>>115916174
was this the miku vtard or someone else?

>>115916212
someone else

>>115916174
Why isn't AnimeTrends reporting this?

>>115916174
>they
YWNBAW

>>115916237
This isn't holo or idol culture so they can't shit on it sorry

this has to be a parody

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>>115916174
KEEEEK
No idea who this is, but I’ll never understand chuds that are closeted troons and yet still act like they’re part of the in group. It’s like being a Jewish Nazi or some Uncle Ruckus type shit. It’s sad, pathetic, but funny af when they get BTFO.

>>115916174
I watched like a minute or two of their content a while ago, and you'd have to be actually braindead to have not known it was a voice changer.

>>115916582
In Germany you need to be Jewish and LGBT to be right wing or they throw you in prison for ten years for wrongthink.

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AI Right-wing grifter tranny vtuber: 45k subs

Goes to show, there’s someone for everyone

>>115916693
God I wish

>They were assigned male at birth
A long way to say that they are male

>>115916915
hey
we respect chud pronouns on this board

>>115916174
Chuds are and do everything they hate. You love to see it. They hate trannies but love to beat themselves off to males with voice changers. Hate woke and cancelling but ass bleed when someone makes a comment about their an heroes. LARP as fit giga chads but are all land whales along with their queen Kirsche. This is why everyone says Chuds are low IQ mongoloids who eat crayons for lunch and failed P.E. in High School.

who

I'm not sure why this is a problem though.

>experiencing an infighting

>>115916582
it’s not a troon tho. it’s a guy that knows nobody will watch a male vtuber, nobody will watch the one millionth guy with right-wing views on twitch/kick and who knows men will flock to female streamers with right-wing views hence why the political grift is currently popular with the likes of smugalan, powdur, kirsche etc

who?

>>115916582
lots of weird gay shit in far right spaces, like a lot.

>>115916174
are people so deaf they can't immediately tell a voice changer?

>>115919215
>I'm not a troon I just like to dress up as a girl and use a girly voice changer

>>115920215
It reads more as just as a lazy attempt to milk right wing gooners for cash than any actual desire to be a woman

>>115916582
kek
To be fair he was more of a sexpest troon using the guise of a woman to get close to women and talk lewd to them without getting run out of the community than an Uncle Ruckus type.
He literally says every troon that gets caught being a pervert is not " a really trans person" and the whole trans community derides them. When their whole community is in fact sexpest groomers.
He is a troon who fetishizes forced feminization and called people transphobic for not wanting trannies in women's only spaces.

>>115920488
>a "real" transperson*

>>115920326
He seemed pretty tied with the trans community

>>115916174
Thus why I only watch Hololive.

>>115916174
Indie experience

>>115919215
Buddy, given that the answer they themselves gave when asked if they were trans was "I don't know", it sure seems like they are at least considering it.

>>115916582
It's because rightoids
1. Organize around tribal affiliation (i.e. prove you are on my political "team" and we can be friends)
2. Are retards
This means they're ripe for the grift (that is, people who pretend to be rightoid in order to fit in, whether to scam them or for some other reason).
Trannies and other weirdo minorities are likely lonely for various reasons, so an easy way to get a community is pretending to be a chud, since they are so easy to fool
>inb4 BUT THE LEFTOIDS
Yes I know very well some of these same dynamics exist among leftoids but the difference is that leftoids also tend to just be smarter, so there's a lower rate of them being taken by the grift. Among rightoids I genuinely think there might be more grifters than grifted

>>115920946
>what is damage control in live conversation after you've been outed?

>>115919215
He refused to deny being a troon despite having a chud audience. He's 100% a troon. Chuds and the closet name a better duo

>>115921036
You think that answering "I don't know" when asked by your far-right audience if you are a tranny is "damage control"...?
It's obviously not. Regardless of whether or not they're a full "gonna get an operation" tranny, they clearly have some weird feelings about their gender.

