I am going to try and make a very, very long story short here and say I dabbled in the occult for about 5 years and about a year ago figured out there were entities that have been harassing me my entire life (ironically, them showing up has nothing to do with the occult stuff) I have had direct encounters with them and been attacked by them several times, and I believe they implanted me with something that has kept me from being able to astral project or develop other abilities. The guy I was working with at the time and helped me figure out what was happening showed me how to at least keep them at bay somewhat, and at the very least they react to the name of Christ, and I have seen them banished in his name, even if they seem to keep coming back. I worked with this guy until a couple of months ago when he ghosted me, and I have had to navigate all this on my own pretty much since.(1/4)
The issue is that this has left me trapped between a rock and a hard place. I don't really believe in the message of Christ, but I also cannot deny him either. The problems with Christianity are numerous. I take issue with the idea of original sin and that we have to apologize to god for even existing when it was his choice to make us. Even if Adam and Eve did make a choice against him, he is the one who chose to have it continue by ordering them to reproduce rather than just starting over, making him just as complicit. I don't believe in forgiveness of my enemies, and honestly, every single time it is done, even in Christian scriptures it backfires. It honestly gets to the point where Christians will start saying that everything that is good only happens because of God, while every single thing that is bad is your fault to the point it is basically a denial of free will. Even if you take the position of the Calvinists and say there is no free will, then the entire exercise of existence becomes a pointless act of cruelty by God. There is also the fact that he demands we work on his timelines when that is basically impossible for us. Christ's coming was prophesied to the Jews 1000 years before he came, and by the time he showed up, they could not recognize him. For us, it has been twice that long, yet we are expected to keep everything perfect? Not even counting all the men of power who have had their hands on the bible over the centuries, just the changes in the meaning of words and translations have left us with only scraps of the original.
It would be more productive to study them both while acknowledging basic day to day things like community health service etc in a basic christian framework. Most of the 'occult' are basically jokes and herbal recipes created under a christian paradigm anyway.
Then there's the issue of how the bible tells us to be "childlike" and passive. God refers to himself as the father, yet it is a father's job to teach his children to surpass him, yet he insists on keeping us infantile and dependent on him for everything. These are just issues I can come up with off the top of my head, and I understand we can't know everything and that some level of faith is required, but each one of these issues on its own is a hole big enough to drive a semi-truck through. I can never escape the feeling of the Hegelian Dialectic with God in that he is creating the problem to sell himself as the solution. When I finally went to join a church, I ended up with the Mormons surprisingly. The Protestants were out for obvious reasons, the Catholics were out because the pope is an attempt to replace Christ, so this left it as the Orthodox vs. the Mormons. I cross-attended both for a while, and what I felt with the Orthodox was that they were making the same mistakes as the Pharisees, with an overfixation on rules and an unwillingness to confront the world and its ills, particularly when it comes to matters like liberalism and Islam. In one conversation I had before making my choice, where I was talking about the Templars, someone said, "A warrior order is antithetical to Christianity," and that was when I knew I was in the wrong place, they would rather be killed to appear virtuous than confront evil to establish virtue. Also, for as much as they get made fun of, the Mormons are probably the most Christlike in their actions as a congregation of any denomination and have been extremely fruitful in a very short amount of time. The amount of things that are just straight-up made up about Mormons is kind of insane, and I don't really get why they are so hated when they don't really do anything to anyone. Seriously, the hate directed at Mormons is worse than Catholics vs. Protestants in the modern era, and I don't get why as they are good people.(3/4)
All of this is further complicated by the existence of an entity that has been hanging around me since all of this started, and I have no idea what she even is at this point. Is she good? bad? Something else? I have no idea, but I don't want to banish her without knowing as if she isn't evil, she is the only one around me who has ever bothered to care without being forced to. Yet all of my attempts to get past the veil to get some actual answers have failed. I am at the point I have no idea what to do anymore, and I feel like I am running out of time to figure it out. I will also add that I do get the impression that the negative entities are slightly afraid of me, in the sense that if I ever break free of what they are doing, whatever I do after is going to hurt them a lot. I honestly don't know what I am expecting from this thread, but I don't really know where else to go for advice at this point. (4/4)
I can also go into more detail about the entities harassing me if needed, but I cut that as this OP is already 4, now 5, posts long.
>>43147392>I worked with this guy until a couple of months ago when he ghosted me, and I have had to navigate all this on my own pretty much since.SpookyHe probably ghosted you because he was too distracted if it was an online thing desu, sometimes you can’t be bothered to keep up online relationships/friendships because you have too much stuff going on - don’t take it personally
>>43147418We were actually considering starting our own church. From what I can gather, I think he just felt I wasn't useful to him, and he didn't want to do what I wanted to do. In the end, I think he was just selfish, so yeah, I take it a bit personally, but he isn't the point of the thread.
>>43147392You really ought to kill yourself. You worship a kike - lol.
