After 23 years Warcraft 3 got a new campaign.https://youtu.be/I1kXClUCyuAhttps://youtu.be/m-C20pyrvjk
>>2487592>ReforgedEhh
>>2487592Sad.
Somehow they made a trailer that copies the RoC trailer and made it lamer.
>>2487592But why?
>>2487592every fucking year I pray nublizz doesn't touch wc3 ever again because the game doesn't really need to be updated by themWorst of all there's so many people glazing this shit alreadyNever been this mad in years
garbage
>>2487634Warcraft as an IP is under Microsoft the same way Age of Empires/Mythology is.Microsoft probably saw that AoE/M is making money by making DLCs meanwhile Warcraft and Starcraft are doing between jack and shit in comparison.
>>2487652what microsoft don't understand is that this studio must be purged
>>2487649I feel very much the same anon.It is my favorite game of all time, and ever since Reforged I feel bad playing it and won't through their official channels.
>>2487592I don't want to play as the undead though, I want to play as the good guys.
>>2487664anon the forsaken are the good guys
>>2487592the reforged look is pure cancer, it's so fucking ugly and oversaturated
>>2487592>forcing me to download another poorly optimized 10 gigabytes of shit I don't care aboutFuck you
>>2487592So is Microjeet trying to turn Warcraft 3 into another Age of Empires/Mythology type of perpetual cash cow? Just continuous graphic/gameplay "updates" plus new DLC and expansions?Because that's the feeling I get from this announcement.
>>2487723Yes. They tested it first in Diablo 2 with the new class. They will milk nostalgiafags forever.
$45 AUD for just one campaign? lol. lmao even. Are they taking the piss?
$50 for a 2010 Hiveworkshop tier campaign?It hurts.
>>2487739>>2487738Original WC3 looks so crisp compared to the new crap
>>2487739>>2487738why do they hate my favorite game so much?
>>2487737Did they hire that guy that made some fan examples years ago? also some look really unfinished >>2487738>>2487739Eh it looks fine, the fact that you can't use them in the OG campaign is fucking retarded
>>2487738How did they manage to do worse than a mod? https://kenshin.pl/classicplus/
>>2487723>So is Microjeet trying to turn Warcraft 3 into another Age of Empires/Mythology type of perpetual cash cow?Yes
are they doing anything to spice up the MP?
>>2487758Removed LAN play so you are forced to play on their serversAdded 24 unit selectionAdded new retarded neutral hero
>>2487762>Removed LAN play so you are forced to play on their serverswhy?
>>2487737>>2487738>>2487739these look so much better than original reforged and yet I still think they're kinda shitalso why does the terrain look so much shittier in BOTH reforged and definitive compared to the original? it's distractingly bad.
>>2487737>instead of taking the good aspects of reforged graphics and improving upon them while fixing what sucked let's scrap the whole thing and do a piss-poor "remaster" of the original graphics>oh yeah and let's force the game to be always online so we can spy on our players betterit's amazing that even when trying to undo their fuckups blizzard manages to fuck up harder than before
>>2487768There were no good aspects of reforged, they were unsalvageable
>>2487592am i reading this right? new campaign is undead only with special snowflake sylvanas as the hero? no campaigns for the other races?
>huge new campaign>always online client>lan removed>wc champions kia>the updated graphics are still shitwhy are blizzard such a monkey paw company?
I think the new graphics look pretty decent, mainly the terrain sucks
>>2487808They should fix the clipping of the tower foundation though (they won't)
>>2487814
>>2487769The reworked unit models were on the right path. The just needed to refine them and fix the glitches.
>>2487817
>>2487818>The reworked unit models were on the right path, just needed refinementAre we seriously doing historical revisionism a la "new thing is out now so last thing wasn't that bad actually"?Reforged graphics completely missed the graphical design philosphpy of WC3, unit readability was complete dogshit and there was no saving it.
>>2487649It's even more ridiculous because they put out Starcraft Remastered which is great. I feel bad for WC fags, Brood War chads are living the dream.
>>2487821What historical revisionism? Even people on this godforsaken site thought most of the new unit models were pretty good, just needed adjustment.
>>2487840>Even people on this godforsaken site thought most of the new unit models were pretty good???????
>>2487783apparently it's more like the rexxar rpg campaign with donut steel edgy main character and not-sylvanas elf waifu, I think it doesn't even have base building
>>2487845Oh yeah i can tell the Hiveworkshop guys worked on this one.
>>2487592I thought this would be free since WC3 reforged was a mess and it would be seen as a way to go back to making amends with the community and making way for WC4. But it costs as much as the base game + expansion, while adding nothing new besides a singleplayer campaign. So this is Microsoft Blizzard MO now. Get old game and add overpriced additions like the warlock class in D2 for low effort instead of making new games.Sad thing is people are praising them for it.
>>2487848yeah, it definitely feels like a custom campaign you'd download, except now you pay for it. even the "forsaken campaign" idea is something that has been done before by modders
>>2487763why indeed
>>2487840>Even people on this godforsaken site thought most of the new unit models were pretty goodwelcome timeline traveler, in this timeline nobody on this site thought the new unit models looked good. Literally everyone on the planet thought they looked atrocious and how they should've just used the HotS models and artists instead of outsourcing everything to a malaysian sweatshop slave operation for pennies
>>2487808>>2487814>>2487817>>2487819looks like they changed everything except grubby's greedy disingenuous mug
>>2487737>SKRILLAX GOT JAWMOGGED AT LOOKSMAXX V TOTAL RIZZ HUMILIATION
>>2487737Fuck it, at this point I hope they come up with a 4th art style to toggle between too. I want to watch Happy queue up a 1v1 but the map and units look like they belong in JJK.
