Are you attached to that thought?

>>43148989
No attachment also leads to suffering. Suffering is perspective. No more or less of anything one thing will change that. You need to recompile your code.

>>43148989
It also leads to love, and joy

>>43148989
This world is a retarded blob of shit and to tell you the truth, it never mattered.
That doesn't mean you have to suffer. It's just a thing that happens.
There is no amount of poop flinging mental gymnastics that could convince me that whatever is behind this world and the creation of humanity is worthy of anything but being pooped and peed on.

>if you wish to stop suffering, just stop caring about things

>>43148989
>suffering is bad
pussy

>>43148989
The nature of our world is impermanence, whatever you hold on to and is emotionally attached to will inevitably change its status to something that isn't what you desire. Relationship ends, your favorite tv show ends. Things break and get lost. Loved ones die and so on.

true but the onus shouldn't fall on us, the evil fake god of this universe just shouldn't have designed it so that caring about anything at all leads to suffering

you don't put a mouse into a maze loaded with death traps you installed around every corner and then blame him for taking a wrong turn into one of them

>if you don't want to suffer just don't think about it
Genius! I bet all the retards in antiquity were mesmerized by this amazing train of thoght

>>43148989
The existence of depression entirely btfo's Buddhism. Depression is the loss of attachment, some severe cases even detach from their desires to eat food or their desire to live. The end result isnt an unbreakable spirit that can endure everything like Buddhism predicts. Its a broken suffering one that cant leave the bed

>>43151675
I don't even remember a time in life when I desired food

>>43148989
Then give me all your stuff so I can carry the burden of your suffering

>>43151675
>Its a broken suffering one that cant leave the bed
Because it's too attached to staying in bed, duh

The original, hardcore, retroductive, dhamapandanahpoly truth was that everything, the unreal, the maya is founded on libido. "getting laid" as the kids put it. Some people over many years argued what the substance for life was, fire, water, earth, spirit? soul? No. It's this gooey magick stuff called libido, any alien squid planet, any dimension, any sense, it's got to be it or otherwise there's no life. It's the conductor for life, you don't understand this reality and the eternal truths if you don't understand it.

everything flows in and out, everything impregnates and imseminates if you look at the utmost smallest level to the intergalactic level. To end this process, this movement, this impregnation and insemination is to stop being pol and cel and become buddha and attain nirvana

I always thought this was such a retarded take, if i have a blaring headache it doesn't matter how "attached" or not I am to it, it still hurts like hell.

>>43148989
attachment also leads to fuckin lightning which is neither masculine nor feminine and is now ordering a drone strike

>>43152155
Why is pain bad? It's just a conditioned response that can be deconstructed and dissolved. Drop the resistance and the suffering disappears (not the pain though, that's not the point).
That doesn't mean you shouldn't go to the hospital to get it fixed but you don't have to suffer on your way there.

>>43152217
deconstruction and dissolving it has to be negotiated rather than mindread into the person-- across consent, which is the same reason they don't just do it

having to do so reduces one's agentic grip metric as the pain and attention draws away from daily life, which is also basically a problem of consent

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If I attached my dick to your ass, would you die?

>>43152217
Why would getting rid of suffering be any easier than getting rid of pain? Mind you, pain is also a response to stimuli like an injury

>>43148989
Suffering makes you stronger

>>43152308
Dunno. Probably because suffering is a result of interpreting whatever comes in through the senses and that can be turned off more easily.

>>43152344
Interpretation that differs from the normal way you see the world isnt a passive process, its an active one that will make your mind tired. People can summon a courage that will lessen the effects of pain too but its temporary, they cant live like that

Suffering is only bad if you have an attachment to peace

>>43151892
Skill issue

>>43148989
Attachment to the temporary does.
>>43152308
It isnt. It's much harder. But it applies more universally.
You also wouldnt want to get rid of pain - it is important information.
But SUFFERING is a needless reaction to that information. That can be done away with without harm, while removing pain is very dangerous.

>>43148989
>just stop resisting the archons
>it will still hurt a lot when they farm you, but it's your choice to care about the pain
>just don't care about anything nigga, just sit around and wait to be harvested
>>43152323
This mindset is only noble if you work towards abolishing the need for suffering, otherwise it's just masochism.
>wagies work to learn how to work better
same connotation
There are entities, the very same who force this meme, that don't suffer a day in their lives. They poke your cage with spears from a place of complete safety, they are slovenly jellies.

>>43152952
what is that even supposed to mean? do you ever think before posting you absolute fucking retard? skill iseu hurrrr

guess you finally got to use those two stupid words in a post like all the cool kids you saw doing it, happy now?

