to differentiate between bjj and judo and think judo is bjj.

>>255420
a lot of people come to judo because they feel that way about bjj.
Almost every bjj school i went to, the classes were structure horribled
>15-30 minute warm up
>10 minutes of lessons
>5-15 minutes of drilling that one move
>expected to be proficient in it now
polar opposite on judo unless your instrcutor is a retard.

>>255519
and if you even questioned the instructors competance when it comes to teaching you were pretty much put on a shitlist and be encouraged for other students to not go easy on you or avoid you
in judo it's encouraged to help each other learn and if a student falls behind you should help them
in bjj it's literall
>DO THIS WAY
>I AM
>NO YOU ARENT STOP FUCKING WITH ME
>BUT IM DOING IT THE WAY YOU SHOWED ME
>NO YOU ARENT MOTHERFUCKER

>>255520
this has at least been my experience with bjj
left a bad taste in my mouth for the sport ever since

>>255521
and then there isnthe whole subset of schools that put you on a contract and ban cross training
bjj is the anti martial art of martial arts

>>255522
bjj instructors also compare it to chess regularly
but when you open the door and peek inside almost less than a handful of instrcutors wouldnt have the paitence learn chess let alone play it with how prevelant anger issues are in the sport and bad sportsmanship is

>>255523
All the bjj gyms I've been to have been full of happy friendly people who want to help you learn and most of the higher belts let you work a bit

Why can't this judo black belt throw an orange belt in randori?

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/aU-0oRXg5tg

>>255528
he's going 60% because they're on concrete and the orange belt is being really defensiev

Judo:
>Get them to the ground by using one of these 40 throws except you can’t even learn any of then until you’ve mastered falling first and you have to learn them all and you can’t learn striking unless that one old guy feels like teaching you today but you’re never allowed to use it in competition
Shin kicking:
>Kick him in the shins really hard
How do you cope, judofags?

>>255534
So judo doesn't work

>>255536
What's the point in coming onto these threads if you're just going to act like an embarrassing retard?

>>255528
Why couldn't this BJJ black belt beat a purple belt in rolling?
youtube.com/shorts/Nrh0iBB4WHg

>>255535
you get kicked in the shins in judo too, just practice sweeps with white belts

>>255528
the majority of judo isn't throwing the other person, it's gripfighting. you'll see that in constantly in pro competition, dudes gripfight for minutes and maybe land a throw in the last 60 seconds. this is where normies and spectators get bored and ditch the sport, that's why the IJF is trying to alter the rules because they want judo to be a spectator sport.. more flashy and throws to happen more often and less gripfighting

>>255551
So judo doesn't work

>>255528
How can you deal with a defensive opponent like this?

>>255573
doesn't work how?

>>255608
In competition? Throw foot sweeps and wait until they get shido’d for defensive posturing and/or inactivity.


In real life? I don’t know why you are fighting someone who is bent over with their arms straight out in front of them but if for some reason this is necessary their head is unprotected and they have no way to effectively strike you back. This is where atemi waza comes in. Specifically, uppercuts, knees, and front snap kicks to the nose OR hammer fists and knife hands to the neck and back of the head.

>>255665
What about sacrifice throws

>>255528
Judo general been real quiet since this dropped...

>>255712
because nobody comes on here

>>255669
Depends, if they’re bent over like that but still pressuring forward for some reason then yes you could make that work. Generally I try to make Ken Ken uchi mata started by pulling my opponent down and towards me. If I can’t get that to work I’ll transition into sumi gaeshi. This is different from defensive posturing though where the opponent is just trying to stay away from you. What I think you’re visualizing is an off balance position you force your opponent into rather than something the opponent is doing to try and prevent a throw.

If they’re moving backwards and trying to keep you away you might be able to move in for something like yoko tomoe nage but you’d be taking a big risk.

>>250126
>>250127
This reminds me to warn people on here not to date anybody from their gym. I went out with this girl in my class for over 6 months until I had to break it off and she didn't take too well to it and we had to keep seeing each other every session.