>>2487875>handsome squidward with hair
>>2487817The terrain with ice and ground looks AWFUL here. It's like a glass floor with holes to a pit. What the fuck is this?
>>2487876>2035>blizzard is still releasing $30 "expansions"(campaigns) for WC3 while adding a new artstyle(7th) instead of making a WC4
>>2487739>>2487737>>2487738I suppose at least one can appreciate the units keeping their models this time around- even if obviously everything looks like it's made out of clay and plastic and taken out of a shitty phone game. I can't believe this shipped. Then again, I couldn't believe Reforged I shipped either.Anyway I said a while ago that it's impossible for them to add a new race, since that would imply either making each model twice (three times at this point, lmao what a fucking mess) one for reforged/rereforged and one for classic, and, as we've seen at reforge launch (picrel), they simply can't make good looking classic units anymore which are faithful to the original art style. Either that, or make the new content exclusive to the newest set of graphics, like they've done with the campaign and in Diablo II. Which would mean disabling either the new race or the old graphics in ladder. It's a fucking mess and a travesty.
>>2487817I haven't had an issue with the new tilesets except this, it just looks terrible.
>>2487892>>2487737it's the lighting, they need to tweak the light source for each individual model to highlight it better, taking the original lighting and putting it as-is on higher poly models can only make things look bad
>>2487900Not really, it's the also the textures and models themselves. Look at DK in >>2487737, w3 was always obviously cartoony in a way, but the stronger units were (with exceptions) the more menacing they looked. DK looks like Squidward as some anon pointed out. Abomination might as well be a friendly misfit in a Pixar movie, even the reforged looked better. As far as the in-game models, yeah, you're mostly right. My biggest problems are with the buildings and the grass. They could even fucking keep the original tilesets, I don't know why they wouldn't. It's the biggest contributor to making the game look like clash royale
>>2487723That's exactly what they are trying to do and they are doing such a bad job with Warcraft III both on the result and the profits its almost comical
>>2487874lmao
>>2487723>>2487972wait didn't you guys complain about the death of rts games?
>>24879874chan users exist only to complain and be miserable, nothing is ever good enough for them.
>>2487987>>2487989you're posturing like you have a very astute point to make but you don't seem to actually have one, at least going by the content of your posts. can you explain what your point is supposed to be so people can respond to you
>>2487994
>>2487996proving him right, a curious approach
>>2487994I like WC3. If more content can be created for the game, I think that's a good thing, provided that it is of an acceptable level of quality. I think if you're upset at that premise then you're simply being upset for the sake of being upset. >>2487723 brought up AOE2 as an example which is strange because its model is very successful.
>>2488000
>>2488001how is that remotely related to either of the posts i quoted? why didn't you just act like a normal person and post this first?
>>2488013You replied to me asking "can you explain what your point is supposed to be so people can respond to you" and then I explained my position. >why didn't you just act like a normal person and post this first?I can't know what you'll ask of me in advance of you actually making a post
>>2488016>I can't know what you'll ask of me in advance of you actually making a postin general people would prefer it if you just post your position instead of some vague sanctimonious condemnation of the board. you really didn't know this in advance? you thought the way you posted would be the best approach?
>>2488017If you really think that then why didn't you include a few paragraphs of your full stance on this topic in your first post?
>>2488018because my first post was a question>>2487783why are you trying to come up with some gotcha to save face as if you don't know very well that you were being a blatant shitposter. just move on communicate with people like a normal person in the future
>>2488030>communicate with people like a normal person in the futuresir, you are on 4chan
>>2488030I made one snarky comment and then when asked I politely clarified my position, which was then never addressed even though it seems like that's what you were interested in in the first place. You're overreacting.
So what's the campaign like?
>>2488085It's not out yet, is it? From what I saw it seemed to be more hero focused than previous campaigns, with a custom menu with more equip slots, talents and a larger backpack, and an article mentioned being able to capture a tower that spawns allied controlled reinforcements on a map in a pseudo-MOBA style. Could be good, could be bad, I liked the Rexxar campaign and wouldn't mind more of the same but for a full price tag it better not be some half-assed maps when TFT gave us four full campaigns and roster expansions.
>>2487592>It's a prequel campaign pegged between RoC and TFT.No, Blizzard. I will not buy it.They only way I would buy a new WC3 campaign while stomaching the new graphics is if it were used to undo 20+ years of bullshit lore introduced during WoW.Take notes, Hindi-1B hire from Micro$oft reading this: RTS are on the rise and you would make a lot of cash with a proper Warcraft 4 right after TFT to set the record straight.
The issue with the new graphics is that they lack the high contrast and bold outlines that made the old units rapidly identifiable in fights, which is essential for an rts. It's like they don't understand graphic design at all.
>>2488096What? It's not a prequest to wow about how the undead joined the horde?
>>2487649you know you can play the original nobody is stopping you. its there. its available
>>2487987if rts is dead, this sort of thing is raping it's corpse.
>>2487763Power and control.
>>2488088>It's not out yet, is it?I saw people posting screenshots of the campaign
>Look how they massacred my boy!FUCK YOU BLIZZARD!I hate the Forsaken as well as the elves even more than before!
>>2487845> I think it doesn't even have base buildingReally?
>>2487768Oh fuck off, this is like the definition of bitching for the sake of bitching if you're actually defending the Reforged look. All people wanted from the start was "the WC3 look, but HD". Are we there yet? Not really but let's not pretend Reforged looking so offputting and at odds with the original artstyle wasn't 90% of people's problem with it.
>>2488268Honestly I'm just surprised they acknowledged his existence because not once did they ever do it in WoW.