>>115916174
funny

>>115916174
>infighting
>lying troon thought he was part of the group
LOOOOOL

>>115921115
Hes definitely a troon. His defense of the "real" trans community shows it

>>115920155
Leaflit is 100% in the right for calling Celestium dumb, and by extension, anyone else affected by this who claims to 'feel lied to or tricked'. If youre mad you got tricked, you got tricked becauae youre dumb.

kirsche has become a walking woman moment and it is becoming increasingly annoying to her her shrilly screech 'I HATE LIARS' when Leaflit and Jujus take way outreaons Kirsches continued crashing out

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>>115923135
Leaflit is 100% in the wrong, and they're running damage control for the person they 're invested in.. To claim a troon pretending to be a woman for years to enter a private friend group and sexpest women who mistakenly trusted him did nothing wrong except not share personal information is disingenuous. Making sexual jokes with married women who didn't catch on because they believed him to be a female is disgusting. He knows he would have never gotten away with all of it if they knew he was a man

>>115923238
its the internet. anonymity is the default. you arent obligated to disclose anything personal about yourself at all. voice changer is in the same category of kayfabe/opsec as having a vtubing model and a persona/pseudonym. Leaflit is right, and you look all the stupider for getting mad about it

>>115923238
if Kirsche had any substantive response to Leaflit's besides outrage and nigger looping, maybe Id be inclined to consider her opinion more, but so far all she has shown how insufferably stubborn she is when she thinks she is right. Ember is not Ana Valens, no matter how much Kirsche wants him to be to vindicate her extended foid moment

>>115916550
Ember lied about being a biofem to sneak into spaces where real women were talking about real women things.

>>115923446
You are being as disingenuous as Leaflit with "muh internet" as if either of you zoomies has been here long.
In literally no era of the internet would a dude pretending to be women be given a pass when people learned they were tricked. Especially not in a friend group.

>>115923238
>To claim a troon pretending to be a woman for years to enter a private friend group and sexpest women who mistakenly trusted him did nothing wrong except not share personal information is disingenuous.
Thats not what leaflit said or anyone has said you can admit that ember was a creep and did someone wrong while still thinking the people that got tricked are stupid, these aren't opposites.
>Making sexual jokes with married women who didn't catch on because they believed him to be a female is disgusting. He knows he would have never gotten away with all of it if they knew he was a man
These "jokes" were done in front of their husbands and even if ember turned out to be a woman it would still be just as wrong to make them because it outs you as a degenerate and a fake "Christian" like these girls calmed to be.

I get you hate trannies but don't let that cause you to give the women any slack for being grifters either

>>115922966
Observe here the chud who isn't yet aware how fake and gay everything he believes in is.

>>115923620
>Thats not what leaflit said
It's exactly what she said. Go read her AI composed tweet

> even if ember turned out to be a woman it would still be just as wrong to make them because it outs you as a degenerate and a fake "Christian" like these girls calmed to be.
Oh you're the troon defender from /smug/ pretending to know anything about christianity again. Ember initiated the sexual innuendo, some of which flew over the heads of people, which would have been treated harshly if they knew he was a man instead of laughed off. They can laugh off another woman making degen jokes and it doesn't make them any less Christian retard. You sound like one of those leftoids who think christianity means pacifism and nor fun allowed, or believes christians think pokemon is the work of Satan because of a fanatical 1%

>>115923554
I have been here long enough to know that Id rather have a million Embers that play by the rules than any more of you retards that want full govt names and real face pfps, and self doxx in bio

>>115923801
>you retards that want full govt names and real face pfps, and self doxx in bio
You can only argue against things no one said because you know you have nothing else.

> Id rather have a million Embers that play by the rules
Once again
>In literally no era of the internet would a dude pretending to be women be given a pass when people learned they were tricked. Especially not in a friend group.

They are not posting as anons in an imageboard

>>115923779
>Oh you're the troon defender from /smug/ pretending to know anything about christianity again.
no this is the first time i've mentioned it and the fact you constnly clamin any body critising the foids is a "troon" defender says a lot do you have BPD? you seem to only see things in black and white.
>Ember initiated the sexual innuendo,
not always
>They can laugh off another woman making degen jokes and it doesn't make them any less Christian retard.
It depends on the context, at a comedy club sure, making them yourself with a person who uses a voice changer and thus might be a man while in front of their husbands? Are you fucking retarded?

