Are we ready to acknowledge that ERAM probably looks like Child Kris?
You niggers are miserableI'm gonna endure the nine month WAIT by reading H*mest*ck instead
What are the implications of this? Seriously i don't know.
>>4137450Netskie Aqua is a parallel to Vessel (who is a copy of Kris)
>>4137450What are you saying? It's just a random collection of screenshots with foxes, tails, three, and whatever else.
>>4137401Reading this post, what the fuck is even the qualifier for "something happening in the story" to the average schizo who complains about pacing?
>>4137455The main story advancing. The only story events that occurred so far are people getting kidnapped and Susie collecting shelter codes.
FwugRadiation raped me.
>>4137458What is even the main story to you?
>>4137450I KNEW IT, I KNEW I SHOULDNT HAVE TRUSTED THOSE DAMN FOXES!
>>4137455Fuck off samefag. No one is interested.
>>4137460Whatever it is the knight is doing in the shelter. I don't know what it is because the game doesn't tell us.
>>4137465My bad, i forgot that the main protagonist of the game is the Roaring Knight and we have to know what they're doing at all times.
>>4137445Yes. I want more lolis in the game. Make Eram into another Aqua, please.
>>4137450It's advanced schizophrenia.
God, I hate the main cast so much.
>>4137455Stay here, chad. Everyone is interested.
>>4137477>>4137478Nice boobs Whoriel
So why the fuck cut Chapter 1 intro is basically Kris waking up after a Game Over screen?https://youtu.be/SXeftLB9UTo?t=14https://youtu.be/S1ssA35BOAk?t=86
>>4137473Lolidommed by Kris ToT
>>4137478What a happy family!
>>4137485probably something to do with why you save over kris's save file on the first playthrough
if deltarune chapters 6 - 7 stick the landing it will be my favorite story ever
>>4137485>>4137490>can't even complain about SOUL fuckery because you literally can't do it on your ownGrim.
>>4137485Time loop after the final tragedy.
>>4137449Is the POV supposed to be ERAM or the Knight?
>>4137492>if
>>4137477>>4137478Sauce?
>>4137486Cute lovers
>>4137459FuckRadiation fucked me through wi-fi waves
>>4137492Unfortunately for us the pilot is a DEI hire
>>4137468Go back to working on your game Toby
>>4137518Toby is based and completely correct???
Ugly bastard ralsei
The silly smiler
>>4137530
The wr Noelle sprite two posts above is so cute and silly to me for some reason she looks so silly
Chance of a newsletter this month? No news on UT's 11th is killing me with all this WAITing.
>>41375360
>>4137536I am of two views when it comes to this. On one hand, I do agree that it makes sense to not expect a newsletter, it is clear Toby is being secretive when it comes to chapter 6, it's likely that there isn't much to show in a newsletter until the chapter is mostly complete and development reaches the post-production period, which is unlikely to happen in October, or this year at all for that matter.On the other hand, the Steam page says this in the FAQ section>Then when's Chapter 6?>We are aiming for a 2027 release! Meanwhile, we will be periodically releasing information on the development progress of the game.This message combined with the seasonal newsletters that have been consistently released throughout the years has created an expectation that more newsletters will be released periodically, and I do not think anybody can be blamed for holding such an expectation, failing to fulfill such expectations is entirely on Toby's hands, and not the consumers for having expectations that could not be met. Toby created this problem, and he did not even have the foresight of making an announcement that newsletters might be slowing down for the aforementioned reasons.
>>4137512https://x.com/kenzensanta/status/2113568697822634141
>>4137535No! You are supposed to find her super creepy and psychotic! You just forced Kris's childhood crush to have a mental breakdown, and you should feel bad about it!
>>4137545I'll admit, the lake sequence was pretty badass though. The clipped, dissonant sounding "flashback" soundtrack which conveyed a haunting sense of melancholy, only to break into heavy guitar, man that was really tough. Tricky Tobuscus Radiation Foxington the third is an auteur, verily so by the haunting intonations and composition of chapter 5's demonic "lake skip" sequence
>>4137536Hopefully, but at the same time I don't know what Toby can even say in it outside of more merch and shilling the museum.
>>4137544Thanks
>>4137557Kicking this little girl into orbit.
>>4137558I'm fine with percentage estimates, progress on the rooms he's done without getting into specifics, and other metrics without directly mentioning what's in the chapter or sharing a cropped screenshot. I mean, he's ballsy enough to post percentage updates on Chapter 7B after all, even if he went out of his way to initially hide that only for Thank You survey participants.
>"Straightening"Lmao
>>4137594>Twisted Sword makes you gay on contact
This is my dream and ideal world.
>>4137602Your ideal world sucks
>>4137608Sorry... is this more to your liking?
>>4137610Unironically yesThis fanbase is full of cucks because the dev is a cuck too
>>4137602>Twisted route cope
Ariel returns from college but he's a sweaty white nerd who wears Nintendo merchandise and cries to 4 hour long video essays about inane shit like "transgender music and the desire to exist"
>>4137610I'm more of a KresselGOD.Also the Twisted Route isn't real.
>>4137622I wonder if Asriel is happy outside of Hometown. Maybe the humans outside of Hometown are not too kind to monsters.It would be funny if he comes back a complete loser.
>>4137610A mentally ill dyke drew this.
My controversial opinion is that Aqua's sprite itself looks weird. Probably simplified so she can move so much.
>>4137632So toby's main benefactors
>>4137632I doubt it. The focus of the drawing is obviously Kris and their loneliness, while dykes usually draw Kris indifferent, happy, or supportive of Suselle.
Deltarune gets banned in the USA
>>4137654Why would this happen? Because it's "attacking" our precious resources, generic JRPGs?
>>4137632Nah that artist doesn't seem to be gay at all.
>>4137667Based
>>4137667I wonder if there were people like you when The Last Jedi came out, talking just like you?
>>4137610Toby... I KNEEL...
>>4137632Mentally ill dykes are what makes up the majority of Kriselle fans though.
>>4137684I thought that was the deltachuds
>>4137686They think they are but they aren't.
>>4137683>HasselnutI just played this guy's game.
Deltachuds will be the only holdouts when it's all said and done
>>4137683>reposted from the blacked furry thread on /trash/I know what you are
>>4137694Nevermind where he got it from for a bit, how do YOU know where it's from?
>>4137680TLJ was a shit movie regardless of how it treated the rest of Star Wars.Deltarune is not only not an attack on any other games, it's not a shit game either.
>>4137694https://arch.b4k.dev/_/search/image/2lOMC5rdRU-P7ahN3uPX8g/Stop lying.
>>4137703>posts an archive that doesn't cover /trash/
>>4137704I didn't post this image on /trash/.
>>4137707yeah, you reposted it. duh.
>>4137709I'm the one who originally took that screenshot and posted it on /v/. Here, look, if I search for the same hashes, it doesn't find anything.https://desuarchive.org/_/search/image/2lOMC5rdRU-P7ahN3uPX8g/
>>4137702>portray Luke Skywalker,cinema icon, as a hobo drunkard to make way for their new shiny female heroGee, I sure wonder if this was done with malicious intent or not.
>>4137713Yeah, that was done with obvious malicious intent. Nothing in Deltarune has a tenth that kind of malice. And even aside from that, again, TLJ would be shit anyway.
>>4137712I don't think that anon is accusing you of originally posting it on trash but that the image has been posted on trash, and maybe reposted from there by people. Hilarious way to self-report though.
>>4137713Rian Johnson RAPED you.
>>4137715Somehow I don't think the "I'm tired of traditional rpgs" guy comes with good intentionsLet's take a look, shall we?>make pacifist gameplay mandatory for one of the final area bosses, with more of this pussyfooting to come>remove the battle dojo, making recruiting monsters useless>make whole main character dedicated to making stats worthless, therefore removing any purpose to any battles>punish your player with filler dungeon for trying to progress the story>force homosexual relationship into main story and force the player to support it and actively participate in making it happen>make the mcguffins just a wild goose chase that doesn't matter to distract some retarded character without a single consideration for the player's experience
I hope Toby keeps on destroying JRPGs.
>>4137725Yeah, none of this looks like malice towards how JRPGs normally work, nothing like TLJ towards Star Wars. Some of it didn't even actually happen and is just your schizo hallucinations.
>>4137728All of this happened in ch5
>>4137731Ch5 did not demand you support anything nor was its main gameplay segment a punishment for anything.The rest of these don't show malice towards JRPGs.
Disney nowadays: ha ha. Guys. Remember le traditional cliche fairytale from 300 years ago? Well, what if the knight was EVIL and le princess was hecking EVIL and le dragon was the good guy? Oh my zomg so subversive!!!!! Ha ha... Didn't see that coming, huh normies?
>>4137725Never attribute malice to what could just as easily be incompetence
>>4137736Is this really how you people see Deltarune?That's sad.
>>4137736Name five disney movies
>>4137734Is that so?Why did ralsei demand i support suselle? Why did berdly lilt over and do the same? Why do the flowers bring it up unprompted?Why exactly did the game suggest I can try and look for the shelter code after sitting through that horrible scene after thr festival, only to pull the wool over me eyes and shove me into a dark world made right in front of you without being able to actually deal with the problem? What did I just waste my time on?
>>4137741None of that happened except the flowers bringing it up.>Why exactly did the game suggest I can try and look for the shelter codeIt did not. Your mental illness saw "oh shit I'm not in a cutscene it's time for THE OBJECTIVE" and then your brain shut down until you saw Kris do something.
>>4137694HMOFAfags that got mindbroken over 5 are faggots? Inconceivable.
Pixar asked, "what if the monster under your bed was actually part of a civilized society?" And produced monsters inc. Pixar asked "what if your toy was living?" And produced toy story. Next, they should ask the question, "what if deltarune enjoyers were sentient beings with human rights?" and produce goy story, which explores a universe of possibilities where the game isn't slop. I think this could really be interesting.
I'm 90% certain that Kris will kill himself with the seeds in the ending of chapter 6
>>4137761Nah, Kris will kill herself at the end of chapter 7.
>>4137744>If things go well today, we might have another shot at getting...>Into Noelle's house, right?>and if we do that, we can try get the code again.>So don't worry. It's all part of the plan, y'know?There was only one reason I say through that shit, and I got lunched for getting my hopes upGo fuck yourself, of course your supposed to try and beat the game when the cutscene isn't playing, that is the point of a video game.
>>4137764>gets cucked for a shitty lesbian romance plot >his dad is getting sacrificed tomorrow >the knight is probably going to betray him and might be a being of darkness larping as dess>him being a double agent will be revealed tooI don't see why he won't kill himself after the utter humiliation ritual that was the festival and chapter 6
>>4137739Ruby Gillman: "what if le mermaids were actually evil and krakens were good?"Wish: "Theres a king that controls everyone's wishes but... Zomg my god.. he's actually evil?"Strange world: "actually, the scary aliens are the good guys. Guys, are we surprised yet?"That Mexican movie about the afterlife: "le handsome skeleton guy is actually the evil one"
>>4137770>getting the codes is beating the gameNo.
>>4137784Your next line is telling me Robert didn't come with ill intent right after you tell me that the one objective you have in the game is just a distraction for the character the writers(and you) want to be the hero instead of the player like the cuck you are. Nah, man, that feels pretty malicious.
>>4137791I had an objective from chapter one. See the story through to the end.
>>4137797That cannot last for 8+ years. I'm out of patience, I find it hard to care about the story if it is stalling itself.
Why does he keep saying the same things over and over and over again.
>>4137800It's lasted fine for me. That's all any story has ever been, so why would I ever expect different?
>>4137805But I have never needed to take 8 years to beat a video game. I could have died in that time.
Dragon Quest lets you be the hero. Deltarune spits on this and demands you stand aside for someone else to do it and be happy that it's happening, and I'm the crazy one for noticing the parasite when he pokes his head out of the field and saying I don't want this to be in my video games.
>>4137772Two of those are all his fault.
>>4137802Because this is the hell jannies sent us to.
>>4137610I'm so fucking tired of this barney taking all the credit, i made you survive ch1 which ended with them being friendsThey, especially Kris, should be sucking and worshipping my dick instead, fix that exploit gaster
Ever since the day we metA parcel of my mind's lost to youWhen you made my name the same just as the one you love, then I knewMaybe to your view, I'm just a faintly colored hue, that's alrightEven if the only things you say are yes or no, I'll see blue sky.
>>4137989Nope
I miss when threads could be on /v/ with no problem. But for right now, I want this thread to post only your STRONGEST Spamtons.
>>4137989Toby Fox's game design prevents the vessel from doing anything of value
>>4138008my spamtons are too strong for you
>>4138005Hope you enjoy being USED UP buddy.
>>4138010more like ntr design than game design at the rate deltarune is getting at
i find it funny how people deny that chapter 5 is ntr cuck shit when even ntr artists praise the chapter for being ntr
>>4138008
>>4138038I just want Susie and even Ralsei to get cucked by fate already, or at least know what it is, i'm tired of waiting this ''tragedy''
>>4138038Yup. The only people mad are those who couldn't have predicted that Toby "King of Ero Games" "don't call me radiation" Fox incorporated NTR into his dream game.
>>4138005When did Kris name Noelle?
>>4138008Sorry bro but I don't want to waste the image limit. Funposting is not allowed in our prison.
This logic makes no sense. If I'm in a courtroom and I accuse someone of stealing, when in reality my kid just gave them the thing they "stole", it's not their fault. Someone who was under YOUR command gave away your possession, the fault is either on you for not taking better care of it, or the kids for giving away something that isn't theirs. flowery truly is just spewing straight nonsenseGenuinely was toby fox high while making this?
>>4138089Noel
>>4138100It's exaggerated because it's an Ace Attorney parody.
>>4138100Flowery knew he was full of shit, he just wanted to see if someone was gonna nut up and sacrifice themselves for the sake of their friends to prove their heroism.
>>4138106Only for them to go full pacicuck all fight and for the foreseeable future
>>4138100Thieves don't get off without consequence just because they had an accomplice. Are you retarded?
>>4138118except that if the fun gang didnt really steal the feather and only got it as a gift, they cant be accused of theft
>>4138136Taking something without permission is theft, even if you didn't know. That's like saying you didn't kill someone because you didn't know that whatever you did even did that.
>>4138100>>4138106>>4138118>>4138136>>4138141the Aqua scene is a bit of a gray area. Initially, the Petal Feather being given to the party is framed as more of a deal, with Ralsei and Susie offering to play with Aqua *if* she gives them the feather, which is something she agrees to. The Fun Gang has plausible deniability for not knowing who the true owner of the Petal Feather is, therefore the deal made can’t be linked to malicious intent. However, after the battle, this dialogue is seemingly immediately forgotten, as Susie is framed as tricking Aqua into giving her the Petal Feather. *However*, Susie does not explicitly ask for the Petal Feather in this dialogue string, she only asks for a prize, leaving Aqua to decide what this prize will be. Aqua herself then comes to the conclusion that the prize should be the Petal Feather, which again links back to that plausible deniability.
The Flower Kingdom is an enemy nation anyway
>>4138100>when in reality my kid just gave them the thing they "stole", it's not their faultIf you accepted it knowing that the parent wouldn't normally give it to you, you're indeed stealing it.
>>4138170their barbaric flowery out blessed ralsei
>>4138171except flowery has never told the party to not take the feather before they did lol
>>4138189yeahafaik seth just says that the lightners can't have it to aqua and then dodges the question when she asks why they themselves were never told they couldn't have it
>>4138089He used to call her Elly when they were kids.
>>4138205That's Dess
Criticism of Deltarune is getting so desperate for new material that fags are arguing the definition of stealing, like it isn't just something being taken without permission regardless of context. You're all sounding like niggers trying to justify why the bike you've seen unattended without a lock for 5 minutes is fine to take because nobody told you it was theirs.
>>4137602I do wonder how much the aborted shit will matter. More so for 5 since toby went out of his way to not include the aborted jingle if you fail the lake sceneSo its still continuing... but its not side B eitherHell for aborted 4 Noelle is going to get re-introduced to the dark worlds with the realisation she killed a guy shut the fuck up nigger he's dead or fallen down and Noelle got explicitly stronger from it to the extent she can oneshot spamton neo's defense mode.There's like 3 scenarios I think>Aborted is just normal route+ but you get highly specific lore and character information somehow (My guess would be regarding the prophecy and how it forces certain events)>Its akin to bad ending from a VN where everyone dies because Noelle goes schizo and snowgraves everyone. I could see this happening in a moment where the gang is supposed to separate in different groups like chapter 2 just for Noelle to give you the Iceshock special as a fuck (you) for failing the lake>Its a separate route entirely, might be unlikely but anything is possible and would explain the explicit design decision for 3 save files
>>4138222This is what happens when there's nothing new worth talking about, just mulling over the same few talking points ad nauseum. You get bored of it, so you have to come up with new shit, even if that new shit is completely meaningless.The WAIT is raping us more than the game's quality ever could.
>>4138222This is all because complaining about Suselle for months would have anyone calling you insane so you need to find other reasons to hate 5.
>>4138222>You're all sounding like niggers trying to justify why the bike you've seen unattended without a lock for 5 minutes is fine to take because nobody told you it was theirs.this scenario is completely different from someone else giving you something that isnt theirs either lmao
>>4138231You would know the difference between stealing and nto stealing wouldn't you, black boy?
>>4138229Speaking of stealing, Tobers stole the vessel from me and Susie stole Noelle from Kris(also me). Deltarune, more like Deltaran-away with the money bags and left guest writers holding the bag.
>>4138229>NOOO YOU CAN'T COMPLAIN ABOUT THE DOGSHIT WRITING FOR THE ROMANCE THAT'S BEING SET UP BY TOBY!!!>NOOO YOU CAN'T COMPLAIN ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE EITHER!!!might as well just admit you dont like it when people actually have things to say about deltarune instead of dickglazing this game 24/7
>>4138225It's gonna have the most dialogue changed and maybe you get a cooler extra weapon.It's gonna be the Alphys neutral ending of Deltarune.
>>4138250That might make the most sense, 'NOTHING CHANGED' on the set path but the characters hate you and a lot of the dialogue is different even if the ending is technically the same.
>>4138238This post implies that positive discussion ever takes place in the thread solely meant for talking about Deltarune and is therefore blatanly wrong
>>4138238You can complain about the game, all I'm saying that is the root cause of all the butthurt is Suselle.
xitter is in the middle of a dess knight/ rudy knight waras the official home of the noelle knighters, where do we stand on this?
>>4138264I still find it baffling people expected anything else to happen in terms of the game's romances and story focus.Susie has blatantly asserted herself the main character because Kris is too busy being an enigmatic antagonist, who will not be outed until Chapter 6 cliffhanger at the earliest, and we've known Suselle is invariably happening since Chapter 2, especially when this was an anticipation for a pairing that was five years in the making due to the WAIT.It's only natural the story is gonna focus so hard on Suselle in the meantime, it's quite literally all the game has until it's allowed to focus on the core conflict of Kris's motives and fragile dynamics in Chapter 7.
>>4138277Vriska Knight
>>4138277Humored that people are even still debating this topic. It's obvious that you literally cannot fit any character into this slot with what we currently know, the reveal will ONLY make sense with context provided in 7 or even 7B, just like how we didn't understand how Flowey was made until True Lab, but didn't understand why he became a psychopath until the New Home monologue in Genocide.
>>4138277Dess knight.Someone will post the seething image again.
>>4138277Carol Knight
>>4138289I can't believe Carol secretly FUCKING HATES her own children enough to traumatize Noelle, banish Dess to deepest dark or spook Dess so hard she ran away and THEN got lost in deepest dark, and then used the trauma she caused in the first place to justify starting the apocalypse.
>>4138277The rudy knight side is in the wrong because that video is really stupid and proven false. We know the crystals don't show the Knight's perspective, they show what Kris can see through the crystal because it changes depending on which room is Kris in Chapter 4. Then we receive the description of lost dreams, and Kris sees Noelle in a romantic context, their lost dream.
>>4138291She evil what can I say
>>4138291better than dess being lost but hanging out in town to kidnap people
>>4138296Just like how Asriel died but actually he's just chilling out as a flower who now likes killing people?
>>4138291>I can't believe Carol secretly FUCKING HATES her own childrenI mean... look at this THING. No wonder Kris and Carol want to destroy the world.
>>4138278>Susie has blatantly asserted herself the main character because Kris is too busy being an enigmatic antagonistand you supported it, you piece of shitdon't touch my dragon quest, you do not come in peace
>>4138303This girl is for ojisan like Ralsei.
>>4138278You need to remember a lot of people genuinely saw and still Deltarune as some sort of HMOFA dating sim, that's why 5 was so mindbreaking because it shut that down hard.
>>4138278I expected it, what i didn't expect was retarded decisions like how susie was also jealous of kris love life with noelle all along for some reason, anything for a ''''love triangle'''' i guess
>>4138311what if you saw it as a hfofa dating sim?
>>4138277The Rudy Knight side is just blatantly wrong this time. The crystals are clearly Kris's perspective.
>>4138312Susie's a delusional retard who's constantly making shit up in her head to simultaneously feel like an underdog badass hero but also a "woe is me my life is misery" little bitch, it's not surprising she decided to revise her own view of her life in Hometown to "actually the REAL reason I bullied you is because I thought you and Noelle were a thing and I've actually crushed on her this entire time even though I barely acknowledged her beyond 'wow she's not being mean to me even if she tries to stay away', it was never about your mom lmao."
>>4138314>this timethe usual then
>>4138313I would think you're Goomy.
>>4138311>shut downi'm drowning in dead wet doe dussy
>>4138311>You need to remember a lot of people genuinely saw and still Deltarune as some sort of HMOFA dating simEven after the ominous "Love finds it way to the Girl" panel of the prophecy of doom? Same panel that mindbreak one of the heroes to fuel her toxic escapism and delusions even further?
If Rudy knights real that means that fucker Noelle was tweaking for nothing other than her mom being an asshole and some cunt sister getting hit by a car 6 years ago or something, fucking embarassing
>>4138311hmofa dating sim would make millions
My goat berdlys parents don't even exist (clearly don't give a shit about him getting into a coma or something)
>>4138322...isn't snoot game just that
>>4138277Rudy knight is on the wrongBut i have to support it since the dess knighters literally made an OC with Dess character, and she literally has one single line of dialogue that's not even in the game, but honestly lately people are being so aggresive with theorizing and dess knighters are the one that always get so offended when you say that the knight can be another character
>>4138324Sorry, all mothers are currently on the janitor's dick.
>>4138318>dead wet doe dussyEww
>>4138324Nor does literally anyone in Hometown, the fucking nurse acts like it's normal for one teenager to drag another comatose teenager through the door and go "check him in pls."Either the entire town is rotten to the core, or they're literal NPCs and simulation theory is true.
>>4138326>"I don't want to win; I just need them to lose."
>>4138330>the world is big as you want it to be, immerse yourself in this vast and in-depth world i created!
>>4138318Yes, shut down because Kris clearly isn't going to chose who to date and is miserable in weird. Ignoring the USED UP elephant in the room.>>4138320Yes, people REALLY thought the festival was going to let us pick who Kris will date lol
>>4138334That's just about Undertale though.
>>4138335I remember those days fondly
>>4138334He said that about Undertale, which is where the "come behind the curtain with me" speech actually applies because the Underground really IS a big, lived-in kind of place that doesn't perpetually revolve around its main characters and have characters who exist solely to talk about those main characters.
>>4138324It's not that they don't care, but a character importante depends if Susie likes them or not
>>4138335Why not? Dragon Quest 5 let you choose your wife in 1992. Chrono Trigger let you beat the final boss without magic in 1995.Stop skimping out on things people might want out of spite.
>>4138339No wonder Carol didn't appear at all in Chapter 5, Susie decided she hates her guts and then the narrative got as contrived as possible to make Carol seem like either the world's biggest retard or a genuinely malicious vile cunt (thus justifying Susie's rebellious declaration that she WILL take Noelle to the festival whether Carol likes it or not) considering what then happens to Rudy, who Carol should've been watching like a hawk, or at the VERY LEAST should've gotten someone to watch him for her.
>>4138335>Yes, people REALLY thought the festival was going to let us pick who Kris will date lolIt vaguely did, since Susie and Noelle defer to Kris for everything. At one point it was so forced I thought the whole sequence was a commentary about Suselle being unsustainable without Kris, since what Susie and Noelle truly wants is Kris, but then the lake scene trampled that idea.
>>4138341Neither of those is relevant to Deltarune
>>4138335They can find each other in heaven in 7b it's fine>pick whoCan you blame people expecting that after the game gives you various dialogue options? also the end of the wr in ch4, like people expected the festival to be something huge instead of a linear corridor with few differencesToby literally raped us by giving expectations thanks to the years of waiting
>>4138346>>4138350>people forgot that Deltarune is the "your choices don't matter" gameYour choices aren't allowed to matter until Chapter 7 Golden Ending where the narrative arbitrarily decides "wow! your choices matter!!! way to go defying fate! (just ignore that this was always going to happen because the nature of a videogame means nothing is being truly broken or subverted, you just had the right flags and game skill to get here (laughs).)"
>>4138349They both are, actually. Deltarune has multiple girls who the main character is vaguely into, and Deltarune has a final area with a final boss that is shown very early in the game, with the game allegedly being about reaching said final area with enough strength to get in there and beat the game.No?THEN KEEP YOUR FUCKING HANDS FAR AWAY FROM DRAGON QUEST OR YOU WILL GET THEM BOTH CHOPPED OFF
>>4138354>with the game allegedly being about reaching said final area with enough strength to get in there and beat the gameNo>schizo babblingToby isn't going after dragon quest you retard
>>4138277my allegiance lies with the Rudy Knight faction, i shall not tolerate the deceiving lies of the dess knight heretics! Rudy Holiday the third is the knight of the legendary prophecy!
>>4138353Meh. Many were slain and/or spared, sometimes I went to diner with Susie, sometimes Kris and Noelle finally got their Ferris Wheel ride, sometimes Ralsei got to share an onsen with Kris. Sometimes I drowned them.Why would I cry about my choices not mattering? Only character supporting that worldview is Susie, who needs to be protected by both heroes, villains and NPCs lest she has a mental breakdown.
>>4138356You're never going to break CoL out of his delusions, he will remain perpetually scared of Toby Fox personally tainting Dragon Quest because he's convinced Toby's responsible for the narrative decisions FF7R made and genuinely believes that the narrative is because Aerith and Sephiroth became self-aware that they're in Hit Video Game Final Fantasy 7 and proceeded to subvert their fates as a result.
>>4138356Shhhh let him cook
>>4138356I don't believe you anymore. Why wouldn't he? It represents everything he's 'tired of'.
>>4138354Check xitter. Toby is composing two songs for DQ.
>>4138321actually, the fall was real and thats why it took until rudy was out of the hospital for the knight to go into flower shop, everybody who was at the hospital has a perfectly understandable reason for being late to the dark world adventure (rudy was fucking dying so he had to wait until he got better and until after noelle left for him to go into flower shop, at which point, it was already nighttime, Carol was with rudy and had to wait until he got better and noelle left for her to return to her plans, same with noelle), meanwhile dess has no explanation for taking so long to arrive when the knight was at church all day just fine
>>4138363I guess it means the dog has executive control over the story, design and philosophy of the franchise now. Dragon Quest is OVER.
>>4138363the east has fallen...has toby actually done any writing on the games he does song for or is temmie just pimping him out for music
>>4138363HOORAYNOW THERE WILL BE NO MORE ELEMENTAL MAGIC BECAUSE YOUR PARTY'S MAGES WILL ALL REFUSE TO USE SPELLSTHIS IS TOTALLY A REAL POSSIBILITY AND NOT SCHIZO SHIT
>>4138353My choices WILL matter and everyone (Susie) are gonna pay the consequences for taking my choices away
>>4138363YIPPIEEE I CAN'T WAIT TO SIT IN THE CHAIR WHILE MY CHARACTER COMPLAINS THAT I'M CONTROLLING THEM
>>4138365>>4138366>>4138367I'm just spreading disinformation to piss off CoL, tbdesu
>>4138368>Kris and Noelle are used up>World falls to darkness>Depressive sequence where hopeless Susie roam a Spawn-infested HometownYou like?
>>4138370Keep up. You're doing good, anon.
>>4138370Keep going.
It's so fucking JOEVER Dess and Rudy sisters...
>>4138346It didn't, that's why mentally ill people screech NTR, because those prior scenes literally don't matter.
>>4138374How is her fat ass fitting inside the armor
>>4138371Would be kul but i don't know if each ending is gonna change that much, i believe when tobert said about one ending, maybe pre-ending sequences
>>4138350Forgot to add that HMOFAkeks got cucked out of the festival in wr too which is why nobody ever mentions it in their discussions.
>>4138363toBY YOU FUCKING HACKget your fucking nigger hands off of my RPGS AT ONCE, YOU TRIED POISONING PEOPLE'S MINDS WITH UNDERTALE PACISHIT BS, I WILL NOT TOLERATE YOU TOUCHING JRPGS TOO, YOU HACK FRAUD OF A "JRPG FAN", the dog who admitted to being tired of jrpgs... working on a JRPG, what a fucking joke, i await for the day his whole career falls apart
>>4138368Why does these two retarded pumpkins being together trigger the end of the world? They're just a dumb teenager and an equally dumb doe.
>>4138377She controls a Knight hologram with her ukelele as seen the ball form
>>4138363Is this real?
>>4138381It's not necessarily them being together, it's because of whatever the fuck is going on that enables the soul to perform Weird Route, whether some literal meta bullshit about flags and prompts and commands that don't have to make diegetic sense, or another entity in the soul who's exploiting the vulnerabilities you're creating, an entity who was there before (You), who tried to Weird Route by itself but was suppressed by Kris when he became determined enough to reset (hence the unused opening variant where Susie is begging Kris to wake up), which also explains why Kris hates his soul so much before (You) even come along and do anything.
>>4138383Why wouldn't it be?
>>4138380ralsei didn't say that
>>4138381Because they are just tools for you to break the game
>>4138375>NTR...about who?>Noelle gets her best friend role usurped by Susie and forced to watch Kris have fun without her - therefore she is the cuck>Kris literally has to sit and watch through Noelle and Susie's awkward flirting as a third wheel - therefore he is the cuck>Susie doesn't know she's being treated as a substitute for Dess, that Noelle is mentally ill and that Kris approached her to sacrifice her ass to the Prophecy - therefore she is the cuck
>>4138379Noelle voted for her and Kris and then told Susie to go bring Kris like a dog, there's nothing else to talk because it was too much for toby to add more features in the festival, instead of course people talk much more about the lake where everything happens
>>4138387Because I'm not a schizophrenic who believes everything he reads online.
>>4138390You don't get it. WE are the cuck.
>>4138394Toby is whoring out his dream of a lifetime to me, specifically. Explain how I'm the cuck in this arrangement.
>>4138390Obviously the middle one, nobody cares about the other two being cucks.
>>4138379Unironically it was a very pure Krusie date where Susie tries to cheer up Kris.But everyone is too busy cumming to the cervine psychopath to notice.
>>4138391Exactly, you guys just hyperfocus on one thing and memoryhole everything else about it.
>>4138397this is the only true date of the game btw
>>4138397>>4138399And it's still undercut because Weird Route continuing means we probably won't see Susie again, and "Aborted" completely shits on it with playing out the Suselle lake scene anyway AND having her talk that pure bullshit about the actual reason she bullied Kris.
>>4138397yeah that's part of the problem with susie when everything is going her way she's an insensitive bitch to everyone around herthings are not going her way in the wr and she's noticeably nicer to kris as a resultintentionally or not, that's how toby's written susie
>>4138399>a-at least we got a date right bros?Compared to Kriselle getting marriage, rape and reverse rape w/ climax?
>>4138398Literally, what do you meanThere are very few things that happens in the festival wr as the most important scene is the lake, in fact the most notable moments in the festival where with Susie insteadI dunno what you wanna talk, that Toby didn't bother to make another version of the festival because he was lazy?
>>4138402I like the way she's portrayed. How entitled she becomes when she feels secure.
>>4138405while i'm inclined to agree, ch5 was too cruel to kris for me to feel like it was wholly necessary
>>4138388chapter 5 ralsei did actually
>>4138390middle one is the right answer.first point is irrelevant since she gets to kiss susie up and shit thus usurping the girlfriend role and cockblocking kris out of getting the dragon gf he wanted.third point is irrelevant considering she still has the girl and will beat kris' ass once she finds out anyways. kris is the one getting raped by every single circumstance at the same time
>>4138397It's a geniune crime that the zorgon moment is aborted exclusive, why tobert
>>4138406>ch5 was too cruel to kris for me to feel like it was wholly necessaryNecessary, I think. You need to see how much Kris is sacrificing to not instakill them once they turn traitor. In-universe, Kris can't be allowed to be fall in the same "happy ever after" Susie is headed towards - so he's forced to see the Girl (identity irrelevant) gets with someone else, and get shamed almost publically by Flowery all chapter.
>>4138402>when everything is going her way she's an insensitive bitch to everyone around herwatch it turn out that the reason why susie was a bully is because she had a considerably happy life outside of the piano shit
>>4138416Toby won't let her lose the Mandate of Heavens that easily, right?
>>4138415thus the solution is to snap susie's good ending in half and force her to share it.
Reminder Noelle is a piece of shit too, not just Susie. Before the start of the game she was literally getting off on seeing Susie bully Kris instead of helping.https://deltarune.com/the_n3w3st_g1rl_g1rl/
>>4138416that's something i've thought about for a while noweveryone is so dead set on susie having shitty parents even though we know actually fuck all about her homelife what if she's just dumb and bored? if toby truly is a subversive mastermind then he obviously wouldn't go the traditional route for the bullied character to have a tragic backstory to explain their prior misdeed
>>4138412>beatKris reflected her apple attack like a gamer, that dino would only if Kris lets her winAnd obviously it will because the traitor arc lasting more than 5 minutes would be an actual surprise LMAOOO
>>4138416Susie larps as a deranged homeless person but is actually affluent with neglectful parents. Purchases designer sweaters and jeans with scuff marks and rips lovingly manufactured in by machine. pretends to live in low income housing, and eats chalk because that's what she thinks homeless people do (or munchies from the designer cannabis)
>>4138100it didn't need to make sense, it was bait to get ralsei to needlessly sacrifice himself and it worked perfectly
>>4138416>>4138420Susie hiding that she had an okay life would be so fucking funny that it would actually destroy her character outside of here where people hate her for shipping, because of all the unnecesary bullying, i want that to happen just for how funny it would be
>>4138426It would parallel dess, fuck what a genius Toby is
>>4138420to support this notion, do consider that noelle is meant to be the rich girl next door who grew up getting whatever she could possibly want but she's still unhappy with her life anyways
>>4138419Literally no one in Hometown is a good person except for Asriel, and he got the fuck out of dodge as soon as he could. If it wasn't for the fact he's a genuinely good person who cares too much, he would've never looked back and he'd be thriving, but alas, he's sentimental even if everyone from Hometown is terrible.
>>4138428Other than her mother the Grinch, her terminally ill dad and her sister getting kidnapped by gasters pirate crew in the shelter
>>4138428noelle has a little more depth than that, as by all accounts she was happy with life before her sister (who seems to fit the archetype you mentioned prior to leaving) vanished
>>4138432of course, i'm saying that noelle and susie parallel each other in that way, susie grew up content and noelle grew up unhappy, it just makes sense
>>4138401Yeah, it's very clear Kris is not going to see Susie again in the weird route (because they are getting USED UP)
>>4138404I mean that even the weird route festival was a Suselle date.
>>4138419It's okay as long as I can imagine them being Kris's wives, if not they're the devil themselves.
>>4138436actually, it was noelle cucking susie, all she talks about in the weird route festival is about how noelle seemed too calm or bored in comparison to her, and in the aborted weird run susie gets jealous and starts prodding kris about what happened in the lake only to be glad when you re-affirm her that noelle is free for the taking (she literally says "It's just good whatever's up with you two... ... it's over now, right?", what a "great" thing for a "great" friend to say, right?)
>>4138419that's because noelle gets off to kris bullying her, its just the natural outcome when NTR protagonist kris refuses to make a proper move on her)
>>4138418The game won't even let her keep the pretense through Chapter 6, don't sweat it.
>>4138436Yes because that's called a ''fail-safe state''Whatever you wanna abort the weird route, the fail-safe state triggers and the suselle shit continues so the story doesn't fall apart, Kris dunks on the water was a more non-meta way of doing it, this is why the ch2 wr scene is never brough up again because it specifically made if you want to abort the route in ch4
>>4138445toby was too lazy to add ch4 aborted weird route dialogue to account for the ch2 weird route, he's lost his touch from back when he made undertale
>>4138448I mean think about itIf you don't continue the WR in ch4, the route goes back as nothing happens, because Noelle still thinks it's a dream but also she remembers Susie because of the scene where she enters the roomBut yeah this is also Toby not bothering making too many scenarios cuz he got lazy lmao
>>4138448he stopped caring when he was forced to cut the minigames out of ch3now we're left with the lazy husk of what deltarune was supposed to be
Is Toby cramming in three trillion failstates for the weird route also an anti frustration measure for if the weird route's completion bricks all your saves with the evil ending forever, or some other unforeseen consequence? It makes it seem like the weird route will do something you can just newgame your way out of
You really want to be the whiniest fandom on this website huh?
>>4138453Heh, not even close kid. Go pay a visit to /a/ and then come back.Or just go to /v/ and look at any GTA6 thread.
>>4138448Undertale was already that way with most of the aborted genocide routes, like sparing monster kid.
>>4138449>the route goes back as nothing happens, because Noelle still thinks it's a dream but also she remembers Susie because of the scene where she enters the roomexcept that susie asked her about her dream, even if it went like>"so, uh, how was your dream like?">"...">"Noelle?">"Oh, sorry, i was just... thinking. about how weird kris has been acting lately.">"what're you talking about? Kris is still the good old weirdo they've always been to me.">"i... guess, but...">and then susie interjects and talks about her own experience.it wouldve been better than nothing.
>>4138455yeah, there were some oddball cases like aborted genocide alphys not giving a shit or flowey not reacting at all if you reset BEFORE you reach the tpe/genocide ending, but ultimately most of your actions had some kind of consequence, be it as every NPC in the area becoming psychics and somehow being partially aware of the chapter boss dying or the royal guard dogs being acknowledged as dead by grillbys and undyne, 90 neutral endings, even monster kid and the snowman having exclusive dialogue if you were an asshole to them, etc. there was more effort put in those than deltarune's consequences
>>4138420>if toby truly is a subversive mastermindThat's the issue here, he isn't. Yes, Toby is subversive, but not to a high degree, his type of subversion is all pretty basic, people always overestimate him on this.
>>4138451He stopped caring immediately after he decided to start selling merch for a demo that wasn't even two weeks old yet, and the sheer success of those merch sales spurred on the episodic release format so he could sell more gay Ralsei plushies and quirk chungus darkner doodads.
