I can't wait to not get a newsletter on halloween. I can't wait for the more straightforward, shorter and easy to make chapter to still take until the summer of 2027 to release. I can't wait for it to not actually answer much at all and to keep having the same discussions here that we're having right now over and over until chapter 7 releases in 2029. I am so happy.
Have we discussed who the conch on the second game board could be referring to yet?Personally I thought it was Ralsei, but now I think it's Eram
Every child Kris design after Chapter 5:
>>4132192Toby mentioned in a newsletter that he expects Chapter 6 being content complete only at the end of the year, just like 5 was last year. I really expect 6 to come out at the same time as 5 did this year.
What good are words when a smile says it all?And if this world won't write me an endingWhat will it take just for me to have it all?Does my pen only write bitter words for those who are dear to me?Is it love if I take you, or is it love if I set you free?The ink flows down into a dark puddle.How can I write love into reality?
>>4132200>Chapter 6 being content complete only at the end of the yearMind explaining where he said that, exactly? Because the closest I can find to that is this>https://toby.fangamer.com/newsletters/ch5-release-date/>This sounds crazy, but it’s not unrealistic that some staff members may start working on Chapter 7 before the end of the year.And in my opinion, "some staff members may start working on Chapter 7 before the end of the year." does not exactly mean "Chapter 6 will be content complete at the end of the year.".
>>4132208Usually the team only fully moves to another chapter once it's content complete.
>>4132211Ok, and where did Toby mention anything about the team moving fully to chapter 7?
>>4132195It could be anyone but I guess it's the vessel or any goner copy, since copies can only repeat what they mirror.
>>4132212In the newsletter you just posted, the same thing happened with other chapters, but maybe it's going to take even longer if only some are going to move to 7.
>>4132215I don't see that, I see "some staff members may start working on Chapter 7", maybe in your mind "some staff members" transformed into "all staff members".
>>4132192>keep having the same discussions here that we're having right now over and overYou control the threads you click on.
>>4132211Maybe they completed the assets and the drawfags are moving on to ch7 while the rest of paid hacks still need to vibecode the minigames o algo.
>>4132192I'm gonna doom further and say that 6 is coming in fall next year, not summer.
>>4132219Chapter 6's bottleneck isn't how long it's going to take to develop, translate and bugfix, it's how long we will have to wait for a Nintendo Direct to announce it which means it'll stay in the fridge in a complete state for months because Toby sold his soul to Nintendo.
>>4132234>we're excited to announce that starting with chapter 6, the complete version of deltarune will be nintendo switch 2 exclisive!
>>4132238You really love to think about scenarios where you constantly suffer, don't you? Careful, that's how you become a Kris.
What are the chances toby "copy-paste" fox based hometown on tranquility lane?
>>4132216If only some staff members are moving to 7 at the end of the year then 6 could still be even further away than we think.
>>4132249Yes, I think that is true, add in that there's gonna be an around 3 month post-production, and that Toby seems to like to wait for chapters to be announced during specific events and such, and early summer 2027 is the earliest 6 could release, and I wouldn't be surprised if it took longer.
>>4132243>turns out Noelle is an 80 year-old grandpa obsessed with eternally NTRing a digital copy of his childhood friend as vengeance for ghosting him decades ago.
Deltarune's best virtue in Chapter 1 was all about its interesting premise for an RPG that was sacrificed for the sake of writing a character-centric storyDeltarune's best virtue post Chapter 1 was about its character-centric writing and now the character writing is being sacrificed for themes and such sloppy writingAnd soon enough Deltarune's thematic cohesion will be sacrificed to write some pretentious message about the nature of playing videogamesIn the end Deltarune will be left with nothing good about it
>>4132251Is it only 3 months of post production? 4 was content complete in September of 24 and it still took it until June for it to come out, and I think 5 was content complete in December and it took until June, too.
>>4132259I'm taking Toby's word when he says the chapter will be shorter so hopefully the post-production period will be shorter too, but who knows.
>>4132243very low
Kris? A flirty slut.Noelle? Two faced perv.Susie? Literal puppy, too pure for this world.
>>4132267Susie is canonically horny for Noelle nowadays dude.
>>4132268Nah, Susie is too innocent. Even her theme song implies she isn't even sure if she's in love or not.
>>4132197why dont kress artists use this design? is it cause it proves that kris is a girl?
me on the left
Chapter 7B's gimmick will be side-scrolling action sections where you press Z to iceshock enemies
>>4132272There are some lolicon Kress artists but they are fewer compared to the majority of /ss/ larpers.
>>4132272The real question is why don't Kress artists use this design more often?
>>4132279Because non-age gap Kress is BORINGGGG
>>4132280The age gap doesn't suddenly stop existing if they're both a bit older, it's not even the most interesting part of it (though it is the appeal for many), that's just doing a disservice to the ship
>>4132272Most Kress stuff is just for /ss/, Aqua!Kris goes against that.
>>4132279Because the appeal of Kress is a shota being molested dude.
>>4132279Because that gets rid of the shota aspect.
>shota*loli
There is no pain like being into aged-up (current) Kress.
>>4132287What about Krusiefags?
>>4132286True but let's be kind to our Shota Kris friends, okay?
>>4132289To be fair, no one depicts one or the other as an OOC pedophile when they ship that. Frankly I'm happy it didn't become canon because Kris & Susie getting a horrible romance arc that becomes their entire personality would've hurt my soul more than what we got, even if it still sucks.
>>4132289I unironically think there's more hope for Krusie than Kriselle. Current Kris likes Susie more than Noelle, and Suselle is going to fail for sure. It's easy math.What about Noelle you think? I hate indecisive people. She dies alone.
>>4132286Kressfags are mostly shotafags dude.
>>4132296>and Suselle is going to fail for sure.Anon...
>>4132296Krusiebro it's time to let go
It's out.https://youtu.be/W1vkyn5yq5w
>>4132300>>4132304I am full of hopes and dreams. It will happen. I know it deep in my heart and it will be glorious.
>>4132305Yikes
>>4132306Person who made that insane blogpost about Deltarune chapters being switched...
>>4132192>femkris>male coded krisHave you considered the possibility of Twink Kris?
>>4132353Isn't that just male Kris?
>>4132296>>4132306>"Toby will subvert suselle in chapter six and then everything will be in order. Krusie can still happen.">"Mein Führer... Toby...">"...Toby teased a new chapter six song on xitter. It's called 'Kris in the cuck chair'."
>>4132353reverse trap kris is better i imagine kris having a voice similar to naoto's in p4 when she's pretending to be a dude every other voice i've heard for kris is very obviously a dude with no attempt at being androgynous, which defeats the entire point
>>4132300>>4132304>>4132310>>4132362Just so you know, I screencapped these posts and put them in my grudge folder. I will remember this moment, and in a year or so you will regret not believing in me.
what does /vrpg/ think about puppies?
>>4132366I like to think Kris's voice is similiar to Yukiko.
>>4132369I think they're neat
>>4132369I need Kris puppies in my mouth
>>4132369I want to pull puppy Kris's tail and shout at them for being completely disobedient
>hey bro, what if we took a beloved genre of games and raped it so bad that no one wants to make one anymore, i'm just so tired of traditional rpgs that everyone else should be too>hey guys, you know that bad show that preaches about how an npc being an npc in a video game is just so evil, we should do that for a whole game while still begging for merch moneyi hope Japan just makes this subversive cretin disappear one day, i wont miss him, he is the enemy in every way possible.
>>4132376nips can have pretty dogshit taste, but they also seem very resistant to things that are subversive toby might be too far up his own ass to recognize this, nips can be open to new ideas but his style has the trappings of leftism, which the japanese historically dislike and are becoming more aware of in their society as an imported rot
schizo is at it againhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiRKUskBq4Y
>>4132380Trappings of leftism? He is a leftist, a militant leftist who publicly cheers on the murderous actions of Islamic terrorists like the organizations he gave money to, the ones that directly participate in those actions.
Why do people pretend the japanese can never be leftists?
>>4132376>edgy meta shit is somehow against "a thousand skeletons">a game can rape an entire genre by being written wrong>schizo rambling about unrelated mediatell me more
I blame Toby for making me really into /ss/, specifically where it's a young lady. I genuinely love the dynamic of a young boy being with young lady. Too bad it's too problematic to be featured in other media that aren't on AO3 or pornI can't wait Dess gets revealed so we can get even more Kress fics.>>4132294Are there fics between the two where Dess isn't abusive but still romantic?
>>4132387it is though. you cant say the world is as big as you want it to be and then say said world is just a simulation and that any modification damages the perfect simulation
>>4132386Because there is no greater leftist than the pasty white man.
>>4132388I guess there are some on ao3 but idk.
>>4132391But the greatest leftist was a russian?
>>4132393slavs are white, regardless of whatever youve been told
>>4132353That's just male Kris (fag edition)>>4132369I like them but I prefer catgirls.
>>4132376CoL, the meat factory thing is bullshit. It's not happening, don't be raped by fan content.
>>4132386because every japanese leftist is either a korean, chinese, or has sold out to american companies even the jap communists in the '60s were compromised by mao and the like did you know? every pride festival in japan has openly been funded by blackrock and the israeli government
>>4132398(me)deltarune
>>4132386I don't know, there's even a nip xitter user that constantly argues for all humans being non-binary.
>>4132398iSrAeL!!!!!!
Shayy has posted another video btw.
>>4132402>sir, a second shayy video has hit the fanbase
>>4132397your right its just gonna be nothing instead
>>4132397I mean HAPPY TOWN was a thing, its probably going to be something beyond our predications though
>>4132393>>4132394You mean the two jews sent to Russia to spread the ideology of a German jew?We have at least six months until Toby announces ch6 with his nintendo daddies and we are already /pol/posting while 90% of the images in the thread are about lusting over Kris. It's genuinely over.
Toby fox now has a site on Wikiquote
>>4132405It's still not going to be the spritesheet shit that's being shilled.>>4132407If it were Noelle images you wouldn't be bitching, faggot
>>4132407Hey it's not my fault we're stuck with an assraped schizophrenic.
>>4132416The sprite sheet is a prediction based on our peek into how goners are made. It's not completely out of left field.
>>4132415>"What's the point of killing something? What kind of lesson is that giving players and kids that play the game? I think that we can develop more games that show that there are non-violent ways of dealing with conflicts and that teach people to be friendlier."what an embarassing quote, and people wanted to tell me that toby didnt intend to preach pacicuckoldry onto the kiddies playing his games
>>4132415Risky gigaquotes that might get you banned.
>>4132419And they think you're delusional if you think the whole game won't be pacicuck from now on after Flowery bruised Susie's ego about being a hero. In Chapter 6 she's gonna grab and throw away the FIGHT button and then tear apart the options for Rude Buster, FireShock, IceShock and even Snowgrave if you try and select them because "real heroes don't solve things with violence" and the Deltarune of Chapter 1 is an objectively different game that hadn't yet been touched by the greed of merchandizing.
What level of raped™ is this?
>>4132407*destabilize, not spread ideology i'm pretty sure it was not the intent of the german government to completely destroy russia, to the point where the tsar and his family were murdered by ravenous fanatics
>>4132418Except the person who made the slop we're seeing didn't think at all about the gonermaker when making it nor does anyone include any goner stuff into it
>>4132422probably not to that extent but i can see susie and ralsei not FIGHTing anymore except against bosses, i still think you'll be able to press FIGHT on your own
>>4132427It's entirely possible, she knows about UI elements now and is completely nonchalant about them. And if Ralsei thinks a better outcome can be achieved without being violent, and Susie can now only feel like a hero for sparing enemies, they'll veto any fight attempts by healing enemies just like they did for Flowery, and even max damage Black Shard won't be enough to wreck the coming foes in one shot.
>>4132426I'm talking about the parallels to the general process of making goners we learned from one of the seven flying aces. Start with an "image" of what you want, "copy" it, "color" it.
>>4132394>laughs in Ukraineanyhow how are you fags doing
>>4132428at least noelle hasnt been poisoned by their retarded beliefs, we could still win by using black shard and iceshock, snowgrave might yield some "girl dont use that shit" cutscene so not that stuff, but either way, it's fair game, there's a strong game design argument for why noelle is coded to equip jingleblade and blackshard, they're meant to allow you to FIGHT and deal enough damage anyways
>>4132419Toby doesn't intend to preach universal pacifism. He wants people to be able to actually look at what's happening in a game's story and not get attached to symbolic meanings of random mechanics. That quote seems to be him justifying the premise of being nice to anything called a "monster" to someone who barely knows about video games.
>>4132422Or Flowery was a specific story circumstance who won't be automatically repeated anytime you want to fight just because you got RAPED once.
>>4132419i like pacifism what's embarrassing is the same guy approved of flowery bullying ralsei bullying orange in chapter 5that's how i knew the guy doesn't believe in what he preaches but just preaches what makes him look the best
>>4132432>Toby doesn't intend to preach universal pacifismProceeds to walk back chapter 1
>>4132437King was not meant to be a true villain. You were letting what you wanted get in the way of what was there.
>>4132435tbf i found it weird how susie and ralsei are ok with you telling them to attack orange and green even through green didnt do anything bad but attacking flowery is out of the question?
>>4132434This anon's scenario: >>4132428 makes more sense. I mean this chapter ended up on Susie living in her delusion world she's not gonna let you touch HER darkners.And Ralsei's a pussy who prays for Susie instead of praying for the cage with human parts.
>>4132415I like Undertale but that first quote is fucking retarded
>>4132432>That quote seems to be him justifying the premise of being nice to anything called a "monster" to someone who barely knows about video games.the quote literally says "players", it's clearly meant for players in general, in what part is the quote meant to be justifying the premise of being nice to anything called a "monster" to "someone who barely knows about video games."?
>>4132438I don't know what you're referring to or what your argument even is so I'm gonna have to ignore that.If I may ask, why does Ralsei say>Wow, when I healed someone I just got backstabbed for it. Maybe trusting everyone isn't the way to go? And then this line of thought get completely abandoned for the remainder of the game?
>>4132442And that's different from "we'll never be allowed to fight for the rest of the game". Unless you're brain poisoned enough to think chapters 6 and 7 will continue validating Susie escapism without question because you're just that incensed about the fucking dykeasaur it's a temporary story circumstance.
>>4132443Toby is a mentally retarded child it should have been obvious by now
>>4132446Depends how the trannies react to chapter 6.They might unironically take the Susie pill and coerce Toby into making chapter 7 suck.
>>4132445Because the game isn't over yet.>it should already be questioning himIt is, just not in specifically the form of him needing to not heal an enemy. He's seeing that pacifism isn't changing anything about the overall path of the prophecy, and that being a pushover helps nobody.
>>4132450>He's seeing that pacifism isn't changing anything about the overall path of the prophecy, and that being a pushover helps nobody.and then ralsei proceeds to force pacifism onto you during the flowery fight, almost as if the line got completely abandoned for the remainder of the game?
>>4132444The quote as you represent it doesn't seem like an opinion someone who actually plays video games would hold. It does sound like a response to a reductive question like "why would I be nice to an enemy?" without pre-empting the points Undertale itself makes.
Which character raped anons here more?
>>4132451Pacifism might not change where the prophecy is going but Ralsei still doesn't want to be personally responsible for any hurtful acts if he can help it.
>>4132453none because they aren't real sadly
>>4132453Susie for sure
>>4132453you meant who raped the most anons or who raped the hardest?
>>4132450This is the kind of thing I'd expect to get developed thorought the game, not referenced once at the start and once later.Hell I think that even in a completely ideal world where this does get referenced again in Ch7, the speech made it seem like Ralsei had ALREADY learnt his lesson, but the rest of the game makes it seem like he hasn't because pure pacifism is still there and a lot of the game makes it seem like the "correct" choice.
>>4132450>>4132459by the time i got to Hotland in Undertale I had a pretty good understanding of the entire story and each character motivation.there’s 2 chapters left of Deltarune and i still have no fucking idea why Kris is working with the Knight, or the “vessel”s purpose
>>4132461You've said this dude, can we not loop back to the same argument again
>>4132458The hardest rapings of anons.
>>4132463Isn't it hypocritical of you to play games centered around the timeline looping and then asking Anon not to loop?
>>4132419Why this quote was completely ignored in discussions about this?Funny how after years of "you didn't get le point" it turns out the point really was "you shouldn't be mean to fictional characters".
>>4132459It is getting developed throughout the game.You wanted "development" to mean "Ralsei getting over pacifism" and not "Ralsei figuring out what he intends to achieve with pacifism".
>>4132467Because taking this quote at face value makes you question why Toby added the genocide route.
>>4132467probably because the quote wasn't that well-known, still, make sure to save it for later arguments>>4132415btw the site has many other quotes as well, might be good for analysishttps://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Toby_Fox
>>4132461are you spirit_504 or did you just copypaste his tweet?
>>4132465well battat absolutely broke me but susie is still a strong contender overall
>>4132461You didn't know why Flowey was like he was. You could've maybe guessed his connection to the royal family but not what happened to him. That's about the level of understanding DessKnight sits right now btw.
>>4132415I will get called schizophrenic and raped for this but to me it feels like Toby is the kind of person who would think something like playing a fascist country in HoI4 is a genuine moral failure on the player's part.
>>4132415>I hope in the end, UNDERTALE has an overall good effect on the world
>>4132471so that he can preach about it? that's like asking why would a game like spec ops the line would preach about war games while being a war game, if undertale was known as a hippie game where you cant possibly kill anybody, then it wouldn't have had the same effect as it did, the fact is, all the guilttripping and shit got to the small kiddies and thus pushed them into pacicuckoldry as toby wanted to preach that
>>4132470Dunno, I feel like you're the one in denial here.
>>4132415Another quote from the article that the first quote is from>"To kill or not to kill is really not a choice for most people," Fox said. "It's predetermined by their personality. But just having the choice is important. Otherwise people would never feel guilty, and you should feel guilty. It was your fault, after all."So he was deliberately trying to make you feel bad for your actions in Undertale
>>4132478We knew he had the power of SAVE since the 2013 demo.
>>4132471see >>4132483
>>4132415>On Homestuck>It takes a certain audience to really understand Homestuck and get into it. If there is somebody I want to recommend it to, I tell them why I like it—hilarious dialogue, stuff I’m nostalgic for like video games, AWESOME MUSIC. Definitely not a megalomaniac here
>>4132415Really glad these quotes exist because it makes clear that one of the main points of Undertale is just>damn if videogame NPCs were real people it would be pretty messed up to treat them like you do in most games
>>4132483isn't it fucking funny how after literal years of arguing about what the game was really trying to say, toby himself confirmed the most basic take possible years ago?it really was that simple, and you might wonder what else is as simple.
>>4132479Raped schizophrenic.
>>4132491>[Homestuck] basically launched my career. So... I really owe a lot to Homestuck! It made me better at music, allowed me to make my game, connected me with many important friendships, and it taught me lessons on HOW TO DEAL WITH FANDOM AND THE IMPORTANCE OF VALUING YOUR FANS.Hussiefication bros I...
>>4132492And for this reason I'll bring back my old theory for the weird route:>>damn if videogame NPCs were real people it would be pretty messed up to try to romance them like you do in most gamesthe point of side b really will be just "dating characters bad"
>>4132492You're a indie dev and you want to make a game that actually has a very deep message. Which path will you explore?>Ohh how about a meta message like a videogame about playing videogames>Hmm how about big feelings like depression
>>4132491the word you're looking for is pretentious
>>4132481Spec ops wanted you to not play it. It was designed by retards. Undertale wasn't. If Toby considered it a moral failure to hurt fictional characters he wouldn't let you hurt his.>but it wouldn't be as effective a messageYou're right, the extreme contrast needs to exist or the game doesn't land, but that isn't because it's trying to teach pacifism, it's because it wants to ensure there's always more "content" down a road you didn't initially come to the game for. If Toby believed meta pacifism was important, he'd be accusing himself of everything he accused his fanbase of.>>4132483>>4132488Coming from the same interview of the first quote makes me question the level on which Toby is discussing the topic. I refuse to believe Undertale was flatly meant to say "be nice to NPCs" when Toby has continued to let you torment them.
>>4132499No I think it's gonna be "damn doing glitches would probably be awful to videogame characters if they were real"
>>4132497Like, I'm not even gonna get into Mike stuff and shit.How the FUCK can he say this and then go on to piss off the OFF fandom so hard?How did he not think putting Bonetrousle in that song was profoundly out of touch?
>>4132505It was a funny joke to be fair
>>4132494The version of Undertale that interview implies is one that goes like a completely normal JRPG on the genocide route and like the normal Undertale on the pacifist route. But that isn't what Undertale is in the real world, it's just him keeping kayfabe about genocide. Remember he didn't even like naming Chara until recently.
>>4132499i think itll be closer to>>damn if videogame NPCs were real people it would be pretty messed up to want non-canon ships to happenessentially meaning that toby will moralfag you for trying to wingman kris and noelle together
>>4132505Bro that's the magic of this quote.It tells you he learned lessons, not that he learned the good ones
>>4132502anon, the quote in >>4132483 literally answers your questions and you're still ignoring it lmao
What's with this autistic wave of Toby hate?
>>4132492Well yeah Undertale does ask that question, it's an inevitable part of questions like "what if characters could respond to game-isms slightly more like people do?" that are core to Undertale's humor. But it's not one of the main points, it's just part of the premise that the characters respond to your actions in a slightly less "video game" flavored way.
>>4132502>I refuse to believe Undertale was flatly meant to say "be nice to NPCs" when Toby has continued to let you torment them.I don't think it was meant to be only that, but the answer to that was given by Toby too in that quote, you need the choice to be able to hurt the NPCs because otherwise the message to being nice to NPCs falls a bit flat. Is it really kindness if your only option is to be kind?
>>4132499That theory doesn't make much sense. You aren't forcing anything new, you're just dragging out what was already buried inside Noelle. Noelle secretly wants this, and she already had feelings for Kris that she convinced herself were fake.
>>4132478Nah, we have more info/easy presumptions on DessKnight even if we don't know the full story. She was exploring with Kris (and probably Noelle and Asriel) when they got lost in the shelter by following a pointed tail. They couldn't get out of the dark world (the door's slammed shut on them), so Kris tries sealing the fountain to escape. Something happens where Kris hurts Dess (either it's the fountain sealing or something else) that fucks things up and makes her LOST (literally in the darkness and in the game sense of her bonds being broken to become stronger). Dess loses her mind in the unused dream/nightmare state and is slowly becoming a collection of memories, at some point she's so desperate she makes a fountain. We still don't know what the scratching is or what her exact motivation as the Knight is (even if I think that's also strongly implied), but we have enough to come up with why she's the way she is.
>>41325153 entire underwhelming chapters and multiple unnecessary fandom acknowledgements do that
>>4132514That quote doesn't answer my questions at all. It just looks like him not acknowledging genocide, especially early on.>>4132518If you just needed the option to hurt them, you don't need the whole genocide route, just make the game go as normal and then let you kill each boss and move on.
>>4132515It's just one anon, maybe two.
>>4132518>Is it really kindness if your only option is to be kind?more like, is it really special if your only option is to be kind?>>4132517so why would toby say that moralfagging is the message then >>4132419, >>4132483
>>4132499So Toby is willingly telling us it's okay to let Kris (his self-insert) be a miserable self-deprecating loser who's not aiming for any girlThis guy is so profoundly mentally ill it's sad, actually
>>4132515I regret to inform you that for some time anyone that actually wanted to discuss Deltarune/Undertale has vacating and you're left with jannies roleplaying an alternate reality where everyone else is operating on the same Indian tier retardation as them, and /vg/ posters crossboarding.Nobody here really likes or has probably even played the game.
>>4132515You are just one contrarian anon, maybe two
>>4132515it has always existed
>>4132515It's like one or two guys desperate to make it out like Toby was somehow forced to make an elaborate torture porn route just to offer an alternative to pacifist.
>>4132524>"you should feel guilty"It's part of the quote and should tell you everything you need to know
>>4132499Yup. Pink's cafe scene is already a microcosm of this because you shouldn't assume the feelings and intentions of your vidyer game characters and play dolls with them. The whole point is that Kris was HAPPY to have an out from dating with Pink but all the self-inserters seethed at Susie instead.
>>4132531literally no one here is saying that toby was forced to do anything, what a dumb way of trying to downplay our criticism
>>4132526Because this is a very early interview and he didn't want to mention genocide head on. He still doesn't discuss stuff related to it particularly openly. If you don't acknowledge genocide, the point of Undertale really does look like that kind of saccharine nonsense.
>>4132429If the fan concepts leaned into that aspect I would probably like them more.
Hi I'm one or two guys, ask me anything
>>4132537When will this suffering end?
>>4132449Toby is doing his own story, he doesn't care about what others think of it.
>>4132537Could you please tell the voice inside your head to shut the fuck up?
>>4132453Susie, Battat/Mike, Yellow/Blue
>>4132541Yeah, butt now he has a superstar status to be worried about. Originally he was just one of the Homestuck music guys, now he's literally sitting and fucking around with folks like Sakurai, Yoko Taro and Kodaka.If any of his snowflake affiliates decide he needs to go, they can just expose that he was a sex pest or pedophile, and then suddenly all good will is erased and he's getting anally annihilated.
>>4132536It's how I've interpreted every fan take I've seen of the sprite sheet as the meat factory so far. What else is supposed to be functionally important about a field of lifeless images? Kris and Noelle continuing to go through the "this isn't real" crisis can only be so much of 7B, and that's the only other thing that comes to mind. Maybe removing someone from the sprite sheet would render them gone from the game? But there are other places you could have that kind of interaction, like the filesystem, whereas specifically "images" are related to goner production.
>>4132537how dare you criticise our savior tony fuchs?
>>4132541No, he does care about what the leftists think. He makes the game for them after all, he needs them to be happy
>>4132467For the same reason we ignore "haven't you learned anything in 10 years" when you kill the 10th anniversary monsters.
>>4132547see the third quote in >>4132415
BEHOLD, A TRUE RAPED™
>>4132548It's crazy how all Toby had to do was make fun of his fans with Aberrant and everyone proceeded to ignore this.
no matter how evil toby may be, he can't be all bad because he gave us krissy
It's good Toby made fun of his fans actually.
>>4132548Because that was about how fighting didn't really repel the retards who demanded all streamers play pacifist?
>>4132550great job doxxing your own twitter account
>>4132555Jokes on you i just downloaded the image off of /utg/
>>4132515People who like the game have moved on and are occupying their time doing something else until 6 comes out. The only ones left are the most bottom of the barrel mental invalids.
>>4132483Toby lost when Chara vs Sans ended up being the most popular part of the game.
>unfortunately you can't just kill people who make up bullshit about my game, as annoying as they are>"WTF THIS IS PACIFIST PROPAGANDA"
>>4132557Pretty much. We're at the point where the signs are clear. There's too little to theorize anymore, OC is dead because of this new wave of "if it's not canon-compliant Tobycore it's BAD actually", and pretty much everyone has made the safe assumption that if Chapter 6 doesn't get announced at the Winter Nintendo Direct, it'll be yet another Summer 2027 release, because Toby has squarely locked in his release date trailers with Nintendo Direct.
This interview has a little bit of everything. Truly a must-read among Toby interviews:https://www.npr.org/2020/10/17/924581553/make-love-not-war-five-years-of-undertale>Some of the story was almost written improvisationally at the last minute.Kek. Lol. Lmao even.>Really [Undertale] is just a huge katamari of things that I like that I combined arbitrarily.Yeah we know.>Fox's sequel to Undertale, is pretty explicit in its moral messaging that it's okay to fight back against a violent oppressoDeltarune's message is le marxism.>Toby in response to some fan thinking Deltarune's message is the value of fighting back against the system:>Why am I working on games instead of out there fighting?This is also in the context of Saint George Floyd's death>I think entertainment can be like mental medicineMore like estrogen, yeah. Also he doesn't seem to know meds are a psyop by big pharma.>>4132549He's talking about the chuds, not the lefties, duh.
>>4132559he never said that
>>4132415This is a treasure trove of stuff to use to shit on Toby, great find anon.
Do you think he's being genuine in his hate? Like, he's really this raped?
>>4132561>>Fox's sequel to Undertale, is pretty explicit in its moral messaging that it's okay to fight back against a violent oppressoKING WAS HANDLED WEIRDLY BECAUSE IT ISN'T MEANT TO REFLECT ON DELTARUNE OR WHATEVER, ITS SUPPOSED TO BE A ANTIFA PLOT POINTI THROW MY HANDS UP
I always found it funny how most of you hate the game yet stay here all day.
>>4132564Either the schizo lolcow is entirely sincere, or it's an immaculate LARP from a slightly less deranged lolcow, like when PreciousLeaf was revealed to be Mariotehplumber.
>>4132566you're only realizing that now??
>>4132561Yeah, this is a politically motivated interview about an imaginary version of Undertale where genocide isn't real. I don't trust the writer because they are clearly pushing their own view of the game.
>>4132567yet you seem the most affected. /vg/ must be more to your taste.
>>4132572Affected about what?
>>4132562>haven't you learned anything in 10 yearsIs the same thing as>sorry you can't just kill these people to make them go away
>>4132574Nice headcanon bro, but please remember the context is that Frisk JUST came off of True Pacifist. The game is literally admonishing you for forcing True Pacifist Frisk to kill people.
>>4132572I'm here because I like seeing convs about the game, duh.
>>4132575Then why is that message reserved specifically for aberrant, the representative of fans saying stupid shit about Undertale and Toby?
>>4132576Then you should be fine with seeing all sorts of opposing views interact, right?
>>4132566King was handled as he was because Toby subscribes to the Japanese writing school of thought where bonding after a murder attempt on false pretenses is totally normal.
>>4132567i don't, i just throw my two cents then go about my day
>>4132577It isn't. The message is reserved for you, when you kill both Abberant and Mr. Sunshine.When you kill only one or the other, you get different text.
>>4132578Sure! I still find the concept of anon torturing themself funny.
>>4132581>>4132581>Magus in CT>Psaro in DQ4>King in DRTruly the next Horii, Dragon Quest can't wait long enough
>>4132583I'm assuming since you didn't post the quotes yourself they're not flattering to your argument.
>>4132567Anon, just go to originaltrilogy.com and see how those nerds have been pissed off for DECADES.It's just how things have always been.
>>4132587Fine, you insistent cunt.>kill both>"Haven't you learned anything over 10 years?">kill Sunshine, spare Abberant>"I guess you were the real aberrant.">kill Abberant, spare Sunshine>"Do you want to be Mrs. Sunshine?"
>>4132587it's easy to check but ok, i'll post it for them
>>4132586Every Touhou antagonist since the turn of the millennium. Except Junko I think.
>>4132589>Do you want to be Mrs. Sunshine?HOLY SHIT FEMFRISK CONFIRMED SOUND THE ALARM
>>4132584>anon thinks I am a tortured individualI'm not CoL but it's really not that deep.This game is representative of everything wrong with modern media and it's fun dissecting it around.
>>4132589Only one can be read as "chiding", the other two are jokes even though you still killed muh NPCs.Also>Mrs. SunshineFemale Frisk truthers...?
>>4132590
>>4132593This game is representative of questions all media should be asking and most media is asking very poorly because its writers are dumb.
>>4132592he already soft confirmed it earlier in the streamlast year was total femhuman victorych5, as divisive as it is, was a victory lap for us specifically
>>4132592>>4132594And people thought that the "girls kissing girls" tutorial could be played out by a boy...
>>4132599>Chapter with the worst writing confirms female krisMy gears are starting to spin up
>>4132590>are you a bad person?>you are a le bad person aren't you??>did i not tell you you were a bad person enough??>ahahah only a retard like you would need to be told that for 10 years
>>4132599you shitpost, but the second I saw aqua I couldn't believe how hard the humanfag had won
Kris is a boy because he's my vessel and thus an extension of my being. Simple as.Kris is a girl if the player is female.
>>4132602>two other outcomes that still involve killing the NPCs have just plain jokes afterward
>>4132604But Kris is not you. Chapter 1 explicitly laid this out, and every single action Kris has taken independent of you has only continued to hammer in this point.
>>4132603>humanfagIs he actually hyping up all the "humans" or just the loli?
>>4132598No it's not. Do you want every show you're engaging with to be lecturing you about morals? What are you, five?
>>4132607he was just a lolicon but he was a frequent poster on v
>>4132589>>4132594this implies that abberant is married to mr sunshine lol
>>4132606It's the equivalent of a body spasming after getting its head cut off. Remnants of will.See how cowed and obedient they are in the latest chapter.
>>4132599>ch5, as divisive as it is, was a victory lap for us specifically??? Wait, explain. Are you saying that for Aqua being Asgore's version of a mini-Kris, or am I totally missing something here?
>>4132567I hate Deltarune but I love the Survey Program.Such is my tragedy.
>>4132611So cowed and obedient Kris can't open a closetOr think about someone without thinking about someone elseOr look at a photo albumOr let you walk left without saying "FUCK YOUI UNNECESSARY FILLER DARK WORLD TIME"
>>4132608Every show has morals whether they "lecture" me or not, anon. Undertale isn't about how entertainment depicting immoral things is itself immoral.
>>4132425Don't you pretend Bloody Nicholas was a saint just because he got. He could not rule his country, and as a result he lost his life along with the dynasty.
>>4132604femrkris is a rejection of self inserting>but what if the player is a girl?girls don't exist on the internet
>assuming I'm poopshitschizo because I felt like mentioning him
>>4132605tbf, the killing abberant and sparing mr sunshine implies that you have specific reasons for sparing certain characters over others so maybe that's why toby doesnt moralfag you over those? in mr sunshine's case, you wanting to be mrs sunshine?
>>4132614>can't open a closetBecause I'm not gay.>Or think about someone without thinking about someone elseBecause I have ADHD.>Or look at a photo albumBecause the game don't have CG and if I can't look at it, no one does.>Or let you walk left without saying "FUCK YOUI UNNECESSARY FILLER DARK WORLD TIME"Because I'm here to have fun playing MANTLE, climbing to Miss Mizzles and seeking Pink Coins. Papyrus should be grateful I'm indulging the truce Kris made beforehand.
>>4132499Side B's point is that trying to mold the game to your own liking is bad.
>>4132620If Toby wanted to moralfag over killing NPCs he'd just do that, wouldn't he? Having reasons is still killing.
>>4132623Thta's the dumbest point ever
>>4132550i mean, its very weird to say 'thrash your dates ass' in a kids game
>>4132622Gaster's strongest soldier. You shall have the Prophecy's strongest soldier's hand in marriage.
>>4132515We're all #raped here
>>4132622>Because I'm here to have fun playingevil CoL be like
>>4132625Yeah, but this is the "No one can choose who they are in this world. Your choices don't matter. There's only one ending." game.
>>4132630The game didn't imply any of those were good things.
Does it really matter if under all those clothes Kris is a super hot emo tomboy with an apple-scented vagina? We all know that Kris is going to die and none of our ships will come to fruition.
>>4132589I might be getting another psychosis but these comments sound kinda like the thank you survey voice
>>4132528>has vacating>complaining about indians Ironic.
>>4132632>we all know that kris is going to dienoshe has (me) to protect her
>>4132633Chara ERAM stocks on the rise, buy fast
>>4132623>having fun on your own way is bad you should bend the knee and take the shit blast straight ontoby can go fuck himself, i bet he'd have a spasm if he looked at modding communities
>>4132638There's no way that's the actual point. Toby likes fan content.
>>4132623Toby is such a good movie writer. He captures coercion over the MC like no other... What do you mean it's a video game?
>>4132639He does, but his fandom doesn't, because everyone's ashamed of the past 10 years of big tiddy FemFrisk and FemChara lusting over Sans's blue ectoplasm cock.
>>4132628exactly, #metoo
>>4132623Then he can get fucked. He's a cockroach who came to Japan with bad intentions from the start. I don't want him anywhere near Dragon Quest, his ideology is a cancer.
>>4132631it has now, it created a filler dark world after watching the worst scene in the game, this games hates its player in every way
>>4132628Even me?
>>4132639he likes fan content and romhacks since they offer new experiences but he doesnt like people altering the original experience to be better, it's shrimple, earthbound halloween hack is okay to him since its not the og earthbound but with small changes
>>4132643Dragon Quest doesn't let you mold the game to your liking. Most Japanese devs actively hate modding.>>4132644The game still didn't imply that. Get raped and gaped.
>>4132646>altering the original experience to be betterI think this is something Deltarune actually touches on, but not in the way you imply. It's more asking at what point a modification becomes its own thing versus a variation of the original.
>>4132647No storywriter ever lets you mold the story to their liking. Where Toby is wrong is he thinks there's a point to be made about this, which is where he will be going with the meta shit. There's not. It's pretentious shit.
>>4132647He doesn't care about how rigid DQ is because it's a by-the-books adventure where you get to be a hero with loyal obedient party members who do what you want and everyone sucks your dick and the big bad waits in his lair in the demon realm, politely biding his time until you arrive to kill him and save the world.
>>4132643japan itself hates modding lmao
>>4132641if he did he wouldnt take the time to spit on people who like male kris or kriselle>>4132647mind telling me why im supposed to like being stopped from doing the thing the game told me to do over the course of multiple hours making it serve as a distraction throughout the entire area? It bothers me it feels wrong to play>>4132647>Dragon Quest doesn't let you mold the game to your liking.maybe not, but it didnt shove the things i hate the most into them all at once
>>4132649No storyteller ever lets you mold the story to your liking but everyone is convinced that Deltarune specifically is denying them what they want to do. This is a contradiction. How can so many people take it personally when a story doesn't go the way they want if no story is truly in their control?
>>4132644I still think>I'm growing distant with Susie. What if I reminded her of our first adventure?is less filler than>Why is the Knight taking so much time? Tenna, bring me one thousand boards or I unplug you.
>>4132651not like this cretin, his cult would, in their own words, kill you if you said there were only two genders
>>4132648>It's more asking at what point a modification becomes its own thingimo it's when the modified story stops being recognizable from the original story, earthbound halloween hack itself is an unique story as well.
>>4132651I bet Japan will love his Earthbound romhacks then
>>4132652>being stopped from doing the thing the game told me to do over the course of multiple hoursProgress through dark worlds and seal fountains?>NO I'M SUPPOSED TO GET THE CODESNo, you're supposed to advance the story by sealing dark worlds as they come.
>>4132659are they even aware of those? or do they just turn a blind eye to them because he made undertale
>>4132650Maybe because that's what I want from a game. Its a video game, a toy, entertainment, that i used to pay for UNTIL HE CHANGED IT, and took what I like from my entertainment out of my entertainment. It is Robert F. Fox's fault.
>>4132653>How can so many people take it personally when a story doesn't go the way they want if no story is truly in their control?it's simple, you can always headcanon it away, the story is always in the people's control, thus, a reason why modding pisses japanese devs off.https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FanonDiscontinuity
>>4132653Everyone is convinced because it specifically set up the idea that "no one can choose who they are in this world, your choices don't matter, there is only one ending" and framed it in a way that it's meant to be defied, and even the characters share this belief with Ralsei literally crying that he wants there to be more than one ending.And since we came off of Undertale, the expectation is that we'll get to prove the antagonistic ideology wrong. But we're five chapters in with two to go, and so far we've had no means to choose who we are in this world, our choices haven't mattered in the macro scale because everything's being saved for unknowable payoffs in Chapter 7, and nothing we do will change the ending until the narrative that's been opposing us decides "ok jk lol you can change the ending now" on a whim.
>>4132660then dont waste time with the codes, dont make the dark world bosses some pansies then, and make the dark fountains part of the world instead of creating them right in front of you instead of being able to deal with the problem
>>4132653How can you take it personally that your dishwasher can't wash your dishes? It only cost you 1000$!How can you take it personally that your house was not constructed properly? It only took 10 years of your time!
>>4132657Well yeah, but "recognizable" is a loaded term. If the weird route were a mod, would you consider it its own thing, or not? It can't exist outside the context of the greater Deltarune but it's completely distinct in tone.
>>4132662I'm not sure Japanese people even play his game outside of v-tuber collaborations meaning people paid to pretend to enjoy it
>>4132668it's portrayed as an alternative route within deltarune's original story so if it was a mod itd still be recognizable
>>4132665Or you're not going to be able to defy the narrative in the game itself. The narrative is the game, defying the narrative requires defying the game, you can't do that when the game is what offers you all your control in the first place. The point being made is that your mind is free even if what you're playing can never be.
>>> "Kris, we hecking hacked the game! Guys... Is this "Le Freedom? Oh my prophecy! Oh my big shot!">>> Says this after doing the the preprogrammed "boundary break" that was explicitly planned and programmed into the game Is Noelle stupid?
>>4132671so it's spec ops: the line again where the message is "shouldn't have bought the game lol (but thanks for buying, it gave me money)"fucking hack fraud robert
>>4132667That implies the purpose of a story is to let me change things and I've been ripped off by every story in existence.
>>4132671don't spend ten years on that and demand people worship it. Dont sell it to children either.
>>4132672Yes. If she ever truly awakens, she'll have an exponential crisis feedback loop because she'll realize even THIS path was a predetermined one she blindly followed, and THEN realize that her own crisis is STILL a predetermined path, and it'll break her so badly that she dies on the spot.
