Germanys rightful borders editionNew patch coming 5th Novemberhttps://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/victoria-3-dev-diary-192-not-yet-lost.1944771/
How many months till they tidy up 1.16 enough to make it playable?
>hmmm today I will not play France/Prussia/GB/Austria>all of the aforementioned tags somehow end up white-peacing their radical revolts so there are five Frances, two Germanys, two Britains, and no AustriaI remember this being a really common thing back in release and it's STILL HERE?
>>2504117its not
let's kill fulbes
>>25041171.14 beta nerfed radicals. France and Austria don't collapse anymore, but Britain -for some strange reason- always falls to republican rebels during 1848.
good morning /v3g/, what country should i make a run with?
>>2504179Austria/France -> United States of EuropeBolivia -> Andes Federation
>>2504179iquicha
>>2504179República Riograndense and then tell me how to succeed qhen you finish
>>2504179EIC. Go independent but don't form a new country.
The missing achievements have returned but now people have achievements they earned locked again
>>2504117are you playing the beta?they made war goals vanish after a time if not contested so revolutions countries may end up white peacnign as both parties lose their war goals.
>>2504230
>>2504250The good news is someone made a workshop mod to fix that, from my personal testing it works without player interventionhttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3819394417
>>2504230fuck it, i'm just gonna use SAM on the ones i lost, pdx creating shit achievements are one thing, literally taking them away is another.Paradox is really just becoming worse and worse by each installment, i can't imagine some competitor not raping them one day, like cities skyline did to simcity.
>>2504347i just restored i think most of the ones i lost, and it still says i unlocked them on the original day i did and not today? it's honestly fucking impressive that paradox is this shit at programming, did they hire all of bangladesh to cut costs while still seething over ai?
>>2504040vgh
It's interesting how paradox seems to repeat, on purpose or accident, what many conservatives at this time were saying about people not being mature for democracy.If you enact universal voting too early you'll be franchising millions of peasants voting for the most horrid politics you've ever seen.
>>2504360>on purpose or accidentYes and no, this is the basis for leftist vanguardism; with the goal of guiding the people into a preferred democracy. Remember, to leftists liberal-democratic parliamentarism, by their own words, isn't really anything more than a tool to be used. As you see a lot of the time, when leftist and liberal parties get votes it's a victory for democracy, when right wing parties get votes it's a dark day for democracy and we're heading into tyranny. Putin and Xi are dictators, but cancelling elections in Romania and possibly banning the largest party in Germany are simple necessary to defend liberal-democracy and so on and so forth.I don't think they're actually brave enough to make the case against liberal democracy, but they're willing to represent liberal-democracy as a stepping stone to socialism.
realizing more and more old pdx were autists making game for autists while new pdx are theatre kids making games for other theatre kids.
>>2504360Democracy in general sucks in this game. It tanks your legitimacy because everyone forms retarded parties. The only good government form is oligarchy.
>>2504372I think it's fine if you're going for powerful labour unions.
Not going to pretend it still didn't have a bunch of problems but I found 1.12 to be pretty fun to play. But ever since the great wave the game has been a mess with breaking things that used to work and adding shit that actively makes things worse.
>>2504347>i can't imagine some competitor not raping them one day, like cities skyline did to simcity.Gilded Destiny?
>>2504379>potential game
>>2504361Did Q tell you this?
>>2504379i see what you mean and it looks fairly interesting in its own right, but as said it needs to be the cities skylines to simcity, i've not yet really seen anything that can be compared.>>2504383yes, got the call from big Ep and can see the 7k rolling into my account as we're typing.
I didn't even know the devs could just wipe our achievements like that
>>2504464They are doing it to demoralize and humiliate you.
>build some academic centers so I can teach my people to read and have some police presence >notice my economy is dragging behind by 1870need to learn to treat my country as a resource extraction colony till mid game
>>2504528Facts
I don't understand how I am to build so many things in so many states so quickly without going bankrupt. I start a game and put in the recommended builds and back out to see it's going to take 13 years to build it all. Increase construction sectors? Now I'm in the red and interest is running out of control. Then JE says I have to build 100 farms in 10 years or face a malus.
>>2504170I remember when it would always become a theocracy and I'd wonder how the fuck that would happen as you have to go out of your way with bad law choices to annoy them.
>>2504360>people not being mature for democracyYes but maybe not.Originally the game had an social democratic ending via the inevitable rise of the urban worker class (they were automagically middle class wealth SoL compared to today's game).They sidestepped this point by making the peasants not care about suffrage, as though it wasn't a hot issue in superstar European countries running up to and following 1836. They also refused to outline, to this day, actual mechanics or criticism of democracy or failed democracies, where Vicky II might mention American voting systems, rotten boroughs, and I think even gerrymandering, Victoria 3 only has a vague "Public trust in the system" meter where if public trust is low you can... uh... well it's not clear if you're stuffing ballots but the side you want to win, well, wins.>voting for the most horrid politicsZero interest in head of state or suffrage = you can fix your problem.I'm not entirely sure what's wrong with their laws at startdate/in a backwater. They have literally no opinion on a lot of laws. To this day I'm not sure I understand why they have an opinion on immigration, why the urban workers tacitly support free movement, why the petite boog don't like or even have an opinion on free movement, and then also why the petite boog have an opinion on navy laws that is "I want big gun ships, I LOVE imperialism" and not "I want peaceful trade ships please stop going to war, my import business will collapse".Countries with unique IG beliefs, like Russia's Orthodox Church, have the worst lawsets in the game. Rural folx are only a problem to people who want to GDP max and yet don't slobber at the opportunity to relax race (wage) laws.
>>2504529Universities don't teach your people to read.Education law does.However it also creates radicals due to expected SoL going up with literacy.I haven't double checked if the game follows real history where literacy went down thanks to the industrial revolution (doing so would probably fuck with your ability to tech as much as designed by the annoying tech tree).
>>2504603>Universities don't teach your people to readMaybe not anymore, but they used to, and they probably should.
>>2504567Build construction goods, which make constriction cheaper allowing for more construction. It's called a feedback loop.
Hot take: the game would be better without the construction loop. Building more iron for cheaper iron to get more iron makes no sense. It's a literal ponzi scheme.
>>2504605Nope, they never did. You're thinking of other games.
>>2504619The construction loop doesn't exist, it's a myth. Imagine the private sector didn't exist and you, the government, were the only actor able to build things. When you build something, you lose more money than you gain in the short term from dividends. Now you have two paths:1. Keep building construction goods forever, permanently at a deficit, which eventually causes you to go bankrupt, ending the construction loop and collapsing the entire economy.2. Stop building construction goods, which kills the demand for goods and destroys the economy.Basically, it's impossible to permanently sustain your economy on the loop. It only works so long as the cheaper construction goods are used to create other sort resources, which makes perfect sense.
>>2504605>>2504622Universities increase qualifications though right?Is that no related to education?
>>2504603I meant admin buildings. >went down thanks to the industrial revolutionNordic countries had very high literacy while being agrarian shitholes though and portugoal didn't have full litteracy till revently.
>>2504631Incorrect. Growing the economy gives you magic free money via minting. I'm 100% sure this was done to reinforce the construction loop.
>>2504633Qualifications do nothing. In a way that's actually a good thing, since the mechanic is completely opaque and really retarded in the way it works.
>>2504637Why do they even exist then...?
>>2504637Early in the game they do. Sometimes provinces won't hire for certain buildings unless I enact social mobiloty edict. After the first decades it stops mattering.
>>2504640Placebo. They will hire even if you don't use the decrees.
Realistically only protestant and shinto devout should not be opposed to any form of education with only exception being catholics who are for a special form of religious education that massively empowers the devout.
>>2504645I am pretty sure it does.This is for conquered wrong culture provinces though so it might be that everything turns to shit when a new admin who views the old elites as undermenschen is installed.
>check expenses>discover I am paying 50,000 subventions for importing tools and 20,000 for importing iron
Victoria 3 is not good yet, in fact it never will be
It's one of the best paradox games.
