I'm going to play Baldur's Gate 1 for the first timeAny tips?
>>4124521You're capable of diving in and savoring this special experience on your own.Ok fine. Sleep and Blind spells are good for mages. Command spell for clerics.
>>4124521don't play enhanced edition shit
>>4124521ee autoroller to get 18 in all stats except one, dump wisdom if not playing a cleric or druiddon't worry about strength % because a skill tome will raise it to 19 anywayyou can dump charisma but you'll have to not use your MC when talking to Viconia to recruit her among other dialogues throughout the gameBG2 gives you an item that sets your charisma to 18 immediately after the prologuesave scumbless, haste, mirror image, reflected image, blur especially on fighter/mages or bardsignore the EE original characters but nab the gem bag from Neeraif you have a fighter/mage or bard, do dorn's quest to get elven chain mailget the item storage items as soon as possibleskip siege of dragonspearhumans, half-elves, and halflings can fuck anybodyviconia will not fuck a full blooded elf, but will fuck half-orcsaerie will fuck gnomesdwarves can't fuck anybodyyou can install a mod to get around the romance limitationsmake sure to collect silver/cold iron weapons before visiting the werewolf islandon that same note, give your fighters at least 1 weapon point in long sword or bastard sword and give imoen 1 point in daggers
>>4124521>I'm going to play Baldur's Gate 1 for the first time>Any tips?Yeah, play the original and not the “enhanced” edition
>>4124562>ee autoroller to get 18 in all stats except one, dump wisdom if not playing a cleric or druidYa, just slit your throat tranny.
>>4124559>>4124580W-what's wrong with the enhanced edition?
>>4124815Beamdog is guilty of a number of different crimes.
>>4124815First of all, BG1EE is actually BG1 in the BG2 engine. It also adds a lot of donut steele characters, but those can be modded out.
>>4125072>It also adds a lot of donut steele characters"A lot" lmao, it adds 4 characters to a game that has 25 to begin with
Arrows and kiting beat almost everything. I don't like EE, but there is a case for it if you want to import a character to 2 and want them to have some class/kit that isn't available in 1. Personally I would sooner use Tutu for that (or just fuck with the console after starting a new character in 2), but whatever
>>4124521The first game on itself is somewhat barebones and lack the companion interactions. Would recommend to install some mods on it or go straight for BG 2 if you can't be bothered with that.
>>4124815It changes the game too much. Can't be bothered writing a wall of text that has been written a hundred times already. Basically, you will have access to BG2 level of power creep in a game that wasn't designed for it.
>>4124938>>4125072>>4125141...Is there anywhere I can read about all these changes and differences? I'd really like to make an informed decision before I end up regretting it halfway through the game
>>4125189game is ported into bg2 engine, which changes the way many items and spells work, and added classes, class kits and weapon proficiencies that weren’t in the original game (weapon proficiencies are also more narrow and specialized while they were broader groups in the original)They added new bugs that weren’t in the originalThey added new really lame NPCs They added new magical items that weren’t in the originalThey somehow made the game look worse by adding a black border around all the spritesOverall the only thing I’d say is an objective improvement is that they added area looting which is a nice QoL featureEverything else is a downgrade compared to the original games with a few tweak mods installed
>>4124521Yes. First, realize that by Baldur’s Gate 1 & 2, you will experience the absolute apex of human art. Wagner’s operas and architectural wonders simply cannot compete.Second, don’t read up on anything and just play the game. If you get confused by the magic system, watch Devaeorn’s spell tier list videos. Any party of 6 and any player class can finish the game comfortably on core rules. Do not worry about viability.Third, do NOT follow any advice provided to you by anons on this board. They are tasteless, handicapped insectoid scum. You’d be better off doing the exact opposite of what they tell you. I recommend deleting this thread and just playing the game.
I'm trans, btw. Also, i fucking joked when i called BG 1 and 2 - "the absolute apex of human art", these games fucking suck mayne. Play BG 3 instead, featuring le hecking cute and valid characters and a gay bear.
>>4125197>If you get confused by the magic system, watch Devaeorn’s spell tier list videosZoom zoom
>>4125200I am young and you are old, decrepit, decomposing. Your actions have brought you here, arguing with a young namefag in this putrid bog of a board, screaming into the void. I have time to turn things around for myself. Do you?>>4125199Baldur’s Gate 3 is a good game, but it is not art. 1 & 2 are art.
>>4124521Started playing for the first time this week as well, it's surprisingly fun, though feels like something closer to Diablo than an actual RPG.My tips would be:>roll a fighter, maybe a ranged one, nothing fancy>always have a rogue on team to detect traps>use one character to lure monsters one by one or in small groups if you feel you can't handle them all at once>explore countryside: to reveal new locations, try entering world map from each side of the local map, that will show you new places>savescum>in the settings pick an option to rest until fully healed
Ignore the EE seether. Running on the BG2 engine is a good thing. It is way better. Fans used to use mods to run BG1 in the BG2 engine before EE was ever a thing.