>>43147392They are not mutually exclusive, though. Both are false paths, too (kind of). Everything you need spiritually is already in you, no need for anything external, you know?
calling it a simulation is an insult, it is however createdthe rules for energy transformation that is in space existed long before the atoms/energy your soul occupies. space is a multidimensional, timeless medium, that all forces/energy operate on. the periodic table of elements spiral, meaning the energy folds into this relative dimension, the same spiral repeats with gravity in free fall, and EM with photons/particles, and ultimately life, as you can see evident by the embryo stages of life, that it builds on top, it spirals into creating creators. DNA formation is a direct result of the same rules for energy transformation. believe it or not god/the rules, didn't just create humans, humanity is just the equivalent of a creator in this solar system, there are sentient being like humans across the milky way. Humanity hasn't realized what it is, the dimensional energy transformation it is, what the soul is. you can't measure the soul for example because it operates through space, not on space, it's faster than light, and cannot be measured by instruments bound by relative dimensional energy. time is space folding.MERT (Mass Energy Research Technologies) has the answers.creation is generative, there is continuity, time is a meme, but together as creators we create a timeline a world to transform through, and it is the this world that shapes creators. plus sum is the inherit nature of reality and creation. they manipulate the free will you have to create this plus sum world through their ideology and coin, and result in a zero-sum, negative-sum world. they devalue values, time, work, life, ideas, something simple as a molecule of water by tainting it with plastic for profit; they go against nature. they are the enemy of creation.
every moment space pings every energy/force operating on it at a rate faster than the speed of light, your multidimensional signature, the spark of light that arrives in this relative dimension when the sperm and egg, the two halves of the vortex's meet to create the singularity you are, the creator, you fold into this dimension. we fold out on death. our bodies are merely vassals. there hasn't been a collective effort to understand what our souls are and what the universe/creation is and what we are. the brain is the most powerful weapon because your mind bends space, you might like it but there was another timeline, not everyone remembers it, but COVID was the split in realities/timelines, we are in the wrong one.
>>43147392I consider Christ to be a consciousness worth of admiring, although I don't follow the religion funded in his name, and how God is painted by the latter.>>43147394Forgiveness is about how you feel, not about pardoning someone and not avoiding the risk of the problem becoming recurring.>>43147402"Childlike" is this case means being open-minded, free of the bad habits and thought patterns that life in society has conditioned us to. God wants us to become less dependent of divine help for everything, and learn to make better choices so we become divine helpers ourselves.I do believe that being a warmonger is antithetical to Christ's principles, though, and that's only acceptable to take someone's life if it's to protect someone else's who's in immediate danger.>t. anon who learns about the occult
god, creation only values truth, balance, pure of heart and mind, and those knowingly/unknowingly perpetuating false doctrine to enslave burn. hell is for jews and jew slaves. every moment every action you take is balanced by an equal or opposite action through space, and that occurs beyond the speed of light. we are being watched, and have been for a long time. you can't trick or lie your way the universe knows, truth is balance.
there is a group/entity comprised of jews, masons, bankers, working against the good of creation, they taint the transformation of the soul by tainting the world it is occurring. evolution is just energy transformation after all, and all energy transformation follows the same rules, it was all created you see. we have been trapped inside, the way out is by creating a world without the zero sum and negative sum and deception/lies of this one we are in the truth quite literally sets mankind free. the free will man is given to create a plus sum world is inverted to create a zero sum, negative sum world using currency as a weapon. nature creates life, and it is inherently plus sum, native americans for example had a better understanding than Europeans about this concept. right, so this entity created abrahamic religions to create ideological and spiritual slaves to jews, and they inverted the bible and all that jewish nonsense to enslave instead of empower the human spirit and soul, the cross is actually a plus. over the last 2000 years the main entity that has left a trail has always been the bank through it's currency issuance, nations, empires fall but the bank continues, after all what is currency without slaves to consume it. the american revolution was about this entity getting their own slaves to print against, of course it took until the 1900s to fully accomplish this with the federal reserve being created, and the 1970s to completely trick the world into debt slavery. the debt unit, fiat currency devalues work, time, life. it might be hard for the american to cope with the fact that they are nothing but their foreskin farm and cattle to print against. you see the masons brought slaves, and then freed them, from the banks point of view they need cattle to print against, because they sure as fuck weren't going to be able to move the kingdoms of england, spain, etc... Elons enleague with them, Neuralink is evil, ai is evil, their agenda is evil.
Both bullshit
>>43147392Yes you're not crazy.And its the Illuminati doing this to you.Do yourself a favor, take the Bible, set it on the ground, take a shit on it, pick it up, hold it out in front of someones face and slam it shut.The Bible outright labels you as a slave with no rights. You're not even allowed to lust after women in Christianity. Fuck them, they're faggots.
>>43147392>>43148407Codes hidden in the Bible by vampires.
>>43147392https://allreligionsareone.org/
>>43147479Christ is king. Died ethically jewish. Spiritually Christian.