>>115916550
you shouldn't have shot harambe.

Of course women turn out to be soft when shit comes down to the wire. This is how troons were able to incur on feminism so completely to begin with.

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>>115923932
>you seem to only see things in black and white.
Projecting Mr.
>outs you as a degenerate and a fake "Christian" like these girls calmed to be.
You're not as clever as you believe yourself to be.

>not always
Care to share what explicit remarks they initiated? Surely you have reciepts
>making them yourself with a person who uses a voice changer and thus might be a man while in front of their husbands?
Reciepts of these terrible things they said? Also they believed him to be a woman, quit victim blaming just because they weren't paranoid and accepted his lie of not liking his voice.

>>115916174
>Twitch collaborators accused her of “lying about his gender to get close to women and speak to them in ways they would not be speaking to a man.”
100% truth

>>115924013
Are troons the ultimate trojan horse against feminism? I guess men always win in the end. Or at least, women always lose.

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>>115924048
La+ was the hero we needed against the tranny menace

>>115924071
No they're just 4chan's current obsession and in 10 years everyone's going to look back at the current state of the board and find it weird how much of the conversation was about them

>>115924416
>4chan'scurrent obsession
Oh it's an actual troon prtending they haven't brought down every hobby community in the last decade

>>115916174
You love to see it.

>>115924458
The fact that your response to this is to assume that anyone who criticizes the obsession must be a troon is hilarious, anon
>brought down every hobby community in the last decade
No they didn't, and the reason you think they did is because of your obsession, I promise you while trannies can be very annoying and cause problems the vast majority of hobby communities in existence are going along perfectly fine. You think they were "brought down" because you aren't actually part of these communities. The only "community" you are ostensibly a part of is the rumor-mongering and outrage slop content consuming community and it has rotted your brain

>>115916174
Many such cases!

My first gut instinct reading the OP is that the troons/feds cooked up this psyop for /pol/ drama and division
My gut says I am 100% right and correct in this
Fake and gay

>>115925560
>Ze says as Bioware's fresh corpse lies behind zir

>>115916174
>are you a troon or a larper?
>idk
Imagine being mindraped so much by pretending to be a girl on the internet that you lose your entire sense of identity.

>>115925787
This is what I mean, anon. You have trannies on the brain. If you think trannies were responsible for Bioware's downfall, as opposed to myriad other issues like them forgetting how to make a game, you know, fun, or forgetting how to write, then you're retarded. Literally their most successful game had tranny shit in it. Bioware's audience didn't care. They didn't lose their audience because of the existence of trannies in their game, they lost it because of all of the thousands of other ways they fucked up. But again, because you are brainrotted and obsessed, you think literally everything is down to trannies.

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>>115916174
>>“I don’t know,” Ember Paradox replied. “I don’t have an answer for that. When I’m streaming, this is me. Any time I stream, this is me; Ember, the redhead, sometimes anime catgirl. Off stream? Outside of Discord? I’m just…normal. I’m not going to therapy, I’m not going through medications, I’m not spending my days dressing up or anything like that…on stream, this is me. That’s the best explanation that I can give you.”
unironically what is wrong with having seperate identities like this? it's so close minded to demand that people must adhere to one identity all the time like why can't someone both be a right-wing chudette and a dude?

>>115923135
leaflit is a tranny too

>>115926067
>disassociation is a corner stone for psychopathy/troons

I don't know why he thought a voice changer was necessary when Leaflit doesn't even bother using one himself and the chuds don't care.

>>115926051
you act like those two things aren't related. you can't be a tranny demon and not having it infect your work.

>>115926051
>t. queerosexual gendermancer

>>115926067
>right-wing
>literally calls people transphobic for not wanting troons in women's spaces
Pick one retard

>>115926301
gonna be real with you bro I don't fucking know who this is

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>>115926479 >>115926488 >>115926509 >>115929810 >>115929828

It's over chuds, /ourguy/ doesn't care as long as they have the right opinions for our culture war

>>115926400
>Chibi reviews misrepresenting the situation as usual
Water is wet

>>115926400
Imagine the character they were playing as comes out as a fat white man that supports Trump halfway into the play through
KEK

>>115926400
>closeted tranny defending open tranny
lmao the absolute fucking state of chuds

why is being a troon bad again?