>>2504773many are saying this
>>2504622>You're thinking of other gamesI was talking about real life
I have roughly 224 hours in Vic3, still don't understand shit. I have no problem with other paradox games but Vic3 has the steepest learning curve i think.
>>2504808it's the complete opposite for me, i found it to be the easiest of them all.Actually struggled most with eu4, but got the hang of it, haven't played it for a long time though and probably won't since i'll just wait until eu5 is worth it, if it ever will be.
>>2504898Eu5 has its own construction cycle called click biggest green number
>>2504900haven't played it so can't really comment, but is it good? if so or not so, why? Only heard it has no content.
>>2504808it's easy to understand the things the game actually explainsunfortunately like 1/3 of the mechanics in the game are a black box that's impossible to learn how they work without datamining or spending hours trial and erroring the same situation over and over again
>>2504902Haven't played it in a while either, you should ask /eu5/They're making some pretty big changes tho so you might want to wait before asking.Wars are in smoe ways worse tho. You got your toy soldiers but they lose morale while marching so if you don't babysit them you may lose your whole army to a stack of peasant rebels.
>>2504919>Wars are in smoe ways worse tho. You got your toy soldiers but they lose morale while marching so if you don't babysit them you may lose your whole army to a stack of peasant rebelsHow did pdx, known for their war simulators, fuck up warfare in vic3 and eu5 so badly? is it just a completely different dev team? are they just retarded? Is it that hard to make a war system that isn't complete garbage?I feel pdx of today is a completely different company than it was back then, as i said in another reply; i think modern pdx are just a bunch of theatre kids making stuff for other theatre kids while old pdx were autists making games for other autists.Think i'm just gonna stop buying pdx stuff until they either get replaced by someone else or make better stuff. HoI4 NSB was maybe the last good thing they made before everything went downhill.
I haven't paid attention much to the beta but have they done any changes to laws and negotiations or is it still just RNG bullshit? I remember for negotiations only political concessions were worthwhile but then PDX in all their infinite wisdom added an authority malus to concessions that only goes away if the concession is removed (which is next to impossible unless you change laws)
>>2504633>>2504638Qualifications qualify you to work.It's a very modern way to think that in history everyone who was more than a farmhand had to have gone to university to learn how to work.Qualifications are mostly derived from literacy and wealth but vary per target profession (and the pop's current profession). Universities increase qualification gain... it is not clear if this is a flat amount or a modifier. If it's a modifier then universities are really shit for anything beyond research and making their own pops literate intelligentsia/clergy.It's kind of funny looking at the Officer job and that, by default, normal soldiers are just as likely to become officers as the nobility (I'm not aware enough to know if that's true today, let alone a simulation that doesn't get to WWII), and the only two laws that prevent this radical equality are Peasant Levies and Serfdom.Thinking about it, if this game did actually place real restrictions on class mobility, I think the simulation would probably fall apart.
>>2504649>+25% education accessI think this is the most important part because that's +25% literacy, depending on how fast it is applied.This directly applies to qualifications.>+25% qualificationsPaired with a gain in education, you are effectively double-dipping.Given how strong this seemingly is, and that Nazee decrees (violent suppression/national values) have law restrictions, arguably this decree should not be allowed without a good guy law enacted, though the simulation would make it meaningless with how cookie clicker it is.
>>2504933>i think modern pdx are just a bunch of theatre kids making stuff for other theatre kidsParadox before HoI4: toy soldier map paintingParadox after HoI4: choose-your-own-adventure mission tree map painting
>of simplistic model of reality included more realistic rules it would fall apartThe brightest minds of strategy games are posting
>start as bolivia>give tiny part of amazon to brazil in exchange for protect independence>proceed to BTFO every other SA country including own subjects until the confederation finishesdamn, it's just that easy huh
>>2504950>this gameVictoria 1 and 2 didn't either to be fair.
What would you choose between>pops being distributed in units smaller than the current states>easier means to manage armies>ability to join ongoing wars
Do you go for dynamite or go for nitroglycerin straight away?
>>2505042Just give me a slider to decide how much construction I want the state to do and how much I want the private queue to pay for and I will be happy.
>>2505042>>ability to join ongoing warsI got KEKED out of a protecterate ONCE and ever since I have been fuming over how I am not allowed to join the war and stop someone from just stealing it
Comfy
>>2504769>>2504933Realest posts here. Fuck Paradox, they lost the plot and will never recover. Take a lesson from Total War and stop hoping, just abandon and return to the old games if you still want to play. An Economist Play's last video is a good explanation of Victoria 3's current state
Publicly humilate and crucify the guy at paradox who decided you need to turn on mods and activate a certain playset to make them work.
>>2504950there were different kinds of officers depending on if they were trained or field promoted and hard limits on promotion for the latter and non-aristocrats were heavily looked down on
>>2504040wtf is this shit
>>2497164tbf if you use railways that way, for freight purposes and rail transportion, they will make a profit.Though creating unemployed people, opposite of what the "neoliberalism" schizo spammer keeps saying, is aids in this game.
>>2505189start reading books on your free time and you might find out.
>>2505189pure larpgoogle Max Stirner
>>2505194No it won't. Getting goods to market in this game requires infrastructure, not transportation. Infrastructure isn't priced, so it will never be fulfilled by the private sector. It's a dumb statistic that shouldn't exist.
>>2505198Unless your state is completely void of provinces turning on rail transportation for your lumber mills, mines and transporations should make your railways profitable enough to make a profit without state intervention.
>>2505198>>2505200void of resources*
>>2505200No, you FUCKING RETARD. It's not about being sometimes profitable, but filling freight needs (i.e., filling infrastructure deficits) without state subsidies. The latter is impossible.
>>2505210Just turn on all railway automation pms and also turn off the urban center pm that produces transportation.
>>2505210>the later is impossiblesorry but I think you might have some kind of mental inhibition.I manage to fill my infrastructure needs just by turning on freight transportation for my resource and plantation buildings.Either you should have enough plantations or enough plantations or enough railway buildings to get railways to fulfill your infrastructure needs.Are you playing as Libya?
>>2505212>>2505215Show me a pic of all your infrastructure needs being satisfied without subsidies.
>>2505212Maybe I'm stupid but I always thought you didn't turn on the automation PMs until you ran out of free workers
>>2505219I wish we had that discussion two days ago, because I had a late-game Japan run built entirely on laissez-faire with 0 subsidies and it worked well.>>2505222It depends on what you want to maximize on the short term, employment or budget. If you subsidize railways instead of just creating demand for transportation, you're effectively subsidizing employment.
>>2505222>>2505223If you don't mind micromanaging some you're going to lose very few job opportunities by turning on transporation inputs for select industries in states with a shortage of infrastructure.
You might not like it, but this is what the ideal empire looks like.No, seriously. Snaking through China like this is the best way to spend your infamy. It's really dumb.
Don't know if i'll actually play with it, but looks interesting.https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3816980513
>>2505189states are a spook
Which is more playable at the moment? 1.13 or 1.14 beta?
>>2505262beta with >>2504312is pretty great.
how to commit genocide? I need to get rid of the kkkrakkkas from my New Africa
>>2505272National Values decree.
>>2504372I think you mean technocracy. Technocracy + parliamentary lets you quite literally pick a perfect leader every single time your old one expires.
>>2504529That just means you aren't expanding quickly enough. Also, universities are for tech, not literacy.
>>2504601Literally only industrialists support no migration controls, which is indeed historical.
>>2504631Except you know, all the now much wealthier ex-peasants looking to spend their shiny new wages and thus now generating a much higher demand for various consumer products.
>>2505286That doesn't contradict what I said. Those workers can only buy goods that are being produced. If they're being produced, then your country isn't relying solely on the construction loop to grow.
>>2505289But the existence (and growth) of productive facilities for consumer goods are contingent on sufficient construction capacity being available in the economy, thus making the construction sector and its inputs the driver of the economy in total.