>>43148276>>43148277This has what to do with my OP?>>43148283I agree with the 1st point and would always make the argument that the penitent thief still died on his cross for the 2nd. As for the 3rd I can get behind the first half of it to some extent with that interpretation, but as for the warmonger thing, I have to disagree with Christianity here. Not to /pol/ fag here, but my observation is that almost every attempt to prevent war and the transition of power results in a worse outcome. A major reason the world is in the state it is in today is because the atomic bomb has rendered war between states impossible without total destruction that renders the act pointless. This has resulted in power stagnating and leaders of great corruption and incompetence, as they do not have to defend their power. The same is true on the smaller scale as well with people behaving like animals or monsters because they know they will face no repercussions. "Karens" only exist because it is illegal to bitchslap them. To borrow a quote from Teddy Roosevelt. "Unless we keep the barbarian virtues, gaining the civilized ones will be of little avail."
>>43148289I don't disagree with the bank thing, but 2 points. 1st, the world is zero-sum, unfortunately, for one person to have something, another person cannot have it, as you cannot create something out of nothing. There are ways to grow what is available, but you can't create free energy only make it more efficient. 2nd, the masons are kind of an odd situation. I have personally come to believe that they were actually attempting to counter the Illuminati until fairly recently, as they got taken over by them around the time of the US Civil War. The idea that they were always against us doesn't make any sense when you look into the founding of the US, with how many of the founders were Masons and how much of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights has been a pain in the ass for those seeking control to circumvent. If that was always their goal, why would they make their job deliberately harder? Washington also exchanged letters talking about the Illuminati and the threat they pose. I have a theory that Mormonism was an attempt by the Masons who could see the writing on the wall to save what they could of their teachings before they got taken over, and that it was repackaged as something more palatable to the public with Christian iconography.>>43148407The problem with me just walking away as I said I have seen demons repelled in Christ's name so unless you have an explanation for that I can't just write it off.
>>43148444so if nothing can convince you otherwise why are you here
It's about father in heaven. First try to answer these questions yourself:1.)What is the cause of the uncertainty principal?2.)What is action at a distance and what makes it possible?3.)What is the explanation of particle wave duality behavior?4.)What is the cause of the collapse of the quantum wave?5.)What are the requirements necessary to create consciousness?Once you realize the truth after answering these questions the impossible is made easy!
>>43147392>>43148444>Christ's nameChrist is the light of consciousness within you. It's not a name, but can be used as a title for christed beings.Jesus was a rabbi who was a powerful sorcerer and exorcist.What name exactly are you saying to these spirits? As part of a sentence, or like what is the actual phrase? How exactly do they react?
>>43148444Pursue it anon. You said yourself, Good and evil exists. Which side do you want to be on in the future?
I was into the occult too, until i had a psychotic break down. i felt as if i had been possessed by an entity, maybe a demon, maybe a succubus, anyways, while possessed i mentioned to someone that i was planning on becoming a priest, and that spooked the demon something good, but before it left it made sure to fuck up my body, gave me a UTI, constipation. I also had a psychotic break in which i had many delusions and felt as if i was being attacked by satanI ended up going to the psych ward and now have to get an anti psychotic injection once a month.Nowadays if i dabble in the occult its usually some more mainstream stuff like astrology, just basic bitch new ager stuffi remember being in the psych ward, the only person who was kind to me was this old lady who saw i was holding a bible, she wrote down some prayers for me and told me she would pray for mehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8u3P7Xqlvo
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>they react to the name of christyeah.. no shit. theyre skill-checking you.
>>43149350I consider this a possibility. I looked it up I thought Hegelian dialectic meant creating the problem to sell the solution, but I was wrong. Not sure what the term I was looking for was, but Christianity very much feels like it promotes the idea of sin just to sell itself as the solution to it. Not saying there isnt other evil shit out there though.
>>43149553yeah thats the popular definition, not the dictionary definition. think someone mistakenly meme'd it, and it caught on. its a tactic jews use. im not sure i know of a better term either, id just say hegelian dialectic probably in that create problem to sell solution scenario, even though it has nothing to do with either hegel nor dialectic. for your case its just a standard combination of preexisting pavlovian conditioning and jewish cultural contamination.>that very thing is preloaded right into john of patmos' schizophrenic ordeal in the cave in the book of revelation, and his extrapolating that to being rabbi yeshua. >the primary vector from which this arises is indicated in the original incident: paul on his way to damascus seeing [literally nothing] and extrapolating that to mean>dat must be rabbi yeshua bar-yosef>so just in the bible itself you have two textbook cases of the appropriate operant conditioning occurring, and from this, are the many other additional vectors littered throughout popular cultural from which they are ultimately derived.>essentially theyre npc instructions>if [schizonatural phenomenon] = unexplainable phenomenon >interpret as [jewish rabbi yeshua bar yosef from first century jewdea]your case leans more into the power of kike compels you meme. its all derived from the aforementioned formula though.when the gods/daemons/whatever go to skill check someone and they see this upon investigating a potentially anomalous subject, they mark you down as an npc. if you dont do that you can proceed and theyll issue you a series of tests, communication, torture, theyre attempting to gauge your reaction to various scenarios, which as i said is primarily done in dreams, only in real-time. its kinda like anal probing aliens investigating some new species. only theyre not aliens, its something on the back-end of reality.