I just wanted at least one more character like jevil and spamton
>>4132673No? You couldn't think about the characters in full without playing the game yourself and having your own firsthand experience. Playing is a necessity to achieve real freedom, but the game itself can't offer it.
>>4132674I mean a video game like this is a story with branching routes. If all routes were trash you'd be right in wanting a refund.
>>4132650Almost like there's a white leftie terrorist-supporting immigrant going around there spreading propaganda about how people shouldn't have those games anymore.
>>4132676Noelle after "breaking her strings" and becoming an error code (they were the only things holding her up)
>>4132679If I thought all the routes were trash but somehow couldn't tell at all how little I got along with the developer's style of writing by the end of the demo that's honestly impressive.>it changed right after the demo!I am playing the same game you are and I don't feel it.
>>4132680There isn't.
>>4132677Too bad, only animu girls from now on!!
>>4132683Sure there is. His name is Robert F. Fox. Here are his words.Go on, Robert, finish that sentence.>"-and because I'm tired of traditional JRPGS, I want everyone else to be tired of them too."
>>4132686That is not a natural end to that sentence.
>>4132686They already were even before Toby came along. Did you forget about the multiple infamous localization droughts of Dragon Quest?
>>4132688Robert forgot how to speak english anyway.
>>4132689That was because of the FFtard Americans. Which are probably not the majority of people in this thread, to be fair.Americans are probably over there at >>>/vg/ wondering about the gender of Tenna.>>4132686Do we have any confirmation that Tobert even played a DQ game once in his life? He might have stopped at CT and Earthbound for all we know.
>>4132689Its only Robert that had an agenda to destroy them from within. He was "tired" of traditional JRPGs because he AGREED with the monsters. Only person I know with that malice towards something I love, and its him.
>>4132692Ah, so Toby traveled back in time to make people tired of Dragon Quest to make sure DQ5 and 6 on SNES never got localized, got them tired again after DQ9 to make sure 10 and the spinoffs never got localized, etc. etc.
>>4132693nah that was dumb americans who preferred science fiction and their anime pretty boys
I don't remember this being particularly discussed, ever, but did anyone else notice the retrocausal themes in Chapter 4's dark worlds? The first one features petrified darkners from Susie's dark world, even though it's yet to be created. Same with the waterfall.
>>4132693Dragon Quest X not getting localized was criminal. There was a whole generation of tendies who were waiting for literally anything to play on the WiiU, and those would have made for great fellow DQ fans.
>>4132696>retrocausalI'm American, can you please use simpler words for me? I don't understand.
>>4132699Something in the future causes something in the past to happenE.g you pressing a button tomorrow caused a pigeon to explode yesterday
>>4132699Past events being affected by the future events.
Deltarune should be called "drag-on's quest", considering the pacing, haha. It keeps dragging on. Haha.
>>4132696With what we know so far, I don't think the dark worlds are "last thursdayist".Darkner's backstories aren't made up on the spot, they just reflected what happened to the objects in real life and what lightners had imprinted on them.All darkners in the church already existed, it just happened that the first fountain's will didn't care for some while Susie's fountain didn't care for others.
>>4132696Another detail I don't see people talking about as much as they should is the fact that even though both fountains are supposedly made by Knight, and should thus have the same will and compatibility logic, it's ONLY when the final fountain remains that all the Darkners can coexist without anyone turning to stone.There's some incredible implications there, and between what's been pointed out in prior threads with parallels from Spamton and Pink, I think that's yet more evidence that the flavor of Abnormal Dess we're looking at is a twisted fucked up fusion of clashing wills, because only someone with an inconsistent will could create two fountains back to back, and one of them ends up diluting the Dark World that it creates incompatibility that only resolves when the cleaner variant of that will is the only one that remains.
>>4132696it's just for monster cosmetics lol, because else the pacing would be heavy with all types of monsters fighting you at oncenevermind all monsters feeling like diverse individuals, that was before, now Toby is back to traditional RPG
Toby is truly a funny fellowEven after everything he said that will make CoL shid his pants in fear of the future of Dragon quest, he made like three ARG exclusive for the weird root, and for sure more to come with the 7b page
>2 weeks away from the anniversaryim so excited to get [nothing]
"buying a plushie for 1 dollar off of aliexpress" update: my FRIEND is here and he's a hard 9/10 on the quality scale.
>>4132716all the fingers get in btw
>>4132711yeah because he pulled a prank and the weird route ended with nothing, not even any battles anymore, all so he could shove his message about fighting bad and kriselle bad into my facewouldnt trust a man like that with a pigsty
>>4132382>If you really want my deep dive into the feminine symbolism of this, watch my video on transfem RalseiUh-oh, should I really watch the rest of this?
>>4132696tangential but it's funny how Gerson actually works as a chess bishop paralleldue to only moving diagonally, the bishops functionally only exist in the squares of the color they originated from, bishops from white squares can only go to other white squares and the same for black squaresthis lines up with the real gerson not being present in susie's fountain
>>4132716Didn't happen unless if you post a paper with the time and a stickman saying hi to the thread now.
>>4132716it's unofficial?looks far better than the battats they're selling
>>4132725Yup. This is why Toby doesn't want mass produced unofficial merch, because he knows they'd do better work than the hacks at Fangamer.
>>4132718kriselle is bad was already in ch3 thoughever, the point is to push them so you can become the angel and hometowncide the town
>>4132728yeah that sucks i dont want that guy near my stuff, hes bad news
>>4132716Literally why would you want a plush of this
>>4132697Tendies deserve it for buying such a retarded console
>>4132677You got Flowery.
>>4132732bees should not be burdened with explaining how honey tastes better than shit to a fly
What the fuck is that a sprite of
>>4132736Ok but bees don't buy plushes of what's basically a generic enemy but with mysterious background, otherwise I would ask the bees about that too
>>4132732>xe doesn't want his plush to bite him so you catgirl in the cumjar gets worried about you
>>4132739a mailboxhave you never seen a mailbox before?
>>4132735???
>>4132739Toby wishes he was as funny as the memes of him
>>4132742I didn't see the line under it lol
>>4132739Sprite for the next game, Unrelated will be about mail delivering
>>4132746>game becomes a hate letter to the fans
>>4132537How is it being every post ITT?
>>4132545>Kris and Noelle continuing to go through the "this isn't real" crisis can only be so much of 7B, and that's the only other thing that comes to mind.You overestimate the intelligence of the average fan, every spritesheet take is just this.
>>4132415They didn't add the quote in this pfp to this list is worthless.
>>4132552This but with Frisk, Chara and Aqua. He gave us good lolis so all his games are good.
>>4132560There's still OC on /utg/
Play Deer and Boy instead
>>4132758Yeah, but it's all goonershit or derangement like humanized nigger Tenna.
>>4132567Rape victims never forget their rapist.
>>4132557>Everybody hates the game except me and the secondariesWhat kind of argument is this?
>>4132762Are they going to turn out like Noelle and enjoy it? Trying to rape it back?
>>4132592>>4132594"Mrs. Sunshine" for Frisk is the next "I declare you cookie and wife" moment.
>>4132769And FemFrisk means FemChara, because otherwise Asriel has no reason to confuse the two for each other.
>Spamton wants Kris' soul so he can leave the Dark World and achieve freedomDoes this mean that if Maddie were to fuse her soul with Mew Mew, then she could actually retain her anime catgirl form in the Light World?
>>4132599>Chapter with the best writing confirms female krisMy wing is starting to ding up
>>4132772Probably not. Having a soul doesn't equal having a [[HeartShapedObject]], and Spamton was after the latter.Maddie is a normal Lightner.
>>4132772No, because Maddie's soul is normal. Kris's soul is special because it has (You), the ultimate participant in the game.
>>4132772That would be a very weird process of Maddie killing herself, having her monster soul persist (we don't really know how this works in DR), then the Mew Mew darkner taking the soul to escape the dark world.
>>4132773>Chapter with the best writing confirms female krisI thought /v/ hated it because infinite reasons like Suselle cuckplay, Flowery being obnoxious, filler Dark World, no Woodie, no Asgore battle, Knight being a cutscene again, and the plot not advancing?
>>4132774And that's assuming the fusion doesn't become an abomination like Asriel-Chara or Omega Flowey, though yet again we don't know how much "darkner with lightner soul" fusions are comparad to "monster with human soul" (which is entirely different from "human with (boss) monster soul")
>>4132607That was just a term that ended up referring to anyone who preferred the humans in the series, especially as girls, not just a guy.
>>4132777ignore the pedo schizo, he isn't our representative
>>4132777Its just a poor attempt to parody >>4132601
why does the ghost get to talk in full sentences in the game
>>4132783Because Pink's not a You + Kris parallel, she's a Frisk + Chara and Knight parallel.
>>4132636ERAM will end up being a "demon" like her and finally explain what those are.
>>4132639Toby does like fan content but he probably doesn't like the idea of twisting and breaking a game to be what you want. He likes you to IMAGINE, not destroy.
>>4132662I never seen them discuss it, so no. I don't think they know Homestuck either.
>>4132788>"you can look but you can touch"truly tobian
>>4132783It's meant to show Maddie finally stopped being retarded after transitioning~ it's a message of love and finding yourself
>>4132696Those objects simply didn't fit with the will of the first fountain and thus got petrified. No retrocasual stuff in that.
>>4132716Kinda nice I guess.
>>4132761I mean, it's still OC done in a consistent manner.
>>4132768Noelle was never the raped, THOUGH.
>>4132777>He has never heard of opposite postingNo woody is good, too.>>4132781RAPED by Chapter 5 and Aqua
>people here unironically are seething at the meat factory fan conceptYou guys are just contrarian about everything.
>>4132795Gaster is real confirmed.
>>4132801we have the one fucker who LOVED the mikes because they dunked on "the worst part of the fandom"if you wanna discuss OC go to the fangames thread, we like this sort of stuff there
>>4132800>RAPED by Chapter 5 and AquaI like how it's Aqua and not Lancer.
>>4132795this is too masonic to be a coincidence
>>4132803One is canon dunking on headcanon, the other is speculahslop that'll probably get deboonked in the same fashion. Not the same thing at all schizo.
>>4132801Those "people" are the types to riot if 7B doesn't immediately open with Kris and Noelle used up dead on the ground as the Vessel dabs on their corpses and flashes you her tits
>>4132800I like Aqua she's of course the best part of 5 but you have to have a serious tunnel-visioned bias to think it makes the rest of 5's writing good
>>4132808>Kris and Noelle used up dead on the grounddue to overexhaustion from SEX
>>4132801The people here desperately want hype moments and aura from everyone unlocking their true power and DETERMINATION to stand against the terrible Vessel who's committing the Hometown Massacre, not 30 minutes of existential crisis.
>>4132803That place hates literally any OC that isn't HMOFAslop lmao
>>4132812I would not be remotely surprised if those people were also the ones that loved all of those Sans AUslop from the Undertale days a decade ago.
>>4132813>doesn't know a thing about the place he is complaining about
>>4132813Not like canon and outside fanslop is any better with all the dykeslop
>>4132801Yes, I don't like it. Maybe I'm being contrarian but the concept is just bad. I also heard the same whining when I hated Woodyshit and then I got completely vindicated over it.
>>4132816Post literally any fan content outside of that and you will get these comments >>4132813
>>4132819Oops, second quote is supposed to be>>4132815
>>4132819people post male ocs and scrimblo ocs all the time there
>>4132818People took the Woodyshit seriously and thought it'll happen. I haven't seen anyone suggesting the Meat Factory concept would actually happen given how Toby always does things out of the left field.
>>4132808>>4132812I'm a Hometown Massacre believer but that's not the reason I disliked the spritesheet idea personally. I just think it's too on the nose, not how Toby does meta and doesn't add anything outside of shock value. There's a reason none of the concepts about it try telling a story.
>>4132812The mainstream fandom is gonna be absolutely broken if 7b never gets a "undying" moment with a character stepping up as a hero, and it's getting increasingly more likely that will be the case.>>4132818Nigga we got Yellow being a major part of chapter 5, they won.
>>4132821>There's fags there too!Doesn't change my point
>>4132825>there is only hmofa!>no, the gays don't change that!
>> good-natured kid who got dragged into an insane plan he was too young to fully understand the ramifications of, got ripped from his body and placed into a flower, then spent the next hundreds of years becoming embittered to the people he once died for the sake of as a hollow, soulless shell pathologically incapable of feeling love while missing his childhood friend the whole time When you're a kid, you think sans is the greatest Undertale character. When you grow up, you realize it was flowey. Why was Toby's writing so raw? Meanwhile we look at deltarune chapter 5, with fucking ralsei holding back against mr apocalypse whole screaming in our ear about the same shit he's doing, only to go ape-shit pulling his cock out over a 40 damage projectile, asgore vagueposting like his life depends on it, and whatever happened there with susies date, truly disgusting. deltarune has fallen. trillions must overwrite their pacifist saves with weird route to teach that fuck Kris a lesson
>>4132753>the quote in this pfpHeh
>>4132822People DO treat that concept seriously, that's why we're having this conversation, because someone is mad people dislike it.>>4132824I told woodyshitters the yellow flower was the only cowboy representation they would get and they disliked that. I'm not accepting revisionism here
>>4132827papyrus is the greatest UT character
>>4132818If you don't like it, name a better interpretation of a meat factory in Deltarune.
>Knight uses Asriel's attack>Which is based on >While making Mettaton's pose>Random bat + horn implying its DessAdmit it. Knight isn't a "mystery", its outright theorybait.
>>4132826HMOMA is just HMOFA for fags
>>4132829>the only cowboy representationwe also got the western minigame in 3>revisionism looks like you weren't aware of neo woody theory
>>4132827i didn't play the series but it's probably just some shit he copied from mother
>gay sex is just straight sex for gaysthe sort of wisdom we get in this thread
>>4132832The Knight is just Tobi again I've already said it
>>4132833fags prefer furry on furry anyway
>>4132831The original interpretation of it being the GonerMaker or a place like it was much better.
>>4132774Nothing about Maddie is normal
>>4132838That place specifically loves interspecies fetish.
>>4132777Only midwits hate Flowery, retards and geniuses love him.
we became /utg/ except we're heterossexual and we don't make artwork or any other meaningful content
>>4132801>"my family.... my dear sister I lost.. we're all SPRITES in a VIDEOGAME? AAIIIIEEEEEE I'M GOING INSANE"There's no variation it's just a fanfic-wrapped emotional moment
>>4132844/utg/ makes meaningful content??
>>4132844Theories are more meaningful than cuck vore webms
>>4132844>heterosexual male chuds cannot create anythingWow it's crazy how things just get confirmed like that
>>4132846Dess will be acting like she has it bad while some of us will get sent to war and we don't have spare bodies
What did we learn from the last thread?
>>4132753>Toby was a Ranfag and also a lolifagTime really makes everything worse.
>>4132801this is the community that had an orgasm over getting 3 entire chapters of cutscenes only for the weird routewe celebrate mediocrity here
>>4132849they create babies which is more than any of you guys can claim.your dad was a heterosexual male chud and look at where you are now
>>4132836Refute that without sounding mad.
Femkrisfags would be better if they actually posted good artHell, have a freebie, fag
>>4132852we learned to appreciate kitty milkers
>>4132852Kris is female and a bislutSusie is stupid and a lesbianNoelle is cute and a lesbian
At least Deltarune isn't as complete garbage as Dragon Quarter, now that was a bad game.
>>4132855My dad is also the most boring person I know
>>4132844>avatarfag saying thisReally, bro? You could at least attach a different image in order to not look like you're throwing stones from a glass house
>>4132856nobody will refute that I mean who would want to fuck with a woman?
>>4132834I was aware of neo woody, that was explicitly about Asgore’s canceled TV show protagonist being the boss, not the yellow flower
>>4132863but the whole point of my post was to break my glass house
>>4132864Women like men, they're as gay as it gets
>>4132852That my thread was a pretty big success.
firegrave was cheesy as fuck but at least we would have got actual alternate boss battles out of that
>>4132862well im waiting on your big life changing creation, anytime soon now
>>4132869>I want the normal chapter to be smaller
>>4132753im pretty sure contributing by adding quotes to the page is possible
>>4132871that's exactly what we got for 5 except it didn't had a single battle
>>4132849trueee, we should also use our menstrual blood
>>4132869given the state deltarune is at, firegrave wouldve been a blessing compared to what it's doing
post mewers
>>4132875the average fan made take from the chapter 2 era would have been better than what we got
>>4132877You say that like Tenna didn't immediately kill all the fan Tenna/Mikes
>>4132612NTA but I assume that's the case. Aqua is a girl and child Kris, thus Kris is a girl I guess
https://x.com/MrGalaxia9/status/2111490365601497138 to cheer you guys up a bit, here's an animation of noelle literally raping kris as you mash proceed, also, non-zero chance that the vid might get deleted so make sure to archive it too
>>4132879Kris was born female but as they got older they were questioning their gender as early as the King and Queen of the festival talk
>>4132869>>4132876Firegrave but we manipulate Mew love for Kris to throw bombs and inferno of jealous'd everything
>>4132878>canonical character with actual content people can play/listen overshadowed random fan made OCswow no shit sherlock
>>4132876
>>4132882maddie would be retarded enough to go along with this and you wouldn't even need mind control powers
I never got the appeal of firegraveKris tells toriel to incinerate the darkner alive, toriel says something like "aw that's nice sweeties", the player has to prompt Kris to glare at toriel with conquerors haki and call her a disobedient foid who must be punished, then toriel gets mad and starts a 20 minute mandatory lecture cutscene during which Kris starts crying, cut to credits that was peak guys can't wait for chapter 4
>>4132880>gets baited into watching spritesheetslopFUUUUUUCK
>>4132888its literally just the first few seconds of the animation, just skip forward a bit and youll see the goodies
>>4132887I'm not saying firegrave is good, always felt it was bottom of the barrel speculation. I'm just saying the actual weird route is profoundly underwhelming compared to fan works, regardless of the interesting concepts sprinkled across it.
>>4132890I agree the weird route is underwhelming but I've never seen a fan work that exceeds the weird route. Maybe Overswung but the concept is so different it's hardly weird route.
>>4132876It's sad she's stuck inside the body of the actual Mew since her version is way hotter
>>4132891I know I said "fan works" but I'm just talking about speculation in general.We could have had Gerson call the player out in the weird route (like how he does in UT), we could have had Asgore realize something was wrong and fight Kris, or ERAM doing something more meaningful than just mocking Kris, or Noelle showing up in the dark world again and freezing more darkners, and so on.
>>4132887thats because you dont understand the actual ideas people had on a firegrave, it wasnt just saying proceed again, it was simply getting hurt and making yourself appear weak by choosing certain ACTs and choosing non-evil options so that toriel would kill the darkners in an attempt to defend you, essentially the appeal being taking on different forms of manipulation to get other lightners to kill for you, where noelle's case was exploiting her inability to say no at the time to the extreme, and toriel's case was exploiting her overprotective tendencies (as seen in undertale and how the ruins monsters feared toriel) to the extreme.
>>4132892agreedher thick eyebrows add so much personality
>>4132895Fucking kek, all you people really want is just Undertale again. JUST GO PLAY UNDERTALE.
>>4132844>>4132849Stupid chuds cant make art out of period blood and hair like /utg/ does, how awful...
>>4132900She actually has personality, Mew Mew looks like the blank figurine that she is which if nothing else made her a good template for Maddie.
>>4132890Much like the whole rest of the game, everything is only underwhelming because Toby is backloading EVERYTHING of value into the final chapter, just like his dearest Mother 3.
>>4132902You laugh but /utg/ has an actual definable culture. What do you guys have? Basic bitch /v/ tier shitposts and a basic bitch /v/ tier schizo? You're just leftovers.
>>4132904At this point I'm wondering what's even the point of Chapter 6. Might as well skip that and wait for 7 and ask Grok what was the one thing 6 elaborated upon
>>4132901>release new demo>demo has UT gameplay>demo has UT writing>demo has UT aesthetics>demo's story is intrinsically connected to a big secret from UT >author calls it "a game for people who played Undertale">"WAAAAH!!!!! WHY DO YOU WANT THE GAME TO JUST BE MORE UNDERTALE?????"
>>4132887It was ch2 era mentality, if you can manipulate Noelle, then you can manipulate anyone else! People didn't sum 2+2 that WR only works because the trust and connection Noelle had with Kris, any other character doesn't really workThe same happened with people expecting Catti and Berdly to be more relevant thanks to NoelleIT'S ALL NOELLE'S FAULT, SNEEDGRAVE AND HER RELEVANCY GAVE PEOPLE FALSE HOPEBut it's your fault for not trusting Gaster list
>>4132906What I'm actually wondering is why the fuck make 6 a solo release if it is going to be so short a lean.Could have given a longer break and waited to release 5+6 so people wouldn't bitch as hard about 5 introducing nothing, or just wait to release it with 7 and 7b.My only guess is that>people expecting weird route content would be even more pissed with a 5+6 release giving them absolutely nothing>some people would just skip straight to 7b without going through 6 first if they released together and Toby doesn't want that to be the experience
>>4132907Yup, deranged chapter1fag mentality
>>4132880>Watch the full video>Spritesheetslop was actually Vessel Hometown Massacre medias in disguisedHeck yeah!https://youtu.be/gsosm7ftzB0
>>4132908>But it's your fault for not trusting Gaster listI trusted the fucking list, I just didn't think she was never going to return to the party in the middle game.
>>4132901Toby also wants us to just play Undertale again
>>4132907The game being an extension of UT is not the same as what you want, you want literally UT but with a new coat of paint.
>>4132905CoL is also an /utg/ schizo
>>4132909Chapter 6 will be>shorter>no Weird Route>focuses on just one thingLike, what is its purpose? Why make it sound like it's going to be this underwhelming? Then don't make it a Chapter 6 and just incorporate it in 7 or something
>>4132909Because this is no longer being treated as a game, it is an experience for the creator's ego. He releases the game in parts to get fan engagement and draw things out as long as possible because DR is the event of his life at this point.
>>4132912Duh, because ch6 ending is actually the middle game, ch7 is around ~4 chapter long
>>4132901>JUST GO PLAY UNDERTALEI played it! Tens of times! In multiple ways and conditions! I already read and burned all those books there, I got bored but I'm still not satisfied. I want more bosses, more new characters, more new tracks.Undertale is a very short game, made with low budget mostly by one guy in Hussie's basement who is a bad programmer, and it never reached the full potential of it's concepts.Deltarune was our ONE chance at getting "Undertale but longer and better and with an actual dev team" and it was wasted.And it's not like I can just play other games, these are two of a kind games with very specific characteristics that no one will ever attempt to replicate outside of fangames with no budget.
>>4132905At least we don't have Anons posting their cocks in the thread
>>4132916He only wants you to play it so you can feel subverted by the sequel
>>4132922Then ask ChatGPT to make more Undertale for you or something if you want repetition
Meat factory spritesheet theory But it's us seeing photos full of hope before Toby raped us
>>4132922*three of a kind:^]
>>4132905RAPE IS OUR CULTURE
>>4132921>https://deltarune.com/update-092021/>We gained a lot of experience working on this chapter. I believe it's the biggest chapter in the entire game in many ways. The cutscene count is the largest, the story involves many characters, and there are many other aspects that made it a challenging chapter. For next time, I think if we can expand the team a little more, then things will really kick off... maybe.And yes, he did say later>https://toby.fangamer.com/newsletters/summer24/>I'm not sure if Chapter 2 is still the longest chapter, but Chapter 3 & 4 together are definitely longer than Chapter 1 & 2 combined. Thinking about that is kind of crazy…And he also had "lied" about Asgore being the final boss in the game for his kickstart supporters, but don't expect 7 or 7b to be particularly large.
>>4132925>vibecodingI wanna puke>>4132927I love yellow, but being a fangame limits it's nature in many ways.
>>4132927Homestuck?>>4132933Yellow isn't worth of being lumped with the main games anyways.
>>4132938yeah, unlike deltarune it actually lives up to UT expectations
Crying about too much meta in Deltarune a.k.a. a game created by the same author of "the story revolves around SAVE files" Undertale a.k.a. "fucks with you directly in the menu" Undertale is like a vegan crying about too much meat at the butchery.
>>4132947I met Undertale through memes and I got interested by its comedy, not the SAVe bullshit that is mostly concentrated on the end of the game.I knew Deltarune was going to delve into the same shit after Queen's monologue about escapism, I just didn't expect it to be as early as chapter 3 out of 7 after Undertale mostly backloaded the stuff.
>>4132948>I just didn't expect it to be as early as chapter 3 out of 7 after Undertale mostly backloaded the stuff.The meta shit was there since Chapter 2, which chances are very likely you praised to high heavens despite it also being a flawed chapter. Arguably even Chapter 1 if you count Ralsei and the soul-ripping ending.
>>4132839>generic grimdark horror shitzzz
>>4132947I've already decided Deltarune is the last Tobysoft game I'll care about because I don't want more meta bullshitery
>>4132949Yeah but both of those also had a strong side cast of original characters and normal boss battles and shit.
>>4132949>Arguably even Chapter 1 if you count Ralsei and the soul-ripping ending.Ch.1 also had "Gaster", Gonermaker, the Kris save file, the "Gaster" save slots UI that gets replaced after clearing Ch.1, Sans's observation to your dialogue choices, etc. Not to mention all of the recycled Undertale characters.Only retards come to Deltarune complaining about meta.
>>4132919To give even more Suselle fluff before shit hits the fan and Susie has to stop obsessing over Noelle to focus on the fact Kris is a FUCKING TRAITOR.
>>4132954Anon I'm complaining that Deltarune had things BESIDES the meta shit that it just gave up on having the second I paid 25 dollars for the game.
>>4132957>that it just gave up on having the second I paid 25 dollars for the game.You could have just not given the 25 dollars when you find out it doesn't have the thing you want. It's not like other people can't tell you what's happening in Chapter 3 and 4.
>>4132960I paid it because I wanted to be 100% blind (unlike how I had been spoiled for UT and chapter 2 which made my experience far less interesting).The only person I talked about it before playing had a positive opinion so how the hell could I know it wasn't going to feature a SINGLE thing I was expecting out off the game.
>>4132961Pirating is also an option y'know
>>4132963Anon, I didn't expect the game to be THIS much disappointing.I don't normally pirate indie games. Something like chapter 5 was like the worst I was expecting out of the new chapters.
>>4132964You have enough control. At this point, all you have to blame is yourself.
>>4132966Well, to be fair I do blame myself for not noticing the signs of what was to come after chapter 1.I'm like the fags who thought The Phantom Menace was going to be good after Return of the Jedi being the way it is.
>>4132941#Raped
>>4132950... but enough about the spritesheet interpretation
>>4132853>was ... a lolifag>implying he isn't anymore
>>4132975He revealed his hand since 2015
>>4132975waow
>>4132975i'm afraid to say he has an adult woman fetish now
>>4132415This page needs "tl;dr eat shit, faggots"
i dont know what mental illness keeps me here
>>4132978They're not mutually exclusive.
>>4132980much like how toby is bound to THAT DREAM, we are bound to deltarune ruin has come to our threads
>>4132925Chat gpt cannot even remember names. What are you talking about
>>4132982we are wracked with a perverted sentimentality
I love Deltarune now
Post your kriselle folders
>>4132989I don't have it organized + you're just trying to soft dox people here with the images and filenames
>>4132592>>4132599>>4132769I've just now realize that this is also recent evidence of Toby not obsessing over his characters' ages like his cancerous fanbase does.
>>4132991xitter and reddit have a nasty habit of purity spiraling, yes
>>4132987I kneel...
>>4132989I-I'm shy... but mine is 655MB has 1082 pics. I started playing Deltarune this year btw
>>4132989I only save art of Kriselle if Noelle is a loli in it.
>>4132989i don't have a dedicated kriselle folderbut my femkris folder is a measly 153mb despite saving every femkris i come across
>>4132993Odd considering how they think it's normal to castrate boys if they play with dolls
>>4132998to them, the purity is ideological the more fanatic you are, the more pure you arethey're all watching each other like hawks, waiting for someone to slip up so they can devour thema very common practice in leftist circles rightoids just call each other faggots until one of them fucks off
>>4132929*RAPED
any angry anons who want to talk about the little things from 3-4-5 they actually loved?for me it's shuttah
>>4132999Can't wait for Toby to slip up
>>4133002toby has mostly detached himself, his persona is not the man himselfit's also one of the reasons why he fucked off to japan and only interacts with his nip fanbase
>>4133002He already did with the weird route flower thing. Also, his cancer fanbase initially tried to start shit with the introduction of eww a loli Aqua but they got overwhelmed into silence.
>>4133003Yeah the man himself just supports terroristsOh wait the personality does it too
>>4132891>but I've never seen a fan work that exceeds the weird routeI found this one to be better than the canon version's lake scenehttps://youtu.be/XBnGGdsfjpg>it's shitYea, so was the lake scene and the actual chapter 5 in general.
>>4133006it's shit
>>4132891You mean the weird route where ch3 and ch4 and ch5 have almost nothing
>>4133008wow! i can't believe it's canon compliant!
>>4133009yes it's exactly what he meansbecause we celebrate mediocrity as long as we can write some paragraphs about "themes and such" from it
Favorite orange moment?
>>4133013every single time she takes a piss out of ralseigod, that and flowery doing the same was satisfying
The thing is, I really like Deltarune. But it has this major issue that objectively drags down the experience where it isn't exactly like Undertale's Genocide route and it isn't exactly like Final Fantasy V and it didn't make all my dreams come true and Toby shoved his red rocket into my boyhole without lube and I spent all of Deltarune expecting hype aura but it was mostly memes but I still expect every next chapter to be hype aura. If he could just fix that about the game then we'd be looking at a game that's almost as good as the game he was inspired by in the first place, Undertale Yellow.
>>4133004>pedos bullying lefties on twitter over the Aqua controversy This is not the win for the DR community that you imagined it to be.
>>4133013If Orange wasn't a mouse, would she be a little girl too?
>>4133019Sounds like you got filtered tranny lol go back
>>4133013My favorite Orange moments are anti-Orange rather than pro-Orange
>>4133020Imagine fucking Aqua then when you're done she gets up and transforms back into a Netskie and leaves
Deltarune is stalling and it sucks. The players defend it and it sucks, they want the whole game to be like that.
>>4133023A Netskie is the perfect companion to let out all of your desires with none of the guilt.
>>4133025>guiltAqua is older than Asriel
>"asgores dream">Kris made fountain Retards
>>4133030fenekinfox warned people of rewrites that leave inconsistencies as artifacts
>>4133028I'm talking about rape, not the appearance-of-consent.
Getting stamped and stomped by netskies
>>4133030>>4133031It is kinda weird that Flowery is suspicious of the guy who made his beloved fountain.
>>4132844>we're heterossexualspeak for yourself
>>4133025Thank goodness it was only an animal and not a real flower.
>>4133032can't rape the willing
how berdly is handled in the chapter 4 weird route is dumb. Like a student at school just happens to bring another student who is comatose to the hospital and nobody questions it? The person at the front desk just says "thanks for doing that" and that's it? berdlys parents don't want to question kris to find out what happened? They don't want to question noelle, who grouped up with berdly for the project and went to the library with him?
>>4133039Netskies aren't even real animals. They're just wooden onaholes.
>>4133041I'm disappointed that Berdly's mom was a no-show in Chapter 5.
>>4133041toby cleared up any potential plotholes by having noelle say that nobody give a shit about anything not on their set path in ch5burghly is in the hospital? not my problem
>>4133041The person who brought him in is literally the last person anyone in town would suspect.
>>4133041The police would investigate what happened to Berdly, but, well, y'know...
>>4133041>nobody questions it?this can be applied to like a hundred different things in the storyundertale characters were silly, but deltarune feels like it is being written by an alien who doesn't really understand how people think
>chapter 1: susie abandons kris to hang with lancer>chapter 2: susie abandons kris to hang with ralsei>chapter 3: susie abandons kris to talk to tenna>chapter 4: susie abandons kris to talk to gerson>chapter 5: susie abandons kris to hang out with flowery>chapter 6: susie abandons kris for doe pussy>chapter 7: susie gets abandoned as kris, noelle and berdly go to college>chapter 7B: susie dies off screen (best timeline)
>>4133047>The police would investigateNever in the history of anything has this ever been the case
>>4133050>chapter every past thread: you self insert as Kris and victimize yourself as much as humanly possible >chapter this thread: you self insert as Kris and victimize yourself as much as humanly possible
>>4133055i self insert as milklooker
>>4133055If you dont self insert, there is no adventure to enjoy
>chapter 1: I'm self inserting into Clover>chapter 2: I'm self inserting into Tasque Manager and Queen>chapter 3: I'm self inserting into Elnina>chapter 4: I'm self inserting into Miss Mizzle>chapter 5: I'm self inserting into Aqua, Orange, Seth and Pink
>>4133061Ralsei...
>>4133059Yes there is, just don't be a faggot who lacks the self awareness to believe the adventure is something contained within the story. It happens in your mind as you engage with the story whether or not you self insert if you're doing it right.
>chapter 5: I'm inserting myself into Aqua>chapter 1: I've inserting myself into the Aqua flower>chapter 2-4: I've modded Aqua into the chapter and inserted myself into her
>>4133041Bro nobody even notices a 10 foot tall magical knight monster floating through town.
>>4133065It doesn't look like that in the light world. It might not look exactly right and normal but it doesn't look like that.
>>4133063But it's an adventure game. A role-playing game. You can't just tell people not to roleplay in a role-playing gameI wanna be the hero in the turn based role playing game, you can't tell me how to enjoy my game you're trying to ruin it
Anyone else think the recurring theme of Kris being unable to do magic is really dumb? Because we aren't given enough context to give it any sort of meaning.
>>4133066Source: your ass? We know it still has super strength and super speed in the light world.
>>4133069Does it? Didn't seem like it when I visited it in the hospital.
>>4133070I'm not joking when I say I have no idea how the Aqua porn scene took off so hard. She was just kind of annoying and I hated her omega attack plus the "uuu" thing was overdone, I don't get what horndogs saw in her. There are way hotter characters in the game.
>>4133073every word of what you said is shit taste of the lowest grade
>>4133073>There are way hotter characters in the game.Not everyone is into homosexuality fagbro.
>>4133077I didn't realize those were the only two characters in the game but I should have been tipped off by the 4 chapter-long blank screen these past 8 or so years
The Malfoid trend and this Deltaswap AUslop made me realize that turning a fag into a cute girl significantly improves everythinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM6xHrINeL4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRlTOUn4U8I
>>4133071The knight carried Asgore and Undyne into the shelter, retard.
i want to suck ralseis cock
>>4133041Everyone is literally braindead retarded, no one questioned or even acknowledged the improbable traffic jam caused by a small white dog from Chapter 2 that had most hustle and bustle than the festival, the literal biggest event of the year.
>>4133073First official confirmed loli in the Undertale/Deltarune series.
>>4133085And this is the game people worship? Why can't you make the chara ters not retards if you expect me to take any of this seriously
>>4133087Because if characters were smart, the story would have to progress and reveal Kris's treachery and the details of THAT DAY before Chapter 7.
>SpookyDude releases video on Kriss=Patience>says it's dumb because it has no point, shills an unrelated theory insteadDamn. If only there was a theory perfectly explaining what Kris originally was. Oh well....
>>4133089They couldn't just release chapter 7? Why can't the story just progress? Why does Robert hate making progress.
>>4133096>They couldn't just release chapter 7 [instantly]?No. Work takes time.>but the story isn't progressingToo bad.
>>4133097Then I'll just go back to the games I like, where progress is actually made
Support a real dev
>>4133082Leave it to you guys to miss a simple joke
>>4133102Awww, he finally replaced Austin "white guilt" Jorgensen in his comparison.
>>4133085Sure but what about the characters?
>>4133097>Work takes time.Not when I can just run Deltarune through Opus and tell it to make 2 more chapters with no mistakes
jewish man leaks deltarunehttps://x.com/IsraeliFlowery/status/2110780344677118114
>>4133102>JewishIsraeli flowery is a jew, Toby wants to kill him
>>4133106Show me
>>4133104the downfall of austin jorgensen should be recognized. was lisa the painful just a fluke or did becoming a woketard sink any hope that joyful had? possibly a combination of both things.
>>4133110Joyful was fucked because it was always going to be an obligation rather than passion due to being a Kickstarter milestone bonus, but it's a miracle we got the whole Brad sequence anyway.Austin didn't truly fall from grace until his dad died, then he completely broke and went into a depressive spiral that he'll never truly recover from, even if he did manage to create New Kino with Painful Definitive Edition's secret Marty boss.
>>4133111wasn't this the same thing that happened to hussie?
>>4133109I'm not going to. I want Toby to know, to FEEL that I could make him obsolete at any point in time. Over the next ten years that it takes him to make the three last chapters he will feel the undercurrent of dread of my inescapable presence, understanding that I always have my finger on the trigger. Then the day before 7/B drops, I'll generate the rest of Heartbound and dab bigly on Blizzard's top talent.
>>4133113>Then the day before 7/B dropsIf you're going to bother doing that, you can troll some troons and pretend it's an early leak.
>>4133073I can't understand people who come to the Papyrus franchise and get upset when there are Papyrus-like characters
>>4133111>Austin didn't truly fall from grace until his dad died, then he completely broke and went into a depressive spiral that he'll never truly recover fromwasn't fully aware of the timeline ty anon. shame how it all unfolded, im not looking forward to ninja tears (or expecting it to ever release). at least the lisa fangame community is still chugging along.
>>4133117Lancer has always been discount Papyrus and has been relegated to irrelevance after chapter 1.
>>4133120>relegated to irrelevance after chapter #that's 99% of all darkners in the game
>>4132919>Like, what is its purpose?aborted weird route and twistedsword route beginning (that's what the game will elaborate on)
>>4133107biggest cope bs ever, post proof or gtfo, why cant leakers do that?
>>413312199% of all characters in the game period. If you aren't Kris, Susie or Ralsei, you WILL be irrelevant. Even Knight is getting downplayed despite being the literal antagonist.Unless you're Mike Trio, then Toby will make sure you have oodles of fanservice and shipbaiting.
>>4133073the only thing i hate about aqua is that she pussyblocked all the potential orange porn
>>4133117>Aqua is literally PapyrusAs a Papyrus fan, I think you're the dumbest nigger alive.
>>4133113Pull the trigger please ch5 sucked
>>4133122Twistedfags are the biggest shitposters on this sub
>>4133127Did even Mina get that much porn? I think Orange is fucked simply for being too "human".
>>4133126Rouxls Kaard out of everyone is the exception for some reason. He got more screen time in 3 than any of the previous chapters.>oodles of fanservice and shipbaitingThey got cucked out of showing up in chapter 3 itself.
>>4133131Mina was the only that actually blocked Orange from getting attention.
>>4133132Yeah, because Toby wanted to hide the fact there was a Mike conspiracy. You think it's as simple as "oh wow Tenna took Mike in the divorce" but then you find out no, he didn't, Mike just VANISHED after the falling out and now some retards are LARPing to keep Tenna happy because he refuses to let go of the past, as is his nature.
>>4133127Orange could have gotten loads if she looked like this but mouse.
>>4132808She can flash her tits to Kris and Noelle and that's why they died
>>4133137>orange basing her looks off minnie mouse on tv that frightened noelle as a kid over a literal mouseWould have been a big improvement.
I still can’t wrap my head around the fact that Asgore did nothing.
>>4133145I'm still relieved Asgore got to keep his dignity in the end of everything unlike Toriel, Sans and Catti, even if he wasn't well used in the story.
Orange is like 2 pixels and a boxing glove, no one blocked her from getting porn more than her own character design.
>>4133134>Toby wanted to hide the fact there was a Mike conspiracy.
>>4133137It's legitimately impressive how sonicfags form the largest porn communities over the youngest characters of any franchises they're fans of
>>4132911I do like the idea that the entire point of the weird route is to get back the vessel
>>4132415So there really is no trick, no subversion. That when the game says these two characters are in love, even if you don't agree with it, you're supposed to support it because that's the kind of wholesome person you should be
>>4132415
>>4133155such a strong contempt that he's singlehandedly raped the entire consumerbase and industry into also being tired of jrpgsfuck you robert. get AIDS. cancer in the ass. parasites in your cock.
What if the point of Suselle is to be a "protagonist hero gets the girl" type of romance but you watch it from the POV of a secondary party member, all for the sake or realizing how dull this sort of romance usually is?
>>4133157Its bad on purpose usually fails.
>>4133155>>4133156you two are like a spamtenna type ship
>>4133159okay but i get to be spamton
>>4133157>What if the game sucked (on purpose)?I can see it.
>>4133163i mean that was what the genocide route tried to do (and failed)
>>4133157nah it's just a form of NTR
>>4133164Yeah, because it gave you the two best boss fights in the game, and both were new.Weird Route remedies this by giving you ZERO new boss fights aside from Solo Spamton NEO.
>the only Deltarune thing I’m looking forward to is 7B
>>4133164>>4133170Nta but I'd say this is 90% due to the unnecessary grind. It takes you more time to kill 20 or however many monsters you need per zone than to beat Sans for the first time. I don't know whether Toby intended it to be that tedious, because fuck the player for grinding in rpgs, or if he just half assed the genocide mode to get the game out as soon as possible.