>>4138445Yeah it's weird Susie never tells us what happened in Noelle’s room there.
>>4138419>Noelle wants to watch her childhood crush get raped by a big mean girl
>>4138465>why is he selling merch for a demodid he ever answer this? surely he had enough fuck you money from undertale by 2018, right?
>>4138452The lake itself already infects your savefiles creating a new file, so far it doesn't nothing tho At least for 7 and 7b there's a chance that he won't have problems making different scenarios since it's the end
Vessel deniers... Toby is dunking on us...https://x.com/Amalgam8Memory/status/2113699224026308961
>>4138469toby is an egocentrical greedy bastard who only wants more money to both satisfy himself and to donate to terrorists, he knew that he had a groomed-into-hippie-pacicuckoldry crowd begging for an undertale sequel so he reeled them in to his magnus opus project through undertale bait in his demo, decided to milk money from merch by doing episodic releases after he saw people begin to move on during the wait after chapter 1, and even made an anniversary stream using spamton and charity as a front to get people to give him and multiple terrorists thousands and thousands of dollars out of sheer autism. the fact that toby says he wants deltarune to be seen as its own thing but also keeps calling it an undertale parallel story and reccomends people to play undertale first shows how much of a lying fuck he is.once he's done with deltarune, there's a non-zero that he'll make a third entry to the undertale series of the game just to leech off of the autists once more.
>>4138470the lake only adds a "_b" on a save file which is likely meant for the game to track the weird route and take you to chapter 7B
>>4138448You know what's weird, he kinda did?The unused ferris wheel scene was most likely meant for ch4 aborted wr, but for some reason toby didn't put a way to trigger it
>>4138471I still don't understand how people can think we will never see the Vessel again.
>>4138482They're Kresselfags who desperately want to believe Vessel won't return because it's been here all along, something something colored in with care, something something grey crease that will never go away.
>>4137526Still not as hideous as some of his official sprites.
>>4138368>Kris, I...>I think that's...>A bad choice.What if this is literal and whoever gets to date Noelle is FUCKED? Maybe Susie getting close to Noelle is a really bad thing for her and Kris is aware of this, which would explain why Kris is keeping their distance even if they love the doe.
>>4138484>something something grey crease that will never go away.I still don't get the logic of that phrase implying anything but murder or some other violent act, especially when you consider the surrounding context
>>4138482>"I'm Wig Dig Gasta' and the vessel was destroyed offscreen so I put the soul in some random human that vaguely resembled it, lol, lmao even."
>>4138494Because they can't read metaphors for shit, the whole point of that scene was to show fantastical excerpt of the past, Kris getting therapy after THAT DAY but nothing working because of the promise he made to Knight, which has indefinitely weighed him down with unfathomable guilt, and his ass was only like 12 when it happened.
>>4138453It's not my fault the fanbase is dedicated to destroying my favorite things.
>>4138509Your fault for opposing Toby. Dog = goD, never forget.
>>4138513Yup. Remember, they decided to name a class of stars White Dwarf, an ultimate premonition for when the first green star would appear, making it a Green WD, just like how it's often theorized WD Gaster is green.This is Toby's world, and we're all living in it. Susie reflects how easily he was handed everything on his plate, and her "woe is me" shtick that was totally absent from Chapter 1 is meant to run parallel with his fucked up wrist that he acquired after Chapter 1.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I-1SD1KNndI
>>4138490They would have killed her long ago, unless she is the sacrifice date but Ralsei would have told her that dating Noelle is a bad ideaIt's strange, so far the meme of Kris fucking anyone would bring the end of the world is relevant
>>4138519May CoL emerges victorious, for he is our bulwark against the grim future of post-Spamton Deltarune.
>>4138522>but Ralsei would have told her that dating Noelle is a bad ideaRalsei is literally working with Kris though. He is Kris little bitch
>carol is also a susellecuck because it accelerates the prophecy or something equally retarded
>>4138525yes, and he knows the difference between kris and (you)he's trying to tell (you) that going to the festival with noelle is a bad idea.
>>4138530Yet it was fine. I picked all the options for Krusie in one run, and all the Kriselle option in my third file, and everything. Was. FINE.Raly is just a worrywart.
>>4138525Ralsei says he knows Kris is opening fountains but supports him because he knows how to play piano, not that he's working with him>>4138527The problems of vagueposting this late, we really don't know if Susie is the sacrifice like undyne or what are they sacrificing for in the first place
>>4138531oh yes, perfectly fine.
>>4138532Or if a person's even being sacrificed at all, remember we're going off of FRAGMENTED DIALOGUE and the context of "sacrifice" could be LITERALLY ANYTHING.
>>4138531The game is not finished, dumbass.
>>4138527>the guitar isnt actually THAT important.>carol just wanted to play on the fact that susie is a rebel cunt by painting noelle as a "forbidden" thing in her eyes, thus ensuring the next day happens the way it does.>only reason she's fine with the noelle saying she wants to go to the festival with kris is because as long as "the girl" finds love (this is noelle, susie is just 'girl') then the prophecy is being advanced.
>>4138536Anon stop, don't give Toby ideas.
>>4138536I miss Dragon Quest literally every second we're apart, because every second we're apart I see what kind of shite gets sold as normal. Hope oot remake blows this out of the water. It's already better than ff7 remake.
>>4138534>police... sacrifice>we are thankful of the police sacrifice for searching her so hardheh
>the thread schizo is also a tendieoh im laughin.
>>4138540How's it feel knowing they don't make discs anymore playshitter
>>4138542atari jaguar bro actually btw
he even thinks that everyone who hates nintendo worships sony, how cute!
I can't believe this but I miss discussing femkris theory over talking to the tobyfoxrapedmefags
>>4138490this implies that noelle will try to do the weird route lake scene with susie on the normal route, basically noelle begs susie to go with her, susie says nah and walks away, and then noelle wraps her arm around susie's neck and starts dragging her into the lake and you can either intervene or watch as susie begs you to save her
>Tenna's game is based on dragon blazers, which is based on the prophecy>features three heroes: hero_axe, hero_sword, and hero_scarf>the prophecy panels show us hero_sword is the girlFemKris confirmed.
>>4138377it barely is
>>4138565it is written:only kris can defeat GANON
>>4138469>surely he had enough fuck you money from undertale by 2018Anyone ever calculated how much he earned from Undertale during 2015-2018 and how much developing Deltarune from 2016-2025 costs?For Deltarune I came up with 1.5 million only to pay salaries.
Another thread gone from /v/
>>4138551I have to wonder what these threads would be like if people didn't spend half the day replying to that guy's posts
I'm surprised THAT thread lasted for as long as it did.
Another trillion to Hiro
>>4138584It was fun while it lasted
>>4138587There's nothing stopping you from having actual discussion in /vg/ instead of trying to make a thread on /v/ and getting banned.
>>4138590I think it’s funny how the buttbuddy ERP staff clearly finds these splinter boards a shame and get worked up in a sweaty rage that people don’t have to use /vg/
>>4138591they hate any actual discussion /vg/ is perfect because it turns into a miniature discord full of thread personalities while there are some theoretical annoyances in /vrpg/, it's still far and away the second best option the occasional /v/ threads still strike terror into the heart of janny, and they likely will forever until he retires
>>4138590>There's nothing stopping you from having actual discussion in /vg/The funny thing is /vg/ is the one board where you would actually be stopped from properly discussing...literally anything. /v/ threads might get deleted but at least they're fun and not fave circlejerks. But hey, if you don't like the /v/ threads then feel free to not post in them.
>>4138590Bro, have you ever been to /vg/?
>>4138592I don't care about the game any more, I only want new chapters just so there are short bursts of a couple weeks at a time where the tranny ERPfagging mods have to put up with multiple Deltarune threads on /v/'s front page. I didn't used to be like this but their obnoxious behavior has turned me against them.
At this point /vg/ is slightly better because I don't have CoL screeching in my ear about how Toby raped him everyday.
>>4138590>There's nothing stopping you from having actual discussion in /vg/oh, y'know, aside from /utg/'s 50 schizos and undesirables that make CoL look like a desirable poster.
>>4138598>>4138599heh
/vg/ is better because kingfag posted nudes like once
>>4138601>3DDisgusting, get out of here.
>>4138598Please, don't leave us! Oh you didn't? I guess that has something to do with /vrpg/ being better than /vg/. Funny how that works.>>4138599CoL is fine on his own, it's everyone else knowingly responding to all of his posts that are the same no matter how many times you challenge him on his opinions which is the actual issue.
>>4138604>it's everyone else knowingly responding to all of his posts that are the same no matter how many times you challenge him on his opinions which is the actual issue.Yeah this is the actual problem and I can never discern why people don’t this, like I can’t tell if they genuinely think there’s some string of words they can put together that will change the mind of an insane man
>>4138599You could just ignore them, also there is barely any difference in quality between /v/ and /vg/ thse days.
>>4138606You realize all your wannabe advice applies to you too, right? If you don't like something, you can post around it or leave. Some of us don't like /vg/ so we left.
>>4138606Lol I'll go make another thread on /v/ just to spite you
>>4138605It's lolcows trolling lolcows, every single time, because that's a majority of internet interactions that aren't between emotionally immature snot-nosed brats who will default to posting a public GOOGLE DOCKEY when they have a falling out with a friend or e-date.The lolcow trolling lolcows won't give up on their crusade because they're just as deranged in their own uniquely weird way, and in their case their obsession is thinking they can break CoL.
>>4138610
This board is way better than the others, maybe it has to do with the lack of schizos and coomers.
>>4138616Less than usual, you mean. We still have them, they're just not as abundant because traffic here is much slower.
>>4138617Anon, these threads are faster than the majority of /v/ threads nowadays...
>>4138616I don't coompost a lot here to preserve the image limit and to not attract the janitorial's wrath
>>4138616I kind of feel like boards like this are too low-traffic to have what’s very obviously actual bots festering around every thread, which causes a quality upswing in comparison
>>4138620>to preserve the image limitYou realize that's a non-issue, right?
>>4138624anon, don't you start. we have already gone over this many times before
>>4138616its not as fun as /v/
>>4138630we will have /v/conquista soon
CH6 is releasing on its own, which means that there is a non zero chance FRIEND INSIDE ME comes back for CH7
>>4138633>CH6 is releasingHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>4138633Mew had a friend inside her though.
>glaceir is in the piano collection vol. 2alright, which motifs are going to get snuck in theremy bets are faint glow, lost girl, and maybe darkness falls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZSZUFJ9xNQlight world fight against carol
>>4138639ME.OGG
>>4138608>Some of us don't like /vg/ so we left.Platinum grade self owns
>>4138651In some cases it's people going there assuming that's where we have to be after getting kicked off /v/ only to find that the general is its own subculture divorced from actual games discussion
was there anything cool found from people digging through the switch 2 version?
One more week until we get the next newsletter(lol(lmao))
>>4138657How would they be able to? The Switch 2 is unhackable.
What are your expectations for 6? Im guessing that Itll probably be out earlier than we expect but will be shit. It surely cant be as lame as 5 was but still, everything is possible...
>>4138680>what if the game sucked?Daring today aren't we
>>4138681Every theory this site has makes the game suck, with literally all of them saying the game is skimping out on features on purpose or that the world is a simulation
>>4138682how would you make the next chapter better, big guy?
>>4138683Fix the dojo, for one.
>>4138683KILL SUSIE
>>4138682>or that the world is a simulationExplain the CRT screen with the "Insert Chapter 7B" text in 5WR in a way that doesn't imply that the world of Deltarune is artificial.
>>4138687NTA but perhaps it's just the way SOUL is seeing the world throught the device? Like a game of sorts?
>>4138683Make it so you can get the shelter codes yourself
>>4138683Replace all Kris scenes with my beloved submissive wife Friskl
>>4138683make susie and the others suffer because at this point I dislike most of the charactersmake the twisted sword\crystals, eggs and the aborted weird route actually do something fix castle townmove the story forward and give some answers instead of wasting my time after a decade of waitinggive the player at least some choices
>>4138695this except making Susie suffer. She's the only one I care about.
7B is gonna be kill everyone and leave.
>>4138692But Kris already knows the code
>>4138698And it will be the best part of the game.
>>4138696I didn't know Gaster could access this website bros
>too many regular games don't let you choose things or have choices that don't matter >make Undertale where choices matter>treat Undertale as the default when making Deltarune>subvert Undertale by making choices not matter>end up making just a regular game4D chess.
>>4138699Then stop wasting my timeThere is no reason to give a shit if I know the game is trying to waste time on purpose.
I miss Spamton....
>>4138704We know. You've made it your personality and that's all you talk about.
>>4138699just give it up anon, he's a mentally ill loon that'll never understand anything.just stop giving him attention so that he'll fuck off.
>>4138703Stop wasting my timeStop wasting my timeStop wasting my time
>>4138708I forgot that was him, I only have most of his script memorized
>>4138683Replace Kris with the Batter.
>>4138683More suselle dates
>>4138712Class: Instigator
>>4138711That will happen in chapter 7 though after he kills himself in 6's ending
>>4138714Suselle will clap, insensitives pricks they are
>>4138706
>>4138706>>4138717Vessels sharing their one brain cell lmao
>>4138482I think it's just contrarianism or Kris self-inserters too attached to Kris and doesn't want the Vessel to steal his role. Some of them even try to spread Kris=Vessel despite all the counter evidence of it.
>>4138708You're the mentally ill loon that celebrates when you get shat on.
>>4138490Nah, because in the same dialogue Ralsei suggests to bring Susie with him. It's just Kris being with Noelle alone is bad.
>>4138551FemKrisGODS are still posting, pay attention and listen.
>>4138584>>4138587Fucking sucks that every thread happens when I'm asleep. Fuck my chud life.
>>4138683Make the guitar darkner super sexy
>>4138683Sjelter with eram vague posting to troll the audience
>>4138683Kriselle.
>>4138726>the big ONE REVEAL is that Eram is still around
>>4138590This type of bait gets bitten EVERY SINGLE TIME
>>4138598>>4138599The duality of men
>>4138616Lewdposting doesn't work here because of the image limit. That's why you don't see many of them, everyone is hiding their powerlevel versus /v/.
>>4138633Friend inside me is dead. Let it go, don't be as cringe as Papyrus Knighters still holding on.
>>4138680My expectations for Chapter 6 that it's going to be basically new home expanded as a full chapter. Mostly linear to reveal one thing, and a major boss fight at the end that is final boss tier.
>>4138683We get a Gaster reveal because 6 is his number.
>>4138740see anon, its not that i want friend inside me to come back.its that it'd be really fucking funny for the CH7 wait to devolve back into the CH3+4 schizophrenia days>everyone going nuts over a character that the last secret boss mentioned (in this case, seam mentioning someone)>everyone making their own take of the bunker and beneath the lake>likely that it'd take three years again since this is the ending that toby's been waiting a decade and a half to make so it has to be PERFECT>mike nonsense has a non zero chance of coming back with the friend handler and the REAL mike still being at large>FRIEND inside me can come back extremely easilyits unlikely, but it can happen. the final wait could be the biggest rerun of the century and it'd drive everyone insane.
>>4138714Kris will replace the Knight and become the new one in Chapter 6s ending.
>>4138741Asgores fight mogs everything from deltarune
>>4138743I would rather get new schizo theories then reheated nachos that make no sense now.
>>4138746>I would rather get new schizo theories then reheated nachosthats the point, CH6 leaves us off in such a shitty state in terms of theory potential that we get all of these old and busted theories coming back for the final wait.>make no sense now.the power of schizophrenia can make all seem clear
Before Chapter 5, I didn't care too much about the weird route. Obviously it was still cool as shit, it's kinda hard to make an alternate route about making a temporary party member stronger with a harder boss and new cutscenes boring. I didn't like the way it was treated in the fandom, though, and I was still more invested in the normal route and its characters.Then Chapter 5 rolls around and 5B turns out to be 10 times more interesting than the normal route. I don't think the normal route is hopeless, but I find myself looking forward to 7B and any aborted wr changes more. I think it was a combination of not having high hopes for 5B because I half-subscribed to the ideas that it would end early, and the disappointment of the normal route. Noelle isn't even one of my favourite characters, but I find it sad how small her role is on normal. Maybe it'll turn out this is all for nothing and normal Noelle gets a happy ending while weird Noelle is dead in a ditch, but as of now I'm pretty satisfied seeing what her limits are and how far she can go to try and attain freedom. I hope all of the characters can be free and happy at the end, but if not, at least Noelle should finally be able to look beyond the glass and see what's on the other side of the lake, or die trying.
Do you think UNUSED will have two different texts when Chapter 7 and 7B release?
The weird route is hopeless, the developers don't even car about doing it for chapter 6, they just gave up on doing anything it's worse than the nothing that chapter 3 was, it was admission that they gave up.
>>4138750>I don't think the normal route is hopelessthe normal route is doomed lmao.toby's fever dream lies on the weird route (or one of the aborted branches, which will all be relevant during CH6 since noelle's coming back) given the thank you arg, multiple hints towards side B throughout the chapters, and sweepstakes featuring a lot of side B related stuff.the normal route is, at best, set dressing to justify the game's existence so that the weird route can have something to contrast with. but more likely than not the normal route exists to push you towards one of the alternate paths.
>>4138753How much did Suselle rape you in Chapter 5?
>>4138753Favorite ship?
Notice how Tobias robias fox has 7b partially complete, while his team "might" be able to start development on chapter 7 by the end of the year? Further indication that 7b was his dream, he doesn't want to fuck up his grand flourish, so he's getting it out of the way before the suselleshart normal route
>>4138755How bad was suselle?
>>4138759No it's because the team dedicated to it managed to start it first (since 5B was pretty short compared to the main Chapter).
>>4138759By that same logic you could say he wants to be done with 7B faster so he has more time to polish his normal route masterpiece
>>4138761Pretty short? It had nothing in it.
>>4138760It's this threads main rapist.
>>4138750Despite what some might think, Toby clearly loves both genocide and weird. Both routes allow us to see more of the characters and sides we would never see normally. I'm certain that weird route Noelle will have a worse ending than normal route with all the omnious used up stuff but we will still see and learn more from her than normal. Toby is really good at making routes coexist with each other.
>>4138767But suselle sucks. Why would you put the globe homo into a kids game
>>4138767Almost as bad as you defending it? Why do you defend it so much?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv57W4JjRYUWhat do we think of this soul color theory?
>>4138767I WISH Suselle raped me.
>>4138772tl;dw?
>>4138657Well, you can check it out here.https://x.com/ners_xd/status/2113867923789950989
>>4138768She lost it when she tried to see too far...She lost it...
>>4138774Deltarune is about inversions and the soul colors are inverted thematically (Purple-Green, Susie and Ralsei's roles inverted)Kris' inverted color is Red-Cyan (this is also a Kratience theory)Noelle's inverted color is Yellow-Blue (this means Noelle vs Carol blue soul boss fight in Chapter 6 who might be the Knight too)
>>4138776It's still called sunkus internally? That is super interesting
>>4138779Every soul mode is related to who used it in Undertale so the blue soul mode user will be related to the skeletons.
>>4138790Ehh the purple soul in Pink's fight has a tiny microscopic callback to Muffet that doesn't matter at all to the context of the fight. Might as well say Carol bought sushi in the shop Sans works at and it works the same
>>4138791Or that the Knight is a Gaster creation. Anyway Toby will have to at least connect the two.
Flowerys fight was hard for me, I had to spend a bunch of turns stalling by defending and healing until Kris and Susies HP were high enough to move onto the next phase
>>4138790That's because Chapter 6's boss is Papyrus
>>4138795THAT'S RIGHT.HE'S THE ROARING KNIGHT.
Toilet theory: environmental science major Toby fox made wd gaster an allusion to manhole covers, the depths are actually buried radioactive waste, and the roaring is a torrent of radioactive sewage exploding from everyone's toilets to drown them. There's a YouTube video on it
>>4138794It took me three tries to beat him (this was on release), though I think for me it was both sucking at the soul mode and being demotivated by the chapter. I wasn't able to beat Pink for the same reasons, but on a replay months later I beat her first try.
>>4138795Nah, it needs to be a boss that mirrors Toriel.
>>4138799skibidi carol
lol
>>4138801>Nurturing warm mother who won't let you get your freedom>Controlling cold mother who won't let you get your freedomSound like the perfect Noelle vs Carol scenario to me
This is what's happening in 7B btw.https://youtube.com/shorts/cACrlO31K58
>>4138804my god this is going to suck
>>4138805>vesselslopdown the trash it goes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db-ryVctcWYIs this a false-flag operation? Does he pretend to be anti-Dess knighter to discredit actual anti-Dess knighters?(Or he's unironically retarded?)
>>4138809it will remain a mystery because im not watching that shit
>>4138805>vesselKINOYup, canon.
Dess bush.
>>4138813Yup, that's where she's buried.
>>4138814We can rebuild her. We have the technology. We can make her hairier than she was.
What if Dess turned into __ICE-E?__
>>4138809It's spookydood, he's retarded and mindbroken nowadays.
>>4138816>We can rebuild her.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9OBbsLYGOE
>>4138809This video doesn't even make a lot of sense because it's made to slander Dessknight because of the fandom, then ends with him supporting Abnormal Dess which is still Dessknight.
>>4138822Question is knight being a "titan like being larping as dess" dessknight?
>>4138830Yeah.
>>4138830Yes. People who pretend it's anti-DessKnight for Dess as the Knight to be Flowey 2 are just desperate to be "less wrong", like the KrisKnight supporters who pretend chapter 3 was a win because it acted like Kris had a reveal he was hiding the whole time and Kris was working with the Knight.
>>4138843It was more of a win than all others Knight theorists at the time.
>>4138843Krisknight can still get a real pity victory if KriselleKnight is real
>>4138859Why did people get so mad about that theory? It isn't that big of a deal.
>>4138866Because it kinda ignores every possible rule UTDR has given us just for the sake of hype moments and aura.
>>4138869Like Rudy Knight?
>>4138872Yeah precisely.
>>4138872Like every single Knight candidate because none of them will comfortably slot into the role, as Toby is withholding the how and why from us, split across Chapter 7 and 7B respectively, just like how Asriel being Flowey's how and why were split across True Lab and New Home (Genocide).
>>4138875I feel like the idea of darkness being able to corrupt a lightner who spends too long in a dark world is fairly obvious compared to any potential "how and why" of Kriselle Knight.
>>4138880Yeah, but between Spamton (obsessed with getting a Lightner's SOUL) and Pink (a Lightner/Darkner hybrid, where the Lightner is reshaped to match the Darkner), it's obviously a lot more going on than simple corruption.
>>4138881I still wonder where the green strings that ensare them both are coming from.
>>4138884Strings of fate?
Is hometown a gun free zone
>>4138887It certainly is not a knife free zone.
>>4138880My problem with that idea is the fact that Ralsei would never let Kris and Susie sleep in Castle Town if there was the slightest possibility of that happening.
Another thread down, fucking jannies
>>4138894>One of the last images posted was the jannyKek
>>4138898Is this so-called “janny” in the thread with us right now, anon?
>>4138794the game tricks you into thinking you have to do full charges but 99% of the time you'll just take a hit if you do that short charge and it's much easier
Thoughts?https://youtu.be/s42S-Bfp0FI
>>4138899I'm talking about the deleted /v/ thread.https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/750270521/#q750276320
>>4138899factually yeswe know him and his kittens gang stalk the threads to see if there are any up on /v/unfortunately for them, they only got the decoy one
I wonder for how long will the seethe last
>>4138907Until the worst parts of the game improveLike, i dunno, the fact the game does not value the player in the slightest and replaced them with susie
>>4138909Not what I was talking about
>>4138907Indefinitely, until UNRELATED is announced and becomes playable, because Toby obviously will not be able to resist another entry since he can just get his ghostwriters and such to make it for him so he doesn't fuck up his wrist any further.
The game sucks, and chapter 5 was the worst of itAnything that people could say to make it worse is just more of chapter 5.
>>4138907until deltarune officially makes it in smash with a new unique fighter + stage instead of only a costume
>>4138907Why are you sucking up to the janny?
I was talking about janny seetheRegarding the game Im still in just out of curiosity and I think most people here are the same, after so many years you want to know how it ends even if its shit>>4138915Umm I was doing the opposite
>>4138913Ralsei's the only viable applicant given his autism over Lightners, and he'd just be another boring range spammer.
>>4138907The seethe will last for the entire lifetime of deltafagsSee also: Star Wars
>>4138822Should have been named "Evil!Dess theory is WRONG!", then. Or "Dess is not Chara!".
>>4138917Honestly Flowery is possible, guess it depends on much he's bothered by spoilers but he would be the least worst on that as well.
>>4138680>What are your expectations for 6? Right now I'm leaning into the dark world being just the castle town cliffs, and maybe the other unused classroom.>Itll probably be out earlier than we expectIf it really is that far and isn't too big, I guess it will release to later than June.>It surely cant be as lame as 5 wasAnon, no matter how some people may bitch when I say this, Deltarune lives through the side content.Chapter 6 is the one we have confirmed to not have almost all of the usual side content (good supporting characters, shadow crystal bosses, eggs, weird route variant), and the only side content we can still have might be shoved to 7 (pure crystal, twisted sword) or might not exist at all (aborted weird route). Even a potential pure crystal boss will probably be just Seam.Odds are 6 will be just a worse version of 4.>>4138683"One thing clarified" is a shit thing since we have so little of the game left, but if it is something actually relevant like finally explaining what THAT HORRIBLE DAY was it wouldn't be too bad.Toby also has the golden chance of surprising everyone with another kind of secret content since we're done with the eggs and crystals. Ideally it should involve a boss battle.
>>4138916Oh, sorry. Anyways I'm still looking forward to Deltarune.
>>4138913Frisk is getting into the next Smash, trust the plan.
>>4138920Even Chara was altered in Undertale, too, plus that's not clickbaity enough.
So what would happen if you fall INTO the dark fountain? Not light column/smoke stack seen in the Light World, but obsidian/rainbow thing seen in the Dark World. We never see the "base" of the Dark Fountain. It's always some platform on the side of it, and it clearly continues both above and below.
>>4138945You get shattered across time and space.
the survey program got everyone expecting a hometown massacre while I was expecting lancer to become a party member for real later in the game
>>4138976I did expect Lancer to be far more important than he ended up being. Quite a shame.
>>4138976Guess which prince from the dark is in Kris' pocket for WR!
>>4138993Not him since he hasn't been in his pocket since chapter 3
>>4138993the only one thats been in kris' pocket the whole time has been jevil.ralsei is more likely to appear in 7B than lancer.
Twisted Routebros... Toby's greatest warrior made fun of us again...https://youtu.be/UoWPfEltPqg
>>4139002>uh yeah bro the evil murder rape sword made with the rape ring and purified broken dreams will have absolutely zero relevance and just be a normal weapon.
>>4139006Yup, it being made by a super evil weapon + purified shadow crystal means nothing. Stop getting excited!
>>4139002Kino straight Kralsei ending.
>>4139002This shit is hilarious because it's straight up just the final sequence of Mina the Hollower
It's amusing to see twitter arguing about chekov guns and not the fact we have no clue what the main conflict of deltarune is 70% of the way into the story
>>4139024they're too scared to admit that markiplier was right and as of ch5 we still know fuck all about what's actually happening all the prophecy shit is borderline irrelevant as it either all happened off screen or is being actively withheld from us character motivations? never heard of 'em
>>4139024>Main conflictWe gotta get in the Shelter and beat the Knight dude!
>>4139026That clip was actually about poppy playtime or something like that, the deltarune version was an edit.>>4139027That's like the closest thing we have to a main conflict right now and the story still spends a huge ammount of time doing anything else even after the stakes got raised.And we don't even know what the motivation for opening dark fountains is.>Is it to let darkners like King take over?Nope, every other chapter villain had a different motivation.>Is it to start the Roaring?Nope, Ralsei specified it isn't, despite Roaring Knight being its title>Is it to Find Her (TM)?Again, we have no clue whatever the fuck happened to Dess despite how important she is to most lightner's backstories.Every canon attempt at explaining this is some "...police...sacrfice...next week..." tier vaguepost that is at the danger of being yet another red herring.
>>4139024We don't have a definitive answer of what the main conflict is but we have many things that are conflicts.>>4139026>all the prophecy shit is borderline irrelevant as it either all happened off screen or is being actively withheld from usWhat the fuck are you talking about? Susie being the girl didn't "happen offscreen", it's an explanation for several other things she's gone through recently.
>>4139030>we have many things that are conflictsLike?And you say this as if it wasn't an incredibly bloated way to tell a story.
>>4139029>And we don't even know what the motivation for opening dark fountains is.To control the means by which the prophecy is enacted.The festival has a queen. The prophecy calls for a queen, and not a queen of information or intelligence or what have you. Cyber world was thus likely opened to give us a queen whose chariot couldn't be stopped, because otherwise the prophecy would default to making the "queen" the festival queen, which would make her "chariot that couldn't be stopped" a foretelling of a car accident and not a giant dark world mecha.
>>4139029i know he was actually talking about poppy playtime, but the reason why people seethe so much about it is because 90% of it also applies to deltarune
>>4139030>susie being the girlhow presumptuous, we don't know if she is or not susie is A girl, but possibly not THE girl
>>4139006This but unironically.
>>4139024Undertale didn't have this issue btw.
>>4139032Original form of the story trying to reassert itself past Gaster's shenanigans.Kris trying to play the prophecy while also trying to keep us in the dark so we're easier to keep on track.Ralsei trying to help Kris without being fully informed of what he's doing.The Holiday Administration presumably trying to bring Dess back for real.Noelle trying to achieve [FREEDOM]>And you say this as if it wasn't an incredibly bloated way to tell a story.I don't think it's any worse than Undertale, even though it's gone on longer.
>>4139030The main issue is all the future prophecies are hidden from us or vagueposts.
>>4139041And? Knowing the mechanics of the prophecy and that it can be gamed is much more important information than knowing the exact wording of some future event but not being sure how much you can do about it.
>>4139038the advantage of releasing a story all at once and not being scared of people predicting you shit before you get to it years later
>>4139038It did, you just didn't notice because the period where you weren't supposed to be able to solve it yet was shorter.>but Asriel's name was dataminedOkay, was "Asriel was revived as a soulless husk" also datamined? No? Then Flowey wasn't as spoiled as the Knight would have to be to avoid this "issue".
>>4139040>headcanon that may or may not turn canon>headcanon that may or may not turn canon>interesting but why did it take 5 chapters to properly explain this>headcanon that may or may not turn canon>motivations for weird route actions have already been flipped around multiple times but they totally won't be flipped again, trust me>I don't think it's any worse than Undertale, even though it's gone on longer.Most of the main conflict was laid out plainly in the very short Ruins demo, and most of the side conflicts get solved fairly quickly.
Don't you think you're all taking this game too seriously?
>>4139049noand this is what ralsei is wearing when he gives kris the 12 inches
>>4139049Maybe Toby shouldn't have taken the game so seriously, then, and just kept us with the Chapter 1 demo for the proceeding 10-15 years after it came out.But alas, he sold merch for a demo not even two weeks later, the merch sold like crazy, and that meant he needed more faggy Ralsei plushies and quirky Darkners to make dogshit merchandise out of.
>>4139038UT circumvented this issue because it's main plot and main goal were kind of separate so even if one lulled, the other was there. You have the main story building up in the background but the main goal of leaving the underground was always very clear and there was nothing to question about it.
>>4139049Anon, if Deltarune fucks up we're NEVER getting another shot at "Undertale but bigger and with a budget".Plus, this shit is going to influence like a whole decade of derivatives, including the bad parts.
>>4139051Spoken like a man with no girlfriend.>>4139053It's fine. Clod, make me a Deltarune but as Undertale and with a more satisfying story. And make a few mistakes to add sovl.
>>4139048>the exact shape of this conflict has not been acknowledged directly and explicitly in the text therefore there's nothing here until proven otherwiseCome on man.>Most of the main conflict was laid out plainly in the very short Ruins demo,The main conflict as laid out in the Ruins demo is some nonsense about how either you agree with Flowey that everyone is out to get you and you ought to return the favor, or you want to prove him wrong. The conflict of the full game is trying to fix Flowey's (and by extension Chara's) complexes. Getting out of the underground is a symbolic goal.
>>4139053On a gameplay level, Undertale was kind of an incoherent mess that failed to build on pretty much any of the mechanics it presented for longer than five minutes, so I think Deltarune is a perfectly fine follow up to that.
>>4139052And with Deltarune, your underlying goal, even if you've forgotten it, is to create a new future. So far nothing we've done has given us any idea that we're actually succeeding in this because of how hard the game is hammering in "your choices don't matter", it just creates this snorefest where you know that, yeah, you won't make that new future until you achieve the flags that set you on the Golden Ending path, THEN the narrative will arbitrarily decide your choices matter and everyone claps.
>>4139038That 2013 demo reveals a shocking amount of things. Deltarune would have not done something like Flowey revealing he had the power to save and load the game that early.>>4139047Flowey straight up calls himself a prince. It would be a stretch to predict the whole thing, but the foundations were all there>Toriel is heavily implied to have lost a child because of the story context up to that point>Asgore is shown to be a horned monster in the trailer>His divided demeanor between a kind King and a murderer was already laid our there subtly>Asriel name dataminedMeanwhile compare all this to "Dess is barely mentioned, and any possible buildup only makes sense with hindsight" from Chapter 1.>>4139052Undertale had the advantage of the main conflict being "get from point A to point B while avoiding monsters trying to get you", so as long Frisk is moving forward and getting past his foes the main story is moving.
Database consumption fandom.
>>4139060>Getting out of the underground is a symbolic goal.God I wanna punch every literature teacher to death.
>>4139060The conflict for the player and the conflict for the player character are purposefully exclusive until they come together near the end.
>>4139066>Database consumption fandom.God I wanna punch every literature teacher to death.
>>4139064Hence the issue of tob subverting his own subversion and just making a regular video game.
>>4139065>It would be a stretch to predict the whole thing, but the foundations were all thereAnd with just the chapter 1 demo we have a conspicuous missing character from the most conspicuous family in the game, representing nobody we saw in Undertale. We have the unused text. We have the basic premise of another world where your form is different and things are emotionally driven. The exact sequence of events connecting Flowey and Asriel was as clear from the demo as the sequence of events connecting the Knight to Dess.
>>4139049>ralsei with shoes oncursed brimstone image from nigger hell
>>4139071This is like the 5th time Toby subverted his subversion. And we'll likely get at least two more with the end game.
Honestly i'm fine with things being vague because Kris canonically doesn't want you to learn things, for example Kris manipulates Tenna to not tell anythingThe real problem is when things outside of Kris control happens, like THAT DAY
>>4139067>I hate when people actually pay attention to stories>shit just happens because that's what's supposed to happen and anyone who wants to know more is evil
>>4139080Because Asgore absolutely has every reason to want to re-traumatize his child by going into great length about the event that completely mindraped everyone, tore two families apart and cast a permanent shadow over Hometown, the event that Kris feels EXCESSIVE guilt over, whether for believing he caused it, ACTUALLY having caused it, or a mean case of survivor's guilt.
*coughs*t-tobert i- i implore you, drop at least another shity doodle for halloween
>>4139083It wouldn't have killed anyone if Asgore at least namedrop Dess once, keep the dialogue the same just mention her name and the scene would be a huuuuuge improvement
>>4139075>conspicuous missing character from the most conspicuous family in the gameWe had NO CLUE Dess was missing in chapter 1, or that anything noteworthy had happened around her.The text there might as well be talking about how she went to college.The holidays are also mostly irrelevant in ch1 besides the fact they all have face sprites and sound bits.Noelle has a single obligatory interaction in the classroom (alongside Berdly) and that's it. Not even Lost Girl gets introduced as a leitmotif there, one of the most important in the whole game.And even by chapter 2 we weren't sure if she had died or was just missing.Flowey and Toriel were both the most important characters in the Ruins and they talk a lot about themselves.>We have the unused textThat could be ANYONE by that point. There is nothing identifiable there. That's not the same thing as Flowey calling himself a prince.>the basic premise of another world where your form is different and things are emotionally drivenWe were confused for 3 years if the game was just going to be more Card Kingdom or not, and in the next 3 we thought each of these other worlds would be about "let's explore a different medium/aesthetic and make some observations about how our culture deals with them" and then it turned out the game wasn't about that.
>>4139085lollmao
>>4139082>the entire entertainment industry has to be dragged through the mud because of themes and such
>>4139086Nope, that gives too big a confirmed outline of what happened on THAT DAY before the Chapter 7 Lederdump. Everything has to be wrapped in plausible deniability or fandom hallucinations, nothing is allowed to be for certain.
>Ramb casually reveals King and Queen were Kris and Noelle's childhood toys, completely changing the understanding of the previous chapters>Susie doesn't give a shit and never acknowledges thisI think the reason behind the vagueposting is that the whole plot depends on "Susie has no clue what's going on until the last minute" and her learning too much early would make the whole story fall apart.
>>4139086For real. We know so little about That Day™ it's laughable. We can't even name a single hard fact about it.
>>4139094we can, actually we know for a fact that kris was there
>>4139094All we know for sure is that>Knight was there/born there, due to the black shards discovered>Asgore was there to discover the shards>Kris was probably there given his overwhelming guilt, the promise, and the fact Asgore knows that Kris can seal fountains, which he absolutely did not learn about from Flowery who was entirely centered on keeping Asgore in delusional fantasy land for as long as possible rather than genuinely helping him with his THAT DAY obsessionsAnd that's it.
>>4139049...Wait.Ralsei is a shapeshifter made of fluid darkness.Why is "being a princess" a wish for him? Just shapeshift into it.
>>4139088I have known Dess was missing and not just at college since chapter one. The Holidays are another humanoid horned monster family. Berdly had a speech sound and an obligatory interaction, but Noelle did that while also ticking similar boxes to a Boss Monster. >Flowey and Toriel were both the most important characters in the Ruins and they talk a lot about themselves.That boils down to any given area of Undertale being much more self contained.>That could be ANYONE by that point. There is nothing identifiable there.And there's nothing to let you make the leap about what exactly happened to turn the prince into a flower who feels no empathy either.>We were confused for 3 years if the game was just going to be more Card Kingdom or notI think the people who were convinced card kingdom would be coming back in any capacity were ignoring the narrative purpose of seeing it in the light world.>let's explore a different medium/aesthetic and make some observations about how our culture deals with themThe rotation of media/aesthetics used as inspiration wound up true, it just wasn't as much of a focus as people thought it would be.
>>4139090>acknowledging that things happen for reasons in every story is dragging the entire entertainment industry through the mud
>>4139096Nope. We know Kris and Noelle were traumatized by it, but we don't know if he was there. We know Asgore came there later to collect a shard, but we don't know if he present during the events of That Day™.