>>4124562Just download EEKeeper and set it for 25. That's less stupid than rolling for hours just to get +90
>>4125215It has nothing similar to Diablo and it's much closer to an actual RPG than any other game
>>4124521try to focus on the vicarious experience of the time when the influx of RTwP subhumans ruined CRPGs forever>>4124562case in point
>>4124521Another topic of those lmao.Desperate cucks
>>4125218>Running on the BG2 engine is a good thing. It is way better.It’s different. It is not necessarily better. The main draw is that it cranks up the power level of the game. Most players are munchkins who want to cheese things, so they like playing with kits and weapon styles and such that the original game wasn’t balanced for. It also adds XP for picking locks and traps. Everyone likes more XP for free, right? Aside from that, it changes many items and spells to function differently, again messing with the balance of the game. Weapon proficiencies are also different and more specialized (in the original they are broader groups, which is helpful when you don’t have many magic items, nor proficiency points).One advantage of the BG2 engine at the time was things like running at higher resolutions than the original engine, though this is now obviated by modsIt also fucks up the graphics, the UI, the paper dolls, item sprites, etc. if you’ve played both games, having everything in BG1 use the BG2 versions of things just looks wrong. You can again partially ameliorate this with mods but it’s still losing some of the soul and charm of the original, and using the “EE” is just straying even further away.I’ve played through BG1-in-BG2 with Tutu and BGT many, many times, and this is one of the very few opinions I’ve held that have changed through discussions on /vrpg/. Using the BG2 engine is a sidegrade at best with numerous drawbacks and is absolutely not “just objectively better”. Next time I feel like playing BG1 I will absolutely be using the original engine.
>>4124521Turn off the shit slopdog added in.
>>4125218I'd still recommend at least one playthrough in the original BG1 engine. Afterwards, you can try EE, or even better, run BG1 using either BGTutu or BGT, plus the BG2ImprovedUImod. The improved UI mods all the QoL improvements of EE, without the EE craphics distortions or OC NPCs.
>>4125189You wouldn't notice anything but the woke bullshit.
>>4125189What did I tell you? IGNORE the subhumans that post here, and PLAY the game.Playing the EE is perfectly fine, and it will not substantially alter the experience for you. >>4125575RTwP is a superior combat system to turn-based. Turn-based allows for unrealistic amounts of complexity and control, while battles are supposed to be fast, snappy and chaotic. Turn-based combat enjoyers are just happy that this allows them to 'cheese' the game better. Your taste in game mechanics is vile, putrid, disgusting. I recommend you abandon cRPGs, insectoid subhuman. Stick to "J"RPGs, that are usually turn-based. You'll fit in with all the retarded gooks and failed men that play them.
>>4124521get the mod that blows up the beamdog original characters, otherwise just know going in that until you get a few levels under your belt you're gonna suck ass at fighting. most magic has friendly fire too so be careful of where you throw fireballs and lightning bolts
>>4126093>rtwp is the thinking man's combat systemwhat a bizarre take when it was originally meant to appeal to console playing normies because turn based was seen as outdated and clunky shit for boomers, and players just wanted fast paced action>turn-based combat enjoyers are just happy that this allows them to "cheese" the game betterBG 1/2 are full of cheese. What the fuck are you smoking? BG3 is fully turn based and has plenty of cheese as well. Morrowind is fully real time and also has lots of cheese.
>>4125594>Next time I feel like playing BG1 I will absolutely be using the original engine.BG1 fan excited to play BG1 for the first time
>>4129170>BG1 fan excited to play BG1 for the first timeNah, played it when it first came out, before TotSC. The 5? CD set with the big tall trifold folio (I think it had a sixth slot that you could pop the TotSC CD in once that came out? But it’s been so long)Just saying, after BG2 came out, it was very common to use Tutu or BGT to port the game into the sequels engine. I’ve been playing the game in the BG2 engine for far longer than I played it in the BG1 engine.