>>2488398>or else it just looks like some weird cartoon toysSounds like you just hate the WC3 aesthetic because the characters looking like action figures was a huge part of its charm. But then, people whose main game they played every day wasn't WC3, fucking bitched endlessly any time a game had what they would call WC3 graphics (later WoW graphics)
>>2487848Correct, it was made by the team behind the Chronicles of the Second War mod
I don't know what to think of the hero equip system. I mean it's neat, and it's not like WC3 ever stopped us from making OP heroes before with shit like buying infinite tomes, but it feels like a lot of micro if you're using more than 1 hero
>>2488371>all people wantedWhat people faggot? I was there before Reforged was released and plenty of anons actually appreciated that Blizzard was seemingly trying to do a full remake rather than just lazily remastering stuff. What is this weird revisionism? Are you freaks so incapable of admitting one minor positive about Reforged that you have to go full contrarian retard?
>>2488408>one minor positive about ReforgedYou're asking me to claim as a positive the thing OVERWHELMINGLY viewed as a negative and used to mock the game to this day, and you're asking me to engage in revisionism?
>>2488268>His horse's skull attached to his left arm.C U T E
>>2488408>I was there before Reforged was released and plenty of anons actually appreciated that Blizzard was seemingly trying to do a full remake rather than just lazily remastering stuff.I think you have your timeline a little mixed up there. When Reforged was announced, it was 2018 and while Blizzard didn't have the "can do no wrong" reputation for a while at that point, there were nowhere near the "fuck anything they touch" reputation yet, and no one at announcement thought it was going it would be seriously fucked up considering>they lied to us on what Reforged was going to look like>SC Remaster was good so we didn't expect differentNo one thought it was a true remake except the completely bamboozled, people thought it was just a really high-effort remaster which again, it wasn't even that wasn't what we got, pic related. Yes, Reforged is hated for trying to force us to upgrade, killing custom games, always online, etc. But that's not what you find people on /v/ bitch about all the time, it's the shit aesthetic.
>>2487652>>2487723For once I genuinely have to ask, what is the problem with this? The AoE/AoM content is really good. 30 bucks is a bit much, I'll fully admit that, that's usually a whole season pass for AoMDE. But I don't have a problem with paying for more content if the content is good.
>>2488422>I do "bitch" when other games shamelessly copy it yes.See I was the opposite, when other RTS blatantly tried to look like WC3 like say War of the Ring did, I was glad other people actually recognized a good aesthetic when they saw it and not everything had to look like Command and Conquer.
>>2488422I've unironically fallen for the argument of "cruder graphics is better because it lets your imagination fill in the gaps", I'm fully bought in on that now because the alternative is endlessly chasing realism which dates graphics within a few years. There's a reason FFX graphically aged so quickly but KH1 didn't, cartoony designs just age slower and are more timeless.
The new style is much better but the unit portraits and animations are really bad. I don't think most of them are actually animated. The ghoul portrait looks so bad and doesn't move despite talking.
>>2488421>if the content is good.Different expectations: Age of Empires expansions always offers new factions to play in addition to new campaigns/scenarios, and their remaster jobs fuck-ups don't get nowhere near to the level that Warcraft III Reforged fuck up was, and to this day Blizz has not done enough to undo said fuckup, the new visuals are a somewhat nice step in the right direction, but holy shit that shouldn't be a paid feature. That new Microsoft CEO need to put more firecrackers on Blizz's ass, one was not enough.
>>2487872>malaysian sweatshop slave operation for penniesThe Malaysian sweatshop slaves are literally blameless. They even told Blizzard this artstyle fucking sucked and gave them proposals for one that was more in line with the original WC3, but Blizzard declined. Blizzard WANTED that Reforged look.Reforged was 100% on Blizzard itself.
>>2488463Not to mention that they also worked on Starcraft Remastered, which should had been the quality benchmark for such job.
>>2488421>For once I genuinely have to ask, what is the problem with this?Because they are trying to build on a broken foundation with Reforged when what they should have actually done is made a completely new Definitive Edition which isn't riddled with mistakes of the past.Also from what I've seen the new campaign is just Blizzard introducing World of Warcraft's cancerous lore into Warcraft 3 complete with Sylvanas wankery.
>>2487768>always online Good thing I can already pirate the original otherwise I'd be extremely mad about them The Crewing this.
>>2487987>So nu-blizzard is doing an awful job yet again?>wow shame on you for pointing it out you are killing the RTSYou are the worst kind of retard out there
>>2488613As >>2488420 shows, the current 'artists' have no idea nor the producers who greenlit such garbage. We lost the technology, as in there is no one passing down good practices or lessons on how and why to do certain choices so its all headless chickens trying to poorly mimic what it was without understanding how or why
>>2488613It bears a striking color palette resemblance to the W1 and W2 remasters, I think for some unfathomable reason they though W3 should get uniform treatment and make the artstyle in line with the other remasters. I hate women and brown people in charge of these decisions and I wish they were gone from this industry, permanently
>>2488421good content is subjective. If you believe in the year of our lord 2026 nu-Blizzard can deliver good content on par with what TFT was for RoC, or what the community has been putting all these years, more power to you.But just for reference, the new campaign, which is already out, uses the retconned version of he Scarlet Crusade origins. What guarantees do we have that they won't push Shadowlands stuff into the game (Jailor bs and all that), or their new anti-Warcraft agenda?