>>4139098Because he's autistic about following the rules. The prophecy demands a Prince, so he must remain a prince until the prophecy is fulfilled and can only "pretend" to be a princess, or a horse, or some other nonsense in his journey to self-discover, then he no longer has to care about the rules since the rules have been lifted.
>>4139102does asgore's wording not state that kris was present on THAT DAY, even with his vagueposting?
>>4139105He's being pedantic and ignoring details, like the fact Asgore knows Kris can seal fountains. He doesn't say that's a thing ANYONE can do, he says it's a KRIS thing, which inherently requires Kris to have been there for the Original Dark Fountain so he could seal it.
>>4139094We kinda do, but for some reason toby decided to put the Knight came before the heroes dialogue as optional
>>4139105No.>>4139106That's an assumption most theorists don't make and doesn't make much sense. Kris needs the red soul in order to seal fountains. He didn't have it back then.
>>4139091But he did with Mew, like people meme about the lore patch, but this one was a good vagueposting
>>4139100>I have known Dess was missing and not just at college since chapter oneGive your arguments using EXCLUSIVELY chapter 1 information, absolutely no hindsight allowed.>That boils down to any given area of Undertale being much more self contained.Yet UT actually bothered with making everything feel connected with how all major future characters always have some sort of presence BEFORE they show up AND they also constantly call back to previous characters.>And there's nothing to let you make the leap about what exactly happened to turn the prince into a flower who feels no empathy either.I'm not talking about theorycrafting here, I'm talking about setting up the story properly. Flowey was very obviously a major antagonist since the start, Dess might as well have been a random in hometown like many others.>I think the people who were convinced card kingdom would be coming back in any capacity were ignoring the narrative purpose of seeing it in the light world.Chapter 1 never bothered making the nature of the dark worlds explicit the same way the Ruins did for the Underground.>The rotation of media/aesthetics used as inspiration wound up true,A TV world in Toriel's house that features almost nothing about TV or Toriel's house.>it just wasn't as much of a focus as people thought it would be.Despite the fact it was a huge thing for chapter 2, but now I guess it was just a consequence of Toby happening to be more knowledgeable about internet culture than anything else.
"Susie has no clue what's going on until the last minute" Is not a good story. It is actively making the story worse.
>>4139116erm, it's called an idiot plot, which is a historic writing technique
>>4139116Why? Am I supposed to care about Susie's perspective?
>>4139111>He didn't have it back then.We don't know that. We know literally nothing about the past aside from Kris's overwhelming guilt and the promise he made Mystery Caller, who might not even be Knight.
>>4139116Not justifying it or saying it was setup well, but I'm convinced the whole point of Deltarune's story is "what if I deconstructed the traditional teen wish fulfillment JRPG story" but we watch it unfold from the POV of a side character in the party and not the self insertable protagonist.
>>4139121Susie is the real Toby self-insert, a retarded hack who gets everything handed to her on a silver platter for doing the most basic things, is coddled by everyone around her, and throws constant "oh woe is me" pity parties that everyone eats up and supports her through, with the validity of these reasons for woe being completely dubious..
>>4139126nah, she is his ideal manic pixie dream girlfriend, which is one of the reasons the set up doesn't really work
>>4139118its the only perspective the game allows you to care about, because the game does not value the player's perspective in the slightest>>4139121ROPE
>>4139133>ROPEyeah that's what this game makes me wanna do since last year
>>4139047We knew Frisk's goal, leaving the underground. We knew Asgore’s goal, getting seven human souls to break the barrier. We still don't know what the Knight wants or Kris.
Asgore was present during the chapter 2 dark world. We know this because he found a black shard there.
>>4139138asgore showed up after the fountain had closedthere is zero indication that he was in cyber world, if he was queen would've 100% clocked in on him
>>4139139Correct. That's why we also have no evidence Asgore was present during That Day. He might have just explored the scene afterwards.
>>4139065You could argue that as long as you're sealing the fountains you're moving the main plot of Deltarune too.
>>4139136>KnightObviously not sound of mind considering it remorselessly kills Darkners, even ones it has no reason to kill, and delights in mocking and tormenting literal children. It could very well be as simple as "yes, it DOES want to cause The Roaring hence its title" but can only start it as soon as the prophecy permits it, because the prophecy expects all the Pre-Roaring criteria to be fulfilled first before Knight can rip open those fountains. It just had to wait all this time because the Prince Alone in Deepest Dark didn't exist yet, and no one in Hometown fit the bill because Asriel fucked off before a Girl of Hope could arrive. And given how Ralsei in Chapter 2 acts like it's been literal years since he's last seen Kris and Susie, given how he knows (You)'re watching them by looking at the screen during Legend of Tenna, given how he somehow knows what happened in the Light World to be relieved that Kris is OK when you "abort" Weird Route in Chapter 5, it's possible Ralsei truly didn't exist until he first appeared in Castle Town because he's on some meta bullshit, so without him, there was never a viable Lonely Prince, and obviously Noelle's mindraped state meant there were no girls with hope crossed on their heart until Susie came.
>>4139094We know a Dark World was involved.
>>4139133The game is mostly about Kris and THAT DAY. Suz doesn't matter.
>>4139098>Ralsei is [headcanon]
>>4139116If Susie says that she knew there was something sussy with Kris but refused to acknowledge because it would ruin their friendship, that would be an okay excuse
>>4139144>Obviously not sound of mind considering it remorselessly kills Darkners, even ones it has no reason to killYou can't kill objects and Darkners have no rights anyway.>delights in mocking and tormenting literal childrenLiterally me and I'm sound of mind.
>>4139142Creating and sealing fountains is completely pointless, though. Progression happens via kidnappings and shelter codes, which don't require them.
>>4139148Play the game.
>>4139100Noelle was also part of Gaster's SPECIAL list. I remember Angel Noellefags existing even back then.
>>4139148He literally shapeshifts into a full-on plushie for his ACTs against Tenna and Pink, and there's no "it's just a costume!" plausible deniability like the horse form.
>>4139118Susie is the only way we can know things.
>>4139142Sealing fountains is justified because of the potential danger to the lightners getting into them, but creating the fountains at the moment is wacky.Kris had opened at least two of them for currently unknown reasons, and we also don't know what's the Knight's endgame with them.
>>4139158That hasn't been the case since chapter 4, where she hides information from the player.
This is not the game game that was released this summer. Not even close. They are unrecognizable.
>>4139158She isn't, she stopped asking meaningful questions after Ralsei promised he'd stop hiding shit from her. Toby realized he wrote himself into a "oh no, I have to reveal the story before chapter 7!" corner with that character development, so he resolved it by making it so now Susie doesn't really care anymore, just like how she stopped caring about Knight, just like how she keeps finding reasons to be in denial over Kris being a FUCKING TRAITOR, just like how she stopped caring about the kidnapping victims, just like how she stopped caring about anything other than being a badass (nonviolent) hero and Noelle's heartbeat.
>>4139158>NOWHERE>Mantle>everything about Noelle past the social maskSure thing, bud.
>>4139157NTA but for Tenna I thought it was just him using his TV Magic to pull this sort of stuff, but the Pink one was really weird.
>>4139078>the ending reiterates the point that in most games, you don't make decisions or your decisions don't matterBRAVO, MISTER FOX
>>4139162and the game doesn't even let you TRY and ask meaningful questions
>Asgore, this THAT DAY of yours...>it can't be just your thing anymore
>>4139154Yes but sealing fountains is our stated goal.
Toby forgot that in JRPGs clearing dungeons gives you 1 of 7 mcguffins necessary to save the world. Even Mother 3 did it. Without that, the dungeons are narratively pointless.
>>4139161>Kris is 1:1>Susie has her eyes hidden>Ralsei is being politically problematic>same UI>fighting a legacy character (he appeared in tenna's world i think)>dark fount in the backgroundSeems pretty recognizable to me
>>4139157It's a gag.
>>4139114>Give your arguments using EXCLUSIVELY chapter 1 information, absolutely no hindsight allowed.The way the town talks about Asriel should be mirrored for anyone in the same situation as Asriel. A missing character nobody talks about sounds like shenanigans, not just a troublemaker who's also off in college.>UT actually bothered with making everything feel connected with how all major future characters always have some sort of presence BEFORE they show upFor the five minutes before they show up in some cases, but yes. Undertale shifts gears very quickly. The references to old areas also kind of evaporate if you killed papyrus.>Flowey was very obviously a major antagonist since the start, Dess might as well have been a random in hometown like many others.Oh, in that case I don't think lacking a face/name to our major antagonist from the start is a bad thing, and likewise don't think that Undertale making Flowey a clear antagonist was particularly good. It was just a choice.>Chapter 1 never bothered making the nature of the dark worlds explicit the same way the Ruins did for the Underground.The nature of the dark worlds has always been the most interesting thing about them. People who weren't engaged enough to cotton on even after the curtain was pulled back and the trick was revealed are probably not the target audience.>A TV world in Toriel's house that features almost nothing about TV or Toriel's house.It features how Kris feels about TV and many things within Toriel's house, cast through the lens of Kris cooperating with the ruler of the dark world in an effort to hide as much as possible.>it was a huge thing for chapter 2It was only really a huge thing for Queen, who was trying to justify her existence and authority with her opinions on what people use the internet for. The rest is mostly general commentary on escapism as the dark worlds have consistently been used for from the start.
>>4139165>needing 10+ years just to convey a basic message about the limited nature of interactive storytelling that Dragon Quest 1 accomplished over 35 years ago with a few lines of dialogue that served as a cheeky joke about choice futilityactual fucking hack fraud
>>4139169Yeah, because hes either an idiot or actively malicious
>>4139169Yeah because he hates YOU in particular. He heard you liked Dragon Quest growing up, too...
Re-reading some old newsletter and fuck, i know Seam boss fight is kinda popular but>like broken dreamsDoes Seam have a shadow crystal, it kinda makes sense since he's so doompilled and maybe that formed a crystal
>>4139169>Without that, the dungeons are narratively pointless.Hmm... perhaps this means that the game being arranged around seven sequential challenges that have to be dungeons is also narratively pointless...?
>>4139178I think I've said even before 3/4 that Jevil's shadow crystal might have come from Seam.That could have been how he tricked him into the jail cell, besides the bet he made.
>>4139171Gags often come back in serious ways with Toby's writing.Chapter 2 opened with a gag payoff to Chapter 1's stinger, but then Chapter 2 ended with a reveal that Kris was ABSOLUTELY doing shady shit alongside eating pie and only ate the pie to fool the player.Queen's worries over Noelle getting lost and noclipping were a joke, yes, but then that legitimately happens in Weird Routte.Susie's "lake... skip!" was just a silly friendship moment, but then that got recontextualized as using the lake to skip Chapter 5 and 6 in Weird Route."Oh yeah, Flowery told me." about the menu UI being diegetic was to hold back further more important details for Chapter 7.
>>4139169maybe the friends were the macguffins we made along the way
>>4139178Perhaps. He's at least familiar enough with broken dreams to make the Twisted Sword, which is telling.
>>4139182Also, Thrash Machine. It was a pure gag in Chapter 1, the gag was reprised in Chapter 2 against Rouxls, and then it suddenly became the serious means by which to fight GIGA Queen.
>>4139176sounds familiarat least the first time this happened, the person coming in to ruin the game was portrayed as a fucking virus
>>4139178There's also that weird part about their ripped tail, too.
>>4139157Ralsei should just shapeshift as the angel and prevent the prophecy, god he's so dumb
>>4139181Oh right, Seam also has a key piece to enter Jevil cell, that cat for sure is hiding a crystal
>>4139190He can only pretend to be the angel, that won't make him the ACTUAL angel. The moment he abandons his role as Prince while the prophecy is still in effect, the whole thing falls apart, and that means he breaks the rules, and from how he frames it, breaking the rules means EVERYTHING gets uber raped 100x worse than The Roaring.That's why his shapeshifting keeps him as "Ralsei", because he retains his Princely status, so it doesn't count as breaking the rules.
>>4139193Is that so? The prophecy doesnt need non violent heros to fill its roles and ruin everything because theyre cowards
>>4139194What part of the prophecy says the heroes MUST kill everyone that stands in their way?
>>4139062>On a gameplay level, Undertale was kind of an incoherent messThe main problem with Undertale's combat is that the balancing is horrible so that the pacifist route is possible, in a way that makes violent neutral very easy to play.Otherwise, I don't see the problem. Shit like the equipable gear was actually better in UT than DR.
>>4139193Ralsei should just shapeshift as Gaster and re-write Deltarune, he's so dumb
>>4139195The part that wants to save itself from being more pacislop to sell instead of a normal jrpg
>>4139198Invoking he who must not be named or shown will cause the game to reset, that wouldn't work either.
>>4139200why is g man so cagey anyways
>>4139176>[Toby Fox] hates YOU in particularAlright, we've been doing this dance for over a year so far.Toby took a very traditional and formula and decided to deconstruct it, without ever properly advertising he was doing that.I don't think he hates JRPGs but he definitely has some degree of discomfort with them, given some of his interviews. No one can make a genre parody with some degree of contempt for the genre.He may be not targeting one guy in particular, but he is rugpulling many kinds of nerds out there who take this stuff like a lifestyle (me included), of course they will feel personally pissed off.
>>4139196No, the main problem with Undertale's combat is that a skill based minigame where you can invalidate all the damage you might take renders the RPG part of your RPG pointless.
>>4139211Oh you're that one retard from months ago.
>>4139204fr frI bet he's writing with one hand, furiously jacking off as he insults a whole genre while dining with its forefathers
>>4139204>Toby took a very traditional and formula and decided to deconstruct it, without ever properly advertising he was doing that.He properly advertised he was doing that. You are presented the prophecy in character, in a diegetic manner, by a character who you can easily speculate just from chapter one has an agenda of his own. You see this character immediately get caught off guard by other characters, protagonists and antagonists both, who progress without "following the script" perfectly.The message here was pretty clear. The story isn't going to give the proper gravity to the standard formulaic elements of the genre. It'll move on anyway.
>>4139211Blame Super Mario RPG then, that's where the whole conceit of "invalidate the raw numbers" comes from since Paper Mario was originally a SMRPG sequel, and then Mario & Luigi was inspired by both.
>>4139225Well, in SMRPG and Paper Mario you only have stat-based blocks. TTYD has superguarding, but frame perfect inputs are a far cry from the difficulty of any Undertale or Deltarune bullet pattern. The concept of applying RPG stats to non-RPG gameplay systems isn't unique to Undertale and Mario.
>>4139201He doesn't exist anymore so he can't be named.
>>4139234I was mentioning them to lead into Mario & Luigi, which allows you to totally avoid damage just by playing dodging minigames, just like Undertale, and M&L was ultimately inspired by SMRPG's Timed Hits/Blocks mechanic.
>>4139223I was also talking about Undertale there.>He properly advertised he was doing thatYeah I know you're gonna say "but it was always called 'the RPG nobody has to die' in the marketing" but what you fail to see is that this just advertises a gimmick that was already common by them.We had no shortage of webcomics doing "what if we applied real life logic to video games" with all the jokes about mario doing drugs and such.UT does that a lot with gags like most shopkeepers refusing to buy your items, or Napstablook pretending to get hit and so on. But there was nothing that advertised the whole deal with Flowey, the genocide route, Alphys's arc, all of this not quirky jokes but very scathing take downs of the ethos behind nerd/otaku culture.Deltarune as well put a lot of effort early on into pretending to be a fandom pandering sequel to Undertale and how it played out (UT had a very formulaic structure, don't forget that), only to dunk hard on that expectation once the paid chapters started to be released.
>>4139211>Powerups are pointless in platformers and shmups because you can always dodge everything and make them irrelevantThis is how retarded you sound.
>>4139241Yeah, and M&L suffers from a similar problem to Undertale and Deltarune where the best equipment ends up being whatever maximizes your outgoing numbers. After all, incoming numbers won't really matter once you're good at the game, and only the hardest stuff in the game will hit you often enough to make that stance worth reconsidering.
>>4139246No, it's more like "what if I could skip this platforming challenging by doing basic math?" or "what if I could beat this enemy and still get the bonus points for a clear with no deaths or bombs by playing a rhythm game?"
>>4139094We don't even know if Kris slleps on the correct side of the room or not
>>4139223Cool. Finger on dragon quest, he should lose the finger. The Japanese don't take that lightly. I'm the least of Toby's problems, he should worry about them and what they could do to him
>>4139261There's a lot of things suggesting that Kris's side is indeed the one we know.
>>4139265He'll RAPE dragon quest and RAPE you too. Just like he somehow RAPED Final Fantasy and Pokemon years before he had any fame or power.
>>4139275And you celebrate. What does that say about you, in the rpg thread?
>>4139275He already raped Dragon Quest, when the PS2 version of DQ4 allowed you to redeem and save Psaro.
>>4139275all right mr. "you're raped", why not switch things up a bit and tells us why do you personally think the new chapters were a great follow up to 1-2?
was chapter 5 peak rape or is the rape just beginning here?
>>4139309Just beginning.
>>4139309technically the rape was in ch4, it was just unclear who the rapee was
>>4139309>chapter 5 peak rapeDepends on your mindset.Chapter 3 raped me so hard I just feel increasingly numb with every new chapter, but most fans were clueless about what was really being told there or just didn't care.Chapter 5 was only rape for people seriously expecting this story to be well told.>is the rape just beginning here?I'm scared to think how hard the 6-7-7b rapewill go. He might go balls deep no lube in ways not even the most jaded doomposter could predict.
>>4139309The rape was actually all the way back in Chapter 1, because the game did such a good job of hooking all of us that we became invested in where it went before we even knew what the fuck would come of it.But the rape didn't start moving proper until 3+4, when the seeds of doubt were planted proper.
>>4139303At least the game kept that to the postgame.
>>4139320Like it's somehow dirty and shameful to make a redeemable character? Lmao
>>4139321It's the exact subversive trash Toby would pull, set up this guy as your final boss, yes his story is tragic but he's also the new demon king who wants to corrupt the world into hell for humanity and paradise for monsters who in Dragon Quest often love to torture humans to delight in their suffering instead of plainly killing them.
>>4139321What I meant, is the actual story of dragon quest 4 was kept for the main game.
>>4139316>Chapter 1 gave us candy and invited us to the van>Chapter 2 gropped our asses (pie fake out) but offered even more candy>Chapters 3 and 4 were the rape>Chapter 5 was the after rape cuddling and a bit more candy
>>4139325>Chapter 6 is when the rapist gets bored and starts trafficking us into the system>Chapter 7 is when we get shipped to a third world shithole, right into Jeffrey Epstein's secret Fortnite Lair>Chapter 7B is when the cannibal blood orgy sacrifices to Baal and Moloch begin
>>4139329>you fucking retarded goy, I ordered for CHILDREN not manchildren
>>4139329Why didn't you mention Allah, you love talking rape so much
>>4139334That's Aborted Weird Route, where we get intercepted by Mossad and are beheaded for our infidelity.
>>4139321CoL is jewish, he hates redemption.
I have a "not the favorite child" complex with deltarunesome types of fans like fujos and dykes get pandered all the time but toby didn't give in to schizoboss fags like me not even once
Hmofagods got cheated
hfofachads are waiting with baited breath
Fucking Toby subverted his cock into my ass with his paci-cumshittery, this fucker I'd like to kill him. He ruined the games industry with his bullshit, I can't even play dragon quest or final fantasy anymore without his fucking meta bullshit fucking cock fucking dogshit
Hmofagods will make a better game in deltarune yellow
>>4139347I can. Doesn't make deltarune suck less
I believe in the power of this visionary to deliver.
anyone else feels rapeposting got weird?
>>4139354this thread sure took a weird route, huh
>>4139345>>4139348Raped. Yellow x Blue is canon btw.
>>4139358Did you ever consider that I dont care, you fucking degenerate faggot?
>>4139357>reddit postOutside of that, not that bad. It could be some sort of Dess projection. Also fits with Live a Life where the Dark Knight was also a fake cast by the mage, too.
Robert "Radiation" Fox raped Anon in the sweltering summer of '25
>>4139359You're a rape victim. Blue won.
>>4139357we haven't seen noelle's bullet patterns yet
>>4139357the knight turning into static after being defeated always made me wonder if that was just a hologram of some kind
>>4139363>um, i didnt like the game very much, im just gonna play a different game>RAPE, RAPE, RAAAAAAAPE
>>4139366sorry anon, rape franchise, get used to it
>>4139367marriage.
>um, i didnt like the game very much, im just gonna play a different game>RAPE, RAPE, RAAAAAAAPE
we discuss rape, yet we never mention the person who will be gang raped by at least half of the fandom after deltarune wraps up
>>4139371good, the muslims can have him first
them
>>4139374Kris will never have this...Because they don't want to!
>>4139371Why do you think he fled for Japan to live a reclusive life as a beloved foreign gamedev?
>>4139374Sexual assault. Kill this fucker
>>4139379You joke, but somewhere in this sad world some poor guy definitely got sued for doing this exact same thing to someone they liked... and the name of that guy was Toby Fox.And so Suselle was born... And then the world was covered in darkness.
>>4139376good thing someone else can do it for him
>>4139378how did japs react to the new chapters besides making more artwork anyway?
the japanese version of deltarune doesn't mention dess hitting kris with a wiffle bat btw
>>4139389>Big Sister DiceAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
The Japanese would give us doe and boye
so who will be the deltarune alumni who will go on to massive success like how toby was to homestuck? just temmie?
>>4139392the japanese would give us buck and gorl
>>4139393yeahtemmie will finish her game series then make a 'totally not deltarune' game that surpasses toby in every regard
>>4139396>more walking simulatorsyawn
The soul is just a representation of Kris"s schizophrenia
Freedom is just a thing for Big Shots Penumbra Phantasm The World Revolving
Human cock in Noelle's doe pussy
>going back in time to early 2025>showing anons screenshots of current deltarune discussionwhat would they think of us?
>>4139415>CoL was right
>>4139418>/ll/ lolidom selfcest zamn
>Kris keeps his eyes open and looks at the lake scene the whole time What a cuck
>>4139415>how the fuck is CoL still there and getting crazier
>>4139334Because christfags rape more than muslims do. Usually little boys.>>4139343Spamton got so much pandering he literally became real.
>>4139428>well you know how you're supposed to ignore trolls? we all thought it would be super hilarious to respond to literally every single one of his posts
>>4139432Ok but has anyone ever seen a troll successfully get ignored and leaveI know that's supposed to be the play, but has anyone SEEN it
>>4139431Good shit, abdul
>>4139433No because YOU NEVER LEAVE THEM THE FUCK ALONE
>>4139431>Spamton got so much pandering he literally became real.Spamton wank isn't exactly the same thing as schizoboss wank.Schizowank is about getting new schizos mainly.
>>41394384 was the only one without schizos
>>4139439anon, all we got after spamton was two potential final bosses and two reheated undertale nachos
>>4139442Tenna and Flowery are also schizos even if you want to argue they're a more benign strain
Not enough people openly call for deltarune to be fixed
>>4139415>why aren't you guys posting on /v/? deltarune is barely a jrpg especially when it's a platformer this time
>>4139389Dess was secretly the demure one confirmed
>>4139446Fix what?
>>4139446Half the people who want it "fixed" would remove most of the fucking game, to be fair
>>4139451The elemental system, for oneAlong with making the dojo more valuableAlong with letting you pick your festival dateAlong with making the plot actually clear and dumping the vaguepostingAlong with expanding the weird route.Long fucking list.
>>4139452OK. Remove half the game, I didn't like the cuck scene, it was clearly written to groom children.
>>4139453None of this makes the game directly better on its own.
>>4139453And making berdly relevant instead of a suselle cuckAnd making the hometown characters actually care about people going missing>>4139458That's why you put it all together at the same time
>>4139456There is no cuck scene. Nothing in the game is written for children. You are mentally ill.
>>4139459All of this together is still without value. The elemental system is not valuable unless it contributes to something more than the generic "depth".
>>4139458Dragon Quest 5s remake added a third wife to pick. I consider three an improvement over two. Deltarune feels content in giving you zero, and I don't like that very much.
>>4139461Says the one who called dragon quest worthless, I don't have to listen to you
>>4139458the dojo letting us refight battles with bosses would be one of the best things since I keep a few files to refight bosses but it's annoying to erase them when I want to try something else
>>413946110000 cutscenes of flowers have no value
Another thing about DR is that there's no actual main theme song. In UT there was one, it was called Undertale. DR has a main motif but that's it, there is no definitive single theme song for the game.
>>4139453>finish the gameWow it's almost like they're doing that already or something wow wow wow
>>4139471They aren'tThey gave up on the weird route
>>4139462Oh so DQ5 is a cuck game for NTRfags, got it.
>>4139473Wrong. You get a wife for your character to marry. Don't you lie to me.
>>4139462Number of wives to pick is not a direct positive count.
>>4139475What would you know, you've sat here for months defending suselle
>>4139455>something something and she was a good friend.
Is it too much to ask to have a heterosexual couple for the main characters in a big game in 2026? Deltarune Fanbase would murder you for even suggesting it.But nah Toby definitely comes in peace right.
>>4139475If you hate gacha you hate video games
>>4139474You hate NTR but you defend it when it's you cucking not just one but two different women. Peak hypocrisy.
>>4139446fans will not "come out of the closet" about being frustrated with the game until it wraps upwe are currently in the phase of "next chapter could fix things, the game isn't finished yet" deniability
>>4139480>heterosexualI don't think Krissy likes Berdly that way, anon. She is more into dragons and deers.
>>4139483>we are currently in the phase of "next chapter cou8 years and counting!
>>4139484Kris is a boy.
>>4139482I have made it clear I don't want to sit in a chair watching girls kissI cannot promote it
>>4139484>dragons and deersSame difference
>>4139485Basically everyone was happy with chapter 1 and chapter 2 had very little criticism generally.This is something that only began last year and is getting worse.
>>4139486Source? Source? Do you have a source for that?
>>4139486>boySo this is the future you choose?
>>4139494Yes. That is the future I want. I have done this before and I loved it lets do it again.
>>4139492People hated 1 for destroying Krusie right at the end with Suselle and hated 2 for going all in on Suselle
>>4139497Suselle was mostly optional dialogue at that point and it was still reasonable to cope about it not happening
>>4139498>mostly optionalNow this is cope
>>4139498Nah I knew it was over when Noelle expressed the desire to make a chalk bento. Toby's yuri fetish is the one pattern that shouldn't have been ignored.
>>4139500Why is still allowed to make games then. Most gamers are heterosexual men.
>>4139501He's hiding from me. Burrowed into the dog hole like a gopher.
>>4139499The only obligatory Suselle bit in 1 was Noelle asking to go with Susie to the closet until Alphys cut her off. Anything else could be skipped.>>4139500I thought "please don't make Alphyne again, have Susie reject her for a change" back in 2018 but in 2021 I had already accepted it was over (but not 90% of /v/ for some reason).
>>4139492even back in the ch2 era people were complaining that ch2 fucked the tone set up in ch1, changing from (comparatively) darkish fantasy to undertale 2
>>4139501Actually
>>4139504Anon I WAS (and still am) one of the people saying this, but it wasn't a very vocal opinion.And now I fucking hate myself for complaining about SCC because oh dear I wish the game had kept doing that sort of stuff instead.
>>4139504>darkish fantasyFucking kek
>>4139509cherry picking
>>4139509(comparatively), anonof course there were goofy gags, it is toby fox after allbut card castle is treated fairly seriously, and there are a lot of portions in ch1 that are pure atmosphere kino that only mantle and some snippets of ch4 come close to
>>4139511>>4139512Actual cherrypicking is posting the Lancer vs Susie fight, the King fight, and maybe some of Jevil and saying that means chapter 1 was at a level of seriousness never again achieved in the game despite 2 WR, 3's Knight fight, 4's entire finale, and 5 WR. Deltarune has consistently been about 80% to 90% memes with only a bit of seriousness and that's as true for 1 as it is for the rest.
>>4139509I'll lash out like the old times:You guys still don't get what I was trying to say about 1 vs 2.Chapter 1 isn't "dark" but it had a gloomy atmosphere at several points, higher plot stakes compared to what Undertale was most of the time and it knew when to drop the silliness and treat things seriously.Then chapter 2 came along and completely changed the mood. The jokes are almost constant, everything is loud, there are very few instances where anyone takes the plot seriously. It didn't just go back to how UT was, it was far wackier than UT ever got.It's like if you went from a whimsical yet spooky fairy tale to a (good) episode of Fairly Oddparents. When things got bad for Lancer he ordered his soldiers to capture the party. When things got bad for Queen she told the party to look behind and ran away looking like a swastika.I'm still feeling let down by Deltarune never replicating what I felt with card kingdom but at least cyber world was enjoyable in it's own way, something the game also never replicated again.
>>4139515Again, that is just misrepresenting the point as usual.What 1 had was the ideal balance between serious and comedic that the rest of the game never had again.>WRWe're talking normal route here, weird route is a very different experience with the game like geno>3's Knight fight, >4's entire finaleMy whole issue with those (and some other points like MANTLE and sound of justice) is that they overshoot to the other side and are too much of a downer at the wrong point in the story.
>>4139001You forgot about MVP Original Star Walker
>>4139520>higher plot stakes compared to what Undertale was most of the time What. The game is goofy but it's literally life or death for a kid who's all alone. >and it knew when to drop the silliness and treat things seriously.So does every other chapter.>The jokes are almost constant, everything is loudOk so just like 1>there are very few instances where anyone takes the plot seriously. Ralsei is like the only one taking anything seriously until the prison and the King fight.>Fairly OddparentsIt's unironically more like going from a FOP episode that has a couple decent emotional hooks to a FOP episode that is slightly less focused on Timmy being depressed or whatever. Go play chapter 1 again, the parts you're talking about are bigger in your head than they are in the game.
>>4139522>they overshoot to the other side and are too much of a downer at the wrong point in the story.That's purely subjective, all your arguments rely on semantics and subjectivity to confirm your biases
>>4139098Because it's not his "wish". Ralsei's "original" form is genderless, and he became a male prince without thinking much about it, he just did it because it was his role in the prophecy. The same with tea, he claimed liked tea because he's supposed to.Now he's grown, gained self-worth and don't fear freedom as much, so he's exploring more possibilities. What is "himself"? Maybe he tastes cider and decides he likes it more than tea. Maybe he tries to be a princes and decides he still likes being a prince more.
>>4139148Anon, Chapter 5 is Ralsei chapter, and features shapeshifters heavily. Netskie show that darkners can shapeshift. Flowers show that super-darkners can decide their own form, and that Ralsei is also some kind of super-darkner.
>>4139523>side B hasnt had its final starwalker moment>non zero chance that toby takes this fact literally and gives starwalker something for 7b
>>4139528>Ralsei's "original" form is genderlessJust like humans
>>4139509Everyone thought King would mark the "okay, this isn't Undertale anymore, fucko, we're gonna do things different from now on" seeing as how Ralsei was taught that mercy isn't always going to be the answer.Now we have pacicuckoldry enforced on anything that's sapient.
>>4139525>What. The game is goofy but it's literally life or death for a kid who's all alone.Everyone except Flowey, Undyne and maybe Asgore is absurdly incompetent at trying to harm Frisk or has a really retarded reason for doing what they do.You don't really feel the thrill when Maddie is trying to kill him so she can be a store mannequin, the mood is way too goofy.>So does every other chapter.Were talking about 1 vs 2 here but whatever. 3 is more serious than 2 but at the cost of being profoundly cynical. 4 is just dull or depressing most of the time.>Ralsei is like the only one taking anything seriously until the prison and the King fight.Kris and Susie are running for their lives when Lancer is chasing them over the cliffs. Lancer is genuinely worried about how King will react to them. Seam is quite jaded about life. King may have little screen time but his presence is everywhere in the chapter with NPCs mentioning how he made everything worse.>Go play chapter 1 again, the parts you're talking about are bigger in your head than they are in the game.Of course things like major bosses are gonna be weighted more when judging a chapter, they are the main events of the story.It's the same old discussion again. I NEVER said 1 doesn't has jokes, I say it has restraint. 1 has way less things like a giant toilet in the map, Queen making car noises and Berdly believing her, Queen barely trying to capture the party and so on. The only moments (normal) 2 took itself seriously were some bits with Noelle and Kris, some bits with Spamton, and Ralsei explaining the Roaring. Otherwise it was just irreverent comedy all the way in, constantly.
>>4139526You want me to tally every joke and every serious moment to make my point?
>>4139532What the fuck are you talking about? Did you already forget Chapters 3 and 4 in your senility?Also Chapters 2 and 5, considering non-standard attacking modes.
>>4139532I'm still pissed off because I thought the "Deltarune isn't going to make you feel the way Undertale did" comment from Toby early on was referring to shit like King, about not hugging your way out of every problem in the story. Chapter 2 fucked with that perception but Spamton gave me hope we could get more things like that.Then the new chapters proceed to go ALL IN into this sort of stuff, while the exceptions are always "jerkass demon with no personality" or "black goo that has no mind", and the window for getting more characters like King is over because he decided to make more Queens (but even less menacing) and not a single other Jevil/Spamton like character.
>>4139536NTA but yeah, 3 and 4 weren't like UT, just not in the ways I wished and expected coming out of the demo.
>>4139538It's amazing how insecure Toby got over everyone calling it Undertale 2, we could've had Queen be a legitimate terror like what Jevil forewarned and the concept art showed but we just got Big FemLancer with internet memes because everyone was already calling Lancer "the next Papyrus".
>>4139538>Chapter 2 fucked with that perceptionWR tho
Legitimately: why haven't you genned your own DR continuation or knockoff already?
>>4139541"I'm glad people are finally seeing Deltarune as it's own thing" and then he proceeded to make the last two shadow crystal bosses be returning Undertale characters.>we could've had Queen be a legitimate terror like what Jevil forewarned and the concept art showedI'm split. I genuinely love shitposter Queen but she just isn't what I wanted after King. Creepy Queen would have been a much better follow up, but then Tenna (who stayed more or less the same since the concept art) would feel really out of place.>>4139542>WRAgain, it's a different experience from the normal route, even if I love Spamton supporting a massacre against his own kind. And 3-4-5 didn't live up to that anyway.
>>4139543I wanna get to that eventually but it will take like a decade away from my life.And my post ch1 and post ch2 desires for the game are completely different.
>>4139544We're all expecting a big epic final battle for NR 7 but what if it's just another meme guy
>>4139547With how thoroughly Knight's been humiliated by the narrative itself after Chapter 3, Knight will become the next Meme Guy.
Toby has always explored the same themes with every game he made, so it's no surprise that even Side B is about "getting stronger" like Geno was.
>>4139548Trashy Trio already began the process of Mikening the Knight>>4139547who the fuck knows how the actual Gaster will be like, he might even be a pirate
This behavior is beyond raped™
This behavior is going further beyond™
This behavior is based beyond belief™
>>4139551Can i just play a traditional fantasy rpg now?
This behavior is the bed bath and beyond™
This behavior is sans™
This behavior is [HALF PRICE IF YOU BUY NOW!]™
This behavior is gonna give you a bad time™
>>4139544i think tenna feeling really out of place would be a good thing gives ch3 more personality
>>41395663 only works because 2 was memey, if it wasn't then everyone would hate 3 for being an hours long shitpost bookended by a short serious ending
>>4139567in this hypothetical game where ch2 was darker, i'm certain that a lot of the shit cut from ch3 would've also been implemented, including whatever was supposed to be in that tv tower (likely an early form of mantle)
>>4139566>>4139567The appeal of 3 (for those who liked it) is mainly being a deconstruction of what 2 was about.That said, it's just hard to try to force the game into making sense because every chapter has something that makes it extremely different from all others.
>>4139569You mean this?
>>4139569>an early form of mantleAlpha MANTLE is probably the most intriguing scrapped concept right now because the S rank room only showed up later in development and the whole concept behind the chapter was it being a mario party style game instead of a zelda clone.Like, what the fuck was that whole thing supposed to be? Eram showing in person as a secret boss? Ramb or the Mikes holding the shadow mantle? Someone else entirely? And how would the weird route even tie into all this?
>>4139573it may have still been in the 8bit style as shown in the early teasersand we know it existed back then too, thanks to the first run of sweepstakes having a 'glaceir' page along with noelle mentioning the mage puzzle
>>4139576Toby did say the party game idea was scrapped very early on, but I assume he had already planned out things like secret bosses since he wrote the game after chapter 1.
>>4139357Gaster turned Dess into a fucking bullet pattern.
>>4139352What's this?
>>4139614Kriselle Chapter 0 mod (where Kris is a boy)
>>4139532>Now we have pacicuckoldry enforced on anything that's sapient.this is because susie is literally hijacking the plot to have her eternal fun time happy chamber.its only when she cant overpower something else (knight, gerson statue) or her being absent (CH2 WR) that we see what the story should really be like.this is going to bite susie during the ass sometime during 6/7.
>>4139616My beautiful evil wife...
>>4139366>crying and shitting that Deltarune isn't your hmofaslopYep, raped.
>>4139385The japs seem to really like the flowers, lots of accounts made exclusively for them.
>>4139392FemKris was always more popular there than here. They would give us more Krissoul instead
>>4139415They would call you a Susellfagtrannydoomer for explaining the festival.
>>4139431He's jewish, not christian. That doesn't work.
>>4139636This, I remember the constant talks about how the festival was the chapter where you would end up picking whatever route you wanted, like a fucking VN. So ridiculous, but they just wouldn't listen to reason.
>>4139458CoL aside the dojo would be a good improvement.
>>4139469We are obviously getting the theme song in later chapters bro.
>>4139503>(but not 90% of /v/ for some reason).Because a lot of people only liked Deltarune for the idea of dating furry girls here.
>>4139615>(where Kris is a boy)femkrissisters...
>>4139547It's going to be Gaster or Angel Noelle. Take your pick.
cant wait for ERAM to be another nothingburger
>>4139573Based on how important the sword is, it was probably still Zelda. Maybe it was more like the platformer mode in the OG.
>>4139644It'll be dragon Ralsei. He'll use a machine gun that he lights his blunt with.
>>4139642FemKrisbros have Goomy anyways.
>>4139638I remember the cope wherever it was mentioned Chapter 5 was going to release in yuri day.
>>4139634>Kris' only real options are Krissoul and Kralsei>They're losing both of them once the game is overDreemurr's sure are a lucky bunch aren't they?
>>4139469Don't forget!
So the titan has an unused sprite of it having cracks all over its body. It's hard for me to not believe the knight isn't a titan or a being of pure darkness and fair
>>4139659Kris could have another option depending on if Dess is found and saved or not
>>4139662Hasn't she done enough?
Apparently, there exists a sentiment that Blue is white washed in this T-shirt art.
>>4139668...Why? Because he's the same shade as Aqua?
>>4139668Is there someone who actually bought this shirt? All of the other ones have cool designs, but this is just garish. I think I'd only buy it if I really, REALLY liked the flowers and even then I wouldn't wear it in public
>>4139659There's Kressel if the Vessel has its own will and stays in Deltarune.