>>43147392There are plenty of Christian mystics.>>43148144
>>43149553theyre neither good nor evil, theyre neutral, but will exhibit both, usually theyll lean into that which you think they are. if you think of them as a friend, a friend. a foe, a foe. but it doesnt preclude the other. its easier to befriend them or remain neutral. if you think of the demons, theyll totally embrace that just like dmt elves just to troll you, and then probably ghost you. its a once in a lifetime experience and youre either the sort of person who wants to know more or the sort of person who is content to remaining comfortable in what they already believe
>>43149681thats a pretty extensive but very weak list nglbest is swedenborg and steiner, which are pretty weak overall.one schizo unhandicapped by jew worship can easily dunk on all of themhttps://youtu.be/4Y6-BlkLGNk
>>43149670>>43149694Alright, I think I need to go into more detail here about some of my experiences. About a year ago, when I decided to convert I put together from a dream log I saved from when I first got into the occult that I have been implanted with something by what most people refer to as Greys but I am 99% sure after my research are Nephilim. I remember them mentioning in the "dream" that the implant was "sloppy work" and that they did something to it. I think the implant was intended to keep me from developing any kind of abilities at all, and since then I have had basically zero success in anything. I figured out that they have probably been doing things to me since I was like 10, as I tend to develop strong nosebleeds after encounters, and that is when I first started getting nosebleeds. This has forced me to try and learn through others to no success thus far, and at this point I am fairly sure anyone who actually knows what they are doing is either part of the cabal running this show or in deep hiding. It is also worth noting that when I figured this all out, I had the highest activity spike I had had since I had first started with the occult 5 years prior. I also remember bits of some abductions, like being floated out a window with blue light. I know they can alter and suppress memories, as well as influence emotions or try to force you to sleep. In a few encounters where I think I woke up before they were fully away, they seem to have the ability to induce paralysis as well. The only way I can describe it is it is what I imagine being tased feels like, with lightning arcing along my spine, but there is no pain accompanying it it is just uncomfortable. This also seems to become less effective the more they use it, as each time I have come closer to pushing through it. I have no idea how to deal with the implant or push past it and I am not sure there is a human alive who knows how to remove it, and I don't even know if it's physical, astral or both
What further complicates it is the first entity I encountered. As I said, she seems like she cares, so I don't want to banish her, but it's honestly proven impossible to tell if her intent is actually good or not, and my experience over my 5 years of occult work has only made it muddier, given that I have no real idea how much of our interaction through others is accurate. I THINK she is a succubus, but at this point I have no idea. She first showed up when I was reading the succgen thread on 8kun shortly after the name change, when it was still somewhat active. Noticing her presence is a major part of how I have fallen down the rabbit hole. I last saw her a few months ago in a dream shortly after my baptism. I didn't recognize the form, but I just knew it was her. There wasn't much to it she just hugged me. Figuring out just what she is and if she is genuine in how she seems to care about me is a major driving factor in my occult work. Though I have yet to have much luck in astral projection or interacting with her in any way.
>>43147392See>>43147692and >>43150042There is nothing more occult and dare I say based than Christianity. We literally partake in divine flesh and blood to be initiated into a new cosmic existence.We believe in a God who becomes flesh, dies, descends into the underworld, breaks the gates of death, offers his flesh and blood to his followers, promises to transform their bodies into immortal forms, and announces his eventual return to establish a new cosmic kingdom.
>>43149967>since then i have had zero success in anythingso since you took up christianity, you havent progressed spiritually, or in anything else for that matter. thats normal. itd be abnormal if you did.nephilim had physical bodies, did they not? so why do you think its nephilim and not any of the dozens of other similar concepts that are found in other cultures? howd you make that leap? and if its dreams, why not morpheus, or some other similar conception?if these are just dreams, i cant help you with the spiritual side. dreamstuff is meme stuff. you can meme that stuff into reality, but outside of dreams they are moreso byproducts of reality rather than innate and fundamental parts which is what i thought you were talking about, but now prob not.that numbness and tingling is normal with sleep issues. feels like you sat on your hand, or neural pain. if youre having nose bleeds that likely indicates youre probably having sleep seizures, also relatively normal. called uh.. sleep paralysis. you should get yourself tested at a sleep clinic. its actually very easy my ex had to do one. iirc you just wear a little pulsometer at home one night and they just read back the diagnostics to see how youre moving from rem. how soon is your nose bleeding? when you wake up, or you started getting after this started happening?like i said tho with the other thing, if you think its something evil like a succubus, its going to antagonize you/it into further thinking that. so its best to befriend or remain neutral. if you think theres demons, youre going to think its hostile and antangonize hostility. if you trust your god(s), and see the experience through an entirely different lens and accept its occurring for a reason and anything at that level would have to be a deliberate invention or even an agent of divinity, youll have an entirely different experience. cant even remember the last time i had a bad dream.