>>115925742
Not sure how a chudtuber civil war helps them with the midterm elections in 3 days. Attempt to demoralize by saying both sides support troons?

>>115926301
>doesn't know "women's spaces" is feminist/leftist language.

>>115926543
Because this board is heavily populated by people who are both social misfits and city boys, and they formed the politics around being gadflies to their normie lib social betters, so ranting and raving about troons is designed to trigger them. Unfortunately they don't recognize that as time passes and they age the social context in which they decided to shape their personality becomes forgotten, so soon they'll just be the equivalent of a boomer with a weird obsession. The fact that their edgy sense of humor has basically been adapted by the current presidential administration is greatly accelerating this. Can't LARP as an edgy counterculture boy when the literal whitehouse is repeating your jokes.

>>115927442
>feminists/leftists are anti-troon
wtf I'm riding with Biden now!

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>>115926543
Because troons are mentally ill men who want to force others to play along with their delusion and are a big part of the psychosis gripping the west.
It is an insane ideaology which requires people to deny factual science and play along with the sexual fetish of a narcissistic clown..
Those who do not comply are vilified, deplatformed, banned, or worse face legal action.
They are a plague on humanity.

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faggots just mad they're dicks got confused. also the only "womens space" thats even real, is the kitchen.
signed.
a noracat and RIAchan watcher

>>115928492
Yeah, I remember when you posers tried to make Pikamee into an anti-trans mascot despite obviously never having watched her, it was pathetic then and it's pathetic now

>>115928674
I like how you couldn't address a single thing said and instead chose to make up an argument over the picture.
When she was merely an example of a person attacked over the insanity.

>>115928492
>factual science
oxymoron.

>>115929031
>actual moron

>>115916174
I can certainly see the vision behind exploiting the vtuber gimmick to farm both gender affirmation and transphobes' money, if that really was the case. Their career seems to be somewhat saved, but the dream is over.

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unless any you can do something like what ember did to break peoples minds and get away with it for so long then you all boring! this is what i have been waiting for! dont take another unique person away from us!

WHO????

>>115926400
Rev is one of the most popular crossdressing right wing vtubers. There's also that Hero Hei guy but he's just a gay femboy

>>115926400
I play a fat old ugly balding man when given the option in every single video game i play

Why pretend to be an openly right wing female instead of just play a babuniku? To an extent I can understand playing a female if he's trolling, if he's a closet gay, or if he's doing it for money, but I don't understand openly pretending to be a politically motivated female.

>>115929860
it cause you dont understand the mechanism of the master plan! it was to make sheep like you look like a bewildered clown! all of you every single one!

Missed the part where he's writing self-insert snuff porn about 14 year old boys being forced to dress as girls while they're gang raped by the football team, then forcibly castrated and put on puberty blockers so they can live happily ever after as a real girl.

The chudtubers that can't see a problem with being associated with that shit are exposing themselves as unironic grifters.

>>115921036
Damage control would be
>I was just LARPing as trans to own the troons!
This is a trans woman having an identity crisis

>>115929916
breathing or blinking or being anything except a boring mass produced robot with a mini puppeteering jew whos puppet strings is attached to you is exposed as a unironic grift apparently

>>115929860
Right wingers are the easiest to grift from

>>115930089
Dang, you're a weird one

>>115930089
Really, you don't think there are any degrees between enforced boring normiehood and gay child gang rape?

>>115930161
thats like asking if someone can do anything more than the sick trick flip they just did in front of you! the magicians show has multiple tricks to it dont you know!

>>115916174
I love that culture war is so important that we cant say a boy lying to get into a female space is creepy

>>115921012
This. It's the same reason why there was news about a trans woman getting elected as a Republican in local elections: Republicans don't fucking read about their candidates, they just vote based on party affiliation. That's why you can scam them eternally.

>>115930089
If that claim is true that Ember Paradox does write those weirdly violent erotic literature while apparently belonging to apparent "anti degenerate" vtubing cliques like those on Kick that probably think that all gays are grooming kids, then yeah that's a weird disconnect.