>>4139674they have both been molested by dess. they have a lot to bond over
The good ending
>>4139682>I'm just doing it for DessHow will Noelle recover?
>>4139687getting tonguefucked by susie?
>>4139688>getting tonguefucked by [obvious emotional substitute for Kris/Dess]You can already picture her hollow expression during sex.
>>4139691>hollow expressionSo, normal Noelle?
>>4139694Normal Noelle is default smiling doebeit?
>>4139699It is a fake smile
>>4139700Still better than not having one!
>>4139701Shut up Patrick Bateman
>>4139700>thinking anything weird route traumatized raped Noelle says matter for her true characterizationRetard.
>>4139703cope susie
>>4139703>can't handle the truthSusie?
>>4139703You're gonna be absolutely buttfucked when Noelle's facade shatters in Chapter 6 and she bricks your computer/console
>>4139703>Since Dess left... All I've been doing has just been... Marching down my path. Staying quiet. Getting good grades. It feels like... I've just been watching myself through glass. Watching someone else move me through my life. That's why I want... to do something crazy. That's why I want... to break free. But, I can't. I couldn't. Because I'm just Noelle.You, and your pet and parents, are the retard. This is the real Noelle.
>>4139709Since Andrew Hussie left... All I've been doing has just been... Marching down my path. Staying quiet. Making good games. It feels like... I've been watching myself through glass. Watching someone else move me through my life. That's why I want... To say something racist. That's why I want... To break free. But I can't. I couldn't. Because I'm just Toby fox. A Toby fox that has to do Toby things.
>>4139712Radiation...
>>4139638Why is it ridiculous that people want their main character to get with one of the girls? Why is that ridiculous?
>>4139715Wanting that isn't ridiculous.Expecting it in this context is.
>>4139715Because it required that all of the Suselle setup was leading to a rugpull and that you'd have any say in Kris' love life in the choices don't matter game despite it being hammered into you that you are not actually Kris.
>>4139717If I'm not Kris why should I give a shit?
>>4139715Which part of "Kris is going to die" don't you understand?
>>4139721Why KrisWhy not SusieKill her she sucksMake her do her homework at least
>>4139721>carol supported suselle the whole time
>>4139722>Why Kris>Why not SusieI believe that was the plan at first, and maybe even the Knight is counting on that, but Kris took the golden seeds for a reason. So my guess is that Kris decided to keep Susie alive and happy, since they don't feel worthy of love or think everyone would be happier without them.Of course, this is all my own headcanon. Hell, maybe Kris will manage to trick someone else into eating the seeds instead.
>>4139726Kris is seeking revenge for Onion-san. NormalNPC must die.
>>4139726>they don't feel worthy of love or think everyone would be happier without themall trueDeltarune is Susie's story first and foremost
>>4139728Cool why bother the player with this shitHow about letting the player be the hero for the first time in 10 yearsOh wait Robert and his goons are trying to destroy that Because they're cockroaches who openly came to destroy
>>4139731I hate when artists don't draw Kris with their canonical fiery hellish red eyes.
>>4139733>pic relHow dare she be jealous after stealing the childhood friend?
>>4139729Boo
>>4139729>How about letting the player be the hero for the first time in 10 yearsDamn I didn't know exactly 0 games where you're just the good guy have come out since undertale
>>4139729He's behind your window as we speak, telling the ninjas to finish the job. Will you fight for survival, Anon? For the truth? For the DELTARUNE you were promised 3000 years ago?
>>4139739I'll shoot if he tries it
>>4139740>Anon shoots his defenless 8 year old neighboor>dragged out by the cops screaming "DAMN YOU TOBY, LEAVE DRAGON QUEST ALONE YOU HACK"
Tony raped me o algo
>>4139742I 'member... that sweltering summer...
>>4139741The cops are more likely to shoot Robert one day. When the guns actually come out, the propagandists are rarely spared.
>>4139721That's Frisky
Why was tennas bossfight and ch3 in general so kino? Toby raped me by luring me in with ch3s music and presentation only to rape me with ch5
>>4139779>same anon, one year ago: "ch3 is a fucking slog, tenna is just spamton again, half the chapter is link's awakening and tv world is like two screens. Toby raped me by luring me in with ch2s music and presentation only to rape me with ch3"
>>4139781This too will happen with Chapter 5 in a year.
>>4139638>but they just wouldn't listen to reasonare those retards still around or did they all check out of the game?>>4139715It's ridiculous because this is a Toby Fox game and you should never ever expect this specific sort of wish fulfillment from him.
>>4139784Chad_Kris is still around last time I checked.
>>4139668toby has the fanbase he fostered
>>4139779Ch3 is good on a first play trough but is a complete slog on replays. I think Tenna's boss fight is pretty weak but that goes for pretty much all regular bosses, the fights are so tailored down to the point they become a glorified cut scene. The mantle secret boss fight is the best thing ch3 has to offer imo
>/v/ thread was allowed to reach bump limit and archive
>>4139788I love that almost every artist draws ERAM as just a shadowed little Kris.
Chapter 3 and 5 suck but 5 sucks more cocks and only has 3 redeeming characters
>>4139779I guess it was one of the few remnants of the original "party game collection chapter" concept.It's TV Time is also a glorious song, probably the time he leanest the hardest into the 80s-90s Nintendo wank and it's amazing.>>4139781Many people who liked 3-4 didn't like 5. There is more than one person here you know.
>>4139783And again the following year, when we decide Chapter 6 was peak due to being 100% filler-free.
>>4139792>3 redeeming charactersLet me guess, blue loli, Not-Rudy and robotnik
Simply swapping around 4 and 5 would have never let most of the current discourse take shape.Flower dark world fits well with the chapter 2 era mindset, and being a chapter that "feels fanmade" would have pleased the part of the fandom looking for that sort of stuff.Church dark world fits well as a transition into the more serious endgame, and people looking for more in depth thematic development would have been pleased (after getting a taste of that in 3).It doesn't solve everything but it solves a lot.
>>4139798>robotnikwho?
>>4139800Eggman
>>4139801You mean BALDY MCNOSEHAIR
>>4139799Meh.It means two chapters back to back centered around nostalgia and filler. Also, the "See? I'm smiling!" vibes of Ch5 doesn't work as well if the relevant characters don't have a reasont to be in denial. Knight made them angry and more resolute, but only the Prophecy could prep them up like that.
>>4139803the knight did the exact same shit it pulled in ch3, beat for beat the only difference is that instead of the party fighting and losing, it was flowery
>>4139804Again, the Knight wasn't the one that pushed everyone one step closer to denial. It's Legend "Nothing Changed" McProphecy who did the heavy lifting.
>>4139805Knight is ultimately just a tool of the prophecy to boot, which is why no one actually gives a shit about it after Chapter 4 and even the narrative itself is dunking on Knight.
>>4139803One of the main issues with 5 as it is and it's place in the story is that it DOESN'T acknowledge the denial enough.We know Susie is sleeping in a closet full of junk, but that whole ending scene was filled with sappy songs and a promise for more sappy romance.That's why I say the flower world would have been mostly fine as it is right after chapter 3. One half of the game is the quirkier dark worlds and the other half is the grittier ones, and the flower world would have been the goobye to all that.
>>4139806Meh2.If they really didn't care about the Prophecy, Susie wouldn't do a 180 after seeing the wondrous "Love find its way to the Girl" and final tragedy panels. Ralsei would probably be less abrasive towards Flowery too without loosening in 4, and less keen on "proving him wrong".>>4139807>That's why I say the flower world would have been mostly fine as it is right after chapter 3. One half of the game is the quirkier dark worlds and the other half is the grittier ones, and the flower world would have been the goobye to all that.Yes, I could see something like that.I think I like Ch5 precisely because it ressembles the earlier ones in concept (or literally in some places) but the characters have changed too much to enjoy it like before.
>>4139807i agree, but the problem will always be that ch3 was a pretty definitive 'goodbye' to the lighter first half of the game when tenna gets cut down by the knight right after deciding he'll learn to live and move on from the pasthonestly i know people here have mentioned it, but toby does not get enough flak for not letting anything stickreviving tenna was a bitch move, and as much as i love jack, him getting killed by the knight is a far better scene than getting rescued by the recruits it keeps the knight a threat and gives susie a real reason to hate it
4 and 5 could never be swapped because that breaks reverse Undertale.
>>4139812>because my pet theoryDessknighters...
The knight is a joke fr. Arrives, kills a darkner who we're gonna revive again later, makes some poses, kidnaps some guy, repeat 300 times, by chapter 25 there's gonna be one unkidnapped Lightner left in hometown and Susies still gonna be going "doods, we can't let the knight get away... Not this time.." and still nobody's gonna notice
>>4139815of course nobody will notice they're all kidnapped and have already made neo hometown in the shelter
>>4139815I like them. They have a job, do it, then leave.
>>4139815Alphys and Sans will be the only ones left because they're Hometown newcomers and thus don't deserve to be a part of the bunker society. Alphys will notice, she'll have a panic spiral, but then suddenly snap back into "this is fine" mode due to literal NPC compulsion.Sans doesn't give a shit even though he just lost the budding love of his life because he's here EXCLUSIVELY to troll the player.
What kind of personality do you give the Side B Soul when writing about it?
>>4139826floweybut I also give it to the normal route soul
>Kris lowers his head after seeing Toriel dancing with Sans>Its her choice, what even is the problem? Susie was just shocked to see that Toriel was so different, (completely ignores kris reaction to it as if it didn't exist), you ????s don't understand the game.>Flowery is kind of rude to Ralsei get him to wake up>I learnt in therapy that its NEVER justified to be rude to someone. So Flowery is just a asshole and there's no point to be made, we should just ignore whatever he says.>Noelle constantly reminisces about that time they submitted as King and Queen, how they promised to get married, Susie gets nervous abut them having a thing between each other, also weird route >People ignore this because it gets in the way of Suselle>Lesbian even has mental breakdown about itIs Deltarune not woke enough for those people?
>>4139826>apologectic "greater good" soul that came back from normal route (didn't end well)>undertale obsessed soul who wants his Sans/Undying battles>depressed soul thinking they can twist Noelle into an Asriel/Chara substitute>curious soul who simply wants to see the end of the forbidden path
>>4139831>>Lesbian even has mental breakdown about itOver childhood friends toddlers talking about marriage?
>>4139833No, about Weird Route, because it's "heteronormative" and "lesbian erasure", which basically admits that they all see Kris as a boy.
>>4139833https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq-kqw2LmOUSkip to 08:00.
>>4139831something you must understand is that ~80% of the discourse in utdr is by actual children and sub 90 iq esl muttoids despite what you may think, 4chan probably has the highest average int when it comes to actually talking about the game, which is why we're so ahead of the curve on everything not having to worry about wrongthink also helps
>>4139835weird route is about forcing kris to wear a dressalso lesbian abuse rates
>>4139836I can't even get past the genuine belief that it's about critiquing heterosexuality or whatever, it's so cringy hearing it out loud. I have to ignore it whenever it pops up in actual theory spaces because it's so stupid. How do they think the correction theory works when the point of the weird route is that both Kris and Noelle secretly want it? It doesn't even make any sense if you see Kris as a girl because then Kriselle is just as "heteronomative" as Suselle.
>>4139835>because it's "heteronormative" and "lesbian erasure", which basically admits that they all see Kris as a boy.Can't they pretend Kris is a girl, thus preserving the lesbian agenda?
>>4139840No, because then they don't have something to get mad about, as trannies, just like real women, NEED something to be mad about at all given times.
>>4139836I apologize for ever saying Anonymous was the most retarded existence I've come across.
>>4139840no, they in one breath they'll say that kris is non binary and if he gets with susie or noelle it's lesbian erasure they believe with all their heart that kris is a boy because, like it or not, the common opinion on reddit/ xitter/ tumblr is that kris is male to nbonly on 4chan and the rare outside kriselle artist will you see genuine femkrisfags
>>4139842Weird. I thought Kris, with the self-loathing, the yearning and whatnot, would be the perfect self-insert of a tranny thus earning empathy points.
>>4139832>salty soul that didn't get the deltarune it wanted and desires to discharge their hatred into destroying the game itself
>>4139845Yeah, on Normal Route, especially where Kris is a third wheel cuck who's somehow necessary to facilitate the success of Suselle as a relationship.But the moment Kris becomes the central focus, he's a boy.
>>4139844I don't know, most fanartists seem to headcanon Kris as biologically female, they just use they/them pronouns and draw them like a guy. Like every other day it turns out that an artist drawing a Kris with a masculine body type actually headcanons them as a lesbian
>>4139846A Lightner on a Crusade, if you will...
>>4139813Toby himself follows that patternfaggotery
>>4139809Toby told us to smile one last time but that's just impossible after Ramb and Sound of Justice.5 may be the closest to replicate 1-2 but it never reached that. He didn't bend the knee a single time to just make a third Jevil type secret boss.>>4139810Anon, chapter 3 wasn't a goodbye to the Undertale style, it was a middle finger to it.I'll be forever mad he couldn't bother making a SINGLE paid chapter actually be like the demo again.
>>4139854>Toby told us to smile one last time but that's just impossible after Ramb and Sound of Justice.>5 may be the closest to replicate 1-2 but it never reached that.It was probably the intended result.
>>4139812>reverse UT snowdin>"haha let's have a third mad dummy fight">"glyde? who is that?"
>>4139832I'm 2 and 4.
>>4139850michaelfaggot actually
>>4139832I'm 3.
>>4139853Funny, but Chara already knows Asriel mogs them
>>4139856Glyde's a guest character, he'd have to ask permission to use him again and it seems like the guy said "nah" or wasn't able to be contacted.Besides, the plan was ALWAYS Mew Mew, he hamfisted a Mew Mew fight into Snowdin in the Switch version, which was also the version that teased Deltarune's imminence through Goner Clam.
>>4139861fisting Mew Mew...
>>4139855To insult Anon personally after raping his dog, making his wife into a kebab and razing his hometown?
>>4139861This implies he wanted to use So Sorry again and went after Samael to get permission, lol.>the plan was ALWAYS Mew MewTo be fair I believe this.The chapter 2 secret boss was just going to be Mettaton NEO's body at one point until Spamton shoved himself there like a cognito hazard. It would track for the majority of shadow crystals being returning UT characters, or just very reminiscent of UT (Knight and Eram), and Jevil being the bizarre fully original one.What I don't get is him not feeling like changing course after Spamton exploded. Even shit like Battat is going to have more of a long lasting impression than Gerson or Pink, that's just how weak the returning character pandering is with these.
>>4139838Do you think the Weird Route acts as some sort of regression where Noelle and Kris go back to their childhood selves, personality-wise I mean? Where Kris is malicious and Noelle is forceful and possessive. It would be the opposite of moving on. Kris and Noelle are now permanently stuck in the past, doing harmful shit to others to gain power.Meanwhile, the normal route will be healthier, and the overall message will be about letting go.
>>4139867>the overall message will be about letting go>"I wouldn't let that happen">"Kris wouldn't let it happen">"and obviously YOU wouldn't let it happen either..."Sorry kiddo.
>>4139867Probably, mixed with "if I get strong enough, I can make things go back to how they used to be, when they were better!"The whole point of Asriel's absence and the fact we probably won't even see him period is that he shows that you CAN let go, move on and heal, both in terms of his ability to cope with losing his girlfriend and watching his family fall apart, AND in the meta sense of fans being desperate to see Asriel in a world where he gets a happy ending as himself instead of being stuck as an unfeeling flower who gets to be a wacky roommate to Papyrus.
>>4139867maybe, although we now know that kris wasn't acting malicious on purpose, but was trying to cheer up noelle in her own weird way
>>4139866I'm still mad we didn't get Apple Girlington.
Can someone here make a new FemKris video? There's enough new info for one (e.g., Kris wanting to be festival queen). With good enough production values it should be successful.
>>4139873There were like a million different better ideas for a shadow crystal boss there, and he went with fucking Mad Dummy again?And I say this as someone who WANTED the mad ghost there to fulfill a "Berdly" role in the plot, which wasn't what happened at all. Talk about a monkey's paw here.
>>4139871No, Kris was a little shit to everyone, not just Noelle. The whole town talks about Kris as a prankster, and ERAM literally said Kris enjoys doing bad things. It's just that Kris isn't completely evil and knows when to stop.
>>4139867>Kris is maliciousKris never hurt Noelle. He just played pranks on her, teased her to get her attention, and sometimes even to cheer her up.
>>4139877Crazy how the doll became a Vethel for maddie
>>4139884Explain this then.
>>4139879>The whole town talks about Kris as a pranksterI can't remember anything in the game suggesting that Kris pranked anyone as often as he did Noelle.
>>4139888It was a fake fire. Everything was under control.
>>4139889Toriel makes it sound like the bath bomb toilet incident was a recurring thing, among other things
>>4139891Sounds like he was a little shit mostly in the Dreemurr-Holiday sphere, then, which makes sense with how often the two were glued to the hip before THAT DAY.
>>4139888>never had a friend who would throw them into the brazen bull for funFahaha. Sorry you didn't have a childhood, anon.
>>4139893he also trolled berdly in minecrap and smashing fighters
>>4139885>Vethel
>>4139888Susie will never be able to satiate Noelle.
Krims
>>4139902Kysms
>>4139902My heroes
>>4139876One thing i've learned is that you can make everyone believe in a theory if it's in a cool edit.
No matter what happens, no matter what's canon, Demon Chara always finds a way to be reinvented by the fanshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yXGj4n7S4M
Evil scary foreshadowing line in the evil scary route.
>>4139912Rudy Knighter... My blade is forever yours.
>>4139908That's evident by the fact most Deltarune videos are schizophrenic nonsense. It's all presentation.
>>4139853Chara is too depressed, she knows Asriel would be better and get mad at any votes for her.
>>4139856Why do you think Toby added Mad Mew Mew to Snowdin the same year Deltarune first came out?
>>4139908OK we gotta start brainstorming femkris hype moments and aura edits NOW, here's my idea>weird route chapter 5 lake monologue music playing>start off with the prophecy panel of the girl and put Susie's "...weird illustration, though" dialogue box below it>put all the usual weird elements like zooming in on the girl having a sword, the princess ribbon gloves not fitting Susie, etc. (the images transition by fading in)>clip of the second sanctuary room where Susie leaves Kris to find out more about her role and stay on that shot, as soon as the guitar kicks in put a still image of Aqua's front facing sprite onscreen and slowly zoom in on it for 7 seconds>put the accompanying evidence like Kris pulling the girl's pose in battle, the dialogue about the gloves fitting Kris, Flowery saying princesses, Kris' connection to the rudinns and the check text that references diamonds are a girl's best friend, the blood stain in Kris' room>end on the Kriselle ferris wheel ride dialogue
>It's cold.>It's as if everything had been enveloped in a black wind...>You didn't realize it yet, but... it seems that there's someone who wants to talk to you.What did Toby mean by this?
>>4139924I require context
>>4139925Very VERY old shit.
>>4139922you must NOT forget all the instance of both Noelle and Berdly being stated to be exclusively attracted to girls, and all the instances of both acknowledging Kris as a potential romantic partner
>>4139927was this before or after the gaster larp?
>>4139928Lancer saying "I now pronounce you cookie and wife" to Kris, and MANCOUNTRY, a place with very close connections to Kris due to the Flying Aces, saying that non-men are OK too.
>>4139867Yep, that's why they're being USED UP, too.
>>4139870What if Asriel returns or is the Knight, though?
>>4139939If he hasn't shown up now, the only way he'll "return" is if he shows up at the literal last second of the game after everything's already over.If he's Knight, that just means the reheated nachos are even more direct than they already are, and also means NO ONE is able to let go of the past except for Rudy, who has no choice because he's going to fucking die.
>>4139826CoL
>>4139942>*door opens*>Hey Kris! How is my cute little sister doing?>The End
>>4139873That would've happened if we had an actual red flower boss, but Toby can't reveal anything about his precious humans so he had to make Pink instead to be a parallel to them indirectly.
>>4139876Surprised the local youtuber hasn't made one.
>>4139911People earn for a sexy evil humanoid in this fandom.
>>4139922Sounds kino.
>>4139956I think people just yearn for evil or jerkass characters in general in this fandom
>>4139930Right before Gaster showed up
>>4139922reminder that the very first item you can get in the game is a glowshard, which increases its value as the game goes onit also will spare rudinns instantly if used in battlei wonder what this means
>>4139924Geno is the canon Undertale ending.
>>4139974true since that's the fate of undertale even in a TPE, the game world and your precious save file will inevitably meet the same fate as the game world does in the geno run
When flowery does it it's "hype moments" and "aura", but when I scream random gibberish and beat random teenagers to death that makes me a felon? Fucking Toby, deceiving me like this again, it's like I've been stabbed in the heart
>>4140002Flowery is a pathetic excuse for a boss and a character
Carol misgendering Kris
>>4139967>rudinnsThe fuck is with those guys anyway? Seriously, there's something really weird about them as a whole.
>>4140006>Kris, I need you to make my daughter pregnant and give me grandkids. The Holiday bloodline must continue.>I'm a girl, old hag.>I don't care!
>>4140008They're the Froggits of Deltarune.
we all missed the point of CH5's ending.>flowery's only real crime is adding nuance to susie's happy forever funtime adventure.>because of this, susie and ralsei wanted to spare flowery to prove that they werent trying to FORCE it, they'd just convince flowery to let them have theirs.>but flowery isnt truly willing to listen, he wants his dream to stick around. the spare meter is only rising to prolong the battle.>as long as everyone's trying to play get along, the battle cant end.>the moment flowery takes ralsei out of the battle, susie removes herself from it as well.>with those two gone the battle turns to complete violence, and ends with violence.>the battle ends with an attack, it doesnt matter if you choose to do so or not.the point was the opposite of "susie forced the battle to end with pacifism", the battle could only end through violence. susie and ralsei were just softlocking it by refusing to attack.this will happen again, but the opponent wont be a flowery who sees the problem and takes care of it for (you)
^cope post above
When I saw Susie and ralseis spare meters rising after flowery fucking blew spittle into their faces, god I wanted to kill them
>>4140020>>because of this, susie and ralsei wanted to spare flowery to prove that they werent trying to FORCE it, they'd just convince flowery to let them have theirs.ah, yes, "proving it" by blowing on him then getting the other flowers to fuck off and then doing the court shit over unrelated shit to what theyre trying to prove then susie idea and boom 1v1, such a retarded execution if thats what toby was trying to get at
>>4140028susie and ralsei were just doing whatever the fuck for acts to do it because thats how they've spared people before.obviously, they're fucking retarded. but that doesnt change what they were trying to do.
>>4140027They had to take them out of the battle because these fuckers would have genuinely let the knight kidnap asgore and flowery rape the entire world with titan spawn forever if he blew his musty breath at them 10 times or some bullshit minigame, when these are my teammates I understand why Kris straight up kills them in one of the routes and is actively working against them on the "good" one
>>4140005It's okay, Ralsei.
>>4140027They're just not built for the hard choices like Kris.
>>4140030couldnt they just convince flowery verbally through ACTs? clearly they have no qualms about it considering that they try that in the knight's fight
>>4140020Keep dreaming. It's pacicuckery until the very end
>>4140038again, they're just fucking retarded.they'll try to reason with the force of evil, but they'll jump through hoops to try and convince flowery.
>>4140020Susie will simply have her way when she tries it again, it's another moment of downtime to set up a wider arc, just like how she suddenly got insecure about healing just so she could bounce back and do it better thanks to Gerson.
>>4140039I hope so, anons crying about the game yet staying like battered housewives is making me diamond
>>4140035susie is the one not built for the hard choices, ralsei couldve been a fierce fireshock-using tf2 pyro levels of menace with the right guidance, but unfortunately he had to be strung along by the retarded dyke known as susie so he ended up poisoned by her sentimentality as well
>>4140041But she doesn't have the time for another breather arc. Flower world was the last chance. It's all downhill from here.
>>4140042>wants the game to be shit to piss some other people offwhat a masochist
>>4140045good, i hope i can kill susie as kris once the betrayal comes up
Imagine going back to 2018 and telling people that Susie is a sentimental clingy girl while Noelle is the psychotic school shooter
>>4140045There's time in Chapter 6.She's obviously gonna be demonized by Carol, who will be the likely antagonist of the Dark World, so that'll once again spur her into pacicuckoldry, DEMANDING Kris and Ralsei follow her lead because she doesn't want that homophobic cunt to get in the way of HER true love and she MUST prove to Carol she'll be good for Noelle, and she'll justify it with>Dude, if me and Noelle can't date anymore, then the prophecy breaks, and... Ralsei said... if you don't follow the rules... then everything's gonna fall apart... right?And Ralsei, pussywhipped bitch that he is, will agree instantly, and Kris will obviously go along with it because he ALSO wants the prophecy to happen.
the reason why the game is setting susie up as a retarded disobedient scoundrel who both cucks kris out of having noelle and cucks you out of having actual choices is because the kris betrayal arc is coming up soon and you'll have to choose between following susie or following kris, so toby has to put both choices in equal levels of desirability since any rational person would choose someone else over the disobedient vessel who likes beating you up with a hockey stick, thus, making susie the other option will make this an actual choice
>>4140051So, OFF?
>>4140049I don't buy it. Everything is pointing towards Susie having her delusions of escapism shattered and things spiraling towards the finale.There is zero chance Susie "Closet Dragon" Deltarune will have a positive arc.Now that I think about it, I doubt Noelle "My father fell down but my dreams about healing powers are real?!" Holiday is going to have a good time either.
>>4140053Chapter 7 is when Susie finally has to be shown she can't just spare everyone anymore because her enemies will become Knight, who is now actually directly fighting again and using full power (which exposes just how out of her depth Susie is), and Kris, who's so invested in the promise that binds him to this dark crusade that he won't allow anyone to get in his way, ALSO fighting at full power.
>>4140052Hey, the Judge was nowhere near as retarded as Susie.
>>4140042>the game should make people hate itSubversive roach
>>4140053This is the same game that believes that you don't deserve immersion in the fantasy world and that all the cool things about fantasy rpgs that you might love need to be destroyed
>>4140052the difference between off and deltarune is that in off you just have fun doing what you want, the batter says "i'm evil btw" and you can choose to say "ok i guess" and keep going anyways, here you're cockblocked at every turn by both susie and kris so it's undesirable either way
>>4140055>Chapter 7 is when Susie finally has to be shown she can't just spare everyone anymore because her enemies will become Knightah, yes, learning to stop holding back the moment the enemies become mindless beasts who cant be reasoned with anyways, why fucking bother at that point??? imagine if noelle refused to kill enemies with iceshock until the 5 last minutes of the game
>>4140027It's a joke because Flowery is like a protagonist so he can do protagonist stuff like Kris.
does anyone know the artist of this pic?
>>4140042Based Toby.
>>4140055>>4140061thats the fun part, susie will refuse to fight any enemies by the time chapter 7 comes, even if they're mindless beasts, because she's just that far gone.fighting would be admission that her happy fun adventure time is over, so she cant.
>>4140042You dropped this, king.
>>4140067Dragon quest is a fun happy adventure and you still get to kill monsters don't you play that card
>>4140069well, you see col, deltarune isnt dragon quest.so i'd suggest shutting up until you can understand that.
>>4140067>Making shit up and getting mad at the shit you make up
>>4140067god please let me kill susie in chapter 6-7 and let me proceed without her
>>4140069The snipers are ready, anon. One more mention about Wyvern Hunt and Toby will greenlight them.
>>4140072>Ralsei pray to us in particular to have mercy on Susie>normal route>this implies we will have a choice to NOT be merciful and make her life a bit worseRejoice.
>>4140061Honestly I believe chapter 6 enemies won't even be spareable, at most pacifiable>>4140072You need the twisted sword for that though
>>4140077anything that makes pacify useful is a huge win regardless
>>4140072>>4140075>ralsei is preying because susie is such a bitch it will take divine will for (you) to not smite her ass when the time comes bravo toby?
>>4140078I believe it since blue shoes and orange gloves focus on the 2 spells that can pacify enemies. Plus I feel like shelter having enemies that can't be spared is fitting with the whole eram/friend/titan/knight stuff
>>4140070So why exactly can't you have a fun happy adventure and still fight stuff
>>4140002did you forget to play battle music?
>>4140085well, you see col, you're retarded.so i'd suggest shutting up until you can understand that.
>>4140089You're never gonna answer the question because you think I'm retarded
>>4140089when everybody is col, no one will be.also, no good counter argument
>>4140072Wait for 7B
>>4140085because toby is tired of jrpgs and thinks you're evil for fighting the enemies so "you don't deserve a fun happy adventure"
>>4140082>Shelter>Chapter 6
>>4140085its funny you people dont understand whats going onyou theorize for years online and then when reality finally hits you, you dont understand
>>4140020
>>4140096The holiday manor is too vast for a shorter dark world. It feels more fitting for the final one.>b-but dess' roomIt's on the second floor. There's no earth under the carpet and floor boards to create a dark fountain through.
>>4140094Wasn't 2 enough?
>>4140099The final dark world will be the whole town and you kill everyone's dark forms when they get taken over, freeing them and sanitizing your beloved massacre scenario.
>>4140095Why do I have to like this
>>4140097What's that supposed to mean
>>4140101I don't even like hometown massacre
>>4140081How could Toby make Susie more unlikeable than she already is?
>>4140099The hospital is the next Dark World. There's no manor Dark World.
>>4140105Most of us like Susie. She's one of the best characters.
>>4140105Reveal she really IS a Gaster agent, and that she was acting retarded on purpose.
>>4140098>1castle town is a pure fountain that can hold any darkner unlike flower shop so insta w for ralsei team>2ralsei is cute and flowery isn't, w for ralsei team>3the lightners dont need water and sunlight to stay alive, w for ralsei team again>4idk what romp is, but castle town is not causing the roaring so flower shop dw is in fact dangerous, w for ralsei team>5this comparison, misses the point of the original meme where both kingdoms are supposed to be basically the same but still treated differently, if one kingdom sold apples and the other sold burgers then the point is lost, no ws for either team because bad comparisonralsei team wins!
>>4140107I don't. She wears ripped jeans, does drugs, and attacks other students while their mothers are in the building.
>>4140110I wonder who could be behind this post...
>>4140102you don't, thats why the weird route is there
>>4140114>noncanon route made to shame the playerthanks toby...
>>4140106"Hey Jimmy, give me a chapter with nuthin"Also Toby doesn't have the balls to acknowledge Berdly being snowgraved
>>4140105by revealing that she actually lived a happy content life despite being poor to parallel noelle being unhappy despite having a rich girl life
>>4140114You mean the>PLAYER-KUN HOW COULD YOU!?!?!?! YOU'RE EVIL, LITERALLY GIGA HITLER, FUCK YOU FOR WANTING TO MAKE YOUR OWN CHOICESRoute?
>>4140114The weird route is nothing. It's the same thing for 3 chapters, and it did the bare minimum for the last oneAn inconsistent mess
>>4140110>the lightners dont need water and sunlight to stay alive,A-anon, you might want to rethink that point.
>>4140112God that's hot
>>4140118That is literally what Toby thinks of his players, the piece of shitAttacking is BAD, heterosexual couples are BAD, Magic spells are BAD, that's himAin't it cute how all the people who push for globohomo happen to all be born from a man and a woman? Who are they to rewrite reality and cull the population?
>>4140115toby said that any ending is canon for undertale if you want it to, thus, the weird route isnt necessarily non-canon
>>4140124He shouldn't force the pacifist ending content on everyone and assume everyone did that thenHrs a liar
>>4140119you'll change your tune once the hometown massacre comes into play
>>4140124Any interpretation that makes Anon seethe is canon in my heart of heart.
>>4140121to rephrase it, humans can last a long while without water while flowers wilt pretty fast, so...
>>4140126I won't. 20 minutes of gameplay cannot justify 8 years of bs. It isn't worth it. It makes everything it took to get there a colossal waste of time
>>41401297B is way bigger than the other numbers, itll have more shit than you think it will
>>4140130Don't bother trying to convince him, he's too doompilled to have hope anymore.
>>4140131Just how I like 'em.
>>4140130It doesn't stop the weird route from being an inconsistent messImagine if that was someone's first playthrough of the gameCh2 you just go the exact opposite direction and freeze berdly...for what? No Roaring cutscene, no queen fight, a chapter 3 that does not match at all, the shelter code plitlije is abandoned, the festival is skipped, toriel scene you're forced to watch, while asgore gets nothing at all? What kind of a game is that?
>>4140131at least his expectations will be pleasantly surprised once the actual chapter 7B comes up since theyre already so low
>>4140130Erm ackshually the size only pertains to the weird route's proportional relevance, (50% of chapter 2 vs 100% of chapter 7b), which means chapter 7b will be 30 minutes long with 5 minutes of that including the credits, tricky Tonys done it again, raping his fans and making them thank him for it, what a gogachad
>>4140136And any chance for kriselle is thrown out the window when the game just skips the festival out of spiteLiterally the laziest option you could have taken, doing absolutely nothing
7B will just be a cutscene of ERAM raping Kris and Noelle while yellingPLAP PLAP PLAP GET USED UP GET USED UP
>>4140136>Imagine if that was someone's first playthrough of the gameEven among people familiar with NR and people who replayed 1+2 at the time, nobody discovered WR without hearing about it first lmao.
>>4140152I did genocide first
>>4140153Poser says what?
>>4140143>out of spiteThe story's characters doing the things they logically should based on their aims and circumstances isn't "spite".
>>4140155No no no, Toby is sabotaging the game just to appease "them", as we both know.
>>4140155"Wait, why am I jumping into a lake? What about the knight? It's just gonna set him loose, what? Not even the festival, what the hell was the point?"Literally nothing can justify this because you have no in-universe motivation for any of it.
>>4140158>no in-universe motivation for any of it>WR>WR ch5, where half of its diminutive runtime is spent by Noelle explaining her in-universe motivation>WR ch5, where you saw all of Kris' answers to the SOUL from anger to resistance to fear before acceptance kicked in>no in-universe motivationI don't know if doomers are just built different or if they didn't play the game.
>>4140158Kris didn't go to the festival to try and limit the damage you could do.What you did afterward didn't require much cooperation from Kris.One of those is the result of Kris's motives and one is the result of yours.>but I don't have a motive for the weird route!Yes you do! It's the same motive you had for any neutral route in Undertale. "This is what I want to see happen out of the options I am aware of".
>>4140155Game doesn't let me do that.
>>4140162I don't the knight doest matterThe shelter doest matter. The shelter codes don't matterRalsei doesn't matter, castle town does not matter, the shadow crystals don't matterThe Roaring clearly doesn't matter if you just abandon your quest out of nowhere and never come backThere is nothing to give a shit about because the weird route doesn't give a shit about anythingIt is nothing
>>4140164Correct. All of those things are immaterial totems of "story progress" that can change at a moment's notice. If this makes you stop caring about a story, then kindly stop pretending to care about any story.
>>4140166Why is this normal to you? Why can't a story be exactly what it says on the tin and stay consistent?I wanted to go on a fantasy rpg adventure and fight evil with my hero character and a bunch of party members, and you laugh in my face(on the rpg thread, no less) for even suggesting it.Maybe I don't care about the story. Maybe I just want some enemies to fight and an excuse to justify the adventure. It does not mean you get to callously take that away from me, and laugh like a hyna in heat while you do so.
>>4140169I think stories that don't want to surprise the one engaging with them are ultimately trying not to be TOO interesting. Because uplifting convention for convention's sake is admitting you have absolutely fucking nothing to say other than "I like this genre".
How can you access 7B if the lake ''deletes'' your file tho>>4140158No you see, Noelle told Kris about parallel universes and the negative aura of Mario 64 and Kris was interested in testing her theory
>>4140158Wow it's almostIt's almost likeHey you guys don't think that likeThat maybe Kris and the Knight have been working together this whole time and that Kris tries to limit how much he lets you interact with Noelle or somethingHoly shit I think I just blew my own mind with information we've know for literally likeLike literally for like years at this point holy shit
>>4140169>Why is this normal to you?Because I possess pattern recognition instead of autism
>>4140170Maybe I don't need anything else to say. This is my entertainment, that's it. Im not an intellectual, its not my job to tell the whole world about my perspective on life or something. If I want a surprise I'll read the news, I get enough surprises as it is.>>4140174I'm sick of that shit. Maybe it'd surprise me and I might give a shit if I was 15.Im not, I'm tired of it, after 8 years of it, and I want the game to let up even a little.
>>4140178>Maybe I don't need anything else to say.And that's why you're not an artist of any kind. Because you think "just entertainment" is a real thing, much less something to aim for.
Maybe we should just stop talking to him. He's run out of unique dialogue options to say.
>>4140179And? I don't want to be an artist. I just wanna play a game. Let me play a game and have fun, don't actively try and take it away.
Have you noticed how CoL didn't appear at all in the last /v/ thread?
>>4140181Too bad for you, stories are made by artists. Artists that like dragon quest would make something more complicated than it and artists that don't like dragon quest wouldn't make something like it.
>>4140185Too bad for me? Don't take my entertainment away for no reason and expect me to not just thank you for it, but to open my wallet and demand I pay for it. Why should I pay if you won't make what I like? Why should I settle with something I don't want when they used to make exactly what I wanted?
>>4140184We were keeping him here. Holding the line for the brave few still willing to defy the mods.
>>4140187Nobody told you to pay for it. The games industry is not in a monolithic conspiracy against you. You are mentally ill.
>>4140185>stories are made by artistsAI is an artist then
>>4140190He is, so let him go. He lives every day on repeat. The conversation you're having with him now is the same one he's had literally hundreds of times here if not more.
>>4140191I know you think I'm a generic "artist" type because I'm not playing into your anti-intellectual delusions, but I don't care about excluding AI from art. It's a tool. People dumb enough to try and present generic LLM writing as a product worth consuming are making fools of themselves just like people who make asset flips.
>>4140190Yeah, that's why i don't pay
>>4140195>I know [headcanon]There's a lot of that going around in this thread
>>4140190It's not a conspiracy, but you'd support it if it wasI ask if I can something more like the classics I already like, thread comes out in full force to tell me how I don't deserve it even if I'm willing to pay, thread acts surprised when I mention that people dont make my preferred kind of games anymore
>>4140155the only reason why kris did this was because toby wrote him as a ntr cuck protagonist, so its not just because "its what the character would do!!", susie makes a move on noelle just like how toby wants it to because kris is a cuck and cant confess to noelle, no weird route festival because kris is a cuck and toby prefers suselle, kris cant just defy the designated "kriselle is le evil" weird run and stop us on the spot because kris is a cuck, kris cant just speak up about the roaring knight stuff because kris is a cuck and any amount of initiative would derail from what toby wants to do, the only reason why suselle "works" and can happen without crumbling apart is because toby deliberately wrote kris to sabotage himself at every turn like a bent little cucklet so that anything else like krusie or kriselle not happening can be written off as "well, logically kris didnt do this because it isn't in kris' character to do so teehee", thus, allowing retards to defend toby making the game worse by having kris as the in-universe reason for why the things that couldve made the game better didnt happen, it is simply inexcusable
>>4140162>>but I don't have a motive for the weird route!>Yes you do! It's the same motive you had for any neutral route in Undertale. "This is what I want to see happen out of the options I am aware of".players are different and can have multiple reasons for doing something nigga, i do the neutral run because i think the undertale world would be better off with king papyrus which discards all the shitty characters while allowing a good character that doesnt want to 1984 or kill humanity to become king and not have to deal with shitty "friends" that infantilize him while also getting rid of known evil monsters like undyne and mettaton
>>4140181have you considered playing games you like instead of games you dont like?