>>2488421>what is the problem with this?There is no problem if the content was good, AoE shows this clearly. The problem is Warcraft keeps getting shit on by remakes that are actually downgrades
>>2488706You think theyre going to make an actual rts campaign? I dont want to play a horde tft campaign or your usual hiveworkshop no build campaigns
i want to get into the pvp of this game as night elf but i've never played rts games before, how should i go about learning the game? i already played the campaigns but didn't really "get" the game ya know
>>2487592>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NHhFC87TeI>check the comments>people love ithuh
>>2488772>look up build orders made by better players>practice them>???>profit
>>2488749I really liked the Rexxar campaign so I don't mind but $50 (you also have to buy deforged if you don't have it) for what I've seen seems too steep. It's even partially made by fan modders so it seems like you're just paying for a well-made Hiveworkshop custom campaign that Blizzard provided some voice acting and cinematics for. I'd still easily buy it just to try it if that fucking insult that is reforged wasn't a requirement.
>>2487737The faces have fuck all animation, mostly just their lips moving. Old WC3 portraits were much more active :/
Did anyone even actually play the new campaign? I heard that it's almost exclusively no-build missions which sounds fucking atrocious, is this true? That + being forced to buy Reforged is well enough to keep me away
>>2488850I haven't played it, but I've read some user posts about it and yes, it is entirely no-build missions. I think in one of them you have a ship you can repair or upgrade and train units from, but I think it's just food costs. I think there might be two campaigns though, one Rexxar style where you play as humans and then a Forsaken one, presumably centered around Sylvanas?
>>2488850I played it. Both are like the TFT orc campaign mostly. Kinda shit as I actually like building bases in missions.
>>2488850What the fuck were they thinking bros... It's been over 20 years and they can't be arsed to design an actual RTS campaign?Imagine paying 30 bucks *just* for Rexxar's campaign
>>2488897They didn't want to commit to making a new race.
>>2488897>What the fuck were they thinking bros... It's been over 20 years and they can't be arsed to design an actual RTS campaign?They didn't really design this one either
>>2488897Also some units have no dialogue when you click them in it
>>2488908>While I think the Rexxar campaign was great, as a side thingI always thought it's more of a proto-world of warcraft proof of concept demo than an actual campaign
>>2488297>Dies of gAIDSAlways funny
>>2488910What even are Blizzard making anymore? I'm presuming WoW, but I haven't kept up with that since 2010
>>2488374Because some who worked independently on Warcraft 3 projects are currently working on Blizzard, so they put him there so he wouldn't be forgotten, even though I don't like him at all. Better to leave him dead. Still, it's good that there's always an alternative to that. Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DghGagr3udA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8uAd6Z4WpA
>>2488850I did the prologue, it's 4 missions with one of them being a strange pseudo-build (you get workers, collect resources and can build buildings, but the tech tree is weird and you unlock new units by securing points on the map), and even then the 2nd part of that level is still a no-build. Lots of WoW fan service with a bunch of vanilla WoW glup shittos showing up. Honestly not terrible though so far
>>2488897>Imagine paying 30 bucks *just* for Rexxar's campaignFunnily enough Rexxar campaign was released for free back in the day.
God the new DE designs suck ass. It's like they just used AI to translate the original low-poly designs into more "modern" ones ignoring that half the charm of the old designs came FROM the fact that they were low-poly. Even Reforged designs are better than this shit since at least they were handcrafted from scratch. How the fuck did Heroes of the Storm of all things have the best updated WC unit models?
>>2489095>ignoring that half the charm of the old designs came FROM the fact that they were low-polyI'm old as hell and I hated the models when w3 launched and they never grew on me. I was pissed they chose Warcraft to get their feet wet with 3d. The models looked like shit then, and they still look like shit now. I'll never get why people think they look good, even with nostalgia. They're objectively bad, even for the time. The models weren't made for charm, they were ps1 levels of polys because no computer at the time could handle a bunch of units on the screen at once. Having said all that the new models are merely ok, but certainly an improvement. But nothing is going to help unit clarity I'm this game.
Is the 24 unit control group retroactive to the old campaigns too?
>>2489123the 24 unit control applies to everything including pvp
holy fuck how long is the first level in the forsaken campaign
>>2489068Rexxar's campaign was the Orc campaign you paid for when you bought TFT, it was just incomplete at launch. AFAIK it shipped with only Act 1 complete and then later patches added Act 2&3 to finish the campaign.
>>2489138Frozen Throne wasn't going to have an Orc campaign at first because of time constraints, so some devs decided to make the Rexxar campaign as something extra. That's why it's called a "bonus campaign".
>>2489123>>2489131Unironically might be the only good thing they did. Too bad it took them 20 years to implement and they bricked all the custom maps who might have used it in the process.
>>2489068Yes captain obvious that was the entire point of this statement.
>>2488420>killing custom gameswhat does this mean? i played thousand of custom games since reforged
>>2488850>a fucking kart racer mission.
>>2489269Reforged broke most old custom games on launch and due to how fucking buggy it was things just remained shit for years. Anything still actively developed/maintained is now fully playable and the client is far less unstable, but good luck trying to play any map from 2015 or older.
>>2488900yeah delivering an inferior product is much easier
I will pirate this if it gets crackedOr buy if it gets decoupled from reforgedBut I will never, ever, ever, EVER pay for that dogshit reforged. Not even if they make 100 godlike campaigns. I simply could not bring myself to cross that line.
>>2489908kys blizzdrone
lolThey censored Whitemane's thighs. The feminists and nu-males at Blizzard couldn't hold themselves and struck again. We should count our blessings that they even included her in the first place...Also what the fuck is with her face? And why is Mograine a manlet when he has consistently been shown to be a lot taller than her.Anyone who's not pirating this is a tool.
>>2489982where did you get it? I can't find a crack
>>2489982Why is that dude Canadian?
