Are you attached to that thought?

>>43148989
No attachment also leads to suffering. Suffering is perspective. No more or less of anything one thing will change that. You need to recompile your code.

>>43148989
It also leads to love, and joy

>>43148989
This world is a retarded blob of shit and to tell you the truth, it never mattered.
That doesn't mean you have to suffer. It's just a thing that happens.
There is no amount of poop flinging mental gymnastics that could convince me that whatever is behind this world and the creation of humanity is worthy of anything but being pooped and peed on.

>if you wish to stop suffering, just stop caring about things

>>43148989
>suffering is bad
pussy

>>43148989
The nature of our world is impermanence, whatever you hold on to and is emotionally attached to will inevitably change its status to something that isn't what you desire. Relationship ends, your favorite tv show ends. Things break and get lost. Loved ones die and so on.

true but the onus shouldn't fall on us, the evil fake god of this universe just shouldn't have designed it so that caring about anything at all leads to suffering

you don't put a mouse into a maze loaded with death traps you installed around every corner and then blame him for taking a wrong turn into one of them

>if you don't want to suffer just don't think about it
Genius! I bet all the retards in antiquity were mesmerized by this amazing train of thoght

>>43148989
The existence of depression entirely btfo's Buddhism. Depression is the loss of attachment, some severe cases even detach from their desires to eat food or their desire to live. The end result isnt an unbreakable spirit that can endure everything like Buddhism predicts. Its a broken suffering one that cant leave the bed

>>43151675
I don't even remember a time in life when I desired food

>>43148989
Then give me all your stuff so I can carry the burden of your suffering

>>43151675
>Its a broken suffering one that cant leave the bed
Because it's too attached to staying in bed, duh

The original, hardcore, retroductive, dhamapandanahpoly truth was that everything, the unreal, the maya is founded on libido. "getting laid" as the kids put it. Some people over many years argued what the substance for life was, fire, water, earth, spirit? soul? No. It's this gooey magick stuff called libido, any alien squid planet, any dimension, any sense, it's got to be it or otherwise there's no life. It's the conductor for life, you don't understand this reality and the eternal truths if you don't understand it.

everything flows in and out, everything impregnates and imseminates if you look at the utmost smallest level to the intergalactic level. To end this process, this movement, this impregnation and insemination is to stop being pol and cel and become buddha and attain nirvana

I always thought this was such a retarded take, if i have a blaring headache it doesn't matter how "attached" or not I am to it, it still hurts like hell.

>>43148989
attachment also leads to fuckin lightning which is neither masculine nor feminine and is now ordering a drone strike

>>43152155
Why is pain bad? It's just a conditioned response that can be deconstructed and dissolved. Drop the resistance and the suffering disappears (not the pain though, that's not the point).
That doesn't mean you shouldn't go to the hospital to get it fixed but you don't have to suffer on your way there.

>>43152217
deconstruction and dissolving it has to be negotiated rather than mindread into the person-- across consent, which is the same reason they don't just do it

having to do so reduces one's agentic grip metric as the pain and attention draws away from daily life, which is also basically a problem of consent

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If I attached my dick to your ass, would you die?

>>43152217
Why would getting rid of suffering be any easier than getting rid of pain? Mind you, pain is also a response to stimuli like an injury

>>43148989
Suffering makes you stronger

>>43152308
Dunno. Probably because suffering is a result of interpreting whatever comes in through the senses and that can be turned off more easily.

>>43152344
Interpretation that differs from the normal way you see the world isnt a passive process, its an active one that will make your mind tired. People can summon a courage that will lessen the effects of pain too but its temporary, they cant live like that

Suffering is only bad if you have an attachment to peace

>>43151892
Skill issue

>>43148989
Attachment to the temporary does.
>>43152308
It isnt. It's much harder. But it applies more universally.
You also wouldnt want to get rid of pain - it is important information.
But SUFFERING is a needless reaction to that information. That can be done away with without harm, while removing pain is very dangerous.

>>43148989
>just stop resisting the archons
>it will still hurt a lot when they farm you, but it's your choice to care about the pain
>just don't care about anything nigga, just sit around and wait to be harvested
>>43152323
This mindset is only noble if you work towards abolishing the need for suffering, otherwise it's just masochism.
>wagies work to learn how to work better
same connotation
There are entities, the very same who force this meme, that don't suffer a day in their lives. They poke your cage with spears from a place of complete safety, they are slovenly jellies.

>>43152952
what is that even supposed to mean? do you ever think before posting you absolute fucking retard? skill iseu hurrrr

guess you finally got to use those two stupid words in a post like all the cool kids you saw doing it, happy now?

>>43153017
probably deep enough in the thread to realize any and all soliloquy leads to suffering here

at some point you're just going to want to drop it and go after architecture

>>43153017
I believe that at a certain intensity, its impossible to get rid of suffering. Any normal person can change their perception of minor suffering like trying to enjoy a food they didnt like before. However, it becomes exponentially more difficult if they try to reduce the suffering that comes from eating literal shit
Suffering is a gradient that becomes harder to control the stronger it is. There is seemingly no ceiling to how extreme it can get, how could you possibly conquer all of it?