>>4140177autists have pattern recognition too and arent blind to injustices because of "muh deltarune good so i must consoom" like you toby fox glazers
>>4140209And Kris is basically Teen Toby, so with how much Toby resents his younger self's blunders (especially in terms of love life), he gets to use Kris as an outlet to vent about his past idiocy, and do it in such a way that everyone will clap and cheer at it.
kris will burn down the flower king
>>4140214Sure have. I do it every day. Doesn't make the shite go away, doesn't make the hordes that demand I accept it as normal go away.You know what that is? It's the vapid defenders laziest way to end any argument. Just blame the consumer and demand they concede.
>>4140218well i will forever condemn toby for making my daughter suffer because he's a self hating chuckold
>>4140220you are making up enemies. nobody is forcing you to play undertale or deltarune.nobody is forcing you to accept it as normal.
>>4140218He can keep it to himself. Not everyone's in the mood for faggotry, its all you ever see
>>4140224This thread doesIt spends all its time telling me how it's a good thing that there is nothing in deltarune to be immersed in, and how there is no objective the game actually lets you complete to beat it, how its a good thing that the game is wasting my time in-universe.They're vile.
>>4140224no anon, you're wrongi'm forcing that poor anon to play deltarune against his will
>>4140226>ask anons why [thing]>anons explain why [thing]>"this... is... A PERSONAL... ATTACK ON ME!!!"
>>4140229Yes, that's how schizo logic tends to work. You're arguing with someone who genuinely believes Toby Fox is the ringleader in the shadows of an industry-wide conspiracy looking to ruin HIS favorite genre of videogames, and literally shudders in terror constantly at the thought of this conspiracy deciding to target his favorite series next.
>>4140230It's not an industry wide conspiracy, it's just him.
>>4140231Ah, so Final Fantasy 7 Remake decided to subvert expectations about Aerith's death WITHOUT Toby's involvement or influence after all?
>>4140232dont encourage the schizo's delusions, anon.
>>4140229>tell anons [thing] sucks, [thing] really sucks>don't want [thing] in the next game I play >anons relish the idea of [thing] infecting every game I like>>4140232I would not be surprised if it was his ideaThe people who made final fantasy 7 remake outright lied about what the game was, even though their job was to remake final fantasy 7.Because of this there will never be another chance to do it right.
>>4140238have you ever considered that different people just like different things?>me no like this game! every game have to be like game me like! me me me!>ok well fuck off we like this games for the reason you hate it>REEEEEE I'LL SHIT UP YOUR THREAD FOREVER. ME! ME!!! ME!!!!!>i hope every game becomes ruined in your eyes.
>>4140238Okay. I admit it. I get a erection at the thought of raping you.
>>4140238deltarune's success will lead to more devs deciding to do more misleading vague bullshit because it's what worked out for deltarune, the more people praise this stuff for deltarune, the more often it will happen in future games since public opinion shapes what things will be done in future games
>>4140241>>4140245you're just proving his point right guys
>>4140209So the characters are consistent with the creator's vision? Sounds based to me.
>>4140250I don't think I like a cuck's vision
>>4140215Autists have bias confirmation which is deceptively similar to pattern recognition
>>4140229Welcome to CoL. Try not to take him too seriousl- oops too late. Good luck you retard.
>>4140238>tell anons [thing] sucks, [thing] really sucks>don't want [thing] in the next game I play>tell anons [thing] sucks, [thing] really sucks>don't want [thing] in the next game I play>tell anons [thing] sucks, [thing] really sucks>don't want [thing] in the next game I play>tell anons [thing] sucks, [thing] really sucks>don't want [thing] in the next game I play>tell anons [thing] sucks, [thing] really sucks>don't want [thing] in the next game I play>tell anons [thing] sucks, [thing] really sucks>don't want [thing] in the next game I play>anons tell you to shut the fuck up because nobody cares>WTF YOU ARE LITERALLY RAPING ME RIGHT NOW
>>4140258The sweltering summer never endsThe rape shall continue
>>4140258>anons tell youFound the problem.
>>4140281big hussie cock?
>>4140282get back to work, toby
despite everything, it's tv time! still mogs all the other chapter boss songs
>>4140285It's just a generic medley and is basically Flower Man without the hype.
>>4140286
>Sorry Susie, but actually I'm The Girl and I transgendered myself into an enbie at an arbitrary point in time before the prophecy started so that I could trick god by drawing a line around the country so I could do things on sunday and I had Berdly put into a coma to seal my sins away because Asriel wasn't here to confess them for me and my name spelled backwards is Disney Undertale. I was a good friend.
>>4140307>before the prophecy startedit was almost certainly after THAT DAY, which is when the prophecy actually started
>>4140310The day of Doelesting... an incident so terrible, so unspeakably horrible, it broke Kris's inherent sense of femininity forever out of fearful trauma that being a girl means she may be raped yet again...
>Kris told me you needed a new party member!
>>4140162I actually do agree that for the time being the weird route does lack a real motivation, but that's just because the weird route was always meant to be played after actually beating the game and seeing the entire story, we don't have that, so it lacks the final catalyst that would lead someone to the weird route, beyond just mere curiosity.
>>4140184The /v/ thread in general didn't have as much negativity about Deltarune and far more funposting. All the schizos are trapped here.
>>41401166 is already the nothing chapter and Berdly won't be part of the Dark World either.
>>4140136Weird Route is not supposed to be your first route bro.
>>4140172It doesn't delete your file, it creates a weird route exclusive file in fact.
>>4140209Mindbroken hmofatard
>>4140136>weird route>first playthroughits technically possible, but in reality almost nobody is going to hit all the shit you have to do to activate it without at least playing through CH2 once.>have to ONLY clear encounters with iceshock, cannot finish them off with kris >have to backtrack with noelle to spamton's shop to get enemies>have to get the freeze ring and not fumble the scene>have to backtrack after killing all the enemies to get the thornring, cant advance any further than exactly where you run out of kill since berdly is there>have to choose all the correct options during the pre-berdly fight to enter it in murder mode.>have to save up for snowgrave instead of spamming ice shock.(and this means you have to remember to equip the thornring)there's no way in hell you're getting it on accident.
>>4140353You think with the snd_ominous/snd_ominous_cancel jingles and the foreshadowing of Chapter 3's Sword Route that there's enough hints for the average player to commit to finding and doing the Weird Route on their own without looking it up?
>>4140244Toby Fox...
>>4140355yes, but for a first play through they're not getting it unless they practically brute force it.its one of those "you have to know it exists first" things.
>>4140285Flower Man and Chaos King is better.
>>4140355Yes but the vast majority of players will first play through the normal route before going back and attempting any weird route stuff.
>>4140357>>4140360Well of course, but is there enough cues for the second playthrough, and still just with what hints are in the game? I feel like some of the problem areas would be knowing to backtrack to Spamton's shop in Chapter 2 and putting the soul in Kris's body before he notices in Chapter 4.
>>4140361>chapter 2the hard part is figuring out what all to do, yeah.my theory is that toby will cram a susie version of cyberworld in as a "noelle training arc" at the start of CH6, you can speed through it but if you look around it'll act as the final spelling out for how to start the weird route.it'll even be where you get the gilded rose, and susie will have a comment about how "its good that kris didnt find this in the original cyberworld. noelle wasnt with us yet!"
>>4140362That just reminded me that we still don't know how the fuck Spamton got the Thorn Ring, even after the chapter that was themed entirely around flowers.
>>4140361The latter can be solved by just reloading if you fail.
>>4140364Yes, that is very strange, isn't it? Perhaps it will be explained in a future chapter? A crazy idea, I know.
>>4140361I feel like the part in Mantle where you go around freezing enemies is enough to make someone think about whether there was any way to freeze enemies in the game, and that line of thought eventually would end with Noelle and the player trying out iceshock, seeing that the enemy gets frozen in the overworld instead of running away, and trying to take it to its natural conclusion.
>>4140361It's easy enough to understand what to do once you've frozen one enemy and noticed it stayed that way. And the initial enemy you meet with Noelle has such low HP it'll always get frozen if you try IceShock once.
>>4140364Maybe it was his strange benefactor. If only there was a character that pushed for the Weird Route to happen...
I was about to ask "What character would even want the Weird route to happen", but then I realized. I don't even know if Carol is happy with weird route noelle, or is just completely unaware of what is going on.What theory is even worth theorizing about?
>>4140370Sorry bro, didn't you hear? Toby forgot about the strange someone and the plotline is dropped. You can tell because he hasn't had a clone of Spamton rant about a mysterious benefactor in the last couple chapters.
>>4140371It's ERAM, ERAM wants the Weird Route to happen.
>>4140373But who's behind ERAM?
>>4140374Kris's inner child
>>4140374me with an erect penis
>>4140374No one.
>>4140374Chara with a controller.
>>4140371>I was about to ask "What character would even want the Weird route to happen"Well there's ERAM, but, more importantly, YOU.
>>4140374Pixel Seam.
Toby Fox doing all this because of his weird obligation to all three people who play the game without searching up "WR WALKTHROUGH CH 1-5 ALL SECRETS" beforehand, it's part of the same ideology of making a bare minimum playthrough of his game easy to do, a great big larp where he adheres to imaginary game design principles for his own satisfaction Not complaining though because mantle quest was badass and fun
Pregnant Kris.
>Netskie was originally going to have dialogue mentioning it in chapter 4 on the nintendo switch>Said dialogue is for the Mike MinigamesWhat are the implications of this?
>>4140387Toby forgot when they were supposed to show up.
>>4140386Kris must eat plenty, it is important for the child
>>4140389Originally i thought Netskie was ERAM given they seemed to fit the mold better, but i guess Netskie is a FRIEND parallel after all.Of course ERAM cat owner still works given Netskie's description. I'd also like to point out that the Bravery soul is connected to Gaster.
>>4140391Trve...
>>4140394>Bravery soul is connected to Gaster.Explanation? The only other time I've seen this connection was R.V. Pine's secret boss theme for Gaster.
Man.. It’s jarring when I’m browsing through fanart as usual and seeing all this love for chapter 5. So many passionate people drawing their favorite scenes and characters, and then I go on here where people aren’t afraid to be critical of it because it’s the chapter that everyone is evenly split on. I have problems with chapter 5 that might be rectified by 6 but knowing that all the creatives are doing just fine and carrying on like normal makes guys like you stand out all the more. I can only think of 3 artists who don’t like chapter 5 and 2 of them are already very contested by those who know them.
>>4140410Easily explained by the fact that most artists outside here are leftists, while most people here are chuds. Leftists will like chapter 5 more than chuds for reasons so obvious I'm not even going to bother explaining.
>>4140410On the other hand, seeing that Cunningham didn't like Chapter 5 was interesting. Made me feel a little smug, actually.
>>4140417Of all the artists that come and go on my radar, when it comes to the really good ones 9 times out of ten they’re either gay autistic or both. Not like I have a problem with that as an autistic myself who has one foot in the lgbt.
>>4140407>Kindness and Bravery are the only two soul types which appear as a "GIFT" during the gonermaker, and "kindness & bravery" are frequently paired together>Bravery's OMEGA is a hand with a hole in it>Orange's shadow puppet kind of looks like NormalNPC's goner formThis is a bit of a stretch, but it works with the idea of "Gaster created FRIEND, but ERAM is the cat owner."'
>>4140429>Gaster is not only green, but orange as well.Holy fuck.
>>4140432>Gaster is from ZeroRanger
>>4140407Back in the day people thought Gaster's theme was in the Orange Soul section of Omega Flowey's fight, that's why in stuff like Glitchtale it had Gaster killing the bravery human there as well.
>>4140410That's because Chapter 5 is a good chapter and non miserable folks that actually produce something worthwhile can see it.
>>4140121Is Kris trying to drown or resuscitate Noelle?
>>4140387Why does Netskie say "kon"?
>>4140410Why are you surprised that the chapter who finally introduced a new large cast of characters appeals to artists?The people complaining are the ones looking for the main story and characters to be pushed forward.
I've been invested in Ralsei's character since the days of Chapter 2, but I cannot help but feel he's a disappointing character so farI think his strongest suit is both his designs (face sprite aside). Chapter 1 Ralsei gives a great impression even though he became the blueprint for every Discord femboy ever, but Chapter 2 Ralsei breaks him too much into a new self he's persistently passive towards everything. I have to say the fluffy boy and step on me jokes were always pretty cringe and this humor has always been his mixed bag. I also think the Fish out of water element to his character isn't played well, it's not used for situational humor where he's meant to be clueless about normal things, like what's a butler, what's a videogame, instead he has implicit and practical knowledge about most thinks so all this does is make him be treated like a baby you feel pity for. Chapters 3 and 4 banked well on giving him angsty material to chew on despite this, but Chapter 5 is meant to be "his" chapter, and... It doesn't deliver anything, the best part of it is showing a different side of his personality in a kinda awkward sudden manner, and he doesn't accomplish anything but set up yet again more to be delivered in the next chapters...One of the worst offenders is the Kralsei baiting, so far it has gone nowhere in the story, Kris is less reactive towards Ralsei than any other main character in the game so far.Yes I know you're going to say Ralsei being a passive little bitch is the point, but I don't think it's been an enjoyable point even intentionally, if anything his behavior is just frustrating and these flaws make him more unlikeable than interesting, even for the Weird Route he shows no willingless to do anything about it. Noelle is also a passive character learning to stand for herself and she's been much better in that department. Kris, Susie and Noelle all got do do cool stuff in this game and I'm still waiting for Ralsei to be cool.
>>4140110>but castle town is not causing the roaring so flower shop dw is in fact dangerousFlower shop isn't causing the roaring either, the point of that argument is that apparently one fountain at a time is alright so what makes castle town worth keeping open? The Darkners who live there like it?
Is it normal that I can't stand Noelle but like Dess, atleast the fanon designs, I hope that whatever Toby settles on for Dess's character it isn't a copy of her sister's BPD personality
>>4140454The alt girl/tomboy look most artists give her might as well be crack to most 4chan anons so it makes sense.
slut
>>4140440Joy-con joke.
>>4138097What's the image limit for this board?
>>4140470300 images.
>>4140472Fucking revolting. It should be twice that.
>>4140474This board wasn't made for us, that's why. It's a prison.
Sometimes I'm surprised when I see the art of a lefty artist and they draw the characters in the most disgusting way possible. They know how to desecrate something.If you want to know the feeling, its kinda similar to seeing that image that became a meme, with sans and underfell sans begging "we've been good kid please", but worse.
>>4140445It’s not like the traits don’t care about the main story. Playcentermd made a whole fan prediction for chapter 6 and there are plenty more where that came from if you look hard enough.
>>4140480thats just common for western artists in general, you would have better luck browsing through japanese deltarune art if you want less gross looking characters
>>4140478I long for the day a newsletter releases so we may have a chance of having an actual Deltarune thread on /v/.
>>4140499We had one yesterday somehow.
>>4140503Damn, I was busy all day yesterday. Got an archive link?
>>4140355Not really. It might be easy enough to start but it gets pretty specific later on in ways you'll only find through trial and error or by being told what to do. It's less like a "go in this direction to find a secret" and more like "this was done specifically to sell guides" except since there's no guides it was probably done specifically because he knows his community data mines and shares all the info about the games so he knew word would get around about it and therefore saw no need to lay out what to actually do to get WR. Yeah there's parallels in Mantle but they only cover the broader strokes.
>>4140451I agree with you on pretty much everything here. I hope he actually does something (cool) in Chapter 6, even if it's not leaving the party.
>>4140358Chaos King is so underrated.
>>4140374Ralsei, obviously.
>>4140374Nightmare, the horned headband Darkner replicating the behaviour it saw/executed on That Day because.... reasons....
>>4140505https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/750328603/
>>4140521>500+ postsHow the fuck did this slip past them?
>>4140525No idea but they proceeded to delete it in the actual 4chan archive./v/750328603
>>4140526Oops>>>/v/750328603
>>4140422>seeing that Cunningham didn't like Chapter 5 was interesting[citation needed]
>>4140526>>4140527>A non-stealth Deltarune thread manages to slip under their radar (probably because it uses a human character in the OP instead of the easily recognizable monsters).>Goes over 50 posts past bump limit.>Delete the entire fucking thread anyway.I have never seen genuine seething hatred for anything like this anywhere else on this site. I wouldn't be surprised if they've pitched a whole containment BOARD for UT/DR-posting to site admins.
>>4140526>>4140533Well to be fair you have to admit it was kind of offtopic not to mention you guys are being disingenuous about it when you know you aren't supposed to be discussing that game on /v/. Like I get it, "mods bad" bla bla bla, but at some point you have to think about what your actions look like when you pull stunts like this.
>>4140536>when you know you aren't supposed to be discussing that game on /v/Oh yeah, sorry, I forgot I can't discuss VIDEO GAMES on the VIDEO GAMES board.
>>4140536I r8 this gr8 b8 an 8/8, m8.
>>4140536Can they add Deltarune in the rules like they did with the horseshow if it's supposed to be banned off /v/?
>>4140539There are lots of things that aren't big enough to need to be posted about in the rules, like butts for example. Horseshit was a site-wide menace which is why it has its own board, this game isn't nearly as big of a problem so it just gets picked off on sight and that's usually enough to send the message.
>>4140539Then we should get a containment board, imagine all the cool flag potential
>>4140544Imagine all the cool CoL in every thread with everyone replying to all his posts whether they know it's him or not
>>4140544You fail to realize that if we get a containment board, all of /utg/ will also be forced to migrate there, and we'll probably never have a chill Deltarune thread without mental illness and genuine schizophrenia ever again. UT/DR is far from the multimedia franchise Pokemon is that would warrant its own board. It's just two games, occasional music collabs, merch, and unfinished fangames.
>>4140545It'll be hidden like /trash/ and he'll get lost trying to search for it, the only ones left will be his copycats who will never be able to truly mimic the insanity of the genuine article.
>>4140542Butts aren't against the rules either...? Are you talking about the guy who posts some anime girl's asshole?
>>4140547UT/DR is bigger than the actual games, it's an entire parasocial phenomenon surrounding toby and it also encapsulates a lot of the politics surrounding modern games including FF7.
>>4140547The rivalry is so strong, everyone will stick to their own threads when it's not for baiting and trolling. So practically never.>we'll probably never have a chill Deltarune thread without mental illness and genuine schizophrenia ever again>>againLol, lmao. When was the first time? In your dreams?
>>4140551>threads about any "subversive" story all go to the Undertale board because all subversion is a phenomenon centered on Toby Fox specificallyHi CoL, this is still delusional schizophrenic nonsense.
>>4140526>Got so mad they deleted a thread after archiveThe pettiness is honestly hilarious
>>4140558You stole my video games industry and handed it to islamic terrorists. You let the government take childrens toys and use them to subvert kids into becoming trannies.
>>4140498There are countless examples of realistic deer head noelles from western artists but it’s not everyday when I see one that I find ugly. With eastern artists there’s a lot of really good ones like zunda or honmishi but on the other hand when you keep digging you start to see a homogenous slurry of the same copy paste anime girls and twinks wearing kris’s and Noelle’s skins.
>>4140551I seriously doubt it. Discussion on an Undertale/Deltarune board would be deader than THIS one. When Deltarune is completed, Toby likely retires from game dev because of his fucked up wrists, and all official content for the games runs dry, I can't even imagine how many ships of theseus of hating the actual games and pushing schizophrenic fan characters the board will go through until the board gets its plug pulled.
>>4140566The /turd/ (Tale Under Rune Delta) board will change to /sans/ in the year 2037 and become sansverse-focused
>>4140480>>4140498>>4140565Ugly art is legitimately what they strive for.
>>4140542>like butts for example.That is in the rules though, you can't post NSFW on /v/. Add Deltarune to the rules.
>>4140568Unironically, they're the primary reason we went from "lol ur waifu will never be real!" to "YOU'RE A FUCKING PEDOPHILE" in terms of how people mocked waifufags. They HATE that some men have given up on the eternal chase for 3DPD foids in favor of 2D, since even if they'd never choose those men since they aren't Chad, Tyrone, Paco or Abdallah, they still thrill off of the inherent power of being able to tell those "sexist pigs" to fuck off for desiring them.
>>4140566Toby will keep going as more breakthrough happening with ai
>>4140568Your pic has a point, though. Both the first and second drawing are horrible in their own ways, but a good artist should seek something in between that utilizes both form and function. A bad artist prioritizes one or the other and ends up making art that looks too stupid or too ugly.
>>4140573That's because they're not allowed to mock people but still want to judge and shame them so they went from mocking to accusing and it gives them such a high that they'll never stop.
>>4140575I don't even disagree with like half of it, I just find it a good honest example of them making something less attractive on purpose.
>>4140576how long until they start mocking each other?
>>4140579Seven minutes.
>>4140579They famously end up accusing each other of the real crimes they commit when they're done accusing chuds of perceived wrongthink
>>4140567Based and following the wishes of Toby.
>>4140579Women have done this since time immemorial, they act like gal pals when together but the moment they're apart they start gossiping about how the other is a total fucking bitch.Trannies and cucks do the same thing, except instead of plain gossip, it's publicly posted Google Docs accusing the other of being a sex pest or a pedophile groomer.
>>4140589Men do the same thing.
>>4140568>>4140577There’s a line between the kind of ugly where the artist straight up failed at making it look appealing and the kind of ugly that draws you in with their brand of unconventional beauty or appeal like creepy crawlies or deep sea creatures. I’ve always been a fan of goofy exaggerated art because it feels more organic when the characters are asymmetrical or distorted and it’s a shame there aren’t as many artists in the fandom who draw like that.
>>4140589Literally waiting for Toby to slip up and get canceled for doing what they do on a daily basis
>>4140597And that's why Suselle is destined to succeed, and Weird Route will be pure punishment and admonishment of the player.
>>4140598Suselle is written to groom children into thinking being gay is normal
>kris made the 7 flying aces to cheat at cards>got caught because kris is bad at cheating >kris goes by they/ them and the prophecy asks for a girl>
>>4140601She was raped by all three of the Holiday girls and became nonbinary out of trauma. This is a documented phenomena with molested girls in our modern day.
>>4140601Kris and the shelter friends making an idiot plan to 'win' at the prophecy sounds really funny and is probably canon, but Da Girl Kris just seems like too much of an oldschool rpg plot beat
>>4140605Womeme can't be molested.>>4140598Suselle was going to succeed regardless of the current political and online landscape.
>>4140608No it wouldn't, if the media wasn't overrun with leftists for years he wouldn't dare
>>4140610Why would that matter? It's not about leftism.
>>4140607lucky for us toby loves ripping off old rpg's kris is just naoto shirogane with extra steps
>>4140612Yeah it is. Grooming your children into being gay is a leftist policy. Goes hand in had with getting third-worlders to literally breed your voters.
Imagine if deltarune was made by a conservative instead.
>>4140615Deltarune is not for children and its content is not meant as grooming.
>>4140614Nah, Kris is Shiki Ryougi, not a shitty detective.
>>4140614If he did go through with it I think it could be pretty cool, definitely memorable just for the fallout no matter how it goes. Don't think he's got the guts for it though.
>>4140618Neither is Digital Circus, but because it's so childish in presentation, kids end up being drawn to it anyway.
>>4140617>imagine if every chapter was 5
>>4140621>drugs are bad but because they feel so good, people are drawn to them anywayAh I see, we need to ban entertainment media made for teens and adults since kids might accidentally see it. Honestly I agree, without timewasters like that the adults and teens might learn skills and become functional again.
>>4140626Unironically yes, actually. 99% of media nowadays exists solely to push degenerate agendas or brainrot vulnerable minds until they become dopamine-addicted retards, perfect slaves to the profit margins. Every single fear people had over the past century or so when they first conceived of the radio, the telly, any form of home entertainment that wasn't simple toys, has become true now.
>>4140629They were closer to nature back then so they had a more meaningful link to life's truth, we've strayed further since then so that's why we can't see what we've become.
>>4140598Suselle will succeed because Toby likes it.
>>4140617It would be worse
>>4140631Toby just doesn't know better so that's why temmie is ghost writing the weird root
>>4140632Actually it just straight up wouldn't exist because conservitards don't make anything
>>4140601Hussie called Kris a twink THO
>>4140635Hussie is a retard
>>4140617Heterosexual male Kris (heterosexual btw) bullies monster kid into suicide for being transgender and they all have a dance party on the school floor followed by a mandatory 10 minute cutscene where Susie turns to the screen to explain racial crime statistics and why the epstein files aren't real, followed by a cameo from the real Elon Musk cyberbegging him to find the next 20 chapters
>>4140618who exactly was this written for?
>>4140634They made Lord of the Rings. They made Dirty Harry. They made Braveheart. And they made Dragon Quest.
Toriyama made Dragon Quest or was that another JPRG game?
>>4140649He designed the characters
>>4140635FemKris confirmed canon.
>>4140649Toriyama was the artist, the writing and game design came from Yuji Horii.
>>4140635>believing hussy>everlol
>>4140647The funny thing is they were leftists back then. They may be seen as "conservative" now but that has to do with overton, a leftist 10 years ago is a chud today if they still hold the same beliefs.
>>4140646xitter troons and lowbrow tumblrites the same people who praised steven universe all the way through, essentially
>>4140646Deltarune fans.
What did we learn in this thread?
>>4140646Drooling retards = susellefags
>>4140669FRIEND = Netskie affirmationI did not learn anything new or had my mindset changed.
>>4140669As always, Kris is female.
>>4140646Seeing casual players gush over this sequence is soul-crushing.
>>4140675So is seeing the same people seethe over it literally every single day for like a year
>>4140675It's how you distinguish real players from 'tards.
>>4140675I was a casual player and I still hated it
>>4140678I'm pretty sure it's just SoL. He guy hates Susie more than Satan.
>>4140659So children
>>4140683You shouldn't hate Satan anyway, he was given a raw deal and stood up to authority when no one else would
>>4140683Who's SoL? Susader of Light? Egyptian asshole who thinks Susie is a virus and scrubs his skin everyday so he doesn't get infected?
>>4140683Sarecen of Light?
>>4140669Nothing
>>4140683Susie is the Dragon, aka the Devil, and Noelle is the Whore of Babylon.
>>4140683Do you mean Krisellefag?
>>4140684Only in behavior and mindset
>>4140690That is too vague. Most of us are Krisellefags here.
>>4140690Krisellebot?
>>4140690Kriselle is the only reason to play the game. It is enough to build an entire game around
Kris big boobs.
>>4140699Kris after becoming a mom
>>4140699kris's kroobs
>>4140701Kris would have big boobs even before becoming a mom.
>>4140699>>4140701>>4140702krilk jugs
>>4140696Yeah, him.
>>4140705kris's kroobs kreate kreamy krilk
>>4140705I love human milk!
>>4140699>>4140704>>4140705Those tits would make Noelle a very happy doe, shame Kris is selfish and doesn't want to share their milk.
>>4140690Kriselle is unironically the main ship of Deltarune and if you can't see it by this point, you may genuinely be retarded
>>4140712Kris wants to share, it's just that Noelle is into flat girls now...
>>4140713Marking this post to laugh at you.
>>4140713>Main ship of Deltarune What level of copium is this?
>>4140711This but only the milk produced by Frisk, Chara and Aqua.
>>4140716The copium that the ferris wheel interaction and the hammer game existSuselle has nothing to offer, nothing real
>>4140718Suselle has literally everything else you retard.
>>4140717That but only the milk produced by the fangame human cowgirl.
>>4140719Then he's inviting a target on his back when people get sick of this shit
>>4140716You may genuinely be retarded.
>>4140715>>4140716>noelle keeping tabs on kris in ch1>all the scenes with kris and Noelle in ch2>the last part of the prophecy before "The Final Tragedy" is Susie and Noelle getting together >all the noelle and susie options for the festival failing or only going half way while noelle and kris succeed in each option>flowery pulling a no you when susie calls asgore crazy for trying to get toriel to love him again>literally all of weird routeI don't know what to tell you at this point.>Flowery
>>4140723People are already waking up to its shit writing.I'm willing to bet one of the reason Kriselle's popular is because the writing is superior.
>>4140725Another post marked.
>>4140727It honestly feels like a completely different game at times.
>>4140729temmie writing vs toby writing
>>4140725b-but Suselle have a dedicated OST called "I guess I'm in love"
>>4140714Susie is flat?
>>4140731well damni guess it does
>>4140720In this house yellow (the CANON one) was a shota.
>>4140732most characters in utdr are flatthe exceptions are the cats, toriel, and noelle
>>4140727Because it is. Kriselle means something.
>>4140734but kris canonically liked the cowboy show and wore asgore's cowboy hat, confirming the existence of cowgirls
>>4140734The flowers aren't the canon humans though!!
Reminder that the shadow crystals show Susie looking like shit while they show Noelle with flowers Kris got her and there's no one else to interrupt them
>>4140736Suselle also does, though! Even if you go with the less benelovents intepretations (Susie is a stand-in for Dess, Noelle is forcing herself as part of her social persona, Prophecy is course correcting for the new Girl), it's still a story about young and naive love blooming in the face of prophecies.
>>4140739They also show the TV being smashed into pieces, Kris missing their hand, Toriel holding someone else.
>>4140740But it's not loveNoelle wanting to get beaten up by some gorilla is not love
>>4140739That timeline doesn't work so it's irrelevant.
>>4140743There is no timelineThis story has no logic to it at all
>>4140742>Noelle wanting to get beaten up by some gorilla is not loveSo we agree Side B Kriselle/Soulelle isn't love glad we can agree on this
>>4140744You are mindbroken because the characters didn't do exactly what you wanted.
>>4140745I didn't beat up Noelle
>>4140744It had one, but Toby feared you might enjoy it and shat all over the storyboards
>>4140744...What's not logic about it?Noellr, Susie and Ralsei are following clear character arcs. Berdly and Asgore were self-contained evolutions, but they also had one.
>>4140746Yeah, why can't the game be a traditional fantasy story where the main character(male) marries his childhood friend and they go on adventures together"Time flies. Seems like just yesterday you and that girl had everyone here lined up" hits a lot harder if said girl is actually there.
>>4140745Not him but yes, Side B does not actually show a Kriselle romance. Noelle is out of her fucking mind, particularly during that route, there's no romance there, just an obsession with breaking free, and her seeing Kris as the only way of doing so. Her goal is freedom, if something made her stop seeing Kris as the key to her freedom, she'd drop him as soon as possible. Noelle in the weird route only cares about Kris insofar as he can be useful to her.
>>4140750>"Time flies. Seems like just yesterday you and that girl had everyone here lined up" hits a lot harder if said girl is actually there.No? The emotional impact comes from the fact the girl is not there anymore.
>>4140752I want Kris and noelle to go on adventures togetherYou spit on me for saying i want something like that in a game
>>4140750The people who used to write those stories were inspired by older fantasy stories they didn't understand like 90% of. That's the only way someone earnestly trying to make the best story they can produces something so simple. Toby Fox has actually played and understood RPGs.
>>4140718Suselle isn't breaking up aside from Weird Route, which is the "player bad" route that punishes you for doing it.Fans have been invested in this ship which has been basically guaranteed since Chapter 2 in 2021, and they've waited five years for them to finally start dating for real. Toby's not gonna backpedal on that, especially not when they can accuse him of queerbaiting, and then suddenly one of his closest associates leaks that he's actually a sex pest and/or a groomer pedophile.
>>4140750You're pretty retarted if you're playing a Toby Fox for "traditional narrative"
>>4140754So what I'll pay give it to meI cannot promote homosexuality on my channel, I cannot show that to children or I get in big troubleI don't want to show that either>>4140756I'm looking for said traditional narrative in general and no one makes them anymore
>>4140753Sure. I also told Toby to remove Noelle from ch5.
>>4140755Let them. I wanna see the japanese slice him up anyway
>>4140755They would have already accused him by making the weird rootBut of course they won't because these people just ignore what actually happens in the wrToby is lucky to have this fandom that has this level of patience and ignorance
>>4140754Sorry but Toby really isn't some one of a kind genius, there are many other games that feature stories that aren't just a standard fantasy romp that do a much better job than Toby has done with his games, many of his inspirations can serve as an example of that. Honestly Toby isn't even at the level of Yoko Taro when it comes to writing interesting stories.
>>4140761Because WR only happens if the player causes it. It's objectively the player's fault that Kris gets raped by Noelle. The blame is on you and your sick, twisted curiosity to break the rules and do what you're not supposed to.
>>4140727>People are already waking up to its shit writingHuh? I don't believe that. Cattle will always be cattle.
>>4140761Lesbians love the Weird Route anon. They are the 50% of Side B Kriselle fans.
>>4140758>I'll payYou and probably a single digit count of other people.>I can't show that on my channel!Your channel doesn't dictate what games exist.>NOBODY makes muh traditional stories anymore!That's because passionate creatives would basically never make a story simpler than their inspiration, and profit driven creatives would never defy the current zeitgeist.
>>4140766Find me somone in sound mind who prefers Suselle.
I hope traditional JRPGs keep on dying.
>>4140763Toby isn't some one of a kind genius, correct. Many stories are made with too much of an understanding of the genre they're working in for CoL's taste.
>>4140766It's not actual Deltarune fans, but LARPers and outsiders who finally feel like they're "allowed" to critique Toby without being mobbed for it thanks to all the Knight identity discourse. From the outside looking in, it seems as if Toby's writing is a mess because there's so many conflicting beliefs on who this character is, constantly butting heads and bullshitting evidence that isn't even sturdy, but their fans still hoot and holler over it because they want to be the winner of the Knight identity war, thus the outsiders start throwing out their own hot takes, stoking the flames of discourse even more.
>>4140754>I'm heterosexual can I see a heterosexual pairing for the main characters that's what I'm attracted to I don't want to promote homosexuality>erm you don't understand rpgs ackshally and stories are supposed to be gay ackshallyHow can you say that
>>4140773>can we go back to having stories written by clueless japs about western fantasy tropes they don't understand>"no, that type of creator doesn't exist anymore">wtf this is heterosexual oppression
My headcanon is that Kris is doing all of this just to bring Dess back and make both Noelle and Asriel happy again. It's a classic yin-yang scenario. Kris the red devil is secretly kind and selfless, while Noelle the white angel is selfish and only cares about gaining power.
>>4140770i hope that we get a traditional jrpg resurgence as a refutation of shitty subversive wrpg's
>>4140767Okay you're right since Kriselle is popularA better example would be Pink, the fandom instead of being suspicious with Toby about the kiss they just kinda ignore it
>>4140774I'm not the one who said the only reason men married women in games is because people didn't understand anything That is what you said
>>4140776You'll get it but they'll still subvert tons of ways the JRPG is "supposed" to go, and so you'll still be unhappy.
This is quite possibly one of the most retarded conversations I have ever seen in this website. You have one retard saying that RPGs with traditional stories don't exist anymore because toby fox is evil and has subverted the entire industry, then you have another retard saying that RPGs with traditional stories don't exist anymore because muh creative passion.Sometimes I feel like the only games some people have are played here are Undertale and Deltarune, and nothing else, I don't see any other explanation that would lead someone to make such profoundly stupid statements. Just fucking look at Final Fantasy Resonance, that's a classic Final Fantasy story that's had both great reviews and great sales.
>>4140778I didn't say that either. I said that the stories you're uplifting weren't written that way because anyone understood the "real values" they upheld, only because they were the standard answers to the questions the writers didn't want to think about.
>>4140738This is wrong (laughs)
>>4140772I'm hyped that Knight reveal will bring the same level of shitstrom as a ship, especially if it's not Dess
>>4140780>Final Fantasy Resonance>a shitty movile gameNo thanks. As Berdly would say, I'm a true gamer.
>>4140783all in on noelle knight it would be the most impactful while also causing unprecedented amounts of seething from everyone who tried to downplay her as only being susie's girlfriend/ kris' rape victim
>>4140780Silly Anon, Final Fantasy doesn't count anymore because of FF7R subverting Aerith's death because she realized she was in Hit Game Final Fantasy 7 and knew how to avoid her own demise, inspired by Robert Fox's universally beloved subversive meta storytelling! That means the franchise is tainted forever, not worth bringing into the discussion!
>>4140780RPGs with traditional stories do exist.RPGs with traditional stories wherein your party members are completely silent and flavorless extra action slots that have no bearing on the story are dead.
>>4140737Kris can cosplay as a cowboy but in this house yellow and blue are shotas.
>>4140783Better not be December
>>4140775>Kris is doing all of this just to bring Dess back and make both Noelle and Asriel happy again. It's a classic yin-yang scenarioI cucked myself today
>>4140751That's why that rebellious doe is going to get USED UP instead.
>>4140787Big words coming from the one who defends itEvery time you say stuff like that, you openly defend it
>>4140790Why, because nobody in the story has beaten you over the head with the evidence yet?
>>4140761Despite what this place may think queers and fags also like Kriselle and Krusie.
>>4140791How can you end up being a cuckold when Noelle and Kris aren’t even officially dating?
>>4140791Like the filename mentions, Kris is simply Toby's self insert, and as anyone here can imagine, Toby is the kind of guy who would let himself get fucked just so that a pair of lesbians could be happy.
>>4140786I think all Noelle has to do to achieve that level of seethe from the crowd you describe is last more than five minutes into 7B.
>>4140795Because I cannot take some teenage girl seriously
>>4140798Originally he was furious that he fumbled so hard in confessing his feelings to his childhood sweetheart before the new lesbo cunt came along and swept her off her feet, but then Toby "King of ERO Games" Fox realized he was OK with it because getting NTR'd is really hot to his broken cuckold mind.
>>4140800I assume you had the same problem with Flowey in Undertale since that guy was actually just a 6 year old kid
>>4140775>Kris the red devil is secretly kind and selfless, while Noelle the white angel is selfish and only cares about gaining power.This is the same type of subversion that gave us male integrity and female bravery so I believe it.
>>4140745>>4140751>Side B does not actually show a Kriselle romanceSide B has some Kriselle moments. The most obvious one is between chapters 3 and 4, when Kris visits Noelle without us.
>>4140800But you could take some 9 year old goat boy-turned-flower seriously?
>>4140800But you can take a teenage party seriously?