>>43153017
probably deep enough in the thread to realize any and all soliloquy leads to suffering here

at some point you're just going to want to drop it and go after architecture

>>43153017
I believe that at a certain intensity, its impossible to get rid of suffering. Any normal person can change their perception of minor suffering like trying to enjoy a food they didnt like before. However, it becomes exponentially more difficult if they try to reduce the suffering that comes from eating literal shit
Suffering is a gradient that becomes harder to control the stronger it is. There is seemingly no ceiling to how extreme it can get, how could you possibly conquer all of it?

>>43149015
This will actually work if you're good enough at it
It isn't, necessarily, the golden goose when it comes to attaining enlightenment though, per say.

>>43149007
So your saying

Attachment leads to LARP.

Cool.

>>43148989
Attachment leads to suffering
but there is no suffering I have not benefited from in some way
though at some point it's like touching the stove again and again even though you already learned the lesson of the stove

>>43155877
What makes you assume that your suffering was the ONLY and/or OPTIMAL way to learn?

1.) You’re coping
2.) If it takes that to teach you lessons you’re really insulting yourself.

Stop rationalizing evil.
Stop trying to give evil utility.

>>43155893
suffering is the optimal way to learn, it provides the best motivation for self improvement. Evil absolutely has utility, it provides the contrast that makes good meaningful, without the capacity to be evil, there would be no choice to be good, there would be no way to determine good from evil. There would be no free will. Evil it motivates the good to prevent evil, suffering motivates human beings to prevent suffering. If we didn’t have evil or suffering, we would have never progressed a species, we would have never achieved anything, there would be nothing to take pride in, nothing to overcome. A world without evil is pure hell, you would become bored out of your mind and have nothing to do. This is why heaven is a horrifying absurdity; an eternity with literally nothing to achieve because everything is provided and everything is already discovered and there remains nothing to overcome. Humanity, life, existence, is defined by the struggle. We are nothing without it.
You have a naive, childlike perception of the world. In desiring a world without evil, without suffering, you create a world with maximum suffering, a world that is evil more evil than ours. That world would have everyone suffering the maximum amount because they would be bored and unfulfilled. Our world may have suffering and evil, but it also has the capacity for happiness and good. The world you envision, a world without evil, cannot have good or happiness. If there is a god, I am glad it does not intervene, I am glad it does not rob humanity of its pride and achievements, I’m glad it doesn’t do everything for us. Our world is flawed, but it’s our world, our experience, our accomplishments. I’m not saying we shouldn’t struggle against evil or suffering, it is that struggle that makes life worth living. However, if we ever eliminated it completely, it would be a travesty, and we would lose meaning and purpose.

>>43155929
>is optimal
Maybe for total morons

>incentive to self improve
Pity you don’t have that already in you.

>no choice to be good
Good can exist without evil midwit

>evil and suffering motivate to prevent themselves

Sum zero game midwit. Totally artificial problem

>be bored out of your mind

Stop projecting midwit. Can you believe some people like peace and quiet?

You have a totally immature and stunted worldview

You cannot self motivate you need external pressure

You need things to do. Larps to reach for. You cannot just be satisfied. What are you running from?

You literally are just so uncomfortable without self and so desperate for cope and narrative you rationalize the mess of the world your end to soothe yourself.

Maybe one day you’ll grow up. Until then I hope your life is full of suffering and evil since you love it so dearly.

The only demons are the ones you create.

>>43155941
>Maybe for total morons
for everyone. without suffering, you would be nothing. Suffering was the tool that inspired your evolution into a human being and what continues to inspire humanity. You cannot detach your existence or your accomplishments from the suffering that built our species and continues to develop it.
>Pity you don’t have that already in you.
it is the desire to prevent suffering that is the source of all self improvement, including you, despite however much you’d like to deny it
>Good can exist without evil midwit
good is defined by its struggle with evil. If everything is good, nothing is good. It provides contrast, I understand a fool like you hasn’t actually thought about it. Good would be meaningless without evil, the word itself would be meaningless.
> Sum zero game midwit. Totally artificial problem
life has no meaning or purpose without evil and suffering, you’re a child.
> Can you believe some people like peace and quiet?
You would get bored out of your mind. An eternity with nothing to do would create the maximum amount of suffering. By seeking to remove suffering, you would ensure it. It’s ironic really, but the universe is beautifully poetic.
> You cannot self motivate you need external pressure
Everyone, including you, is motivated by external pressure. Lie to me to win the ebin internet debate, but dont lie to yourself, one who does not know and accept themselves can never achieve self respect. How can you respect yourself if you do not know yourself? All you’ve done is expose your immaturity.
>You need things to do
everyone does
> You cannot just be satisfied
Neither can you. You have zero experience with a world without suffering or evil, how can you know for sure that you’d be satisfied in that world? You can’t, youre full of shit and it’s embarrassing.
>so desperate for cope
projection.
> I hope your life is full of suffering and evil
wouldn’t have it any other way, suffering builds character