>>2505294Which makes perfect sense. If you have an economy that is just full of peasants living in mud huts, and you want to industrialize it, that's gonna require a lot of resources, and the cheaper those resources are, the easier it's going to be to build all that.
>>2505296So the construction loop does exist then, as maintaining that capacity requires balancing the costs of inputs.
>>2505298If you're going to define the construction loop like that, then you can also talk about a consumer's good required to make the construction loop profitable. And even then it would be flawed, because I could argue that I could just import all construction goods and just avoid it entirely and still have a profitable economy. In fact I've done it before when I had no other choice, when playing as Ethiopia.
>>2505300That doesn't work because the AI doesn't produce shit. The world market has nothing to buy.
>>2505301It will if demand is high enough for long enough. I know this for a fact because I've done it.
>>2505289You're arguing with a thread schizo who'll try to tie every post he makes into "neoliberalism"
>>2505300Production inputs in themselves also inevitably turn profitable once your production exceeds the maximum possible demand of the construction sector, and is then offloaded to the world market. Your issue with the construction loop only arises if we assume absolutely no trade and that the game allowed infinite scaling of construction sectors.
Is there a good Liberia guide that doesn't require conquering Texas?
>>2504988Victoria II has restrictions on mobility.>soldiers, farmers, labourers and clerks can become officersNever mind then!
>>2505272as posted earlier, i made a very rudimentary deportation mod, if you really want it i could maybe get it on the workshop, although be warned it's obviously not really a complete and finished mod.
>>2505277Trade unions should not consider open borders to be the same as closed borders, nor a single step down from whatever migration controls means even since it no longer applied to internal migrations.
>>2505348this only works because the groups are too abstracted, in a more in depth sim there would be different kinds of officers or the officers themselves would simply be subdivided by some other social class values
>>2505317if you're fine with abusing AI colony value you can establish a colony in a severe malaria area, trade it to the UK or other colonial power for land + obligation/other negotiations and expand across the ivory coast
>>2505348Not to speak of farmers and workers becoming aristocrats.
>>2505464I don't know if I could excuse that even if it was late mediaeval, rather than the game's middle modern period.It'd be beyond the scope of any macro level simulation to do more than delete a conquered kingdom's nobility and reassign ownership to the conquering pops.It still amazes me there was a time when paradox said priests were educators, rather than a production method.
>>2505481>when paradox said priests were educatorsThat was pretty dumb in hindsight.
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/593110/?emclan=103582791457287600&emgid=710037059469839141Probably the reason achievements got borked
What kind of fucking crack is Paradox smoking? How is this retarded game years old and still you have a 10:1 numbers advantage and get BTFO because you're the attacker. Literally 50,000 Skirmish Infantry + Mobile Artillery losing against 5,000 Skirmish Infantry. A front shows you 90 advantage and you lose every single battle. This company is unsalvageable.
>>2505558>t. xerxes
>>2505558This doesn't happen without serious supply problems, so I'll chalk this up to being a skill issue.
>>2505569Thanks so much for your expert advice. 100% supply, but phenomenal analysis.>>2505568Feel slightly better now.
>>2505571You're doing something wrong, I've never had this issue.
>>2505573Neat, thank you, glad to hear this game that's been famously broken for years, so busted that even Mongoloids on Steam were reviewing it negatively, actually works great.
>>2505558Got a screenshot of a battle?
>>2505585No, didn't take a screenshot. Still won the overall war given the insane numbers advantage.
>>2505584You aren't really providing much to analyze. But still, if you lost the war under these circumstances you are definitely doing something wrong.
>>2505558Fight in open fields with high infrastructure if you have a numbers advantage...is what I would say if strategic objectives mattered, but now with your generals being able to fight multiple battles at once they will 100% throw bodies into the 6 infrastructure mountain meatpile and make you lose so many soldiers for no reason
>>2505481Anon... Priests WERE the educators in a lot of countries for a LONG time.
>>2505612Yeah, shitty ones, catholic muslim etc.
is it just me or is steel construction unironically cheaper than both wood and iron construction?
>>2505617Yes, that's the point. Iron is cheaper than wood too.
>>2505617Depends on how developed your technology is. It definitely is when you got enough industrial technologies to make Iron and glass cheap. And it gets even cheaper when you've depeasanted and the wages of labourers goes up.
im unironically so pissed theyre making a whole russia dlc and they dont give a shit to add the daugava river
>>2505612Yes, that was sort of my point and how it's placed in Victoria 3 like a badguy law.
>half my pollution is caused by urban centers using trams Should I turn it off?
>badguy law
>>2505995pollution is a meme who cares
Had this bizarre issue in my latest campaign where a small part of my population(1m peasants when I had like 20m working adults) were always peasants despite me having used up all arable land, has anybody else had anything like this? Checking to see what happened I just saw that they were working in arable land instead of the farms and whatnot I had built. I had homesteading and was using whatshisname's soft pop and soft econ mods.
>>2506080All laws besides "Commercialized agriculture" will have a minimum percentage of arable land devoted to subsistence farms.
>>2506080>>2506088Also peasant propertionship will increase the SOI of peasants (and turn some of them into middle class farmers) so your industrial buildings will be less attractive.
let's kill peasants
>>2506240Onions Green building
>>2506317Lol at the filter. "Onions Green is people!"
>>2505592Maybe he's a pirate, and playing an old version? Remember that bug where low numbers would hold off larger ones?
>>2506080Can you check amd see if those guys actually are peasants or farmers?
>>2506383>Can you check amd see if those guys actually are peasants or farmers?Yes. Ask to see their hands.
>40% advantage on offense going into war>more battalions than other side>proceed to get "not enough battalions for length of front" when the enemy doesn't get that and also proceed to get complete dogshit rolls for battle modifiersI hate this game's combat so fucking much bros
>vanguards and communists get love>even the fucking socdems do>anarchists don'tWhat the fuck?
>>2506488They also forgot about nihilists (the most important russian leftists in the mid 1800s)
>>2506444Are you, at least, using correct army composition? For your tech level, I mean.
>>2506488Worse. The anarchism law is offensive (I'm an anarchist) and should be removed from the game.
>>2506496Ancaps aren't real anarchists.
>>2506497Rothbardianism is the purest form of anarchism. If you're not one you're just a communist.
>>2506444just a headsup, killing rate is worthless and has been so for a very long time.
>>2506494what would that be
>>2506501>communist*pro-managerialist statist
>>25065371:1 inf-cav until artillery gets better than cav at which point it's 1:1 art or maybe like 3:2:1 inf-art-cav if you want lots of battle occupationbut as a rule you want as little inf in offensive armies as possible
>>2506494Yeah, it was 50:50 skirmish inf+shrapnel artillery with an experienced offensive planner general + extra supplies, so we're talking 70 offense roughly>>2506526I know, it's not really relevant for what I'm mad about though
Would anyone recommend VFM? I gave it a quick look but a lot of the mechanical changes like new research and PMs is kind of turning me off.
>upgrade to an x3D CPU>games barely runs any fasterdamn...
>>2506526>>2506649is this true? killing rate doesn't mean shit?
>>2507099https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/kill-rate-does-nothing.1936598/It's known to the dev team.
Is the game worth playing now? I only have the base game, never got around to buying any of the DLCs.
Any tips for assimilation runs of homeland pops? Keeping taxes low so minorities don't get radicalized?
>>2506488anarchists are child who don't understand the incentives to consolidate
let's kill bedouins
>>2506488just wait, they'll get their whole own dlc soon enough.
>>2507247Religious schools+state religion and keep them at acceptance level 3 for max assimilation, public schools increase their fervor and are counterproductive for assimilation (and also don't actually increase assimilation iirc)
>dlc entirely focused on russia>not a single word about how 19th century russian serfdom was indistinguishable from ante bellum slavery down to serfs being bought and sold like cattleit'll be shit.