>>4140797By keeping your eyes open and watching the whole thing from some bench
>>4140802>>4140805See that's the thing I don't care about asriel, he can stay dead
>>4140799This is what's going to happen in 7Bhttps://youtu.be/Y3Fh8iDH4cc
>>4140809Oh, you're a neutral route cuck, that explains everything.Sorry big man, your particular run isn't any more "canon" than any other, Asriel is Flowey is the main antagonist and main threat to the player character.
>>4140809So just don't care about Knight? Kris is the real antagonist anyway.
>>4140801>getting NTR'd is really hotChapter 5 opened my eyes to the fact that Toby knows so many NTR/cuck scenarios and constantly references them. It's really his fetish...
>>4140812One you can't do anything about lol
>>4140814Yeah, the main antagonist will only be dealt with when the story has an ending.
>>4140814Just like how you couldn't do anything about Flowey until the end of the game?
>>4140804That's great but pretending that this would lead to a romance requires ignoring the entirety of 5's weird route. Focus on the current state of affairs, Noelle is completely gone mentally and focused entirely on gaining freedom, she sees Kris as the key to this so she attaches herself to him, but that's it, that's the only value Kris has in her eyes, the potential for freedom, take that away and Kris would get treated the same as Susie did. There's no path where this ends in a romance.
>>4140816Flowey doesn't stop doors from opening and violate everything about the games progression
>>4140818Yes he does, he could've gotten Alphys to reveal the true lab then go to hide/kill herself anytime he wanted, but he'll only DO it once you're completely locked in on the pacifist route.
>>4140812kris is the hero of this taleperhaps the only real one
>>4140818Then doesn't that make the eventuality of putting Kris in his bitchmade place all the sweeter? That after putting you through all this unnecessary bullfuck, you can finally wreck his shit and then feel the satisfaction of showing him that he should've known better than to waste everyone's time?
>>4140817>That's great but pretending that this would lead to a romance requires ignoring the entirety of 5's weird routeIt's a shame that the aborted WR in Chapter 4 doesn't go anywhere. But it should, since Kris and Noelle's relationship has changed drastically. Toby can't write anything interesting or well thought out.
One of the main criticisms of CoL towards Deltarune is that the full game isn't out yet after all this time which is a valid complaint but he expresses it in such a stupid manner that it makes him look wrong.
>>4140819He doesn't care about True Pacifist because that requires him to support a lesbian relationship, he'd rather kill everyone he encounters and enjoy one of the anarchy variant neutral endings.
>>4140823Chapter 5 "Aborted" spells it out, there's only two extremes. Normal Route cuckoldry misery porn, and Weird Route player bad misery porn.Gerson's just a loon, there is no "inbetween" aside from the obligatory Golden End for cuckoldry misery porn where Kris DOESN'T kill himself and instead takes permanent refuge in the cuck chair with a smile on his face.
>>4140822I doubt the game would after all of thatAfter the 2 full chapters of nothing, keep dreaming
>>4140824There are so many things that the episodic releases actively make worse.
>>4140829The story is going to end on "nothing", you complaining preemptively that you're not going to be allowed to address things the game is obviously building up to addressing just makes you look stupid.
>>4140822Not if the game doesn't let up for multiple years and makes 10+ hours of gameplay feel miserable. That initial comment about chapter 4 was serious, and I was genuinely that upset playing it after that scene, then ch5 did it again
>>4140827>weird route is just going to be player bad guys there is nothing else being said here at all no sirMindbroken.
>>4140822Doesn't take back the years of time lost
>>4140829The Knight Mystery genuinely isn't even supposed to be something you hyper-analyze for 10+ years, this epic bombastic reveal that will shock the world to its core, it's a minor "hmmm, I wonder..." you absentmindedly think about over the course of a single weekend, which is how Toby envisions people will play Deltarune after it fully releases.The dripfeed of information also hurts the game's ability to tell its story, because Toby is so protective of the fever dream ending that he doesn't want it to be predictable AT ALL, and at this point it seems so unavoidably tied to THAT DAY that it means we're not allowed to learn anything useful.Fuck's sake, we're halfway through the story, and the only thing we know for sure about THAT DAY is that Knight was there due to the presence of Black Shards, and then Asgore came at some point to find the Black Shards. No other characters are confirmed to have been there.
>>4140832Too bad then, you are objecting to a premise spelled out by the end of chapter one, "Kris is the main antagonist", you either let the story address the main antagonist when it is ENDING or you bail because you can't wait for the ending. There is no third option where the antagonist has a real world timer put on their head and the story will continue with or without them. That is lunacy, and expecting it is lunacy.
>>4140788I don't believe you.>>4140836I object to this being the future of the genre
>>4140835kris was, because asgore is aware that kris can seal fountains, and we know kris has been in one prior to ch1 thanks to the save file
>>4140838RPGs with traditional stories are only made by people with passion for the RPGs they like.RPGs where the party members are borderline inanimate totems of the player's will are generally not made by people who like RPGs.
You know what I want after Deltarune is done? An in-depth explanation of the entire development process. I wanr that because I want an explanation for how the game took so long to finish, it's just baffling to me given the team size and the resources available to it.
>>4140841the only way we're ever going to hear about it is if one of the minor people involved blabs about it, and they're all under nda's
>>4140788>>4140840The characters don't have to be silent to be supportive of your main character.
>>4140839Not confirmed, Kris could have been exposed to a different Dark Fountain with no relation to THAT DAY's fountain.
>>4140841I can imagine it taking more time than most people would expect to tweak all the little parts of a given animation, bullet pattern, stuff like that. Lots of fan works slack in that department and it's noticeable.
>>4140846fuck...i was being presumptuous once again...
>>4140781Maybe I don't want to think about it either. Don't you tell me that characters were straight by accident, and don't you tell me to support what I consider to be as disgusting as it gets
>>4140844If they don't offer some kind of conflict to the main character then they don't need to be a separate character, they may as well be an orb the main character absorbs to unlock new powers. The point of a character is to DO things.
>>4140857Why? Why can't a knight be loyal and supportive?
>>4140859He can, but only if he has shortcomings the main character has to make up for, or his presence ropes the party into a quest that he does a lot in, or something like that. Give him a reason to be a character and not just a new dropdown in the hero's skill list.
>>4140820Every villain is the hero of their own story.
>>4140835We also know Dark Worlds were involved, too.
74 perfectly foreshadows deltarune. Susie the dragon pretending to be a princess, luring in gullible obedient little white knights like Kris playing the part of the "perfect saviour" who will rescue the princess from her captivity in low income housing as a perennial social outcast, only to rugpull them by becoming lesbian to spite the player and dragging them along to be her little cuck slave forever until they've become a hollow husk, I bet Susie will try to sacrifice Kris by forcing them to transition to a girl so that they can die instead of Noelle, fucking bastard traitor
susie is the evilest character in existence
delta /v/ is dead and jannie killed it
>red horns>demonic red eyes>maliciousKris is the dragon...
>>4140916Sounds horrible.
>>4140873I would still take that over what Susie has turned into. I do not enjoy this character.
old logs r fun
>>4141009well i hope you had fun raping us toby, cause now im crying
>>4141009>a jesterso you mean to tell me that jevil was originally a main character and got axed?
>>4141026or it's a character we haven't been introduced to yet. everyone just assumed the "clown around town" was referring to jevil. that or it's lancer and he transforms into mr generosity and has more prominent jester aesthetics (lancer already was a party member at one point).
>>4141026>>4141031Seam saying that it was probably better to take care of Jevil now could have been alluding to another character with similar powers and patterns, given how much Toby fucking LOVES pulling the [Thing] =/= [Thing] card.
>>4141009>yellow guyMaleKris confirmed.
>>4140675dont fret, most of them only do it out of fear of the leftists' reactions if they opposed it
>>4141009>A mimiga
official art timewhat does this mean?
>>4141009Doubt this is real, it feels too convenient.
>>4141009Starwalker, Purple Guy, Jevil and Asriel
>>4141064It means that the Knight is an Holiday
>>4141070Anyone with eyes could see the antlers.
>Doomgods are gearing up for war already
>>4141074I'm starting to believe this need for Deltarune to suck is pathological.
>>4141078Of course. The longer the WAIT goes, the grander the expectation of everyone who plays DELTARUNE, so Toby acts in direct spite of this expectation.Had he not grown greedy and sold merch for a demo, insisting upon episodic releases to continue making more merch, the expectations would not be so lofty and grand, and he would not have to act in spite, instead he could shock the world with the dream game that somehow pulled through some 10-15 years later after but a one-chapter demo.
>>4141078>I'm starting to believe whatever I want to believeMore power to you schizo
>>4141074That board is too subjective. "disappointing" or "lame" is too vague. It has to be specific.
I don't think pic related works as FemKris evidence. That would mean that the cage is the axe hero, and looks just like Susie. It doesn't fit.
>>4141078but it already sucks
>>4141078It's the behavior of the raped™
Just 4 more days until we DON'T get a newsletter.
>>4141092You'll get another happy birthday tweet with another typo to bait ICE-Efags again, and you'll fucking like it.
>>4141074Hey someone remembers my doom bingo>>4141082Try to think of it in terms of fan reception >>4141078A perverted sentimentality even
4 more days until CoL's execution
just 67 more rapes until rape day
I can't take another Suselle chapter...
Battat spotted
>>4141115why so smol
>>4141115why does kris look like hes wearing the papyrus battle body
>>4141118Same base inspiration (Varik/Ares)
>>4141119ah, that makes sense yeah
>>4140924Just like this place. Very grim.
>>4141009Very fake and gay>>4141026Why are you taking this seriously?
>>4141064Noelle and the Knight have a connection.
>>4141078Don't talk shit about the only OC these threads made.
>>4141133This changes so many things... I think we can also say with certainty that the sky is blue and grass is green
>>4141064Strange that I haven't seen any schizos try to spin this as Noelle Knight evidence.
>>4140924it's a hard pill to swallow but those threads have gotten so fucking bad that nothing of value was lost
>>4141137I'm seeing mostly Dess Knighters using it to say it got confirmed.
>>4141138How does janny cock taste like?
>>4141144Like suselle
>>4140394>Supposed to watch Orange, but Orange doesn't like Netskies.The implication here is that FRIEND was created and then abandoned by Gaster.
>>4141155Gaster created the friends to watch over his daugher Susie bros...
ermm stop talking about vidya on /v/ pl0x
>>4141160That thread was kinda bad so it's not a HUGE loss.
>>4141144"/v/ jannies should not be deleting Deltarune threads" and "Deltarune threads on /v/ are complete dogshit" are not mutually exclusive statements. You can think something is terrible and still think it has a right to exist. But at the same time, if it does go away, I'm not exactly going to be crying myself to sleep over it.
>>4141165How much were you raped in the /v/ threads?
>>4141166June, 26... June, 5...Two sweltering summers he'll never forget.
>>4141166Kind of a bizarre way of conceding but I'll accept it nonetheless.
>>4141168The answer is "very". Noted.
share times you acted like michael
>>4141202Uoh ToT
>>4141205Wherever I read this thread.
kris is precious to me
>>4141210Ralsei...
>>4141210Asgore...
>>4141210Same. They deserve the world. They're the one character I hope with all my heart Toby continues not fucking up. I don't know if they'll have a happy ending, but at the very least I hope they have a satisfying arc and conclusion by the end.
>>4141210Words Noelle has never said out loud...
so cute
>>4141210The Soul...
>>4141205For me, it was when I tried to predict when chapters 3-5 (and then 3 & 4) would come out, and why Toby didn't want to do individual chapter releases at first.>TL;DR, I wanted them to release on 2024.>Chapter 1 took three years to come out after Undertale, and chapter 2 took another three years after chapter 1.>Therefore, my prediction of his release ethic was as such: if he realized that it would be three years in between chapter releases, both chapters really took about a year to develop, AND he now had a much larger team since chapter 2's release, then there should be THREE chapters per release for every year of development.>As such, 2024 would've ideally been the release year of chapters 3-5; and 2027 would ideally have been the release year of chapters 6, 7, and (now that we know it exists in retrospect) 7B.>When chapter 5 was pushed back because chapter 3 took two years to develop, I reasoned that it was so he could still make a 2024 release with just two chapters, especially with chapter 4 being described as more straightforward than 3; hearing work already resuming on chapter 5, along with the hiring of the director, also indicated that development was going much smoother than I expected.>And then it fell apart when Gamemaker LTS testing began and it got delayed into 2025, where I only THEN lost most of my patience and had my eyes glued to his bsky account until April.Looking back, I still believe that this was Toby's original release plans for the game, but he simply overestimated his abilities at managing a team and got slammed with wildcards such as chapter 3's development time, testing Gamemaker's game_change() function, and spontaneously turning the game into a Switch 2 launch title. The only thing this theory has against it is the 2027 date going well past the seven year limit of how long he'd be willing to work on the game in his 2018 twitlonger, but I assumed that was irrelevant since that only applied to him being a solo dev.
>>4141204Uoooohhhhh ToT
>>4141219Masochist
>>4141226Krisoul is canon
>>4141064>concert for youdoes it last 1 second too or it's a real track
There's new merch on fangamer so we're probably getting a newsletter this weekhttps://www.fangamer.com/collections/deltarune?_pos=1&_psq=DELTARUNE&_psid=2d0ccd25f&_ss=e&sort_by=created-descending
>>4141238
>>4141241He keeps getting bigger...
>>4141242regular ralsei has actually been shrinking
>>4141241Do you think it has fur
Stop make assumptions based off of limited information RIGHT NOW >:(
>>4141252Nobody minds the assumptions, people mind when the work offering new information contradicting assumptions is treated as a hostile act on the part of the work.
>>4141226I wish Noelle would rape my soul.
Deltarune releasing in chapters was the right move, we'd be waiting until 2035 for this shit if Toby released everything at once, and that shit would have 3 billion drafts and cut concepts and revisions and it would be ass
>>4141238>Actual Jackenstein plushBasically confirmed for Halloween then.
>>4141256Actually I think more cut content is generally a good thing for a game. Team Fortress 2 is among the best games of all time and lo and behold it has a couple nearly complete concepts it discarded in full.
>>4141255She didn't say that
>>4141258>Scout would've had a catcher's mitt melee that would let him catch projectiles, hold them for later, and annihilate a push with a crit rocket he saved for a rainy day.>Sniper would've had a rifle that lets him move at full speed while scoped, and guarantee a win in every duel with a sniper without it.>Demoman would've had a Chargin' Targe reskin that supported decals.Fucking imagine what we could've had.
>>4141256Deltarune releasing over a period of 2 years would've been significantly better. Waiting this long between small updates is just driving people insane and making them create golden calves nonstop.
>>4141252I really don't get what he means by this.
>>4141269>Chapter 2 predictions that were more card kingdom>Chapter 3 predictions that had Toriel in the exact role of Noelle>Chapter 3 predictions that had Mike as Spamton 2 and also the chapter boss sometimes
>>4141269>Killing Bowser with fireballs in SMB1 reveals that the bowsers in all castles from Worlds 1 to 7 are actually his minions in disguise.>The World 1 bowser is a goomba in disguise.>If SMB1 was episodically released, fans would assume Bowser doesn't exist, and the final boss is just a bigger stronger goomba.
>>4141143which is funny because nothing about that actually has any direct connection to dessall the 'proof' is speculation, which in deltarune means it's effectively worthless
>>4141250his sheath and balls would
>>4141269mistaking the rank-and-file enemy (goomba/friend) for the mastermind (bowser/gaster)
>>4141270>>4141271>>4141277I like how I got three different explanations lol
>>4141279Because it's three expressions of the same problem the image is talking about. Seeing a very limited bit of information and making wild leaps about the rest of the game based on it.
>>4141280Yet another problem that foundationally ties to the episodic releases, none of this is meant to be a decade-long mystery, it's meant to last for a single weekend because when the full game is out, you'll get to come across the truth of these matters in no time at all.
>>4141282>the game FORCED me to be an annoying faggotNo.
>>4141282>no you see I HAD to spend a full year whining about how my predictions were only wrong because tricky Tony changed the game to spite me, the episodic release made me do it
>>4141284>>4141286Ah, so now we're not allowed to critique how the game is handling its development cycle anymore? Have we reached the point that Toby's white knights have invaded the thread to counterbalance the schizophrenic hatred?
>>4141238https://toby.fangamer.com/newsletters/halloween26/IT'S HERE
>>4141293how about I fucking kill you
>>4141289>the release cycle is at fault for the behavior of fans>"no">so we're not allowed to criticize the release cycle at all then?????
>>4141238This next newsletter, assuming it's real, has a lot of rape potential, it will be interesting to see.
>>4141300Tell me what the Bromides, the Flowery Dollar, and the Jackenstein and Ralsei plushes have to do with rape.
Next newsletter will contain even more FemKris evidence.
>>4141301Someone will rape the Jack and Ralsei plushies
>>4141304>rapeRalsei trusts the player INTIMATELY and WILL consent
>>4141301It is quite simple, because there's new merch, the newsletter could focus entirely on it, and whatever collaborations Toby has been working on during this time, and the progress report could short and so ambiguous that it basically offers no new information on what development stage the chapter is on. Add in a small, inconsequential teaser of chapter 6 that is suselle adjacent, and you have the perfect recipe to rape anons with.
>>4141305but that's a plushie of Ralsei, it can't consent.
>>4141303He will call Kris a "waifu"
>>4141101>but you see anon, characters in games were never meant to be straight
>nurse ralsei commercial repeatedly calls him a hejej
>>4141315Is trans ralsei the biggest schizo hallucination of all time?
>>4141316no, you created these people and now you have to sit with them
>>4141317>you created these people
>>4141318Did you not? This is the thread that told me multiple times that i should just accept that all the characters are gay in everything and that men being attracted to women was never a intentional choice.That's what you people believe in.
>>4141319>CoL raped meThat's a new one.
>>4141319
>>4141322>>4140781right here
>>4141284>>4141286He's right, the schizophrenia only exists because of the WAIT. Undertale didn't have it.
>>4141329>Undertale didn't have schizophreniaPoopy Joe... forgotten...
>>4141329>forgetting about the "WHY AM I IN THE WRONG FOR DEFENDING MYSELF!?" schizos who've been ranting and raving about "the friendly RPG where no one has to die" admonishing them for killing monsters since 2015
>>4141331they still do that though
>>4141334Exactly. So to say Undertale doesn't have schizophrenia is retarded.
>>4141331>but the pacicucks are totally innocent guys
>>4141337>WHY AM I IN THE WRONG FOR DEFENDING MYSELF?!?!?!?!speak of the devil
>>4141310>check artist again >they deleted the frisk drawing because of harassment Shame. Glad I saved it and that it was already uploaded in danbooru.
>>4141331Nah, it was just a bunch of kids feeling guilty for killing wholesome fictional creatures. Imagine a 7 year old playing that, killing a character, and the game treating them like an actual murderer. That's literally all that happened, just clueless retarded kids taking it too seriously.
>>4141330Nobody cares about a literal poopdickschizo>>4141331Fair, but I was talking about schizophrenia like wrong theories, which only exists because of the WAIT.
>>4141340Why am I? Other games let me attack stuff and call me a hero for doing it, are you gonna do that to all of my games, because thats the only way this can end.
Halloween newsletter in just 3 days. Can you believe it?
There will be a nintendo indie direct tomorrow, doubt deltarune will be in it but there is a chance
>>4141349it shouldnt be on nintendo platforms period
>>4141349Not happening, Deltarune is main direct material. If Toby put that shit in Indie World it'd completely eclipse everyone else, and they'd all be pissed Robert Foxington completely stole the spotlight.
>>4141349I think it's too early for an announcement. The longest we've gone between a trailer and release is about two months. Even if 6 was content complete right now, translation, porting, and bugtesting are going to take another 3-4 months minimum. And that's even factoring in the ~month they take off around new years.
>>4141353A newsletter is more likely to happen this soon, but a release date trailer won't be until the main winter direct at the absolute earliest, but more realistically it's going to be yet another summer release.
>B-b-but we totally can't play the adventure straight! >We can't sell a remake that we advertised as one! >Think of all the people who know the story already!Yes you can. Ocarina of Time Remake treats its adventure as sacred and timeless, something you cannot trample on for the sake of subversion. A adventure that was not made as it was by accident.
>>4141238Why are those called Bromide, anyway?
>>4141358
>>4141252That's not that far from reality, though. Instead of a big goomba, Mario fights a big koopa.
>>4141358>>4141359Specifically, the bromides are references to Lunar, an RPG series, which has similar collectibles.
>>4141359>literally no one from the states is gonna understand this when the game comes out
FemKris chads... I am scared
>>4141363Noelle is looking at Susie btw
>>4141365
>>4141363this is clearly suselle with kris on the chair again, dont get your hopes up
>>4141357what the fuck are you talking about bro
>>4141363>most masculine Kris to date is put on official suselle artVery interesting.
>>4141370And people still don't think Toby "King of ERO Games" Fox is an NTRfag.
>>4141349It won't because Toby only puts Deltarune in the main directs. This is a big shot game.
>most masculine kris>wide flat girl wearing an undershirt + sweater
>>4141359Always bet on nippon pun.
>>4141363>white and tall KrisOff-model TRASH.
>>4141368I'm talking about the excuse this thread used as to why ff7 remake couldn't tell the story of ff7, and the excuse this thread gave as to why Deltarune couldn't just do the story of the prophecy and not bend and twist and break it at every possible turnThey think Ocarina of Time and other games I love were made that way by accident and that its normal for the hero knight character to be a cuck and for all the characters to be gay, as uttered from their own lips. Swollen from sucking Robert off, no doubt.
>>4141380>tallIt's just a perspective thing. Kris is obviously walking in the back, while Noelle and Susie are walking ahead together.
>>4141382
>>4141363>>>>white KrisKEKWoooooooooooooooooooooooooh boy dis gunna b gud
>>4141357>Ocarina of Time Remake treats its adventure as sacred and timelessAfter Nintendo spent like a decade or more pissing on its grave?
>>4141400what are you talking about
>>4141363Kris is a boy. Only blind people would deny it. You can tell just by looking at his sprite.
>>4141363official art isn't canon and should never be treated as such it can, however, be used to shitpost about various things
>4141402>He's back
>>4141402He is Boye.
>>4141406Rent-free
>>4141402Do you realize how ironic it is to want Kris to be a boy while ALSO shipping Kriselle when Noelle is literally a LESBIAN? What's your next point, that Noelle turned into a lesbian out of spite because Kris ghosted her for years?
>>4141363Honestly quite an amazing piece of merch, not only does it allow to bring back Kris gender shitposting, but also suselle shitposting, it's like Toby is monitoring these threads and trying to find the most effective way to shit them up, truly incredible.
>>4141401The golden goddesses don't do shit, Hylia is the goddess of the entire Triforce and Zelda is her reincarnation. Link and Ganondorf are cursed to reincarnate in Zelda's vicinity for the rest of time, this is why they canonically keep reappearing.This happened in 2011 with Skyward Sword. They've stuck with it since.
>>4141410There's nothing in the game that actually confirms Noelle is lesbian. There's lots of "wow she sure does like girls" subtext, but none of it says "wow she has zero romantic or sexual attraction to boys".What you should've pointed out was that Berdly is ONLY interested in Gamer Girls, which is why he's attracted to Noelle, then becomes attracted to Susie when he learns she plays videogames, and finally shows he's willing to go to the festival with Kris in a romantic context.
>>4141412you don't like skyward sword?
>>4141414>Berdly is ONLY interested in Gamer GirlsAnd where does it say that? He turns Kris down in ch2 by the way
>>4141412Wind Waker already raped things by painting the goddesses as assholes who WANT the cycle of good and evil to continue forever, seeing as how they answered Hyrule's prayers for a hero by instead flooding the whole fucking thing, when they were SUPPOSED to be departing from interventions in the world they created, per the exposition cutscene from OOT.
>>4141410>Noelle is literally a LESBIAN?Headcanon. Noelle might be bisexual. Unless Noelle comes out and says, "I'M A LESBIAN!" in the next chapter, your argument will continue to be considered headcanon.
>>4141419What is your opinion on Noah and the great Deluge, by any chance?
I think it's very funny to have this discussion over a picture where Noelle is looking at Susie.
>>4141407I'm glad you embraced Link but blue.
>>4141419I think that was more a result of Zelda fucking everything up in the ending of OoT by wishing on the Triforce to remove one of its holders from existence. She upset some cosmic balance even if the Triforce itself wasn't damaged. A profaned Triforce leading to the downfall of the kingdom that holds it has been a part of the plot since Zelda 2.
>>4141410Kriselle is written as a relationship between a girl and a boy. There's not even a hint of a yuri romance.
>>4141423No shit einstein, that still doesn't remove the wr which is the actual discussion
>>4141423Nobody gives a shit about Susie. Suselle is garbage by default.
>the rape started before the newsletter even droppedToby, is strong...
>>4141434Suselle is raping my brain cells.
>>4141434Toby is using his Phantom Limb Technique to rape us before he even touches us
White KrisPoints for chuddies
>>4141363It's fangamer merch what did you expect?
>>4141434This is just the ongoing rape since Chapter 5 dropped, when Krusiefags were shot dead, Krisellefags had to enter cope mode that Weird Route isn't the Kriselle Date Route, and that Toby has been getting increasingly vicious with NTR jokes and references.
Toby is such a yurichad he made his entire NTR love triangle full of lesbians.
>>4141410>out of spiteWhy not, Noelle gets ultra nostalgic when Kris uses his real voice to talk with herThat could be an actual plot point, Noelle hating that Kris ghosted her
>>4141440This is like Madoka Magica if Homura got cucked or something.
>>4141410>What's your next point, that Noelle turned into a lesbian out of spite because Kris ghosted her for years?isn't that literally what happened to toby, his girlfriend and his school bully?
>>4141441But Noelle's the Knight? Kris hasn't ghosted her at all, if anything they've been the closest they've ever been with how critically protective he is of her secret identity.
How would a Weird/Sword Route of the first Zelda look like?
Noelle is a lesbian and into human women only.Kris is female and bisexual.Susie is.
>>4141447HEADCANON HEADCANON HEADCANON
>>4141447>Noelle is [HEADCANON]>Kris is [HEADCANON]
dessriel sex
/ll/ Kress sex
Real talkIs Susie a dinosaur or a dragon?
>>4141446he already considers all zelda games to be a weird route
>>4141443homura got cucked 100+ times by fate itselfthere's a reason she's nuts
>>4141450BORINGGive me Kress
>>4141453she's referred to as a dragon in game multiple times by various characters and text i can't recall a single time where she's referred to as a dinosaur
>>4141441No. Toby doesn’t have the balls to do that, especially when half of his fanbase is made up of queer feminists.
>>4141453Dykosaur
>>4141452the forbidden path began with /ll/
>>4141457Not Susie specifically but the Forgotten Man mentions dinosaurs
>>4141461Spooky...
>>4141455Also, both Kris and Madoka are victims of unfortunate circumstance they couldn't control, a critical event that would result in the suffering of their loved ones and a feeling that it's their fault the suffering has continued instead of simply ending, because that critical event eventually comes to revolve around them whether they want it to or not (the promise that binds Kris, Homura's timeloops that bind Madoka).
>>4141459But toby is already doing that thoughever?We just don't have the gender, but now we have skin color just to fuck with people calling it ''official'' lol
>>4141465nothing came of this by the way
Why is Gaster experimenting with yuri cuckold torture nexuses?
>>4141467Because Gaster is Toby, and Toby "King of ERO Games" Fox is an NTR addict, like many ERO Game enjoyers.
>>4141468the least he can do is not shove it down everyone's throat
>>4141466No shit, Kris didn't want to go the Festival after you did Soul rape on her and Noelle.
>>4141456cute ship but not canon at all
>>4141470that is the same excuse as making 7b a black screenits like you want the game to do less and less
>>41414727B is already confirmed outside of the game to be a Chapter with bosses, fights and Maps so your seething doesn't matter much.
>>4141474But the festival was already confirmed to be a big climactic date where you finally get to be with Noelle and it didn't happen! The game LIED to me!!!! It can lie to you too!!!!!!!!!lmao
>>4141476Toby Fox lied to us...
>>4141472You should've known since CHAPTER FUCKING ONE that Kris will not do things if he disagrees with them, while also doing things you disagree with, and have no way to stop them.2018 was your chance to recognize "oh no, this game is gonna do some straight bullshit" and not give a shit. But you didn't, and now you seethe forever about it, and it's entirely your fault.
>>4141478people are supposed to like this and support it on a massive scale?
>>4141480No, if it makes them uncomfortable, it's only meant to make them ask what exactly about it is objectionable, not to convince them it's fine.
>>4141423It's just CoL and Krisellebot jerking each other.
>>4141481What about it is objectionable? Lets start with the blow to my immersion. I don't appreciate that being the future of an INTERACTIVE medium.
Piano cover depicting Kris as a lank demon instead of a broad shouldered Giga manlet was a crime
>>4141483When you produce absolute schizophrenic nonsense like this, it should be a sign to step away from the keyboard.
>>4141443>>4141455>Homura is the cuckedI guess that makes the crossover art accurate (even the Deltarune ones as both Kris and Noelle trade roles of being cucked)
>>4141486If you want to make a movie instead of a game, just make a movie instead. If you don't value the player's experience, maybe you shouldn't be making games.You can end up like Bioware if you want to pull stunts like that.
>>4141489CoL repeating ACfag talking points... this is sad.
>>4141489Every single game with a story is just a movie because sheer interactivity is the antithesis of story.Your precious Dragon Quest is but a playable fantasy movie of a hero who vanquishes evil, saves towns from their local problems, and eventually slays the Demon King.You contribute to the problem by wanting games with story instead of games with pure gameplay, like Tetris.
>>4141491>Your precious Dragon Quest is but a playable fantasy movie of a hero who vanquishes evil, saves towns from their local problems, and eventually slays the Demon King.And this is...problematic somehow?
>>4141494sounds like your problem is with deltarune's story rather than anything else.
>>4141494Yes, because eventually people grow tired of those stories, as not everyone is an autist who likes the same thing over and over and over again.That's how you get people like Toby, who grow tired of JRPGs, and want to subvert them, and then the subversion is a massive cultural success, and inspires others to pull their own subversions.If you never bought into games with stories and made them successful, fuckers like Robert wouldn't have ever had a storytelling medium to grow tired of, and a desire to subvert that medium.
>>4141363making Kris pale really does accentuate that "Deltarune Chara" feeling, maybe he actually will try to rope himself next chapter too
>>4141496I dunno, it sounds like story is inevitable, and thus that subversion is inevitable, so long as not literally everyone who engages in an entire creative medium is afflicted with the "don't change anything ever" flavor of autism.
>>4141495Well...yes. I hate deltarunes story, ch4 and ch5 were unplayable. I have discussed what i hate about them at length. That is not what I want from an rpg, and he should be ashamed to sell that on a Nintendo console.>>4141496>its actually your fault that the thing you like isn't made anymore
>>4141501you can still get generic "hero slays da villan and saves da day" stories, you know. there's plenty of indie projects on steam like that.
>>4141447All canon
That's it, I'm filtering Dragon Quest from my Deltarune threads
>>4141453Dragon.
>>4141501There are plenty of issues with ch4 and 5, none of them go against the game being an RPG or being on a Nintendo console.
>>4141465Kris has been white in several fangamer arts. Secondaries baka
>>4141504and i'll filter deltarune from my dq threads
>>4141498Chara if she bald vesselAlso Toby purposefully adding red eyes to her is more proof that's the canon eye color btw.
>>4141507muttoids hate it when you remind them that hometown is one of the whitest towns ever conceived by an american
>>4141508>Implying you'd get along with anyone else who talks about dragon questone dissenting opinion and you'll start seeing Toby Fox sleeper agents everywhere just like you already claim to
>>4141504Susie’s Quest
If Noelle was a human she would be black while Susie would be white.
>>4141514Nah, Susie's a nigger too, she gets dreadlocks, and if a whitey did dreadlocks, snowflakes and niggers alike would chimp out.
>>4141516Not if she was cool enough
>>4141512i'm shitposting, anon, i've never played dragon quest
>>4141514the closest thing to a coloured person in the holiday family is rudy, who is north italian at the darkest
>>4141514Noelle is blonde and her mother is pretty obviously white-coded. Rudy is a bit brownish, so that would make Noelle light-skinned.
>>4141519He strikes me more as a hispanic uncle kinda guy actually
Rudy is the actual mayor, Carol is just filling in while he's sick
>>4141518not any of those anons, but DQ7 was a really good RPG. id suggest playing it on the playstation.
>>4141524Play it on the 3ds instead
Kris is asian actually
>>4141525Eh, it depends on your preferences. The original's really good at weaving its storytelling into its gameplay to make its points both about its central themes and Dragon Quest itself, but the 3DS remake loses some of that in the name of streamlining and convenience.
kris is a chinaman who eat bugs and gutter oil
>>4141526Kris is a bootleg Simpson.
>>4141527It really doesn't. After the initial section in Pilchard Bay, the game is mostly the same. I played it.
>>4141526kris is finngolian
>>4141504BUT THE MISSIONTHE MISSION
>>4141220I did that as well. Not gonna go into details but I arrived at a similar 2024 conclusion but through different means, mostly by paying attention to details of what we knew about ch2's development.My fatal mistake is that I trusted the "after ch2 the rest of the game should be quicker" remark from Toby, and also how I had never anticipated Zelda/climbing/platforming would be the direction the game would take. I assumed the gameplay foundations were there and the only extras would be punch-out or tea cup ride tier at most.
>>4141514Masterful subversion as always, Toby.
>>4141514i frankly think human susie fits more as a latina than a black girl
Susie is trailer trash
which candies do they like?
>>4141572two little girls
>>4141572My human wives.
>>4141578>>4141580that's not the question retards
>>4141572The purple one looks like Lucca Chrono Trigger
Nah, janny, I’ll use /vrpg/Nice try though
>>4141588Okay, they like my cum (it's human candy)
>>4141596sure hope you are eating tons of pineapples and all that stuff
Right is cuter tho
>>4141660Ralsei shrinkflation is real
>>4141660They are both ugly.
>>4141660>>4141671>
>>4141660shrinkflation is taking ralsei's inches awayhe will be castrated soon
>>4141671You don't think this is cute?
Glassesless ralsei
>>4141679Cute? Yeah. Gay? Yeah. Too bad I'm not gay, that's why I prefer Kris.
>>4141674Transei confirmed.
Are the horrified "wow! That was so gold!" And "y-yeah" sprites from ralsei him realizing that the player is a deranged completionist and therefore more likely to try and complete the weird route? That he's sick as fuck of having to watch them waste time doing inane bullshit out of some inscrutable sense of self fulfillment? Just an absurdist gag?
>>4141679He unironically looks better without the shitty make up.
>>4141660This plush shit will age like milk in 10 years
>>4141690He doesn't get too spooked by the Terakota cleaning thing.I still have this weird feeling this was an attempt at making a sõyjak joke but without it obviously referencing the sharty by replacing "gem" with "gold".
>>4141693this whole thing is just more dynamite in the barrel for when most fans inevitably get pissed of by the ending and lash out
>>4141694It was definitely not that.
>>4141698I don't believe this idea, but it just rubs me the wrong way.Like, he also did the weather couple YTMND parody, but was he aware Moon Man was also a thing there?
>>4141696He deserves it after this "tired of traditional rpgs" thing
>>4141699Maybe my memory is failing me but wasn't Moon Man and his songs far older than that shitshole?
>>4141702I don't recall exactly the timeline, but it was a big thing in YTMND and seemly hurt the image of Mac Tonight
>>4141693Milk that will be soaked up by said Ralsei plush and thrown against a wall only for the milk to be sucked up.
>>4141694Isn’t “Gold” capitalized because it was Flowery’s proto name
Y'all got any...........MUSHROOMS????
apo
>>4141702Older than->Moon Man's only 2007>NSMB was 2004What the hell, that all feels way older than that.
>>4141694The dialogue was just an excuse to put in the Fire Punch meme face. Very clearly put in by the guest writers.
>>4141725SEX
>>4141679Why does Ralsei wear makeup? How can you see this shit and not think it's going to lead to tranny shit?
>>4141690It's just a face form a serious moment in Chapter 7 where everything's going to shit and Ralsei is left with complete and utter horror, and Toby thought would be really funny to use out of its intended context by using it exclusively in shitpost moments.
chapter 7 song leakedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxz6vpfmkcE
The throne room of castle town will never be seenA cutting message about entitled fans who want good worldbuidling or something
I wish you all a very mew middle week
>>4141363Post the full item image.
>>4141764>chapter 7b>last boss dies like a bitch mettaton neo style>youtube video essaysts, fags on twitter, fags on /v/, all celebrate the subversive masterpiece that is deltarune while dunking on the raped retards who thought they would get anything at all
>>4141765He kewt
>>4141747so people think he's a darkner by having color in his portrait
>>4141764>>4141771>what if...This should be good>the game... I just lost. LOL! >fuckingSurely this will be an insightful and fresh idea>SUCKED?Ugggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh so BORING
>>4141776That's a good take but in that case they should have just done eye color or better yet never take the hat off because Ralsei needs a hat he should always wear the hat because he looked way better with it on and the fact that he hates it just makes it worse just put the hat on put it on and always smile even if you don't feel happy
>>4141525>overworld enemies>fragment finder>first puzzle sequence removed>intro section removed>sped up exp/class exp ratesits better if you're a filthy fucking casual, sure
>>4141771This thread does this every day>>4141778Every day you tell me how it's a good thing that the game adds less and less every release, how its a good thing then weird route does nothing for 2 chapters, takes the laziest path possible with another, and outright skips one of them because the writers gave up.You have supported this every day.
>>4141780>sped up exp/class exp ratesThat can only ever be a good thing in old school JRPGs
>>4141778The game already sucks. The question to ask is now "what if it sucks EVEN MORE!?"
>>4141781I wasn't here yesterday so there goes your little pet theory.
>>4141780Yeah, making vocations easier to grind is a good thing actually. I'm not sitting there grinding 50 extra battles and overleveling myself because I want access to damaging spells in the midgame.
>>4141784It's not what if it sucks more, it's what new and interesting ways it will choose to suck.
>Toby's "lol buy my merch" jokes can't even be timeless because of inflation, as now the Ralsei plush costs 36 bucks instead of 32
>>4141780It's a chimaera, not a wyvernDragon Quest, not Dragon Warrior.
>>4141789>game updates>no one knows what the fuck was added until they replay ch3
>>4141781The other day I saw a fag on xitter celebrating how Pink subverted expectations for guest lightners by not gaining a voice bit and not having "obligatory screentime".The retards celebrate the fact the game did not even try to achieve the full potential of something solely because it was not expected.The rianjohnsonfication of pop culture is an absolute blight.
>>4141793I'm surprised they aren't complaining about the fact we're even still getting the game, they clearly think we're entitled to nothing and should be begging Toby to shitcan Deltarune entirely, that we don't deserve to know what the fever dream ending is, that it should forever stay a mystery to own the chuds.