>>4129174>BG1 in BG2 "engine"Ignorance
>>4124815Beamdog is guilty of a number of different crimes. Here are the major ones.1. The Enhanced Editions are essentially a collection of free mods that had existed for nearly twenty years. Beamdog gathered them all up, slapped "Enhanced Edition" on it and resold it as a new product. There's very very little in the Enhanced Editions that wasn't already out there, and most of it is stuff you don't want (like obnoxious character outlines).2. The games didn't sell so well and the originals were still far outselling them, even twenty years after their release, so Beamdog had EVERY digital distributor stop selling the originals and ONLY sell the Enhanced Edition. If you want to buy a digital copy of the originals now, they're "bundled" into the Enhanced Edition. Now these scumbags can claim sales from people just wanting to buy the originals as their own.3. The infamous 600+ bugs on launch. The game is still riddled with bugs (as even a perfunctory glance over their forums show) but the fact that it took nearly two years for them to get a game that had been working fine for 20 years to reach playability after launch is telling of their wild incompetence.4. This is where we get to the ones that really piss people off. Beamdog couldn't just remaster the game, they had to fuck with the content too. New dialogue for existing NPCs like Jaheira, Viconia, Safana, Kivan, et cetera was written in to make the characters more progressive and leftist friendly. Beamdog shills will argue that "adding content isn't changing content XDDD" but it is when the new content changes the core personalities of the existing characters. This is in addition to adding a slew of their own LGBT (hitherto there were none in Baldur's Gate) NPCs, all flooded with OP attributes and magic items to encourage people to play them despite their cancer.
>>4129179>IgnoranceIt’s a newer version of the same engine, colloquially called “the BG2 engine” as a means of distinguishing between the versions since forever. Don’t be an obtuse faggot.
>>4129183It's colloquially known as "for decades I couldn't play BG1 without first modding it to be more like the Enhanced Editions"
>>4129183>Don’t be an obtuse faggot.
>Tutu and BGT were just copying BGEEYou argue like a woman. No (you)
>>4129181>”Beamdog added SJW shit in the dialogue of existing characters!” Caught lying in the act.You’ve been doing this for 5 years. Time to grow up.https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/82671/dialogue-changed-in-ee-edition-confirmed-not-true
>>4129222I swear I don't remember Viconia talking about suffering from racial prejudice in the original, but maybe you're right.
>>4129222>>4129228unfathomably and irrevocably btfo'd anon gonna abandon thread and start a new BG one and pretend this never happened
>>4129228That is the pilpul, yes.>umm sweety we didn’t technically change the original characters dialogue, we just added new dialogue for them :-)That faggot and his “misinformation” shtick is in every BG2 thread, shilling for free. Don’t give him his (you)s
>>4129222It wasn't a 4channer saying that, retard. It was literally an excerpt from an interview with the developers and writers of the EE.https://archive.is/Lwu6p
>>4129228lfmao what is this crap
>>4129222I take a great amount of pleasure knowing that you Beamdog faggots biffed the Enhanced Edition with your woke shit so hard that you lost Baldur's Gate 3 to the Divine Divinity losers.
>>4129228Never forget when Beamdog tried to enlist Feminist Frequency, Anita Sarkessian herself to attack their own playerbase after including lines of Minsc insulting GamerGate.This is who Beamdog was. The Enhanced Editions were pure cultural war wokeslop against gamers.
gonna take chance of this thread to ask for some suggestions:I'm playing BG1EE, just went out the nashkel mines and defeated the quartet of assassins.My current party is Cleric MC, Imoen, Ajantis, Jaehira, Khalid, and Xan.ùI'm pretty happy with Khalid, he's a good archer, bu feels like his spouse, despite the supposedly strong class, isn't pulling her weight enough; rest of the team is solid.Who should I consider switching Jaehira and Khalid with, Minsc and Dynaheir? Kivan and someone else?No evil party members because this run I can't be arsed to juggle reputation
>>4129271I am a fan of Ajantis, Minsc, Branwen, Imoen, Dynaheir
>>4129273That's a nice team indeed, but I already have MC as singleclass cleric of Lathander
>>4129271Khalid is a good tank, but I guess Ajantis fits that role. You can ditch Jaheira while keeping Khalid by removing her from party alone in a house. Prevents her from initiating the dialogue that also removes Khalid.If you're using him as an archer, I guess just leave the slot open for Coran, who's definitely the best archer NPC and you get on your way to the Cloakwood mines.
>>4129323the question remains on who should I bring in place of Jaehira?
>>4129408I usually only run 5 people. Six makes pathfinding annoying, xp slower, and doesn't really add much.
Does anyone know how to get Identify in the quick spell slots? I tried EE Keeper but that didn't seem to have the option.I just want to have it as a reminder for when I can cast them after a rest.
>>4130446>Does anyone know how to get Identify in the quick spell slots? I tried EE Keeper but that didn't seem to have the option.We used to have the technology, but now it's lost, and we can't go back.
>>4130473Alexa, remind me to identify after resting
Are these various Infinity Engine games really worth replaying over and over after you go through them once?
>>4130635Depends on whether you're playing for fun or e-cred. There are so many different classes, kits and party comps that they're fun for a lot of playthroughs, but if you're a zoomer who just cares about muh backlog, don't worry about it. You probably weren't even having fun the first time through.
>>4130635Many RPGs are best, not compulsively replayed, but came back to enjoy again after N years when they’re not fresh in your memory anymore.
>>4125075That's a lot.
>>4125204BG3 is a terrible pos.