>>2507518also>no words about changing collectivism from making farms worked-owned to farms being state run like industries under central planningmega shit
>>2507318>The internal and external dangers a revolution faces necessitate a centralized state power that is not particularly to anyone’s liking, not in Soviet Russia in 1917, nor in Sandinista Nicaragua in 1980.>Engels offers an apposite account of an uprising in Spain in 1872–73 in which anarchists seized power in municipalities across the country. At first, the situation looked promising. The king had abdicated and the bourgeois government could muster but a few thousand ill-trained troops. Yet this ragtag force prevailed because it faced a thoroughly parochialized rebellion. “Each town proclaimed itself as a sovereign canton and set up a revolutionary committee (junta),” Engels writes. “[E]ach town acted on its own, declaring that the important thing was not cooperation with other towns but separation from them, thus precluding any possibility of a combined attack [against bourgeois forces].” It was “the fragmentation and isolation of the revolutionary forces which enabled the government troops to smash one revolt after the other.”>Decentralized parochial autonomy is the graveyard of insurgency–which may be one reason why there has never been a successful anarcho-syndicalist revolution.Yeah, it will. Right after I'll get the devs to read Parenti.
>>2507518>>dlc entirely focused on russiasorry to be the bearer of bad (good?) news, it's not about russia, it's just about marxism.
>insufficient construction for investment poolOK but was does that REALLY mean? Because I'm spamming construction sector and it isn't making a dent.
>>2507518i find their focus on late game stuff alarming vic3 doesn't have nearly enough railroading for the historical environment for ww1 to emerge
>>2507561it means that just, you don't have enough construction expenses to absorb investment pool contributions
>>2507561>insufficient construction for investment poolYeah, it's a message that tells you your investment pool is still growing.
>>2507562...yet.Choo choo.
>>2506488anarchism? in my state supremacist game?
>>2507564>>2507565Ah. Could be because I enacted laissez faire as East India.
>why does the game where you play as states focus on portraying states?>because it's state supremacist!>I'm a fucking genius!
>>2504529universities increase qualifications not literacy. what fucking university teaches people to read?
Achtually universities raise your literacy by hiring priests and academics who got 50% extra education access.
Would be nice if universities were actually needed to get engineers and officers at more reliable rates. Maybe in a patch 5-10 years from now.
>>2507643costing $10 as always
>>2507647Sweet. That's gonna be 1 dollar in 5 years from now money
>>2507643Stacking multiple universities increases rate of qualifications increases. But otherwise, they have their own logic. And Officers require either a 60 base acceptance, or Servicemen already on duty.
>>2507598Um, excuse me, you play as "the spirit of the nation", not the state.
How to fix infrastructure without subsidizing railways: turn on rail transport for all lumber mills.
>>2507739A.K.A the state.
>>2507555If it was just about marxism they would have more stuff about tsarist russia being an underdeveloped hellhole which made even habsburg incompetence seem preferable.
>>2504040what's the appeal of victoria 3? i don't want to flame, i just want to see if this is worth trying outi like stellaris and ck3 and am wanting to get into more paradox games
>2 dlcs for russia>no dlc for germany>no dlc for italy>no dlc for America and the civil war
fresh stats
>>2507777line go up
>>2507873kinda surprised there's not more larp
>>2507871Glad to see you want to purchase more content, but you need to be patient. China next, anyway.
>>2507777this>>2507874the only fun thing in the game is seeing your gdp, gdp per capita, literacy, population etc get higher. everything else is either tasteless or bloodboiling
>>2507876how come presidential democracies are so popular? i personally almost always go const or parliament and i assumed most other people would be the same
>>2507889I dunno, I hate dealing with elections even if they're rigged. Technocracy and oligarchy are truly too strong
>support independence of some Ethiopian minor, against Britain>they rebel, Britain adds transfer subject on me>the rebel puppet gives in before war, causing me to lose all of East Africa without a battle
>>2507777larping and growing your economy as fast as possible without hurting said larping.
>>2507871>germany already main characters of the game>italysnoozefest>america and civil warindirectly been adding a lot of content there due to trying to de-cheeze the civil war.
>>2507926>indirectly been adding a lot of content there due to trying to de-cheeze the civil war.there aren't much content for the CSA thought
>>2507876because absolute monarchies and other forms of authocracies almost always requires shitty IGs like landowners having power indefinitely
>>2507951>landownersgot a bit confused at first, thought it said lawnmowers
>>2507949still kinda salty you're basically cucked out from expanding westwards as the csa, have thought of just modding over the u.s western expansion stuff to allow it for the csa too.
>>2507961they should have a golden circle path, or atleast a path similar to that turtledove novel.also paths for nation building once slavery have been abolished.i would love if they had paths for the northerm states becoming more progressive/tolerant if the south succed with seccession just to ad more rivalry betwen them
If you are playing as greece, use "green pastures" on your non turkish homeland provinces with no local turks before you become too rich and attract too many immigrants. Pops won't move anywhere unless they get a "local community" flag and green pastures increase the chance of those spawning a lot.
>>2507969>also paths for nation building once slavery have been abolishedseems kinda counterintuitive, no? I mean, the csa is one of the few countries i actually enjoy playing and i have thought of making some kind of flavour pack, but without slaver i'd rather just play the u.s>i would love if they had paths for the northerm states becoming more progressive/tolerant if the south succed with seccession just to ad more rivalry betwen themi don't know if it's hardcoded or not, but it's usually what happens when i play them. they abolish slavery of course, but the ai is fucking retarded so as usual it just spazzes out.
>>2507976Not that anon but for both rp and realism reasons there should probably be a late game journal for an independent CSA where the previous form of slavery becomes unprofitable or unstable like everywhere else in the world and you can choose to abolish slavery or reforge it into a modern variant, like how Austria may get "Neo Absolutism"
Bro you're spoiled as shit. The problem is that the USA's JEs are railroaded as shit and should be regular mechanics. The fact you can't gain homelands without JEs is dumb.
>go from oligarchy to census voting>radicals go from 3 million to 3 million loyalists to 10 to 1 millionFUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK
>>2508027The only gov form you should swap away from oligarchy to is technocracy. Democracy is a trap.
>>2508030I swear, Paradox will give that extra Company to commies, just out of spite.
>>2508017The real treat would be getting to remove cultural homelands somehow.
>>2507873>most played countries>China (twice the playthroughs of anything else)>Japan>Prussia>USA>RussiaI didn't know this game made enough concessions to Winnie the Pooh's lot to be enjoyable for them in the century of humiliation.Having 1 negotiation for every 10 hours played seems odd.
>>2508075China is really OP in this game. If fits their propaganda very well.
>>2508075Chinese players bringing about the revolution, throwing out the Manchus, defeating the Imperialists, etcWhich is funny because Century of Strife isn't even out yet
>>2508075Unlike all other paradox games China might actually be realistically made challenging in this game.Also there's a billion of them so even a small number of chinamen preferring china for nationalist reasons will drive up numbers.
>>2508075>Having 1 negotiation for every 10 hours played seems oddBoy. You're in the company of line-go-up psychopaths like me, who pick Inward Perfectionists in Stellaris and don't declare war on anyone. I double the cost of tech and the duration of the game, too.
Did/will they remove social democracy as an ideology?If so, i kinda wanna rename all the fascism stuff into social democratic/cy. Would be funny.
>>2508081>China might actually be realistically made challenging in this game.Not really? You just need 6 gorillion bureaucracy and you're good to go.
>this will decrease voter confidence by 10%!>check>it's 100% (introduced democracy 1 week ago)any reason to not ratfuck every election to create the eternal nixon reich?
>>2508555Juggling electoral confidence is too annoying. Rigging elections cost 15 confidence while not doing so gains 10. 85 confidence already gives you -5 legitimacy, which democracies struggle with. The only benefit of democracy is female suffrage, which isn't worth the opportunity cost. Always go for oligarchy -> technocracy.