>>4141405and yet toby cares about what's portrayed in em, which is why he keeps censoring gaster in merch
>>4141795the people who like to say "we don't deserve (x deltarune thing)" conveniently always exclude themselves from the "we"
>>4141797He only really cares when it's about Gaster, Frisk or Chara, otherwise he couldn't give a real damn, like when everyone chimped out that they "whitewashed" zesty nigga Blue on that one shirt with all the flowers.Even Kris is "eh, whatever" for him somehow, it's interesting.
>>4141793I could say I tried to warn you but...Ah, who am I kidding I'll say it anyway I TRIED TO WARN YOU
>>4141771>Final boss fight against the Knight>It charges itself up with all of the power of the depths>The moment the fight really kicks off, it explodes and dies>Kris does a little dance right as the credits start rollingOh, wait.
>>4141800I wonder why though. What makes those 3 so special?
>>4141805Gaster is the reason he's even gamedevving beyond RPG Maker shitposts and ROMhacks in the first place, Chara is his sweet little choclat, and Frisk is even more enigmatic yet clearly close to his heart to the point he had absolutely nothing to say about Frisk during the 10th anniversary stream because he didn't want to share anything about Frisk with anyone else.
>>4141797he certainly has some oversight to them, but i highly doubt he lets anything that any sane person could presume was a spoiler on themso no dess knight, no explicit m or femkris, no gaster, no teaser for the next chapter nothing, except maybe a tongue and cheek motif insert into a song, like megalovania in lancer
>>4141793>not gaining a voice bitLiterally the battle song
>>4141783>>4141787both fair points>>4141790okay
>>4141793No one has ever said this before.
Chapter 3 is the only serious chapter the game had after the first one. The Roaring Knight was portrayed as an actual threat instead of a coward that kept running in 4, or a joke that made every battle meaningless in 5. There are no stakes if the game is stalling and only stalling.
>>4141795>they clearly think we're entitled to nothingTo be fair, there's over $25 of game in what we got even if it's incomplete.
>>4141819at least half of ch4 is treated seriously, pretty much everything after the first sanctuary is sealed has either minimal joking around or is otherwise emotionally consistent with what's happening on screenthe only two exceptions are if jack doesn't die, and deus ex gerson
>>4141824I couldn't take ch4 seriously after that stunt in noelles house and the game actively acknowledged that it's stalling at the end of first sanctuary and the last prophecy being broke out of cowardice and the sans scene at the endIt's a joke
>>4141827Unfortunately for you, none of that means the story events "don't count", and those of us with functioning brains weren't shaken by such horrific events as the story not taking itself and all its millennium-old tropes 300% seriously.
>>4141827Did I mention making your mcguffin hunt worthless and making your dungeons meaningless is a bad ideaWho the fuck is gonna care after thatI know I didn't. I could not bring myself to care about anything going on after that, because the game just wants to be a movie instead, a movie with a story I hate, that it did not advertise either.
>>4141833The free demo was the advertising of what Deltarune is really about, sweetie. Chapter 1's stinger ending with Kris ripping out the soul and giving an evil slasher smile to the camera, and then Chapter 2's stinger ending of Kris opening a dark fountain in his own house, his mother and best friend RIGHT THERE, was supposed to tell you "no, the game isn't what you think it is, if you don't like it, get out before you get invested and then get autistically upset that the game is continuing to do these things."
>>4141837Is this the part where you act surprised that I refuse to recommend this to anyone and refuse to call this normal and I don't want to see shit like this spread pop up again in something I truly care aboutThen you tell me that the games I like were made that way by accident and that they were always intended to be lame and gay like deltarune, ain't that right?
The hate for wholesome suselle makes a lot more sense when you remember 90% of the fandom were genofags who endlessly fellate the sans fight and only want to see hometown massacre because they're all just bargain bin edgelords
Redpill me on the people who still reply to crusader of light.
>>4141852I hate it because I'm not homosexual, because I cannot promote it
>>4141853Lolcows trolling bigger lolcows, the way it's always been.
>undertale: very clearly a piece of media that subverts the norms of the genre by making it so that you can spare enemies if you wish and to get the golden ending you need to spare all of them>deltarune chapter 1: establishes itself as a continuation by branding kris as a rogue actor that is not acting entirely within the player's commands>deltarune chapter 2: continues to establish this by making kris open a dark fountain when your goal is to seal them.>chapter 3-5: continues to build this by->"WHAT. THE. FUCK. I PAID TOBY 25 DOLLARS FOR EXACTLY WHAT CHAPTER 1 AND 2 ADVERTISED? HE RAPED ME PERSONALLY! NOBODY COULD HAVE PREDICTED THIS WOULD HAPPEN!!!!! ARRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH THE GENRE IS RUINED!!!!!!!! NOW I NEED TO SHIT UP A THREAD ON AN ANONYMOUS BASKET WEAVING FORUM FOR YEARS ON END!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>4141858But I could play Undertale like it was totally normal (if I ignored 80% of the game's actual events)This is somehow different for Deltarune
>>4141858Maybe it was shocking 8 years ago. 8 years in, all it does is make me give less and less of a shit, because the game clearly doesn't give a shit. When does the BS end? It has to let up eventually, doesnt it? Throw me a fucking bone. And so long as you support it the genre will be killed, and you do support it.
>>4141850This is the part where you're told yet again that the basic premise of "protagonist isn't a faceless golem of the player's will and a dash of story convenience" and the continuation of "also everyone is gay" are unrelated, one was a technical limitation that most developers were chomping at the bit to get rid of, the other is a hyperbolic statement of Toby Fox's writing.
>>4141861if you care so little then why dont you just leave?
>>4141863I'll break your fucking face this is all your fault, you openly support itHow dare you tell me what I love was made by accident
>>4141864I listen to the music sometimes so I can dream of a better game
>>4141860The progression of Undertale is a journey established by the world itself, one you must trek through whether you like it or not because it's there, always has been there, and is the only way to reach Asgore and the barrier, thus your final challenge to escape the Underground on the neutral route. You understand well you need to reach Asgore to escape and return to the world of humanity, and nothing subverts this in a way that actually matters.The progression of Deltarune is inherently arbitrary and forced at every single corner because of the fact Kris is both the player character and antagonist. Every single Dark World is created by Kris or Knight to be a literal waste of your time for events you do not care about as it regards your mission to create a new future, because you won't know if you've created a new future or not with your actions until Gaster says you did during Chapter 7's ending, because obviously if you create a new future any sooner, then Gaster would simply disconnect you at that point, thus meaning the game is over. And because you can just start from Chapter 7 right away, without any previous save completion data, it goes to show that the entire game aside from Chapter 7 is literal timewasting filler that you aren't even necessary for outside of Shadow Crystals (which you only need to get once per save file, then when you have 'em all you can just start in Chapter 6 or 7, collect all your crystals and items from the cliffs hole, and boom, you can get the Shadow Crystal divergence for your new future).
>>4141866Nobody ever put pen to paper excited about making a bland nothingburger who could do or say whatever the player wants. Blank slate protagonists are either a technical limitation or the result of devs who don't care.
>>4141868you know you can just make (you)r deltarune yourself, right?the kristal engine is right there, and you even have all the assets.
>>4141869I was never playing Undertale to "escape the underground", but to "finish the game". In-character goals are arbitrary, the extent of the game is not. If you are satisfied getting your "new future" with as little action as possible then that is fine, but I am not.
>>4141872Escaping the underground is completing the game, especially if you rightfully kill Flowey so no one's there to tell you about the Homosexual Degeneracy Route.
>>4141870You are a malicious liar. The original dragon quest had its protagonist speak, in the 80s. It was always a choice even then, there is an purpose to letting the player play as a mostly silent heroic knight in a game, the developers have stated said purpose multiple times even thurty years later, you can't take that away and say it was an accident.
>>4141873One neutral route is not enough to satisfy me in a game with two extremes. Dismissing content because "le degeneracy" in a game you've already played is kind of mental illness, either you object to the writer's point of view or you don't.
>>4141874>but... most of these circles CANT be red! there's a blue one right there!
>>4141871nta but i wish to wait until toby fully plays his hand and see how it endsthen when the dust settles, a new, better deltarune will emerge and not fall into the pitfalls toby dug for himself
>>4141857But no one's actually getting trolled, col responds the same way regardless and all the supposed trolls do is waste their own time and ruin any other discussions going on by encouraging col to spam the thread
>>4141878This is ultimately how it has to go down.Nobody knows what Deltarune will do wrong until Deltarune has actually done it. Nobody knows which potential was "missed" potential until Toby tips his hand. Because this is more of a case of the grass being greener on the other side than of Deltarune having massive glaring pitfalls.
>>4141869My eyes glaze over when a post is this long and probably says nothing, I'm just going to assume it's ai.
>>4141877Yuji Horii had stated the purpose of the silent protagonist multiple times, and why they continued to be used even 30 years later at a time where the "technical limitations" no longer exist. I agree with him 100%. Aonuma also gave a answer as to why Link keeps quiet at a time late to blow your technical limitation excuse out of the fucking water. I also agree with him. I don't agree with you, because you keep making excuses and lies as to why I can't have my entertainment anymore and how it was an accident that I had it at all.
>>4141881It's a retard earnestly defending the view that Undertale let you beat it without making you see anything too "subversive" so Deltarune is failing by not doing that.
>>4141880the vagueposting is absolutely a pitfallyou don't have to reveal everything all at once, especially not just after the halfway point but answers are required eventually and characters need to have defined motives so people can understand what's happening and why with deltarune, we still don't know what's happening beyond 'prophecy said so' and everyone's motivation is either a vague 'can't let the prophecy happen' or completely unknownwe don't even know what the big problem with the prophecy is, all we do know is that the worlds can be saved if X happens
>>4141883It is failing tho. Don't waste my time and run damage control afterwards and blame me for hating your fucking guts
>>4141882Is the purpose of the silent protagonist ever actually something to do with the story, or is it all about your ability to ignore them and imagine it's you? Because I cannot think of a single thing a silent protagonist adds to an actual story.
>>4141885Undertale didn't let you beat it without seeing anything "subversive". Winning one neutral route isn't beating the game.
>>4141882>THIS CIRCLE IS BLUE! STOP TALKING ABOUT ALL THE RED ONES!
>>4141876And I do object. I object by not playing the Homosexual Degeneracy Route.
>>4141886So what if it is? I like it, don't take it away.>>4141890You killed my circle you disingenuous fault.
>>4141892nobody killed the blue circle! the circle is still there, it is still blue, nobody is forcing you to not engage with it.you're just seething because for once in your miserable life you noticed that the red circle exists, and that there are people who enjoy that circle more than yours.
>>4141884I can understand what's happening and why fairly clearly right now.Kris thinks he knows enough to game the prophecy and isn't re-evaluating that idea come hell or high water, because if he can't game the prophecy how he expects to then he can't fulfill his Promise.Ralsei knows the mechanics and the prophecy and thinks there's at least one point where the player's choices will very much matter, and is trying anything to get them to take the merciful option when this time arrives. The prophecy also says he's going to do at least one awful thing that he's trying to sneak out of doing.The Knight is corrupted by darkness to some extent that clouds its ability to think and act fully rationally. It acts sort of like a force of nature because it is sort of a force of nature, or more than just a lightner at least. Its main goal is to fulfill the prophecy, but its behavior can be directed thanks to the connection between Kris and whoever it is that got so badly corrupted, and thanks to wiggle room in the prophecy itself.Susie is kind of a dumbass. We've seen basically everything Susie knows on screen aside from the final prophecy itself. What she thinks takes a tiny bit more reading into but I can say with confidence that she likes and is clinging to dark worlds. Maybe on some level she's picked up that the story is leading toward them being gone forever and is overcompensating, maybe this is the first time in her life she's been so happy, either way the effect is the same: she's almost certainly going to try and prolong her access to the dark worlds when the prophecy demands light never visit dark again.Noelle has explained herself pretty thoroughly in the weird route and in turn characterized her normal route self as mostly going through the motions while dissociated.
>>4141883Figures, thanks for the quick reandown.
>>4141884We got a big reveal for Noelle's motivation so why don't you sit the fuck down.
>>4141893But you would celebrate the circle's violent murder and call it a technical limitation or an accident, the way you have all night. That does make me seethe, it's disgusting.
>>4141893and then they scribble over the blue circles with new red circles, like that embarrassment of a remake for final fantasy 7, because robert's games became so successful with spiteful malicious people that it's influencing the games i lovei don't want aerith and sepiroth to know they're in final fantasy 7 and subvert their own deaths. that's not what the game is about. you're tainting it and disrespecting the original, just like that bastard robert.
>>4141897ok cool1/4 main characters, which was revealed in the 'secret' routesaid route in of itself is also very confusing as somehow we have even less of an idea of what's going on than in the main route and even then, we only know noelle's motivation in that route specifically, what does she want in the normal route where she hasn't cast snowgrave and tasted power?
Say something nice about Toby "Radiation" Fox.
>>4141898>>4141900well im not sure which one of you is the actual thread pest so i'll just say >play the games you like instead of the games you dont likeit is that easy.
>>4141904hard to do that when everyone wants to say the games i like are bad and insist on replacing them with their "better" versions that hate the player for wanting to have fun
>>4141905people only want that as a result of you being an annoying pest.if you werent an annoying pest, nobody here would care.
>>4141902He earns a lot of seethe from a lot of very retarded people
>>4141901>ok coolStopped reading there. You said I was cool, so clearly you agree with my opinion and there's no reason to read the rest.
>>4141906you say that but final fantasy 7 was still soiled. i'm still going to cut off robert's hands if he DARES touch dragon quest. keep him away, he's nothing but trouble
>>4141904>find no new fantasy adventure games with a stoic young knight to play as because Toby Fox managed to convince millions of people like you that it was a technical limitationSuddenly that becomes a lot more difficult
>>4141902He raped CoL.
>>4141909bad writers sent by corporate to milk the title for every cent ruined the FF7 remake, not tobyand if it happens with dragon quest, it will also be the result of corporate trying to milk the title for all its worth.your hate is targeted at the wrong person.>>4141910you will not be able to play all the RPGs that you like and currently in your lifetime. its a complete nonissue.
>>4141902He's got the kind of talent and drive I wish I had, and is close to achieving the last big goal he has in life.
>>4141912bad writers no doubt inspired by what robert did because of how "critically acclaimed" undertale was and how popular it and deltarune were in japan
You wanna hear something funny?I don't care about Final Fantasy 7 nearly as much as you might think. I don't like 7s steam punk aesthetic or the materia system or the anime edgelords that it "blessed" the market with. My favorite is either 1 or 9.But I still know how important aerith's death was, and that you don't touch it because of how important of a moment it is. The main villain of the game callously murdering the one chance of stopping the apocalypse, only for it to end up directly leading to the world's salvation.If I was a real fan of final fantasy 7, you'd have no idea what I'd be like.If that was, I dunno, Ocarina of Time, or Dragon Quest 5, being dragged through the mud like that...
>>4141914the bad writers are failing to copy what undertale and deltarune do because they dont understand that the framing of the game does most of the heavy lifting in making the games work.be mad at the people that ruin perfectly good games by trying to copy a framing-dependent narrative point, not the person who made it work.
>>4141918they never would have tried it if robert wasn't such a success for his "very tired of JRPGs" spite work. they would have just let aerith die and let the remake do what it's supposed to do.
>there's two of them
>>4141920again, the difference is that toby made it work while the bad writers didnt. part of this is because he actually likes RPGs and knows what he can shift around while keeping the game fun.the bad writers behind the FF7 remake do not like RPGs, they are corporate diversity hires that are only there to make money.if toby didnt exist, they would've just fucked up the plot some other way because they're bad writers.
>>4141924But he didn't make it work. Deltarune chapter 4 and 5 sucked balls for wasting time and acknowledging that they were wasting time without doing anything to fix the problem. He took the time out of his day to call me entitled for liking the things I like about my favorite games and raped enough people into thinking they were accidents.
>>4141927>it didnt work because... because we dont have the full picture yet!suppose someone is writing down a complex math equation and they have to stop for a bit halfway throughyou know that they had to stop, do you look at the half finished equation and say>pfft, this doesnt work. this'll never work!despite knowing that the critical piece of the equation will be written down later?or do you accept that the equation is unfinished and wait for him to write down the whole thing before you judge if works or not?
>>4141929Doesn't matter to the schizos, they're mad they chose to wait knowing they'd be waiting for at least a decade, and have done literally nothing else in the meantime, allowing the hyper-analysis of theoryfagging and the slog of obsessing over an unfinished product to twist and warp their perceptions.Deltarune is literally a weekend-length RPG, you pick it up on Friday and then set it down Sunday, maybe spend another weekend on replay to get the Shadow Crystals and Eggs if you weren't already picking 'em up in the first place, then the rest of your spare weekend goes towards Weird Route. Every single problem is just fandom psychosis and the inability to accept that maybe the game is being experienced in a nonpreferable state of incompleteness, and are instead conceiving this notion that Toby is acting on pure malice and spite when, no, this is just how he tells his stories, he backloads everything into the endgame after using the earlygame to set up the premise. Did it with Halloween Hack, did it with peepee.exe, did it with Undertale.
>>4141929I don't expect said person to openly state that half of the equation is there to waste my time and then do nothing for years to acknowledge the problem.How long will you defend that? What if chapter 6 does it again?
>>4141932where did toby say that half of deltarune exists to waste your time?
>>4141933The eventual ability to start Chapter 7 without requiring completion data from a previous chapter.
>>4141935that is for if you lost your save data and dont want to replay the entire game.
>>4141937And it also tells me I didn't need to be there for Chapters 1-6 if Kris can just do everything all by himself, and that all of "my" moments weren't actually my own because I didn't need to be there for them.
>>4141933Chapter 4. Right after the knight leaves the first dark sanctuary. Susie says how they're supposed to do anything if the knight keeps running, ralsei runs damage control that if they just seal the fountain it'll make the knight go away but offer nothing to actually solve the problem The characters are his mouthpieces, specifically Susie and RalseiI don't like that shit, I do not want this in another game, and I don't want you following me and screeching that a straightforward quest where you actually accomplish things is a technical limitation. That's the future so long as you actively support that shit.
>>4141938>this convenience feature that exists purely because toby took three years to make chapter 2 and three more to make 3+4?>its canon!you're retarded.>>4141939>the literal children not knowing how to properly fight against a world ending threat?>THAT MEANS THE GAME IS A PERSONAL ATTACK ON ME!!!you're retarded.>I don't want you following menobody here will follow you if you leave the thread. we just want you gone.>straightforward questgood news, anon. B side is where you take control for yourself because you didnt like A side. again, the half finished equation.
>>4141944Side b led to nothing and actively gave up on producing anythingThere is no adventure there because nothing in the game matters anymore
>>4141945>s-side B led to [PROCEED] a-and [PROCEED] ga-gave u [PROCEED]sorry anon what did you say? noelle's forcing me to proceed into an alternate version of chapter 7 so i cant hear you.
>>4141944>its canon!Yeah, it is. The game even meta-acknowledges that save points aren't supposed to be there in the Light World, yet they are. These convenience concessions are diegetic to the world, same as the menu being acknowledged by the characters in Chapter 5, especially when you acknowledge that meta elements, including datamining, are a key part of dissecting Deltarune as a game.
>>4141946Let's talk about things that no longer matter on side bCastle town, the light world town, sealing Fountains, the Roaring Knight, the shelter codes, undyne being stuck in the shelter, your family, your recruits, your party members, the shadow crystalsThe side b doesn't even show Carol, she doesn't matter eitherThere is nothing here because the writers just gave up
>>4141948your inability to understand when the game's joking around or providing a feature purely for convenience isnt the thread's problem.>>4141949how do you know that none of that matters on side B? did toby tell (you) personally how 7B would end?and how do you know that any of that is because toby "gave up" on writing it?
>>4141950>i-it was a joke!!Is the blue Rudinn acknowledging that your Castle Town is strange because you started a later chapter without prior completion data a joke, too?>"Your Town's love is Plain. This is a familiar place, yet you look like you only just got here. From here, let your love grow. All right."
>>4141950Because I think the writers are lazy when they'renot actively malicious. The fact that you can't get the last shadow crystal speaks volumes, that they can't be dammed to do anything anymore.I can guess because if dealing with the knight mattered I wouldn't be going to drown myself in some lake, that if getting the shelter codes mattered I wouldn't be going in the exact opposite direction. They just don't care.
>It's another "CoL seethes at Toby Fox for pointing out that he isn't literally the player character" episode
>>4141952Its anything but straightforward
>>4141916>You wanna hear something funny?>IOH MY GOD THAT'S HILARIOUS AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>4141951the game is allowed to add a convenience feature and make a one off comment about it without it being SUPER DUPER EXTREMELY RELEVANT to the plot.its not the thread's problem that you cant understand this.>>4141952and you just dont understand anything.
>>4141921If you keep replying to col, you're going to get more col. This thread fucking deserves him.
>>4141953Fix the damage done to the genre that you rooted for. When "intellectuals" like you call my favorite things a technical limitation, I'm inclined to believe that the market represents that because of you.
>>4141943If I saw Kris alone and depressed and neglected I would beat the shit out of him then plant drugs on him and call the cops
>>4141956Then the game needs to define what's just irrelevant convenience and what's actually plot-relevant and diegetic. You don't acknowledge "oh wow that's weird, you've been here awhile but you're also new here! teehee!" and then acknowledge "Susie... have you ever noticed, in the corner of your eyes, these... symbols?" and expect me to figure out which I'm supposed to take as serious worldbuilding and which I'm supposed to ignore.
>>4141958>Fix the damage done to the genre that you rooted forso why arent you making your own game then?
>>4141956What is there to understand besides that they gave up? Don't you say it's a straightforward quest when there was nothing straightforward about it and how it demands that you ignore everything.>>4141961I didn't call the idea of a silent young knight who is genuinely virtuous for you to play as a technical limitation.
I think being able to start a chapter anywhere without it changing things much is part of the whole "Your choices don't matter" theme.
>>4141958>Its MY GENRE.You sure are entitled for someone who has no value or leverage on anything
>>4141963Yup, it's just setting up the obligatory "your choices don't matter... until you set off these specific flags, THEN the narrative will kowtow and acknowledge your choices DO matter!!! and everyone's gonna CLAP!!!!! YOU'LL MAKE DADDY GASTER'S NEW FUTURE!!!!!!! WOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" that requires the Shadow Crystals and maybe some additional event that can only be experienced after getting the normal (bad) ending, and then Gaster nudges you i nthe right direction because he realizes the future is too set in stone if you play by the rules, but it's only when the writer of the rules intervenes that they can be "broken" while remaining "within" the rules.
>>4141964Is it your genre?
>>4141965Which, in turn, after the scripted unlosable final fight and the epilogue, becomes this whole meta commentary on how this isn't really a "new" future because it was already programmed into the game, and he just says "fuck it, imagine what happens next!" and that's how you create a new future.
>>4141966No, it's not anyones genre that they can "own" so im not sure why you think you have any authority on what the genre has to be, or why anyone should care about anything you have to say.
>>4141962>Don't you say it's a straightforward questi mean, it seems straight forward to me.>kris does all he can to stall for 4 chapters>but he stalled too hard and susie is getting suspicious>now throughout CH6 you and susie drag kris along to collect the church code while telling noelle to go grab the one in dess's guitar.>things go to shit the literal second the four of you enter the shelter because you werent supposed to enter it during CH6>CH7 is trying (and failing) to fix things until everything crumbles>now have to explore for ways to fuck over what susie does in CH6maybe your IQ is just... too low, for deltarune.
>>4141968Because people like you have had authority for years.
>>4141969I was talking about the side b
>>4141969Extremely bold assumptions to make about everything.Susie's still in denial, there's a whole chapter of denial left to go, then the cliffhanger will be her having no choice but to accept the truth that Kris is a FUCKING TRAITOR, thus allowing Toby to only move the plot towards the main conflict of Kris's motivations as both hero and villain, finally allowing us to know what he's trying to accomplish, why he's doing this and whether or not Knight is truly an evil being manipulating Kris, a corrupted Dess that Kris is trying to help, an asshole Lightner that coerced Kris into this, or some other category we don't yet have the means to narrow down, just like how we couldn't narrow down Flowey's deal until True Lab + New Home Genocide Monologue.
>>4141973thus allowing Toby to only move the plot towards the main conflict of Kris's motivations as both hero and villain during Chapter 7*, I meant
>>4141959Stop misgendering her
>>4141972side B is part of the "now have to explore for ways to fuck over what susie does in CH6"with the nuclear option (drowning yourself in a digital lake) being the only one that works right.
>>4141977By going into the exact opposite direction and completely ignore everything?
Can I be a conspiracy freak a little and think CoL was sent here by the jannies?
>>4141979It's entirely possible, mods and jannies love most schizo lolcows who don't have melties posting pornography or fucked up shit, because they can shit up site traffic and ensure the most traffic is only coming from them or shill posts, and many a topic across the site are wastelands because everyone got tired of humoring the schizo lolcows and their entourage of enablers, who are ALSO schizo lolcows.
>>4141978you're not ignoring everything, you're taking the vital pieces away from the playing area so that susie cant make things worse.>kris is vital for the conspiracy gang and susie's adventures. without him, dark worlds cant be sealed. so nobody would dare to make a fountain since the roaring isnt the goal.>noelle is vital for opening the bunker since susie's forbidden from the holiday house (and too stupid to break and enter without outing herself) and kris will refuse to get it himself.by taking kris and noelle out of hometown, neither group can continue their plans. you've stopped the knight (since its presumably part of the conspiracy gang), stopped any more dark fountains from being made, and saved the world.
>>4141979given that we know for a fact that jannies, mods, and their discord kittens monitor the threads to see if we have one up on /v/, not it's not much of a conspiracy at alljokes on them though, we had one earlier archive successfully and there's one up right now
>>4141982So just taking yourself and drowning yourself in a lake, because the fact that you exist is enough for you to dieSounds like shit, hardly the adventure I was looking forward to, you save the world by doing nothing, because the only value you can add is to do nothing
>>4141985spec ops: the line already did this, tell the player they're bad for wanting to play a videogame and that the only winning move is to not play at all, except they had to lie about the message until you already bought it and played it because they still wanted to turn a profit. greedy cunts, just like robert selling merch for a demo not even two weeks after that demo came out
>>4141985>>4141988kris is not (you).without (you), the normal route happens.(you)r presence is quite literally the only thing that makes it possible to actually save the world, because you can force kris to do certain things that he'd never do on his own.like going out of your way to collect the shadow crystals or poking noelle until she wakes up and wants to drag kris into a lake with her
>>4141990The shadow crystals don't matter dawg
>>4141990No he's right: Kris is me and Toby is cucking ME personally.
>>4141991>uh yeah bro the evil ass murder sword made from 5 broken dreams being merged into one crystal and the evil ass rape ring wont mean anything.
>>4141990And how do you know the Shadow Crystals will actually matter? They could just be another one of Tricky Tony's buildups that doesn't actually amount to anything, just like how Papyrus was supposed to be a weekend's worth of a gag, but is now a full decade of cruelty to the player, simply because he only intended to reveal the deal with Sans's brother in Chapter 7.
>>4141996>>4141994
>>4141994Not even confirmed the Shadow Crystals will be made into the Pure Crystal, that's being presumptuous. Just because the description says purified shadows and "the cat" doesn't mean it's referring to Shadow Crystals and Seam, just like how the Flower Man prophecy was never talking about Asgore, but instead Flowery, even though Ice Wolf prior had referred to Asgore as Flower Man.
>>4141988I hate spec ops the lineI don't want people telling me that playing as a heroic young knight who fights evil is a technical limitationI don't exactly want those people making my games and calling me the devil for calling out that you can't find a game like that anymore on the market
>>4141983You lied to me...
>>4141998>It could potentially be (thing that makes literally no sense and has no evidence for being the case)
The Weird Route doesn't save the world are you retarted.At best it's like Geno where YOU are the one destroying it instead of the Roaring.
>>4142003Yeah man, I loved fighting Asgore as the Chapter 5 boss, it was such a crazy struggle between father and son. I'm so glad the prophecy told me to expect that, it was hype as fuck.
Kris wife!
>>4142004But it does! The Prophecy can't proceed now, which means we won!
>>4142004Normal Route is misery porn, Weird Route is somehow slightly better, but ultimately both are bad. You need to do the Golden Route, which requires Shadow Crystals, Eggs, AND two items that are only collectible after you complete Normal Route and Weird Route respectively, thus fulfilling the repeated significance of going "in-between."
>>4141999>MY GAMES THAT DESERVE TO BE WRITTEN FOR ONLY ME SPECIFICALLYThis is very entitled for someone whos main criticism of Deltarune is that you can't mindlessly consume it.
>>4142005>subversion that serves a purpose in the narrative vs. random bullshit for no reason
>>4142011Yeah man, I loved learning that the fallen human I named wasn't actually the kid I was playing as, but instead some other kid I named for ????? who has nothing to do with the kid I'm playing as aside from, uh... they allegedly both have red souls I guess??????? This definitely has great significance as it relates to the apparent connection Frisk and Chara have beyond Asriel being blind as fuck, and it ISN'T just to hamfist a retarded random bullshit "gotcha" twist that subverts player expectations.
>>4142012Yeah, that was kino.
>>4142010Better than forcing my own tastes to change to appease people who want my entertainment destroyed because they believe it a technical limitation to let the player be a hero going on adventures to fight evil in a video game.
>>4142008In-between is the Forgotten Man, who's rooms are literally in-between.
>>4142014>Toby Fox BROKE INTO CoL's home, DESTROYED all his copies of Dragon Quest, KIDNAPPED HIM and locked him in his BASEMENT so that he could force him to play subversive RPGs with METANARRATIVE ELEMENTS, and WATERBOARDED HIM for not clapping whenever a NOVEL SUBVERSION OF CLASSIC JRPG TROPES happened... and then he RAPED HIM...
>>4142017He hussied him
>>4142017HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!!!!
>>4142019>all of this is hussie's faultDamn... even those who never got into Homestuck were raped by WAITs and mid-story rewrites, retcons and ghost writers...
>>4142017>>4142019>>4142020>>4142021Stop bullying CoL. We actually like him.
>>4142022We? Who's we? You mean Nintendo Wii?
>>4142022the only thing to "like" about that pest is the fact that he'll one day he'll die due to rage.
>>4141902Regardless of the costant rape he give us and the mikes are 100% him throwing jabs at the fandom, i appreciate how he doesn't back down his vision and reinforces it with patches lmao, even the rape rose was just misunderstood since Kris has the title
>>4142028The rape rose was just a lack of context to be fair, it was clearly meant to be a visual motif that you would find in ch5 first, maybe more in future chapters, and then finally side b 4Wouldn't surprise me to see the edited version used for Carol or the Knight.
>>4142028chapter 6 better have ralsei doing this on my balls or toby fox something rape and ruin other rpg games something
I look like this.
>>4142046This but unironically
>>4141764Next, he'll remove chapter 7b, as a cutting message to entitled fans who expect the game to be fun or have content, thanks Tony
>>4141690It's just an absurdist gag, not everything is deep lore.
>>4141744>guest writers cope
>>4141770
>>4142060>Toby lost 20 IQ and became a shit writer over the course of a year doomposting
>>4142062Man even in official art Kris looks fucking miserable
>>4142062>susie is a chestletNOOOOOOOOO
>>4142060i don't think they're guest writers, i think he just doesn't straight out write for it anymore and gave his team a list of bullet points for the plot and let them fill the rest in.
>>4141805Gaster is his self-insert and Frisk/Chara are his loli wives that he doesn't want to share with anyone.
>>4141943leg so hothot hot legleg so hot u fry an eg
>>4142065I mean we know that already, if you thought she had any meaningful breasts you weren't paying attentionGirl is FLAT
>>4141852What? It's HMOFAfags that hate Suselle.
>>4142062>not making the CD hole in Kris chestCOME THE FUCK ON, just move the artwork a little and it would fit perfectly, but having it in Kris dickpussy is funny i guess
>>4141871Just like every faggot in this website CoLrune is vaporwave.
>>4142065So is Noelle in that pic, soooo
>>4142062Did they need to accurately depict Kuckris like that?>>4142063It's happened to creators before. Look at how bad things got in Buu or Super.
>>4141894NTA but most of this is headcanon and very few of what you said is fully confirmed and not assumptions.
>>4141902He makes cute lolis.
>>4141894Bro dropped his headcanon in the evidence folder like he thought we wouldn't notice
>>4141953Self-inserters are the most mentally ill people in this fandom.
>>4141969>it seems straight forward>immediate headcanon follows it
>>4141979Nah, I don't think he has anything to do with the jannies, but I do wonder why he only posts here. I thought he left 4chan after /utg/ exposed him for stalking vtubers.
>>4142062>even in the artwork kris is literally just the unhappy "dog" of the relationship thats there purely for cohesionimagine if the end result of suselle is kris leaving the group for a little bit and having the relationship completely crumble since it ultimately hinges on the fact that they both like kris.
>>4141994>twisted route cope
>>4142006Kris is Monika, who are the rest? Both allowing only humans and then allowing monsters.
>>4142012Frisk and Chara are connected to each other, with Chara's essence being attached to Frisk since she fell into her grave. That's why Pink is the flower that's supposed to be the red flower has a date/love obsessed body possessed by a knife obsessed ghost. Proto Mew Mew even had a red soul within her, too.
>>4142063No, Chapter 5 was good. You just never actually liked Toby's games.
>>4142062>>4142084Like it or not, the fanart where Kris is just effectively the pet dog in the Suselle couple is the most accurate of them all.
Why is it that doomposters are comfortable in their stance, but hopefags can't stand to see someone not like chapter 5?
>>4142091Having hope is harder than having no hope, one can always have no hope, hoping is harder, it requires ignoring reality and having blind faith.
>>4142062Very strange how there's so much stuff that focuses on a ship that is a complete farce and is going to break in later chapters. I wonder what Toby means by this, why would he do this?
>>4142096he understands his fandom.if he plays it up it'll make the greater fandom love it more, which'll hit them harder when it breaks.
>>4142096That the ship isn't a farce and that's just copium from raped fags.
>>4142096needed context for 7b true real route
>>4142088>You just never actually liked Toby's games.>You never liked undertale>You're a hater!!!Why do Manchildren say this?
>>4141902Not many across billions of people can replicate his good qualities
>>4142108Manchildren are the ones who believe in the guest writers cope.
>white, not that short and ''wide''accidental chud victory, i can smell the coming shitpost
>>4142112How did toby forgor to not make Ralsei say about the bird in Jevil fight if you didn't encounter him, that silly ghost writer forgor
>>4142096it's the big shot michaelset
>>4142113It's fangamer art though.
>>4142120Of course, but even when Toby says it's not really canon even if official both sides will use it has shitposting ammo
>>4142121True
>>4142113>that>wideeven in quotations thats just straight up not true.that kris is a string bean and wind blowing into that window is an active risk to his ability to stay on the ground. poor boy NEEDS more food.
>>4142115Toby can make mistakes. Manchildren think he's perfect.
>>4142062>nonbinary fags RAPED>femKris fags RAPED>maleKris goats WONAhahahahaha
>>4142124Not that art in particular but the piano one, which i still find funny, i dunno how people see that as wide lmao, even fat now that you mention food, when it's obvious the big ass baggy sweater
>>4142126Anon, nonbinaries are just people born male/female. Nobody is actually born without a sex.
>>4142062ARGHHHHHHHH FUUUUCK YOU TOBY! I HATE YOU! I HATE SUSELLESLOP!
>>4142062Suselle sucks
>>4142142You're absolutely right. It's shallow, poorly written, and doesn't make any sense. Toby just really wanted to add his lesbian NTR fetish to the game, and he doesn't give a shit that it's poorly written.
>>4142113>>4142126Why are chuds so obsessed with Kris being a dude but also a cuck?
>>4142155>anon doesn't know about the chud's kralsei gaycest agenda
>>4142155because toby put little effort in balancing the fem side
>>4142155I dunno why do you cheer on the idea of Kris being a cuck?
so ogly
This image could kill a twitter user
>>4142165but this image is from twitter, we both saw it on there first
>>4142062That's some strong rape right here, makes me excited for the newsletter.
>>4142155Because self-inserting shipfags by nature have a victim complex
>Another Deltarune thread purged on /v/C'est la vie.
>>4142195it wasn't only DR, a few non DR threads I was checking were also purged
>>4142165This sucks only because it's off-model.
why were you talking about video games on /v/you’re supposed to be talking about purchasing claude subscriptions
>>4142196>a few non DR threads I was checking were also purgedWhich ones?
AYE AYE GOONERS!NEWSLETTER AHOY!WE'LL ARRIVE BY ALL HALLOW'S EVE!ME DELTARUNE, I CAN ALMOST TOUCH HER...>4 days later ARGH, IT WAS ANOTHER FOX SHAPED MIRAGE...
>>4142204mina, pseudoregalia, a thread about turning off your pcs at night or not
>>4142150how is Toby able to write a heart warming relationship as side content noelle and Kris or Susie and Kris but when it comes to the main couple he fumbles? i want to believe he's going for something her but I just can't see it
>>4142215Because he's a faggot and suselle was written to groom children
WHERE'S THE NEWSLETTER, TOBERTO.
>>4142241Sorry, Toby is too busy jerking off to NTR
>>4142241Just wait a few days for nothing.
>>4141341Artist name though?
>>4142189I like loli Kris ryona.
>>4142249https://x.com/johnnydapooppar
>>4142076The Buu saga has great writing and was very Toriyama. For Super he just wrote an outline and let the anime writers fill it in, just like Toby did for chapter 5.
>>4142260>just like Toby [headcanon]
>>4142120Merch art officially overseen and approved by Toby.Remember, he actually gave them the Chapter 4 Titan design to put on the Great Door all the way back in FUCKING 2019 for the Chapter 1 Vinyl.
>>4142165This is basically 80% canon at this point.
>>4142265There's something viscerally disgusting about MaleKris with facial hair.
Toby masterfully writing the prophecy so that ralsei never gets any on screen interactions with Noelle:
>>4142271Well yeah, because she could end up telling us something about Asriel, and he's massive spoilers because he's Dess's boyfriend and might have been there during THAT DAY, so he isn't allowed to show up until the ass end of Chapter 7.
>>4142076>Look at how bad things got in Buu or SuperNot really a good comparison. Toriyama wanted DBZ to end at the Cell saga. He was kinda forced into it.
a newsletter flew over my house!
>>4142263Where's the titan?
>>4142278Directly above the door in the center of the arch. You should be able to make out the Save Point face.
>>4142278Very top of the door, the design is quite literally the Titan's head. Horns, star mask, wings and all.
>>4142279>>4142280all this tells me is that the rewrite happened after 2019, which is what was already speculated
>>4142277
>>4142282Oops, didn't mean to do that.
>>4142279>>4142280It kinda just looks like a regular SAVE point, but I guess it's kinda like him if you squint.