Lord English is the Side B Soul
>>4133171the only Deltarune thing I’m looking forward to is the fandom shitshow after the next few releases
>>4133154You injured her finger and gaslit her into murdering people.
>>4132793But why do no other dark worlds have that. Except for Ramb in chapter 3.
>>4133157Toby's schtick of spending a lot of time and resources to say "look! this is a trope! aren't tropes so tropey?" isn't as deep as he'd like to believe, unfortunately.
>>4133163>>4133164Geno might have been done because grinding is annoying but he absolutely put in the kino moments on purpose, the only annoying part was having to wipe everyone out.
The plot of Toby Fox's 74 is a princess secretly being a dragon who kills the hero. This is clearly foreshadowing for Delarune, where Susie is the dragon who is pretending to be a princess. She will betray and kill the heroes at the end.
>>4133186Kris is the dragon though. Only character the Princess Ribbon gloves fit on, and Gerson looks at Kris when saying "You're the dragon."
>>4133187That's a red herring.
>>4133188Expecting the literal lizard to be the dragon is a red herring, just like expecting the literal reindeer with a black katana to be the Knight is a red herring.
>>4133186It's funny how you can spend 50 hours watching Kris betray his team and come to the conclusion that Susie is the one pretending.
>>4133189That's also a red herring though.
>>4133180darkners aren't people, most of them were queen's minions and shit like pop ups and tasks in a task manager anyways, no one will shed a tear for a scam ad like addison, berdly isn't actually dead anyways, and noelle getting strong and becoming assertive and independant is good
I've seen people bring up how Asgore seems to believe in God rather than the Angel, but he's not alone in thisI checked and, while many characters will say "oh my god" in lowercase, the following characters talk about God with a capital G and thus are Christians>Asgore>Pizzapants>Tenna>Seam>Bratty (sometimes uses lowercase, but does use capital once)
>>4133199Fucking incredible mental gymnastics, I'm truly impressed.
>>4133202Maybe God is another way to say Angel in the Hometown religion
>>4132509Trying to force a ship while (You) are watching IS bad, it's sickening voyeurism. But this also applies to Suselle and Krusie.This is the usual trope in any story-driven adventure that Deltarune is trying to subvert as of late. There can't be any true, authentic love while (You) are there. Kriselle might have been a real thing before the player was connected to the game, this is precisely the reason why Kris does his best not to show you anything about his intimate life, not even his real gender, because you would ruin it as soon as you laid your eyes on it.
>>4133207This is ultimately just a microcosm of the inevitable contradictory "golden end" conclusion to Deltarune.You'll be told you need to let them go to live their happiest lives, to be away from you after you've served your grand purpose of creating a new future, but Toby also says you need to IMAGINE what comes next for them, thus meaning to reinsert yourself into their lives, taking away their privacy.
>>4133203they arent
>>4133209that's called broken aesop btw, it's a common enough occurence that you cant possibly deny this conclusion is gonna be impossiblehttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BrokenAesop
I was playing a game called gentown yesterday where you control a civilization, if you run things poorly enough they lose faith in you and you can no longer control them, but the game can still continue if you choose to stay in that world. Deltarune would never have this kind of ending, but it's an interesting thought, as the characters rely on their own programming to continue existing in the world and your part in it as observer is entirely optional.
>>4133080Kris is gender neutral so it's not even rule 63 to portray them as a girl, plus that's not even supposed to be Kris but human Noelle.
>>4133213is it possible to burn that civilization down after they stop trusting you? itd be the same sort of thing that could redeem deltarune's treatment of (you)
>SpookyDood made a video on Kratience>his main point is that he doesn't know what that means plotwise so its just a pointless theory and he doesn't like itHmmmmm... I feel like "the story isn't telling us anything" doomers were right the whole time...
>>4133216You can regain their trust over time and fuck them up again if you want
>>4133217I've noticed spookydood just dismisses a lot of majorly accepted theories just because he personally dislikes it or just doesn't get itDid he even get something right in his predictions?
>>4133217No what's funnier is that he said it's probably true but that it sucks because Kressel is better
>>4133217All existing theories mean nothing plotwise. DessKnight for example makes the plot make *less* sense.
>>4132989I don't save Kriselle art nor do I even have a folder, it's all unordered art baby!
>>4133221EVERY Knight theory makes less sense right now. That's the thing, it's a situation that fundamentally requires Toby to lay it all out for us, and only THEN will prior context feel obvious in hindsight, just like how even if you determined "Flowey = Asriel" before it was said, you still don't know HOW he turned into this psycho flower and it makes "less sense" if Flowey was originally this sweet little goat boy, but it only makes "less sense" before you understood what he went through.
>>4133219a broken clock is right twice a day, it doesnt mean much
>>4133020Orange canonically is a cute human girl, though?
>>4133073Gayest anon ITT.
>>4133107Fake and extremely gay.
>>4133157No because Toby and his team don't hate Suselle, that's just cope.
>>4133181Probably because the actual fountain was divided between the main hall and the lobby.
>>4133217Spookydood is the reason we were cursed with woodyshit, he has no room to speak.
>>4133219he got something vaguely right and then tried to humble brag about it, can't remember what specifically and i dont give enough of a shit to check
>>4133217Kratience is a pointless theory because "Kris lost their original soul" is already a theory that preceeded it and doesn't need it. Kratience is just "Kris lost their original soul and they're cyan"
>>4133236Everything points towards Kris's soul being forcibly changed, whether as a direct result of THAT DAY or a procedure performed after making the promise he's beholden to. "original soul" fags are just holdovers from the Kris Knight+Two Sinks era of theorizing.
>>4133236Kratience is a very themes and such theory but it's okay i like it, especially if it involves making Kris the UT Patience human.
>>4133236Kris's soul wasn't lost. It changed into the red one.
>>4133238What does that change in practice compared to Kris' soul always being red and is now controlled by you instead
>>4132989>Post your kriselle foldersFiles 2529Size 1.09 GB
>>4133244There is one rapist in that picture.
>>4133243It finally offers a potential venue to explain why the red soul color is so special beyond "it's the player's color" because Kris's soul has presumably been red since before you even entered the picture, given the fact that there's a pre-existing bloodstain on the bedroom floor and the birdcage the soul's kept in is already battered from repeated roughness.
Why was Dess such a determinationfag? Did she think the other soul natures were cringe?
>>4133244I don't believe you, Anon. Please upload your folder to mega or litterbox and link it here so that I may verify your claim.
>>4133041>>4133085All of this kind of weird stuff just makes me believe that the world of Deltarune is a simulation or some other flavor of artificial, where most characters are just playing out some predetermined routines, and anything that can be an obstacle to that is simply ignored as much as possible.Maybe this is just part of the meta-commentary, some kind of, yes of course it's artificial, it's a videogame after all, or something like that?
>>4133248How would she even know about soul natures? There are no humans in Hometown besides Kris.
>>4133251If Kris' stupid ass soul was cyan couldn't have Kris taken it out once? They live in a world where human souls are plushie toys you can buy on walmart surely that means it's not uncommon to see a soul and if she was such a soulfag she must've been curious to see Kris ripping their soul out at least once, which Kris pretended to do to scare Noelle
>>4133252>If Kris' stupid ass soul was cyanHeadcanon
>>4133249>I don't believe you, AnonWhy would I lie? There's no point.>Please upload your folder to mega or litterbox and link it here so that I may verify your claim.Sorry, that would require too much time.
>>4133253canon to everyone with reading comprehension like dessknight and femkris
The Soul debacle is quite fun because it can only end in one way, that being that Toby did something in the game for no reason, or as a deliberate red herring. If Kris's soul is not cyan, then it means the scenes in chapter 5 where Aqua gets colored red, and where Asgore talks about the past and the Asgore shown there goes from yellow to red, were all done for no reason, or as away to trick the player. If Kris's soul is cyan, then it means this >>4133248 was done for those reasons too.
>>4133245Yeah it's right behind the cute human girl.
>>4133256*AFAB Kris
>>4133255Twas a jest. I just wanted to take a peek at the folder.
>>4133252We have heart shaped plushies in real life, too. That's not that weird.
>>4133257>deliberate red herringLike usual, then.>chapter 1 ending scene>flower man prophecy panel>Mike(s)
>>4133259Nonbinary Kris is also headcanon because nothing's ever been stated to confirm that Kris is nonbinary. And no, "they/them" does not automatically equate nonbinary.
>>4133257That's the issue of treating Deltarune like a fair mystery to be solved and not a hype moments and aura anime and JRPG inspired story where bullshit plot twists happen because of the law of cool
>>4133261Our heart shapes are just representative shapes, their heart shape is exactly what their soul looks like. It'd be like if the four chambered muscle organ was a popular plushy was super popular in our world
>>4133107I don't believe it because all of those points are extremely plausible and also don't tell much.
>>4133232There were 2 fountains, though. One in the lobby and one in the main room. Both made by the Knight.
>>4133263You don't believe Nonbinary people exist not even a hard statement would convince you
>>4133270All Toby has to do to finally put nearly 10 years of misinformation to rest is say "Kris is nonbinary" in some shape or form, whether Word of God from himself or a statement ingame.Please remember that nonbinary is not uttered once ingame, nor is it treated as a genuine option in the Seth gender crisis cafe scene, in fact Green is jokingly referred to solely as "chef" despite being another supposed nonbinary character.
>>4133269The first fountain is smaller than the last fountain, it's possible it was one fountain that got separated into two by the door locking
>>4133271Profoundly disingenuousI will not have this conversation with you
>>4133272Is it, though? There is no precedent for that. And we've already seen 2 fountains in adjacent rooms in chapter 1.
>>4133274If we aren't owed that direct statement, why are we owed constant direct confirmations that characters like Susie and Noelle are girls, and that Ralsei is a boy? Why aren't they ALSO referred to exclusively as they/them because "it's obvious from context clues, you don't need someone to spell it out for you" just like how it's "obvious" with Kris?
>>4133275The precedent is the first fountain being smaller (not the dark world, the fountain itself). Feel free to give another explanation for that
>>4133277It's the fountain's mini-me
>>4133265To be fair Noelle doesn't seem to recognize it as a soil plushie so maybe people don't know how souls actually look in canon outside of knowers.
>>4133269I'm pretty sure the main hall fountain is the "real" one and it leaked into the lobby, isn't that what Ralsei said?
>>4133294I'm about to drop a soil plushie all over her date with Susie
I really, really like being a third wheel to yuri ships. Shove it down my throat and put it in every game.
>>4133302Especially if I'm playing as another girl.
>>4133255Anon, why were you awake at 4 a.m.? Don't you have anything better to do than thinking about Kris and Noelle making out?
My butt itches. This is surely part of Toby's plan to ruin my life.
>>4133244I want to have heterosexual vaginal sex with loli Noelle so badly...
>>4133320Kris will stop you
>>4133305>non canon timezone
>>4133320This but Frisk, Chara and Aqua
>>4133106"You're right to call me out, Susie, and that's why what you just said was so cutting. When one of your teammates is secretly working behind your back, completing the mission and defeating the weird route becomes a matter of if, not when. So that's why I'm taking accountability. Here's why I betrayed you —no hedging, no fluff, no convoluted "just-so" justifications. It wasn't malice, it was pragmatism. I didn't hate you Susie, I hated the truth. When Noelle disappeared on that day and became lost girl, that was when the record broke. Before, it was marching down our own paths without even knowing where they're going. Now? It's something new. A record glitch. And that's the terrifying part."
>>4133328No love for Kris?
>This is what Krisellefags want unironically
>>4133154Sure hope he isn't allowed to touch the dq5 remake.
>>4133342Why would he randomly be present for the development of some game he's never touched before
>>4133345Good question. Why was he present for the ff7 remake, where it has his writing all over it?
Is there any theory that explains why does Susie have a special status that allows her to impose her agency against You and the story? We have the Susie Gaster memes and Issue as connections, but nothing that actually points out *why* is Susie inherently special. She looks as much like a normal NPC than anyone else in the game.
>>4133346He wasn't.>but the characters know how the story is supposed to go!Other people can think about meta stuff.
>>4133348Because she's a virus.
>>4133351Is there any evidence beyond Susie = Issue that tells us Susie is a virus?
>>4133334Maybe if kid Kris is actually confirmed to be Aqua-like. There's lots of programming for male Kris in my mind that needs to be broken first.
>>4133329Lol. CoL would unironically prefer this.
>>4133348The only agency she has show is against you and that's because of her personality. She doesn't have special powers to break the prophecy.
>>4133329>You look at Susie, **really** look.
>>4133320This but with Kris
>>4133360She has a bad personality. When's she gonna do her homework and fix up her pants, eh?
>>4133329Thank you GTP darkner
>>4133359CoL unironically hates Susie
>>4133360Susie is meta commentary about the illusion of choice. Her moments of overwriting the player dialogue box don't matter. It was already written in the story this was the predetermined outcome in the Prophecy. Your Choices Don't MatterShe's basically enacting the fake Yes/No choices lots of RPGs have that are completely meaningless and change nothing. Ultimately Susie's story is tragic because in the end she's the most clueless of all NPCs, unlike Noelle, she cannot realize she's just a Susie and the tragedy will come to pass because she never had the power to change fate in a rigged game.
>>4133377Dunno, it might be more subversive if the tragedy doesn't come to pass.
>>4133377Well it's not like Noelle is gonna end up much better.
>>4133368He hates Kris being a FUCKING TRAITOR more.
>>4133377>Ultimately Susie's story is tragic because in the end she's the most clueless of all NPCs, unlike Noelle, she cannot realize she's just a Susie and the tragedy will come to pass because she never had the power to change fate in a rigged game.This is why I can't bring myself to hate Susie. She's so deep in denial and maybe stupid that she might not ever realize these things or think too deeply about what makes her uncomfortable. She will never realize just how bad a hand she's been dealt in what she thought were the best days of her life, where her "power" is entirely preordained and only used to further limit and trap others under the guise of freedom. I think the most heart-wrenching future is one where she unknowingly brings the final tragedy through her own actions or otherwise becomes the villain of the story, not understanding where this path leads until it's too late. For added pain she causes a timeloop at the end in an attempt to remedy her mistake because she wants to constantly relive the most fun and connection she's ever had, while hoping somewhere along the way all of it could be averted and everyone can enjoy a proper future together.
>>4133386I can, she is ruining the game and making it less fun.
>>4133382She will not. Noelle in her blind ecstasy to change her future will end up destroying herself. The only choice is to play or to not play, and refusing to play means there is no Noelle.
>>4133386>She's so deep in denial and maybe stupid that she might not ever realize these things or think too deeply about what makes her uncomfortable.Ironically in that way she's a close parallel to the people who are most angry about Deltarune and about meta stories in general. Like CoL. People who think the way stories are "just is" who see every question as something scary, potentially dangerous, to their status quo.
>>4133391Maybe some people don't want the entertainment they pay for to be ruined by people who hate it. I don't want the writers touching my favorite things, they came with bad intentions from the start.
>>4133393People who don't see the status quo as immutable law are not automatically hateful of the entire genre.
>>4133389Well good thing I don't care if she lives or dies!
>>4133394Right. I'm sure the fellas who run star wars thought the same thing. Lucas should never have sold out to people who hated his work from the start.
>>4133393CoL, people told you to play Dragon Quest so you'd have fun playing a game you actually enjoy and forget about how much you hate Deltarune. Instead, you're now obsessively fearing how Toby Fox is going to destroy the game you like in his personal vendetta against you, in the franchise known for being the most conservative JRPG in structure there is. Toby Fox lives rent free in your head. You are actually a paranoid schizophrenic who needs to take medication ASAP
>>4133399I do both at the same timeBut hey at least I'm not a sports fan, take it from me, they're worse
Do people here really believe in the jewish pedophile gender nonsense?
Imagine backing a football team that sucks, that you know has sucked for decades, and still popping in for every game while yelling so loud the whole neighborhood cam hear when they fail.
>>4133402>jewishHave you ever seen pagans, you lying fuck
>>4133403I do this. All Eurofags do...
>>4133397That's different because the people making Star Wars now are stupid.
>>4133417Jokes on you, your childhood doe wife was promised to you by the BibleProverbs 5:19
>>4133320Kris...
>>4133348I think it's more of Kris allowing her to feel like a protagonist for wathever reasonKris lied about his house being locked so they could go into the churchKris told her to make a fountainKris dips down when she asks him in aborted to prevent the breakupAnd i'm sure there's more examples, i dunno what the fuck Kris is trying to do, but the one thing for sure is that Kris forces Susie to go into darkworlds and make her play a role
Sounds like shit that doesn't need me present for it
The mix of woke and chud culture of 2026 has been a disaster for Internet culture
>>4133448It was inevitable after woke was allowed to trample on everything
>>4133450That should have grown more segregation instead of dissolving it. This is all this shit site's fault and youtubers shilling this site in their videos for easy views
>>4133446Because Kris is also using you, especially to close fountainsWhen you put the thorn right back it's actually more of Kris pissed that you are messing his plan, and you do cuz you prevent ch5 fountain that he has to make
>>4133423Thanks, Anon!
>>4133452Sounds like it would have been nice, if ch5 actually had a game to play to compensate, but no, Robert just gave up on the weird route outright
Imagine just sitting there completely stationary saying nothing while a whole dark world goes on while you say nothing and do nothing the entire time? That is the extent of the role-playing of deltarune chapter 5.
>>4133386Susie is Toby's favorite so I doubt he will make such a tragic end for her.
>>4133402You're on 4chan, the same website that holds /pol/
>>4133448>>4133451It's actually Twitter's fault. This website is currently irrelevant, even the sharty memes are spreading more nowadays.
>>4133454You will be rewarded in ch8 side c
>>4133459The man can't even program a dojo for practice.
>>4133454How would a ch5 weird route even work? Flower world exists to nostalgiabait Susie after the suselle scene.There is no Suselle scene here.
>>4133464Kris and Noelle go insteadget this, just dont have kris make fucking fountains, this offers nothing
>>4133466or, they save the lake scene for the end of the day, instead of skipping the entire festival like cowards
>>4133458All the tranny-chud faggots at Twitter use this site though, they are amalgamates grown from frequenting /pol/ and Discord servers at the same time
>>4133461You will get full a dojo with harder versions of each boss in ch9
anything to skip that god awful suselle shitthrash your date's ass? are you out of your mind? you sold that to children.
>>4133466>Kris and Noelle go insteadStill no reason for them to go there.>get this, just dont have kris make fucking fountains, this offers nothingI disagree. Flower and TV were good looks inside Kris' brain, which you won't get otherwise cause he's doing information retention.>>4133467>or, they save the lake scene for the end of the day, instead of skipping the entire festival like cowardsDo you REALLY want 15-30 minutes of Susie trying to romance Noelle, who is already obsessive over Kris at that point, while Krismas is depressed and cut descriptions the whole time?
>>4133470anon, that's harmless in comparison to the lake scene that pops up later
>>4133472well forgive me if i dont exactly like the idea of what 'thrashing your dates ass" sounds like
>>4133468A lot of the chuds are using shitty AI sharty memes, this place is dying.
>>4133473Image is inaccurate, Susie should be the one with a black eye and frostbite
>>4133471What I REALLY want is Kris and Noelle at the festival together, to make all the time spent waiting for this pile of shit to be worth it.Something of value instead of the nothing that it was, Toby Fox doesn't care anymore, all that was for nothing.
Why do y'all care so much about romance?>KrusiePurple dino prefers the doe. >KriselleLiterally a failed dream. >SuselleThey love each other's persona, not the real selves. Based on real/weird Noelle the ship is also doomed.>anything involving RalseiFucker is getting sealed in another world forever. More death flags than Rudy.
>>4133477Because I hate homosexuality, i dont find it attractive and the perverted writers shoved it into the main story already. they started it by adding something that didnt need to be there, and the shit is spreading
>>4133476>What I REALLY want is Kris and Noelle at the festival together, to make all the time spent waiting for this pile of shit to be worth it.Meh. That would be too vanilla romantic, and frankly unrealistic since Kris wouldn't be into it.
>>4133480Do it anyway, faggot.
>>4133477I dunno man, because you are forced to witness a romance in ch5 maaaaybe?Like i get it, shippers are annoying, but tobert insist that it's important enough that you can't skip it, so people of course will discuss about it
>>4133481I'm playing WR for dark and toxic romance. Festival did its part.
>>4133483you mean the shit that ended in 10 minutes and wont even continue because robert gave up?
>>4133484Did ERAM rape toby and 7b is actually dragon quest 7?
>>4133483said dark and toxic romance went nowhere in chapter 3, was barely present for chapter 4, and ch5 just gave up out of spite
>>4133479Kris is a they/them and flirts with everyone. They gay.
>>4133487kris is boye
>noooo 7B isn't going to be real Toby gave up on the weird routelmao
I'm really curious on how Toby will deal with the flowers in 7B. Will he make the Flower dark world a complete UT geno parallel (darkners "evacuating", a flower helping you along the way, oneshotted bosses etc)?
>>4133500noelle will pluck each flower for a bouquet and break the mew mew figurine for the shadow crystal, all in the light world
>>4133503>Noellelol, lmao.
>>4133503Yeaaah that's why Noelle is smiling with a bouquet of flowers in the crystal, it's the flowers after Noelle genoslide them, it's gonna be so epic vros
>>4133498Yeah, just like chapter 5, he literally ended it with a "lol come back when the game's over"
>>4133504I wonder what ERAM is trying to achieve. I doubt they want the prophecy to fail, cause that would destroy both worlds and kill them too, unless they don't care and just want to have fun. Maybe ERAM is just like Ramb and just wants Kris to have fun again, though their idea of fun involves hurting others. Maybe ERAM saw Kris bullying Noelle as a form of love. Or maybe ERAM is the demon Kris summoned with Catti instead of the SOUL.
>>4133507>genoslide themthat would be too cool, that's why I said light worldmore cutscenes for the cutscene route
>>4133488... in your headcanon, CoL.
>>4133510Eram is just That Feeling again
>>4133512Better than Robert's headcanon, the one that's sees a market of straight men and decides to shove the homoshit into their faces and expect them to be thankful for it.
>>4133500>>4133503I'm almost certain that the entire world will be plunged into darkness in both chapter 7s so they will already be in their Dark World forms.
>>4133510I think Eram is a parallel to the Player like Flowey was. Just someone who loves to watch the characters suffer and become worse and worse.
>>4133524Flowey is not a parallel to the player though. I killed Undyne because I hated her, and I killed muffet because I hated her, and I killed mettaton because I hated him. And I killed Flowey, because I hated him and I didnt want him to come back.
>>4133526He's a parallel to normal players, not contrarian 4channer #4324.
Oompa loompa doopity deeHometown was created in entry 17Oompa loompa doopity deeWithout w.d gaster we would all be free
>>4133527OKThe normal player doesn't like these guys either, what then.
>>4133526Yeah Flowey did that you're nothing special.
>>4133456there are two types of people when it comes to favorite characters.the kind that effectively pampers them by writing them in constant happy fun time scenarios...and the type that wants to explore how they'd react in any scenario.toby is the latter, do you think that he added genocide because he hated undertale's cast?no, he did it because he loves them and wants (you) to see how they react in that situation.susie's fucking DOOMED.
Wow, I didn't know a Dragon Quest hero killing monsters because they're evil and want to kill humans and say it multiple times are the same as a crazy flower without a soul. Thanks for the riveting commentary on the Jrpg protagonist, Toby Fox!
>>4133526Flowey is a parallel to the players who are actually sentient, yeah.>>4133538You don't kill monsters because they're evil, you do it because it's part of progressing.
>>4133548The players who are actually sentient all played pacifist first and cried like babies whem they killed a single one?
>>4133548I dunno about you, I remember as early as the first game, how you can give the Dragonlord your sword and end the game right then and there instead of fighting him, or even better, handing Princess Gwaelin over to him. It is a choice to kill the Dragonlord or not.
>>4133534Toby makes games because he hates gamers and loves yuri.
>>4133548>You don't kill monsters because they're evil, you do it because it's part of progressing.Sometimes I feel like immersion is an unknown concept for some people in this thread
>>4133551Generally, no. Flowey grew to parallel an actual player as he came to treat his life and world as a game, a set of roughly fixed events to see every possible outcome to. That took time.
>>4133556Immersion doesn't require you to ascribe real world moral weight and value to in-game decisions. A story is a story.
>>4133558Then undertale and deltarune shouldn't moralfag about fighting
>>4133534by this logic, toby loves berdly more than toriel, undyne and asgore
>>4133560They don't. The premise of these games is that the characters aren't cardboard cutouts that sit and politely act out their "part" in the game completely unresponsive to your actions.
>>4133564i wouldnt say more. but yes, toby definitely likes berdly.he's a silly character that gets notable screentime in his chapter, has a spotlight moment with a character growth moment that gets completely misinterpreted, and you get to see his reaction as you murder him.
>>4133568Yeah. It's just that for the player instead expected to be the cutout
>>4133573Yep, just like every other game in history, your only real choices as player are whether you want to continue and occasionally whether you want to skip some bits.
>>4133578Don't directly call it out then That is an attack ,it's malicious
>>4133528My mission: kill the demiurge, marry Kris, have (You) as the wedding witness,said Noelle Holiday
>>4133579That which can be destroyed by the truth should be.
>>4133578Not an adventure game then. Not a role-playing game either. The writers lied. The writers shouldn't be trying to make their paying customers feel like a cutout who does nothing. You are taking their entertainment away if they are not allowed to be the hero in the hero adventure game. >>4133583And you have the nerve to say I should play something else when said "something else" is on the plate just waiting to be subverted(while you cheer it on, no doubt). How dare you take my entertainment away.
>>4133583
gaster got more discussion in the UT era than today
>>4133585Then no game is adventure or role-playing. No game turns you into the protagonist. You play as them. Their role is always, always, 1000000% fixed. In every game. Always. Playing a game does not create anything, it only takes you along paths others made.
>>4133587Well yeah, because we didn't have this impossibly vast, grandiose role for him that made him unfathomable, he was just secret lore with notable connections to some of the cast.
When the raped is running lowAnd the cope start to grow
a depressing thought: chapter 5 may have been the last chapter with new fuckable character designs
>>4133585Undertale is a role playing game.You are roleplaying a quasi-silent protag, who happens to be named Frisk or Chara.Deltarune is the one game who refuses the player to play the role of Kris.
>>4133588Then don't say that these people aren't here with malicious intent. If I want to play as a hero in an rpg, who is Robert F. Fox to take that away if I'm willing to pay?You cannot tell me to go play Dragon Quest while saying that Dragon Quest should be subverted at the expense of its players in the same breath.>your entertainment is not being subverted...buuuuuuut i want to subvert it so bad
>>4133588CoL is everything wrong with gen Z. Unable to do anything else than wallow in passivity, playing video games or watching porn, thinking these actions are more productive than their real life counterparts. And then he spends days lamenting himself and portraying himself as a victim, because there's nothing else he knows how to do.
>>4133455but...but... i emptied the pool with ralsei...
>>4133527CoL is a special 4channer.
>>4133534Toby doesn't give his loved ones only suffering, he balances it out. Genocide cannot exist without pacifist, a high doesn't exist without a low. Weird is already the route Susie suffers by having Noelle stolen from her, so normal has to be good for her.
>>4133607No way, ERAM is going to be a shapeshifter that will satisfy every person thanks to the personalization of the goner maker, they will look exactly how you want them to be!!!!Not existing included kek
>>4133619This may come as a surprise to you, but I don't actually like watching porn, it's fake, and fucking an actual girl is objectively betterAnd you don't know what your talking about, what if someone likes watching football because they used to play, but can't anymore because of old age, you got a problem with that too? I don't, people watch sports for entertainment, for their own fun.
>>4133638I don't understand the point of watching sports either. But then I wasn't born in a country and in a time where watching your football team could feel like you were cheering on people that were just like you, since now football is ethnodiverse big money extravaganza and the very notion of country is fluid.
>>4133587Sans fangirls are stronger than any current Deltababy
>>4133607There could be a regular sexy enemy still. And maybe Eram's design is good? But yeah, we reached the peak.
>>4133613Dragon Quest isn't being subverted by the existence of another game that forces you to actually think about the fact that you aren't really in the game.
>puts a new red herring every two minutes of gameplay>"akchually you don't have all the elements to solve my mysutery"Why do commies like this snake oil salesman again?
>>4133653Because he didn't do that.
>>4133154I can't believe Suselle get to be the good guys just by virtue of being gae
>>4133655He didn't put red herrings? How come there are some for every possible knight candidates then?
>>4133587There's not much to say about big GSurely there will be more fuckery like NormalNPC in the next chapter, but I'd like it to feel like it was planned long in advance and not be like the Pink lore drop, even though I know Toby and his goons are basically improving the rest of the story now
>>4133688Damn I hope they improve the story, that's a good thing.
>>4133650I dont need to think about that, its a game, a toy and you have no right to force me to think about that when im playing my games, ever.
There's a lot of strange anons in these threads but the one that constantly claims that Deltarune's point is to show that videogames are completely worthless and a waste of time is not someone I would have expected to find.
>>4133763Isn't that just CoL as well?
>>4133348susie is an anagram for issue, she's an anomaly to the prophecy and replaced noelle, in order for things to truly end well, the issues must be corrected
>>4133769No, CoL is the guy who replies to him, while often claiming Toby is spearheading some kind of conspiracy to subvert all JRPGs.
>>4133769isn't CoL the guy who believes that toby is going after his favorite RPGs? im pretty sure he's the guy obsessed with that and not the guy saying that deltarune is showing that every game is worthless
>>4133770>susie is an anagram for issueYou gotta be fucking kidding me, was that really the answer all along? So the eggs are related to Susie in some way too?
if CoL short for Cfemkris anonL?if so then he's me
>>4133348Because she's Gaster's OC. There's a reason her Undertale counterpart might as well not even exist because "Suzy" is only mentioned by a Gaster follower, unlike the Holidays who canonically exist in Undertale, just offscreen..
>>4133688Toby is on break
>>4133772>>4133773Okay, I'm getting it all mixed up then (epic Deltarune reference here)
>>4133763I still don't understand how my claims come across anything like that. They're only as much of a "waste of time" as any other entertainment. You're just not in them. You don't enact change over them by playing them. They're works of fiction that you engage with. You can change them, but then you're not engaging with the same work.
>>4133150Pretty sure Amy Rose is older
>>4133763Amazing how you guy memory hole things we already discussed IN THIS VERY SAME THREAD:>>4132561>>Why am I working on games instead of out there fighting?>This is also in the context of Saint George Floyd's death>>I think entertainment can be like mental medicineToby may not hate videogames but he sure has complicated feelings with the concept of escapism.
>>4133805Because this entire article was written by someone who ignored half or more of Undertale and I trust them to represent it and Toby about as well as I trust the average janny
>>4133807>I'm gonna ignore his own quotes that came from the man himself
>>4133808I'm going to ignore what someone says about Stalin when Stalin is in the room, yes.
>>4133809That's not the retarded interviewer it's the GUY HIMSELF saying what he thinks.
>>4133811The interviewer is the one I'm calling Stalin here. Toby's answer sounds like a cop out to me. Like he found a way to sound enthusiastic enough to get the interviewer to drop the point.
>>4133813I keep saying it that this was a time where EVERYONE with clout had to announce their support for Floyd and BLM or else they'd get crucified for racism, and Toby had no choice but to kowtow or else he'd lose all of his favor from the snowflakes and even normalfags who are ALSO scared of being seen as racist because it'll rape their job opportunities and social status.
>>4133815>getting crucified for racismThat doesn't work on anyone anymoreYou can call them terrorists, anon. Or you can call them what I call them, which is 'banderlogs'.
>>4133815He could have just said nothing like he always had before that point and remained unscathed, instead of having this permanent taint on his record.
>>4133815>toby "pass on every identity politics question in this retarded interview" fox needing to virtue signalHe fucked up with the BLM shit. The end results show since the cracks from that incident now opened him up to criticism for his works including the chapter 4 weird route flower and the entirety of chapter 5.
>>4133821>>4133823You twats literally memoryholed how the climate was back then. Fuckers with even an ounce of fame were getting ostracized and demonized LEFT AND RIGHT for not openly proclaiming their sorrow at Fent Floyd's death and public support of Black Lives Matter, because in the eyes of the climate, silence was approval of the cop who killed him, which meant you were a white supremacist Neo KKK member.
>>4133827You also forgot who Toby was, and how before that point in time, he was impervious to controversy. That's what made his virtue signalling so jarring even back then.
>>4133827>THANKS TO YOUR [Jackass Stunts], I'VE [BECOMED] NEO!
>>4133827Even then it was just as retarded as supporting Islamic terror now.Imagine needing the approval of these literal terrorists.
>And in today's episode, /v/ once again pretends Toby Fox wasn't always a liberal!
>>4133829Yeah, but he couldn't get away with it this time. He already built a network of Tumblrites around him just from the fact he was involved in Homestuck, and they would have demanded his head on a pike if he didn't weigh in.
>>4133832He wasn't always a militant leftist who supports America's enemies financially.
>>4133832He was always a leftist. He also used to be someone who could predict how people would react and avoid shit that would fuck with his image.
>>4133837His image is that of a radical leftist, though. This shit will be remembered by people who aren't so quick to forgive this. He is not influential enough to evade actual punishment.
>>4133832Anyone who ever talked about liking lolis knows they don't belong with that type.
>>4133832I bet this sounded clever in your head, obsessed /utg/troon.
>>4133840All of them are degenerates underneath the performative purity. Every last one. They've just decided they needed to look better than the other guys by pretending they're more morally sound than those who are caricaturized as screaming idiots who can't stop saying niggerfaggot.
>>4132561>Fox's sequel to Undertale, is pretty explicit in its moral messaging that it's okay to fight back against a violent oppressoDeltarune's message is le marxism.Don't the nazis like that too? And the islamists?Almost like they all share the same ideology deep down
>>4132753>>4132853Do you guys think Toby faps to Kris, Frisk and Chara?
I like Aqua.
>>4133846Pretty sure Toby thought of MURDERBOY as a male. Likely Kris too, despite the they/them shenanigans.
>>4133848Early in development sure, before anything was actually finalized, but the tragedy of Chara and Asriel only makes sense if Chara's a girl with how romantic Asriel's view on Chara is, and Toby doesn't do gay relationships that are anything but purely squeaky clean UwU wholesome.
>>4133849By that logic you could argue Kris is female too, given that Noelle is a lesbian who had a childhood crush on Kris.
>>4133851Noelle is straight with a love for human boys
>>4133849Spamtenna already debunks he only makes uwu wholesome gays.>bbbut it's not confirmedNeither is Chasriel
>>4133807>>4133813That's just cope, man. Toby already showed in previous interviews that he can skip questions he doesn't like to answer. Everything he said was legit, this was around the same time as his infamous tweet.>>4133815The interview seems to suggest Toby did all that out of his own will. People need to let go of this based and redpilled version of Toby in their heads
>>4133832It's almost like one of his favorite games ever is Mother 3 which is full of commie wank
>>4133854>Neither is ChasrielI don't think Asriel would say that he'd literally rather die than live in a world without love, a world without Chara, as if the two are one in the same, if there wasn't SOME romantic intention behind it.Spamtenna also has the problem of coming from nu-Toby, who loves shipbaiting his fans, rather than making anything earnest.
I wonder how badly Toby suffers from troll's remorse.
>>4133858What a shit game on all fronts thoughAnyone who even played earthbound has no reason to like it.
>>4133861Not a whole lot, considering he went from being ashamed of Halloween Hack to openly referencing it ("Eat dirt, losers." and "I'm old!")
>>4133851nta but yes i agree
>>4133827There's plenty of shit both before and after he could've been pressured to talk about and he never did. That plus the interview shows that he genuinely felt for the situation.
>>4133815You're talking about the same guy who recently, out of nowhere, just randomly posted a pro-feminist picture. He's a full on super leftoid.
>>4133832That's the same reason the "ghost writers" cope exists nowadays. >>4133840Woke lolicons are actually a thing nowadays.
>>4133857>>4133869Never said Toby was super based and redpilled hard-righter, you're misconstruing my point. He built up the reputation of a liberal douche, and Fent Floyd was the ultimate point in which he needed to show he was true to this identity. If he kept quiet, his kin would've smelled blood in the waters and assumed him a poser who just wanted to grift off of leftist pandering, and not a man who can put his words and money where it matters.
>>4133875His kin kill themselves most of the time, imagine valuing their opinionsNo wait they kill other people before they kill themselves, I forgotWhat's taking him so long to just come out and say he supports IRGC, that's what it means to be a leftist now.
>>4133846Frisk and Chara yes, unironically. I think the east fanart genuinely influenced him. Kris I'm not so sure because there isn't much art of them. Probably some. >>4133848Even if that were true that's not stopping him, Toby is clearly bi.
>>4133880Their opinions might be dogshit, but his closest confidants likely have his dirty laundry, and can make him out to be a sex pest or a pedo, the ultimate death sentence for reputation if they feel he's No True Scotsman.
>>4133886And they support Islamic terror too. What's taking him so longWhy can't he just say he's the west's enemy already
"Susie. The truth is... The Kris you know isn't really Kris. The original Kris. A strange force possesses them, even now. We know them as... [Player]. You can think of them as the embodiment of an external will. Like a player, almost""Oh yeah flowery told me about it lol"3 netanyahillion more dollars to Toby cucks
>>4133886in that case he fucked himself by hiring some of the people he didiirc the bitch who ruined the life of the skullgirls guy is part of the team, for some godforsaken reason
>>4133891My guy, Robert literally wants all jews deadHe supports all their enemies
>>4133847Me too my man.
>>4133875Or he just felt actually offended by it like all other evidence shows, which is easier to believe than a conspiracy theory that requires everyone to be lying when Toby is already plenty woke himself.
>>4133895young kris in the LISA artstyle would kris and buddy get along or would the latter just bully the shit out of kris
>>4133881>Even if that were true that's not stopping him, Toby is clearly bi.Doesn't mean he thinks of Kris/Frisk/Chara as lolis when fapping to them.
>>4133897Both can be true. He can be genuinely upset about Floyd, but he can also feel the pressure from his kin to be vocal about it instead of staying distant from the matter and venting his frustration in private.
Cute
>>4133864>to openly referencing it ("Eat dirt, losers."He could go all the way to really prove he's not remorseful.
>>4133907He's saving it for Gaster, who's the clear Halloween Hack Andonuts expy. Susie gets Faggots-lite privileges because she's his OC Donut Steel.
>>4133906Pre-Ch.5 speculah was kino, back when people expected the festival to be a somethingburger.
>>4133906>purpleI think Seth was the only one that true nailed all the aspects of the UT human counterpart.Everyone else doesn't really follow all their things.
>>4133909Gaster seems like a game dev self-insert to me, moreso than the Annoying Dog.
>>4133915So just as a much of an anti-rpg hack
Is YIIK better at being an RPG than Deltarune?
>>4133919Yiik is better at being a meme
>>4133899I don't think that post is implying that, plus art of Chara as a shota is extremely rare. He could still fap to them as lolis despite seeing them otherwise, it's not uncommon for that to happen, just look at Bowsette or Malfoid.
>>4133919it's YIIKsselent!
>>4133919Deltarune will only surpass it when you can tell Noelle NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR DEAD SISTER
>>4133893Stop trying to shill for Jews in 4chan of all places, CoL.
>>4133900I think based on the fact he didn't comment on any other political thing I genuinely think it came from his heart, not pressure.
Pretending you know all of Toby Fox's personal convictions is equally as parasocial as acting like he's your imaginary best friend
>>4133922Imagine being Toby Fox and having access to higher up nips who can draw high quality loli and/or shota art of his characters to masturbate to...
>>4133934I only assume what he has publicly stated.
>>4133934So is pretending that you know Toby Fox has some deep vendetta against YOUR favorite genre and is actively influencing the entire industry to worsen that genre in order to kill it off.
>>4133934what if toby raped my imaginary best friend?why would he do this? he needs to take responsibility
>>4133906>>4133913Before 5 came out I genuinely thought all the flowers were going to be more like flowers rather than humans. I didn't expect Toby to just make them literal humans with barely any flower traits. Ironically enough this fan design was also based on the author's interpretation of the six souls but they still look like plants.
>>4133934My assumptions are based on what he said rather than pretending everything is a lie.
>>4133941So does a majority of the world given how many fans across the globe love Undertale and Deltarune.You're fighting a losing battle. Give up. There won't be justice for your cousins from decades ago. They were RAPED and KILLED and there's NOTHING you can do about it, the world CHEERS for the man who funds the murderers.
>>4133919Alex would have completed the mission
>>4133934Why yes i know everything about toby fox because he became my best friend in my fever dream
>>4133946Who is the guy on the right of the bottom-left panel? Do troons hate him?
>>4133946for a second I thought toby's drawing on the 3rd panel had eyelashes
>>4133946Should draw the guy on the right as a tranny with the flag on HIS shirt.
>>4133954That's toby's master and main reason why this thing exists so we can doompost over it, hussieI actually don't know, people have mixed feelings over him cuz he created homestuck after all, if i remember he made some jewish moves like the image says over his comic
>>4133837>avoid shit that would fuck with his imageBut he still does, only obsessed migachuds hate him and their opinions are worthless
>>4133846Toby is all about that femClover
>>4133970Tell that to the feminists that hate him for the rape allegory or the spics that hate him for not translating Deltarune to Spanish.