>>2508392Why would they do that?I cannot imagine a Victoria game without social democracy being the end of history.>>2508555I can't even find a wiki page explaining it. How long has it been a feature now? 1 year?
>>2508555If you have strong monoparties like clergy or rural folk its worth rigging, but if you have strong ideological differences in a ruling party it tanks legitimacy like nothing else. If you're trying to appease liberal or radical movements then pass non-voting laws that they like, I guarantee you it'll be easier
>>2508568maybe just me, but didn't they talk about renaming socdem into something else like reformism or something since it wouldn't be accurate for the time or something? idk, maybe i'm just schizophrenic.
>ships are repairing till they're fully recovered or at full crew>no damaged ships>crew won't max out no matter how many naval academies I buildfuck you wizigger
>>2508568did a neoliberal socdem fuck your mother?
Grrrrr. The devs are left-leaning neoliberals and this makes me ANGRY.
I heard this game is garbage, is that true? Very sad if so, I want to play something like it without having to drag out the Vic2 fossil.
>>2508599Yes, but it's also the best game in its genre. Such is life as a grand-strategy fan.
>>2508597yes>>2508599>>2508604i feel like a lot of games are like that, bad but with no real competition. War thunder being my best example.
>>2508597I say this and look like this.Victoria 3 was made during the summer of floyd and it shows hard. Mask mandate references, defund the police events, the entire pollution mechanic.Victoria 2 was made with the same ideological leanings (soc-liberalism is the end point of history and you WILL have perpetual revolts until you achieve that state) but they managed to do it without the constant self-flagellatory snark.I just want to be a Victorian gentleman, not attend a lecture on the history of intersectionalist theory.
>>2508607
>pollution being a problem during industrialization is leftist propagandaamericans are so fucking funny sometimes.
>>2508612Considering the only in-game solution to pollution is socialized healthcare? Yes, it's propaganda.
its not that it wasn't a problem its just that they didn't let it affect policy in any way, and as such it has no reason to exist in a grand strategy game other than political grandstanding about modern day issuespeople were literally falling in the thames because the industrial smog was so thick they couldn't see where they were walking, but nothing was ever legislated in a way that is represented by the laws in gamealso think its cute how you defend victoria 3's honor due to agreeing with it politically here every single day, showing you don't actually play the game because you don't enjoy itdifference between victoria 2 and victoria 3 is victoria 2 was a game people actually played and enjoyed, victoria 3 is just a game people agree with while never actually launching it
>>2508617The devs' political bias hurts the game because policies they dislike become joke laws. See: private healthcare and anarchism. The USA's 2nd amendment causing increased mortality is also really petty.
emphasis on "played"
I have 2000 hours of Vicky 3 on steam. I also hate it. Such is life as a GSG fan.
>>2508623>The USA's 2nd amendment causing increased mortality is also really petty.Makes light of the genuine issue of mental health in the modern day really, but it's this performative box-ticking form of progressivism where appearing to be virtuous is far more important than anything, again extremely evident of this summer of floyd mentality behind the development of the game.Again, Victoria 2 was an avowedly Marxist game, with concepts such as consciousness woven into the fabric of it, but they managed to do that without beating the player over the head. I'm not averse to these political opinions, but all they're doing with their sanctimonious gloating is preaching to the choir, people who already agree with them will agree harder and people who don't will be turned off.>>2508627Yeah, I'm not booting up a game that is ore than a decade old purely because its sequel is a steaming pile of dogshit. Victoria 2 is mechanically outdated now, a curse that comes for pretty much every game except maybe chess. Doesn't mean it wasn't hot shit back in the day.
>accuse others of only coming here to discuss a game's politics>reveal you don't play either gameyou might actually be retarded.
Where else am I supposed to lament that they ruined the Victoria franchise to appeal to sycophantic ideologues other than the Victoria 3 general?
>>2508595Not exactly. He was semi-based when not at the dinner table with my mother. Still hates HR, meetings and paperwork. He's become more post-race and an advocate for the democrat party (he's European) as he's progressed in his pension years.He's stuck in the '80s and doesn't touch grass... to put it one way, if he attended a palestine rally, 1) he's unable to tell you what the palestine flag is (completely blind to it), 2) wouldn't like how hating israel isn't about principles like the good ol' days but something about a funny moon and star religion being the best thing ever, and 3) confused where all these brown people came from.Mother is more like one of Orwell's lines about women being at the forefront of the party.Both boomers, both contradictory politically. Mother has a hatred of communists but worked for the state their entire lives (their original private jobs were gained with a firm handshake), jingoist until the wrong man decides on war, fundamentalist but never attended church, thinks there's no money left to pay people but that her pension needs to go up every year, perhaps you could call it deeply held vibes.I'm surprised that, given Victoria 3 should be majority millennial behind the wheel, there's not much ageism given what boomers slung out for decades. There's not even a governing party loyalty effect for the pension law or anything recording property in a landowner-rentoid dynamic.>>2508612Tacked on mechanic that is solved through state doctors.We have event artwork for sophisticated black royalty, oppressed blacks, and blacks in the foreign legion (ironic given france had unga bungas who didn't know what bullets were, or how to not commit warcrimes in the trenches), and yet the only "black country" artwork we have is when you fill a state with a lot of mines, and it looks positively clean.In fact the game seems a little light on a victorian perspective...
>>2508617>victoria 3 is just a game people agree with while never actually launching itrealest shit i've seen here. from a gameplay perspective it's just a mid cookie clicker, but people will god defend it simply because they agree with the devs. It's not even that i'm pissed vic3 is what it is, but that people who defend it pretend it isn't something it very obviously is. If they want their larp game, fine, just don't pretend it isn't.>>2508632>beating the player over the headthat's also pretty tiring. I'ts not just yellow paint like most normie games, but it's not that much more subtle. You just know exactly who wrote and made this game simply from how it's written. I really recommend checking the devlog for norway's alt hist paths for the old hoi4 scandinavian dlc, paints a good picture.>>The USA's 2nd amendment causing increased mortality is also really petty.could present a couple of graphs that would specify what the actual problem is, but i'll refrain from this just turning into /pol/
imagine if V3 was made by right-wing chuds and public healthcare got a 20% tax waste modifier. It's only fair and realistic, right?
>"rightoids complain when game isn't 100% like their larp!!!">never heard anyone complain about the politics of picrel
>>2508623>giving the populace of drunkards and overworked peons access to firearms shouldn't increase mortalityare you genuinely dumb?
>>2508653Most of the US population was made up of homesteading farmers. Firearms were necessary for everyday life. Gun control was implemented in Europe to prevent serfs from resisting the monarchy, not for "general safety". That's a modern invention.
>>2508030What are the advantages of oligarchy? For me is just worse wealth voting.
>>2508649Corruption would be nice.In a similar vein I'd like it if market access price impact was given directly to the trader classes, rather than burned.I want to consider if it's better to have a straight bureaucracy that does what it's told, or a bent one that misappropriates funds meant for the wood-iron-tool factory mines and becomes very loyal because of this abuse.The bureaucracy isn't enough of an enemy. You can just defund any institution for no good reason.
>>2508654never heard of moonshine? those farmers where getting drunk as hell
>>2508653
>>2508661Highest and most consistent legitimacy. Wealth voting is voting so it can randomly fuck up your legitimacy due to party composition with zero counter-play. Going oligarchy -> technocracy is also really easy (use the radical movement). By far the easiest way to get it.
>>2508666WE should make a mod that gives blacks a gun obsession but also makes states with them have higher mortality
>>2508668I have thought about reworking the whole "culture" groups and such to be more accurate.
>>2508615Nothing wrong with propagating a message that is true. But environmental regulations
>>2508649Too bad right wing incels can't make anything but wojak memes and schizo long posts
>>2508671are definitely going to become a thing in the future. Laws locked by tech, of course.
>>2508671Imagine if the in-game solution to pollution is the state shutting down coal mines. It'd make the players so angry.