>>43149015
This will actually work if you're good enough at it
It isn't, necessarily, the golden goose when it comes to attaining enlightenment though, per say.

>>43149007
So your saying

Attachment leads to LARP.

Cool.

>>43148989
Attachment leads to suffering
but there is no suffering I have not benefited from in some way
though at some point it's like touching the stove again and again even though you already learned the lesson of the stove

>>43155877
What makes you assume that your suffering was the ONLY and/or OPTIMAL way to learn?

1.) You’re coping
2.) If it takes that to teach you lessons you’re really insulting yourself.

Stop rationalizing evil.
Stop trying to give evil utility.

>>43155893
suffering is the optimal way to learn, it provides the best motivation for self improvement. Evil absolutely has utility, it provides the contrast that makes good meaningful, without the capacity to be evil, there would be no choice to be good, there would be no way to determine good from evil. There would be no free will. Evil it motivates the good to prevent evil, suffering motivates human beings to prevent suffering. If we didn’t have evil or suffering, we would have never progressed a species, we would have never achieved anything, there would be nothing to take pride in, nothing to overcome. A world without evil is pure hell, you would become bored out of your mind and have nothing to do. This is why heaven is a horrifying absurdity; an eternity with literally nothing to achieve because everything is provided and everything is already discovered and there remains nothing to overcome. Humanity, life, existence, is defined by the struggle. We are nothing without it.
You have a naive, childlike perception of the world. In desiring a world without evil, without suffering, you create a world with maximum suffering, a world that is evil more evil than ours. That world would have everyone suffering the maximum amount because they would be bored and unfulfilled. Our world may have suffering and evil, but it also has the capacity for happiness and good. The world you envision, a world without evil, cannot have good or happiness. If there is a god, I am glad it does not intervene, I am glad it does not rob humanity of its pride and achievements, I’m glad it doesn’t do everything for us. Our world is flawed, but it’s our world, our experience, our accomplishments. I’m not saying we shouldn’t struggle against evil or suffering, it is that struggle that makes life worth living. However, if we ever eliminated it completely, it would be a travesty, and we would lose meaning and purpose.

>>43155929
>is optimal
Maybe for total morons

>incentive to self improve
Pity you don’t have that already in you.

>no choice to be good
Good can exist without evil midwit

>evil and suffering motivate to prevent themselves

Sum zero game midwit. Totally artificial problem

>be bored out of your mind

Stop projecting midwit. Can you believe some people like peace and quiet?

You have a totally immature and stunted worldview

You cannot self motivate you need external pressure

You need things to do. Larps to reach for. You cannot just be satisfied. What are you running from?

You literally are just so uncomfortable without self and so desperate for cope and narrative you rationalize the mess of the world your end to soothe yourself.

Maybe one day you’ll grow up. Until then I hope your life is full of suffering and evil since you love it so dearly.

The only demons are the ones you create.

>>43155941
>Maybe for total morons
for everyone. without suffering, you would be nothing. Suffering was the tool that inspired your evolution into a human being and what continues to inspire humanity. You cannot detach your existence or your accomplishments from the suffering that built our species and continues to develop it.
>Pity you don’t have that already in you.
it is the desire to prevent suffering that is the source of all self improvement, including you, despite however much you’d like to deny it
>Good can exist without evil midwit
good is defined by its struggle with evil. If everything is good, nothing is good. It provides contrast, I understand a fool like you hasn’t actually thought about it. Good would be meaningless without evil, the word itself would be meaningless.
> Sum zero game midwit. Totally artificial problem
life has no meaning or purpose without evil and suffering, you’re a child.
> Can you believe some people like peace and quiet?
You would get bored out of your mind. An eternity with nothing to do would create the maximum amount of suffering. By seeking to remove suffering, you would ensure it. It’s ironic really, but the universe is beautifully poetic.
> You cannot self motivate you need external pressure
Everyone, including you, is motivated by external pressure. Lie to me to win the ebin internet debate, but dont lie to yourself, one who does not know and accept themselves can never achieve self respect. How can you respect yourself if you do not know yourself? All you’ve done is expose your immaturity.
>You need things to do
everyone does
> You cannot just be satisfied
Neither can you. You have zero experience with a world without suffering or evil, how can you know for sure that you’d be satisfied in that world? You can’t, youre full of shit and it’s embarrassing.
>so desperate for cope
projection.
> I hope your life is full of suffering and evil
wouldn’t have it any other way, suffering builds character

>>43156002
> for everyone. nothing without suffering

No and I can claim with 100% absolute certainty I have learned meaningful things outside of suffering.

I can also tell you that without suffering the utility of what can be learned from it ceases to exist. Again it’s meaningless cope.

You exist after the fact and in eternal reaction. You have the will of others forced upon you and try to make sense of it. This is not maturity. It’s being a coping bitch. Literally.