>>115930264
forget the culture war! did etika give a FREAK about the culture war? NO!!!!!!!!! THIS IS ABOUT ENTERTAINMENT AND SAVING THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>115929828
Holy based

>>115924215
The irony of what the image is saying versus the image name is killing me. Good bait.

>>115916174
More like Right wang

>>115921012
>leftoids also tend to just be smarter, so there's a lower rate
LOL LMAOOOO there's no way people still believe this right? Lefties have been so afraid to have their own opinions for so long that they've just stopped thinking for themselves. Not believing all the same historical narratives, gender bullshit, race nonsense etc means banishment. That's how you get Clara saying "uh we're mad at bluesky right now, I don't remember why but fuck them"

>>115916174
>they
If it's a man, just call him "he". It's not hard. Stupid thread.

>>115930781
why do what is easy she earned the pronoun more than any "real" "female" or tranny ever has far as i am concerned, most of you all are just a they them you let the world suck and be this boring for so long now you have your favorite little anime bunny girl or what ever animal it was crying "its so gross!" go watch that 24/7 and throw money at it if it so much better than ember

>>115926543
Because they're people with a delusion about themselves that they expect the rest of the world to validate. It's bad enough that troons are convinced that they are something they aren't, it's worse that troons want others to agree with their falsehoods. There are all the knock-on effects too, like women losing their private spaces because men who jerk off to the idea of being a girl want to force themselves in. And it's just a very backwards, sexist ideology, that the things that make somebody a man or a woman aren't the plain simple physical reality, but instead are just affectations like if you wear pants or use a fake high voice, equating man and womanhood to autistic parodies based on cultural stereotypes from things like porn.

>>115930418
>>115916174

only discovered ember recently cause of this not sure how being male is supposed to be problem, gender not real anyway, i find them really interesting so far, liars are fun insanity is fun kindness is fun cleverness is fun that all seems like it is there at least somewhat so unless extremely convinced ember did wrong do not care will even call her a she and might even throw money at them to spite the crying anime bunny that you all obsessed with

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>>115916174
>When questioned as to whether he considers himself to be trans Ember replied “I don’t know”
He wants to pull the Kevin Spacey defence but doesn't want to cut his dick off because he's been gooning to the all-female chats.

>>115931229
This is the final boss of ESLs

>>115923554
>In literally no era of the internet would a dude pretending to be women be given a pass when people learned they were tricked.
Thats just a lie. Plently of people would side with the catfisher and laugh at the "victim" in the old internet. Dont belive me look at chrischan and his girlfriends.
You were the fuck up for thinking whover you were talking to was actually a girl and not a man or fbi agent.

>>115929916
The counter argument is based around creative freedom, separating fiction and reaIity, and the fear of giving the religious right the power of censorship over anything sexual they don't like. Yeah, Ember's high school fantasy is weird, but if you label it obscene and unacceptable today, tomorrow the the neo church moms like strawb will be going after redo of a healer, berserk, gushing over magical girls, lolicon manga, or big boobed women in fighting games or whatever they think offends their god. So better to stop that slippery slope here. A lot of young right turned against the left because of their sexual censorship campaigns. As long as people can distiNguish between reality and fiction there's no harm done.

Leaflit mentioned for example she's 100%, creative freedom and gave the eample she written rape filled scenarios for her ttrpg, which people could use to argue she's fucked up in the head, so she's not going to hold Ember's stuff against them.

>>115931505
>Dude seriously bringing up chrischan as his evidence

>>115931669
Its a valid example. There are so many people who got scammed on mmos or forums and the blame was put on the victim for being retarded. The difference now is it happened to women.

>>115931505
Those were people on 4chan dot org messing with him for entertainment. If he hadn't gone and raped his grandma there would be more sympathy for him

>>115931505
>No you see because the kiwifarms types, like Null, had their way with their autistic god figure that means it was totally normal behavior in the internet and not a fringe minority of rejects
You're a literal retard.

>>115931787
That is because the scammer fucked off 99% of the times retard. Anyone who stayed using the same name would catch shit for it.

>>115916174
In case anybody needs to know who's supporting Ember and whos with Strawb on her crusade against Ember.