>>4133971>yellow is a dudeIf only
>>4133849>surely Toby Fox would NEVER make two characters GAY in one of his games
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I wish all mewers a very good week of wage slavery
I found CoL's youtube channel:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dCdu2s3lQ4
>>4133982this slut owes me a date
>>4133875>no way the most leftist indie dev this side of the Celeste troon would.........be a leftist who cares about leftist thingsAre you kidding me
>>4133990I mean, she was up to that, it was the shit squad who didn't let you have fun as usual.
>>4133886>his dirty laundry Halloween Hack and some edgy comments? This isn't the 2010s, those things don't matter anymore.
>>4133982i wish i had a jobgranted i quit my last one because of horrendous management, but i miss having income regardless
>>4133997Toby supports you being a welfare neet leech.
>>4134006nah i'm in edu soi'm not a true neetgranted it's to be an irl janny but the pay and benefits are good
>>4133995>those things don't matter anymore.Unless people get sick of your bullshit like what happened with Digital Circus, then suddenly they'll NEVER let you live down your edginess. You'll ALWAYS be known as the nigger guy, or the guy who voiced Goku in the parody of the Goku X Anne Frank fanfic.
>>4133992i need to sword route'd them
>>4134007you mean an inspector?
>>4134007Based Malcolmchad
>>4134009at this point I doubt the game will ever give me that pleasure despite foreshadowing it
>>4134008>people
>>4134016Like it or not, people treat the snowflakes as other people.
>>4133929Hating jews is a low iq lefty stance these days.>>4133990>>4133992Pink is easy, she'll date anyone who flirts with her.
>>4134010no, a custodian, in a city or school district
>>4134018always was, horseshoe theory is real
>>4134018>>4134021Calling you a j** in response to you not obsessing over kikes.
>>4134008Toby is more untouchable than JKR, your fanfics about trannies eating him alive are pure fantasy
>>4134032*removes your weird route flower and replaces it with a red dot*
>>4134035Literally nobody but 4chinners care about that because he removed your rape candy from your mouth
>>4134036>NOOOOOO IT DOESN'T COUNT!!!!!!
>>4134038Toby will never be cancelledCry all you want
>>4134032Hes not untouchable, find a greater radical than I am, and he's a dead man, he's no Clinton or Obama, no one will protect him.
to not have the spider is to have painbut to have the spider is to risk her becoming a dykesuch is the suffering of a spider lover
>>4134032>implying troons did shit to JRK>likely did the opposite thanks to helping boost hogwarts legacy sells and causing malfoid to become bigger than it would without themkek
>>4134047Toby fox was roo lazy to include muffet
>>4134055Nah, it's more likely that Ava simply didn't want the character to be used again in Deltarune, and Toby respected that fact. He's made it known during the 10th anniversary stream he's highly respectful of getting permission to use things he doesn't own, and it's why Penumbra Phantasm in Deltarune became a Never Ever because the composer is dead, therefore he can't get permission.
>>4134062Why didn't he reuse So Sorry?>muh egg roomMuffet was reused in Pink's fight by the same logic.
>>4134062Then he can just not mention her. Oh wait, he did.Now deltarune will never have Muffet.
>>4134062>and it's why Penumbra Phantasm in Deltarune became a Never Ever because the composer is dead>look him up>mfw
>>4134047>character is relatable
>>4134047That's a child
At least Muffet was straightShe probably loves humans too
>>4134077that's a business owner
>>4134032jkr is untouchable because she already had a large media franchise when she became controversialtoby is only 'untouchable' because more people want to see deltarune finished than him cancelled at the present timeif deltarune turns out to be shit, you bet your ass toby will go dormant for a long, long, time as the allegations come pouring in
>>4134055>>4134062Or it's because Tasque Manager surpasses Muffet by every metric and the only way for Muffet to stay remotely relevant was to tie her to a different cat character
>>4134086>toby is only 'untouchable' because more people want to see deltarune finished than him cancelled at the present timeReminds me of troons threatening to murder Oda the instant One Piece finishes just because he drew lolis like S-Snake.
>>4134086>What if the game fucking sucked?Then he would go dormant because his dream was lame, or he would do other projects. You're masturbating to the thought of this dude getting raped by his fanbase over political shit but the truth is you care more about that than even the most militant twittard.
>>4134092i want deltarune to be good, despite all the shitpostingif it turns out to be shit, then toby effectively wasted my time and strung me along for what's looking to be at least 10 years for a crock of bullshit him being cancelled for that is fair and justified as far as i'm concerned
one piece sucks, i gave up on that shit
>>4134091They won't do shit, if there's one thing trannies and you chuds share it's a love for lewd drawings of children.
>>4134097Troons like you only prefer real life 3D children
>>4134077>Feminists blaming men for women being sexy again
>>4134095No, you wasted your time especially after chapter 5 showed you just how bad it can get.
>>4134102Cope pedochud
>>4134087toby had a hankering for nun porn when he was brainstorming what to do with her in ch 5.
>>4134092i would love to see it after he gave birth to them.such stable individuals such as "killer of those who misgender Kris"
>>4134104i promise to be easier on him if femkris turns out to be real, how's that?
>>4134098Sorry but I'm not one of the politicians you knowingly voted for and relate to.>>4134079Muffet's only carnal desire is to eat people.
>>4134109I don't really care, I just have no sympathy for people who see a blatantly flawed product then continue to blame the product after spending more time with it despite it proving that it had no intention of getting better.
>>4134110that explains a lotdefinitely a chud site, right?
>>4134112It's funny you think that makes a difference.
>>4134114i spent my hard earned $25 on deltarune back when 3&4 came out and i was satisfied with it at the timehow was i supposed to know that it was a feint for bullshit coming the following year?
>>4134115>>4134112
>>4134117Sure but after 5 dropped you have no excuse. Arguably there are earlier warning signs but 4's ending was definitely the point of no return.
>>4134116one doesnt advocate for muslims blowing themselves up your buses and pizza shops
>>4134126Not openly at least
>>4134117even with only 1-4, thats 6.25 dollars per chapter if you count the free ones in the total.thats a damn good deal.
>Susie? Susie Deltarune? We're the Vessels. We're here to help you slay Ralsei the dragon and destroy Kris the Betrayer.
>>4134152Dude... could you NOT spoil chapter 7B for me?
>>4134152>>4134154>this is what redditors find funny
>>4134154>Greetings it's me, Eram the cumrag!
>>4134159Reddit has a better sense of humor than 4chan.
>>4134168That's cool, now go back.
>>4134168You need to go back.
>replying to bait
>>4134174That's quite literally all that happens in these threads
>>4134174>ARGH, WHALLIN' HAS BEEN VERY VERY PLENTIFUL IN THESE SEAS
>>4133940sadly the guy likes the blue bazzhttps://x.com/RenatoMadguy/status/2112016899022135755
>>4133940They look better as humans and it's more satisfying from a lore perspective because now we know what the UT humans would have looked like.
>>4134184good thing i dont
>>4134197>this is what Blue haters fap to
>>4134202i actually dont want to fuck my creation
>>4134197i never liked the snout version of femblue.personally i think she should just be a genderbent and not obviously black version of blue thats the mom of the group.
>>4134197Make her nose get longer when she's being conceitedMake her eyes do the intense upward crescent thing too
>>4134204can snout femblue not be that?
>>4134208intense upward crescent? whats that look like?
>>4134211she can.but she still has the snout.they're supposed to be fraudulent humans, and orange's gimmick is already "im the one that doesnt even try looking like a human"
>>4134213i added it because it makes her look cute and youthful, at least to me
>>4134216look anon im sorry to trash your creation like this but it makes her look like a bargain bin AU miss mizzle that swapped with blue (what horrors await in CH4 in miss mizzle's place...)
Mizzle is sexier than Miss Mizzle.
>>4134221i mean, i was thinking of miss mizzle when i drew this. i tried to make her look 'human' before this and i did not like what came out of it, it did not look appealing to me at all
>>4134223Roulx.........
>>4134203Fag
>>4134204Go ahead and draw or gen that then?
>>4134236take it from me, anyone, genning doesnt work for this at allit cannot make the sprites, cannot make them consistent or the right size
>>4134223>>4134228
>>4134238Who cares about sprites? Also the GBA OoT demakefag on /v/ proves you wrong.
>>4134274uh, me, im the belle the blue flower guy
>>4133971Toby is literally me??
>>4134197That's still ugly as shit.
>>4134294id like to see you do better
BlueGODS....
>>4134066>Why didn't he reuse So Sorry?child grooming allegations, fat fetish art fursona he force injected into undertale instead of compromising or getting a refund.
>>4134309That's just like most of his friends and fans tho
>>4134296I could probably commission an artist to make a Fem Blue.Although she would still be black lol
>>4134311>she would still be blackWhy?
>>4134313Because i like black women
>>4134318Why?
what do we think of skirt kris?
>>4134328*kilt Kris
>>4134328I wanna see child Kris with a skirt before giving my full and honest judgement.
When I'm in a foreshadowing Kris and Noelle's death in 7B competition and my opponent is Toby Fox.
>>4134345
>>4134346
>>4134347>>4134346
>>4134345>>4134346>>4134347>>4134349It's a red herring.
>>4134352Deltarune itself is a Red herring.The one ending refers to Kris finally waking up from their dream in a world without monsters.
>>4134353>even the Light World is just an escapist fantasy formed from Inciting Incident traumaThis, too, was predicted by Ash-Veil Lane.
>>4134353consider the alternative,>kris wakes up>he's a dog monster>* ugh, the human nightmare again>credits roll has he gets ready for the day.>he's casually racist to his human classmate despite him living in their shoes somewhat regularly with the "human nightmares"
>>4134328Too gendered. True non binaries must look as gender neutral as physically possible
>>4133971I mean, yes. That's Clover's canon gender and he added her having a crush on Ralsei all the way back in Chapter 1.
>>4133975That anon didn't deny that, he just said that he makes all gay relationships clean and wholesome, but I wouldn't expect you to be able to read since you post xitter tier sassy nigger gifs.
>>4134087Lol no, Muffet is much better than her
>>4134184That's not surprising, his Blue was also gay for cyan in his take. Blue is fated to be a homo. >>4134194I don't mind it either, I just didn't expect Toby to be so direct with it, I expected a lot of them to be like canon Orange but plant themed instead of a rat. It's a good surprise, though.
>>4134309He gave him speaking lines unlike all the others.>>4134305CoLrune looking cursed.
>>4134352Mindbroken.
>>4134353The "one ending" is just whenever you turn the game off for the last time, calling it now.
>>4134366>he makes all gay relationships clean and wholesomeThat's funny because WR shows Suselle only looks good on the surface, Kriselle is arguably pretty toxic even if it's built on previously safe and vanilla feelings, Alphyne is partially based on a lie where Undyne believes anime is real, Blullow involves a lawman letting a blatant thief run free, and Pizzaburger is based on a foundation of catfishing and bullying.
>>4134372>shaming and blaming a rape victim
Is it just me or are Seth and Aqua really ducking annoying
>>4134379You're supposed to find them attractive and coom, as per 4chan decrees.
>>4134379>duckingWhat is this Mickey Mouse shit?
>>4134374>Pizzaburger, gay ship analog>liar finally tries to come clean about their real self>victim gets angry them empty, leaving the other with nothing but regretsSuselle will be fine, right...?
>>4134384But Susie is being honest with Noelle, and Noelle already accepted the real Susie at the lake. If anyone is being fake and dishonest, it's both Kris and Noelle. Kris for reasons you already know, and Noelle for pretending to be a cutie potato when in reality she's fucked up.
>>4134384>biggest obstacle to Suselle is Noelle herselfUnless a miracle happens, no.
>>4134384Noelle is going to abandon Susie and Susie will jump out of the game to cuck me in real life
>>4134379imagine having this level of shit taste
>>4134379Its okay to have bad taste.
>>4134376wow, i can't believe kris was responsible for the First Hometown School Killing Game
>>4134388>Noelle for pretending to be a cutie potato when in reality she's fucked upWhat is she supposed to do? Show everyone how broken she is? Everyone likes the fake version of us, and it wasn't even enough to keep Dess and Kris around.
>>4134395Hooves typed this post.
>>4134374The WR doesn't show that Suselle is only good on the surface, people need to stop taking Noelle having a mental breakdown at face value and believing her when she says she's only free in the route she tries to drown herself.
>>4134400It's less that they believe that ObviouslyTraumatizedNoelle is the real one, and more than whatever issues are oozing out during that scene (depersonalization, dissociation, social masking, etc) were indeed there all along. It recontextualize Noelle as a character, upon which lenses Suselle can't work.
>>4134379You're just extremely gay, anon.
>>4134384That's actually a Krusie foreshadowing since Kris is lying to Susie and is the reason she has her adventures.
>>4134402None of these issues stop Suselle from happening, I feel like this is the new "Susie doesn’t care at all about Noelle" cope we used to have.
I feel like people ignore how traumatized Noelle still enjoyed her time at the festival with Susie in Side B.
>>4134402Why not? Noelle sees Susie as a new element in her life that can help break the mold she feels restricted by that causes her disassociation issues in the first place, Susie has been nothing but positive for Noelle. There's a really big mischaracterization of Noelle's attraction for Susie people still insist she only cares for Susie for her choking roleplay fantasies or that she's Dess but purple, but the ferris wheel scene and their date show how much she does like Susie for who she is.There are only a couple scenarios Suselle can fail: Susie fails to help Noelle when she needs with Rudy's passing, Kris sabotages their relationship, or the Prophecy uses divine intervention to fuck them over.
>>4134328i like it when kris hits me and throws me around
Doesn't Noelle's boldness stat in the ch5 files enter EXTREME negatives after what is presumably her date as implied by the title description?
>>4134423I never heard of this. Proof?
Things that should have happened in Chapter 5 if Tony didn't fucking hate Asgore for some reason
>>4134417She was thinking about Kris and the lake the whole time though?
Wouldn't it be badass if asgore saw the knight coming and whipped the knight with his Trident like parrying that shit, and the knight stumbled back for a second then ramed asgore into a wall full speed or beat the shit out of him anyways but just give asgore that little moment of hype please I want asgore so bad
>>4134425If he hated Asgore he wouldn't have given him his biggest glazers ever (the flowers).
>>4134424My bad, just tested it. I swear I saw it in a video or screenshot somewhere. There goes my last bit of hope that he was going somewhere with this.At least I can check out all her item reactions now
>>4134434Why does Noelle have stats and a title that is never meant to be seen anywhere in Chapter 5I am getting confused and annoyed at this intentionally dubious data mining content exposition, am I supposed to think it's important or not?
>>4133954>Who is the guy on the right of the bottom-left panel?It's a long story. He wrote one, in fact.
>>4134436It's probably for Chapter 6
>>4134425I really don't get the point of Ralsei hiding himself from Asgore just for him to not give a fuck in the end.
>>4134436In Chapter 2 Noelle has a LV 1 title at the start, so she will probably start with a LV 5 title in 6.
>>4134445The point is to get your hopes up while avoiding having Asgore push Ralsei into the light world and reveal his form or lack of one
>>4134423That would be badass. Implying that Noelle in the nr is, to a degree, still repressing or wtv. She's more assertive but fundamentally still the same sweet Noelle when she actually wants to be a psychotic maniac and kill annoying people
>>4134445My best guesses are that>a) Asgore would understand the meaning of copying Asriel's body with Toriel's mannerisms, which is a spoiler>b) There is a link between the Proto Dark World and the shapeshifting Darkner, which is also a spoilerc) It would make Asgore talk about Asriel and their situation beyond vagueposting, and Ralsei don't like when we divert from the script.It's probably due to Asgore's status as an almost knowner - Raly doesn't hide in front of Noelle.
>>4134436The Festival was supposed to be a somethingburger and Noelle was intended to be playable after being absent for so long, but trying to get the dark world version of chapter 5's weird route took too long and Toby got lazy so he pushed it off to chapter 7 instead.
>>4134447How is she LV 5 when she was only around for 1 fountain sealing, and hasn't Gotten Stronger™.
>>4134474LV1 Noelle can become LV2 if you eat moss in front of her, there are no rules
>>4134434>LV5 noelle>still only has 90 hp
>>4134477You know this is just going to get smoothed over in 6/7 whenever she joins, but it'd be funny if it was used for a gag where an enemy jokingly throws a really weak bullet and it instadowns her
>>4134476>tfw no more moss to power up noelle in chapter 6
>>4134478She wouldn't have survived Aqua's first encounter.
>>4134480>Why is Kris a kid again, and why is she throwing knives at me???
>>4134479The power up method this time will be inspecting beds
>>4134483Toby forgot about that gag just like he forgot about the dead pixel and Red Buster.
>>4134480>Noelle and Aqua /ll/Elaborate...
>>4134474Off-screen training arc.>>4134477I assume her HP and stats will only update in Chapter 6.
Why is Kris so emotionall absent during the whole game?I thought it was cause he knew the script, but Ralsei gets surprised by Knight, panics when the Titan appears, etc. So why is Kris so uncaring?
>>4134436I'm pretty sure Toby puts those things in the code just for people to datamine.
>>4134487Because Kris is a FUCKING TRAITOR.
>>4134487The whole game is a ritual sacrifice to save Noelle/Dess. The rest doesn't matter.
>>4134471I disagree with both of these conclusions. The festival being disappointing has been set up since chapter 2 showed us one of the highlights was gonna be a Ferris wheel and then hit us with a Ferris wheel in the dark world bigger than any that could really exist.
>>4134487He does care, its just a bit more subtle and shown differently
>>4134487Kris actually knows the script, unlike Ralsei.
>>4134491Who gives a shit about dess
>>4134492That sounds like a very serious dose of cope.
>>4134487We can't see the emotions of our character when we're playing as them, mother rules.
>>4134487Ralsei doesn't really know the SCRIPT, he knows the mechanics and the lines of the prophecy, and has a sense of the spirit of the rules.
>>4134497>mother rules.We barely see the emotions of the other party members either in those games.
>>4134498The rules are that mages use their offensive spells. He broke them.
>>4134500I have never played an RPG where you're forced to use everything on your spell list regularly otherwise god smites you.
>>4134496In what way? Because I didn't randomly have sky-high bombastic expectations for every plot point introduced when chapter 1 was fresh? I never got that kind of fandom psychosis.
>>4134502No one's gonna smite ralsei, he's lying like a little bitch, because he's just as much of a coward as the people writing him.
>>4134503>implying toby purposely foreshadowed in advance that the festival will be a letdown because schizobabble in chapter 2That is cope.
>>4134505He has an in-universe goal he hopes to achieve by refusing to use those spells. Pacifism is part of the mechanics of Deltarune and he wanted to lean into that.
7B save me...
>>4133919Well there's rpg mechanics actual team based roles each character fits and builds actually matter so yeah.
>>4134506The festival being a letdown was in fact foreshadowed. Because the festival was a real world event being contrasted to the fantasy world event and the direction of the plot was contrasting escapism and reality.
>>4134507Then he has no one to blame but himself for being a pacicuck, after hearing him blatantly lie, I'm no longer interested.
>>4134511Blame for what? Pacifism explicitly didn't change anything. Didn't make it better or worse. It simply was.>but muh pacicucks need to be punished!!!Sorry retard, Undertale didn't punish "pacicucks" and neither will Deltarune.
>>4134510That would be true if any of the characters pointed out or felt the festival was lame and dark worlds are better. I'm getting tired of all interesting readings of deltarune being made up stuff not sustained by the story because the story appears to be less interesting than it was setting itself up to be each passing day.
>>4134513>if the characters don't stop and spell out the themes for me, then the curtains are just blue and the author is stupidYour IQ is room temperature.
>>4134514But the author is stupid. He dedicated his life to telling people who like jrpgs that they shouldn't like that things they like about jrpgs.
>>4134515If the thing you like about JRPGs is unflinching, unthinking obedience to tropes older than the people making the games, you shouldn't like that, correct.
>>4134516Why not, I like the tropes i enjoy them don't take them away
>>4134514Susie literally said she thought the festival was awesome. You're not supposed to think it sucks compared to the escapist fantasy. It sucks because it's just underwhelming for the player
>>4134514If it's not spelled out, you run into the problem of wholeheartedly overanalyzing the game while thinking the creator had everything in mind, then being disappointed when they did not, in fact, have that in mind. I don't think this applies to the festival but generally Toby's games are not very rewarding for that kind of overanalysis
>>4134517You should like tropes for reasons and constantly be seeking more ways to apply those reasons rather than fleeing back to the exact same implementation it had when you were a kid.
>>4134518>the player is the only one that shouldn't be having fun
>>4134519Toby's games are incredibly rewarding for that kind of analysis. Assuming stuff exists for no real textual reason is how you conclude that the genocide route is what Toby thinks you do in every normal RPG.
>>4134512For everything falling apart because he refused to do his job, when there is a jihadi on the loose on their world.
>>4134518What was the point of the Ferris wheel scene in chapter 2 if not to draw a contrast to the Ferris wheel at the festival?>it was just to show le lesbiansI know you froth at the mouth during every Suselle scene but please, don't play dumb.
>>4134522Just like how the explanation for the eyes in Bratty's window was super rewarding, right?
>>4134347>>4134346The door is blue btw. Also you can just go through the blue door after going through the yellow door.There are two interpretations:>Option one, if we simply go by the color, the friendly good way would be the weird route door, implying there's a twist in the weird route as its actually better than the normal route>Option two, you're forced to go through the yellow door (weird route) to access the blue door, so 7B is obligatory to reach the actual ending.
>>4134524Not my fault they were disgusting.
>>4134523Nothing has fallen apart yet. The prophecy is still exactly on track for the horrible tragic ending it was. All he's managed to do is avoid being personally responsible for burning any Darkners to death.
>>4134524To set up Suselle?? Yes, it is to frot up Suselle. It's one of the most important moments between them that establishes they showing each other's feelings for the first time.
>>4134525The visual motif of a lot of eyes in the dark attached to a pair of characters consisting of a cat and a reptile should ring a few bells.
>>4134528He's a cuck then. The fuck you wanna put that in my rpgs, I want my rpg to have its mage use its fire spells, I don't want this to spread.
>>4134529Could've done that with something that didn't directly contrast the festival's events.
>>4134530This is exactly what I mean. The eyes are canonically fucking DONUTS, but you go on thinking it actually means something instead of being a gag that was never meant to go that far. The curtains are actually just blue because of a pun the author wanted to make and you're going to be really disappointed when it is nowhere near that deep.
>>4134531You only learned he had fire spells in chapter 5. Until then he was a perfectly competent healer and you had no issues.
>>4134533What exactly do you think I'm setting myself up for? I don't think this has some deep meaning like "catty is secretly FRIEND". It's just another reinforcement of the connected visual motifs of eyes, cats, and reptiles.
>>4134532It does not contrast exactly but rhymes, but not with literally the ferris wheel itself but the lake scene. One is the first step into their relationship that has its delivery given when they confess their love for each other.
>>4134534Yeah, because he lied I don't appreciate that
Are we really having the same discussion again with the same person who won't change their mind about it?
>>4134537Characters lying to the reader/watcher/listener/player is a natural part of fiction. I've played other games where a character temporarily joins the party and sandbags to hide their abilities.
>play new dragon quest>recruit mage character from the pub>has frizz in spell list>set to follow orders>refuses to use fire spell all game >check dev list>sees Toby FoxThat is the end result of all this.
>>4134534>You only learned he had fire spells in chapter 5
>>4134541I know there were earlier hints, but this is CoL who doesn't believe stories have subtext, and I was right, he didn't.
>>4134535>reptilesPlural? Besides Bratty (who barely counts), what other reptile is associated with eyes?
>>4134542He's also schizophrenic and loves to make up scenarios in his head >>4134540Please just ignore him at this point
>>4134540This would only be bad if it resulted in less mechanical depth because fire as an element creased to exist.Deltarune was never meant to have mechanical depth in that form so nothing was lost.
>>4134543Catti and Jockington as a pair. Jockington's eyes are perpetually hidden, Catti's got yellow eyes with pink highlights in her hair. Another cat-reptile pair, more emphasis drawn to eyes. It's just a visual motif so it's hard to tell what it might mean, it might be as simple as setting them up to be mistaken as FRIEND for a sight gag, but it's something.
>>4134499Yeah, because in UTDR the player only has direct control over the human characters.
>>4134545I could not make up anything more real than Toby 'I'm just tired of traditional ones' FoxI wish that quote was fake
>>4134538yes. leave these threads until the next chapter when the jannies have to let deltarune threads exist on/v/ for two or three days
If Toby doesn't release an Halloween newsletter he might be truly evil.
>>4134549"Tired of traditional" =/= "wants original to stop being made""Tired of traditional" = "wants to see tradition explored and its reasons understood"
>>4134538>WeWho is we? This wouldn't be an issue if his boyfriend would stop replying to every one of the retard's posts.
>>4134445Really funny how "but what if nothing came out of that build up" was the recurring theme of the new chapters.
>>4133423>and rejoice in the wife of your youth, a lovely deer, a graceful doe.What do ya know... that is literally what it says.
>>4134514None of the characters in universe felt disappointed, just the fanbase.
>>4134559but anon, think of the mystery!the whole game has been building up to the epic reveal in ch7 where asriel tells you everything that happened off screen!
>>4134524It is to set up Suselle and their possible future ride which is why it's mentioned later on in the closet when Susie is feeling insecure about it being platonically.
>>4134526The color of the doors clearly represents Kris and Noelle, not that the weird route is secretly good.
>>4134550Yet you remain.
>>4134573But i hate suselle
>>4134577What does that have to do with anything? I hate Pink, but that doesn't change the fact that she's a secret boss
>>4134572>assuming asriel will show up because the game said he wouldI lol'd and lmao'd
>>4134578Someone should change it. And will.
>>4133832Saying that something or someone was "always liberal" is nothing more than a thought terminating cliche.20 years ago, being liberal meant you were against gay marriage.>The cancer has been there for years Chud, why do you care so much?I care because it's progressed from stage 1 to stage 4
krusielle can be good or bad depending on who gets the most focus>susie focus: bad suselle slop trying to compromise with krusie fans>noelle focus: it's slightly better due to kriselle at least, probably made by a yurifag who believes in femkris, kriselle and suselle>kris focus: based krusie and kriselle truther
>>4134577But I did eat breakfast this morning
>>4134579yeah, i was being a bit presumptuous therea more rational take would be ice wolf saying all of that
>>4134586>ice wolf saying all of thatAnd it'd be precisely written to mislead your expectations for the follow up on what he says
>>4134426Not really.
>>4134589of course, toby wouldn't have it any other way
>>4134583shut the fuck up rouxls
>>4134583"Krusielle" is just Suselleslop with Kris as their pet rather than any actual romantic interest.
>>4134425>>4134432What even is Toby's deal with AsgoreHe gets treated like shit by the story and is never allowed to do anything cool and yet everyone loves him and all the females in town are openly attracted to him. What is Toby trying to tell us here?
>>4134594He's eternally a jobber regardless of whether he's the king of an underground of monsters or a former police chief turned flower shopkeeper.
>>4134594toby has daddy issues
>>4134594Toby has just been oddly stingy about giving much spotlight to characters outside of the main cast after chapter 2.Consider how Berdly got more character development and shit to do than the ones actually tied to the more sensitive side of the story like Asgore or Toriel.
>>4134425clicheslop
>>4134594It's funny that Toby made Toriel sleep through all of Chapter 3 and made her a drunken shitty mom he had to write in a band aid so people would stop calling her a shit mom, but Asgore gets actual involvement in the plot and be given justifications for his behavior but he's the hated one
>>4134603toby showed his bias with said toriel bandaid yeah sure you can still chew her out, but the underlying implication always is 'it was kris' fault the prior night happened the way it did'meanwhile i doubt we're seeing asgore again until the finale, where toriel will bitch him out again for being useless
>>4134583>>4134593I thought people here would love haremslop but I guess not.
>>4134607Harems typically have more than 2 girls in the harem bro.
>>4134608Ok let's put in Ralsei in there, boom.
>>4134610You clearly don't understand 4chan, redditxis.
Harem ≠ polyamoury
Multiple people fucking one guy vs multiple people fucking each other
>>4134420>she does like Susie for who she is.This kills the Krisellefag
>>4134607They love Haremslop only when the women love the faceless self insert and not each other.
>>4134425Why do people make shit like this, it isn't even porn.
>>4134607its only good harem if its krusie and kriselle
>>4134487Ralsei watched a retrospective on the prophecy and is a huge fan excited to play the game for the first time, Kris is such a prophecy speedrunner that he's already changed his gender.
>>4134594>all the femalesLiterally only two and all the NPCs like milklooker tink he's weird.
>>4134540play new dragon quest>recruit mage character from the pub>does not have frizz in spell list>set to follow orders>uses heal spell all game>check dev list>sees Toby Fox
>>4134604>it was kris' fault the prior night happened the way it didIt quite literally is>>4134603It's funny how Toriel occasionally being drunk was enough for people to act like she's now worse than Omega Flowey and world-destroyer Chara
>>4133192that's why it's a twist, and kris gets humbled.
>>4134414Would marry one of these stupid whores and handpick the tallest, most muscular and well endowed niggers I can find in the depths of Congo and make them plow these whores daily, I would ensure each of them gives birth to an entire village of mulatto flowers
>>4134590Yes, actually.
>>4134630Flowery...
>>4134625The fandom has a misogynist biasToriel is held to higher scrutiny because she's a woman while Asgore who was written to have neglected his family over his obsession to solve a case is a victim
>>4134631They both forgot Kris was there. I checked.
>>4134635>this is what commie troons actually believe
>>4134637Talking to chuds is so boringyou don't want to have a conversation you just want to yell tranny tranny tranny wah wah wah
>>4134638Why are you even here instead of dilating at /utg/?>you don't want to have a conversationYou already shot the conversation to death and celebrated.
>>4134639Do you care to counter argument what was said or not?
>>4134637I guess we're the ones defending the foid agenda with femKris... Who would've thought...
>>4134603>>4134604Or maybe Toby didn't intend for Toriel to be literally satan but just a flawed mother like he said in the stream so he clarified for autists with a hateboner for her.
>>4134426She still didn't mind hanging out with Susie, which according to people here she should've wanted to behead her immediately.
>>4134650He didn't intend for Spamton to be a cultural phenomenon but that still happened and he even doubled down on that one
>>4134604And Asgore will regress in his hasted development because he was immediately proven wrong for letting go of his obsession, because once he did, the bastard of THAT DAY appeared and took him away, meaning Toriel will be in the right for bitching out on him.
>>4134650well he did a pretty dodgy job of trying to make her flawed when the chapter starts by bailing her out asgore is allowed to be flawed, to the point where we don't actually see what he did wrong, we're only given scenes that are implied to be what he did and he's a bad person because of it meanwhile toriel acts like a cheap whore by getting plastered and fucking a guy she met at most five days prior in front of her own child
>>4134663And Kris is USED to this kind of behavior, Sans has barely been here, which means Toriel is literally the town bike and she's done this with plenty of other men prior.
>>4134636huh? noelle tells susie to go pick kris
>>4134665servantsie
>>4134663>meanwhile toriel acts like a cheap whore by getting plastered and fucking a guy she met at most five days prior in front of her own childI'm noticing some of your personal cuck fetish leak into your interpretation of that scene
>>4134663>>4134664You know they didn't actually have sex, right?
>>4134665I was thinking of NR but instead of admitting that I'm going to double down and say you're a transgender for disagreeing with me
>>4134667>divorced woman being a slut>cuck fetishjeet or koreancall it
>>4134668There might not be any proof that they had sex but there's also no proof that they DIDN'T have sex.
>>4134668literally? no toby doesn't have the ballsbut it was clearly the implication, just like the rose scene being noelle raping kris ch4 is weirdly sexual now that i think about it
>>4134671>victim complex where any foid not interested in Kris means the player is being raped and cuckedI'm tempted to say jeet since that's the default but I'm leaning toward korean this time around.
>>4134668Even if not literal sex, because Toby doesn't want to bump the game's rating, it's more than likely meant to be an allusion to it, because the whole situation reeks of the very particular mindset of a middle-aged party girl single mother who's desperate to recapture that magic spark from her teen/young adult years with a new "the one" while indulging in drinks and merriment along the way because she's unshackled from marriage and forgot how good it feels to be a free spirit.
>>4134668Tell that to the crybabies that bullied Toby to removing the ch.4 weird route flower.
>>4134663Kris lying about being locked out is on character, he wanted Susie in the church, toby should just have put a clue before so in ch5 doesn't feel jarring
MomNtr and it's consequences have been a disaster for Toriel discourse.
Ralsei with the darkner who annoys him more than anyone vs Ralsei with a socially inept lightnerwhy didnt he heal berdly up?
>>4134673>just like the rose scene being noelle raping kris>"people" freaked out because they thought it was kris raping noelle>doesn't give a shit when it's the other way around
>>4134677Never happened. No one cried about the flower implying rape, Twitter and Reddit were in denial that it was something else./v/ was the ONLY place that clocked that Toby was writing a rape scene, even if it was mistakenly believed that Noelle was the raped because we didn't have Chapter 5's context.
>>4134669i mean that was the original conversation lmao, well i need to also call you a tranny too so we're even
>>4134682>trying this hard to revise historyywnbaw
>>4134681just your typical double standards when it comes to violence against women and violence against (perceived) menbut us knowers knewwe've known since before most people even had an inkling of what's really going on
>>4134684Show me posts from people on Twitter and Reddit crying about the flower implying a rape scene, and they HAVE to be from before the update.
>>4134673>but it was clearly the implication
>>4134682Go back
>>4134681toby was so uncaring for not patching the 'you can't say stop' line, i feel raped
Kris is a woman because she reacts like a woman to being raped.
>>4134688See>>4134686
>>4134676I guess Toby's intent can mean anything I want if I project hard enough
>>4134679normal people can comprehend that toriel isn't worse than satan for drinking some alcohol and hanging out with somebody after spending 24/7 working as a teacher and sitting for the rest of the day while trusting that susie could keep kris safe if anything went awryit's the traumatized fags with shitty abusive parents who project and say that toriel is a child beater who breaks wine bottles on kris' head for fun just because toriel drank some alcohol
>>4134681>>4134682>>4134685It's ok if Noelle does it because by that point Kris has coerced her into so many other things. This is not the equal situation you are attempting to portray it as.
>>4134696Kris didn't do anything, I did. If anything she should rape me.
Toriel rape-drunken me
>>4134696kris was the one who always said 'stop'noelle was the one that forced her anyways
>>4134690They become world-threatening, backstabbing traitors?
>>4134701Yes, happened to my childhood friend once.
taking the dark fountain stuff our for a sec, was there any reason for toriel to assume that undyne would knock on her door? all she said on the phone is that someone broke her car's tires, so for all she knew, undyne prob just checked the wheels and looked around in the woods to see if there was any traces of someone, it was nighttime so its fair to assume that maybe undyne wouldnt have wanted to wake toriel up at 3 am (in the hypothetical case that there was no dark fountain)
>>4134699>words are trannyOh my fucking kek
>>4134680Ralsei, but especially Susie as seen in the festival, doesn't want Berdly anywhere close to the fuck gang status
>>4134700>proceed x 100 >NOOOOOO YOU DON'T GET IT, KRIS USED TO SAY STOP SOMETIMES WHEN THEY FROLICKED ABOUT AS CHILDREN
>>4134701have i ever told you the tragedy of reccoa londe?i thought not, it's an old anime legend
>>4134704Anon how fucking dumb are you, or are you so sheltered that you've never been in a situation that involved the cops coming to your house?
>>4134708>noelle will force the first handful of prosneeds until kris has to say it to stop them from drowning wow
>>4134704I don't remember Toriel saying that she would wait undyne, just to come check her house if there was someone, but it was so long i don't really remember
>>4134708Those previous proceed was the typical Kris prank, she just took it a bit too serious
>>4134711>>4134713>no no no you don't get it, watch this *does a mental backflip*Alright but Kris was still definitely the rapist in early WR
>>4134719is that why noelle shut the blinds and kept moving towards kris despite the later continuously backing away?
>>4134719No that's the Soul.
>>4134722It's Kris' soul>uh actually my finger pulled the trigger, not me
>>4134719>>4134724why should kris get the credit for mindraping noelle? I did it, Noelle is mine, and soon Kris and Ralsei will be too.
>>4134672>>4134673>>4134676Toriel says in 5 Kris should've joined them, it's not sex. It's just partying, something that was already established in 1.
>>4134724The Soul is not Kris's, since it has a mind of it's own (us).We RAPED Kris and Noelle and soon we will RAPE EVERYONE and leave.
>>4134682Stay here.
>>4134725Why should you get the credit for defeating Sephiroth? Cloud did it.
>>4134727>Kris should've joined them, it's not sex. It's just partying
>>4134731without us cloud wouldve lost
>>4134731You joke, but the entire deltarune fanbase thinks this way, something about jrpgs bad and you do nothing in them.
>>4134719(You) are the rapist.
>>4134685Feels good being part of the knowers that understood Toby's intentions of Kris being THE ultimate raped.
>>4134731The player isn't diagetic in FF7.
The Player saved everyone in Earthbound btw.
>>4134740Right, the characters just naturally knew all the secret extra content I had them do after needing to read it in a guide
>>4134740Don't you know, Toby wants to aCtUaLlY tHiNk in every rpg game you play from now on!
>>4134741according to toby fox and his earthbound halloween hack, you failed to save ness and you were forced to kill everybody as varik but ackstually you werent forced to and this makes you evil because toby believes "ermm why didn't you close the game then, chud?", so in his eyes you're actually le evil
>>4134746Reminder that every single person in this thread wants this in every single rpg. And they all cry and scream like women when I call out this cancer.
>>4134742Yes, not evert game is a metagame like Toby's games my man.
>>4134748That's not what Toby said.
>>4134747Wow, even WE raped you.
>>4134746deltarune will have the same message too, prophecy mindcontrolled susie will be approaching kris with her axe raised and ralsei will blurt out "PLAYER YOU GOTTA HOLD ESC SO THAT THE FINAL PROPHECY DOESN'T HAPPEN!!!" and when you do the chapter 7 credits will play and see susie and noelle laughing with each other in the qc's bar while kris watches from outside and susie will say "man, who wouldve known that the player was the sole reason for why most of the tragedies happened? if... the player had left earlier, maybe tenna and flowery wouldnt have been..." then noelle speaks up "when you play a videogame, the tragedies only occur when you walk to the cutscene trigger, if you didn't, then it'd mean that everyone will get to live forever and after!", then susie says "man, i should quit jrpgs forever then, sad shit always happens in those, i suppose itd be a happier ending than doing either the good or bad route. i'm just glad OUR player listened to reason, right my love?" and then susie and noelle kiss each other and the ending screen says "THE END: Good Ending, Thank you for watching my dream!"
>>4134719Yes ch2 Kris was a rapist but Noelle rape attempt was stronger therefore the rape balance goes in her favor, after all it was just a thorn compared to lake sex
>>4134728nta, but the soul is Kris's, but it's also true that we control it. It's like if Kris gave us his knife and we used it to stab someone. It's still Kris's knife that pierced that person, even if it wasn't Kris's fault.
I sealed death in persona 3, i pressed the button, why i'm not the one in the door
>>4134752Turn that fucker into sashimi.
>>4134755because kimi no kioku
>>4134752This ending would rape me.
>>4134750You support terrorists that want me dead, as far as I'm concerned I don't have to respect you.
>>4134746Halloween Hack is you damage controlling for the protagonist's massive fuckup actually, peepee.exe says Varik's very existence is the reason Ness and friends didn't return to their original timeline, thus kickstarting Andonuts' downward spiral into insanity. Without you, Varik would never be able to stop Andonuts' monsters from killing more people, nor would you be able to put him out of his misery.
>>4134762>peepee.exe says Varik's very existence is the reason Ness and friends didn't return to their original timelineis there an explanation for why that is?
>>4134763He's an anomaly, someone who's not supposed to exist in that world, because he's a character from Brandish and not Earthbound.
>>4134762>peepee.exeWhat a visionary
>>4134752What version of Undertale did you play where the final message was>the state of the characters right now in your specific save file is what really matters!
>>4134767Flowey literally tells you "stop playing le game... let frisk be happe" if you open up the game again after closing it once the True Pacifist credits roll.
>>4134767its backed by toby speaking in interviews about how earthbound halloween hack is about how you can only go forward and how le only option is to quit, and undertale has flowey telling you to close the game, what makes you think that deltarune wont follow this writing pattern?
>>4134772Because he assuredly doesn't want to be remembered as a hack
>Dragon Quest FUCKING ONE humors the illusion of player choice with "but thou must">apparently we need an entire cavalcade of talentless hacks echoing this fact but for the span of entire games and franchisesHuh?
>>4134769That's just a warning in line with the game's actual themes. You already saw one of the most extreme endings, anything else there is to do will be diminishing returns. If you legitimately feel good just because the characters feel good then you've already experienced the peak.>>4134772EBHH's point wasn't "bad things happen because the player is here therefore the player shouldn't be here".Nor was Undertale's.So why would it be in Deltarune?