>>2489177>Introduce one quality of life fix after decades>Breaks half of the custom maps yet again, removes LAN, makes the entire game mandatory always online1 step forward 10 steps backward
>>2489982>Anyone who's not pirating this is a tool.pretty sure pirating this will be impossible much like starcraft remastered
Do you get an int hero during the campaign?One of the wolves in act 1 dropped a staff of jordan for me
>>2490221Kekeke u giv soj ^_________________^
>>2490221There's the cleric you get.
>>2490254oh good, game is showering me in int gear now
Well I beat it, thought it was pretty good but as others said, not a fan of how many nobuild missions it had. It's not like the level design is bad or anything, but nobuild stuff in WC3 was relatively rare, usually a once a campaign thing, but it gets treated like it should be half the missions now.Also Anya a qt
>>2490852How did it measure up to the Rexxar campaign? I assume there were more maps but they were smaller and more linear?
now that wow forever is retconning the story, you guys think they'll make new w3 expansions to tie in with whatever current story that mmo has? would be really neat ngl
>>2489982i'm a tool for not playing this garbage?k
thought about buying reslopped for this, but there is no way in hell I'm paying $60 for both reslopped and a fucking RPG style campaignthey are out of their mind with this pricing
>>2491455Wow Vanilla lore sucks too
Playing it right now, am I ass or is it really fucking hard? The guy in the throne room and the guy in the sewers with the extra spawns are both kicking my fucking ass. The abomination was easy and most of the standard encounters are too though
>>2491612I haven't played it but someone said the RNG nature of the drops can make or break your character, if you get a great item then you'll start breezing through combat.
>>2487737>>2487738>>2487739Classic still mogs the other 2.
>>2491656yeah this looks like a mobile gameit's not awful but it is no where near as timeless as classicthe icons are the worst that new ghoul is really distracting to mewhat gets me is they made a classic forsaken paladin so clearly they are capable of replicating the old style they just don't want toi'm happy overall though the new hero is good
>>2491680>i'm happy overall though the new hero is goodit's too good, his 1 skill does 3 different things which is not the case for pretty much any other hero in the gameI understand that he was made to counter the #1 undead player in the world but come on, there is no reason for the charge thing to also slow down hit enemies. And the AoE heal to also damage all undead. It's like the human paladin but 9000x better and more efficient, why would you ever get human paladin if the forsaken paladin does everything he does but better?
>>2491691i agree he is kinda overtuned but it could have been a lot worseundead have to snipe him with frost nova + coil, since he can't heal himself, but he's also pretty tanky>why would you ever get human paladin if the forsaken paladin does everything he does but better?i agreehis charge needs a longer cd, his aoe needs to heal less, and his aura is basically 2 auras in 1i haven't even seen his ult>his 1 skill does 3 different things all his skills are like 2 skills in 1i don't think it would be good to make them 2 bad skills in 1 they should just commit to what they areis his charge a nuke or control spell? is his aoe for healing or killing ghoul rush? is his aura to counter undead hero nuke or is it for healing buff?
>>2491704>i don't think it would be good to make them 2 bad skills in 1 they should just commit to what they areyeah pretty muchtake away the slow debuff on chargetake away undead damage on aoe healtake away healing buff aura, leave just magic damage reduction which is great alone and serves its primary anti-nuking purposeand the ult is fucking ridiculous>Removes debuffs from friendly units and buffs from enemy units, friendly units healed for 125HP, gain 25% bonus damage for 25 seconds. For each debuff removed, unit heals additional 50HP and gains additional 15% bonus to damage. Enemy units stunned for 3 seconds. that's insane. I'd leave >consuming debuffs from friendly units>stunning enemy units for 3 seconds>friendly units gain 25% bonus damage for 25 secondsit would be ult-tier scroll of the beast without making him a fucking dota hero
>>2487737Classic >>> Reforged > DemasteredThe new graphics somehow combine the worst aspects of both
>>2491455If they do more it'll just be filler to explain why things are the way they are in WoWex. rebuilding Stormwind, Night Elves planting Teldrassil, gnomes chernobyling themselves, maybe something involving Blackrock Mountain
>>2491704>undead have to snipe him with frost nova + coilUndead can't coil him since he's undead. He's pretty difficult to snipe with that and the resistance aura + human and night elf being able to just staff him out
>>2487592>cool new warcraft 3 content>look inside it is dindu nuffin forsaken In to the trás it goes
Now that i finished the campaign i would say it was worth 30 shekels. It feels closer to the Warcraft 3 feeling than what modern Blizzard does with WoW nowdays. While it would have been nice to have a classic base building campaign the juiced up Rexxar RPG mode is fun. The story is fine it just the WC3 amount of cheesy fantasy. Hopefully it did well in numbers and Brad CHAD and team gets the greenlight for a real RTS mission pack next.
>>2487592What the fuck? Why?
So, has anyone played the new campaign? The new graphics looks ok, and I think I might finally play Reforged.
>>2491896Are the RPG mechanics fleshed out enough to make them interesting or are they just "search bigger number" for everything?
>>2492056look up the gameplay on youtube or something, its number go up but also various % modifiers and effectsbasically WoW-lite itemization, youre not restricted to 6 slots, you equip various stuff like in WoW
>>2491691>I understand that he was made to counter the #1 undead player in the worldThat's #1 player in the world, period.Haven't seen anyone actually beat him with the FP.
>>2491838>ex. rebuilding Stormwind, Night Elves planting Teldrassil, gnomes chernobyling themselves, maybe something involving Blackrock MountainIt'll have to at least use the base wc3 factions for the player, and there just isn't enough gnome shit for them to ever cover that. Same reason we can't get like a "summoning of Ragnaros" campaign - there's not enough standard dwarf assets.That said, something involving humans is definitely next. The southern EK is the biggest lore black hole between WC2 and WoW. The only issue is that it's not super clear what the content would be. Even if it was made up just for the expansion it's perfectly believable that Kel'thuzad would've launched a massive attack on the Forsaken to wipe them out after TFT. Hell, people have been asking why they didn't do that since 2004 - it's the easiest retcon pill to swallow WoW has ever had. But what could reasonably be happening around Stormwind is pretty smalltime.