>Team Ember
>leaflit
>bannanajuju
>celestium
>powdur
>lord intellectual
>mamaocco
>kai marin

>Team Strawb
>rev
>kirsche
>tectone
>maria grace
>yukiwaru
>nuxtaku
>venatrix
>harmful opinions
>sidscrollers
>tactikal templar
>shoeonhead

>>115932228
Unless Powdur changed her stance since the stream she did on it, she's not team Ember, she's team "Yeah, that Ember stuff's fucked, but I hate Strawb with every fibre of my being."

>>115932352
If you criticize Strawb or any of the foids involved that means your a tranny defending victim blaming ember supporter apparently, sorry but thats how it works or so i'm told.

>>115932228
Okay be honest anon, which of these names did you just make up for this post and which are real vtubers?

>>115932352
NTA and I haven't seen her stream on the matter but the troons have been pushing that she said the drama was dumb. Framing her words as if she said Ember didn't deserve it. Which would be in support of Ember.

>>115932637
Not surprising, but I watched it and that's a massive reframing of what she actually said. She spent most of the segment just raging about Strawb (fair, I'm not the biggest fan myself) and Rev because of the problems they've caused her in the past, then between that she was mostly of the opinion that the Ember stuff was bad but she needed to see more proof of the worst stuff (her stream was fairly early on before a lot of it came out).

>>115932352
I might be oversymplifying their positions, like Kirsche said she thinks strawbs retarded but she clearly hates Ember's autogynophylia enough to go on sidescrollers and rant about it and spar with Leaflit on twitter. Powdur said she didn't think the ember situation was a big deal, but she called Strawb malicious snake. Celestium said she doesn't support transgenderism an cant because of her faith, but has forgiven him and wants to be his friend and they've arranged a collab. I'm not writing a play by play.

>>115931590
I actually agree, I'm not in favour of censoring it no matter how repulsive it is. But not censoring isn't the same as actively defending it from social backlash. As far as I understand it, Leaflit's position is that there are far more important battles to fight and that this is counterproductive to the "movement", or whatever you want to call it. Well my counter-argument to that is that allowing your "movement" to be openly associated with child gang rape snuff porn is significantly more damaging.

>>115930418
If you are a rightoid thinking that your side is the intelligent side in the current year you are deeply, deeply delusional. Like I'm sorry bro but all your friends are retarded faggots

>>115919041
Why do ESLs think every word that ends in -ing has to be a verb? Have you never heard of a dumpling or underling?

>>115916174
Who?

>>115932876
You mean like how the supposed "women"s only" chat groups weren't actually women only and everyone was making lewd jokes and flirting with each other equally?

Also Ember never tried to hide or disown the book, even talking about it within as being proud of it within the last year or so, but somehow nobody from ember's fandom or friend community went to her kindle and noticed that "she"'d been selling force feminization erotica and went "wtf" until Strawb a few months ago?

I won't say that women deserve to get raped because this board is just Reddit with racial slurs and I don't wanna get banned. But I will say this is why women get raped so much. They completely lack any and all discernment skills. When left to their own devices, they invite creeps in to advantage of them then they blame all men for not protecting them. As if white knight simps are just supposed to magically spawn inside their private chat room to point out obvious shit like this.

>>115933270
>You mean like how the supposed "women"s only" chat groups weren't actually women only and everyone was making lewd jokes and flirting with each other equally?
This isn't actually true, btw. There were a couple of husbands/boyfriends in there, but that's not the same as "everyone was making lewd jokes and flirting with each other equally". There are multiple female vtubers who have said they would never have engaged with the type of sexual jokes / flirting that they did if they'd known that Ember was a man, especially considering that some of them have boyfriends themselves.
Take Yuki for example, she has a boyfriend, do you think she would go on stream with another man and have him saying he wants to introduce her to bdsm and buttplugs? Are you capable of seeing that a woman in a relationship probably wouldn't behave like that with a guy that isn't her boyfriend? Ember only got away with it because he was pretending to be a woman.

