Let's talk about party-based dungeon crawlers! >What are you playing right now?>Any release you are looking forward to?>Do you prefer a fully custom party, or pre-made adventurers?In my case I have been playing Bard's Tale Trilogy, which is pretty simply but also quite fun. Been looking forward to Mystic Land which seems cool and perhaps a slightly less austic version of Grimoire.
>What are you playing right now?Elminage Original, debating on going back to Wizardry 6 before or after completing it now that I’ve gotten more used to some Wiz clones.>Any release you are looking forward to?Not particularly, not because nothing looks good but because there are more than enough available for me to play in a single lifetime.>Do you prefer a fully custom party, or pre-made adventurers?Fully custom. Part of the fun for me and I imagine most into the genre is party building and finding new ways classes work together.Anyone try that Stonekeep sequel(?) for the Wii? The original is another that I want to get back to before too long.
Just did a solo playthrough of Dungeon Rats, was brutal but a lot of fun trying to tip the odds in your favor while being seriously disadvantaged every fight.
recommendations for something rather fast-paced like M&M6-8? can be turn-based
>>3994534Monster's Den series. originally made with Flash.https://store.steampowered.com/curator/33419667Book of Dread is the shortest one unless you play Endless mode.
>>3994534Unironically Bard's Tale Trilogy. It's pretty basic and most encounters end in less than a minute. You need some tolerance for old school trap bullshit tho.
>>3993456I hate the fact that I can play a game like Wizardry but if I am not dedicated enough I end up dropping. It's just time consuming.. I know what to do and all, but if I stop playing I end up having to start over. It's either you fucks wit it, or you have to stop playing and start all over again.
>>3994678Maybe starting with something like Wizardry isn't the best option. A less obtuse game like Might & Magic could fit you best.
>>3994678I had to replace a party I lost in wizardry gaiden 2 not too long ago, but it's not as bad as you think it might be in terms of "Starting over". think of it this way:>You still have your maps you drew and no doubt made notes on where important things are>any items you sold to Boltac's are there to be bought again for your new party members>Because you mapped stuff out and have access to better gear right away (especially if you had a Bishop at Gilgamesh's Tavern to work as a bit of a bank on top of identifying stuff), you can go grab plot coupons you need and can grind much faster to get back where you were>you have a chance in some cases to build up certain party members better this time around, like making mages you plan on turning into fighters and vise versa>>3994711I've never played Might and Magic, outside of Dark Messiah but I know that doesn't really count. Is it dungeon crawling too?
>>3994713>Is it dungeon crawling too?Kind of? It's an important part of the experience, but it's also true that the series turns towards more of an open-world/adventure focus. That said, if Wizardry 8 is a dungeon crawler then so is M&M.
>>3994715I've never played Wiz 8 desu, just 1-3, 5, and Gaiden 1 and 2. I plan on going back to 4 eventually but it's really its own thing from what I can tell and I wanted more party building. That, and when I heard you can export 3 into 5 even on PS1 I was all in on that.
>>3993456reincrawling
Don't know if this is the place to ask this but figured it's ny best shot - I played this steam demo for an indie old school style grid based sort of dungeon crawler first person game years ago , maybe between 3- 5 years back ? Could be more though. The only thing I can recall about it however , is that it had a deep dark blue UI elements , and the tutorial quest took place in this underground cave system , very descriptive text heavy and exposition heavy, and I think the story had something to do with aiding your tribe by exploring these cave systems ? I know its very vague but It's all i have to go on. I tried searching for it in my library and idk if it got delisted or if I'm just retarded but I don't see it anywhere . Or anything that fits its description. Any help is much obliged, thanks !
>>3995392Aeon of Sands – The TrailIslands of the CaliphDer Geisterjäger / The Ghost HunterArakion: Tales of VigilThe Darkness BelowThe 7th Circle – Endless Nightmare
Started Paper Sorcerer for the first time after it has been rotting in my GOG library for a few yearsYou can tell it was crowdfunded by how it lacks polish in almost every aspect>>3994534Monsters of Mican
>>3994721not that guy, but you can import 6->7->8 and they're a trilogy so that would be badass. I've only beaten 8 a few times, but started out 6 and 7 a little messing around with party comps. they seem okay. 8 is pretty sweet if you ignore the shitty graphics
>>3996110>Paper SorcererIs it bad? Both the premise and the aesthetics look kinda cool, it would be a shame if it's shit.>>3996899You can also import the party through the Bard's Tale Trilogy. IMO one of the major adventages of full party costumization is that sense of total progression, of having "your guys" actually be the heroes across an entire series rather than a collection of pre-determined OCs.