>>2508673Oh god. The environmental regulation law will just magically lower pollution with no downsides, won't it? I can already imagine it.
>>2508649>right-wing chuds>create fucking anything of worthThat would certainly be the day. Wait, do you think creative types are mostly liberals, because of some grand conspiracy? And not because you're a worthless fuckwit and a dullard?How's Victoria 2 remake going, by the way? Is the communist programmer still working? :^)
>>2508666Hawaii sounds like a nice place to live.
>>2508677Are you okay anon? Your blood pressure is spikingI don't think anyone would call Paradox liberal or left wing outside of virtue signalling, their beliefs are quite chuddy considering their love of the state, they even made military police the best policing law on day 1
>>2508680>leftism is anti-stateWhat century are you from?
Also, the best police law is No Police. The way that institution works is comically bad. The game even has anti-police events to downgrade it.
>>2508681>statists aren't chuds>leftists cannot be chudsForgive me but are you really saying this?
>>2508692>leftists>chudsWhat the fuck, do words even have any meaning left in your world?
>>2508672>>2508677are you seriously doing the xitter "only leftists can make art" bit?
>>2508698>xitter invented making fun of right-wingersLol. Lmao. You're a talentless nigger, and when was the last time the right produced an artist like Dostoyevsky? The best you got is Chuck Palahniuk, but nobody cares about Fight Club, anymore.
>>2508701JRR Tolkien.
>>2508702>garbage made popular by Gen X hippieslmfao
>>2508701Are you triggered because Hitler made better paintings than you?
>>2508706Pfft. No.
>>2508707i really don't get how you're this pissy, why even be here?
>>2508708>>2508709Nobody is surprised that you lack understanding. Or that you proceeded to demonstrate that "only leftists can make art" by complaining about lack of respect for the mediocre work of a victim of suicide.
>>2508698Given how many "woke" accusations are thrown around, yes. The incel who cried woke
>>2508666Is Vermont heaven?
>>2508708I'm not saying I agree with it, but romanticism was old shit long before the '20s. This is the equivalent to someone showing up to an art college today trying to pass off Andy Warhol tier shit
>>2508708>>2508709Makes you wonder what the purpose of art schools are
>>2508721>drop google maps man anywhere>green trees and good roads>no trash>photography is about how cold it getsMust be
>>2508731>good roadsalmost like democrats should be in charge
>>2508733You might want to boil the leather before deep throating that boot heel just to own the right.Or color code that gun graph. However you want to spend your time is up to you.
>>2508737Do you think it's libertarians building private toll roads in Vermont?
>>2508739You're a lolbertarian.
...?Are lolberts butthurt An-libs got dropped from 3? Because that was just a retarded meme in 2.
>>2508756I'm upset at the idea they'll introduce an environmentalism law to solve pollution. No idea what the other fag is triggered about.
So how do you load mods onto a pirated Victoria 3? Do you have to do it through the paradox launcher? If you own the base game, can you slap the DLC files into the game folder, load the mod, start the game, and you are good? Or does the launcher fuck you up if you try and start the game without licensing all the DLC?
>>2508762Those laws do work irl tho like when's the last time a river started burning?
>>2508805Right. Everybody knows commie countries have no pollution because the laws on books say so.
>>2508679Hawaiians just beat up whites/japs, they don't shoot them.
>>2508805They don't fit into the time period of the game. The best you get are things like national parks, but they don't reduce pollution impact on industrialized areas.
>>2508683Police power bloc is insanely powerful, especially for springtime of nations. 25% activism reduction and 250 extra authority is nothing to sneeze at and you just go dedicated police if you don't want to deal with landowners
>>2508832Most radicals come from SOL / legitimacy, so police does nothing. Using up an entire power bloc principal just for authority is a huge waste. It's not even free, since for populous countries police is very expensive.
On one hand, extraction economy in my vasals really doesnt do much for me. On the other hand, why shouldnt they suffer?
>>2508612pollution isn't a problem in the game
>>2508844It's less about radicals and more about movement activism. the radical movement is a pain in the ass and becomes even more of a pain during springtime, so having a 25% baseline reduction in activism prevents them from starting a revolution (and staying below the activism threshold for radical generation is important with how big the movement initially gets)Once the radical movement is dealt with you can shift that bureaucracy and mandate slot to something else
>>2504950>Thinking about it, if this game did actually place real restrictions on class mobility, I think the simulation would probably fall apart.Japan sort of has it as a special mechanic and it works fine.
>>2505042A war system where your goals are peddled to the domestic population while what you actually accomplish is based on your perfomance.>Promise quick and easy war>Can declare with little buildup>Failing to deliver a quick and easy war rapidly deteriorates war support and IG approval>Conversely, lay the groundwork for longer and more difficult wars>Eats up the law vote slot>Can produce supply increases, turn IG leaders jingoist, provide relations with rivals of your target>War support decays slower>Your leftover war support at the end of the war can be used to take extra goals
>>2507453state religion is great for conversion, terrible for assimilation.turns your wrong religion pops into 5fth-class citizens who won't assimilate till they convert.
>>2508674>event with a mtth of like 36>permanently closes down all coal mines in a state while also blocking the construction of new ones there>you can get rid of it but you have to spend like 500 authority for 5 years just for a single state>>2508777>Do you have to do it through the paradox launcher?Yes but not necessarily, there's a dlc_load.json or whatever under My Documents/Paradogs/Vic3/ that you can write the mods directly into I believe, although you'd need to guess your way into getting the syntax right. You don't need to bother with that unless your launcher is somehow broken though, you can just plop the mods under /Paradogs/Vic3/mods and you won't even need to modify descriptors, the launcher will see the mods and you can just play like that.>If you own the base game, can you slap the DLC files into the game folder, load the mod, start the game, and you are good?Check CreamApi, I never used it so I can't tell you much but it is supposed to be very easy to play with DLC. The launcher won't do anything to you, even when you've cracked the game it'll just tell you it can't verify the DLC but still allow you to load the game and play with them.
>>2508943don't you remove it relatively early?
>>2505242>Not taking KoreaYou get a retardedly easy JE once you own it to make every state at least 5% Japanese and have profitable companies in exchange for some nice bonuses.
does everyone who play this game just ignore any overseas expansion and play infinate dwarf-fortress by stacking shit on their capital?>no easy way to tell how many convoys your armies will need when you raise them>need to check every sea zone individuall to see how many convoys you are losing there>need to micromanage convoy protectionit's aids and I hate it and Got straffe England
>>2508957You can remove it early if you cheese it a bit, yes, but the groundwork for such a system is there if they actually wanted it and it DOES function as intended.
>>2508876Bro, you're confusing police and secret police.
>>2508972Korea is a newbie trap. It has less resources than Shengjing by itself. That JE gives you jack shit. Same with shinto, actually. The shinto JE can give you good bonuses, but it''s absolutely not worth the opportunity cost. It's also a newbie trap.
It still annoys the fuck out of me that they just give Japan generic claims on Korea instead of attempting to model the historic events of the Ganghwa Incident.>If Japan has finished their restoration JEs, has the ironclad technology, and Korea isn't in a GP's power bloc, Japan can cuck China and turn then into a protectorate
>>2508986I've never had to think about the Shinto JE. It always completes itself by default on laws I'd have anyway with zero decrees.
>>2508998It's impossible to complete if you get any migration from China/Korea. You have to go for religious schools and not conquer anything.
>playing ottomans and annexing shit around me>Russia joins>can slowly push into Russia but forced to white peace since the new war goal mechanic times out humiliate>declare next war right after>Russia joinsebin system. Just constant war with Russia over fuck ass uncivilized minors
>>2509004Humiliate them.
>>2509004Why would they just allow you to invade nations they want to exploit/invade? God forbid the AI do anything.
>>2509004Enjoy. I just did a Ottoman run recently and I had constant wars with Russia, they legitimately didn't stop deccing me over retarded shit until I released almost every country I could and turned them into a minor backwater. Winning wasn't a problem but I wasted a lot of cash and thus construction on them, hope you don't end up doing the same.