>>115933734
>There are multiple female vtubers who have said they would never have engaged with the type of sexual jokes / flirting that they did if they'd known that Ember was a man
makes the discord sound like a sorority. if the joke isnt pure enough to be said to guys but it is to be said to girls in front of everyones husbands sounds like born again christians still love to sin and party

>>115933734
Hes not arguing in good faith so he just spins the narrative

>>115933952
They aren't all Christians. And I'm beginning to wonder if the Ember defenders have ever actually had mixed friend groups irl. Let's do a hypothetical: Imagine two couples hanging out, can you really not understand that the girls might make a dick sucking joke to each other, in front of the guys, but that it would be inappropriate for one of the guys to make the same dick sucking joke to the girl that isn't his girlfriend?

>>115932228
>sidscrollers
Craig isn't with either, he dislikes that Ember hid his identity but he also hates how strawb just asked like a piece of garbage human being such a direct question about his gender, like, weren't they friends? is she fucking autistic? tha's gotta be it, because that approach was just too fucking cruel.

>>115933952
Only really makes sense from some weird safe voyeur lesbian cuckolding thing
>It's one thing to pretend to be a lesbian and flirt with the the girls while our husbands watch, but they're not allowed to join in.

>>115933734
>Take Yuki for example, she has a boyfriend, do you think she would go on stream with another man and have him saying he wants to introduce her to bdsm and buttplugs? Are you capable of seeing that a woman in a relationship probably wouldn't behave like that with a guy that isn't her boyfriend? Ember only got away with it because he was pretending to be a woman.
It's crazy how Ember defenders cannot understand something so simple. Probably sexpests themselves

>>115934171
>They aren't all Christians.
no but the loudest are born again christians\And I'm beginning to wonder if the Ember defenders have ever actually had mixed friend groups irl
none that i flirt with or do gay shit with in front of the opposite sex
Imagine two couples hanging out, can you really not understand that the girls might make a dick sucking joke
the joke would need to be specific and in a specific setting because it could be awkward regardless. most of the time i would not make sexual jokes even if the spouse is around.

>>115934373
and this means i been drinking too much to post so fuck it

>>115934206
Strawwb had this all planned out for months. She tried to recruit Celestium for the attack, but she was against attacking ember publicly and said they should try to do a private intervention discussion about strawbs concerns with Ember, but it would have to wait because Celestium had enough on her hands with her mom struggling for life and didn't think ember was intentionally malicious or an immediate threat. Strawb supposedly agreed, then turned around and attacked anyway without even warning celestium.

>>115934373
The person making the dick sucking "joke" was Ember. Everything the girls have said was extremely mild.

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>>115916174
Don’t know anything about this drama. But a man pretending to be a woman to get into any kind of woman’s space is a fucking weirdo. And anyone on the side of this tranny is a retard.

>>115933050
>As far as I understand it, Leaflit's position is that there are far more important battles to fight and that this is counterproductive to the "movement", or whatever you want to call it.
here's what leaflit has on her twitter

>I’m an antisocial nerd, so I’m bad at communicating. I asked AI to help clean up my flow of consciousness to be more easily understandable for everyone. This is the last thing I’ll say on the Ember situation… sorry it is long, you don’t have to read it:

>The old internet was built for this. Social circles, MMOs, avatars, and handles let people be themselves or be something else entirely. You could be a different gender, a different species, a completely invented person, and the space treated that as normal rather than a problem to solve. For a lot of nerds, that was the point. The character was the version of you that existed there. You didn’t owe anyone a tour of the body sitting at the keyboard just because they decided they liked talking to you.
>Ember said “I’m a woman” and “I’m not a man.” In my rule set, that was still the character. The whole point of kayfabe is that the persona speaks as the persona. If the character is a woman, the character says she’s a woman. That doesn’t automatically turn into a claim that the person behind the account is biologically female, any more than a male VTuber playing a catgirl is claiming to be a cat.
>I don’t have a problem with Ember keeping the female character. Online, the persona is the person you’re dealing with. The avatar, the voice, the consistent presentation—that’s the identity that exists in the space. Other creators invited that character into chats and talked to the character. I don’t think that created a debt for Ember to exit the character and hand over real-world information just because people wanted to be friends.
>No one has shown proof of coercion or Ember pushing for sexual stuff beyond basic banter. It was ordinary chatting under the assumption created by the kayfabe. From the older internet rule I use, you aren’t owed someone’s offline body just because they presented their persona to you. Treating the later discovery as proof they should have confessed earlier feels entitled to me. They invited the avatar. The avatar showed up. The rest was optional.
>This only looks like a clear case of deception if you already start from the position that the physical person must override the character once the conversation is personal, or that anything the character says about being a woman is a literal claim about the operator’s body. I don’t start from that position. It’s a different standard for what an online identity is allowed to be, not a shared rule that one side is simply failing. The online person shared with you about their real self if they wanted.