>>3995321They better all fuck the cute elf spy once she is brought back from the dead, fully naked
>>3999404>Is it badits not but its so close to good that its frustrating
>>3999794Sorry, they are going to have to settle for this budget hole.
>>4000581Insal is for picking the lockpick on the door Amber is behinddon't rest before you get her
>>3999794Now that's what I call a res-erection!
>>4000581Can you actually get the scenes in the azure tower where you meet Insal again but he's had some accident/got caught in some deadly trap?I know it's in the game files but I think there is a bug which makes that stuff not happen if you actually accept him into the party when meeting him first.Maybe it's a wrong bit set and he re-appears if you don't invite him (and let him steal your stuff)?
>>4000637hmm, managed to finally google up a screenshot of that scene, so it does happen.You havr to rescue him but not take him into party, shitty bug.
>>3993456I mostly picked up the adventurers you meet or resurrect, in EoB and EoB II, even tho they have worse stats. More flavor or something.
>>4000655That certainly is crappy, but I bet the bug doesn't appear much for people. Here is what I suspect is a common pattern:>start your new adventure into EOB 2>free insal>accept insal>lose insal>go down a couple floors>slam face-first into the learning curve>die>make a newer, better party>these guys KNOW>free insal>tell him to fuck off>see him later, strung up>beat EOB2>leave, having never experienced the insal bug
>>4000751yeah, but I>see wat insal does, or another 90s teenager buddy told me>RELOAD to not get robbed>get stuck in azure tower or the like>restart game again when I have an EoB-graduated party in like 2000>read the file with game strings in the meantime, noticing the Insal stuff>redo the progress so far, then PURPOSELY letting him rob me on the replay (while all +2 items and valueables as off-hand legal weaons are dropped to the floor)>finally finish the game, never finding the little bastard againthis bugged me for yearsI also never found the ancient guy.And I kept training and training and training for days to get Amber to mage level 13turns out the fucking engine implements maximum level limits for demihumans
>>4000773In my experience EOB2 did not trouble me with racial level caps. And then, EOB3 shat on my level 13s, making them 8s and 9s. I wonder if it happens to recruitables but not PCs in 2?>finally finish the game, never finding the little bastard againBut Jesus, I'm just glad this thread could bring light and air to this lingering shadow you've been living with. Whether you can lay the matter aside at that, or decide to run EOB again and see it through, we go with you in spirit, anon.
>>4000872I played it a lot of times, although not sure I got to end more than 1 time. I probably under-explored the crimson tower, too. I think I have the game so ingrained in my memory that I don't need to return to it.I never got into Eob3 though. Between the high conventional memory requirements back when I would play it baremetal, me not having walkthrough or maps or buddies that finished it, and the ugly color palete the imported character portraits had, it didn't stick on me like 1+2, or Dungeon Master 1.That one I compulsively replayed when I found the silly looking blonde girl with fruit or veggies in her backpack is an elf.I dropped everything I was doing and rushed to rescue her from the magical mirror.
>>4000773>And I kept training and training and training for days to get Amber to mage level 13>spoilergoogling tells me elves actually have Thief limited to level 12, not mage. Did I misreembered?Also, googling I found some person't writeup that suggests EoB games implement dual-wield penalties (OMG never knew) and that is one reason to use ranger class - better thac0 actually.Is that known to be true?
>>4001526Yes, this was documented in the manual I believe. But, I tested it out when deciding what class to make a few days ago, and I could not tell if there was a difference.Also there is this asinine way to spawn hordes of Nadias and Jorils by over-using the teleporters on the first floor.