>>2492102it all depends how well this sellsblizzard can make new assets they don't want to but they can if the money is there
Is this really hard or impossible to crack? i just want to play the new campaign
>>2492094>That's #1 player in the world, period.and competitively he plays exclusively undead, so he's #1 undead player in the world, period.
>>2492151with the newest patch you can no longer play wc3 offline at all, you need to be connected to blizzard servers at all times. I doubt anyone in the cracking scene will bother trying to sidestep this
>>2492168>you can no longer play wc3 offline at all, you need to be connected to blizzard servers at all timeslol is this a joke?
>>2492186no it's our current realityyou can only play legacy wc3 offline
For some reason, all of my save files are like this. Characters missing, assets not even loading, I can't select anything. I have no idea what happened.
So is the new campaign actually any good?
>>2492319It's passable. You play as PotentialMan™ and get to engage with "lore." It's only worth it if you want to join the discourse or see if nuBlizz has learned any proper lessons from oldBlizz.
>>2492320idk what you'd learn there since they contracted it out
possibly that they know they don't have any talent left internally
>you can literally see the secret sasquatch society from the pandaren meditation poolshow lazy
>>2492320Ijust have nostalgia for undead
>>2492168>>2492186>lose internet for 1 second>campaign savefile gets corruptedfucking annoying as fuck
>>2492556liar, I have unstable connection and I lost nothing, and the game didn't even freeze
>>2492568it's really happening to me though>get message saying I'm not logged into Battle.net and progress won't save>try changing zones>end up in an "undefined" campaign level or just crash with an error>have to restart the entire game because save files refuse to load>finally load back in, get the exact same error even though I'm logged>have to repeat this loop multiple times until it randomly decides to work, only to start again the next time I get disconectedI just want to play the campaign in peace
>>2492581maybe it's not 1 second then. Even in brood war there's a connection grace period before dropping
>>2492136This campaign is already stocked full of unique assets so I really don't imagine were too terribly limited in what they can adapt.
>>2492602There is absolutely no reason why a single-player game must be phoning home. It’s completely unnecessary, arbitrary, and malicious.
>>2492707It prevents piracy and maximizes sales, goy.
>>2492712holy goy
>>2492707>why a single-player gamewarcraft 3 is not a single player game, it has robust multiplayer features
>>2493587This. Everyone knows the new campaign has robust multiplayer features, such as.. umm
>>2493622It would actually be awesome if there was a co-op campaign.I'm buying Spellforce 3 for the co-op campaign right now, actually.Warcraft 3 also had an awesome 2-player campaign mod of RoC and WC3 from a few years ago.
>>2493622warcraft 3 is not just the campaign though so your argument doesn't work
>>2493587>>2493665Up until reforged WC3 was always a single player game that could be launched and played offline, you only had to connect to bnet if you wanted to play online. That was the original functionality for the game for over one and a half decades.
>>2493665>warcraft 3 is not just the campaign though so your argument doesn't workThe context of this discussion is “I can’t play single player offlinewithout the game phoning home and breaking”, not “I can’t play multiplayer without being on the internet”. I understand that this is a subtle distinction that may be difficult for you to grasp.
>>2493665The game has no business connecting online until you click on the BNet button.It worked like this for over two decades.
>>2493725No, the context of this discussion is that first we were talking about the game as a whole and now you have moved the goalpost to single player campaign only. I agree that Blizzard is being extremely jewish and unreasonable about this btw but they are jews and are entitled to fucking their customers over.If people didn't buy Forsaken Kingdom but at the same time said that they would if the phoning home requirement was dropped, maybe, just maybe there would be a sliver of a chance they would roll it back. But people paid $30 for this campaign en masse to "support future products" and accepted the phoning home without question. Such is the world we live in.
what is the best version of wc3 to download to enjoy most hive-workshop custom campaigns?
>>2493766reforged
>>24937661.27 or 1.29. You can in fact download a "legacy" 1.29 version directly from battle.net these days, doesn't come bloated with reforged stuff and you don't need to boot it through bnet
>>2489138Frozen Throne commercial stated 3 campaigns. Box says 26 missions which is either 1-3 short or 1 too many depending on what you count as missions. So no, by any honest definition Rexxar campaign was a free patch. To deny it is to be like one of the people that claim Arthas fucked up instead of Uther when it comes to the culling and northrend.
>>2490115Remaster has been "cracked" 8 months post release and properly cracked in both 2022 and 2023, all 3 different groups so...
>>2493995The Rexxar campaign was actually a lot higher effort than earlier campaigns.t. map maker
>>2493995Arthas did fuck up when it came to northrend, he shouldn't have gone there at all. There was no real reason to, besides petty personal revenge.
>>2494024Patchworking with scripts, yes, but map design, writing and missions side, even Grom harvesting lumber beats 2/3rd of it (arguably all of it except for the final siege and the dustwallow caves). Thus why it was a free update.>>2494040Even that depends. Manual cleanly states alliance settlements existed and that LK plagued them over and the probability of shit going sideways if dreadlords were left to do their thing rises exponentially since they could re-launch the plague at any point and its the burning legion. Going there solo without the full army can be counted as petty revenge, but can you honestly blame him after Jaina and Uther ran away just to wait nearby for a few days to check in on the leftovers of stratholme before actually leaving?