>>43150351Few things here, first, that lack of progress started a few months after getting into the occult, so it's been like 6 years. I only converted like a year ago. Second, it isn't just a tingling or numbness the times it has happened its like someone turned a vibrator up full blast and is holding it to my spine, it also doesn't fade slowly like would be the case with something like that, but stops instantly when it's over. Nosebleeds sometimes happen right after waking up sometimes not. Sleep issues are possible, but that would not explain why most of this started happening AFTER getting into the occult and not before. 3rd I am not convinced that succubi are evil in nature desu, as the reports around them can be extremely conflicting.
>>43150395that just sounds like sleep paralysis. you had an old hag try to sit on your face to try to suffocate you to death yet? because if you think its that, youre predisposing yourself into it being more likely to happen. its like handing someone shrooms for the first time, and right before they kick in telling them "whatever you do, dont think about dying". its the same chemistry.as per the other thing. theres no reason to think it has anything to do with you getting into the occult. its very probable it wouldve occurred regardless. your associating it with the occult likely is exacerbating it though. you want it to be related. and i know that because youre into the occult.
>>43150440I think you are trying too hard to rationalize it desu. When I say after I don't mean like "oh it happened later" I mean it happened for the first time within days of encountering the first entity thrn ground to almost a dead halt after the implant thing that at the time I had no idea what it ment so I could not have placeboed myself. Thats also not even getting into there being some clear relationship between dreams and the occult even if your argument was correct.
>>43150497its because your experience, at least as youve described it to me, isnt exactly paranormal. its actually relatively normal. sleep paralysis can last for up to 15 minutes after youve woken up. it might not be exactly that, but its a relatively common problem. the most concerning thing is the nosebleeds. theres nothing to suggest you studying occultism has any bearing on its onset. on top of that, nightmares and sleep paralysis are often intertwined. so if im being rational, its because there is a very rational explanation.
>>43147392occult christianity is the best occult.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MPHyR92MQic&ra=m
>>43150891aka when christians try to sprinkle in some paganism because christianity wasnt spiritually fulfilling enoughprobably more common than christianity is these days
>>43150887Here is another factor that doesnt match up with your hypothosis. I rarely dream overall or at least remember them and nightmares are extremely uncommon for me. I remember maybe 2-3 dreams a month if that.
>>43150976nah, thats actually a point in my favor anon.. it means you do in fact have sleep related issues. like i said..
>>43150917>>43150976prob have sleep apnea or some shit. you a fatty? i guess you dont have to be, thats what my gf had and she only weighed like 110, but it def helps
>>43151016it honestly sounds like you are trying to confirm your own bias and slide the thread at this point. If I had said I was having vivid dreams, that would have confirmed your theory, and now you are saying me not having dreams is confirming your theory. You can't just claim the whole field, then claim you are right no matter what. Also, not every encounter I have had over the years involves sleep, just the ones I have mentioned as they are most relevant here. I have had things happen with the first entity while wide awake. There is also the literal fact that the state between wake and sleep is the same brain state reached during spiritual meditation. Even if you were right it doesn't disprove any of it. I am not going to continue this argument any further because it is pointless.
>>43151047>it honestly sounds like you are trying to confirm your own biassounds like projection >and slide the thread at this point.been bumping your thread this entire time. youre looking for reasons to villainize me. >If I had said I was having vivid dreams, that would have confirmed your theory, and now you are saying me not having dreams is confirming your theory.my theory is you have a sleep related health issue, so yes. im looking for you to provide some evidence thats not the case but so far you havent provided it, and youve confirmed my theory now, twice.feels to me like you are trying to make a completely normal thing seem like a paranormal thing, when theres nothing to suggest it is. theres a very child-like naivety to the way you are in denial of that fact.>There is also the literal fact that the state between wake and sleep is the same brain state reached during spiritual meditation.ok well lets hear them then, im only gauging based on what youve what told me told me so far. and so far it sounds like a sleep related issue. ever fallen asleep while 'meditating'?
>>43151047>>43151023meant to quote this part>Also, not every encounter I have had over the years involves sleep, just the ones I have mentioned as they are most relevant here.maybe they are, maybe theyre not. are they paranormal?
>>43151123Well, for starters, I already mentioned that I could feel the first entity's presence when she first showed up. I have felt her and other entities touch me before, one in particular was hard enough it pushed me forward, and I wasn't expecting it either. Seen a shadow person before while wide awake. These are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.