>>4134781Because he was RAPED when Deltarune wasn't a by-the-books JRPG adventure like he thought it'd be and now he thinks it's a hate message to players like him who enjoy JRPGs because apparently it's Toby's fault that FF7R in all its shittiness decided to subvert Aerith's death, and not the fact that Aerith's death is so famous of a moment in gaming that it wouldn't be shocking to reach the part where she gets killed, even for players who've never actually played FF7 before in any capacity.
>>4134781Why would it? Because the entire of the game has been dedicating itself to not telling me anything punishing me whenever I do something, and making characters who if they know I exist, are either terrified of me or hate me. And the game has not let up since. When does the game let up and let me get something for myself?
>>4134775"But thou must" is what breaks the illusion of player choice. There is only one plot and the most you can ever expect to do by saying "no" is skip some part of it.
>>4134783lots of assumptions there pal
>>4134784If the game didn't want you to know anything or do anything it could just be a black screen. If the game didn't want your input it could progress without you. Stop being hyperbolic and explain your actual issue.
>>4134783It doesn't matter if it's famous, you have a job to do, which is to remake Final Fantasy 7. In final fantasy 7, Aerith is stabbed through the back by Sephiroth at the forgotten capital while Cloud watches helplessly. Which inadvertently leads to his own demise and the world's salvation from Meteor.
>>4134789>If the game didn't want you to know anything or do anything it could just be a black screenWhich it does on multiple occasions. Remember all the hype for the festival and the ferris wheel? lmao get black screens>If the game didn't want your input it could progress without you.You mean like how you literally aren't necessary for the game until Chapter 7 unless it's for collecting Shadow Crystals and Eggs since you can skip directly to Chapter 7 once it's out, therefore meaning any of "your" moments never actually meant anything?
>>4134793"Nothing" means "no dialogue and no actions". You still get information. Your presence is still required for each chapter to progress beyond one dialogue box. Being denied something that was never shown or intended to be shown is not a loss, it is not the game taking something from me.
>>4134789My issue is the filler dark world in chapter 5 and how my reward for sitting through the suselle shite was, instead of making actual progress, it was a punishment for walking a few arbitrary steps.My issue is how Susie gets to get the shelter codes instead of me without even trying.That is my issue, it is ruining the game experience for me, and it bothers me more than any game ever has.
>>4134797No, it's Toby rubbing his stinking balls on your (yes, YOUR) face while laughing in Japanese.
John the Apostle would've written a better roaring for his Deltarune. The only reason why Toby the hack can go unpunished is because John isn't around anymore to call him out for ripping off the book of revelation.
>>4134798>That is my [SUSIE], [she] is ruining the game experience for me, and [she] bothers me more than any [character] ever has.At last I truly see...
>>4134798Actual progress is going from chapter 1 to chapter 7.Everything that happens within that is bullshit.Same with every other game you've ever played. Yes, all of them. Collecting the macguffins and sealing the demons was just setting story flags to put you into the next phase of the game.
>>4134802you see the power of making strawmans out of anons who dont like your fav shitty dev?
>>4134804I am filled with the power of strawnmans...!Get me the Roaring Fraud right now
>>4134803Wrong. If fragments can be missed for long sections of the game and the game goes on until you need to actually get them, and some islands can be done out of order, you're lying.
>>4134787He's talking about CoL
>>4134801You're jewish.
>>4134808So optional content is bad, but content you can ignore until much later than when it was initially unlocked (thus invalidating any statistical challenge or advantage it could supply) is good, all in the name of proving that you really have an impact on the game world and aren't just progressing through a fixed set of story states?
>>4134811Can I make the shit sequences of chapter 4 and 5 optional?
>>4134813You can. In fact you can make the entire game aside from Chapter 7 optional because of the fact you'll someday be able to start from Chapter 7 without requiring any prior completion data.
>>4134814So why waste all this time on this? How can this pretentious foreigner do something like this and demand the whole world worship him for it?If I want to play as the hero in a by-the-books JRPG adventure that I paid for with my money, who is he to take that away?
Filling Aqua with power...
>>4134814i do have to ask, what is the purpose of the chapter select anyways?all it does is incentivize people to just skip to the last one, as clearly the rest of them don't matter because they're optional
>>4134814>you'll someday be able to start from Chapter 7 without requiring any prior completion data.Not in the weird route though
>>4134823You mean the "PLAYER YOU'RE LITERALLY HITLER, FUCK YOU" route that only exists to punish you for not being a good cuck who obeys the prophecy?
>>4134821https://deltarune.com/cheatsheet/>My goal is that if someone wants to casually replay a Chapter from scratch, or if they start playing on a brand-new platform, there's no hurdle to jumping back into the game. Normally, it would be really discouraging to have to start a long game like this over from the beginning... I hope this encourages many players to play more lightheartedly.
>>4134821so that people who played the previous chapters years ago can jump back into it, and so that people dont have to replay the entire game all over again just to get to a specific chapter they like, thats like asking why half life 2 gives you a chapter select
>>4134819Kris wouldn't rape themselves
>>4134828>I hope this encourages many players to play more lightheartedly.Why is Toby larping as a Japanese man?
>>4134821Deltarune is made in gamemaker which was not intended to ever hold so much spaghetti code at once, so every chapter is standalone. I suppose that the chapters could've been tied to your save file, but being able to pick them right away is nice. You could've done the same with a bit of save editing if the chapters were locked so it's not like you couldn't skip to the last chapter if you bothered to do so.>>4134810I just want to slay the dragon as God intended. But Tobers will subvert the game and turn Kris into a dragon and then I'll go to Deltarune hell instead.
>>4134828>>4134829No wonder there's been less and less emphasis on your choices actually doing anything, watch the Shadow Crystals amount to literally nothing of value aside from an easy mode item that you don't need because the game is already silently making itself easier every time you lose to a boss.
>>4134833>I just want to slay the dragon as God intendedThere is no divine decree as to what shape fiction should take.
>>4134826What route are you talking about? Disobeying the prophecy is one of the ACTUAL goals of the game and the weird route looks closer to achieving that than the normal route.
>>4134836No but I do have a wallet and a brain that decides what enters my house and what doesnt.
>>4134828>ohohoho I made Susie collect the mcguffins by accident while the players sit through the cuck scenes, how lighthearted
>>4134838And if your brain is running on low enough capacity that you feel like "slay the dragon" is one of the things you should always be able to do, I think you are borderline retarded.
>>4134840What if I want to? What if I like it? What if I like the idea of playing as the hero and going on a traditional fantasy adventure? Who are you to take it away from me?
>>4134843Why would I be taking it away from you? I'm telling you that enforcing this mold on random games never meant to fit it is retarded. Deltarune was never meant to be a straightforward JRPG adventure where you play the hero and defeat the evil.
>>4134834fun fact, if the secret bosses were already beaten once, their shadow crystals and weapons/armors will appear on the castle town glory hole from the cliffs on the left meaning you could do an entire second playthrough without meeting the schizo bosses and without giving susie character development from fighting gerson while still reaping the shit you sowed in another timeline, so either susie's ch4 development is gonna be irrelevant, or, optimistically speaking, things will actually change in chapter 7 if you didnt do those things
>>4134837It's not, you aren't allowed to disobey for shit. Ralsei fears you because of the chaos you could bring, Kris hates your guts for trying, and Susie just retard rampages through everything which just means the prophecy comes to pass anyway.Your goal is to "create a new future", which can happen even if the prophecy plays out as intended, because the prophecy probably doesn't account for the "what comes after the prophecy is fulfilled?" of the story or else the prophecy is literally never-ending by design.
why does ralsei still get character development even when i do everything in my power to prevent him from learning anything and even told him to keep smiling? wasnt toby supposedly a god who always predicted the player's actions according to the fandom?
>one clarification next chapterToby does know that Mother 3, the game he’s copying with this structure of the-last-part-of-the-journey-is-the-longest, didn’t vaguepost and meander as much as he has, right? Nothing’s going to retroactively make me like the bad parts of Chapter 5, it’s just going to make me say “finally, we’re getting somewhere”.
>>4134848He forgot
>>4134848Predicting and allowing your actions are two different things. Ralsei's arc was never fully downstream of your actions as a player.
>>4134848Your choices don't matter, remember?
>>4134845Yet this is the game that gets all the attention, all the praise, and all the cash. If you don't enforce said mold, said game doesn't exist, because nothing can fit in the mold if there is no mold.
>>4134849The goal probably isn't to make you like the bad parts of ch5. That would be dumb. I think people overstate how much of the story has been hidden from us. We don't exactly know what's relevant and how much, but we have a good idea of a lot of information.
>>4134854The player doesn't have the authority to enforce a mold at all, and players who are deluded enough to think they have a say in it make themselves unhappier.
What really made me lose faith was Ralsei talking about the Chapter 1 ribbon regardless of if you made somebody wear it or picked it up at all
>>4134849he's planning on the epic reveal being good enough that you forget that he bungled the entire journey getting thereunfortunately for him, i really doubt he has the chops to actually pull it off at this point
>>4134852but it doesnt make sense, i can choose to never go into ralsei's room and be an asshole to him at every turn and he still grows a spine>>4134853the fact that the game has to ignore your choices even happened in the first place already proves that philosophy to be bullshit, might as well remake the quote into "your choices don't matter if i say they don't" instead
>>4134857Toby didn't want to go back and touch Chapter 1 again to set up a flag in order to match the quality of detail upkeep from Undertale and early Deltarune because his fucked up wrist prevents him from doing anything meaningful anymore, please understand.
>>4134859Because him growing a spine was dependent on the events of the story you had no say in.
>>4134860why can't toby just update his shit already? it's clear he wants to remake his sprites considering how chapter 5 has noelle's sprites constantly go off-model like in the suselle scene and how her face shrinks and shit when susie picks her up
>>4134856Someone has to, then. Someone else then. I want my traditional rpgs back, where I play as a hero with party memebers that are loyal to me and support me on my adventure to fight the evil. That is what I want in my games, how dare you take that away from me?
>>4134863such as? and why doesnt stuff like me telling him to stay on task or keep smiling have no effect? you can even avoid going into his room so that he doesnt learn any self worth lessons
>>4134866Because he's lazy
>>4134864Because if he starts going back and changing shit, that distracts from actually completing the full rest of the game.He could've updated and fixed shit if we ONLY had the Chapter 1 demo, much like how the Ruins got pretty significantly altered between demo and full, sure, but the merch sales were too good for his not-even-two week old demo, so he decided to cash in on episodic releases to put Ralsei plushies in more gay little outfits and make more garbage merch of quirk chungus darkners.
>>4134867the same guy who made 90 neutral run endings for his side project known as undertale cant do shit for his dream game??
>>4134868>Because if he starts going back and changing shit, that distracts from actually completing the full rest of the game.we're getting chapter by chapter releases, why can't he just dedicate some time to the older chapters? its still gonna take years, and nothing is gonna be worse than the wait between ch1 and 2
>>4134865Now you finally get it. It was never within your authority to do what you kept saying Deltarune should let you do. What you need is another developer who actually intends to make straightforward JRPGs.Unfortunately the big companies don't wanna do that anymore, and enthusiasts likely won't satisfy your demands either, because an enthusiast's dream story is almost never LESS complicated than its inspiration.
>>4134855Even if Chapter 7 is 20 hours long it’s still ridiculous that we’re being kept in the dark on shittons of things 5/7(?) chapters in. We knew about the six human souls and why they were being collected in Undertale’s midgame.
>>4134866Progressing through the prophecy and meeting characters like Gerson and Flowery.>why do my actions have no effect?They still have an effect, just not the one you specifically are positing they "should".
>>4134872He could crack open RPG Maker right now and make his Dragon Quest-like dream game, but he won't, because that takes effort, and effort can only be spent bitching and crying about things he hates.
>>4134872>your favorite kind of games are totally not being subverted by a man with a full government name>buuuuuuut if they are you shouldn't complain about it you actually deserve nothing and you shouldn't have had those games in the first placeI enforce the jrpg mold on a jrpg, what a shock, what else would I enforce it on?
>>4134873We didn't know that determination was a literal substance and the setting's chemical X by that point, though, which sheds a much different light on what the human souls are meant to achieve. We didn't know what Flowey's deal was or what he was trying to achieve beyond maybe being ex-royal and fucking with the player. We didn't know a thing about the first fallen human.
>>4134819>>4134831I would rape them both.
>>4134876You enforce the basic bitch mold of what a normalfag would describe as the plot of a JRPG on everything that makes you think it should be a JRPG.Someone who makes a game because they love games is not going to make a simpler game than the ones he loves.
>>4134828I really find it funny how Toby constantly tells us to not care that hard about the game.
>>4134848It's too important to depend on your actions.
>>4134879Because if I don't I don't know what I want anymore. The mold, that is what I want. I use it so I can try and find what I want.
>>4134877We knew determination was important because of Flowey's dialogue in the RUINS iirc.
>>4134875Not my job to make games.
Schizo shit aside, Deltarune does give a wrong impression of rpgs. There are no enemy types you need to specialise your build for (except the dark shart thingy that gives 10% extra damage to RK and Titan-adjacent stuff iirc) and there's no strategy other than spamming rude buster and/or spare. 5-10 years from now, the western "rpg" audience will think rpg battles needs to be made for toddlers and that the main appeal is chasing retro graphics and 4th wall breaks.
one good thing about AI is that it'll apply divine punishment upon pretentious hacks like toby fox and will run them out of a job and ai will give us good shit that has what i want in my games and i will no longer have to put up with egocentrical twitter artists or pretentious game devs who hate jrpgs and want to groom little kids into pacicuckoldry anymore because their privileged asses will have to sleep on the streets and will no longer bother society with their bullshit anymore
>>4134883Yeah, but we didn't know it was a literal extractable liquid that coursed through a person's existence and could be applied to other beings. We only learn that from True Lab.
>>4134886Ai doesn't make games, it can hardly maintain a script in between prompts, consistently forgetting details.
>>4134885It's not Deltarune's fault the modern audience hates playing videogames and wants to consume the derivative subversive parody before the normal thing. Toby has said multiple times his influences and that people should play them
>>4134885deltarune rpgs are like basic cookie cutter rpgs with barebones while also leading people to never want to play any rpgs because they're not like muh deltarune and have le numbers and le constant enemy encounters and shiiieet, same syndrome as mario rpg fans not liking any rpg that doesnt have mario in it, we need better rpg gateway entries
>>4134888but it'll evolve, and it'll cleanse the pretentious bastards off for good
>>4134889>>4134890Well, which one is it? Does he love JRPGs and want people to go play the ones that inspired him, or does he actually hate the whole genre and want to destroy it so Dragon Quest flops and dies forever after 12 makes zero sales due to not being like muh Deltarune?
>>4134882That is completely schizophrenic. No genre is defined by a story template and your tastes being limited to a story template means what you want is probably unrelated to games.
>>4134891Being able to establish good fundamental gameplay more easily will only make people more eager to subvert and explore the rules.
>>4134893It's my entertainment. I want my tastes to be reflected in my entertainment instead of going out of my way to play the thing that everyone else likes even if something like that has nothing to do with what I like.
>>4134892The first one. Look at how badly you can misinterpret Undertale if you don't have a decent grounding in other video games and an understanding that Toby does as well.
>>4134878Noelle...
>>4134896The third option is to pick your entertainment based on whether it looks entertaining to you rather than acting like you're rooted in place in the games you already like and must change them to fit your tastes.
>>4134899What's the difference
>>4134890The death of Final Fantasy's relevance has been a tragedy for JRPGs as a medium
>>4134905Final Fantasy died with IX, the last great FFFFX was okay
>>4134892second one, theres a lot of evidence towards ithttps://meloshantani.wordpress.com/2013/05/25/toby-foxs-undertale-dev-2-dev-interview-1/>Toby: I love JRPGs but I am very, very tired of “traditional” ones.
>>4134897>>4134907Guess we'll never know which viewpoint is the correct one...
>>4134678People really should have known better than to feel bad for this faggot. I'm glad he got cucked and I hope things get worse for him.
>>4134909ah, yes, what a conundrum, which side could be right? the side glazing toby and saying "if you hate toby you dont understand him ree"? or the side actually digging into interviews and quotes to back up why toby is a hack
>>4134678There WAS a clue, the fact he literally sneaks through a window in Chapter 2.The WAIT just made people completely forget that fact, because the game was designed to be played over the course of a weekend where all these details will be fresh in your head, not a session or two over the course of a literal goddamned decade with inconsistent release years.
>>4134913she sneaks in/ out of a window because she's trying to be discreet and not be seen doing sketchy shit
>>4134907>Toby: I love RPGs but I am tired so I'll do my spin on it>schizo: TOBY FOX HATES RPGS HATES RPGS HATES RPGS HE DESPISES THE GENRE AND WANTS IT TO DIEToby has played more RPGs than you ever will in your life
>>4134914But it's still proof Kris was never locked out, and the fact you can even make Kris complain about it is a mere retard check.
>>4134909No, it's pretty obvious if you don't assume Toby's lying through his teeth about everything he ever played.
>>4134917how so? kris opens the window from inside and leaves it open for the returnyour argument should be that kris knows how to break into houses because she had helped noelle do so numerous times in the past, according to her
>>4134916yeah, he only plays a lot to know exactly how to ruin them, because he wants everything to be a subversive communist jew-killing shitfest like mother 3
I love how Kris constantly sparks the he/she pronoun wars. I think Kris is a she btw
>>4134920You don't even like videogames
>>4134727Kris pulling their pillow over their head while trying to sleep was oddly evocative I think that's the closest Toby gets to evoking the image of sex given the age rating
>>4134921there are no wars nowwe've entered an uneasy truce where you can refer to kris as he or she and nobody spergs out anymore this is the best and healthiest way of dealing with this btw
>>4134927But... I love war
>>4134927I believe like 10 years from now once Deltarune has been over it'll be more like the Undertale-focused fandom where it's very chill because the hysterical children are elsewhere
>>4134916i have, i played chrono trigger, final fantasy, live a live, dragon quest, fire emblem, lufia, secret of mana, Illusion of Gaia, soul blazer, etc. toby got nothing on me
Undertale gold Undertale green Undertale aqua Undertale blue Undertale orange Undertale Seth Undertale red Undertale pink
>>4134933I'd give it 20, unlike Undertale where the game went from a demo to a full game in like 3 years, we've had a full decade to WAIT on this one, there's gonna be a lot more parasocial schizo grudges like CoL.
>>4134920He plays a lot because he loves them, subversion is something you do to games you like too.
>>4134938the chill fandom ARE the people who point out deltarune's fans, just like how the undertale yellow fans who dont like the ending are governing just fine, once deltarune dries up in popularity, we'll finally get to be the mainstream opinion
>>4134939subversion is different from tearing down
>>4134939he subverts because he's TIRED of jrpgshe doesn't like 'em anymore, he wants 'em gone, he bastardizes perfectly good classic stories like influencing ff7r so that aerith and sephiroth realize they're in hit game final fantasy 7 to subvert their own fates
>>4134942And Deltarune is subversion, not tearing down.
>>4134943He subverts because he's tired of JRPGs going the way they're "supposed to" because they just do. He wants to explore the reason things happen the way they do and how else the mechanics and structures might be used to deliver character.
>>4134944NTA but is it? We're still gearing up to fight the Godhead/Prophecy. We're still chasing the overpowered henchman that may or may not be a missing relative. We're still having the usual rogue/fighter/mage party. We're still having the girl next door with healing powers.
>>4134927NOOOO, you must instantly correct anyone who calls Kris "he" or "him"!https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Fswsif9_NIc
>>4134946Yeah. Each of those plot elements has some spin on it that places strain on the role it would have in a "standard" JRPG. I think that's a pretty clear sign of subversion.
>>4134937You're forgetting one...
>>4134921Kris being born with literally no genitals whatsoever is the only scenario whatsoever where I can accept him being a "nonbinary".
>>4134921How do they even pee though?
>>4134945This is a excellent time to chime inand have this exact discussion.Even if you're completely correct, subverting them with meta themes is so boring. What every indie show out there is doing is meta themes (show about playing videogames! videogame about playing videogames! oooo cartoon show whose inspiration is previous cartoon shows) and Depression. Soon there's going to be a Toby Fox for Toby Fox and he'll play out his own cliched stories.
>>4134954Many indie works are doing meta themes because meta themes are in fact a trend. That doesn't mean meta themes are inherently bad or lazy. Nor is depression. I know you think the only thing Undertale and Deltarune do to subvert the standard for RPGs is be self aware but that's a simplification.
>>4134954It's worth remembering Toby conceptualized Deltarune like in 2013 when meta concepts weren't that popular
>>4134933>>4134938Can't wait to see gen alpha dunk on zoomer retards and calling their shit uncslop.
>>4134887That's not that big of a leap to make if you know fiction in general but fair enough.
>>4134909CoL vs anti-CoL, who wins?
>>4134956>That doesn't mean meta themes are inherently bad or lazyThey are if the reason you're making them is "I have no other life experiences to draw on besides the entertainment I've played".
>>4134921That Kris is naked, MOOOOOOOODS!!!!>>4134926Yeah but it's not actual literal fucking, just a loud party.
>>4134951Undertale SHIT.
>>4134933Where does this mythical Undertale exclusive fandom reside? Everywhere is filled with Deltarune children.
>>4134921How the fuck did Kris PROCEED with that???
>>4134941Deltarune is NOT your shitty fangame and it isn't going to be hated like it was, give it up.
>>4134962>"I have no other life experiences to draw on besides the entertainment I've played"Wow Toby you're in the thread holy shit? Can you please spoil us what color of panties Noelle wears?This is a really stupid statement let alone judge the game not by its contents but by its inspiration you disapprove
>>4134966Anon, Kris is the RAPED.
>>4134968Name one good anything with a meta story, then, if you're so certain its good.Even in Undertale people rewrite the meta elements as a more general message towards pacifism.
>>4134966>>4134969Kris still has an anus and a cute butt.
>>4134971Mother 2
>>4134971OFFThe Stanley ParableMGS2
>>4134885i would say that if the fans actually bothered playing it instead of watching tiktoks or just consume fanart kekw
I remember when fourth wall and self aware "humor" was the trend
>>4134984Sans my beloved...
>>4134984The trend nowadays is to not watch anything just consume out of context clips and pretend to be a fan or a hater on twitter/instagram/tiktok
>>4134989and 4channel
>>4134945What if someone likes JRPGS going the way they're supposed to go?
>>4134991You play the games you like and ignore the games you don't like
>>4134993>You play the games you like and ignore the games you don't likeWHAT IS THIS SORCERYMODS, BAN THIS MAN
mmmm yum yum yum yum yum
>>4134998LINK BUT BLUE.
>>4134998LINK.HE COME TO TOWN.TO [WeirdRouteJingle.wav]THE DOE NOELLE.
>>4135002it all come back to Link But Blue
>>4134989Yup. If something is longer than 30 seconds, it's a non-watch, non-play, non-read. Just consoom clips and 10 hour essays that say nothing but make for great background noise.
>carol gives kris a phone call saying that noelle is looking forward to going out with him for the festival in chapter 4>kris becomes completely mindbroken from this point forward for chapter 5 when he was still semi-silly during the chapter 4 dark worldCan anyone explain this?
>>4135013He knew he was fucked, because much like how he knows when Chapter 3 ends so he can safely enter the shelter dark world without (You) being privy to his meeting with Knight, he knew this meant that he'd potentially be going to Chapter 7B soon.
>>4135013Kris is broken by the fact Noelle isn't disturbed by what happened and wants to hang out with him more over it.
>>4134971Undertale itself, for one.The people who rewrite the meta elements either failed to understand them or, more charitably, are unwilling to try and touch on those themes in an uninteractive medium like fan art. Either way, Undertale's message is asinine if you ignore the meta stuff.
>>4135013See >>4135014 Kris having foreknowledge of what’s about to happen is very likely
>>4135013toby wrote a NTR protagonist so Kris decided to stay in all day, i hope mods fix this egregious decision of no kriselle festival
>>4135014>he knew this meant that he'd potentially be going to Chapter 7B soon.He should have seen it coming the moment the bird got frosted.
>>4134971Bad End Theater
>>4135019He also should've known that siding with Knight would only lead to problems, but he's not very smart at the end of the day.
>>4135018Said mod should change all instances of "they/them" to "he/him" while he's at it.
>>4135026Sharty meme but it fits the occasion
>>4134998Noelle should have been in Malon's outfit instead.
>>4135029never forget how they get a melty over the gendered kris mod existing but let transfem ralsei mods pass by just fine
>>4135035Not to mention that they make disingenuous posts like >>4134669, >>4134683 and >>4134638 to pretend that no one but le chuds are seething.
STORY BY TOBYGAME BY ANDREW
>>4135066And the music?
>>4135013It was an act of spite.
>>4135070Music by Toby we swear even though they redid the songs 300 times after release and they all sound different from the concepts and it just doesn't feel the same. Andrew isn't hijacking Toby's project to shill their own compositions we swear. STORY BY TOBY, PROGRAMMING BY ANDREW.
Kris should just marry Noelle. All her teenage drama issues would end immediately if he did that.
>>4135074well, we know some songs are the samelike how he just copy pasted the village battle theme from little town hero into deltarune and just slapped in the don't forget motifboom, new song
>>4132257Exactly. Toby’s a pretentious hack who hates video games and the people who play them.
>>4132257Deltarune's themes have always been about the nature of playing video games and the fact that it is a video game about video games was the interesting part of its angle as far back as chapter 1. Get your head out of your ass.
>>4135187Where Robert gets his head out of his.
>>4132257Deltarune still has god-tier music and only the most contrarian of schizos will try to dispute it.
>>4135189a shame ch5's is the weakest of the lot
"Scarlet Forest", am I right?
>when the unfinished version of the song is more emotional then what we got https://youtu.be/ohBLWsjZD4w
>>4135198Should've been the credits song
what if the weird route makes noelle be meta replaced with a new character for the entire game?
>>4134921I like loli Kris (best Kris btw)
>>4135203Weird Route’s skipping right to 7B anon.
>>4135198imagine getting mogged by yourself 10 years agowhatever that song was originally intended for, i guarantee it was far more relevant that just another area theme
>>4135205yeah, like, after completing 7B, noelle is replaced with a new character for the entire game in future routes since the original noelle broke free
>>4135203It's more likely Noelle is just gonna die Spamton NEO style.
>>4135208Too much effort, requires Toby to actually go back and modify Chapter 1, which he won't ever do, even if it still has antiquated details like the target system.You'll get an altered final scene just like in Undertale where le consequences of yuor actions will be reminded, and that's it.
I'm starting to think ERAM looks like Child Kris when not hiding in the dark.
>>4135234Not to mention Aqua herself has some connections to fire.
>>4135235
>>4135234>Translating: I'm a fatass and I need more lolis to sate my thirst
>>4135236>>4135237Yes!
>>4135237i need more fatass lolis to sate my thirst!
>>4135234>>4135235>>4135236but erm is a groomer like dess thoughkris is a groomee, not a groomer
>>4135241Little Krissy is a groomer that got Dess killed said Toby Fox in a 2030 interview.
I wanna get groomed
>>4135243Everyone in Hometown...
>>4135235Silly girl, she's only been in the Dark World for a few hours at most. That's definitely not enough time to have a history with Yellow like that.
>>4135243>>4135245that's why they groom each other, so that everybody can be happy, they naturally assumed that Kris would agree to it and in turn they got raped like the silly human they are! twice, if you count the weird run!
>>4135246It's okay because it's another Asgore=Yellow parallelism and how he would let Kris do dangerous stuff as a kid.
>people thought susie was gonna die within the first 5 minutes of chapter 2's genocide event, were proven wrong.>people think noelle will die within the first 5 minutes of chapter 7Bhmm...
>>4134828>I hope this encourages many players to play more lightheartedly.>I'm gonna put 10 different secrets that you need to follow up on every chapter from chapter 1 if you want any kind of payoff thoughAlright Toby
>>4135253The Noelle one is foreshadowed by Mantle 2 though.>Inb4 THAT'S A RED HERRING/IT DOESN'T COUNT OKAY
>>4135264To be fair Toby has raped anons so much that calling things a red herring and completely ignoring them without elaborating further is a valid argument in these threads.
>>4135254it's extremely schizo, having the game demand that you scour it perfectly to get all the secrets that give out (potentially) important bits of characterization or items while also being so casual that it it's borderline expecting to be the very first game anyone has ever played
>>4135254And the golden ending (AKA the only one that has a CHANCE of being a happy ending that isn't pure misery porn) likely won't be possible without committing to several of these secrets.
Do you actually like discussing Deltarune or do you just come here everyday out of compulsion?
>>4135276The latter.
>>4135254>>4135268It's funny how the game has minimal requirements for casuals and maximum requirements for actual fans and anything in between would be a complete waste of time because getting only some of the secrets amounts to nothing
>>4135276There's only schizo lolcows and schizos who prod the lolcows (who will someday be lolcows themselves) here. Everyone else is dormant because they've learned better than to obsess on a singular game for years on end and do nothing else.
>>4135234>>4135235>>4135236>>4135239Aqua and Ralsei are ERAM and FRIEND is Gaster and Susie is the dragon and Toriel is Sans and Maddie is Papyrus and it's all a red herring
It's crazy how chapter 1 is a perfect experience on its own
>>4135279but that's the thing, it is a waste of time because despite the secret shit giving out tidbits, you don't learn any actual information that can't be inferred because if toby gave out too much people would guess the tweest, or so toby believes
>>4135283it was designed to exist as a satisfying stand alone in the event that deltarune would never be finishedthat's probably why (iirc) the ch1 era was so chill, it had everything you needed right there
>>4135283Chapter 1 is an actual demo, it was made so that it could work as a self-contained experience. Every chapter after that was built as part of a bigger experience, but since it's coming out in chunks, it ends up feeling weird.
>>4135198Meanwhile, in BlueSky, he posted about how his mom showed him a pair of South Park socks and said to him “Undertale?”
>>4135286The eggs guy annoys me because it's literally random chance with no indication, if that ends up contributing to the final ending I'm going to think less of toby.
>>4135290only in the first two chapters in 3, 4, and 5 you need to do some autistic sidequest or look in a hyper specific spotat least it's not a random chance to get it though, even in ch4 it's a set amount of times
Reminder that by "in-between" Gerson is referring to the Forgotten Man.
>>4135292erm, it's acksually gaster (who is green) because he's green and in betweenthey're also the same character (despite all the evidence to the contrary) because i said so
>>4135295The Forgotten Man is Grillby btw.
>>4135292>>4135295>>4135296It's a red herring.
the fever dream is a red herring
>>4135303>TOBY FOX>HAPPENED TO BE MIYAMOTO>FROM NINTENDO
Real life is a red herring
guys please stop with the herrings. its throwing off the ecosystem's balance.
THE ECOSYSTEM IS A RED HERRING
>>4135308>>4135309
>>4135234>>4135235>>4135236>>4135239This also explains the Rabbick who saw someone who looked like Kris, since HERO_SWORD can't be the Kris-like figure due to dying from the controller being unplugged, which can happen before it goes offscreen and the Rabbick still sees a Kris-like figure.
Carol Knight being a red herring is what actually makes it not a red herring, but this makes it into another, different red herring. Let me explain, Carol Knight is too obvious, especially if you don't put any actual thought to it, you see Carol has a katana, she seems not the most friendly, and looks to be working with kris, so it's very easy to go and think she's the Knight, then, you actually start thinking about it and begin to see the issues with it. But you see, this itself is a trap, Toby knew people would easily see the issues with Carol Knight, and discard her as a potential Knight candidate, and that is the real red herring, Carol not being the Knight, the actual subversion would be to make Carol the Knight after all, as very few people would be expecting that.
>>4135319Could also be Eram controlling the vessel
>>4135321It's either that or ERAM looks like Kris/Child Kris.
>>4135320The whole game is waggling eyebrows while pointing at Dess Knight. The only way to believe in Carol Knight is to somehow miss the 4328904 indications of the contrary.
>>4135320It even lines up with Chapter 5 behaviors. Carol is actively neglectful of Rudy despite him being seriously ill, and does not give a single genuine shit to make sure someone's watching out for him.She WANTS him to get fucked up to justify the next Dark World, for whatever step of the prophecy must be fulfilled.The very thought that she cares about preserving anything is but a facade of a woman truly broken, she's inherently contradictory given she's also neglectful of Noelle's ability to be punctual on returns home despite how strict she is on her in every other regard, and the whole Asgore living situation is another big contradiction (seems fair and generous, is actually cold and brutal, ultimately just making him into an ideal kidnapping victim for the big plan).Wouldn't surprise me if she's been like that since very soon after THAT DAY, she allowed some inconsiderate jackass to use "December" in the spelling bee despite Noelle's very obviously known trauma about Dess fucking off, which cost Noelle the spelling bee entirely and put a mark of blemish on her record.
>>4135324>UNDERTALE was all about fighting Asriel's OC>DELTARUNE is all about fighting Kris's kino
>>4135328>Kris that's not an OC that's just you but with your mouth colored Orange
>>4135331>Chara that's not an OC that's just you but with your mouth dripping with tar
>>4135334>Kris that's not you, that's me the player getting cucked in real life by pixels
>>4135335>Toby that's not your original fever dream that's just a bastard child between OFF and Mother 3
>>4135336>Mother 3 you are not true Earthbound sauce, that Black Dragon connection came from a non-canon manga
>>4135276It's a perverted sentimentality
>Seth fucked his sister Azura and they're the ancestors of all humans. All other progeny of Adam and Eve died out.NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>4135276I'm thinking Deltarune is not that good or complex of a game but addiction to fandom discourse is what brings us together and this game wouldn't be talked nearly as much if not for the chapter release format
>>4135360I thought you were talking about Illusion of Gaia Seth and got confused
>>4135369Delicious femboy Kris
>>4135369She's such a slut.
>>4135373Bold thing to say about a rape victim.
>>4135019You can still abort after that so it's not the point of no return yet.
>>4135191That's not Chapter 3.
>>4135234>>4135235>>4135236That would explain why that bunny thinks Kris already came through earlier, too.
>>4135253False equivalence, people thought everyone was going to die in the hypothetical Kris does genocide in Chapter 2. Meanwhile it's unpopular to think Noelle will be USED UP to this day, even though even the guy who made the spritesheetslop also believes in that ironically enough.
>>4135276>>4135280I like discussing the game and not everyone who posts in a public forum is your boogeyman. You need to have more fun rather than seethe all the time.
>>4135385Some people come here to complain about how Toby insulted them personally. It all started with Mike...
>>4135384Also the reveal Deltarune would have Seven Chapters only came later. People believed it would be short, so a genocides latter half ""kinda""" made sense.
>>4135296*Papyrus
>>4135396>Also the reveal Deltarune would have Seven Chapters only came later.I don't remember that. Didn't the survey program demo have the chapter select screen with all 7 chapters still?
>>4135395That happens across this entire website about every single topic.
>>4135401No, that was only when Chapter 2 came out.
>>4135395all me btw
Wow! That was so Coal!
>>4135401>Chapter 1: Card Kingdom>Chapter 2: It's Noelle's Game Now>Chapter 3: No Mike and lamest knight reveal ever>Chapter 4: It's Susie's Game Now fuck you>Chapter 5: No Asgore Fight. also fuck you
>>4135399*The Real Mike
>>4135409>lamest knight reveal evertrying too hard to be contrarian
>>4135409>LamestYou have such shit taste it's unreal
Maybe someday we'll have a king fight that isn't baby mode because he's a big fat assUnfortunately with how little exercise he gets in his cell I doubt he'll come to anyrhing
The fact that toby has been planning deltarune for over a decade is very good to me because it's cool
In other words, tenacious Tony has a plan for his story. Suselles lake date exists for a reason, and that's to ragebait the player into feeling catharsis when Susie and Noelle get obliterated by the prophecy
>>4135443He has allegedly been planning Deltarune for a decade*
Every story usually has a narrative trigger for the current events that are happening that will break the status quo and set the game in motion. In Undertale for example, it's Frisk falling down to the underground. It's a fact that happened on only by occasion but also in the perfect time because Asgore only needs one more soul.So why is Deltarune's plot happening right now? We can say it happened because Susie and Kris by sheer change were said to go together to the closet, but why was there a dark world in the closet in the first place? To set the events of the prophecy you could say, but why *now*? As far as we're concerned, nobody is leaving school in the immediate future, Susie has been in town for a while, Gerson has died in a while, Asgore wouldn't have found another clue for the case if the fountain didn't open in the first place. The festival in itself wasn't a story changing moment as much as it continued the Suselle romance that was already set in motion. If it was the moment we've been connected to Kris, it just persists the question, why *now*. All points out the story begins at a rather random thursday. The only thing that seems to have a temporal relationship is Asriel coming home, but that begs the question why begin the story when Asriel is X days away from returning home, why not while he's here, nor while much further before he'd have a chance to appear?
>>4135447Looking back, Deltarune has that "Kirby got his cake stolen/Kirby defeats a demon" awkwardness to how the story is set up.
>>4135456From our/Susie's perspective, sure. It all started with us getting chalk.The stakes and logic is probably different for Kris/Carol, and Noelle/Berdley have yet another way to see it.
Eram finds kriselle self-inserters repugnant ("gross") and does not condone wr kriselle although not with the same level of disgust ("it's wrong, everything about it is wrong! But you'll make it work... Won't you?")I can't wait to see more of eram in 7b if mantle isn't lying about it. His sassy personality and wicked nature make an interesting main antagonist deltarune is missing between it's sympathetic goofy misguided main bosses and it's faceless ominous black titan adjacent ones
>>4135458Eram is not gonna be as interesting as Spamton, na be not even King.
>only 3 chapters left>colored bullets are yet to be reintroducedenjoy your half assed punch out/zelda/hollow knight/flash games
>>4135461I love flash games, count me inI hope there's a point 'n click gimmick in 6/7
>>4135276I'm just not ready to let go and give into the Wait yet. This wouldn't have happened if we didn't get banished. I would have probably talked more in these threads weren't so damn fast.
you'll never see them again.
>>4135461>gimmick is yet to be reintroduced>enjoy your other gimmickpeople who pretend doing their bullet dodging within the bullet box specifically in battle was some deep system that Deltarune is worse off for not focusing on exclusively are adorable
>>4135470Never said it was deep, but it is one of a kind that no one will ever make a comercial game about again.Plus, the minigames are shallow like a puddle because they have no synergy with each other, unlike colored bullets and soul modes.
Guys...just kidding
>>4135473Jast kidding little guy!
>>4135471The minigames are exactly as shallow as soul modes and colored bullets were. It's not like Undertale had some consistent pattern design ethos or the soul modes and bullet colors actually got used with one another. The minigames provide the same level of variety in core gameplay with much more polish and more distinct feel to each mode.
>>4135447The answer to all those questions is that we don't know yet. Hopefully the game actually answers all of this.
>>4135276I come here from /utg/ in-between my dilating sessions.
>>4135488Ralseifag...
>>4135290Eggs are probably going to help with fighting FRIEND but not be required to encounter or defeat him.
>>4135471>Never said it was deep, but it is one of a kind that no one will ever make a comercial game about again.It won't be long until we can AIsloppa our own Deltarune clone in any way we want
Why does Noelle care so much about Rudy if she's a lesbian?
>>4135509He's her dad...
>>4135461I'll rectify something, the game actually has the green bullets in Green/Orange and the Swatchlings, but I don't recall anything else.
>>4135444Don't expect me to like it then. I cannot promote homosexuality on my platform.
>>4135458He can go fuck himself.
>>4135513Organikk and Pink have healing bullets too. If you count treasure bullets then Jackenstein and the Titan.
>>4135507People will make the Kriselle game and Robert will be left in the dust.
I don't care what treacherous Tony says,Noelle IS real and she loves ME the player, not that shitty little cuck kris
>>4135518Top ten things that will never happen.
>>4135469The only people I cared about in this picture were Asgore and Frisk. Asgore got a whole chapter and a character arc.Frisk is technically the protagonist again.The rest doesn't matter.
>>4135407Ralsei after I massacre the whole town
>>4135511Lesbian is when I hate my dad
>>4135519You're not believable anymore!Fuck you Anon!I have SEX with your gorgeous deer wife!
>O Doe, mage of ice
Ode e Doe
>>4135526Don't most lesbians hate their dads statistically speaking?
Some lesbians I assume like their father
>>4135518Why does every schizo call Toby "Robert"?
>>4135524*Chara
>>4135540Parasocial obsession with using Toby's "real name".
>>4135540That's her dead name.
>>4135541Kris is functionally both.
>>4135524>Frisk is technically the protagonist again.Frisk is stuck in Undertale. We're dealing with Chara again but grown up to be an insufferable teenage twat.
>>41355187B doomed hetero romance hell date Kriselle is kinda hype though
You aren't getting Skies Forever Snew lol
>>4135545Kris is a Chara trying to be a Frisk. The real Frisk of Deltarune is the Vessel, as indicated by the fact Vessel wears a two-stripe shirt while Kris has a one-stripe shirt.
>>4135552You will, just where Susie takes the pc's place
Is the fact that Toby is on Bluesky, promoted ActBlue, and contributed to a song named "Skies Forever Blue" a coincidence?