Shit sucks, I kept trying to avoid her as much as physically possible and I'm 99% sure she gossiped to the other women in the class. Avoid judo pussy at all cost.

>>255825
Yeah that sounds like a bad idea. The girl you're dating gets to see you getting thrown and submitted by dudes.

>>256450
i dont know why husbands bring their kids and wives to these places just to have them watch as they get manhandled

>>256528
Who cares man. There's always someone bigger and badder

>>256529
nah, my grandad was the biggest and baddest

he knocked out a horse with one punch

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/Xqpvh4hpzK8

Striking bros how do we recover?

>>250487
>small legs and a big torso, in which case he's completely fucked for Judo
Casual but unfortunately very widespread take. See Kosei Inoue, Aaron Wolf, and Shohei Ono launch niggas much taller than them with uchi mata (a leg dominant throw).

Bjj general won't answer me so I'm reposting here

How much can you learn trying to escape positions outside of the gym for example having your girlfriend mount you on the living room floor?

My girlfriend weighs 100kg btw

>>257003
A body is a body, no matter how disgustingly overweight. You should be able to drill the concepts. Of course your gf won't react like another practitioner so keep that in mind.

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How good at Judo would he be?

>>258064
Did he get a point for this?

>>258072
It counted as a yuko.

>>257497
That bit at the start happens a lot to me with osoto gari. I get worried about tearing a guy's ACL

>>251578

Thats a blown knee waiting to happen

>>253129

You mean warm ups? jfc you're simple.

>>253472

Yes. Its a very common grip for o uchi gari

>>250178
Eh. I probably would. I went to a local dodgeball tournament on an eighth of shrooms once.

>>256985
>3 generational talents (ie exceptions) disprove a commonly known fact
this is what happens when you don't tuck your head in when you're thrown

>>259025
>commonly known fact
Like how you need to step to the side and pull your opponent on your tippy toes with osoto gari? Or how you need to bend both your knees with any hip throw, yet you rarely if at all see it in matches? Common take does not automatically mean factual. And those three examples did it spectacularly at the highest levels, where the margins to win are much smaller in matches. You cannot tell me that the physics isn't there. Longer torso means heavier counterweight to drag opponent down. Shorter legs means able to slip right under centers of gravity much easier for the big lifts.
>t. Long legged uchi mata enjoyer

>>258245
Man morote is so strong

>>249897
There’s a judo gym nearby that exclusively teaches Judo and BJJ. It’s primarily a Judo gym though and they even offer nogi Judo. It’s taught by a former team USA Olympic medalist but it’s also kinda pricey at $175 a month. They send students out to compete regularly.

There’s another MMA gym right next to my work that teaches Judo, Wrestling, Muay Thai, BJJ, Boxing, and Kali. The judo program there is bretty good and the gym is similarly priced. They also send people out to compete. I do like the culture of the judo gym (less mma bros and zoomers) but I can’t deny the sheer affordability of being able to learn damn near all the martial arts in one place

Should I do the judo gym or the mma gym? I’m 27

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>>249897
Hi /judo/ka, I'm a white belt and I've been practicing judo twice a week for about a year. I am attending my first competition this weekend with my university judo club.
Does anyone have any good advice for my first competition? What throws should I go for? What is the easiest way to win if I'm not very good at judo? etc. Thanks

>>259257
It all really comes down to preference, whether you like grappling or striking more. I did judo and wrestling for years before I got interested in boxing and I'm only trying it out this year. if you're unsure, you should just try one gym each month and figure it out.

>>259407
Well many white belts have bad balance and often leave themselves open to an easy counter while trying to throw. If you have a throw that you're decent at and has worked in randori, stick to that and don't go for something new that you have little experience with. And don't let your opponent catch your lapel and sleeve like it's nothing, a lot of white belts have little idea of what to do in gripfighting. I would say attack first if you're not good at defensive work and countering, cause some guys will outgrip you until you're completely defenseless and their chances of successfully throwing you then become like 90%

>>259407
Won two matches / 6 :)