>>2508986>opportunity costWith all due respect, as long as you manage the opening well enough Japan is one of those countries where you don't have to care about optimal strategies
>>2509004Someone made a mod for that.>>2504312It brings back forever wars tho.
>>2509024If you don't care about minmaxing there's no reason to even bother with finishing the shinto JE. This entire discussion is based on what's optimal.
>>2509051>It brings back forever wars tho.That's because of the retarded + war support modifiers the game has. Whoever balanced that shit is actually brain-dead and needs to never design a game again.
>>2509055maybe they'll replace it with something that makes sense in a few years, like they did with markets.
let's kill slaves
let's kill magyars and italians
>>2508825>They don't fit into the time period of the game.That's why I said "locked behind tech". I didn't mean Era 1, 2 or even 3 tech, either.
>>2508661-10 vs +20% penalty from ideological compatibility. Unless you neuter the clergy and landowners random parties may fuck your legitimacy up.Greater flexibility on government makeup.
>>2508612Pollution was a thing, but the game takes place before pollution control was actually a thing anyone did. It's an anachronism to make it an issue in this time period.
>transportation covers population needs through communication along with telephones and freedom of movements along with cars with a strong pop preference for the later in both cases>late games transporation will be nuked into oblivion by the later, making all your railways unprofitable forcing you to subsidize your railways to not suffer low infrastructurefurther proof none actually plays this game past the mid game
>>2509376You can ameliorate the crash in transportation prices by enabling rail transport for resource operations but unless you have an extremely resource rich capital you won't be able to use enough transportation. There honestly needs to be transportation options for industry as well so you can keep up demand for it without running into the wall of running out of resource/agriculture slots
>>2509421also turning on personalized transportation for urban centers and prioritized cargo transportation for railways since those produce transportation but no infrastructure.It's not a real issue since it's late game and you're rich as shit but it's still a pretty obvious example of stuttering, suddenly all your states got low market access due telephones and cars getting available.
Winning the neglecting my army and being assraped by germany award
>>2509511just ally themstaying in hugbox with them as russia is the winning play
Is this a spooky-month-only thing?
>>2509647Yeah, if you have romanian as a primary culture he'll show up, you can also get frankenstein and a special company if you own bavaria
Protip: you can extort German minors and uncivs for free money in exchange for obligations. This is very powerful as small countries, as you can get 5k income for free at the start of the game.
>>2509654>frankenstein and a special company if you own bavariaDr. Frankenstein was written as an explicit reference to Adam Weishaupt, the founder of the Illuminati, down to the same university chair at Ingolstadt.
>>2509647>enabling magic events
>send navy out to blockade coastal province>only other possible supply route is through my land>200k troops sitting there at full supplyWhat is the point of the option then
>>2509692The supply system is a clusterfuck of three different logistics systems. In your case you need to raid supply ships, not blockade.
>blockade doesnt affect supply ships supplying an army>you need a million fucking capital ships just to get past ONE (1) level of coastal defenses when bombarding so you can't destroy the ports eitherThis is so fucking dogshit, every aspect of the warfare system is designed to piss you off
Posting without a comment.
>>2509692Blockades aren't for combat. They're for crashing someone's trade-based economy.
>>2509700>>2509795so the game just lies then
>>2509803It might be text left over from when merchant fleets were used for supplying armies.
let's kill conscripts
>>2509752tiananmen square
>>2509421>There honestly needs to be transportation options for industry as wellIt's actually completely baffling that there still is no such thing.
fell for the technocracy meme and now half my country's clout comes from capitalists.
>>2510343I simply clergymax and have negative authority from giving them political concessions for everything (but it means they're basically permanently happy barring retarded lobby choices like a friendly lobby with your arch nemesis GP)
>>2509752why do germanboos never make cool looking greater germanys? like a germany which borders ends at the urals?
When are they bringing back toy soldiers? (it will instantly make the game a 9/10)
>>2510405It takes too many wars to get all that land. And also I don't feel like dealing with the consequences of going above the infamy limit.
At that point infamy is nothing but a number.
All they need to fix is every war not turning into a death war and this game will be perfect.
>UK randomly got protectorate wargoal on me during a conquest war (i am #2 GP) and immediately downgraded me to minor power and disbanded my fully built power blocThat's it, these britniggers are getting cheat dismantled
>>2510488How can you lose a war so badly that you get turned into a protectorate as the #2 GP?
>>2510490I conquered one of their protectorates and they got a war goal to protectorate ME instead of releasing the country as a subject, so despite having 1000+ prestige I got immediately downgraded to minor power because the goal doesn't work on major powers and above
>>2510488Load an old save, tags switch to england and surrender.
Should I try to babysit this bavaria I wonder?>>2510475You didn't play the beta? They tried something like that with unpressed war goals vanishing after 2 years but it screwed up the rest of the game.Maybe after 20 hotfixes for next patch.
>>2510648The bad part is that next patch will revert the dropped wargoals, which WILL result in eternal wars. Just recently I had an independence war against Britain which I was about to lose (despite winning 100%), because their war enthusiasm wasn't dropping because of bullshit modifiers like lobbies and cultural fervor. Whoever balanced this system needs to be shot out of a cannon.
>>2510678I think they said they were going to change that for the main patch. May go look up that dev diary if you want.
I've come to the conclusion that maxed out public schools is really bad. It raises SOL expectations above what you can fulfill. Trade sucks so there's no global demand for goods, so none of your industries will be profitable enough to support high wages. Labor-saving PMs are utterly worthless because decrease profitability (and usually productivity too). I think you're genuinely expected to go for cooperative ownership.
>>2510689Give everybody gibs and hospitals and you should have more than enough SoL to not have the niggerape masses chimping out against you.
>>2510678Just extend the deadline to 5 years for unconstested wargoals and you got a fair compromise between eternal wars and wars that last longer that 2 years in case of stalemate.I just made a mod that does that and Carlist War worked fine.
>>2510418Never. We simulation Chads now.
>>2510689Religious schools is just flat out better 90% of the time, especially when combined with state religion. It's enough to put any zero shared traits into tier 3 acceptance with CE and you can get the ragged schools amendment and powerbloc mandate to make it extremely cheap
>>2510689>>2510913part of the issue is that the relation between literacy and max innovation is linear. The difference between maxed out religious schools and public schools is 12.5 literacy. Or a measly 20 innovation. And that difference starts going away as your pop moves past 14 SOI and improves literacy due to wealth. Innovation also suffers from limiting returns. The first 50 will double your reserch speed, the other 50 will increase it by 1.5 times and the next 50 grants you 30% faster research.
Hope they spice out the traditionalism law some time. Japan and the Ottoman empire while not modern had very different societal systems that allowed one to get on par with the west the the other one failed.
Ngl, interest groups have been pretty pointless and easy to game since they added movements and allowed you to assign agitators as leaders.
>>2511011Negotiations are by far the biggest tool added and let you skip some very annoying potential stall events (serfdom is very easy to abolish if you can negotiate with the landowners as they'll almost always ask for a state redemption tax. same with most IGs and passing tax laws or the clergy and no migration controls)
I see the game is on sale right now and I'm tempted to buy it. My favorite paradox games are CK2, EU5, V2, EU4, and HOI4 (in that order - haven't played the other ones XD)In fact I very nearly did buy it last night but then I found out the game has totally abstract warfare system where instead of fighting the wars it's an even worse version of HOI4 (which I strongly dislike because you can't control the individual armies very well but instead assign divisions to a general and then right click warsaw or whatever)So I guess my question is how much of a dealbreaker is the warfare system? From what I understand it's even worse than HOI4 in that I dont even get individual generals to assign units to but rather just assign them to entire "fronts" as in if I'm playing as Germany I might be able to assign soldiers to the west, east, south etcI'm ngl I really enjoy the war system in CK2 and EU5 / EU4 and V2. It has it's dumb quirks (like sieges can be annoying) but I find it quite fun and it's definitely something I enjoy about playing paradox games.I guess my question is how "good" is the rest of the game? Does it "compensate" for this new "warfare" system? Is the V3 system "fun" at all? And is there a chance it gets "fixed" by an upcoming update? Is there any point in buying right now if the game will go on sale again and maybe "fix" the warfare system?Also my current understanding is the two DLC (something like Charts and Commerce and Spheres of influence) are "essential" but I dont "need" all the other random DLC, right?Thanks for any and all advice :D
>>2511146Just pirate the piece of shit game and see for yourself.