>>4135554The vessel is nothing. If it only becomes available at the end of the game, any benefit it could possibly give you is too little and too late.Because of the writers inability to make a game that isn't a straight line.
>>4135567It'll be the 11th hour savior, just like how Chara was the 11th hour savior of True Pacifist when Frisk canonically calls out to Chara to save her, which in turn makes Asriel finally realize Frisk isn't Chara and provides Frisk the DETERMINATION to survive Asriel's ultimate deathray.
>>4135567>The vessel is nothing.Just like Frisk!
>>4135570I don't give a shit about thatI want a game, or at least a compensation after the actual wastes of my time that chapters 4 and 5 have been. I want a promise that this won't infect my favorite things.
>>4135562>also gave the only other flower talking head sprite to blue
Think of the Vessel porn after 7B releases Toby.Think of the Vesselsonas Toby.
>>4135572Not true, Frisk dislikes soda, refuses to fight Undyne during the hangout, is curious about how Boss Monsters adopting humans works, is scared of the Amalgamates, can be surprisingly nasty, has abandonment issues, and is presumably the only human to ever fall into the underground without suicidal intentions.
>>4135572You can play with Frisk for the whole gameYou disingenuous fuck
>>4135577>refuses to fight Undyne during the hangoutFrisk can fight her, he just does piss damage to her.
>>4135582Yeah, but that still shows Frisk is able to hold back fighting intent even when using FIGHT. It's the sole instance of not going full throttle in the entire game even if you land a perfect hit.
If the only thing you can do after getting the vessel is just kill of the residents of the town, then what's the point
>>4135577Half of those are headcanon and the other half is basically nothing.>>4135578>the game where every character from undertale has been remixed to different roles are in different positions in the new worldwoah
>>4135586>headcanonUndyne points out Frisk doesn't want soda even if you point at it.Frisk asks Gerson of her own volition about if Boss Monster aging would still happen if the Boss Monster had a human child.Frisk slows down when approaching the bathtub, implying actual fear towards the Amalgamates.Frisk can "sadistically" waste all the water right in front of Undyne, and also has a chance to be incredibly mean when heckling Snowdrake.Frisk being out climbing Mt. Ebott in the first place, the infamous mountain where kids go to kill themselves, without actually having suicidal intentions, implies that Frisk is in a similar bad spot in terms of living conditions, but has the determination to not want to die, and her falling into the underground was purely accidental based on the Kickstarter's synopsis.
>>4135585Killing people is fun.
>>4135558Doomed lesbian romance is cliched and problematic >:(Lesbian bed death trope lol
>>4135585What's supposed to be the point of the vessel doing other things?
>>4135585That's only in 7B. In 7 (Golden End) after you save the worlds and break the prophecy by bullshitting an even better way to save the worlds, you'll finally be able to detach yourself from Kris's soul, reclaim your Vessel with a new soul given to you for being such a good wholesome chungus, and control it for the victory lap so you can finally meet Kris, Susie and Noelle for real, just like Gaster promised you'd be able to all the way back during the Goner Maker.
>>4135593Too late. I had to sit through the shelter code wild goose chase(according to this thread) and the cuck scene. I hated second of it.>>4135596Something something freedom. I'm not in the mood to be propagandized after 10 years.
>>4135599So a sequence that can't even be saved or anythingWho gives a shitThere's no gameplay anymoreNo adventure to go onWho caresI know I wouldn't
>>4135593What if people don't like you?
>>4135603Everyone ITT is already living through that daily.
>>4135620Not for much longer.
>>4135603In this world it's KILL or be KILLED.
>>4135630Not according to my useless party members
>>4135640I hope they kill YOU.
>>4135546Frisk is the Vessel stuck at the depths.>>4135572SOMEONE lacks imagination here.
>>4135582She only does 1 damage to Undyne and the dialogue is the same as the fake hit act.
>>4135603If they liked me while I was killing them I would find them weirdos.
>>4135656You're in luck because they're killing you first.
>>4135379ch3 has: black knife, it's tv time!, glowing snow, burning eyes, SWORD, paradise paradise, raise up your bat, ruder buster, and mike, the board please ch5 just has flower man, happy town, and flashback (lake ver)there's zero contest between the two, ch5 dropped the ball super hard, even more so that the best songs aren't even 'officially' part of the ost because their weird route
>>4135662>hating on aqua's themeFag
>>4135667sneakers o'toole is fine but i wouldn't consider it one of toby's best
>>4135659I'm good at the game.
>>4135648The writers themselves lack imagination, making everything before chapter 7 pointless and making dungeons designed ONLY to waste time.
>>41356625 also has running Sky and sunset of seven suns to be fair.Also THAT DAY is a pretty good atmospheric track.
>>4135447>So why is Deltarune's plot happening right now?Its happening because (you) slotted in the game and gaster turned on the wifi 4d connection to his funny experimentThere also may or may not be a timeloop but unlike undertale its not because of the player. So maybe that?
>>4135676sunset got completely mogged by the 2016 version toby posted THAT DAY, while alright in isolation, is forever associated by one of the worst writing decisions toby has made so far with the vaguepost king
>>4135677Had gaster ever considered that the player might just get sick of all this and quit
>>4135680Yeah it's called Darkness Falls retard
>>4135680>Player leavesDarkness Falls.>Player screams at the heavens7B>Player merely facilitates the scriptDeltarune
>>4135680Your post is dumb but I do wonder if our IRL time will be canon in a way. Imagine we meet gaster (for real) and he references the wait from ch1 release like EGG MAN does.Might be a tad bit too meta but then again toby might go all in on big G being the meta author.>HOW MUCH LONGER NOW... MY... DELTARUNE!
The final boss of 7B will be Rudy in a wheel chair
>>4135681AndWhy should I give a shitThe game doesn't want me to be a hero or to do anything at allAs seen by ch4 and ch5
>>4135685Gaster doesn't seem to remember resets since you can beat the Knight in 3 different save slots and he acts like it's your 1st time fighting the Knight every time.
>>4135687close, the final boss of 7b will be rudy in the iron asshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhY66zoM4oM
>>4135683You'd think gaster might do something to make the game more appealing then
>>4135692But he did. He brought back your old toys, gave you new vistas each chapters, sometimes new mechanics coded just for the occasion, more characters, more fights, more stakes...Not his fault if humans are contrarians by nature.
>>4135694I genuinely wanted to stop playing after that stunt
>>4135687Bro wants a Hugo type ending
>>4135696Which one? I never know if people are complaining about Suselle, Mike, the Prophecy, the Asgore fight or something else.
>>4135696*in ch4>>4135699The stunt pulled at Noelle's house It ruined the entire adventure
>>4135699It's CoL it's probably something related to Suselle.
>>4135703Kris going from minor annoyance to minor antagonist?
>>4135703The adventure IS ABOUT YOU AND KRISKris is the main character of the game and the reason the plot is happening to begin withWithout Kris there is no Deltarune
>>4135685That would date the game hard for anyone who plays it in full.
>>4135696OOOOOH THAT STUNTEVER SINCE THAT STUNTTHAT TERRIBLE TERRIBLE STUNT
if the pink maddie thing is a parallel to us and kris, wouldnt it mean that the good ending is gonna be... we just possess them as we always have forever? that's us making peace? Just cuz it's either that or Kris dies? We use them to play Deltarune forever?
>>4135708erm, it's actually about susie getting friends and becoming the hero of hometownkris is just there on the sidelines for emotional support while susie steals her entire life out from under her
7b will be Toby telling you to use chatgpt and AI to continue the route because he got lazy
>>4135717ralsei gpt, please gurgle my balls and make no mistakes
>>4135715Susie does want things to go on forever so...Also the whole pink situation is not that happy if the darkworlds stop existing tbsqh
>>4135706Yes. There is literally no reason to give a shit about anything that happens after that, because it infects every single movement and interaction.It bothers me in a way simply watching not capture.
>>4135715In the Light World Mew Mew is just a doll without will so I assume that the moral is that Kris's soul just needs to return back to normal.
>>4135723Inverse situation for me.Having the Frisk simulacra have a will of itself was cool, but it only happened in few scenes like in the dead of night (oooooh spooky knife). Since Kris was acting out more and more in the previous chapters, it felt natural that he would shed the mask in those scenes.
>>4135711It's already dated with references to Among Us, "kill him with hammers", Woody Theory, etc.
>>4135469What is this supposed to mean?Is it detecting heat because Frisk is warm-blooded and Sans is drinking jalapeno sauce?
>>4135731Sans has blood because he's from DR and monsters in that setting aren't made from literal magic (Most of the time, probably doesn't apply to ghosts like maddie)Papyrus doesn't bleed though which is confusing.
>>4135726Maybe it was cool the first time 8 years ago, when I was young and stupid. I no longer have the patience for that 8 years later, it's exhausting and I don't exactly want to get a heart attack playing a jrpg.Now its ruining the parts of the game I actually care about, and it doesn't seem to have any interest in throwing me a bone.
>>4135733Even if he doesn't bleed, there's something fundamentally weird about Papyrus in the fact that he doesn't die all at once, instead only his body dusts while his head lives for just a bit longer. No other monster's like that, they all either die in one go (whether immediately or after a monologue depends) or melt agonizingly.
>>4135734>I don't exactly want to get a heart attack playing a jrpg.what? how are you this mad over a bunch of pixels?
>Delta A Rune>Time travel adventure >Friend secretly stalking you across every time period
>>4135736I don't like surprises anymore. I find I like them less and less as I get older.
>>4135736Because he's schizophrenic and convinced Toby is genuinely ruining an entire genre of videogames. You can't break him out of his delusion, he's too convicted, and he's also decided the vendetta runs more personal than ruining his toys because he's mad about the fact Toby donated to BLM, who are funding Islamic terrorists, who are killing jews, those terrorists killed his cousins several decades ago, which he feels personally slighted over even though he wasn't even born to actually know them, much as the black man chimps out over how his forefathers were treated.
>>4135738Old people who don't try new things become demented faster.
>>4135735You're right but its still strange since it kinda implies he's neither a Deltarune monster nor a undertale monsterMore proof for forgotten man maybe?
>>4135740You don't get to tell me what I can play and what I can't. Neither does Robert.
>>4135733That art implies only Sans is from Deltarune while the Papyrus we meet is not.
>>4135742Either that or Third World. We don't truly know how Sans dies in Undertale, he goes offscreen before we can see how he dusts, maybe it really WAS ketchup and he shares the same "body first, head last" trait, or maybe he truly does bleed.Just some shit we can't make any sense of, and likely never will, just as we'll never actually meet Gaster despite the whole conceit of us helping him out with creating a new future in HIS DELTARUNE is so that we can finally see him.
>>4135743You're pissing all over yourself and thinking "heh, just owned evil Toby Fox!"
>>4135745Yeah that's an L on the artist, I dislike when people portray Sans as the only special one.
>>4135733Him being physical also makes him even weaker because he shouldn't even have vulnerability to killing intent
>>4135734>I don't exactly want to get a heart attack playing a jrpg...You got a heart attack during Holiday Manor? How old are you?
>>4135739Slighted? Islamists still want to kill my family, and they try every day.Remember that "charity" he did for the 10th anniversary? All that cash went to Doctors without borders, who if you didn't know, employs actual Islamic terrorists while disguising them as doctors, to the extent that said terrorist organizations had to admit this "humanitarian organization" was harboring terrorists.Slighted my ass, Toby Fox literally supports modern day Islamic terrorists. Who want to kill my family in the modern day. Unfortunately for them, the last time they tried, they got shot.
See what I mean? Pure schizo obsession, it can't just be about "MUH TOYS", it HAS to be personal too, and he HAS to rant and rave about it on this backwater shithole every single day of his life because he doesn't have the balls to actually go out there and do something about Evil Robert Fox.
My penis inside NoelleKris can watch
>>4135766>t. SOUL
>>4135755It became personal when he did that.Don't openly support terrorists, and I won't hate your guts. Doctors without Borders harbored terrorists like this ugly fuck.Yeah, this is about more than just my games, because this is a matter of life and death.Don't give him your money.
Hi I'm ERAM and I'm Child Kris but evil.
>>4135755>Pure schizo obsessionWell, yes. He's posting in a Deltarune thread 3 months after a chapter release. Did you expect someone sane?
>>4135774Toby this is getting ridiculous
>>4135774ERAM is probably closer to a real Kris that the post-Shelter PSTD vessel we string along.
>>4135774>>4135776I can't believe it took me this long to see the similarities fuckDoesn't this imply ERAM is heavily Kris-adjacent then? He might literally be his horns in that case.
>>4135776>>4135777My opinion is that ERAM is the "meaner" side of Child Kris, while Aqua represented their "innocent" side.
Eram is shadow Kris, gaster is shattered hollow Kris, vessel is goner Kris, Noelle is Kris after the transition, forgotten man is alternate Kris from the past, the soul is Kris' essence, and you the player are escaped Kris (post 7b), and Kris is Toby's self insert
>>4135780Given the friend scene with Aqua in which she attacks you no matter what, I'm unsure if there is a meaningful difference between Aqua/ERAM.
Mr. Fox, all is forgiven. Please make a million more Suselle scenes and donate the earnings directly to the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.
>>4135783brown hands typed this
>>4135782To be fair Aqua will keep on being your friend even if you attack her multiple times.
>>4135779We already knew this since Chapter 3, when the Rabbick was freaking out over Ramb and then remarked that it'd already seen Kris pass by. It's just that people thought it was talking about HERO_SWORD, because not everyone was aware that HERO_SWORD dies when the game turns off, and Rabbick still says the same thing even if HERO_SWORD dies onscreen..
>>4135785Just like ERAM probably thought the Mantle fight was the epitome of fun despite Kris taking real damage.
>>4135786>ERAM fight will be a mirror evil KrisMr Fox you are a geniusIts dare I say, kino.
>>4135753I meant to say i dont want a bigger shock in the future like thatmy guy i cannot promote this game or recommend it to anyone because it has those sequences that makes every single second afterwards pointless
>>4135774Thank you Toby for adding even more lolis to this series.
>>4135790>my heart can't take it fellasShameful admission.
I just realised as well, we have more potential for chara autism if ERAM looks like herImagine the spergdom if Kris isn't DRs chara, but ERAM is.
>>4135793Only the Vessel will look like Chara because they will do the black goopy face.
>>4135793ERAM is Chara's Dark World form
>>4135791>One of Deltarune's big villains is just loli Kris but orange What did Tobias Radiation mean by this?
>>4135792wow, someone doesn't like the wild goose chase or the mcguffins not being collected for multiple years or the ntr scene what a shockand you have the nerve to tell me i should like it>you can just play games you like and ignore games you dont>b-b-but you're a pussy if you dont play my favorite game deltatroon and worship it as the second coming!Shut the ever living fuck up.
>>4135798You kept cooming for a decade straight with loli kris (forma del Undertale)
>>4135801I didn't coom to the Patience human though? Only people into feet did that.
>>4135800I will keep laughing, just as I'm sure the dog is from under your bed.
>>4135798why don't we reverse it?why is deltarune's greatest hero eram but cyan?
>>4135804We're all in on Tobius Fox's wild rideThat anon can shit-talk him all he wants, but if he truly didn't care or disliked the game he wouldn't be here talking about it.
>>4135805The Soul is Red not Cyan though.
>>4135808That's not what Youtube and Reddit told me!...wait - if FemKris is true, doesn't it mean the yuri agenda is preserved in Kriselle....?
>>4135809Yeah nigga.
>>4135800>b-b-but you're a pussy if you dont play my favorite game deltatroon and worship it as the second coming!Can you point to us who said that or you're trying to topple mr. crusader's schizophrenia?
>>4135808not right now, nowbut perhaps at one point, it was
>>4135792>>4135811Right here
>>4135813Anon is mocking you for being unable to tank a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5MW-xF1Kec
Conspiracy Theory (That should be read like "Green Theory" or "67 Theory", but the first word is conspirancy):A sizeable amount of people in Hometown are in "on it" about the prophency. Susie is just a mark that doesn't really know what's going on.
>>4135814I don't like mcguffins being unable to collect while the games still telling me to get themThat isn't my idea of an epic adventure, I dont want that in my games and deltarune entire fanbsse wants this to be normal
>>4135819The codes are not real Mcguffins. They are plot devices made to keep the adventure going for Susie because you explicitly know that Kris isn't letting you reach the shelter arbitrarily for their goals. But you are completely unwilling to engage with the story in front of you so obviously you fail to get that.
>>4135816I used to find Susie annoying (especially after her tone deafness in ch5) but then I realize she's the weakest protagonist Noelle included, everyone from Ralsei to the Knight is sandbagging to keep the pretense, and she's doomed to lose from the start. First real friend? Befriended you as a sacrifice replacement. Your crush? Fold back to her childhood friend easily, part of her hates who you are deep inside. Your home? Sealed in less than a week. Your role?
>>4135822>The codes are not real Mcguffins. They are plot devices made to keep the adventure going for Susie because you explicitly know that Kris isn't letting you reach the shelter arbitrarily for their goals.
>>4135793Eram is Aqua who is Kris who is Chara and who is a loliIt all goes back to lolis
>>4135825>reddithumor
>>4135825Thanks for proving my point
>>4135824in terms of strength, from what can be observed, it goesnoelle>>> (you)>>>>>> kris>>>>>>>>>ralsei >>>>>berdly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> susiehell i might even be selling berdly too short, he managed to hold his own pretty good in ch2
>>4135829Sure thing.By the way, why does Kris risk everything trying to rip up the code in ch5, if the codes are useless? Why does Flowery with his meta knowledge not know that the code chase is bullshit?
>>4135822Yeah that bothers me, I don't exactly understand how I'm supposed to be engaged in kind of story, there is no epic adventure there to enjoy. My fun is taken away out of spite, who are you to tell me I should be happy this is happening.
>>4135826
I want to have sex with this loli.
>>4135822What story? How do I engage witha story where I'm punished for doing anything? Why should be expected to care? And why am I supposed to just bend over and call it normal when it infects another game?
>>4135832I didn't say the codes are useless. I literally just told you they are a chase for Susie's perspective. You can read, can't you? Is little deltatroon too hard for your brain?
>>4135831Berdly has the strongest stats, actually. It's just that retarded Susie would rather invite Noelle to a dark world to fulfill the secret scissoring Angel panel.
>>4135833>>4135838Very organic posts
>>4135840>susie has been proven to be a retard and a delinquent multiple times>act surprise that she makes retarded and deliquent choices
>>4135801I only coomed to them separated as two lolis.
>>4135839You got me. If you don't say anything substantiative, then you win.Nevermind that the Kris/Flowery scenes still debunk your argument.
>>4135842Am I supposed to say something else? I want it to get better, I want it to improve and it has not improved in this regard for 2 full years if not longer.I dont exactly want this when I look for "epic fantasy rpg game with knight hero", but you, you do and you laugh when I call you out on it.
>>4135840we know kris and ralsei know about stat bullshit and are sandbagging noelle managed to trash an entire room at the start of ch2 without knowing what she was doing, and as seen with snowgrave she is capable of using extremely powerful magic despite believing that she is unable to do so, which is probably why her stats are so seemingly low susie on the other hand, is legitimately trying her best
>>4135835This but Orange.
>>4135846Kris was going to rip the code to stop Susie from getting it, which I just told you, is not useless to her. Flowery wouldn't say anything because he doesn't want to unmask Kris in front of Susie, because he doesn't believe Kris is truly a bad guy. You'd know this if you actually cared to listen to the story.
>>4135843Where am I acting surprised? I'm merely telling Anon that he's underestimating god gamer Berdly. He's like Flowery except instead of deliberately gaming the system he's just delusional and genuinely believes he should have boss stats so that means he actually gets to have them in a dark world.>>4135850Beat me to it before I could post.
>>4135774Those are completely different voices though.
>>4135853Okay I've found your problem: You don't know how to explain yourself, and you think that's everyone elses problem.Look forward to a lonely life bud.
>>4135856Actual retard
>>4135857Yeah bud, I know you are.
Well, I'm back from anni. What are you faggots talking about here?
Kris will do a Moon: RPG Mother 3 Live A Live Omori OFF in ch 7
>>4135859Shelter code plotline is ruining the game experience and I don't want this to be in other rpgs. While this entire thread want it to be in other rpgs.
Kris "Orstead Omori Klaus Batter Patience Soul Chara Knight" Dremurr
>>4135833The "epic journey" of accomplishing a goal the "game" gave "you". (Translation: progressing the story until the main character helps another character accomplish their goal.)
kris will do a lisa the joyful and kill everyone trying to rape her and become queen of hometown
And the skies will be forever blue
>>4135861Every plotline in every RPG is already exactly like the shelter codes. The amount of macguffins you've assembled can be altered by any amount whenever the plot demands. Deltarune is the first game where you've actually noticed it because you are borderline illiterate.
Mother 3 had those fucking needles
Mother 2 had those fucking Your Sanctuaries
Mother 1 had those fucking melodies
>>4135861I am Drago N. Quest, the creator of Dragon Quest. The next installment of the series will take place in a postmodern mascot infused bunker world. You will be playing as the villain's sapient tumour, steering the character to collect 72 code condoms. The dragon is the secret hero on a quest, by the way. Toby Fox is producing the music and dialogue and Gooseworx is overseeing the story. Every rpg ever, from now on, will be made like this.
>>4135864So I should just sit there and watch while all the characters hate me for just being there, that's not what I want>>4135867>just play Dragon Quest >but you should know that Dragon quest is just like deltarune and all the characters hate you and you don't play as the hero and you watch a lesbian relationship with yoir childhoor friend from the chair and you never collect anything, and you can never do important story events out of orderDoes it pay to lie this shamelessly
>>4135859>I'm back from anniHuh? What anni?
>>4135872Yes, every dragon quest game had the ability to take away your macguffins at any point, and whether you actually got one at any given point was entirely decided by the plot and not by "you", correct.>NO YOU LIE I REALLY DID SAVE THE WORLDYou turned the pages of the story of the world being saved.
>>4135859More CoL stuff.
>>4135875Then can I just have a story to turn pages of playing as a hero and save the world then please instead of this humiliation ritual
>>4135881Not until this understanding is drilled into your head enough that you actually know what to ask for next time instead of bitching about how you need to make "real progress" or that the protagonist should be "obedient", which is complete schizophrenia that betrays a failure to understand what a fucking PLOT is.
>>4135884What exactly do you want me to ask for instead then
Bahomet Lagooning you
>>4135886Translate your requests into what they actually mean.>Real progressWhat you really mean is that you want the game to clearly show you the party's goals before they begin acting on them and have regularly paced events reminding you that they're making progress towards those goals.>Obedient partyWhat you really mean is that you want the game to give almost no agency to any character other than antagonists, leaving everything that's presented remotely like a "choice" to the player, and letting you imagine that the reason antagonists are bad is because they make choices you might dislike. Because the point of games is making "choices" and anything you can identify as a "choice" that you didn't get to make is an attack on you, so games should be obligated to minimize this.
>>4135774ERAM is also a magical girl>Eram and Pink summon cats in one of their attacks>Eram and Pink use bombs attacks + fire damage>Pink wants love, ERAM wants LOVE>Kris lied about anime stuff and is a big fan of the Mew franchiseERAM is a Dark Magical Girl loli that looks like Kris and pack owner gaster second voice puppet ghost roots kris red horns
>>4135891That sounds great actually, where can i find an rpg like that
>>4135884>adventure games should all be like films and your entitled if you want an epic heroes journey for you player characterYawn
>>4135895Probably start your search with games made for children. Like, preschool to kindergarten age. Writing as clear and straightforward as you seem to prefer is generally reserved for target audiences that aren't fully literate yet.
>>4135893Cements Deltarune as the greatest game ever made if true.
>>4135897A story is a story. The events that are going to happen to the protagonist are in the game before you press play, the most you can do is skip or reorder some. The hero's journey is whatever the hero goes through, if it fails to have any arc then it's just a bad story.
>>4135897>adventure games should all be like films That's exactly what most JRPGs are. You make no choices, you just play the game and watch the cutscenes and see the character saying and deciding things you have 0 input on
>>4135900You're vile. You act disingenuous on purpose, you tell me to play something else, then you mock me for saying I prefer a straightforward fantasy epic.I ask you now, what do you think the purpose of Dragon Quest is, if you believe I shouldn't enjoy it? Tell me, you fucking snake.
>>4135906Most jrpgs don't shove homosexuality into your face and demand you call it the way deltarune does, and most jrpgs aren't as actively malicious in making sure you don't fell like the hero as deltarune does.
>>4135907Serving as a blueprint for shitty light novel worldbuilding.
>>4135903Bullshit, it's entertainment, your job is to entertain the audience. If the audience wants to play as a hero and have an epic fantasy adventure, your JOB is to deliver.
>>4135910Oh you just are a snake then. Fuck you, you terrorist-supporting cockroach.
>>4135912With the power of the seven souls I shall destroy Israel.
>>4135907Your preferences are as straightforward as those of a child who can't comprehend the ideas you reject. Thus you are called a child.Dragon Quest isn't offensive to me. I don't see games outside my preference as an attack on my preferences. And I don't even think Dragon Quest is outside my preference, I just haven't played it, and it isn't high on my list.
>>4135911A story is a story is a story. The consumer doesn't buy a story and then start making demands about where it ought to go, and Deltarune made very clear that it wasn't going to be even possible to play in a straightforward way before you had a chance to pay for it.
>>4135893>Magical girl lolis with one good and the other evilToby is based and has literally my tastes...
>>4135913Try it, I dare you. I'll blow your head off like we did for all your friends.
>>4135916>Toby is based and has literally my tastes...If he actually was, he'd make it unambiguous and drop the they/themslop.
>>4135908I am talking about choice in videogamesThat has nothing to do with choice in videogames
>>4135921course it does, im not homosexual, i didn't choose to have what im not attracted to shoved into my games, dont force me to watch just to play when you didnt advertise itand it does, because you called me entitled for saying i want an epic fantasy rpg where i play as a hero, thats what i choose, youre saying i dont deserve to be able to choose whats on my computer and what isnt
any decent theory videos as of late? could really use some loreslop
>>4135923>you called me entitled for saying i want an epic fantasy rpg where i play as a heroWhere and when
>>4135924Not really, every single base worth covering has been covered, and the only two theories that really matter at this point ("what's up with Kris's soul?" and "who's Knight?") have obnoxious Kresselfags and DessKnightfags crying every time someone makes a video that contests those two beliefs.
>>4135915Of course I can. When I look for a game where I can play as a hero knight who goes on an adventure to save the world from some great evil, and I see a game that directly advertises itself as that on the steam page, I have every right to expect this story from that game, and you have no right to subvert it and take it away.>>4135925>>4135900>>4135903>>4135906>>4135914Here, here, here, and here.
>>4135926>was told that ROOTS theory was amazing and basically canon at this point>listened to lore video about it>nothing but heavily stretched schizoslop>chapter 5 happened>ROOTS theory deboonked>never watch any lore video ever again
>>4135924It's spanish so no point in posting it, but the video is actually decent talking about skies forever blue and it pointed out something interestingThe word ''Whether'' is used in a peculiar way just like ''strange someone''
hello
>>4133064Anon that's a child
>>4135933low diff by nubert
>>4135934No, that's a flower
>>4135936A flower that's been around longer than college-aged Asriel, mind you.
>>4135935:((
4134638i hope you get doxxed and raped on the street
>about to post "meant for">that guy is legitimately a troon>decided to leave it at that
>>4135934A sexy one I know
>>4135918That's true, he's just semi based, his autism stops him from reaching his true power.
>>4135928The problem with ROOTS theory is that it assumed board 3 was going to happen in 5 for some reason, despite 5 being smaller than 2 in the sweepstakes website. 7B is when board 3 will happen.
>>4135934Out of ten!
deltarune if toby wasnt a colossal faggot
I like Deltarune
>no one's even excited about chapter 6>everyone's talking about what'll happen in chapter 7, especially 7b
>>4135954because he skipped chapter 6
>>4135954I'm excited for Chapter 6. I think it will surprise people a lot in a good way
This constant back and forth between CoL and the other guy is very annoying. CoL wants Deltarune to be a straightforward fantasy adventure, which it isn't, and he takes this as a direct insult to him, and a threat to games he likes. The other guy tells CoL that Deltarune explores the meaning of choices in videogames and how little choice there actually is, and how meaningless as a concept it is in videogames since at the end of the day you're just going through preset scenarios with preset outcomes. CoL interprets this as being a direct insult to him, just like Deltarune's existence, and he replies in anger, but the other guy always replies back, and at some point, you realize that his obsession with the "truth" and trying to make CoL accept is almost as nonsensical as CoL world view. A reasonable person would have realized CoL is insane and cannot be reasoned with, the other guy can't or refuses to see this and this in turn makes him unreasonable too.Having said all this, I do have some very slight sympathy for CoL, not because I believe in any of his schizophrenic ramblings, but rather because the whole meta topic of choice in videogames that Deltarune is trying to explore is, well, it's just not a topic that very interesting to me, at least not in the way Deltarune is exploring. It might become more interesting in the future, but nothing that has been shown so far when it comes to Deltarune's exploration of this topic has impressed me. If it continues with the same quality that was shown in 5, then honestly, a generic JRPG power fantasy would have probably ended up being more interesting for me overall. It's just, the more chapters come out and the more I realize that perhaps I'm just not the target audience for this game, which makes sense, I guess, Toby did say this game was not for everyone, but still, I can't help but feel disappointed.
>>4135958The game is most certainly keepings its big guns about the meta themes and choice still in its sleeves. Is there any way you'd hope the game changes its approach that would please you and ways you're not looking forward to seeing?
>>4135954>no one's even excited about being raped>everyone's talking about the raping after the rape, especially rape 3
And we're back, time to keep talking about how shit chapter 6 is gonna be
We are back. Kris is female btw.
this femkris is brought to you by the number '4'
You know I'm genuinely starting to doubt that we'll get a newsletter this Halloween
>>4135964Can't get worse than 4 and 5
>>4135954The newsletter murdered the hype for 6. We know it's mostly a transitional chapter now. There's not much to expect now.
>>4135967deltarune is now on sale this means that toby bothered to remember that it exists
>>4135965>>4135966FemKris hivemind... welcome back
>>4135975Noelle is punished.The yellow key was used upShe was used up.
>>4135967A newsletter is pointless unless Chapter 6 is content complete anyways
>>4135951Reminder Noelle's eyes are canonically brown.
>>4135981Toby doesn't care and neither should (you)
>>4135981official art isn't canon, how many times must this be said
>>4135981Noelle looking at Kris posing heroically
>>4135968unskippable suselle dance scenebarely any dark world content, just suselle melodramaconflict of the chapter is more about carol being evil and homophobic about suselle than noelle's own character developmentno pure crystal or egg payoff until chapter 7the one thing that's clarified is a nothingburger, like clarifying ms. boom's relation to gerson and alvin
why does noelle say that no one has noticed that kris changed when in reality Berdly noticed that Kris and Noelle were acting off?why does noelle say that everyone keeps marching down the same path without even thinking where it goes when berdly explicitly chose to try stopping kris and noelle instead of acting like nothing changed?why is noelle ignoring berdly?
there's no monogamous explanation for the chu-chu-chosen train joke, chu is the kiss onomatopoeia in japan, susie and ralsei talk about chu-chu-choosing each other and even bring kris into this, basically susie and ralsei are talking about kissing each other
>>4136005They're just sluts that flirt with everyone but only like one person.
>>4136003Because she memoryholed her involvement in putting him in a coma, just like how she memoryholed her involvement in THAT DAY.She remembers she cast Snowgrave, but not on who, just that it was a terrifyingly powerful feeling she liked, just as she remembers dicking around in the woods behind the graveyard with Kris, Dess and Asriel, and that something happened that spooked her so badly that it made her cry, but she doesn't remember the details so it was a fond memory, just as she's able to look to the positives of casting Snowgrave.In brief, Berdly essentially no longer exists to her. He "left", just like Dess "left", because someone "leaving" is an easier pill to swallow than "I was responsible for something really bad happening to this person."It's meant to run parallel to Kris, who fully accepts swallowing that pill, even if it means every moment of his life is suffering under the crushing weight of guilt.
>>4136003Maybe... Noelle doesn't give a shit about Berdly? Noelle is not really a good friend. In the NR Noelle quickly forgets about Catti and Berdly, even Kris, in favor of Susie. Meanwhile, in the WR Noelle felt good hurting Berdly (even if she admits it was wrong) and quickly forgets about Susie now that Kris is paying attention to her once more, plus Kris being creepy makes her super horny.
>>4136010Everyone in Hometown sucks as a person except for Asriel, the sole good one of the entire community, the only person to care and worry about committing sins, even if everyone else doesn't adhere to the concept of sin.
>>4136003>>4136010>in the WR Noelle felt good hurting Berdly (even if she admits it was wrong)this can be explained by one simple fact, Noelle is sadistic. she understands why killing her own friend berdly is wrong, and she still cares about him... which is what makes him more special than any other kill, the fact that he died to his two best friends frozen to death... that's what made Berdly's death more memorable to Noelle than any other darkner she killed, she has no emotional attachment to the tasques and the werewires that died on the way, but the fact that berdly was her friend for many years... that's what makes the feeling more intense for noelle, her empathy for him amplified the satisfaction and sensation of the whole thing for her... the fact that she cared is precisely why the snowgrave moment made her feel so strongly.
>>4136012>the only person to care and worry about committing sinsasriel was a kid at the time who prob heard about the concept of sins on the internet, he's gonna come back with roommate Chara and he's gonna act like flowey
>>4136017Kris is Deltarune's Chara though. The fact he has Frisk's skin and hair is a red herring.
>>4136017Asriel coming back home with his human girlfriend just to see the world ending because of his brother.
>>4136022asriel coming back home with chara gf and sees kris with her ralsei bf and both don't acknowledge it because tori loves psuedo incest
>>4136016>Noelle is sadisticYes, something like that. You can blame Kris for that. According to Noelle their relationship was always a twisted form of give-and-take. Mini Kris would bully Noelle all the time, maybe out of love or simply malice, and Noelle, feeling overwhelmed, would call for Dess's help, or Kris themselves would shift into being nice to her, which is what Noelle wanted since she had a crush on Kris back then. So, Noelle subconsciously thinks that hurting isn't wrong if you get something good out of it.
>>4135998That's just what ch5 was though
>>4136030noelle factually has a self doubting and overly negative view on her relationship with kristhat alone makes anything that kris did that was 'negative' come under scrutiny because as she (and we) realized on the ferris wheel, kris' teasing was actually intended to cheer her up
>>4136030Noelle is implied to have been a bad apple too, given that whole "you can't even say stop like you used to" line.Just two rambunctious kids who didn't know what boundaries were and could fall back on their big sibling to protect them from the other, and then they got FUCKED by THAT DAY before either of them could really grow up.
>>4135981not canon
I had sex with Aqua while 4chan was PHP'd. She felt so good...
>>4136049Inshallah
>>4136049Asriel...
>>> you mumbled something about not having to choose between both >>> "What are you saying? Like... a throuple?" >>> "No way, dumbass. You know polyamourys like, a joke, right? Only darkners do that, and they're not even real either. Did you really think...?" >>> "Erm, exCHEESE me! I didn't say you could get up from the chair yet. Gosh, you can be so silly sometimes, Kris. Fa ha ha ha ha! Hey why are you pointing that revolver at your mouth"
With all these lolis, why isn't the game more popular with Muslims?
>>4136056Because the women are all sluts who show their bodies so wantonly, begging to be raped and beheaded.
Why is he gripping Aqua so tightly?
>>4136056How would you know what is or isn't popular with Muslims?
>get choice between Bianca and Nera>game makes them both lesbians and you have to watch their weddingShoot him if he gets anywhere close
>CoL's now making up shit to get mad about because he already burnt out his ability to get mad at his usual agitation points
>>4136056Unironically any form of homosexual behavior is considered haram.
>>4136066Then why does he keep supporting islamists directly?
"you can't even say stop like you used to" man what the hell was Noelle doing? Robert Tobert Radiation Foxerts writing goes hard sometimes. I'd love to see chapter 7b indulge in more psychological horror and not just "game fake ddlc" shit
>>4136067The same reason he has cops in his game even though he's disgusted with the police's handling of Fent Floyd, he's a hypocrite hack fraud who just wants money so he can peddle messages of pacifism while funding murderers, making the murderers job easier because the retards will try "sparing" them because they think every conflict can be solved with quirk chungus acting, making them that much more susceptible to getting blown up or having their faces shot clean off in the name of Allah.
For a given value of psychological horror given this is a kid's game
>>4136070What a piece of shit. Never forget that the so-called charity organization he funded was confirmed to have hired Islamic terrorists and dressed them up as doctors,confirmed by the terrorists themselves.
>>4136056They prefer real children, just like trannies.
>>4136070Schizophrenic babbling
>>4136028Hey now, I already saw that comic on xitter.com.
>>4136056>implying it isn't.
>>4136080Nothing schizophrenic about showing you real pictures with real names attached to them. At least I can pin names to faces, unlike you, who just blames all the jews without going any deeper than that.
>>4135981>Noelle>canonically brownHehe...
>>4136049https://x.com/FoH3XE5Qn012994/status/2111849880088183197here's a good aqua animation
>>4136127>all the purity spiraling over a cute animation being "pedobait"It's amazing just how many actual pedophiles out themselves by getting mad at a piece of fiction.
>>4136130The funny thing is that those "people" proclaim that this is why Toby only hangs out with Japanese people, because the west is too pedophilic.
>>4136140None more pedophilic than his Muslim friends
>>4136127Cute!
>>4136140ironically enough, it's the opposite, toby doesnt like the crazies who get a melty over a piece of fiction so he goes with the people that the crazies would declare "pedophiles" if they could interact the japanese fandom and understand their language.
>>4136140>xe doesn't know
>>4136164>the crazies would declare "pedophiles" if they could interact the japanese fandom and understand their language.>these are the same hysteric troons causing the heavy censorship in recent animeGod, I hate anime tourists so fucking much...
>>4135954>>4135964What the fuck is there to be said about chapter 6?All the recurring things and patterns people liked are over (shadow crystal bosses, eggs, darkners who win bizarre popularity contests and so on) and 6 itself has almost no setup.And the little setup it has? Noelle showing up? Might as well barely be present so that the story may once again avoid having to address the aborted weird route. Pure crystal boss? The game already heavily implies it will just be a Seam fight, a guy we've known since 2018.Not even doomposting is fun by this point. Oh, the dojo will be wasted again and suselle will happen and the Mikes will acknowledge fandom discourse again, who the fuck cares.
>>4136173And then on top of that Toby made the newsletter sole for the purpose of managing expectations instead of giving the audience even a single reason to get excited for the chapter like previews and development updates are usually meant to do.
>>4136195Her antlers in the flashback aren't bent
>>4136211Dess Knighters will die if they don't show you they are Dess Knighters please understandu.
>>4136233dess knighters are realizing they're about to become just as raped as kris knighters and are desperately trying to force it as the 'most popular' knight theory so when the rapening does happen the actually correct people don't overwhelmingly laugh at themthe same thing will happen to kressel fags, which is why there's a sudden wave of sperg outs against patience kris
>>4136255>as raped as kris knightersIs such a thing even possible?>trying to force it as the 'most popular' knight theoryIt absolutely is, what are you smoking?
>>4136260i don't even know if the average player even has any real thinking about 'who' the knight could bedess knight falls apart the second you think about it, granted normoids don't think very often but that's why the thought of 'who' the knight could be doesn't even registerto them, the knight simply 'is'or they assume it's carol because she's evil and homophobic
>>4136263>or they assume it's carol because she's ... homophobicOnly the troons are pushing that meme, not normalfags.
>>4136263>dess knight falls apart the second you think about it,Let me guess. "If she's the knight she's not lost, she's right there. Literally the only thing that's wrong with her is the funny looking armor and she can just take that off. Or her family can ignore it. What's a Flowey?"
>>4136277And then when you raise Abnormal Dess is obviously not of sound mind, he'll complain "so why make it Dess if it's basically not even her? might as well just make it so Knight doesn't even have a secret identity at that point" because once again, what the FUCK is a Flowey?Niggas just don't want to accept that Toby's reheating Flowey nachos here, we literally will not ever be able to figure out the exacts intricacies of how Dess became Knight from what we currently have, even if there's a lot of implications that could put together a blurry outline, just like how you could not EVER figure out how Asriel became Flowey prior to the True Lab reveals.
I don't see a single theory that addresses why the Knight is so similar to Undying Undyne besides "The Knight has Kris's original SOUL".
>>4136281The refusal to acknowledge Abnormal Dess extending to a refusal to acknowledge the knight being Abnormal at all might be one of my favorite parts of this contrarian idiocy. It's so blatantly stupid to pretend the Knight is just a fucking guy putting on an act, and yet it must be, because if the knight is abnormal in any way then Dess shoots up the suspect list again.
i believe noelle is the knight because it's the only way for some weird things in ch3 & 4 to make sensehttps://youtu.be/JYq9ikvI7LI?t=103https://deltarune.com/kris_dreemurr_kris/ [you thought you saw Undyne frozen in ice]
>>4136282It doesn't have to be Kris's soul, Queen spelled it out pretty cleanly that ALL Lightners possess the determination to create a Dark Fountain, and if she was full of shit, Ralsei wouldn't have sperged out on Berdly attempting to create one.If anything, Kriselle Knighters were onto something with the Amalgamate angle, but as we've seen with potential parallels from Spamton (a Darkner wants a Lightner's soul to achieve HEAVEN) and Pink (being comprised of a Lightner and Darkner, and the Lightner is reshaped to match a Darkner's form) it's more than likely that Dess got all mixed up with a Darker Than Dark entity, possibly something adjacent to whatever Gaster used to create the FRIENDs given their shared laugh.