>>43151151>Well, for starters, I already mentioned that I could feel the first entity's presence when she first showed up. I have felt her and other entities touch me before, one in particular was hard enough it pushed me forward, and I wasn't expecting it either.but this was in your sleep, was it not? those sorts of variables can be easily adjusted when asleep. are you like a bot or something? being touched in a dream is standard dream stuff. ive been stabbed, had sex, done a face first dive into a magic vagina and been swallowed. crashed stolen busses, flown through windshields, fought in the trenches at the somme, stabbed with a bayonet. the list is endless..>seen a shadow person while wide awakeok now we're getting somewhere. feel like im reading a damn creepypasta the way youre stringing me along. lets do this shit
>>43151173None of the last post was in my sleep
>>43151196so far i dont have any details other than you thought you saw a succubus or something else, you dont know, and one time you were shoved. also theres an unrelated shadow man.give me a whole breakdown, what is the timeline? what were the circumstances? time, place, what you were doing, youre standing somewhere im assuming. give me details of what you saw, what was your reaction, future encounters, how much time passed? DETAILS
>>43147408Acts 19:11-20
>>43147440There are orders which will set you up with a tutor or supervisor, like Crowley’s A.A., if you are interested. If you going to look outside of an order to find someone to mentor you make sure they don’t have a massive ego, also they’ll need to read your magical diary
>>43148421Very interesting
>>43151671If there is one thing I learned in my time in the occult... Stay the fuck away from Crowley as his shit is cursed as hell for the most part.
>>43151838actually this is even more interesting; really explores how religion is used to mind control peoplehttps://www.allreligionsareone.org/Pineal%20gland.html
>>43151256I am being sparse on details because they aren't relevant to the problem of the OP, and I don't feel like reciting my life story of the last couple years. I am not here trying to prove my experience to anyone.
>>43152532you said theres been an entity(s) harassing you your entire life, and the person who was helping you ghosted you. im attempting to help you, did you not want help? what exactly is the point of this thread, im confused.
>>43152588Sorry, I just feel like I have been over it a million times at this point with no results and I am extremely frustrated with it... I have been trying to make something out of this for getting close to 7 years now. It also does not help that the first guy I encountered, while he did demonstrate ability, was clearly being manipulated by something dark. Last I heard of that dude, he thought he was or was trying to become, the antichrist or something. Most of what he said also seemed like nonsense, so I suspect the abilities were not his but from whatever was manipulating him. After that dude, I basically had zero success anywhere or at least nothing worth noting, until what I figured out about a year ago that I already mentioned.
>>43152706yeah they do that lol. i got told the same thing. kept calling me "messiah". i told them to fuck off with that jewish nonsense. we became bffs.
>>43148422>Died ethically jewishthe fuck is this blasphemy broChrist was never a jew as we understand "jew". He was a white hebrew isrealite like all European Christians, he was never an ashkenazi kike, ethnically or religiously.
>>43153450Good to know anon. Thanks.
>>43147394Mate, wait. The Original Sin basically caused mankind to stray away from God and find themselves in a fallen, decayed condition. Think about how children might inherit hardships from their parents though they themselves don't really have fault of their own. God did not forsake mankind and has worked all the time towards redemption. As for forgiveness, it is useful for you to have peace of mind and not cling mentally to the deeds of your wrongdoers, there are good things worth more appreciation in life
>>43153450What? Are you telling me the first mention of the world "Jew" is only in 2 Kings 16:6?What? Are you telling me the Israelites disobeyed God, and failed to wipe out the Caananites as God commanded them, thus leading to the Caananites to dwell among the Israelites and eventually become the majority?>So the Israelites lived among the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites. And they took their daughters to themselves for wives, and their own daughters they gave to their sons, and they served their gods — Judges 3:5–6 (ESV)Surely you aren't suggesting that they still live in our midst to this day?
>>43147392Practicing a nature of Christianity that believes in the supernal world separate of God will find the practitioner picking and choosing between eclectic fields of thought pertaining to the truth. Ontologically, your questions were answered long ago and were rewritten by the religious figures associated with the task. With guidance to good for goodness' sake one might find themselves holding the truth and their personal dogma emphatically close to one another in the heart, seeing their dogma built around it. This is the end of days; here in the tribulative period the truth of God is like the hidden world. God pervades shadowed places and ruins within refurbished walls, and in His truth lies power and the means to evade it. All spirits are borne out of the consequence of their form, and God commands over that form through His words and the belief of His followers. God indeed instructs us as little children, demanding respect and obedience that a good nurturing figure deserves. In repentance we seek forgiveness from Him that we may do better. In this is our answers: how we would pervade good and good consequence in the face of suffering; for once there was no suffering born that was not done to the self in direct rebellion, and here on the world suffering lives alongside and preys upon innocence. This ontological consequence is born out of opinion regarding needs; for the intention of the world was always for its needs and that consequence before the suffering born from it. By having needs we experience a perspective of living, the engagement of form unto the spirit; our spirit evolves with it and is reshaped again to reform into the best life possible, completely sober and free of clarity.The occult lives alongside the truth of God for this consequence, its envies and tribulations for it. Dwelling within it are those who are like before the flood, and as it was written, when The Great Delusion took over the world those who love evil would be punished.