Best thing is to go blind. If you ever look into you'll end up trying to min max the game and failing to have fun. I don't think the Beamdog matters or gets in the way much.
There's a mod that removes all the Beamdog shit. Just get that.
The only "legit" way you can still play the original Baldur's Gate is by purchasing it through GoG since they are the only ones that package the original unmodded version of BG along with the Enhanced Edition, a loophole that Steam didn't even consider.
>>4130635It's like re-reading a good book. It's not only the material that slowly comes back but the memory of playing it back then as well. If you think that's a slog, then it's a slog.
I actually recommend Temple of Elemental Evil if you're in it for the gameplay (combat). Baldur's Gate shines because of the writing rather than how they implement the rules, which is why it was a great shame what Beamdog did.
>>4124521Crowd control spells > Damage spells, only use damage spells to interrupt a caster.Enable auto-pause, playing this game as strictly real-time is suicide.
>>4140344>Enable auto-pause, playing this game as strictly real-time is suicide.Wat
First half is comically easy. Maybe the easiest game ever made. Sleep murders 95% of the enemies in the first half, and some of the best armor in the game is just laying on the floor.
>>4140384The armor is supposed to be a true secret. In the original engine, there's no highlighting, so you need to know the right pixel. Same for the ring.That said, I just kite everything until level 3 anyway, to avoid unlucky rolls entirely.
>>4140395>The armor is supposed to be a true secret.Iirc Noober gives an oblique hint about, but yeahIn the original engine, there's no highlighting, so you need to know the right pixel75% of this thread doesn’t remember this.
>>4125197I agree with a lot of what Davaeorn says, but I would not play a monk under any circumstance. Can’t wear helmets, can’t wear armor, garbage at using weapons. They move the fastest, so they get targeting first. You need to do a lot of kiting to keep a monk alive. Even a bard(who he usually says is the 2nd worst class) is viable in a lot of ways. It’s just that the bard song sucks. If you ignore that, they’re a decent enough backup mage/wand monkey.
>>4140504>It’s just that the bard song sucks.In EE it now gives luck bonuses, so it's good. Skald song is really fucking good.
>>4129240woke won chud>oh boo hoo you lost beamdog lost i had a 10 year meltie over a trans npc>bg3 is considered near unanimously one of the best CRPGs ever and lets you make a chick with a dick or a man with a cunt in character creation/v/ lost and BEARbvulls won.
>>4124562>ee autoroller to get 18 in all stats except oneI used to spend ages manually rerolling over and over again, when I could have just used a savegame editor to set the stats to whatever I want.Good times.
>>4140504I just started monk and so far they are much better than the first time I tried playing this game. I can actually hit stuff! My first character was a sword and spell guy which I found out the hard way he was just not good at anything and the worst traits of both classes without any of the positives. I was dying in 1 hit all the way through that whole mine and the bad guy camp in the forest after. Fucking sucked.
I once played custom party with no stats granting bonuses. Literally no change to gameplay with one important difference. Low strength sucks because of carry weight.
>>4140510Luck is good, but it’s not good enough to take one of your characters out of the battle for. Remove fear is a level 1 cleric spell and a level 2 mage spell. And if you need buffs, chant is better, and a cleric can do things after casting chant. >>4140531To each their own. I think fighter/mage is definitely a better class, but you need more knowledge of the game’s systems. A monk is strictly a frontliner, and is basically one crit away from death at all times.
>>4140616>Luck is good, but it’s not good enough to take one of your characters out of the battle for.It sure was during my playthrough. And you know, a singing bard can still tank.
>>4129222cool strawmanthe poster already prebunked you with "added content isn't changing content XDDD" and further elaborated
>>4140519>woke wontell that to bioware lol
>>4140510jester is funny in the first game, turn invis and singprobably completely worthless in 2nd game though>>4140504I just got rasaad to level 14 or 15 last night and he skyrocketed from more or less worthless to absolutely slamming cunts in less than a second before moving onto the next.It's a shame monk is dogshit until that point but now he's pretty ridiculous, sadly he'll fall off again once he can't hurt shit due to fist enchant scaling being terrible.What a badly designed class.
>>4141499>jester is funny in the first gameThere was no jester in the first game (or any other kits)
>>4140504Bard is S tierLuck is brokenYou are retardedBard levels very fast so more wizard levels which means more skins on stone skin, more damage on damge spells etc. Bards are prob best mage tanks. Blade is better and more fun tho.
>>4141530I find Bard more fun. With worse singing, lore, and pickpocket, a Blade will spend more time being a fighter/mage rather than a bard, the versatile jack of all trades.
>>4141509
I thought you could download older versions of the Enhanced Editions on gog, but I was looking for v1.4 of Icewind Dale EE, and the only versions I'm seeing on gog are patches for v2.5 to v2.6.6. Am I just remembering incorrectly?