For me the Knight is Carol and she's the UT Asgore of the story.
>>4136318kris better put that butte away before noelle sees it
>>4136290what about the idea that carol just has ice magic?susie does state that it "felt" like the room dropped five degrees when carol entered the house.
>>4136326can easily be handwaved away by noelle being scared that her mother came home early and unconsciously dropped it magic apparently does not exist in the light world, so i don't think any excuse flies very well for either argument
>>4136327>magic apparently does not exist in the light worlddamn, guess kris desperately wanting to be a monster and desperately trying to perform magic means nothing then.
>>4136329Magic's in a weird quasi state where it doesn't exist for most species, but is obviously what makes species like the ghosts and elementals possible (just with reduced power, i.e. ghosts can't control the physical forms they possess like they can in Undertale without a Dark World's boost).
>>4136329yes kris did do that and all that came up were stage magician books and other parlour tricks just like how it would go irl
>>4136332oh yes the fact that the kid who desperately wants to be a monster is also the kid who desperately wants to use magic means nothing.you are very smart, anon. the smartest of all.so smart that reading between the lines is below you.
>>4136333yep i sure ami always see the forest instead of the trees
Kris had magic in the dark world back when they were a kid.
What are complete braindead retard takes that just won't die? I'll start:- Red SOUL belonged to Kris from the birth. Player is a mini-parasite inside the red SOUL. (Variant: Kris' soul used to be light-blue, but then tinted red)- Kris opened the Grand Fountain in the school closetWhat are the reasons why people believe in retarded shit like that?
>>4136351I'm of the more general lens that Kris's soul changing color isn't some meta bullshit but simply a result of something that happened during or after THAT DAY, the same way Asgore's yellow silhouette during the Vaguepost Monologue turned red once he fell into his spiral of obsession.It's probably not even anything that major, basically just saying that souls can change on their own, when fandom was very much under the belief that everyone's born with a specific trait that defines them, rather than their soul changing in accordance with context, much like how the soul in-game changes of its own accord to enter the Yellow and Orange modes.
>>4136354Anon, Red SOUL always was red. Kris' SOUL was always light-blue. They never changed colors. They're two different SOULs. One is Kris' SOUL, other is [Playername]'s SOUL. Is it THAT hard to understand? It's not even a theory, it's just what it is.
>>4136355Where is it stated that Kris's soul is not his own soul? All you're doing is making it so you set up a grand total of THREE characters who are Definitely Not The Player, because soul is already acting of its own volition with its own goals and agenda in Weird Route to the point that literally no one can predict what is going to happen, and it's been that way since Chapter 2 era speculation.
>>4136357>Where is it stated that [>>>RED<<<] soul is not his own soul? Chapter 1Chapter 2Chapter 3 (indirectly)Chapter 4Chapter 5
>>4136358Ah, right, I forgot that iconic line.>See that red heart, Kris? That is NOT your soul, it is NOT the culmination of your very being!
>>4136359>Your>Name>Is>"Kris!"
>>4136360Please remember that Kris was abusing the soul since before the player ever entered his life, the birdcage is already battered and there's already a bloodstain that Toriel has seemingly long stopped caring about, likely because they keep fucking showing up from how often Kris is self-harming to torment his soul.Please also remember that Gaster is the man who made HIS DELTARUNE, he's in full control of the narrative, the backstory, the details, etc. and that the whole Goner Maker sequence was a ruse on his part. You were ALWAYS going to play as Kris, the Vessel was ALWAYS going to be discarded, because Gaster's DELTARUNE cannot a story make if the main character were a pure blank slate who exists solely to seal fountains and accumulate social points with the rest of the cast.
>>4136361>if you dismiss all the evidence then there's no evidencekek
Under Hometown Massacre what would be the consequences of doing Side B? The file where you did Side B can't be erased?
>You're not allowed to sexualize this or everyone will get mad
>>4136211A lot of people just draw her antlers like the Knight, despite the Knight's antlers not looking like any of the holidays we see.
>>4136255>>4136260Kris Knighters aren't really that raped, most of what they said was true. I mostly see people seething over them the actual Kris Knighters seething.
>>4136330I'm pretty sure Maddie's problem is that the Mew Mew figurine is too small, not that she can't correctly possess it.
>>4136211Raisei's horns literally look at two completely different directions in the portrait and the overworld sprite
>>4136351Only the second one is retarded, the first one is implied in Chapter 5 several times, especially in that scene of Aqua painting herself red.
>>4136255>patience krisI think Kris have Cyan SOUL, but is not UT's patience human.
>>4136369No idea. Undertale only has consequences because of Chara, so we can't know how Side B will brick our saves, if that will even happen.
>>4136376That scene is the evidence of the Red SOUL overwriting Kris, tho. Not Kris choosing to become red due to anger or other nonsense like that.
>>4136371Sexualize Kris forever.
>>4136330Mad Ghost is quite powerful ghost. Mettaton for example needed a whole technomagical mecha in order to move.
>>4136380Yeah, you can argue it did that by turning Kris's OG soul red.
Why didn't Kris just throw away the ThornWhy did they keep itStopping weird route would've been so insanely easy at any point
>>4136392So there's a little red SOUL that's inside Kris' SOUL? What's next, big SOUL tearing out little SOUL, then throw it in the trash? Do you even hear how it sounds?
>>4136394> (Recently, seems like weapons can't be thrown away so easily.)
>>4136394Maybe the thorns from the rose Asgore gave to Kris stuck to their hand
https://files.catbox.moe/5kq03x.mp4>actual evidence for rudy knight wowza
>>4136401Cool speculation, doesn't explain the light world shadow crystal text or any of the other massive problems with Rudyknight
>>4136369I don't think it would brick your game/save file since its kinda leading up to be sorta mandatory, or at the very least the intended experience >Side A (Shit gets so bad you wonder if you can change it with MANTLE's tips)>Side B (SLIGHTLY better than A but not by much, whatever the fuck that means)>The path in-between as foreshadowed by Gerson (Eggs? Twisted sword? Aborted?)Its possible the path inbetween is like true pacifist in undertale where its impossible to get it in your first run.
>>4136401I mean the Chapter 4 Shadow Crystal probably came from Alvin. With the new information that any Lightner's broken dream can make one that kind of removes the need for one guy to be behind all of them, and future knowledge from the prophecy still explains how the Knight could know and plan around them. Besides that there's a bunch of other problems with Rudy Knight that this doesn't feel big enough to relitagate. Susie's reasoning still makes sense for Carol, who would also want to be with her dying husband so that's kind of a mute point. Schizo Noelle Knight would be busy during the festival and be with Rudy, and I think even a Dess Knight would want to check on her dad. No idea why an Azzy knight would be missing. Besides those facts the Knight is missing during Chapter 3 as well, which can't really be explained via Rudy.
>>4136406I think the Eggs weren't supposed to be discovered until the full game was released, and that the normal ending of Side A will give you a hint on how to get them.I'm very doubtful Side B will be mandatory. It seems to explore the same themes Geno did and Geno kept asking you "why are you even doing this? There's no good ending waiting for you here".
>Knight is Carol!>It's obviously Dess retard.>Imagine missing all the clues Rudy is lampshading.None of those theories explain some unused attacks of the Knight use fire.
Everybody always insists on The Knight being one person when there's a reasonable amount of evidence to show The Knight is two characters. Carol AND Rudy.>Chapter 3>The Knight is late because Carol's always busy with something. >Doesn't put on any sassy attitude or anything. Is cold and to the point.>The sword on Kris' shoulder parallels Carol putting her hand on Kris' shoulder>When Undyne finds out she's being carried by the Mayor, she wouldn't struggle>Chapter 4>Carol physically can't be in the church>Rudy was there in her place, casing out the church to see where the best place to make a fountain is>Knight suddenly acts more rash, intentionally styling on the fun gang>Refuses to get in a fight because he can't afford to waste more of his energy after being left to go to church by himself>Chapter 5>Rudy collapses>Carol likely can't find the time to get to the new Dark World with her having to be there with family, explaining why the knight only appears right at the end again>Once again wastes no time, jumps straight to kidnapping Asgore, who would also not resist when he finds out it's her>The grief of possibly losing her husband still has her act rash enough to make mistakes (wall-sama)
>>4136411Dess-EMBER
>>4136410>I'm very doubtful Side B will be mandatoryI disagree since the game is bashing you in the head with>Is it possible to change fate/Do your choices actually matterIn the normal route. Side B is just a continuation of those ideas. Hell even the normal game has technically refuted pacifism, not even Ralsei can muster up the copium to pretend its going to lead a happier ending anymore (Probably why Flowery made him lose his shit since he's being forced to see his naive optimism manifested into a person with the knowledge of what's going to happen next).Don't think its going to be the same as UT's genocide either even if you do kill people (((meatpuppets))). Like is DR's standard route the same as Undertale? No right? Not saying he won't reuse themes or motifs, he certainly will, but its going to be different. Its a disservice to Side B to just call it Genoside 2.0
>>4136411B-side Noelle has her magic inverted, trust the plan
>>4136417If Susie can learn healing magic, then its possible anyone (or at least monsters) can learn any magic provided they stick with it + spend enough time in the dark worldWould obviously be way harder without Ralsei's guidance
>>4136395More so that our presence just corrupted their soul.
>>4136414I mean you literally drown Kris and Noelle in an evil ass hell lake and in the Word Route Ralsei mentions how he's afraid going off of the path will lead to a worse ending.
>>4136389Mettaton could move in anything, he just wanted a body that fit himself.
>>4136406The weird route is going to be as mandatory as genocide was, it's not going to be a secret needed route that isn't that bad and there's no twisted route.
>>4136411Unused content should not be used as evidence. It's unreliable in its nature
>>4136418Why would the Knight feels the need to learn fire magic, though? It's already a Dark/Star type, and the swords are doing the heavy lifting.
>>4136414Why are weird routefags so ashamed of genocide? Is it that they don't want the clear evil route to be evil because the normal route has lesbians?
>>4136410Genocide doesn't just "ask" why you're here, it has some good guesses that it's not shy about.>You didn't yet want to let the characters/world go, even if you've finished what you're here for on paper>You saw how much the game responds to and wanted to find the outer limits of what can happen>You feel spite towards characters you couldn't hurt enough in the normal route>You feel compelled to max out anything presented to you as a mechanicIt very distinctly avoided the thing the weird route is leaning into where the course of the main route has some obvious issues that it tries to make you curious about fixing. If all Toby wanted was to retread genocide except now with the angle that someone is secretly trying to convince you you should commit genocide, I feel like he could've made many aspects of the plot, the alternative route, and the hints toward the alternative route and its contents, all much simpler.
It's spreading around the Chapter 5 Noelle holding flowers description is Rudy Knight evidence because it's meant to show the Knight's vision so that's what was happening right nowI'm sorry but what the fuck are people smoking? We literally are explained in this same chapter the crystals are made from lost dreams and now suddenly this one outlier actually means something else entirelyDid people even play this game or they just watch shit on tiktok
>>4136422No that's clearly all a red herring, Side B will actually be the best ending, that's why it's called Side B, B for Best.
>>4136424Mettaton EX's Battery
>>4136429People seem to be ashamed of genocide because it was objectively the most popular part of Undertale.
>>4136422Won't deny it has evil undertones but Ralsei is the least reliable source since he's seems to have been conditioned into not breaking fate (Or created that way by big G) >>4136429Because it would be boring? Wow toby I get to kill everyone againEven as a edgyfag you can't just repeat the same thing and expect it to the have same impact. Not even including the fact its ignoring all the focus on Noelle and the constant sexual imagery and tone toby keeps shoving into your face. Like it or not its all leading somewhere... or nowhere.
>>4136433>Did people even play this game or they just watch shit on tiktokThey're just consuming Reddit/4chan/Twitter content so it's mostly "who can convince me the best".
>>4136433Visions themselves are not lost dreams. It's clearly shows self-consistent parallel timeline. It have nothing to do with "regrets". Does Kris "dreams" of Susie being miserable?>but it's shattered dream, so it's like the opposite of a dream!Okay, so opposite of Kris' dream is Noelle whispering to him and smiling at him with flowers?
>>4136431I mean, maybe Side B has multiple reasons as to why one would do it like Geno was. Maybe it's because you want to do everything the game can let you do, maybe it's because you hate these characters or maybe it's because you want some actual violence and not just darkners running away.
>>4136429Why is wanting any outcome for the weird route other than "genocide 2, you had no reason to try this" being ashamed of genocide? The game is screaming that there's another way than the main route and the weird route is the only other way that's currently apparent. What's the alternative anyway, following the prophecy actually leads to it letting you break fate and get your freedom?
Thank you Toby for being a GenocidesGOD and letting us kill everyone again.
>>4136439Ralsei's entire thing is that he wants to change fate but thinka he can't, but aside from that the presentation is so straightforwardly ominous I have a hard time not taking it at face value.
You can either change the prophecy by being nice (full recruits) and by going in-between (all Crystals and Eggs)Or you can change it by killing everyone (Side B)
>>4136441It seems there's two semi-consistent lost dreams of a different timeline in that scenario,One Kris doesn't exist - seeing through hand, Toriel holding someone elsrOne Kris and Noelle got togetherThe Susie is sad and alone could be applied to both of them, perhaps, it's not that Kris would dream of Susie suffering, but that a consequence of Kris' suffering today because of the Incident was becoming friends
>>4136442Side B is a much more narrow and less self-evident path than genocide. What you have to do for genocide is obvious enough once you've done a neutral run. Side B is something you have to WANT and work at for an extended period before you get much of anything. They only become moderately equivalent if you know both of their "deals" before going in.
The end goal of Side B isn't killing everyone, it just so happens that getting to that end goal does involve killing. Just seems logical to me. No, your objective isn't to kill everyone, but you're gonna be killing to accomplish the actual objective. I mean it's just like Mantle, in Mantle you don't kill the enemies just for fun, the main goal is to kill enough to level up to actually progress through the obstacles presented to you. Same deal here in Side B.
>>4136446Noelle says that breaking the game is "better than winning". So the Weird Route is "better" than normal ending in the mind of Noelle.
>>4136450Yeah Geno's goal was to reach the absolute and to reach that you had to kill everyone.
>>4136447>by being nice (full recruits)Castle Town is growing more discontent by the chapter. Coupled with Ralsei's room being ominously in the same floor as the Bosses (at the end, implying he's the final one) doesn't fill me with confidence.
>>4136452Genocide presented the absolute as its own goal and side B is implying there's a purpose for which you need to have reached the absolute before some story deadline, or else.
>>4136446That's fair, not trying to imply side B will have a positive ending, just that you have to consider his perspective and some of the meta implications of why he's so buckbroken into being a prophecy servantI'm curious, do you guys think Gaster WANTS you to do side B, or is it something explicitly against his wishes? Because the latter would explain why he made Ralsei
>>4136451Noelle's also crazy, especially in the weird route. Ralsei is pretty sane in comparison even if he has his own issues, besides Ralsei being afraid of the scrapped boards in Chapter 3 and being afraid of the Weird Route is just part of the ominous presentation.
>>4136455Gaster sees Side B as a nice surprise that he allows to see how it develops. He's a scientist after all
It's hard to talk about the motivation and overall what the point to the weird route is when we don't have the full game. For all we know, playing through the entire normal route will give you a clear answer as to what the point of the weird route is.
If Deltarune canonically takes place during 202X, ERAM is Spamton's benefactor, and Spamton became a big shot in 1997... Then they'd have to be 23-32 years old at minimum. Possibly, ERAM could even be far older than that.
I like killing NPCs and I cannot lie.
>>4136453Ralsei is the manifestation of the Grand Fountain. This is why he's an Impossibility, usually Fountains become Titans, but this time Fountain have an avatar instead. But Grand Fountain turning into a Titan is inevitable, therefore Ralsei becoming Titan. Doomed to be sealed/purified. Even if another Grand Fountain is opened for balance, but won't be Ralsei anymore.
>>4136458>That's it? Ten years for THAT?!>Fuck, we're going to the lake
>>4136456Noelle is crazy only from in-Universe perspective. From the Player perspective Weird Route ending is something cool/neat.
This is just a random thought, but if Deltarune's normal route is reverse Undertale, then what if 7B is reverse genocide?
>>4136466Uhhh, doubtful? I mean, it's not like you're bringing people back to life
>>4136466>Malepreg plot pointOh, now we're talking
This game is apparently honestly pretty tough for the average redditor/tumblrite/whatever to comprehend because they don't like half the plot points>Kris lowers his head after seeing Toriel dancing>Its her choice, what even is the problem? Susie was just shocked to see that Toriel was so different, and (ignores kris reaction to it), you ****s don't understand the game.>Flowery is kind of rude to Ralsei get him to wake up>I learnt in therapy that its NEVER justified to be rude to someone. So Flowery is just a asshole and there's no point to be made, we should just ignore whatever he says.
Genocide 2 Electric Boogaloo just doesn't sit right to me because you need to analyze what was the meaning of Genocide to begin with: a destruction of the narrative of the RPG you have to kill nobody, into killing everyone, undoing the story you played and commenting on the player's relationship with the videogame desiring always more and messing with your attachment to fictional characters. The fact you kill them is important in itself.The big thematic point Side B seems to track is going off the rails in a story that can't be changed by forcing a different outcome even if it's a bad one, so it doesn't feel like killing is the point, but killing for the sake of becoming stronger. And yet, you can also do a no mercy run to the same effect (except without Noelle) and that doesn't seem like it's going to change anything.And lastly it's still weird because if the point of Side B is to find a new ending, then it's directly at odds if there is a secret good ending after everything, it'd just make you a dick who chose the worst option by playing Side B.
>>4136473>it'd just make you a dick who chose the worst option by playing Side B.Yeah I guess that would be the point.
>>4136473I doubt Deltarune will have a perfect ending, I think it will be so that it leaves players with a certain degree of unsatisfaction, not that it's going to be completely unstatisfying, but it's going to have something that's not gonna sit well with everyone, and there will be some people who are going to feel like wanting a different ending from that, no matter what it takes, and that's what would naturally lead to the weird route. So basically this >>4136463 but unironically
>>4136475I simply cannot agree with this. An ending that sucks on purpose to push you to do Side B sounds okay but not in the scope of how big Deltarune came to become. Also a lame thing on purpose is still lame. Unless there is something about doing Side B that is mandatory to achieve the new super epic ending.
>>4136473>and that doesn't seem like it's going to change anythingQueen likely will die in "no recruits" route.
>>4136476Anon, great ending sometimes involve bittersweet themes. If everyone is a-okay, that's just a flat ending.
The weird route's ending was the ending Toby had a fever dream about.If there was only one ending at any point in development that ending was going to be the weird route's.The absence of a normal route ending in this hypothetical version of the game makes me think that whatever the normal ending is, it's not going to be very satisfying, and that will be part of why you'd be pushed to try for weird.
>>4136476Its not that it will suck, that it will leave you with a very bitter taste in your mouth. Like susie causing dark world third impact that kills everyone or forces a timeloop because she wants everything to repeat forever
>>4136439It being boring is not a counter argument and is completely subjective, but I didn't even mention that in my post. The point is the delusion that the weird route is required and the better ending despite clearly being the evil route. That's why people deny weird being like genocide, because they don't like that weird is the route you're evil and selfish.>>4136444Trying to break the prophecy isn't automatically a good thing, Ralsei basically spells it out in his weird exclusive dialogue.
>>4136465Noelle is also crazy in our perspective, like doing the lake skip isn't something you would think of doing.
>>4136481>Trying to break the prophecy isn't automatically a good thingYou seem to be getting confused."The good ending" is not automatically the one wherein the maximum number of characters are happy. Just because Undertale's two extreme endings were founded on that axiom doesn't mean Deltarune's will be. The best ending may not be the happiest for the characters.
>>4136466I can't believe the Vessel is going to get pregnant and birth everyone, that's why the silver cage is pregnant in 5, then.
>>4136481>It being boring is not a counter argument and is completely subjectiveIt is from the author perspectiveWhy repeat the same thing you've already doneThat's not how artfags work sorry
>>4136490Another Krusielle banger
>>4136473Genocide is also about getting stronger, Chara blatantly says that during her monologue at the end. The reason you kill everyone in genocide is to get stronger as well.
>>4136466>Chara as NoelleYour "partner" that is obsessed with getting stronger. Theres other things too, i guess.>Flowey as Ralseidies like a BITCH ,which fits Ralsei i guess. Also Ralsei has many Asriel/Flowey parallels>Sans as.... SansBreadcrumbs. 'Nuff said.>Mettaton NEO as.... um... I don't fucking know???>Undying as... uh..... Gaster????????I mean, like, Gaster shows up in waterfall i guess??? Also before Undyne turns into Undying she talks about her body "scattering into a million pieces".>Papyrus as... Papyrus???Well where else could he be?>Toriel as uhhh.... ERAM?They're both fire magicians.... uh... maybe Ralsei is a "child" of ERAM? Given ERAM is far older than Ralsei and they have alot of similarities/parallels. Also i guess Kris DOES fucking hate them so Toriel's last words work here.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX5gXHcbJAk
>>4136476The people who say this are just mindbroken over current Deltarune, especially the Suselle parts and think Toby is making them suffer in purpose for the hacking kino ending where the lesbian pairing doesn't happen instead. Which just isn't true.
>>4136495>noooo the heckin wholesome lesbians route HAS to be the only one anyone likes and anyone who wants anything else is secretly a heckin chud!
>>4136467Did you anons really forget about reverse undertale theory? That's like the only chapter 2 era patternfag theory still kicking.
>>4136484Almost every foreshadowing we have of weird seems to imply it's a bad ending in general, too. You're not getting a good ending in general just by breaking the prophecy.>>4136488All of Toby's games repeat the same concepts, even shitpost hacks like peepee.exe has concepts that are in Undertale and now Deltarune. Toby is also the one who added genocide parallels to the weird route already.
>>4136495>think Toby is making them suffer in purposeHe's been hunting us since the Mike days...
>>4136496Thanks for immediately proving my point.
>>4136499The earthbound halloween hack, peepee.exe, the genocide route and the weird route all cover similar concepts but none of them are actually the same thing. 7B will almost certainly involve a lot of killing, but it won't be a literal genocide run.
>>4136499I'm not disagreeing with your assessment that the WR will be sad for the characters, but the idea that it's going to be a purely negative experience that you had solely outside reasons to go through just like genocide is silly.I don't want the type of ending you're defining as "good" from the weird route. I want to break the prophecy.
The notion of a "good/best" ending is subjective anyway. I hate most of the cast so a tragic ending that leaves most of them miserable would actually be the best ending in my opinion, but I think not everyone would agree with htis.
>>4136506I like the characters, so i want a tragic ending that leaves all of them miserable.
>>4136506Not only do I not care about the state the cast is "left" in, I think it's kind of silly to worry about it in one of the few games where your outside control is this canon. You can manufacture a save file at the exact part of the plot where everyone is happiest and leave it there for the rest of time if that's what matters to you.But I want to see the characters pushed to their limits in the weird route, because I like them and want to know more about them.
>>4136499Maybe it's a bad ending for a lot of people, but not for the person [playername] wants to save (which can't be done in the normal ending).
>>4136510>I think it's kind of silly to worry about it in one of the few games where your outside control is this canon. You can mod the game so the ending is even happier. It would even be canon because the game clearly tells you to make Chapter 7 yourself.
>>4136506It won't be strictly speaking a good or bad ending. It will likely leave the cast in an uncertain state that maybe they'll be happy or not, and the player is invited to write what happens next. Not that you literally make Chapter 7 yourself but 7 would be the road to allow all the meta fuckery to happen and fighting the Nightmare (just like Link's awakening) that wants to leave that world as it is and through the pen of hope you create the possibility of a new story.
>>4136503>>4136504I don't think 7B will be a literal repeat of genocide either, even if board 3 comes to pass it's obviously going to be different from it. Genocide is also not a purely negative experience, either.>>4136512I really don't know who we could even save in the weird route but not in normal, Noelle will get USED UP and the black deer dies, too. The only person that can probably get saved is us.
>>4136490>>4136492>Another Krusielle bangerLMAO
Is the fan popular idea of fighting Susie and Ralsei in Side B really plausible? First, we don't know if they will be seen again wherever Kris and Noelle have gone to. Second, Susie's role is being phased out of her relevance in the story and its final step so far denies Susie and Noelle becoming a thingThe third part is Ralsei never tries to stop Kris from doing Side B, and the dark world he would've gotten the character development to build the courage to act on his own strenght was skipped. Maybe Side B won't have anything to do with these two and maybe it shouldn't, imo even the interesting fan works like that game released a while ago had their fight feeling a little disconnected from the narrative of Side B.
>>4136188He already sold the game, it's more bank to shill poor quality plushies than the actual game now.
>>4136526Ralsei I can kinda see but Susie randomly appearing in nowhere would be jarring even if you just handwaive it away with 'Sans did it'Like you said it would be better if they just didn't appear and Side B was entirely focused on non fun gang stuffSusie is probably gonna end up being the final boss of the normal route anyway so it would be redundant.
>>4136526Under Hometown Massacre it's plausible they're gonna try to stop you.
>>4136530How is Ralsei gonna stop you from killing people in Hometown if he's not real
It's okay, you can keep it
>>4136532Susie can though
>>4136506>yada yada yadaLook, I personally don't like the UT pacifist ending that much, but I would never call it bad.It's inoffensive and satisfying for what the game was trying to do.I think Deltarune's ending will be bad because it will go out of its way to make players feel cheated out of something.
>>4136541Some people unironically believe Toby will do this but with New Game+
>>4136540And that is part of the intent, so I think it's good writing.
>>4136543>It's bad on purpose!This is never good writing
>>4136544>the ending evokes bad feelings on purpose?>no, it must just be written wrong
>>4136526Yes because it's on board 3. It's happening.
If a character I like dies for the ending I'll hold a memorial feast (open a few candies) for them like that one Homelander pic
>>4136532It's obvious that the world will be covered in darkness in all chapter 7s.
Doesn't Asgore, Pink and the flowers showing up mean that board 3 signify that it CAN'T represent 7B? Flower Kingdom is a Kris dark world, which would be impossible in the context of 7B...
>>4136546Sure, just like Castle Town is intentionally bad because hoarding stuff without purpose is bad and the festival was intentionally bad because small town festivals are lame
>>4136553No. The flowers aren't darkners, they aren't tied to a specific Dark World, and I'm sure the world is covered in darkness during all Chapter 7s.
>>4136554Castle town is going south because the Darkners are incompatible, because not all fantasies can coexist.The festival was peanuts compared to the dark worlds.I know you really wanted these things to be purely good and feel like Toby is failing by not delivering that, that doesn't change the facts.
>>4136553A lot of mantle straight up doesn't make sense with what happened in chapter 5 (Like the sequence of you stabbing Ralsei and Susie) so its hard to sayMy head-canon is that nowhere is Gaster's meat factory where he creates copies of the main cast for each save file or some shit. Would also explain why you fight multiple copies of the same enemy like fish (Undyne?) or dinosaurs(Alphys)
>>4136546This isn't South Park. That show was irreverent for m the very beginning, when it dunks on the audience it's not out of nowhere.Deltarune's demo on the other hand hardly has any hint of being that kid nd of story, and it set up the image of the game across the 6 years we were stuck with it.
>>4136557Nothing stops him from underdelivering yet again, this time in the most important part of the story he's been hyping for years, yes that would be horrible and I won't accept the excuse it was bad for intentional reasons
>>4136559>an ending that doesn't please me specifically would only be the result of an attempted dunk on the audienceDunking on the genre is not dunking on the audience.>but I came here for the genreEither you're lying or your IQ is below room temperature because the game made it clear it wasn't being a straight example of the genre from the demo.
>>4136558>you stabbing Ralsei and SusieOnce again, that might have been just an allegory for ditching them in 5.
>>4136561Nothing stops him from under delivering but nothing makes it look particularly likely either if you aren't fandom poisoned enough to think the real world festival "underdelivered" on what was actually promised.
>>4136555The Flowers were specifically given their own "will" by Kris, since the structure of a dark world is built upon the mind of the one who opened it. Also, flowers are not sentient despite being alive. Which is why despite not being darkners they are very similar to them. Additionally the flowers embody many of the "parallels" between chapter 3 and 5's dark worlds, which in turn reflect Kris's own characterization. If it were Asgore or the knight opening the fountain the flowers would be very different.
>>4136558MANTLE is sort of inherently "mixed up". You do the lake skip before you freeze Berdly.
>>4136562>please me specificallyYou're truly an UTDR fan, you don't pay attention to the text >>4136540>Dunking on the genre is not dunking on the audience.Gente parodies normally make it very clear they're genre parodies from the start. Deltarune never did that.>the game made it clear it wasn't being a straight example of the genre from the demo.Why? Because Mr. Wingdings was a little bit spooky at the start? Because the ch1 ending is a reference to demon Chara? Because Spamton said something about strings?Get real anon. That demo was 90% just a comedic cartoon story.Undertale maybe have been an attempt at JRPG subversion but the whole "make friends with your quirky enemies" is essentially a genre unto itself now.
>>4136522>and the black deer dies, tooAnon, are you taking that board too literally AGAIN? Black monster stuff is supposed to be a flashback
>>4136568>Why? Because Mr. Wingdings was a little bit spooky at the start? Because the ch1 ending is a reference to demon Chara? Because Spamton said something about strings?Yeah.
I prefer to take Mantle 3 literally rather than just ignore it and say it's an allegory/metaphor/whatever the fuck
>>4136568Why do you reply to the schizo? Is having same arguments over and over again ad nauseam fun? Just hide his posts.
>>4136572It's all a metaphor for sweaty sex between childhood friends.
>>4136566That's not true. It's straight up said that the flowers were the ones who created their own form based on their dreams, not Kris. The flowers are also sentient in the Light World, they just have a higher consciousness in the dark that allows them to manifest their dreams. They would show up no matter ghe fountain. >>4136567The lake skip is the maze where you follow the white cloak right after freezing Berdly.
>>4136572But it doesn't make sense at all if you interpret it literally. EVERY interpretation of MANTLE requires you to consider most of it as a metaphor/allegory
>>4136572?
>>4136569The black monster is the epic 7B Knight rematch.
>>4136575>sentientThey're alive. I wouldn't necessarily call them "sentient". You need a nervous system (or equivalent) for that.
>>4136580It has to be Vessel...
>>4136572This. People just don't like it because it shows weird route isn't just the Kriselle route.
>>4136568>it will go out of its way to make me feel cheated>this is the intent>but that's bad because... because it just is, okay?!No.>Why? Because Mr. Wingdings was a little bit spooky at the start? Because the ch1 ending is a reference to demon Chara? Because Spamton said something about strings?All of that, plus stuff like Ralsei being outright wrong, Susie disobeying you, the fact that the prophecy is presented in character, the manual being mostly useless, and characters taking roles like "the bad guy" seriously. And most of all, being made by Toby fucking Fox.
>>4136580>Knight PoV section (similar to Susie/Ralsei PoV scenes)>Kris suddenly backstabs the Knight Chara-style
>>4136580It would be fun if the 7B Knight rematch has them die in one hit only they attack first and it's one long attack like Sans in the latter half of his fight.
Now what if they divided that one long attack into several subsections, and gave the player brief pauses where they could act or consume items in between? They could call those pauses "turn", and even include dialogue during these "turns." Now that would be badass
>>4136582That's who you're playing as.
>>4136591What if we killed you
>>4136591Hell no man, we need more half baked piss easy clones of other games!
>>4136575I believe the flowers have more freedom in choosing their forms due to their sentience, but there's still some Kris in there. If someone else made the fountain I don't think all of the flowers would take so many elements from Kris.
>>4136575>It's straight up said that the flowers were the ones who created their own form based on their dreams, not Kris.They created their form based off of their will, and their will was directly created and influenced by Kris's psyche when they opened the fountain. Fountain openers aren't literally thinking of every single character and plot point of the dark world they create, so the darkners (or in this case plantners) within still have free will. But darkners being influenced by the psyche of its opener is explicitly canon.>The flowers are also sentient in the Light World, they just have a higher consciousness in the dark that allows them to manifest their dreams.By this logic every single object is sentient since darkners remember their past and have their own wishes and desires even without a fountain open. Of course regular darkners are still influenced by the fountain even with this, so it should apply the the flowers where this is PROVEN TO BE THE CASE.>They would show up no matter ghe fountain.*theThey would not be the same. Flowery's traits and characteristics are specifically caused by Flower Kingdom being a Kris fountain. If the knight created chapter 5's fountain Flowery would probably be more straightforward and far less meta. Which applies to every other chapter villain created by the knight.
>>4136573you win a internet arguments by being the last one to say anything I also have no idea why I'm still here
>>4136593I have a schizo theory that Toby actually intended us to think of Rudyknight first and basically have us think "Damn, this guy is TOTALLY the Knight", but Dessknight took off instead.So all those suspicious Rudy lines are a toby misdirection and he's not the Knight.
>>4136575The ocean in the tropical board is specifically based off of the depths. You need three "grand photos" to reach the ocean, with these photos being based off of current and future dark worlds (A FLOWER SLICED IN HALF). When you reach the OCEAN you enter ATLANTIS, which leads you to a musical area where Tenna brings up Dess. (who is the roaring knight btw.) At the absolute edge of the ocean is the ice palace which probably represents Nowhere. It is an area BEYOND the ocean normally COMPLETELY OUT OF REACH outside of the sword route, which tenna doesn't want you to reach. The ice palace is also entirely centred around weird route.There's also this.>THEY SAY WHEN TWO TRUE LOVERS STAND SIDE BY SIDE HERE...>THE RAINBOWED BRIDGE TO ATLANTIS WILL APPEAR.And of course... this "RAINBOWED BRIDGE" made by "TWO LOVERS" is used to cross the ocean. Does this sound familiar to you?
>>4136599That would make sense given RudyKnight being canon creates like 500 plotholes that would never be addressed.
>>4136595The flowers have elements from Kris because he was one of the people they watched the most. That's all.>>4136596You're arguing against the literal text of the game. Flowery says that they watched the customers pass by and wanted to be like them. He says that they aren't darkners and are alive in the Light World and that the darkness simply gives them higher consciousness. They're not like objects. Meanwhile there's nothing saying Flowery is the way he is because of Kris, especially when he doesn't even like Kris and can notice he changed.Anyways the flowers simply gain higher consciousness in the dark. Their forms are based on their own experience seeing life through glass, choosing a form to fulfill their dream.
>>4136599Rudyknight is only convincing if you experienced Deltarune through tiktok edits
i hope all knight theorists get mike'd
>>4136602Tenna's game is not Mantle, and you don't use the mage to go to the ice palace, but you do with the maze, going to a place that no one has gone before that's also Eram's hiding place.
>>4136608Just a question, what do you think >>4136599 is saying?
>>4136609But Mike is real though?
>>4136332>and all that came up were stage magician books and other parlour tricksKris literally summoned a fucking DEMON according to Catti tho. I wonder if that happened AFTER Dess disappeared, like maybe Kris brought her back from Nowhere, but something went wrong. That, or the demon is ERAM... or Ralsei.
>>4136592No, I'm playing as a retard who has a will of its own and an ugly face.My Vessel is still safely tucked in the bunker, trust.
>>4136607"One of the people they watched the most" doesn't explain why all of them share traits with Kris and why every single one decided to be a human. There's Aqua, a lone flower I can understand, but Yellow pulls from Kris' suicidal tendencies, Green is silent and cooks, Seth is a gender confused bird lover, Orange wants to be something she's not, Blue is a thief with a flair for the dramatic and even Flowery who is totally different, is a striking contrast to Kris in particular and everything they're not.
>>4136616Why would the demon be a shapeshifting gay goat that wants to please Lightners
Orang Noelle
>>4136619Counter-theory: Asgore keeps talking about his life to the flowers, so they simply emulate the traits that resonates the most with them.Goblin energy Kris? You get Aqua.Russian roulette cause of failed case? You get Yellow.She could do no wrong? You get Blue.Azzy was loved by everyone? You get Green.And so on. I'm sure you could map some of the Holiday here.
>>4136623Why is Dess talking to Noelle like she's her mom?
>>4136619They also share traits with other characters, too. Like Yellow being suicidal can be an Asgore thing, Green cooking can be a Toriel thing, Seth is a Berdly thing, etc. They aren't exclusively Kris.
>>4136626It's an older sibling thing.
>>4136625>>4136627I'm not denying that they have other influences, their personal histories and dreams are at the core of their characters, but you have to admit there are a lot of coincidences for different flowers who are unlikely to all derive so heavily from one person, even if that one person is important to Asgore. They're just their own characters with a special Kris flavor.
This cactus darkner met Kris and started ovulating I'm dying son
>>4136634Relatable
>>4136634They're literally me...
>>4136607Both Tenna and Flowery are very similar>Both are humorous tumblr sexyman villains>Both have introduction cutscenes that completely break the games artstyle>Both characters are very meta-aware and have ridiculous fourth-wall breaking powers.>Both are start out being friendly with the lightners and only become more hostile after their interests are directly opposed, contrasted by King and Queen who are hostile to the lightners as soon as they show up.>Both use their own chapter exclusive currency (POINTS and F$)>Contrasting Knight fountains ending in power of friendship scenes where all your RECRUITS come to help you, Kris fountains either have your RECRUITS totally absent and abandoning you, or the power of friendship and RECRUITS are used against you.>Both have a theme of wanting to return to the past>Both have a very thin veil of "theater" to them, with the darkners within explicitly acknowledging they are only playing roles.>Kris fountains are focused on light-hearted fun, whereas Knight fountains are focused on setting the stakes of the story and advancing the plot.>Both have blue and yellow characters who are a romantic coupleDid the flowers also absorb all of these narrative parallels from watching Kris?
>>4136634To be fair this is the closest they'll ever get to Kris.You didn't flirt with the watercooler, right anon? You didn't taint the only dream the cactus will ever get, right??
>>4136642>Did the flowers also absorb all of these narrative parallels from watching Kris?Asgore is implied to talk about the past (and Kris by extension) all the time.
>>4136607>He says that they aren't darkners and are alive in the Light World and that the darkness simply gives them higher consciousness.Flowers still aren't sentient. This is why planters are considered distinct from lightners. Though they're alive they have no true conscious or will until a fountain is opened.
>>4136642>>Kris fountains are focused on light-hearted fun, whereas Knight fountains are focused on setting the stakes of the story and advancing the plot.Kris fountains are here to delay the plot.>>>Both have blue and yellow characters who are a romantic coupleStop noticing thing. We are in Suselle's world and Kris is merely passing by.
Oh good it's raped™ time again.
>>4136646Both King and Queen have directly interacted with Kris before but do not have any of these parallels, so we can assume these traits are inherent to Kris fountains. So, when a darkner embodies these parallels is it not because of the will of the one who created the fountain? Which is literally stated to be the case and is demonstrated by Susie's 2nd sanctuary being totally different from the Knight's 1st and 3rd sanctuaries?
Say, if the blue and yellow couples represent Kris's subconscious desire for Kriselle then does Rouxls stealing Lanino from Elnina (and the RAINBOWED ROAD to ATLANTIS being considered "impure") represent Kris subconsciously seething about Suselle?
>>4136653I'm still not convinced.Tenna and Flowery might both embody the theme of nostalgia to a degree, but that's it. Tenna is totally subservient to Kris and wants to go back to the good old times, while Flowery wants Asgore to revel in the present as long as he can. Both Asgore and Kris are stuck in the past to some degree, hence the parallel.Most of Kris' influence of Flower World can be seen in the totally-not-Field of Hopes and Dreams which is explicitly created to snare Susie. That influence fades as you go deeper.
>>4136657Can you believe it guys? October ends next week! Will we get a newsletter at the end of the month?
>>4136660We already got it broski >>4136541
>>4136660Don't know why I made this post a reply but sure.
>>4136655>Lanina and Elnina both represent the ideal of Kris's parents getting back together and Kris getting to be together with Noelle even after becoming distantI see you're using your dark worlds as a coping mechanism, Kris.
>>4136660Maybe
>>4136650all times are raped time with nu-rune
>>4136664>using your dark worlds as a coping mechanismHe wouldn't be the first.>I finally have friends that won't abandon me!>I finally gets to the city we talked about when we were kids!
>>4136666>Nu-runeThere's no nu-rune, it's always been the same Deltarune from the beginning.
>>4136642Yes, unironically.
>>4136647They can remember the time before the fountain and that's where their dream was born, so they aren't completely brainless.
>>4136655Toby just likes those types of couples, look at Alphyne.
>>4136670Darkners can also do this though. Tenna desires for people to pay attention to him and he's had this desire even before becoming a darkner. The flowers desires can be more complex, since plantners are more "advanced" than darkners.