>>4142263Any anon in this thread who owns the vinyl so they can give us a clearer picture of that Titan on the top?
>>4142282>fake knifeDude, just go to the fucking kitchen and grab a knife
>the jingleblade is the most valuable item kris has going by sell pricelol
Is it just me or Toby Fox is being too unsubtleI mean what about the Kris covering his ears with a pillow scene
>>4142304Noelle is rich so everything from her is valuable.
>>4142323He's very much playing up the "oh woe is me" of Kris's life with the most blatant allusion to "my mom is the town bike who fucks anyone who wants to get into her panties" as possible, and can ONLY be plausibly denied with the fact Toriel and Sans were just drunk and punning all night, because Toriel suggested Kris should've come down and joined them.
>>4142334Easy explanation, Toriel is such a whore she wanted to get Kris in on a threesome
>>4142335If this were an ero game for true degenerates sure, but Toby is a lot more careful with his incest fetish.
>>4142334toriel is such a slut she wants her adopted daughter to rail her toothis wouldn't be happening if asgore had custody
>>4142334That's what they get for hitting me with a hockey stick and stuffing me in a trashcan
>>4142335>>4142336Toby should make a corruption H-RPG where we play as Toriel.
>>4142342>corruptionhow would that work? toriel corrupts all the upstanding citizens into sexed crazed nymphos like herself?i could see it
>>4142338hot... imagine Kris taking out all her frustration on her that night and Toriel having no idea when she wakes up in the morning and Kris makes her some toast as usual.
>>4142323>>4142334It just wasn't sex, stop being dirty minded.
>>4142339you forget...youre supposed to celebrate and be happy when that happensor at least thats what this thread told methey told me it was a technical limitation to treat the player with dignity in previous games
>>4142342He will do it after nude alert featuring a nude Frisk and Chara through the underground.
>>4142352so nut dealer is the toriel h-game?
>>4142338I'm genuinely starting to wonder if Asgore might've been a better dad if they lived in the same place. I still think Toriel is broadly the trash in the trash vs garbage comparison that is Toriel vs Asgore because she can actually cook, kept the house and wouldn't force Kris to be a flower-carrying pawn in her plan to get Gorey back for real this time, but maybe Asgore could've caught Kris' world-ending/saving schemes sooner because of his obsession and help them through their mutual guilt together instead of letting them fall into a suicidal/homicidal plan. Either that or he retraumatizes them further as soon as he hears them talking to some spooky voice on the phone, trying to squeeze any more info out for his conspiracy, and Kris is even worse off.
>>4142348I said it was an ALLUSION. It's not LITERALLY sex, but you're supposed to think that's what the situation is comparable to. I don't think Kris would be looking down in pure embarrassment and shame if Toriel had a reputation for being a drunkard who likes cracking jokes with new guys all night long, especially with how UTDR implies her party girl behavior when she's offscreen.
If Asgore had custody of Kris there would be a lot of emotional incest between the two.
>>4142357Ultimately, since Kris is the Oersted of Deltarune, anyone he could've wound up with would've made his life suffering, because that suffering is what defines his descent into villainy, as without it, he wouldn't be the Oersted, and the game's conflict basically wouldn't exist if Kris never got roped into that promise.
Reminder that the game spends all of tis runtime humiliating Asgore for being delusional about the killer on the loose that is actually on the loose and everyone should have listened to him
>>4142364Yeah, because otherwise the idiot plot doesn't work if everyone just believed Asgore and that the circumstances behind THAT DAY were supernatural in nature.
>>4142364That's not what the game is saying, he could have both chased the weird supernatural shit happening and NOT neglected his family until it blew up in his face.
Imagine believing the game hates Asgore when it gave him his greatest supporters ever with the flowers.
>>4142375The flowers are freaks and liars wo dont know how to do anything of value
>>4142357i think asgore may have gotten his shit together if he had to take care of the kidshe seems aware of how tough it is for toriel, so he isn't completely cluelessi think his current conditions at the flower shop are mostly due to him being on his own, if he had kris and asriel to take care of i think he would've actually charged people properly because he knows the kids can't live off of nothing
>>4142375It built him up with hype moments and aura just to do nothing with him except vaguepost about an incident we already knew about.
>>4142356Yes, you deal with nuts.
>>4142367i hate your idiot plot, you are not a visionary, you wasted my time and celebrated that fact
>>4142357You just need to play Chapter 5 to realize Kris would've been much worse with Asgore, just look at how he treated Aqua.
>>4142393Aqua is older than Asriel and a plant that would be dead if it wasnt for him
>>4142393To be fair Aqua was distracting him right when he was in the middle of being caught up in the same dark realm of that day, if I were in his shoes I'd naturally use this as the ideal chance to finally investigate further even if I'm not as obsessed as him, and the fake plant person thing that looks, acts and sounds like an exaggerated version of my child before the incident would just distract and unnerve me
>>4142364Asgore is a literal schizo with no clue on what's happening.
>>4142400The same can be said of literally everyone who isn't Gaster, ERAM, Kris or Knight.
>>4142400Fuck your idiot plot, it is horrible.
Reminder that the aborted WR jiggle did not play if you refuse to proceed at the lake, unlike if you do it in chapter 2 and 4.So don't forget to unlock the third mini route of you fucking with everyone and by refusing to do anything they ask you.
Who's next on his list to the meat factory?
>>4142416There will be zero significant alterations. Not until the very end of Chapter 7, because if something happened in Chapter 6, you would have succeeded in your goal of creating a new future, thus meaning Gaster cuts your connection with the game as the experiment is over and your presence is no longer required.
>>4142416Aborted 5 is going to be its own thing I feel, my bet is it'll be a VN bad end style thing. Or you'll need to do it in order to progress side b with time and space bullshit
>>4142421I don't know, but if the food is actually made from Onion, does that mean Deltarune monsters don't turn to dust when they die? Or is he keeping Onion barely alive so he can hack off pieces of his meat?
>>4142421Monster kid and his anti-human boyfriend, they didn't even appear in the festival
>>4142422it could create a "doomed chapter 6" where it ends early. or prevents you to go forward because even the big G did not expect thisRealistically, Noelle is too fucked up by what happened to be the same character as she is if you did the normal route or aborted in chapter 2/4
>>4142344>how would that work?Toriel's moral decline following her divorce from Asgore. Her transformation from a loving mother into a streetwalker.
>>4142375Anything positive that ch5 did for Asgore was hindered thanks to THAT DAYPink gained respect with the lore patch
>>4142429She'll just put on the mask again and keep being a Noelle who does Noelle things, just like how she manages to mask and play out the Suselle lake scene immediately after almost dying without Susie suspecting a thing until WAY later after the fact, and even then her main focus was on the fact Kris and Noelle were soaked.
>>4142430but she was already a party hound long before asriel was born
>>4142434it's very quick, but you can actually notice she doesn't actually act the same in the Susie scene. her sprite isn't looking the same and don't seem as close.I just don't think she will be able to keep the mask if she realize the player not only wasn't actually lying to her, but also purposely fucked with her by acting like she has gone insane
>>4142437She doesn't even know the player exists, she just assumes the weird voice who says "me" is some crazy persona Kris adopted after he "changed".
Aborted WR Chapter 5 will probably have some minor alterations to Chapter 6 but not a whole different Route or early ending.
>>4142439she knows there's some kind of other power that kris hasshe doesn't know it's (you), but she also knows it isn't just krisshe believes that kris used it to change, and that kris can help her change as well
>>4142440It'll just be more minor lore, character study and lowkey "wow, you did this? props, I guess", just like the eggs and Twisted Sword.
>>4142440Toby has been mega autistic with the WR soundeffects of you continuing/quitting the weird route, it means something
Fuck that when are we getting the "drunk abusive dad" bossfight?https://youtu.be/FZSZUFJ9xNQ?si=qHnaiQUVK8-y9bBm
"Asgore would never hurt his son theres no reason to have this climactic moment to end the chapter" when they blab about fighting Carol in the next sentence
"toriel still hates me and I only killed 1 child this time!"
>>4142446Asgore is a delusional retard, but he still deeply loves and cares about his family.Carol is a delusional retard who's actively malicious to her loved ones, considering the only reason Rudy got FUCKED is because she didn't give a shit to make sure someone was watching over his ass, or better yet, just held off on shelter investigations until AFTER he got back in the damn bed.
>>4142448i dont see a difference, the demented twits in this fanbase and this thread actively advocate for the game doing less and less
>>4142444herehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3N5ySbXBdo
>>4142396>>4142399Aqua and the flowers are still Asgore’s family that loved him without question and he still didn't care about them because looking at the Dark Fountain was more important despite making no progress. He probably wouldn't be an actual good father for his "real" kids.
>>4142450>I thought of this thing that could maybe be a boss fight and the game is literally attacking me by not making my imagination come true
>>4142342>>4142430Some guy is already making a porn game about Toriel. But it's not corruption, it's a romance. https://f95zone.to/threads/toriels-embrace-v0-2-ohdeer.298737/
>>4142416>twisted route cope
>>4142453Yeah, because by that point Asgore was lost in the obsession sauce for at least 5 years straight, used to living by himself with his flowers who serve as surrogate ears because he's so used to no one in Hometown believing his delusions except MAYBE Carol (and even then she's not much of an ally) that the moment someone wants to do something OTHER than support him, he either ignores them or has a meltie on them.
>>4142454yeah, its a fantasy entertainment, thats its job, to make my imagination come truedo more, please, do something with all the millions that clueless idiots gave you
>>4142463Chapters 1-5 were all somethingChapter 6 will be somethingChapters 7 and 7B will be somethingYour imagination is not the only Deltarune that can possibly be "something"
>>4142465writers gave up on the weird route, adding less and less and less as it went on
>>4142446Carol is a new character and I don't think we will fight her either, but it's easier to argue for a fight against her than just Asgore again.
>>4142468People just don't want to accept the fact that she's actually completely irrelevant, and this was already forewarned by the fact she's not on Gaster's special list.Conveniently, she shares this trait with Dess, who's ALSO absent from the list.
>>4142457Twisted cock
>>4142466>my imagination is the only Deltarune that is more than "nothing">if they didn't give me an ending 5/7 of the way through the game then they're unwilling to ever give me an endingMENTAL ILLNESS
>>4142471im out of time 8 years in, anyone reasonable would say the same. TIME'S UP.
>>4142460>[Anon] was lost in the obsession sauce for at least 5 years straight, used to living by himself with his flowers who serve as surrogate ears because he's so used to no one in [Earth] believing his delusions except MAYBE [Anon] (and even then she's not much of an ally) that the moment someone wants to do something OTHER than support him, he either ignores them or has a meltie on them.w-wait, it's not fun anymore
>>4142471Well yeah, because Susie doesn't want an ending, and the narrative kowtows to anything Susie wants because she's the Mary Sue real protagonist of the story, and the whole point of Deltarune is how miserable it must be to be in the POV of a character who ISN'T the perpetually gifted and blessed protagonist.
>>4142456There's a porn game of every Undertale character. This fandom is tireless.
>>4142473>anon>sheUnrealistic
>>4142472>the ending of a story should come at a time dictated by real life and not the events of the story>everyone sane thinks like thisMENTALILLNESS
The modern world and this thread believe this is evil.>>4142474You came in bad faith from the start and you want to destroy everything I love.
>>4142472Oh, you're dying soon? Are those heart-attack inducing surprises finally bringing you to your limit? Great, let us know when so we can plan the funeral.
>>4142476But they kept talking about that FemAnon theory, surely it's true!
>>4142446Who else could take the main boss if Holiday dark world happens then, the cat owner ERAM Gaster?
>>4142482Dess Guitar, ICE-E, Christmas Tree, Knight rematch because Chapter 7 still has a fight against ANGEL'S HEAVEN, there's lots of options.
>>4142479it is evil, forcing the princess to dedicate her life to protect the knight
>>4142440Easy, make Noelle enter the dw but she will only join later at the end to prevent making a different scenario for aborted lake lmao
>>4142479Nobody here believes this is evil. You are an obnoxious faggot for insisting that this is somehow core to RPGs, that is why you get the response you do.
>>4142484Okay, what will Carol do >OOOOH NOELLE THAT DAY>NOELLE LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT THAT DAY
>>4142482i unironically think that the boss of CH6 could be something along the lines of a FRIENDCH6 is where everything's supposed to fall apart. what better way to do that than have a demon crash the party?
>>4142488The same thing Asgore did. Be set up as a presumed antagonist, only to be subverted again, and her apology will be towards Noelle for being a horrible homophobic mother. Then she gets Suselle her blessing, and is subsequently kidnapped by Knight. And because Noelle's freaking the fuck out, and all Susie can think about is Noelle's heartbeat, she'll suddenly start taking the kidnappings seriously and remember Knight is supposed to be a legitimate threat, thus spearheading the urgency of getting into the shelter ASAP because now it's for the sake of her precious heartbeat girl
>>4142480You're the one who said men marrying women was a technical limitation.
>>4142479Yes, because Noelle is an evil furry.
>>4142491>what if the game sucked?! It's funny to see.
>>4142494not evil. King Solomon said its ok.
>>4142481FemKris raped you.
>>4142488i'd legitimately laugh if carol was the vaguepost queen after two years of being accused of being evil and homophobic i'll still call toby a hack though, as it shows zero self awareness after the disaster that was the vaguepost king
>>4142497Susie is very lucky
>>4142496Carol's not on the Gaster list, no chance in hell she'll be anymore important than that.MAYBE the cliffhanger ends with things becoming even worse as Susie learns Kris is a FUCKING TRAITOR, but don't expect much when Toby's taking from Mother 3 and making it so the final chapter is the longest in the game, exceeding the length of multiple previous chapters combined.
>>4142498I don't really care about Kris' dick of lack thereof, it's just a funny parallel.
>>4142501Kris is a white male and he will marry his childhood friend Noelle.
>>4142491OOOOOOH and then CH7 will be Susie's department DW, they will be set-up as antagonist only to be subverted and apologize her for being horrible and then the Knight will kidnap them and then Susie will say for real real real real real this time they will take the Knight serious
>>4142504kris is a pure maiden that only appears to virgin does of good character it is a very evil thing to defile a kris
>>4142504Kris has to be a woman else I've been fapping to a man this whole time.
>Kris, remember when we went out at night to fight ghosts?>Why don't we do that anymore?Nah, this is just better than the yuricuckery that you all support.
>>4142493Nobody said that.A mostly silent hero conquering eight dungeons ruled by eight bosses was a technical limitation.You cannot dissociate one "classic" RPG element from others.
>>4142510>yuricuckery that you all supportNo one here supports Suselleslop
>>4142510The horse man NTR is so famous many japs who play DQ5 after experiencing it will be genuinely confused that it doesn't happen. DQ5 Reimagined will fix this by making it so the girl you choose as your wife NTRs you, then you try to rebound with the girl you didn't choose only to find she's married a dark skinned fat bastard, and then when you try to choose the third girl you find out she discovered she's lesbian and wants nothing to do with men.
>>4142512>>4142514this one does
>>4142515That is a shitpost. It is very transparently a shitpost. You are justifying your own mentally ill behavior with shitposts that your previous mentally ill behavior invoked.
>>4142516I don't know, the dude that NEEDS Toby to rape Dragon Quest seems very earnest.
>>4142517He needs to inject Undertale leitmotifs into classic Dragon Quest songs. He's now such a god of gaming that he can get away with it, compared to when OFF fans blasted his ass for putting Bonetrousle into Dedan's theme.
>>4142520do you believe the take that he only put it in the demo version for a bit or do you think he unironically put it in as a reference to how dedan inspired papyrus wanted to permanently leave his mark on OFF and removed it because he got blasted for it?because i think it was the latter because his head has been extremely far up his own ass the past few years
>>4142509>>4142509>Kris has to be a woman else I've been fapping to a man this whole timeI have some unfortunate news for you.
The newsletter draws near, a new rape approaches...
>>4142530>merch shilling>japan-onry museum shilling>collab shilling>more mikeposting>confirmation that Ch6 hasn't even reached the bugtesting+localization+console testing phase of development yet, guaranteeing it's a Summer 2027 releaseDid you like it?
>>4142532I am going to cum
Why is Pink's battle theme so erotic
Redpill me on deltafags trying to make human children the sex symbol of these games when there are way better designed characters in the games to get off to
>new localization team gets rid of all the gay stuff
>>4142539>there are way better designed characters in the gameNone of the characters in the game look sexy, they're pixels.Meanwhile art of Kris is incredibly sexy. Not like that trite garbage porn "artists" make. Wish I could fuck a actual androgynous emo puppyboy.
>>4142539look man i just want to feed all the humans, official and from fangames, until they're barely mobile obese blobs that spend 90% of their time awake eating
>>4142504>>4142510Why is every schizo a hmofa Kriselletard?
>>4142544Because Kris is literally me and Noelle is in love with him
>>4142543>fangame>fatfaggoteryEw
>>4142546THE PLOT OF DELTARUNE CAN BE SOLVED IF KRIS TO TOO FAT TO MAKE A DARK WORLD!
>>4142539We're just following his wishes, indie games all have loli main characters and those were all his inspirations. Above being a furry the dog is a lolicon.
HOW DO I RECRUIT TITAN
>>4142544Because the hmofa deltachuds are the only ones who are gonna stick around after all that
>>4142552Please. You won't do shit.
>>4142558Someone else might. Full Kriselle fangames everywhere and you can eat your hat
>>4142552I think they will be the first to leave honestly.
>>4142565Dood, a 3 minutes lake scene was enough to fuel kriselle, imagine an entire chapter, the only way 7b could let be a let down would be killing them right away
>>4142558Nah, he's totally right. I used to be deep into yuri back as a teen, and if I learned anything about yurifags it's that they drop stuff the second their masturbatory fantasy is over. That's why so many yuri anime and games fade away so fast. They aren't real fans of the actual show, just the lesbo dynamic. Madoka and Yuru Yuri are pretty much the only exceptions I can think, and that's only for the lolis.Believe me, once Deltarune finishes every single Suselle shipper is just gonna fade away.
>>4142567>the only way 7b could let be a let down would be killing them right awayI got some bad news... no, you will figure it out yourself.
>>4142574bad news for col that deltarune will be saved? i know
>>4142574How do you guys define "right away" anyway? I see people acting like they're not going to get any more lines just because we're finally in 7B and that feels... wrong?
Kris loves NoelleNoelle loves Kris
>>4142421anyone who knows gets too close to the truth
>>4142581>125x113You fail
>>4142536years of mikumikudance porn pavloved us into thinking jpop is erotic
>>4142585Well there's the nyans at the end there too
>>4142584I win
>>4142584Are you unironically posting susellealop?
the DVD was suselle shit again hahaha
>>4142593We've already discussed this >>4142062
>>4142595i know i just wanted to rub it in, suselle slop all the way
>>4142596No need. I've already given up all hope and accepted that Chapters 6 and 7 will be total garbage.
>>4142596Kriselle will solve all of Noelles problems. If Kris gets Noelle pregnant, Carol will pay more attention to her, she'll have more important issues than her sister that has been dead for more than 8 years.You cucks make me sick
>>4142593You got your male Kris. Be happy.
>>4142598I agree, but we both realize that Toby is focusing more on Suselle. He's too obsessed with his lesbian fetish, and even the quality of his writing suffers as a result. I believe in fan projects, I don't believe in Toby.
>>4142601>You got your flat tomboyish white Kris. Be happy.I am.
Lyrics are kinda shit probably cuz Toby has to hamfist in 3000 cryptic hidden lore vagueposts and Easter eggs
>>4142602either way, kriiselle will win
The song is pretty catchy tho, it would be cool to hear a reprisal of it down the line
>>4142580I genuinely think there's a good chance none of them will survive the lake skip but we just have to wait and see what happens.
>>4142606I hope so
>>4142598i agree, which is why its suselle slop, i still wanted a quick laugh since we are all gonna see deltarune go to shit from toby pushing suselle slop, it will happen, and there's nothing we can do about it! take the jevilpill and stop caring bros, its inevitability will hurt less
>>4142426It's a misdirect. Onion-san isn't a literal onion.
>>4142598If her husband literally being on the verge of death and being at constant risk whenever he's NOT bedridden doesn't phase Carol, her daughter being pregnant won't be of her concern either.
>>4142626Your pathetic. You actively want the shit to be in the game
>>4142598Kris implanting Gideon's mind control chip
>>4142605We've known toby is cringe at lyrics since Don't Forget
Imagine having to look up at someone like Noelle because you're shorter than her
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMbujnTTE3gfinally, some REAL deltarune contentwatch and learn, CHUDS...
>>4142646how hard will the trannies be raped if no one canonically becomes trans by the end of deltarune?
>>4142647Is that really all you think about
>>4142647not as hard as they were raped to become trannies in the first place
>>4142648I mean we talk about people getting raped all the time herethey are invested in these trans headcanons as hard as some old pet theories people had
>>4142646>Kat the Vamp>@VampinVogue>They/Them| 32 | Theory poster | Made that trans spam videoYeah, no. No thanks, I have a brain.
>>4142648you're the one that decided to shove tranny crap into everyone's face.do not act surprised when they voice their opinions on trannies.
Trannies are based because they make the most fan art and also do more work on games than anyone on 4chan
>>4142653They'd kill you if you misgendered them
>>4142656>It's ma'am!
>>4142646I refuse to watch that but judging by the thumbnail why tf would Spamton be a tranny lol
Why are you people so against the possibility of there being a 3rd route?
>>4142656That's funny because I can think of a million instances of chuds killing people but hardly any times trannies killed anyone but themselves.>>4142659The third route is the golden ending but there is no twisted route. WR 5 ends the same way whether you Proceed or not.
>>41426604channers exposing themselves as leftists again oh dear
>>41426614chan was pretty openly leftist until gg
>>4142446Asgore not having a boss fight isn't the issue, I don't see a way for it to make sense. But Asgore not fighting the Knight and just getting snatched away was criminal.
>>4142659Because currently the normal route looks like the incomplete end which would make the weird route more of a golden end, and the people who prefer the weird route out of spite for the normal route really want that to be the case
>>4142671Kris just told Asgore offscreen to let the Knight take him easy when he made the deal with Seth offscreenKris offscreen dreemurr
>>4142676Nice game that doesn't value the perspective of its player in the slightest.
>>4142677it tracks with toby's prior feelings on people playing his games
THE SUSELLE DISC IS A TOTAL DELTACHUD VICTORY!I demand the fandom to enforce Kris being white as much as his alleged pronouns.
>>4142680official art isn't canonHOWEVERit's funny how hard the xitter mutts are seething that kris is portrayed as white (despite this being obvious to everyone who isn't a fellow muttoid)
>>4142679Let's see how well that holds up when the Japanese find out he's a dirty scamming ratNo one will stick their neck out to protect this freak, he's a nobody
>>4142680It's really fucking funny that Fangamer in such a short time is making the fandom go nuts>first Toby reminding people about merch rules>the shit quality of the newer products like the green pippins>whitewashed blue>now white KrisSebastian wolf would be proud
>>4142684The Japanese don't think the player's perspective is sacred and untouchable either
>>4142693i wonder if it's toby doing reverse psychology to get more people to make more fan merch out of spite
>>4142683It's because no matter how much they try to push in the other direction, subconsciously everyone knows that white will always be the default.
>>4142697Wrong. They named Link after him being the player's connection to the world of the game.Not everyone is Hideo Kojima.
>>4142707They named Link after him being the connection between past and future before they retooled the game to not be about a time traveler fighting through the fantasy world for microchips.
>>4142680>>4142647Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think any character in Deltarune is canonically a nonbinary or trannie. Off the top of my head: Seth who seems to not know, Green who never speaks and therefore never says, Seam who is never referred to with pronouns in the game at all, and Kris who is actively hiding his life details. It would be a better subversion and moral message to *not* make characters trannies, especially for Ralsei who twits seem to want to troon out the most. In later chapters Ralsei says he likes his appearance and his body, and is comfortable expressing himself and experimenting because he understands who he is. The toxic "egg" culture of troons makes it so unbearable to discuss him because, ironically, if a feminine character must be a trannie, it forces them into defined roles which goes against the whole point of Ralsei's arc.
>>4142710seth knows but doesn't want to say
>>4142710Even Pink isn't a real tranny, she's just a sexless ghost, a literal amorphous blob of a species in UTDR's worlds, LARPing as an anime catgirl, and knows that her LARP is just a LARP because she outright states what your body is matters more than what you feel you are on the inside..
>>4142710>The weird route is the good ending because it forces Noelle to be the girl and Ralsei never troons out because of itOkay Toby is based
>>4142498You promise?
>>4142713ever heard of an allegory?
>>4142716if toby really wanted to be based, he should make it so that ralsei trooning out is portrayed in the most groomful and fucked up way, essentially you'd have to go out of your way to pick specific options to get ralsei to troon out, while portraying ralsei as uncomfortable and confused as possible, so that Ralsei transitioning is ACTUALLY portrayed as a bad thing.in fact, you could make the argument that making a "Trooned out Ralsei" route lead to success with ralsei transitioning in chapter 6 only to have chapter 7 ralsei speak out against you and tell you that he isnt trans and that he wont let you, the player, poison his mind with doubts through subtle choices of words just because you wanted to see him transition into a woman and couldnt see him for what he truly was as a person, itd be the most delightful way to rugpull the LGBT community and reveal them for mass cheering on grooming, and only a few select dumb group of people would complain about this portrayal of "trans" ralsei since they wouldnt see the twist coming or are just larping it, you might have to endure an extra year of these threads seething about toby fox, but the payoff would be great and we would be able to praise toby if he ever did such a based move
>>4142749tl;dr, toby would be based if he made trans ralsei optional and clearly as bad of a choice as it can be to rugpull the fandom
>>4142749you fail to realize that troon have zero self awareness, especially when it comes to their actions they would praise it wholeheartedly
>>4142752okay, so? more ammo against them in general, and trans ralsei fics and fanart would be fought against anyways so in the end they would be forced to stop latching onto ralsei and we'd reclaim him either way, it'd be a win-win
>>4142749>>4142750>ralsei trooning out is portrayed in the most groomful and fucked up wayand the trannies praise it forever anywaysthey did the same shit with briget from guilty gear, briget deciding to keep pretending was obviously meant to be the fucked up bad ending but the trannies supported it anyways.its literally IMPOSSIBLE to have a "bad trans rep" because those crazies will do anything to twist it into being good to make their manical echo chamber even more insane. the only way to win against them is to not include it at all.
>>4142755no one who likes quoting Bridget as trans rep actually played the game where Bridget is from to its entirety so they didn't know that, this case would be different due to deltarune having a lot of people from both sides excited to play it once all the chapters have been released so we would all see the truth, when have you seen people worldwide being explicitly excited to play guilty gear to its entirety?
I would only like trans Ralsei if he had a pussy afterwards.
>>4142759and, again, the trannies will praise it forever anyways.
>>4142768sorry, it's the 12 inches or bust
>>4142742Trannies refuse to accept their body and mutilate it at the earliest convenience, just so it can fix none of their problems and then they kill themselves anyway.
>>4142777Futa 12 inches
>>4142782only if he still has his 's nuts the hyper clit looks stupid and every royal sceptre needs the family jewels
>>4142783Ralsei's clit... is not " 's nuts".
>>4142783No you're asking for too much. Where's your spirit of compromise?
>>4142790PLAP PLAP PLAP GET PREGNANT GET PREGNANT GET PREGNANT
Just started playing Y2K II yesterday.It has cryptic masonic explanations as to what is a soul, a body and a mind given in OneShot-style paperscroll dumps.Do you think Deltarune's chapter 7 will go this way?
>>4142799Nah
>>4142799Only for things Toby doesn't want to answer, like how he keeps it ambiguous why the coffins outside of Asgore's throne room opened and emptied themselves after beating Asriel in True Pacifist.Everything he DOES want to answer will be lengthy monologues.
>>4142598Kriselle will not happen and that's a good thing.
>>4142646Rare to see FTMslop theories in this new transei world.
>>4142659Because we are at 5/7ths of the game with no real proof of it existing, nor does it follow the way Toby does alternate routes, too.
>>4142680It's funny how much hmofa self-inserter chuds are clinging on a disc that makes Kris into a third wheel.
>>4142749Toby would literally never do that.
Noo wtfPoor noelle
FRIENDknight can't stop winning
>>4142835FRIEND is just a goomba
>>4142837FRIEND didn't watch the Super Mario Bros. Super Show.
>>4142837knight is just a goomba
I spent hours of my life sparing... DARKNERS!
Demon level weird route bossfight with ralsei (he starts fucking killing Kris to make the player give up and start a new save file) where they have to keep sparing him like toriel until he lets his guard down and Noelle can jumpscare him with snowgrave, allowing the final sequence break that crashes the game or something and leads to the tainted ending
>>4142852Ralsei gets raped by Vessel in a 1v1 fight let's be real now.
>>4142854He could use overworld cutscene magic to attack the vessel from a distance/char them into a crisp, and he could abuse fake stats like flowery to become a 7000 HP tank imo, his firegrave is already pretty busted
Plus he has heal prayer so actually has sustain and could theoretically outheal le vessels dps, like how the flowers in chapter 5 kept raping Kris with their shitty healing gimmicks
>>4142856What if the Vessel does 9999 damage.
Remember in chapter 2 when people thought ralsei was evil, and after chapters 3 and 4, where they thought ralsei was gonna be useless because susies heal prayer was supposedly better than his? I remember seeing a concept where Susie could keep focusing on single target heal, while ralsei could branch out to multi-target heals. Now after chapter 5 everyone's agreed that Kris and ralsei are just sandbagging and Susie's the weakest because her biologically female muscle tone and bone density override her tomboyness
>>4142855Overworld bullets can be dodged like regular bullets.
>Susie being the weakest because she's a womanBased
>>4142861Remember how chapter 5 made battles worthless because everyone's faking and cheating and stuffLiterally what is the point of battles after that
My wife is so ugly i love her.
>>4142874Not!Noelle...
>>4142873What was the point of battles when you thought everyone was trying their hardest and the stats were 100% real and honest?
>>4142877It's a device used to show the characters growth more than anything elseThe point of battles is obviously to give the heroes something to fight. It's so you can make the next sequence feel earned.Like any jrpg
>>4142880Well there's your problem. First of all, "any JRPG" doesn't use battles the same way. Secondly, Deltarune never intended to use its battles in the way "any JRPG" does.The next sequence is "earned" by progression, whether the enemies were cheating or trying their hardest doesn't matter because the challenge levied on the player was the ultimate point. The characters don't have to match to the level of challenge the player feels.
>>4142882Then why should I bother with the battles,they're a joke now
>bro, what if the stats were like, fake and stuff?I must wonder if he ever considered that some might in fact, not think this is cool at all.
>>4142884Because you are trying to progress, the exact same as before.>but I felt like I was trying just as hard as the protagonists before!And that illusion breaking doesn't change the story at all.
>>4142888It changes it to me it breaks my immersionLike the other thing I hate because it breaks my immersion that every freak in this thread defends
>>4142890"Immersion" is not a part of any story and preserving it is not virtuous. It is something that mostly happens if the story keeps the protagonist "out of the way", which is an asinine way to write a story.
>>4142891Make a film if you think that way, and keep your hands off my vidya.
>>4142892What fucking films are you "immersed" in by pretending you're literally the main character? That one first person film was a gimmick, you know.
>>4142892>Toby is raping me>Anon is raping me>Everyone is raping meWhy are you such a rape victim holy shit
In my opinion, in a game where the outcome is supposedly prophesied the main source of emotional tension and drama should be about them subverting said prophecy rather than whether or not they beat the boss, since that itself is pre-ordained, and that's what the weird route is for and what Toby's been trying to do with his final prophecy vagueposting about "that horrible day" which will concern "those people" in "that way"
>>4142893I'm not, but that is what I play my games for
>>4142896>if you don't want me to literally think I'm the main character then don't make anything interactive ever!The point of the interactive part is that solving problems is entertaining. "Immersion" is a byproduct of the way some problems are presented, not the point of games as a whole.
>>4142887The stats are not fake. What would be the point of level up Noelle then?
>>4142895Unfortunately this angle can't be compelling in the present because Toby is doing his classic "establish the plot but then backload the plot into the final stretch and occupy the rest of the game with miscellaneous vignettes and occasional character development" just like most Dragon Quests (huh, funny that), and since this is an episodic game that's so far looking to take at least 10 years to be fully complete, that means we don't get the payoff to this whole setup for a weekend-length until later still.This will be a nonissue once we can finally play the full game from start to finish, and suddenly every glaring complaint is minimized because the WAIT no longer exists, which is the main fuel for schizo meltdowns because they decided to invest their entire life's interest into an unfinished product, KNOWING it would take an extended period of time before they could correctly judge the product, KNOWING they would be missing information and the context of how the game is meant to be played once fully complete.
>>4142898He thinks all the stats are fake because Flowery figured out the meta to trick the system and show illusory 999 stats in everything, as well as the fact that Kris and Ralsei are both canonically holding back, meaning their stats are just lesser versions of the true values they're capable of.Funny enough, if one believes ALL the flowers parallel Kris in some way, Flowery tricking the system so thoroughly that it's only when an absolute force like Knight forces the trick to shatter is actually huge FemKris evidence, because it shows Kris theoretically COULD trick the system into believing she's nonbinary so she no longer qualifies as The Girl.
>>4142898Imo the "stats are fake" seem to play into dark worlds as physically actualized imagination, so there could be a psychological component to killing darkners (Noelle becomes more callous and holds back less) the same way LVL and exp was framed as the quantification of murderous intent harming monsters especially because of their magicThe fun gang leveling up on a pacifist route anyways, who knows, maybe they're getting more courageous which also buffs their stats or getting more profiwicnt at something
>>4142899I don't understand what about the angle that the plot is the main struggle and the battles are mostly foregone conclusions where your failures are largely non-canon is uncompelling. I don't need payoff to be interested in the direction of a setup.
>>4142894Why not? Can I not blame bad actors who came with bad intentions to subvert what I love when I can observe them coming out in force to defend what they did.>>4142897The game in question doesn't want me solving its problems. Doesn't even let me try, and pulled out the shittiest excuses as why it's stalling and won't throw me a single bone.>>4142899There was no reason to hide the final prophecy. It was done out of spite, and the game will continue to do this until the very end, because you keep supporting it.
>>4142894CoL is Kris.
>>4142904I would rape maleandrogynouskris in a heartbeat
>>4142903The problem is the battle. Winning and progressing the story solves it. You can lose the battle even if the characters are faking because the gameplay is meant to be entertainment for you and a challenge you can't fail isn't really entertaining. Not because it's trying and failing to "immerse" you in the characters' struggle.
Gaster is gonna try to do his usual "crash the game" bullshit at the end of the Weird Route only for the Player to hit him with the "SINCE WHEN WERE YOU THE ONE IN CONTROL".
>>4142902The struggle is the conflict of Kris being both the protagonist and the antagonist, and the inevitability that he'll be outed to Susie, and we know how bad Susie gets about traitors based on how she reacted to Lancer locking them up in Chapter 1, and that she still has that fire in her from how she blew up on Ralsei in Chapter 4.It's just, again, because Toby's taking notes from the classics, we can't actually see this come to full fruition until Chapter 6's cliffhanger at the earliest, especially with how protective he is of the plot that he doesn't want anyone to figure out THAT DAY, what exactly the "only one way" to save both worlds is, or any other burning questions or mysteries, until they're spelled out in Chapter 7 or 7B.
TO SAVE THE WORLDS THERE'S ONLY ONE WAYCOL MUST BE RAPED ALL DAY
>>4142908I still don't see how this is uncompelling. I have been interested to see where it's going the whole time. Yes, the big questions aren't answered yet, but that feels like a given.
>>4142906It stopped being entertaining the moment one of the big bosses was unable to be attacked and the main antagonist can just slice numbers in half without fail.It stopped being entertaining the moment dungeons were just created out of the blue right in front of me for no other reason than to pad out the games runtime and stall for as long as possible. I'm tired of this shit, I don't want this to be the future.
>>4142911It's uncompelling if you're a schizo who's made it his entire life's purpose to fixate on Deltarune and nothing else for the past 8 years, knowing that the game is unfinished, knowing that the game will not tell its story in full until it's a full game.
Reminder Dess was younger than Noelle when she went missing
>>4142912The gameplay has never been affected this way by the story for me. The gameplay challenges are as they are no matter how the story makes me feel. If I like how a game plays, I can and sometimes do ignore the story.>but none of what I listed as complaints is storyIt all is.
>>4142914Also it's very likely we're gonna have a full-on flashback since the sprites are consistent with each other throughout the Chapters.
>>4142916I cannot ignore the story when it negatively affects the gameplay(that publicity stunt in chapter 4) because the game forces me to watch the story and participate(forces me to watch suselle just to play the actual game)
>>4142918It's practically guaranteed, the Kid Noelle sprite from the Undertale 10th anniversary stream wasn't included in the sprite asset ZIP file, which was comprised of new assets made specifically for the stream, meaning Kid Noelle is a Deltarune sprite they simply snuck into the stream.
The last image belongs to Tenna
>>4142922LIKE HELL IT DOES!! THE [[Final Offer! Buy NOW!]] IS RESERVED FOR ONLY THE [biggest faggot on the whole board]
>>4142919Nothing in chapter 4's story negatively affected the gameplay.Disliking the story you have to go through isn't the story affecting the gameplay either.The gameplay is what it is no matter how you experience it. Your experience is what's affected by all of this, not the gameplay.
>>4142923FUCK.>>4140472YOU FUCKING LIARRRRRR
>>4142925Anon, there are 300 images in the thread right now. I think you've failed to refresh since one got deleted.
>>4142924dont harm my experience then. don't tell me to go somewhere to get something, punish me for trying(i wasnt allowed to do anything else), then force me to fail and take in the wrong direction. The game did this twice. I find it hard to care when I know im going in the wrong direction for no good reason.
>>4142926Shit you're right.
>>4142927The game didn't tell you that. One character talked about doing that and then another interrupted their plans. "The game" is not one character.If you're "forced" to do something then it isn't a failure and isn't wrong. It's just how the story goes. Something you do is only a failure if there was a chance to succeed.
>>4142929>sincerely trying to debate and inform with CoLYou're just as deranged as he is if you think you can get him to concede or break his mentally ill worldview.
>>4142929>one character talked about doing thatthere was literally nothing else to go on, nothing else, its like you want the game to be a flim more and more, dont call this an adventure, its hasnt been one since chapter 4
>>4142931There wasn't supposed to be any in-universe objective that you, the player, are that invested in fulfilling. You were supposed to quit if you were no longer interested in seeing the story progress however it does. I think processing games this way is overall harmful to your ability to enjoy them for what they are.
>>4142935Bullshit. You could have advertised that in your little steam page.
>>4142942There is no story in existence where you are meant to be motivated to keep going by your desire to see something happen in the world of the story and not your interest in what the story will do. Deltarune didn't feel a need to advertise this because it is the norm.
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