>>2494135NTA but I want to point out the manual doesn't matter. It was written by level designers and other people making unrelated stuff up, like unicorns. They tried to put into lore things that are obviously just gameplay elements, like altars reviving "heroes".
>>2493758Idiot, read the reply chain:>>>>>>>>>>>>Is this really hard or impossible to crack? i just want to play the new campaign>>>>>>>>>>>with the newest patch you can no longer play wc3 offline at all, you need to be connected to blizzard servers at all times>>>>>>>>>>lose internet for 1 second, campaign savefile gets corrupted>>>>>>>>>liar, I have unstable connection and I lost nothing, and the game didn't even freeze>>>>>>>>I just want to play the campaign in peace>>>>>>>maybe it's not 1 second then. Even in brood war there's a connection grace period before dropping>>>>>>There is absolutely no reason why a single-player game must be phoning home. It’s completely unnecessary, arbitrary, and malicious.>>>>>warcraft 3 is not a single player game, it has robust multiplayer features>>>>This. Everyone knows the new campaign has robust multiplayer features, such as.. umm>>>warcraft 3 is not just the campaign though so your argument doesn't work>>The context of this discussion is “I can’t play single player offlinewithout the game phoning home and breaking”, not “I can’t play multiplayer without being on the internet”. I understand that this is a subtle distinction that may be difficult for you to grasp.>No, the context of this discussion is that first we were talking about the game as a whole and now you have moved the goalpost to single player campaign only.Contemplate your foolishness.
>>2494158I'm too employed for this and concede
Any map makers lurking? What have you been working on? Have you ever published your stuff?
>>2487592is there a version with the new graphics? i dont like this old graphics with higher texture thing they're doing
>>2488001>provided that it is of an acceptable level of qualitythis isn't acceptable
>>2496529why?
>>2496529Why not?
>>2496529por que no es aceptable
I havent touch a traditional RTS for a while, let alone WC3. 2 questions: does this new expansion turn the base game into a more RPG-esque campaign? Also is it fun?
>>2496937>does this new expansion turn the base game into a more RPG-esque campaign?No, it does not touch the base game or any other campaign, the RPG-style mechanics are exclusive to that specific campaign. All the graphics settings aside I think the only gameplay changes that made it through to the ladder base game is a new neutral tavern hero (Forsaken Paladin) and they increased the unit selection cap from 12 to 24. >Also is it fun?I haven't played it but I thoroughly enjoyed the Rexxar campaign which was done in a similar style.
>>2496937yes it is very rpg
>>2487592It's the most retarded thing to exist in WC3 and I genuinely wish Blizzfaggots would not have done that. It is so abhorrently shit, that it retroactively takes away from WC3 base as well.I'm hanging in there because I thought there would be a good story. There is not. Just a fucking MMO grind in the most boring way imaginable.Do you like drab and retarded sewer levels in game? No? Well fuck you, the entire campaign is a sewer level. Anya is a faggot, and the other guy whose name I already forgot because he is so boring and retarded, is an equally great faggot.If Blizztard just stitched together 5 or 6 skirmish maps where you build a base and the only objective is "destroy all enemy buildings lol" 6 times in a row, or even 20 times in a row, the expansion would be one million times more enjoyable.I'm done with those amoebas raping RTS players. I still haven't forgiven them for doing WoW instead of Warcraft 4 back then, but now they returned to WC3 just to shit on it some more and turn it into an onboarding-system for WoW.I legit hope everyone involved in the making of this campaign gets non-lethal ass-cancer. Just bad enough to make them suffer.
>>2498067thanks for funding another rpg campaign, anon
>>2496983Rexxar's campaign is actually fun. For the most part.The new one is atrocious.
>>2498067>If Blizztard just stitched together 5 or 6 skirmish maps where you build a base and the only objective is "destroy all enemy buildings lol" 6 times in a row, or even 20 times in a row, the expansion would be one million times more enjoyable.qft
>>2496983>I thoroughly enjoyed the Rexxar campaign which was done in a similar style.i always thought it was the weakest part of tft (and not for a lack of effort) desu
>>2488128Didn't they remove it from the launcher?
>>2498086It is the weakest part of tft, but compared to nuWC it's a masterpiece.
>>2498111low bar
If I understand this thread correctly, I should get the originalNot reforged
>>2498086I really like RPG style maps so it was interesting to see Blizzard do one, plus the map transition style was neat. I don't think I've seen it done more than a handful times by players.
>>2498067hero rpg system in warcraft 3 was mistake!>>2498082>picrelgood old days...
finally, dynamic potraitshttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/6W_O4yHMN8w
>>2498067you can just play skirmishwhile i would have liked a little more base building, particularly as the campaign ramps up, i think that what we got is good and perfectly fine for telling a focused narrativethere is too much time spent not actually telling a story with quests about collecting bear asses but on the whole it's fineit wouldn't be improved by making you spend 10 minutes every 20 to build a base and train a deathball so you could roll over the setpieces instead of just walking through with your heroes
>>2498171there is no way to get the original separately from reforged anymorethey accepted original CD-keys to be bound to your battle net account, and you'd get access to the updated client without reforged graphicsnow that's gone, to play legacy WC3 you need to buy reforged, or stay offline forever on your pirated/disc copy (not that it would be a bad thing, but the newest patch added 24-unit selection and you can zoom out to see more of the game viewport at all times. Imo extremely good QoL features)
>>2498263SoShould I get reforged?
>>2498289you should make your own decisions
>>2498289You cannot not get Reforged if you want to buy WC3. If you already own WC3 and don't want the Reforged graphics then you obviously don't get Reforged.