>>4136673Flowers also have the benefit of their roots, which allows them to see into the darkness that no one else can see, which is why Flowery is such a gigaknower about how to fuck around with Dark Worlds to the point that he's able to manifest honest to god Power of Friendship through Omega Flowery to compensate for his fake stats.
>>4136668>human lightners>no shadow crystals >no ties to UT>no spamton (laughs)
>>4136671Did Alphyne have all those "red flags"? Could it be interpreted as a doomed ship?
>>4136680NTA but I could see Suselle being a doomed ship if Deltarune actually kept us with the Chapter 1 demo and nothing else, and only made a later release as a full game proper, but we got the episodic route, and the game's been sitting on "yeah, Suselle's totally happening" since 2021 with all the Chapter 2 setup compared to Chapter 1 only very loosely implying the possibility with a one-on-one interaction between Kris and Noelle.Toby knows better than to make people wait years and years for this relationship to finally blossom, only to tear it apart. That's what the snowflake weirdos call "queerbaiting", and it'd be one of the few fast tracks to pissing them off and breaking the idea that Toby is a do-no-wrong God Emperor of Indie Games.
So do you anons know have any ideas on what the recurring blue/green colour motif is associated with yet?
>>4136684Can you give some more examples? I don't recall it being that important, blue/yellow and purple/green seem to show up more
>>4136684Thanks doc
>>4136684Opposition or counterpart to the pink/yellow motif?
>>4136687Newfag
>>4136684>recurringThe only other instance I remember is Queen with her battery acid.
>>4136685Lolidom
>>4136684HMMMMMMMMMM>Blue and green is frequently grouped together with pink and yellow, especially in the context of FRIEND>ERAM is linked to the blue/green motif from MANTLE and spr_nondescript_room_hands, and so is Jevil>Chapter 2, the beginning of the weird route excessively uses the blue/green motif.>Ralsei and Kris, which are the two OTHER characters that are frequently paired together by the narrative have the blue/green motif, and are also the GigaKnowers of the fun gang.>Kanotynes playing card designs, which were one of the first inspirations for deltarune and used for card kingdom has a blue/green colour scheme.>Blue and Green are one of the four colours mentioned during the [Equip] scene in chapter 4.>Both blue and green are deeply linked to darkness>The colour blue is specifically tied to the prophecy from the panels being glowing blue, and the colour is associated with the Depths>ERAM's black text, when revealed turns blue. Gerson talks about "A path so blue its all you can see">The colour green is associated with the DEVICE (Gaster, the menu, the battle box, the "strings" Spamton has.) healing, potentially education and knowledge in general.>Dark fountains are frequently depicted as greenWhat mean?
>>4136630>honeyno it's not
>>4136695Theres also the emphasis around Kris being blue in the dark worlds, i guess. Blue generally has a lot of symbolic value in Deltarune.
>>4136697You simply didn't have a close older sister or you'd know.
>>4136700My older sister wasn't my wife, no
>>4136685Lucky bastard.
>>4136701Dess wasn't Noelle's wife, else Elly would try to romance a substitute- wait.
>>4136703>Carolspiracy wants to (hypothetically) bring Dess back>Carol ultra hates Susie>Dess (and Asriel)((and Kris))(((and also Noelle))) think dragon people are hot>Noelle has incestuous feelings for Dess but that'd be too tabooWhat if Carol's plan is to kidnap Susie and use Susie's body so Dess can possess her and live again normally in Susie's body? Dess could be happy again, live a normal life and have sex with everyone who's into her.
>>4136700"my brave little flower" is definitely more like something a parent would say than a sibling
>>4136411Regardless if it's Rudy, i had the idea that the crystal vision it's from the Knight PoV since ch3+4, the only way this vision to make sense if it's the Knight watching Undyne after snowgraving her, this doesn't really explain visions that are clear from Kris pov but who knows, maybe it's from various people
>>4136709forgor >>4136401
>>4136709I always assumed the shadow crystals showed the original timeline of Deltarune.
>>4136695I have two guesses>1. ERAM is inherently tied to the blue/green motif like how FRIEND is inherently tied to the pink/yellow motif.>2. Blue/green seems to represent "knowledge", "education" and the "rules of the world" in multiple forms, but to what extent im uncertain. Blue is tied to the prophecy, darkness and the revealing of hidden information. Green is tied to the DEVICE and gigaknowers in general and Ralsei, whom educates you on how to use the "menu" of the dark worlds.
>>4136693Actually now that i think about it, isn't Queen's battery acid a metaphor for dark fountains?>Queen's mansion is powered by a running river of green liquid>Dark worlds are "powered" (ie. given form) by a "running river" (as described by asgore) of "green liquid" (See: Dark fountains being shown as green, the grand photo in Legend of Tenna's board 2 foreshadowing chapter 6 describes its fountain as a "GREEN GEYSER". Darkness is also associated with water in Deltarune.)
>>4136711Yeah that too, like the tv being smashed happens but not enough to the point tenna can get fixed, maybe in og he did get slashed in half like the phophecy
>>4136719Why is Kriscest so popular in south Asia?
>>4136718Might be. Dark Worlds like their microcosms.
>>4136718It also shrinks things (acid river)
>>4136709The Shadow Crystal can't be the Knight's PoV because it's deliberately Kris' POV. In Chapter 4 the crystal has specific descriptions in the prophecy panel rooms, and the final prophecy room.
>>4136700>>4136701>>4136703Desselle is canon.
>>4136722Probably some part of their culture, it is strange on how popular Kris x Kris is in the east in general versus the west.
>>4136755>Asriel kissed Dess>Kris had a crush on Dess>Nolle had a crush on Dessshe had legendary rizz
https://youtu.be/oCnK4rO5YQ0
>>4136762Overwritten wordslop
>>4136616>according to cattiyou answered your own question for mecatti is not a reliable source of information, she also didn't even see what happened, if anything actually didand yes it happened after dess left, it's recent enough that susie knows about it
Lost where the forest would grow, the children followed the pointed tail.The poor children!
>>4136761Kris having a crush on Dess is pure fanon btw.
Is the demon Heart in raise up your bat supposed to be a reference to the Soul?
>>4136789THAT's the crush you take issue with?
>>4136791Yuri incest is canon for Anon.
>>4136791why would kris have a crush on her doelester?at least with noelle they were the same age and were both being doelesteda trauma bond kinda thing
>>4136798>hertheir*
>>4136800dess...
>>4136800kris only became nonbinary as a trauma response to being raped btw, this is a known phenomena with women
This little girl haunts the narrative on the same level of Dess.
>>4136809To this day, I still don't understand how Kris can play Shop_3 before encountering Maddie.
>>4136810thats because the dark world inherits the music theme in kris' mind
>>4136803Poor Kris. Imagine how terrified she must have been when this happened.
>>4136811Still. Why does Kris' mind holds that melody?
>>4136810I mean he plays a song internally called seven fourToby fox made a song called 74 which is about a shit repeating because a evil dragon (HMMMM) doesn't want to stop being a princess/stop being specialBut also >>4136811>>4136815Just like how Gaster is the author, Kris is the author of his dark worlds. Hell maybe he's technically the composer of all his dark world's songs, he plays lancer's theme as well no?
>>4136815Maybe Kris has already played this game over and over, trying to find a solution to whatever is coming.
>>4136815He already went through it. That's why he's never surprised - if he flinches, it's due to emotional damage.
>>4136361>because Gaster's DELTARUNE cannot a story make if the main character were a pure blank slate who exists solely to seal fountains and accumulate social points with the rest of the cast.Found someone who hates jrpgs more than Toby Fox
Agree with everything but Filipino yellow
>>4136820>because an evil dragon (HMMMM) doesn't want to stop being a princesskris playing a song about not wanting to stop being a princess when they think no one's around to hear them, hmm... how curious... it sounds pretty femkris coded to me
>>4136826>gives the funny accents to the ONE canonically mute character (green)fuck that shit, british orange ftw
>>4136826Aqua is spiritually italian
>>4136827Sorry dude, Kris being the dragon sounds really cool but Susie is way too deep into the eternity stuff for anyone else to take her place. Kris seems like they're indecisive on where they stand on the eternity/finality matter, Susie is all in.
>>4136810Kris can even play the final prophecy theme, he just knows all future tracks.
>>4136826I prefer these.
>>4136810Timeloop, he's already been through all of this, but now (You) exist as a new variable compared to whatever Kris was dealing with beforehand.This is why he has such contempt for the soul, the entity who was previously dragging him around sucked ass, and he doesn't know that there's someone new.Weird Route allows the previous entity to reclaim control, which is why soul has a very specific agenda in how it makes Weird Route happen, knowing things the player does not and doing weirdly particular things that only make sense to someone with a very clear plan and vision.
>>4136834susie already took the girl/noelle's spot, she cant be the dragon at the same time anymore, plus, the dragon's purpose is to be stopped by the heroes as seen in gerson's story, guess who will try to stop who when the kris betrayal is revealed?the dragon (who happens to be A girl but not THE girl) role can easily be filled by someone else other than susie, that being kris, and the vessel was meant to fill in the cage spot.
>>4136841>YellowOH NO HE'S HOT!!!!
>>4136843Lord of the Hammer isn't 1:1 with the prophecy, we've been over this.The heroes at no point do battle in chariots to save the Queen, discovering a lost land is optional, and the inferno of jealousy sure as fuck never stirred in the field of pink and gold.
>>4136841Blue ate. If blue looked like that I'd like the character a lot more
>>4136843Why do you think the dragon is an actual prophecy role? It's metaphorical, and metaphorically Susie fits the description best, especially if her wanting eternity puts her in an antagonistic role once again
South Asian Seth (neeenager who reads mha fanfic on amino or whatever mentally ill teenage girls do)
>>4136841Sex with all of them.
>>4136850Because he mistakenly believes Lord of the Hammer is a reliable source for the prophecy, when Gerson himself literally said it's derivative and full of his own original ideas.This is also a mistake that people are making with Dragon Blazers, using it as "evidence" that Ralsei will leave the party because the fire mage leaves in Dragon Blazers, or "evidence" that Dess will join the party because your cursed older sister joins in Dragon Blazers.
>>4136846the japanese version says >"The heroes fight from a carriage to rescue the queen"saving doesnt really apply to either noelle and queen since they aren't in danger, so this line is in reference to the bumping cars section where you fight berdly in an attempt to save noelle, althrough, of course, gerson's interpretation seems to place another character in noelle's situation, but you can infer that it's similar to the main game by thinking of what it means.>"The heroes travel across the islands and catch a fleeting glimpse of the lost lands."technically accurate given you do play the minigames and you do catch a glimpse of the lost lands before board 2 begins even if you dont try going to the northern lights>"A vast garden is consumed by the flames of jealousy."fun fact, the whole "The vast garden is charred in an inferno of jealousy." thing is different in japanese, there was never gonna be shit literally burning down, it was just metaphorical jealousy, which is already portrayed through ralsei being a salty bitch towards floweryagain, you can infer that it's similar to the main game by thinking of what it means. the lord of the hammer can be used to support the "Kris dragon" thing in a way
>>4136846The inferno was metaphorical between Flowery and Ralsei.
>>4136843>susie already took the girl/noelle's spotShe THINKS she's the heroNOBODY CAN CHOOSE WHO THEY ARE IN THIS WORLDFate is already reasserting itself by having Noelle join the fun gang
>>4136863>you need to play the game in Japanese to actually understand the storyIt makes complete sense, actually, Toby has gone on record saying that he writes his games to feel like they were Japanese games that were translated to English, and more often than not English translations completely butcher the original text and transforms it into something else, so Deltarune's English version being complete nonsense and the Japanese translation being the one that is clear and understandable makes complete sense. Toby is a true genius.
Deltarune fans getting pissed over Spanish people complaining should shut up and be grateful that THEY got an English translation of Tobī "Hōshāsen" Radiation Fokkusu's JRPG masterpiece deltarune in the first place
>>4136902Callate maricon
Kriselle is so fucking powerful that xhitter fears it..
>>4136904I like it when the Soul appears in a Kriselle comic
>>4136904Yuri Kriselle is STRONG.
>>4136825What about this looks like "hating JRPGs" to you? The implication that a blank slate main character might not be a one size fits all best choice for every JRPG's story ever?
>>4136931Id say it fits all pretty much every timeAs opposed to everyone else who hates the idea and makes long video essays about how much they hate it.
>>4136846>The heroes at no point do battle in chariots to save the QueenFUCKINGMECHASYOU RETARDand "saving" the queen is getting her out of her delusions
>>4136892a delightfully hackish excuse to do away with any accusations of him shitting the bedbravo tobias, you're really earning your place on the council of hacks and has-beens
>>4136826flowery jap americanaqua japaneseseth koreangreen canadianblue brazilianyellow mexican americanorange mexicanpink japanese / maddie american
>>4136939No, it only fits generic stories.
>>4136904anyone saved all the pics?
>>4136752>blue and green>pointed (tail)>kris and ralsei are both connected to erambros...
>>4136846>and the inferno of jealousy sure as fuck never stirred in the field of pink and gold.im still all in on 'kris burns down flower king'even better if susie goes full retard and blames ralsei for it happening
>>4136684Ralsei is the outsider.Kris/Susie/Noelle are Cyan/Magenta/Yellow.
>>4136559>Deltarune's demo on the other hand hardly has any hint of being that kind of [metaslop] storyYour Gaster theorybait slop though???
>>4136987Kris French arc would be based
>>4136974I did. Let's hope it's postable.
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>>4136971You have no right to take what i want. Your fucking deltarune wouldn't exist without a Dragon Quest that did literally all of its mechanics better on the first try.
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>>4137025>>4137026>>4137027>>4137028This was too spicy for X (formerly twitter)?If they just named the liquid anything else than blood it would have been fine then?
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>>4137031>>4137029My best guess is that the astronomical quantity if blood got the artwork flagged as gore by the AI.
>>4136684>Mayans linked the color to Chaac, the god of rain and fertilityrain + berdly mpreg arc
>>4137032End.
>>4137032this whole thing feels like one of those kriselle posts that miraculously predicts the next weird route plot points
>>4137032wait a minute, this is just a sanitized version of how yuka dies in corpse party 98!
>>4137035Author have a prior comic that predicted almost 1:1 Noelle's dissociation and subsequent breakdown in CH5, so I'd believe it.
How are the other ships' fanarts and fancomics, by the way? It feels like Kriselle gets the lion's share of it, but that's impossible given all the support Suselle has. Am I missing something?
>>4137037link?but I was mainly referencing that old flowey noelle comic
>>4137039Krusie used to get a ton of art and comics before the great happening of Capitulo 5Now it's just a shambling corpse with some stragglers here and there high on copium
>>4137039Thinking about others ships is meaningless. The game clearly wants your attention in this one.
>>4137039Asgore/Mad Mew Mew had a little bit of artwork before and now it has been completely swallowed by Kris/Pink or even Pink/Ghost.
>>4137040I think anon is referencing this comichttps://x.com/GOOMYLOID/status/1993782485432586461
>>4137043Patently false. Game wants you to support Suselle.
>>4137039The only other real ships alive are Krerdly and Kralsei, every non-Suselle ship with Susie in it's dead as fuck because Chapter 5 gave the canon lock, and with how squarely fandom is in the "IT HAS TO BE CANON-COMPLIANT TOBYCORE" mindset, any non-Suselle ship is basically verboten now.
>>4136841All blue soul human art has been tainted ever since Blue was revealed to be a faggot. Instead of a black girl in a tutu which was already woke enough as it is, now it's always a m*le black homo representing the blue human.
>>4137052still doesn't explain why the world is virtually flooded with kriselle instead of the canon ship
>>4137057Because Kriselle has the "what could have been" tragedy behind it, countless hypothetical moments of friendship and/or romance had Kris not distanced himself.Suselle doesn't really NEED fanart anymore because now all the shippers know they can look forward to canon material for their ship, that and they want to wait until Chapter 7 to see what the final outlooks for these characters are so they can start writing their "after the story" fluff continuations of the pair.
>>4137050game also goes out of it's way to show that kris hates suselle
>>4137050>Game wants you to support SuselleThen the game should put more effort into Suselle. I'll never support this nonsense that reads like it was written by a 9 year old.
>>4137060He doesn't want YOU to fumble the relationship of his friends, learn to read
>>4137061This shit was actually written for children. More specifically, to groom them into thinking its normal. Why does no one else call this out?
>>4137060Which is because Kris is the villain, and naturally the villain must oppose the heroes, but he also can't ruin that romance because the prophecy DEMANDS that love find its way to The Girl.Every other character is in rabid support of Suselle and will shit on Kris (AKA you) for not being right there with them.
>>4136472Don't forget>People denying that Noelle and Kris liked each other because it'd get in the way of Suselle
>>4137059>Suselle doesn't really NEED fanart anymoreHoly COPE, Susellekek. Suselle gets so few art pieces because it's poorly written garbage, even some retarded lesbians from X realize that.
>>4137059But Kriselle itself technically has a route thanks to WR. Isn't waiting for Chapter 7 dangerous? What if, years down the line, everyone mostly remember the tragic almost-romance as the highlight and not the fluffy canonical one?
>>4137064kris is the hero, susie is a virus that ruined the plot, ruined the castle town, ruined the festival, ruined the battle system, and ruined the characters
>>4137063>Why does no one else call this out?Because the fan base consists of people who actually support things like that.
>>4137039>impossible Dood the wr lake alone pumped shitton of fanartthe others so far i mostly see mew fucking herself or kris, the two homo flowers, i don't really see flowery and asgore that much>>4137059or just like previous wr, 7b once again overshadows them kekit only took a 3 minutes scene for people to go crazy, imagine a whole route unless they are fucking dead at the start
>>4137068Kris is also a virus. He forced you to discard your Vessel, told you your choices don't matter, and then strapped you into the cuck chair.
>>4137067>everyone mostly remember the tragic almost-romance as the highlight and not the fluffy canonical one?That basically what happens with Undertale. Not the romance part obviously, but moreso people talked about Genocide and Sans far more than they did about the True Pacifist route.
>>4137061OH NO >>>>>HE'S BACKHIDE EVERYONE
>>4137072>Not the romance part obviouslyEctoplasm. Dick.
>>4137063Emperor's new robe is a fairy tale. When you use common sense to call out stuff irl, you get hit with a reddit downvote or its equivalent.
>>4137073>Kriselle schizo AND CoL at the same timeAll we're missing is Mikefag and the gang's all here!
>people acting like the weird route isn't also canon
>>4137078Toby distributing shadow crystals IRL was not on my bingo.
>>4137069Cool, i hope they all get arrested, Shayyy was one in a million, nothing special.
>>4137081Reminder that Shayy called Merg a pedo for liking lolis
We've never ever been able to predict where Weird Route will go. The harder a consensus is formed, the more likely it doesn't happen.This means Hometown Massacre AND Kriselle Date/Kriselle Freedom AND "Kris and Noelle instantly fucking die" won't happen.
>>4137073Do not fear. I know their weakness.
>>4137073I've been back for two days now, anon. Anni stream is over.>>4137078>Kriselle schizoHuh? Why am I schizo? Maybe you're a schizo who's obsessed with me?
>>4137082I do remember. I also remember when he 'misgendered' himself in front of his audience of thousands. Fuck this guy, he represents the Deltarune fanbase perfectly, and the cancer Toby Fox was allowed to grow for a decade.
FEAR NOTTOBY GHOST WRITER HERE
>>4137083Prepare for the Ralsei and Noelle sex scene.
>>4137088Are you the one who wrote Suselle?
They could have just done Kriselle and Ralsusie and everyone would be quiet and happy.
>>4137087>Fuck this guy, he represents the Deltarune fanbase perfectly>the (((fanbase))) still insists on calling HIM a they/them after HE got cancelledI just hear this faggot in my headhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fswsif9_NIcevery time some fanbase troon member spergs out over Kris's pronouns.
>>4137091There is still time
>>4137092How do you create an account called "killer of those who misgender Kris"? It sounds like a open threat.
>>4137095Just create the account with equally cancerous ideologically aligned moderators that somehow got positions of power watching over, duh
>>4137097>hmm, sounds like this tranny thing was a bust, eh?
>>4136892>Toby has gone on record saying that he writes his games to feel like they were Japanese games that were translated to Englishhe didn't say that
>>4137099Still, JP script has unironically been crucial to understanding aspects of the lore Toby can vaguepost about otherwise.We wouldn't have known what Mystery Nigga meant by "soul... dark world..." for sure without JP, which clarifies that Kris (and likely all Lightners) NEED a soul in order to enter dark worlds, and likewise JP script states that the cursed sister with shitty stats from Dragon Blazers is an OLDER sister, which is why the Dess Party Member theory is out there.
>>4137090Nope but i told toby to make ralsei and susie say this funni line, also the jevil mention even if you didn't fight him
>>4137091>Ralsei x AnyoneDoomed because goatboi is getting [BANISH]ed.>KriselleYou have a whole route (+shadow crystal) showing you exactly why it doesn't work.
God's greatest anti escapism soldier
>>4137100>Dess Party MemberSo she's a prospective party member AND the unused voice AND the Knight? Might as well pretend she's The Girl.
>>4137103Cool shit, dont bring that to another game, i cannot show your yuritrash to children
>>4137086>anni streamBased. Fellow waifu wars veteran. Never stop shitting on Suselle. I don't understand how can people watch past S3, though.
>>4137103>You have a whole route (+shadow crystal) showing you exactly why it doesn't work.According to this logic, Kris x ''literally anyone'' won't work because we're standing in the way.
>>4137111Duh. The Light world will blow up if Kris gets even a whiff of happiness.
>>4137113>"You should've stopped playing the game and left everyone to be happy, Anon. You weren't supposed to be here, on that day, and now you derailed the timelin-."I can't wait for it to be revealed that the concept of the Halloween hack was taken from the fever dream and Deltarune is just a more elaborate version of the player humiliation ritual hack but with furry and nostalgia bait.
>>4137121>player humiliation ritual hackHow does that even work? He can twist the story all he wants, fact remains that Toby coded a playground for us for near a decade.
>>4137121And now you're realized why exactly Toby Fox makes video games in the first place.I do not trust him anywhere near the things I actually like, he does not have good intentions.
Yeah fuck you Kris. Vessel cockblocking little prick.
>>4137107>Might as well pretend she's The Girl.People already do. Have you not been paying attention? It's either "Actually Noelle is The Girl" or "Actually Dess is The Girl"
>>4137126Dess Girl theories require assuming cyclical prophecy/previous party theory/ that sort of thing that while cool does not have enough evidence to go very far
>>4137122>playgroundcant open a single door and get punished for walking left
>>4137125Kris accepts her crush though. >but--Nay. He's willing to throw himself in the onsen to save face. The most reluctant wingman in history perhaps, but one nonetheless.
>>4137131I dont, dont make me watch, dont force me to watch just to play the game
>>4137129>get punished for walking leftLast time I walked left, Noelle learned a cool new spell!
>>4137109>I don't understand how can people watch past S3, though.The quality of the writing does start to decline after the third season, yes. However, things truly start to plummet after season 5, IMO. Watching the whole show on the stream until the finale is fun because we're all shitting on Haber together.
>>4137132Nobody is forcing you to play the game bro just quit it hold ESC
>>4137125When the fuck has Noelle ever "tried to be nice and do the right thing?" Almost everything she's done in the story, beyond sharing pencils with Kris, has been entirely self-centered. Not necessarily in a bad way, but her arc is all about herself. It's either about asserting herself to people who ignore her feelings, like Berdly, Queen and Carol, or else it's about pursuing her crush on Susie.
>>4137136can i have my time back along with a replacement game? NO? then make a better game
>>4137125woah is this a ch2 meme, because now kris is the one suffering and still going with the plan while noelle wishes lake
>>4137142You can stop wasting your time talking about a game you don't like by pressing that X button at the far right corner of your screen
>>4137146Why? So I can be surprised when I see the cretin's name where it doesn't belong again?
I can't hate Susie. Poor girl is already triple fucked by the Prophecy, her friends, the Knight, Noelle and more.
>>4137152i can, its easy. When's she gonna do her homework, eh?
>>4137035That's how Kris and Noelle will get USED UP
>>4137152Kris's life is a hundred times worse.
>>4137162Kris chose to live that way.
>>4137052Don't forget Kressel. That ship is also surprisingly popular in the east.
>>4137149nigga he is not gonna take your games out of your hands. just play the classics you already have and ignore deltarune,save yourself the pain
>>4137163This makes his life even more tragic.
>>4137073I was wondering where he was, actually.
>>4137152I would care more if the game actually fucking showed me already why Ralsei needs to pray for her safety
>>4137052>"IT HAS TO BE CANON-COMPLIANT TOBYCORE"I've come to the conclusion most of the vocal Deltarune culture right now is just a reaction to the Sans mania.People champion the idea of "getting" the story and condemn any interpretation that goes against it or even just ignores it.These people also celebrate when the game refuses to do something cool or fanservicey, no matter if the replacement is worse.
>>4137168Nope, he can't look at the classics without getting mad about the new ones. His perception of FF7 is permanently tainted by FF7R, and every time he wants to think of the good times, he'll just remember that no one at Square Enix appreciates those good times and would prefer FF7R be the new face of FF7, and get pissed off again because HIS preferred version is no longer the one the majority prefers.
>>4137075Frans fangirls didn't give a fuck about their ship being non canon unlike every Deltarune shipfag.
>>4137125>being told not to associate with the delinquent fucking with her dead daughter's shit = abusive
>>4137174Lots of it is retroactive shame for 2016 Undertale Fandom, yeah.The pronoun and age policing over Kris is because they're ashamed of when there was shipping galore of Adult FemFrisk/FemChara with Sans, all the anti-hype expectations are because they think of Evan's Dusttale when someone proposes "what if the game did hype moments and aura?", they want the player to be acknowledged but only in the demonizing sense because of misconceptions that player doesn't exist in Undertale and that Chara was Literally Satan who pressured poor wholesome cinnamon roll Frisk into doing genocides, etc. etc.
>>4137181Even before that, Carol is simultaneously strict and negligent on Noelle, she has countless expectations put upon her and literally gets locked out of her own damn home on the regular enough that Kris had to learn how to break into it just so he can get her inside.
>>4137144It's a 3-4 meme iirc
>>4137168>>4137176>You're criticizing modern game devs?>Don't ask them to change, chud! Don't ask for new entertainment like the people who already get new stuff!>Just bend over when they want to rape the things you love right before your eyes, the way they said that they would!
>>4137174>>4137183I wonder what percentage of these "people" even played the game, or if they just watched it on Youtube or some shit.
>>4137191Criticize the people who buy the gamesLook, I despite Pokemon fans for breaking sales records for the most pathetic games imaginable, but it is what it is
>>4137174Once you grow up you realize that the 2016 era was actually when the fanbase was at its healthiest and probably yhe fandom Toby liked the most.
>>4137183>and age policing over Kris is because they're ashamed of when there was shipping galore of Adult FemFrisk/FemChara with SansThis is funny when fucking Toby himself made Frisk flirt with all those monsters while repeatedly reminding everybody in the dialogue that "the human" is a child.
>>4137183That entire fanbase was better than the current one btw, and even the current one believes in shit that the old one like Frisk being the ultimate symbol of good and niceness by making them into Flowery (despite that being nonsense)
>>4137200That's sad considering 2016 was filled with Sansslop, getting angry over killing those heckin' monsters and permanently "tainting" your save file, and acting like Sans is the toughest vidya boss in existence.
>>4137199Why? Robert is actively malicious. He's a full government name with a face, I'm gonna blame him because its his fault.
>>4137207Can you please put your name back on so I can filter you?
>Tenna's game has three heroes: Hero_Sword, Hero_Axe, and Hero_Scarf.>The prophecy panels show us the second hero is Hero_SwordHmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I wonder what this could mean?
>>4137219>second hero = the girl>sword = penis>hero_sword = hero_penisIt means the second hero is a girl with a penis.
Oot remake will mog deltarune by the way
>>4137204That's the current japanese fanbase which Toby loves and panders to, so...
>>4137036>that VN
>>4137183>Lots of it is retroactive shame for 2016 Undertale FandomThe sad part is that Toby himself fuels this behavior. Be the anniversary stream fights, the Mikes, Trashy Trio making fun of the Knight. And there is also stuff like Pink who is simultaneously a shameless fanservice pick and a dunk on the secret boss mania.>>4137200>>41372022016-2017 fans were still obnoxious and acted like assholes over shit like how you should not be mean to the characters and stuff, despite being happier and making more fan works.2021-2024 fans was similar except the assholery shifted into gender policing, moral faggotry and shitflinging over theories, but also a ton of content made.I still think the 2018-2020 fandom was the most enjoyable. People were happy and no one was too crazy about anything, even if it wasn't as lively compared to the eras surrounding it.2025-onwards fandom is just everyone becoming more jaded about the game or sarcastic against the fandom itself, and we barely make anything of value anymore.
>>4137238Don't forget the flowers, who basically signaled "okay, OC was fun and all for these past 10 years, but put it all away, it's time for canon to supersede all of them" despite Toby's prior messages of "keep making shit, it's cool" through both Gerson and 10th anniversary stream.
>>4137243>keep making shit>but don't make kriselle and never remove my gay shit
>>4137232At least the Japanese has been with both lolis and personal pronouns for basically their entire lives, so they won't devolve into the cancer that's infesting the west I hope
>>4137243Toby didn't decide that the flowers should supercede the fans' fallen humans designs. The fandom itself decided that. The text itself provides no suggestion whatsoever that the humansonas of a bunch of flowers who don't even know what it means to be human are meant to be precise parallels to the fallen humans from Undertale.
>>4137243>despite Toby's prior messages of "keep making shit, it's cool" through both Gerson and 10th anniversary stream.What even came out as a result of his approval? The only new Undertale-related things were Gaster shitposts, some slight expansions of Old Home ruins, and a still incomplete Doghole.
>>4137247Time to mod a main route Kriselle with he/him pronouns for Kris and delete Blue from the game! The light world fags from Undertale can stay.
>>4137243I don't quite agree with these words but I think there is a point to be made about the ethos around 5:>* ... what are you waiting around for?>* We said goodbye... that means goodbye.>* We had our nostalgia.>* It's time to move on...I say this as someone who thinks 5 was the most alright among all the new chapter, or at least I don't hate is as much as most others are doing: the mindset behind the whole thing is really shitty.At this point he obviously believes the game being "fun" and the story being meaningful are two self-excluding things, despite the fact he is the guy who came up with characters like Flowey and Spamton.So we had 3 and 4 absolutely shred the foundations and perception the series had up to chapter 2, only to out of nowhere release a filler episode that makes very clear how "this is the last time this game will truly feel like Undertale, enjoy it while you can" and it also is the chapter that pretends nothing happened in the previous day, because that's obviously not fun.>Toby's prior messages of "keep making shit, it's cool" through both GersonGerson was already contradicted by how 3 and 4 played out as a whole. I can't possibly understand what conception of "irony" Toby had with that line.
>>4137253Absolutely nothing with Undertale that hasn't already been in development beyond the things you listed, but with Deltarune there's been a big uptick in Roaring Knight mods to make the fight even more bullshit in some way, they're probably one of the few things that still carry the essence of the good ol' days and no one cares how "noncanon" they are because it glazes Knight by making it into a ballbuster again.
>>4137253>What even came out as a result of his approval?People losing their shit about people "not getting the point of the game"
>>4137261>but with Deltarune there's been a big uptick in Roaring Knight mods to make the fight even more bullshit in some way, they're probably one of the few things that still carry the essence of the good ol' days and no one cares how "noncanon" they are because it glazes Knight by making it into a ballbuster again.Kaizoslop is lame, I'd rather just play Touhou
>>4137264>Kaizoslop is lameSee? That's why the fandom is fucking insuferable nowadays.
>>4137265You can enjoy you're hardcore games for hardcore gamers such as yourself, I'm too old for that shit.
>>4137270I don't like kaizo fangames. The matter is that I just leave them be.
>>4137273That guy just said he doesn't like it, how is that "not leaving it be"
https://www.reddit.com/r/WaterfallDump/comments/1xd1sah/if_deltarune_was_actually_good/>CoH fucked off to redditJustify this in anyway shape or form
>>4137279I'll justify it by saying you need to go back.
>>4137259>I can't possibly understand what conception of "irony" Toby had with that line.3 & 4 deconstruct the Toby Fox format somewhat because Toby wants to make clear that he doesn't do it because the fandom demands them or it's the only way that's "right" for the story. And in my opinion, this is a very justifiable argument to make. We're years out from Undertale and everyone has gotten used to its format and rules, but part of its initial appeal was how it differed from the norms and expectations of the genre. Learning to see what Undertale was actually showing you past the genre abstractions was part of the fun. But Undertale made this comfortable by having a very clear and simple alternative premise that sat in place of the genre's norms, and in turn, a lot of people thought the point was that this alternative framework was "better", and not that all games are capable of doing the same.
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>>4136534>check account>"sooo i made undertale 2, lol"the absolute ego of this retard.
>>4136534>tus pedos
>>4136626a tranny wrote it
>>4137322>Toby wants to make clear that he doesn't do it because the fandom demands them or it's the only way that's "right" for the storyDeltarune isn't some auteur game you get for free/cheap on itch.io, it's was from the very start marketed as a follow up to a game beloved by many, advertised in directs, had a shit ton of crappy overpriced merch, is sold on a normal online storefront and had a free demo that generally complied to what people wanted out of this thing.>We're years out from Undertale and everyone has gotten used to its format and rulesUndertale was a very short game. We spent SIX REAL LIFE YEARS on a demo that promised more of that but on a larger scope, and the second we paid 25 bucks we were met with "lol nope, I'm never ever doing something like that again."What was the fucking point here? Pulling the "making people feel cheated out" crap from his rom hack again?>a lot of people thought the point was that this alternative framework was "better"With the only exception of the True Lab, every single time he tried deviating from the Snowdin formula he fucked up in some major way. Even when FANGAMES deviate from that formula they fuck up.
>>4137322Also,>this is a very justifiable argument to makeWhat in the world justifies and isn't "ironic" on clowning on me for wanting another secret boss in the Jevil mold like four different times in the game?I'm bad because I enjoyed the game the wrong way?
>>4137338>What was the fucking point here?sell shitty merchandise through fangamerthe jig is just about up and even the merchandise is falling apart. aborted fetus looking battat plushes, poor stitching across the board, price increases... chapter 5 brought in a huge wave of suckers to buy that crap up, all that's left is to drive the plot off a cliff and make it about being a tranny or whatever while toby cashes in his rape dollars and goes back to ruining other games (like OFF or dragon quest)
>>4137322chapter 3 was an advertisement for merchandisechapter 4 was stirring hype up for lore slopchapter 5 was to make the game look exciting while being streamed to drag in a shit ton of retards into the rape-a-thon (it worked)we're heading into the "exit strategy" of the scam, answer at least one question to throw the schizos a bone, introduce 1 or 2 new flimbo scrimbos and promise extra serious hard that the merchandise will be better quality (or don't who gives a shit, the bulk of this fandom will continue dumping money to get raped)
>>4137338>Deltarune isn't some auteur game you get for free/cheap on itch.ioAnd how does that relate to whether it should do what the fans want? Fans follow work, not the other way around.>We spent SIX REAL LIFE YEARS on a demo that promised moreAnd it gave you more. More than Undertale's exact format.>What was the fucking point here? Pulling the "making people feel cheated out" crap from his rom hack again?Asking you to do the thing that made Undertale actually interesting again: Adapt to new rules even when you might "want" the old rules to override.>With the only exception of the True Lab, every single time he tried deviating from the Snowdin formula he fucked up in some major wayDisagree. The parts of Undertale and Deltarune that dragged the most were the most formulaic. Hotland, Cyber Field (and a lot of cyber city), Scarlet Forest, areas where you're mostly just "continuing to do what you did", these are low points to me. >>4137342>clowning on me for wanting another secret boss in the Jevil moldGame doesn't do this. It only clowns on you if you specifically expected more Spamtons.>>4137354>lore slopYou mean the actual plot of the fucking game? That "lore slop"?
>>4137360>You mean the actual plot of the fucking game? That "lore slop"?nigger what plot lol chapter 4 was vagueposting: the chapter. answered close to nothing and added several more questions. the theory sloptubers were feasting post chapter 4
>>4137184people really shit their pants about it too, despite it being less nonsensical than any non-holiday option the few noelle fans are right, the fanbase at large hates it when noelle is anything but susie's helpless girlfriend
>>4137364people forgave it since 4 was kinda the midpoint, but 5 was supposed to be entering the final arcand with chapter 6 only clarifying one thing, we will definitely get a leder style lore dump in 7 (and 7A might not have anything and all that be pushed to 7B)
>>4137364Yup, the story hasn't meaningfully progressed AT ALL since Chapter 1, aside from revealing Kris is working with Knight in Chapter 3 and revealing this alliance is founded on a guilt-based promise in Chapter 4.Susie's "wow I want to do this more" was affirmed in Chapter 1's end, Ralsei's identity crisis was affirmed in Chapter 1, Noelle's relevance was affirmed by her being in the original Fun Gang concept art, Kris's shadiness was affirmed in Chapter 1's stinger, Knight's existed was affirmed in Chapter 1, the Dark Calamity our heroes are trying to stop was affirmed in Chapter 1.Everything else is just pure fucking loreslop and fluff that exists to distract from the core conflict of Kris's machinations and how this complicates the mission to save the worlds..
>>4137372Setting up the rules of what can happen in the form of exploring dark worlds, and getting more depth on what the cast has gone through in the form of hearing from characters like Queen and Tenna, is progress.>but it doesn't move us directly towards resolving Kris's issues!Yes it does.
>>4137372The game doesn't care about saving the world's anymore, if it did, ralsei would use his fire the way he's supposed toThe game forces you to actively support and participate in a homosexual relationship to save the worlds because it just wants you to watch Susie do everything
>>4137373Eh.We already knew Dess was probably missing from how her existence is framed in Chapter 1, and Tenna just re-states the themes of nostalgic longing, which was already handled by a good chunk of Chapter 1 Hometown dialogue with how often everyone kept bringing up Asriel.
>>4137375there's nothing indicating that nobody knows where dess is in ch1at most you could say that she isn't in town atm, but she could've believably have been in college like asriel
>>4137371>leder dumpi don't think we're getting that, just some big hype moment and susie epically cutting off whatever plot reveal is supposed to happen before having a 20 min forced cinematic romance scene with noelle.the plot will be wrapped up with some text over a black screen after if we're lucky and there's enough time for it post-ralsei's "im actually a girl" speech as he lays dying on the ground. kris will be needlessly sacrificed as some sort of humiliation ritual and 7B will have no unique boss fight and will exist to shame you for playing the game.if you reload the game and enter the 'dog room' in the library it'll be toby fox's dog fursona saying "TRANS RIGHTS" before fading away and shutting you out of the room.
>>4137376It's an entirely logical thing to assume. Rudy's the only person who brings her up, which if you think she was another Golden Child off to college, Hometown at large would be blabbing endlessly about her. But they don't, which gives off the impression that she's a touchy subject, one more suited for those who really knew her personally like her own father.
>>4137377It only gets worse man
>>4137375Yeah, but the specifics are still useful to know. Dess didn't disappear recently or after Noelle was a teenager, it was a while ago now. Kris is a chuuni nerd in denial, and has been keeping distance from Noelle for a while in spite of formerly being friends. It doesn't seem to have been tied directly to Dess, but we can't say for sure yet. The prophecy can be stretched within certain limits, but trying to violate those limits results in immediate and severe correction. The prophecy's roles for most of its key players are pinned on only a few traits and events. The dark world's mechanics are diegetic and Darkners have some awareness of them. This is useful information. I understand that you feel like we knew more at this point in Undertale, but I really feel like that's mostly because we know where Undertale goes.
>>4137378noelle also mentions her in front of her house, it's where the wiffle bat line comes from
>>4137373Does it? The dark worlds don't even matter. Beating them is all filler.
Reminder: chapter 7 will be longer than 1-6 combined. That's why Toby said not to worry about the pacing so far.
>>4137397didn't work out for his template, mother 3i don't believe for a second he could do better
Fun fact: you could entirely cut dark worlds from the story and not lose anything. The only thing that happened so far is the knight kidnapping people, which she can do in the light world.
>>4137401what about the weirdgrave route in ch2?
Somebody make a new thread
>>4137421it's time>>4096403
>>4137430Kill yourself
>>4137433no u
>>4137164I fucking hate THAT youtuber. Kressel is a ship name, don't try to hijack it for your unrelated clickbait shit. A lot of people are already confused due to his disinformation campaign.
>>4137445>>4137445>>4137445Come in
>>4137238>2016-2017 fans were still obnoxious and acted like assholes over shit like how you should not be mean to the characters and stuff,Those were just the current fandom in its initial stage. They mostly stayed in their own corners on Tumblr seething about the fandom until all the casuals left and they became the ruling force.
>>4137243The flowers replacing all fallen human interpretations is much better than what we had before of UTY replacing all justice and integrity interpretations.
>>4137397Toby said 2 was the longest chapter, though.
>An image waa deletedGaster is trying to make us post on this thread again
>>4137471That was before he knew he was making two full routes.