>>4001772It's probably better to skip grinding on these lower-level enemies, once you get into the azure tower, there's the furry weirdos that give much more exp per kill and hordes spawn on demand, you just need to press a button.OTOH, the game is almost over and it's after you get through the worst part (beholders - well worst if you don't dodge their rays).
>>3993456>Do you prefer a fully custom party, or pre-made adventurers?My party from last (complete) walkthrough.66.7% reprocessed bonemeal contentI wonder if it is 20 years already.>september 2003 date changedwhew if true
>>4001842>there's the furry weirdos that give much more exp per killTechnically, yes, but doing random stuff is amusing. Maybe I got into RPGs more for the killing than the XP.>>4001772>>4001526also my post was vague and I was responding to rangers dual wielding. I couldn't draw a conclusion that rangers were any better at dual wielding. Rangers don't make much sense in this 99.99% dungeon game unless they were, though.
>>4001903>CalandraPisses me you can't tell her sis was looking for her.Back then I tried to not go into the corner where she appears before closing the gate, rushing to grab her sister and go back there, but the encoutner just doesn't happen.
>>3995321>please stof theand clear doorsWhat did anon mean by this?
>>3996110>>3999404It's been a while since I gave it a try, but the one thing I remember is that the text in the UI was clearly not alligned properly.
>>3993456Bump
Playing Wizardy: Tale of the Forsaken Land. Maybe I wouldn’t call it a great game (certainly good) but it is soul overdrive with how alive the dungeons are. I just love games where everyone lives in/around the dungeon like how you bump into people at Walmart, except it’s a place that wants to kill everyone. Very cool.
>>4002506he meant ligma
>>3994711>A less obtuse gameThat's not the issue though with Wizardry. It's just time consuming. I already know how and what to do and how to beat it. I end up just losing interest despite tossing in dozens of hours already on it.. once I want to cum back to it and replay it I literally forget what I need ot do and end up creating another save and starting over.
What is the best version to play of Eye of the Beholder? I know the Amiga version added stuff but I also know there's a GBA version.
>>3995321wow, dwarf fortress adventure mode changed a lot
>>4006018Play GBA because it's the newest?
>>4006018yeah but>fan modsIIRC there is stuff like a special quest that gives you 320 magical darts. I hate that, how do you even carry that to the next game?(Also yeah - you want a version that is viable for importing into Eob2)
>>4006018My advice is don't. EOTB is dogshit. You can't even look at your own items to see what stats they have or what your weapon values are and the level design is based around cheap bullshit. Garbage game.
>>3993456Which game does a jap crawler fag play to get into the western ones, anons? I think the closest I've played to them would be Ys and Brandish.
>>4007025Legend of Grimrock
>>4006640>he got filtered
>>4007025Might and Magic 6-8
>>4006018DOS version I guess? Easiest to tool around with>EOB1this thing has more puzzles to the extent that it's irritating, but the items are hilariously stronger than the ones found in 2 because they didn't know>EOB2much longer, more spread out, less pozzed, just a great game and the reason people like the franchise>EOB3I believe the only thing this has going for it is the ALL ATTACK button, maybe I should give this a fair try before joining the universal chorus denigrating it though
>>4007339>combat consists of two fighters trading blows while the bugman and woman throw rocks since half my party can't even do anything without weapons or esoteric knowledge of arcane runesI have no idea what I'm doing. Everyone except Murlok the human fighter is useless, but the music is very good and the dungeon looks pretty. >>4008362I thought they were RTS games honestly.
>>4008443Could be worseCould be that one guy that picked 4 minotaurs in grim2 and complained about starving to death constantly
>>4008443>GrimrockI played that game twice. Both times, my party was>one frontline fighter who uses melee weapons>one frontline fighter who specializes in shields>one backrow mage who uses damage-dealing spells>one backrow rogue who uses bowsYou have to remember to gather the arrows from enemies' corpses after you defeat them,. They're not in an endless supply, but do remain in the enemies' square after being used.I still have to play Grimrock 2.
anyone try this out?
>>4010285>early accessno
Only games I've played like this are Dungeon Master II and Stonekeep. Oh and Double Dungeons on TG16. What should I play next?