>>43154871My point is by forcing them to procreate rather than simply letting Adam and Eve die, as he had already commanded God decided to perpetuate the suffering of their sin on to their offspring by his command when he could have just started over. It also should have been within Gods power to have their offsping clean of their sin yet, as already stated, he perpetuated it. Because of this God is just as responsible as Adam and Eve for our sin yet blames us for it.
>>43147392> we have to apologize to god for even existingWe are not blamed for Adam's sin, we are affected by Adam’s sin. Before the fall, Adam was sinless, perfect, and good (Gen. 1:31). He had a ‘good’ nature. But, after the fall, he became a sinner. His nature was changed from ‘good’ to ‘bad.’ Since we are his children, we inherit his sinful nature (Rom. 5:12). In this sense, we suffer for what Adam did; that is, he caused his descendants to have sinful natures, and all of us suffer because of it. This is called original sin. It means that we have inherited a sinful nature and that all of what we are as individuals (mind, body, soul, spirit, emotions, and thought) is touched by sin.If you get punched by a person, it doesn't mean you take the blame for his violence, but you were affected by it. We are responsible for our own sins, not the sins of others.Ok, but we are still sinners and it feels unfair to us because we didn't choose to be born, but at the same time isn't it unfair to God that He died for our sins despite being blameless Himself? Salvation is a free gift because of the mercy, kindness and grace that God has. Jesus Christ is The Lord God in the flesh. He came to Earth in human form, willingly died on the cross as a sinless sacrifice for all the sins of the whole world to save you from eternal hell, the punishment for your sins. He was buried, then rose again from the dead. He now offers complete and permanent spiritual cleansing and eternal life to anyone who trusts Him enough to ask Him for it, instead of trusting their own works to be saved. Trust that the work He did is sufficient to pay for you sins, and call upon Him as your Saviour, knowing that you are a sinner, and that without the blood atonement He made, you would go to hell.Rom. 10:9: “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntc
>>43155272seems kind of paradoxical to be blamed for some amalgamous 'adam's' sin, while telling you the sins of the father arent the sins of the sonor its just stupid, and people know its stupid. i think whats even more stupid is treating your gods like theyre high school girls on their rag who get butthurt because of some stupid shit 5000 years ago was already stupid at the time that myth was created
>>43154981its also just terrible godding. he preserved that which wasnt worth preserving. he knowingly introduced imperfection where there previously was none. itd be one thing to rng and have it unknowingly do so, but hes so directly involved and complicit in the fall it just seems like a liability. to even think about that divinity seems uncharacteristic. the most likely explanation is theres nothing divine about any of it, theres nothing accurate about the story in the literal sense. if its meant to be metaphorical, why try to pass it off as literal, the defining feature of abrahamism is it upended all previously established religions and tried to abandon metaphor saying everything was literal, that these things actually happened. but they clearly didnt. so if its retreating to metaphor, it no longer has any inherent advantage over any other religion. and when youre judging it side by side with metaphorical religions, it isnt especially successful in writing what plato said was a fool's errand, for what it seeks to do can never be done because it uses imperfect mediums such as language, which uses words like "up" and "down", which might be correct at the time of writing, but thousands of years later when down means up, and up means down, will be tarnished yet those same words will be no less accurate or meaningful to those now who have them 'wrong'.
>>43147392>>43147394>>43147402>i take issue with the idea of original sin and that we have to apologize to god for even existing when it was his choice to make usgod doesn't ask us anything, but because we love him we return to him>he is the one who chose to have it continue by ordering them to reproduce rather than just starting overwould you kill your own child because he messed up and have another kid like nothing?>i don't believe in forgiveness of my enemiesthen you are forcing yourself into a life of anger and regret and suffering>even if you take the position of the Calvinists and say there is no free willi like some points of calvin, but his doctrine is not true>yet we are expected to keep everything perfect?we are not expected to keep everything perfect>just the changes in the meaning of words and translations have left us with only scraps of the originalnot true, although the bible has been translated multiple times, the original message remains. with the exception of the protestant reform, the bible has never been changed for the sake of political power>then there's the issue of how the bible tells us to be "childlike" and passive. God refers to himself as the father, yet it is a father's job to teach his children to surpass him, yet he insists on keeping us infantile and dependent on him for everythinghe wants the best of you, but a father will never stop being a father. if you think that "becoming a god" is the only way a human being can grow, you are wrong>Catholics were out because the pope is an attempt to replace Christ, so this left it as the Orthodox vs. the Mormons.you will come around. i though about converting to mormonism until i realize is just a big sci-fi scam>they would rather be killed to appear virtuous than confront evil to establish virtuechristianity started with a guy who let himself be killed by others and his religion became the biggest religion on earth. it is real sacrifice
>>43147392>>43147394>>43147400>>43147402>>43147408it seems to me that you are choosing your christianity like a kid that chooses an ice cream based on its flavour. there is only one christianity, with one truth. if you cannot reconcile your ideas of violence and need to destroy your enemies and want to interpret christianity as a warmongering religion, then i would recommend you that before you convert, you spend some time reading what are the core values of christianity (need and care for the sick and poor, vulnerability, friendship, obedience and love)my recommendation is that you either choose catholicism or orthodoxy, catholicism is prefered. you can also choose a protestant denomination but they lack apostolic succesion, but regardless what is important is the salvation of your soul, so at the end of the day i don't think it matters as much as long you get baptized
>>43155540its not that its inherently a warmongering religion, though historically the religion itself has warmongered, it just creates such a deprivation of virtue that it only ever results in subjugation, which only ever invites warmongers to abuse its deficiency.