>>2511146It's not a map painter. It's a cookie clicker game. Pirate it and see if it's fun.
Damn, this was absolutely not worth the effort to do.
>>2511789what does the +/- liberty desire look like?
>>2511792Not that bad, surprisingly. Brazil abolished their public schools in a coup so fervor isn't that high and I've made sure to not have any negative lobbies form. The timed modifier is 10 years of -0.15 liberty desire tied to making the PU
>>2511146like the other people said, it's a cookie clicker with a skin over it. I recommend you to pirate it and play it for a bit before you decide to purchase or not. Even better is if you're not interested in achievements, then i'd just say pirate it and never buy it. It won't be worth the money until in like maybe 10 years when you get everything including DLC's for at least 60% off or something.It's alright, but PDX knows they essentially have no competition so they overprice their stuff to hell.
Post mod lists.I like vanilla+
>>2512348I looked up War is Politics out of curiosity. How the fuck is this not a basegame feature yet???
>>2512348>queer rights
How long do you give it before 1.15 becomes playable?
>>2512587It will be good by christmas :)
Used to pick the middle-option for the nihilist event but radical nihilists are pretty good for going from state religion to freedom of conscience
>>2512348Is there a mod that adds a slider for state/private construction sector? I am not very fond of the mid-game mini game where you build just enough to make both you and the private sector break even.
>kill rate functioning again>countries can now defend their subjects even if in a play supporting the aggressor (no more exploding EIC with cheese)>single party state allegedly functions now instead of being the agrarian party every time>communists now aggressively push to remove non-commie laws and generals from the country in council republicNeat, might be worth supporting the paris commune just to get rid of their insanely good generals
>>2512782>>kill rate functioning againwhere did they say this?
>>2512809https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/victoria-3-dev-diary-195-state-and-revolution-update-1-15-changelog.1947390/>Fixed a bug where Kill Rate and Recovery Rate did not affect the ratio between Dead and Wounded in combat>Fixed a bug where Kill Rate affected the ratio between Demoralized and Casualties when the opposing side had a positive recovery rate>Fixed a bug where kill rate modifiers were counted twice in battleshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYUjvI79uGc
this game's navy system is so fucking annoying. having to go through 50 menus instead of being able to manually move ships is retarded. army's were bad enough but the navy is so tedious
man, between this and all the railroading bullshit, russia is going to be aids to play, isn't it?
>>2513202Making Russia harder to play is good.Hope the china update makes Qing aids too.
>>2513202The point of the favorites system is to help work around that, is it not? I saw that the favorites system isn't just for russia and functions for autocracy/oligarchy/technocracy/landed voting too, so this should help almost all backwards nationsBesides, you just make sure they're either happy, marginalized, or have no general or admiral anywhere near the capital
>>2513379Half the playerbase is chinks. They will riot.
Fervor is such a shit mechanic. If a culture is large, it will get +25 from academics, which then qualifies them for an awakening to reach 45 fervor. There's nothing you can do about it. All it means is that you can't assimilate these cultures past the midgame.
>>2513475it makes sense
>>2512358They don't want to have a war game so that apparently includes not having politics shape their cookie clicker game, I guess.>>2512771This one maybe? I've never used it.https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=3420714166
>>2513479>not having politics*not having war
>>2508671>state regulation>workslol pollution permits were and are dogshit and the previous system of reimbursing the victims of pollution was infintely better. If wiz wasn't a softcore commie he'd have added ancap policies to complete the anachronistic pie but parajew is itself too commie to understand ''anarcho-liberals'' besides ten trillion revolts per month for establishing pinko hell
>>2513679Shame you benefit from the regulation you so disdain, instead of dying in a house fire. Used to be two per night, on average. It's why fire department was created, but today they're mostly very bored.
>>2513679lazy fare already is an ancap anachroism
>>2513683>>>/pol/To entertain your tangent, forced insurance in general is a grift by insurance firms and pinkos in govt to make sure anyone too poor to be included gets fucked, which the pinkos can grift off of to further rob the public in general. However, fire codes when voluntarily enacted are good as that is an engineering problem rather than a manufactured social issue. Tbh devs should add more grifters and political schemes like fabian socialists to the game, it would be fun to man the courts as FDR in the new expansion and turn America to the pinko hell that murdered McCarthy and sold out china to Mao's reign of terror. You should also be able to watch as industrialists and commies cooperate to make a state trade union to fuck the trade unions, A faction which itself should be far more conservative than they are in game.>>2513688Lazy fairy was genuine British foreign policy, if parajew were competent they would also add List seething about it to influence German junkers, but there's not even Lysander spooner or Böhm-Bawerk in the game.
You can't direct people to pol when you are the one to bring up politics.
>>2513737Politics as relevant to vic3 or 19-20th centuries which can be used for vic3 is not only acceptable but on point for the thread. >>2513683 however is pure politics which i entertained for about 2 sentences and referred to >>>/pol/. My point in general is that the sheer amount of commie bullshit should not be removed but that their opposites in ancap policies straight out of the fantasies of the likes of spooner (and even anachronistically, later thinkers) should be added. There is a distinct lack of non-commie figures in the game like Pareto, Hitler, the aforementioned spooner desu. There should also be an overhaul of tech as tech were invented by certain people and with patents and the piracy thereof, imagine dr. Diesel, Tesla, Graham Bell or Mauser as strategic assets in and of themselves. Say you extract Sikorsky from the fall of Russia and he gives a good buff to planes and maybe gives experimental helis towards the very end of the game or in mods.
The way multiculturalism works in the game is already pure fantasy. Why not include other fantasy laws?
Tips on how to decide what to build? I watched some hamkurtz videos and following his advice I built construction sectors until my balance is barely in the negative, then I tried building the construction sector input resources, wood and iron, but it seems like my resource deficits keep getting worse and worse and I’m going to spend half the game building logging camps as a Belgium which seems like a non-European thing to do, should I be building high level buildings and just importing the inputs, but how do I determine what to build.Also how and when do I invade Africa, it’s 1846 and England and France are already conquering coastal nations. Meanwhile I don’t even have an option to declare war on the blacks. It says online you used to have to “declare interest” (press x to unlock diplomacy options and get better trade prices) but they removed it? And apparently I have to manually set up trades to import resources or some shit? I’m getting pissed off at this game, the economy is too complex and not in a good way. I don’t want to micro trades.
>>2514173lumber is for big nations with shitload of peasants i haven't played belgium, but im pretty sure you should have decent amount of iron and coal, so you can start with iron and transition into steel fastjust build the most profitable stuffdebt spending is honestly overrated, if you don't feel safe, just don't do it, it's very easy to spiral on non-gpsmanual trade isn't really a thing, treaty goods exchange is basically just a commitment to buy some stuff from foreign marketyou need fleet to conquer overseas, set it to project power and you will gain diplo interest in adjacent regionsit's easy to hit the ceiling with belgium, you have few people, few resources and no market really i think reforming laws and depeasanting is the best part of the game, that's why i never played iti played sweden on my first run i think, but i didn't understand anything besides just basics of building your supply chain
>>2514176I didn't really mean going into debt, but deficit spending your savings to build things and then refilling the gold reserves via privatization. I though the fun of the game was supposed to come from turning a small low-pop nation into a world power by exploiting colonies to do the menial labor and then just having your elite accepted pops be the soldiers and administrators who run the empire.