>>4012572Dungeon Master 1 and Chaos Strikes Back
God bless people who still make the "four niggas in a square" kind of games.
>>4008443i thought it was just like Wizardy because the autist who progged most of it basically made entire game by himself?
>playin Darkest Dungeon>realize i have been playing it wrong for years>new playthrough with a new me>using a modded healer>realize that every single healer has a subvert your expectations front line move that fucking owns>the heroes I thought were frontliners like Crusader actually own from 4th position
>>4013677There's more than 1 way to play it lad
>>3995321>>4000581impressive apm
>>3993456I can't get into these games, every time I try one, I just get lost like 15 minutes in, end up walking in circles and quit.
>>4017104>I just get lost like 15 minutes inDraw a map, goofball.
Playing Starcrawlers againIts not perfect but I like it a lot and will shill it where I canUsing a Cyberninja this time, their attack animations have them doing cartwheels and spin kicks across the screen. Most classes have pretty good visuals like that for their skills.Probably also going to pick one mega-corp to actively piss off so I can deal with their hit squads coming for me as a bonus challenge.
>>4006018Someone reverse-engineered Amiga version of EoB 1 and 2, then added bunch of improvements to it, like auto-map, 256-color palette, international localization, etc. It was pretty much the definitive edition of both games.It was called Eye of the Beholder AGA. But I don't know where to find it anymore. I am not sure if anyone even archived it.It may be a lost media now
>>4017104play one with automaps.
>>3993456>slightly less austic version of Grimoirehow autistic is Grimoire anywayis it fun autistic or bad autistic
how are the legends of amberland games?
>>4018983think Might and Magic 4-5, but easier
>>4019542damn that does sound easy
playing grimrock 2 currently, got to the part of the Archives that connects to the Sewers, am I supposed to explore absolutely everything in this area right now or can I do my thing in the Archives then leave to look for the other two power gems? all these areas connecting to each other because of the open-world approach feels a bit odd and im not sure if im ever supposed to turn back and return later when I get stronger or something
Trying out legends of amberland now, but I have to admit I keep thinking "I could just play MM 3/4/5" for the same experience but with much cooler monsters and general graphic design
Best dungeon crawlers for the 'eck?
>>4021661now I'm glad I never got those two games then
>>3993456I like real-time dungeon crawlers in the vein of Legend of Grimrock 1-2, M&M 6-8. Wizardry 8 was okay but it had too many convoluted mechanics. Are there any other games like these? Real time dungeon crawling. Whether you go by party or a single character is fine with me.
>>4023916to be fair I dont even think they're bad, just lacking a little something to make them worth playing over their inspiration, whether its graphics/classes/quests/whatever
>>4023953Vaporum 1 & 2 are pretty good.
>>4021661Same here, they aren't bad but they're extremely by the numbers.
recommend me a dungeon crawler ladsmy only caveats are turn based and ones that don't expect you do mess around multiclassing your characters too much (its why I dropped Stranger of Sword City)
>>4025309Moraff's World and most Rogue-likes.
>>4006018When it's an option, always choose Amiga.
>>4017726https://gamesnostalgia.com/game/eye-of-the-beholder-agaIt's literally the first google search result.
>>4025309The Dark Spire on a DS emulator, it has the right amount of multiclassing.
>>4016789competitive korean eye of the beholder
>>4019809Also initially there are no puzzles, while that was a big part of Might & Magic
Is multiclassing necessary in Grimoire? Or can you get away just picking a decent set of races/classes in the start and sticking to them all game long
>>4026808>Is multiclassing necessary in Grimoireyeah>Or can you get away just picking a decent set of races/classes in the start and sticking to them all game longyou probably could but its going to be way more tedious as the experience requirements rise steeply
>>4025492good pick up anon, I put it on my phone to play on the way to work, I like it so far
Whats the better game between Elminage Original and Gothic?
How are the class of heroes games? I saw 3 got a steam port.