>>43147402>yet he insists on keeping us infantile and dependent on him for everything.Does he though? Since when has he said anything of the sort to you?>childlikePerhaps you don't understand what it means to be childlike. It means to be receptive to the wisdom of your parents. How can you learn from God if you think you already know better than he does?What do you think it would mean to interact with him personally, knowing he can see you and your soul and life in its entirety throughout all of existence across every dimension of your spiritual journey?
>>43155564guess where the printing press was invented
>>43154909>Judges 3:5–6Thats the same as Europeans mixing with muslim migrants and niggers.Just because it happened in the bible, it doesnt mean that God approves of it. As it is written "and they served their gods" anything else, kike?
>>43155618based on the history we have available to us that jews and christians didnt destroy? china. theyd heat prefigured plates and stamp them onto clay.how long did it take (((christianized))) europe to figure out this same concept? judging by the way muslims beat them to geometry, probably something like a thousand years. an embarassing amount of time, to say the least.
>>43155718*to algebra
>>43155703europeans and muslims arent the same race, canaanites and jews are. if you could even call them a race, which, because of jews, we do. the race of kalergi mutts produced from african, greek, and mesopotamian race mixing. now that i think about it can you really even call them a race, since its literally impossible to have a purebred?
>>43155732>canaanites and jews arenope, the canaanites are "animal" humans that were created in genesis 1, the isrealites are Adamites that were created in genesis 2 and they are the sons of God.2 different types of human, with the Adamites made to rule over the lesser of humansthe canaanites and the israelite mixed, which is why God turned against israel so many times and tried to destroy them, meaning to racially purify them by killing off the mutts and to leave the "faithful" aka the pureseed to fix the genome
>>43155757dna studies have definitively proven they are of the same race anon. even their language is the same.
>>43155778>dna studiesKikes aka ashkenazis are edomites, not israelites.they mixed with the canaanites and God said:>Romans 9:13Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.Esau sold his birthright and he mixed with the canaanites, creating the mutt race of the ashkenazi degenerates
>>43155564that map is just not true
>>43155778I'd add that their swindling and nation-wrecking behavior is the same, too. It's not a coincidence. That anon is probably one of those christian identity tards, imagines the "real" biblical jews were white people.
>>43155817> imagines the "real" biblical jews were white people.i dont need to imagine it, the bible says it>Lamentations 4:7“Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were whiter than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies, their polishing was of sapphire:”
>>43155820So you really are one, lol. Moron. Take your "we wuz jews" and go fuck yourself.
>>43155831>and go fuck yourself.no thanks kike, people will know the truth that you are a degenerate mutt that is hated by God
>>43147392I've heard it's better to pick a side and stay loyal to that side than to be a fence sitter. Even being evil is preferable to that.
>>43155790>edomites>israelitessame race anon.. theyre different cultures, same race. a kalergi mutting of mesopotamian, african, greek.abraham and sarah are from Ur, mesopotamia, which is itself already a mutted race, but for the sake of argument, lets say its not.the very next generation, the son of abraham, isaac race mixes with an aramean. it took all but one generation for that 'race' to disappear, which is what happens when you move thousands of miles from Ur to Canaan, which wouldve been quite the achievement in those days. you dont trek that far from your own race and not destine your descendants to being mutts of some kind.do you not know what a race is or something? not understand the distinction between culture, race and identity? i know christcucks have a hard time with those concepts and think saying some magic words like "allah akhbar" or "jesus christ is my lord and savior" magically allows a jew to abolish his race. but these are cultures and identities (jewish ones), theyre not races. race remains regardless.
>>43147392>>43147394>>43147402>>43147408You don't have much time, choose Christ now or you'll end up in hell with these guys
>>43155820>their polishing was sapphiredoesnt sound like any race ive ever heard of.>whiter than milknor this. albinos maybe?>more ruddy in their body than rubiessounds like a holohoax victimclearly these are not accurate descriptions of any known recorded race. sounds like youve got yourself an unreliable narrator.