>the desire to prevent suffering is the source of all self improvement

Again you are myopic as can be. You aren’t even driven by this. You are driven by pure ego as a coping mechanism to a world you are too weak to escape or meaningfully change. Again a coping peasant.

I would rather have the absence of suffering. I don’t need an ego trip like you. Stunted development.

>good undefined as struggling against evil

No it isn’t. Nor isnevil defined as being opposed to good. Again midwit sum zero game. Chicken or the egg.

You stooge they exist on thier own. It’s as though you’re saying health cannot exist without disease. It is pure rubbish and again sloppy idiocy meant to make yourself feel better.

>life has no meaning without

No I’m not a child. You literally need “meaning”. Again why aren’t you just content to be? What are you running from? Again a sum zero game.

Again you just need to fuel your ego and distract you. You make living sound like a wagie job.

Again. You’re not a man. You’re a coping bitch. Literally. I’m not using bitch by accident.
(PART 1)

>you would be bored out of your mind

Being easily bored is commonly associated with psychopathy btw. Sounds about right.

No I wouldn’t. You are projecting yourself on to me you vain freak.

And even IF I was there are a myriad of ways to entertain one’s self without struggle and inventing a dramatic narrative for it.

>external pressure

I resent the fact that there are external pressures I never asked for. It’s part of being in this realm of someone else’s design.
But you can delude yourself in your vanity to say it’s what motivates you.


What motivates someone to plant a flower? To give to the needy? Etc etc. again you are being an absolutist on a philosophy built only to make yourself feel better feel good because you are to weak to analysis things fully.

>projection

Not at all. You can’t even elaborate like I do.

>suffering builds character

>only character in an imperfect world

Face it you only seek to rationalize it because you are weak and afraid and cannot face this.

So like a wagie you roll with it. Identify it

But I guarantee you that you don’t pursue suffering. You don’t. You’re full of shit and quite frankly will never be anything more than a total piss ant.

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>>43148989
Suffering is overhated. So I suffer. So what?

>>43156131
So you can either cope and say it’s a learning experience. Makes it easy to roll over.

(Brain dead and submissive)

Or understand it to have been unnecessary and aim to remove it as much as possible

(Optimal some effort required)

>>43156139
What if I do neither? I just suffer, or maybe I don't. Whatever.

>>43156161
So you would have an experience you register as suffering yet have no reaction to it?

Are you a Daoist?

I suppose that perhaps you would at least be curious about not having to repeat the experience?

>>43156170
I like Daoism from what I've seen, but I can't say I'm a Daoist as I'm just a dilettante.
As for suffering, I don't really avoid it for its own sake. I might avoid something that involves suffering, after all I still have instincts. Then again sometimes I embrace suffering and even savour it. Sometimes it can be compelling. Why? I don't really know why. I used to try to evaluate things (experiences) in terms of values. Suffering vs benefit vs whatever else. But I became convinced that such evaluations are impossible and silly. I encounter suffering here and there whatever I do. It is what it is.

>>43156206
Well, I’m not trying to be rude but it sounds like alike you’ve got to figure things out for yourself. You admit as much and it would be safe to say any point of view downstream from that would be pretty feeble.

Don’t quit because it’s too hard or whatever.

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>>43156247
You mean don't quit trying to find the value of things? I don't mean that I abandon any kind of value or meaning. I mean that I don't particularly care about suffering or happiness. They will come and go, and I will savour them if I can.

>>43156295
I guess.

Happiness is a total scam.
Mental suffering can be overcome.

I guess its prompts are just in such bad taste to me.

>>43156300
Well, I don't feel the need to overcome mental suffering. I agree that chasing happiness is a scam. However I find happiness, like suffering, is inevitable. I will sip from the cup when it passes my way.

>>43148989
Instead of suffering, just stop suffering. Just say "I love this". Don't reject attachment to avoid suffering, become attached to your suffering so hard it stops being suffering.

>>43156306
What prompts your satisfaction with always being the proverbial “object acted upon”?

>>43156312
>Learn to love it bitch!
*rape rape rape*

>>43156335
One can never be truly free. Privation and suffering are simply part of the fabric of human experience.

There is no man so rich he no longer desires money, no man so fat he no longer desires food, no man so well rested he will never again desire sleep, no man so sexually satisfied he will never crave sex again.

There is no permanent bliss in this world, and craving it is futile. One can either accept that or not. Desiring freedom from desire is rejecting life. I choose to simply accept that some suffering is inevitable.

>>43156377
>One can never be truly free

Outstanding defeatism.

>part of the human experience

What a myopic scope of existence. And in any case it was a designed existence. It didn’t have to be that way and at one point it was not.

>describes greedy materialists

ATTACHMENT LEADS TO SUFFERING

All you’re excepting is being a little bitch bros LMAO BEND OVER

>>43156312
It's so funny to me when facebook boomers try to give their own twist to buddhism, but that bit gets way funnier when there's a pajeet on a pashtun foreskin wielding forum talking about rape at the same time

>>43156395
They’re fucking peasants. Wages and salary men losers.