>>2498092They added a 1.29 legacy version in the launcher, you can just download it and boot it up offline without battle.net like the pre-reforged days
Is the new campaign worth buying Reforged+Forsaken if I liked the Rexxar campaign? I've been replaying the TFT campaigns and I'm almost done with the undead one so I'm itching for some more stuff. Many custom campaigns just fall flat unfortunately.
>>2492202>you can only play legacy wc3 offlineGood enough.
>>2499402No. It's overpriced yet it's worse than the OutsiderXE custom campaigns
>>2499526Nice I'll give this one a go
>>2499529I much prefer RTS but I enjoyed it anyway
>>2499540I just played through the three TFT campaigns so a more RPG style campaign (or ORPG, but there are very few good ORPGs that are single player friendly) is what I'm after right now. Might replay the Rexxar campaign too but IIRC it falls off a bit in the third act.
>>2499541I know there's at least one mod for Rexxar's campaign that gives you more RPG customization
>>2499552Yeah, I've played both that one, it's like a minor enhancement of the base campaign with some new areas and content. I'd love to make one of these campaigns myself but AFAIK they're relatively complex in terms of the sheer quantity of triggers and I'm not a very experienced mapper, I'd get stuck just doing the terrain. I was thinking of doing some non-canon stuff where a paladin apprentice returning home after his order was destroyed or similar, he then ends up liberating a small hamlet from bandits and ends up as its protector so you have a hub to return to and potentially upgrade between doing quests. As for a second companion I thought about a dwarven hunter/brewmaster out and about looking for ingredients for his next project. Would be cool to have choices included that impact gameplay, like a holy vs retribution counter, e.g if you defeat a specific bandit he'll plead for his life, if you use holy light or and item to heal him you'll get good guy points (which will boost your support abilities) and if you rid the lands of that cretin you'll get angry guy points which will boost your damaging abilities. I dunno, very easy to be an ideas guy without any work to show for it.
>>2489999Explains why the scarlet crusade never wins
>get revive as undead>immediately get a government mandated undead elf gfSylvanas has my loyalty now
>>2489999he's not brown though
>>2500266Must be Quebecois
>middle of act 2 of forsaken kingdom>all the crashes and softlocks make it so unplayable that it's taking me weeks to complete>open battle.net>finally get a new patch and it gets installed automatically>"nice, maybe they've fixed all the bugs">can't load previous campaign save files if they were made on previous patcheswho the fuck updates a game like this?
These blizz fucks got me. I bought reforged and am playing it now to get ready for WoW Forever. I never beat it originally and typically stopped at the undead campaign. It sure does have a lot of charm that's for sure. When WC3 came out I was in middle school and I'm 35 now. Too bad I'm still retarded and suck at micromanaging in RTS games. Give me my turn based Civ 4 and MMO2. Fuck.
>>2501658I barely beat it as a kid, coming back at 30 I held Archimonde at the first base and killed him with hippogrpyh archers on veteran mode.
>>2502233How do you hold Archimonde at human base? I tried moving all my crap there / building towers but they eventually get overrun.
>>2502233Nvm i checked and WC3 Reforhed nerfed the shit out of the waves hard!
>>2502384you can clear the undead base if you really want to, classic wc3. don't think i've used any particular trick, but it's been a while.
Any cool custom single player campaigns set in Northrend you guys would recommend?
>>2502395I was trying to push him a little with the hippogryphs, I'm sure it could be done by a better player. I was more pointing out the contrast that I barely did it as a kid and easily held the first base on veteran when I replayed on reforged.
>>2487592>reforgeddropped.i will keep playing the Castle Fight custom map in the original real WC3.
>>2499541>replay the Rexxar campaign too but IIRC it falls off a bit in the third act.i beat Act 1 recently and it felt like one big fetch quest of sorts. crashed my potatoe laptop a few time and i don't know why. previously straight to Act 2 and 3 because Act 1 was boring IIRC.endgame bossfight for Act 3 was basically prototype DOTA which is not bad. but not as good as DOTA. not that i love DOTA.
>>2506372>previously went straight to Act 2 and 3 because Act 1 was boring IIRC.
>>2501305i mean some fanpatches for other non-/vst/ games did that to me too.
This is making me want to play WC3 again, but my PC doesn’t even have a disc drive anymore…
>>2506372I like act 1 because it feels the most like an open world and it has more polish and detail to it. Act 2 is also nice because it retains the open world (but questing becomes more linear) and it also ramps up the difficulty but the part where you start fighting the humans and naga for no real reward (just becomes more of an issue in act 3) makes it feel very unsatisfying in comparison because it's more linear and hero progression slows down or halts completely.>>2506379If you own it on battle.net you can download a 1.29 legacy version, it does everything you want it to (boots without CD, without battle net, doesn't require additional reforged files etc, just a good version if you want a pre-reforged version of the game). I'm not sure if you can register old CD keys these days though.
>>2506379for me, my cousin installed it along with Frozen Throne on my old dead XP rig,and i copied all the installed files wholesale over to my toaster laptop and it mostly works with some hiccups in compatibility mode? that version already had the noCD patch installed from battlenet 1 generation ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM25BUOP7YA
Is this game ever going to go on sale again holy shit
>>2512802blizzcon was a month ago or something, too soonimo they won't even do a christmas sale
Does anyone know how long the disconnection countdown message was in the original games? (when someone loses connection in multiplayer and everyone has to sit around and wait for the countdown)
>>2506487Pretty sure my Battle.net account is long, long gone.
>>2512802They were selling their whole RTS lineup in a $30 bundle before blizzcon
>>251299145 seconds
>>2513051Why would they ever delete it?
Switching from laddering as Undead to Night elf is like taking a dump while on an antidiarrhoeal vs a laxative.