>I understand why they’re upset though. From their culture , they entered those chats under a working assumption that the presented sex matched the real one, shared things they say they wouldn’t have shared otherwise, and later treated the mismatch as a broken premise. That feels like a violation if you believe the physicality stays relevant in private online relationships. I get that reaction. I just don’t share the rule that makes the offline details something other people were entitled to in the first place.

>This is why I don’t understand it myself outside of emulation.

Remember if you are a troon, lie about being a troon, and write child rape forced sissy porn chudtubers will come to your defense if you say the right things.
Ember is based but Valens is bad despite them being literally the same.
>>115933050
Her opinion is worthless because she has now defended having minors in adult discord spaces and now defending a troon who writes sissy rape porn. She is a middle aged woman using Internet memes and autism as a defense for why lying isn't bad.

What is chud about these women anyways the fact they like the bible? Pro abortion, pro sissy rape, pro porn, pro only fans, pro tranny.
They aren't based they are grifting retards who aren't talented enough to just play games so they have to pander to retards obsessed with politics

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>>115937070
So... lie, obfuscate your positions, be self-serving and disingenuous...so that people will come to your defense for doing the bad things you did to garner their support?
And this will somehow own the right, instead of serving as a good way to weed out the wackos lurking in the shadows by forcing them to pick a side?
Am I just too retarded to understand, or not retarded enough?

>>115933208
Please donate more to BLM. Did you hear an evil white parent called the cops on a 3yo Black PoC because he was too good at soccer???? I'll link the parent's GoFundMe!

>>115937220
>so that people will come to your defense for doing the bad things you did to garner their support?
>Ember became a troon and sexpested women to gain our support
What the fuck are you even saying?

>>115937220
The right is owning themselves by defending a tranny who writes sissy child rape porn and pretended to be a woman to them. Everyone but Kirsche is pro tranny lies and even then I bet she will forgive the tranny if all her friends do and continue to collab

>>115937310
Too retarded, got it. Or too drunk. It's Halloween.

>>115937309
And shouldn't you be sucking tranny cock and reading sissy porn? These women aren't chuds or right wing just whores using politics for money

>>115937410
No, trannies are the ones who should be sucking cock, and only if they're cute. Every chud knows this.

>>115937410
Hey now, sex work is real work, if I want to pay money for someone to agree with my politics while using "the voice," that's between me, her, and the rest of chat.

>>115937357
Yea Kirsche will buckle. She will suck the tranny cock to protect her livelihood because shes too dumb to point out how retarded, and biased, Leaflit was in her twitter post.

>>115937357
>right is owning themselves
so a day ending in y?

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>>115937582
I don't know about that. The list of the two sides posted earlier is significantly stacked in favour of the anti-Ember team.

>>115937357
Kirsche has never collabed with Ember before, so she can't really continue to collab. The only somewhat large vtuber who has is Leaflit, otherwise it's mainly 2 and low 3 views.

>>115934206
No, Strawb and Ember weren't friends. They were in one of those big 8 person collabs together.That's it.

Celestium is the one who was/is friends with both Strawb and Ember.

>>115916174
Gross

I can't believe futa Ember is retroactively canon

>>115938256
trannies are not futa you stupid troon

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>>115937309
>You acknowledge basic facts about rightoids being retarded so that must mean you're a leftoid!
Sorry faggot, I'm not playing this pussyfooting game of "well le both sides are equally bad", I'm no fan of leftoids but rightoids are at this point in history indisputably more retarded. Reflect on why this angers you.