>>4029972Ok, not great. Not the worst thing in the world if you want a largely no frills dungeon crawler with anime aestheticsthree does look a little more interesting in that your choice of starting school determines your classes, and theres a much bigger class variety, but I'm not sure how deep the differences go or if they're largely cosmetic. Probably the one to try if you get any of them though
>>3993456been playing through the remake of wizardry VII its pretty cool seeing the 2D janky sprites being turned into 3D objects,makes me wonder why they never tried porting over Wizadry 8 to the PS2
Anyone played Demise? I tried to get into it but it was too confusing and it's impossible to find people talking about it.
>>4027877I enjoyed Original more. Gothic felt more tedious so every time I gave it another try I ended up dropping it again.
Dverghold released in EA. Anyone tried? Thoughts? Prayers?Liked the demo but there's no way I'm buying an EA crawler.
>>4030772>fairysexo
Is there a(n unofficial) patch for Wizardry 8 which adds the missing items (Demon Doll, Watchdog Alarm components, some other stuff I can't remember now)?
Been playing Wizardry: Tale of the Forsaken Land.I'm almost done with Floor 5.Anyone has any idea why there's a "coins" effect coming out of my ninja every couple of steps? I tried googling but none of the guides I found mention it.
>>4044977You equipped him with a cursed item and it's slowly sapping your money. It might be his boots.
It's too bad the Undernauts sequel probably won't get translated
>>4023953Stonekeep.
>>4044977 (Me)>>4047585I don't know what it was, none of my items were cursed and it went away on it's own.Anyway, I made it to B8, but had to transfer out almost immediately because I was out of inventory space and MP. I hope there's a shortcut somewhere because I don't want to have to do 1 -> 5 -> 6 -> 7 -> 8, every time, even knowing the route that's like 30 minutes just to get back down there.
>>3993456I'm at this weird intersection of really wanting to get into DRPGs but every time I play one I just kinda lose interest after a few hours. The last one I managed to actually complete was Touhou Artificial Dreams in Arcadia and that felt like an absolute slog. I did think Wizardry Daphne was pretty fun but it's also gachaslop so I knew eventually I'd hit the "log in do dailies log out" point and get burned out.Anyone know any other good entry-level DRPGs for a fella like me?
>>4030772are you still enjoying it? the shift in aesthetic design compared to previous entries seems kind of jarring, though maybe it can overcome that if it's otherwise pleasurable.
>>4049023damn, I didnt realise they did a sequelundernauts was a bit too easy but I liked it
>>4049652whats putting you off them
>>4034485Dumb name
>>4050679I really wish I could tell you. I tried EO because everyone says it's amazing, just got bored after a little while. It's not one specific thing, it just seems like I lose interest.
>>4049652It depends on your aesthetic taste, but personally I think Demon Gaze is the best entry level DRPG. >Boss combat requires thought and reacting to things, but not overwhelmingly so>random battles aren't remotely oppressive, but in a few endgame places it's still "scary" to run into elites>Competent and simple storyline with just enough to keep you paying attention, but not much text or interference to get in the way of gameplay>Simple plot about overcoming your nature and becoming a better person that everyone can get behind, like a classic hero's journey>Dungeons are on the highest part of the spectrum for variety, but are not unfair bullshit mazes>Art style looks nice (aside from a few character portraits)>Music is really good, and you can turn off the vocals if you don't like Vocaloids>Kino final boss and even kinoer final boss for the sequel>Demon Gaze 3 any day now so you'll want to be ready
>>4049652Try the following:Grimrock/Vaporum (modern & nice looking, RT)Lands of Lore (very accesible and noob friendly, RT)The Dark Spire (Wizardry 1 inspired without the brutality, TB)Dark Heart of Uukrul (puzzle heavy, TB with tactical grid)Labyrinth of Refrain/Galleria (story heavy, TB)Dragon Ruins & sequels (you just want to map & level up, RT autobattler)
>>4051145you might just not be into dungeon crawlersdespite that I'll throw some suggestions outanother anon mentioned Demon Gaze, which I enjoyedThe same company did Undernauts, which is easier and has a neat aestheticStarcrawlers is a pretty cool one with some neat graphic flourishes for your attacks and a mix of randomly generated maps when you work for/against various megacorps in space as well as fixed ones as part of the main story. Its one of my favourites to shillMight & Magic 3 as well as 4 and 5 if you want old fashioned adventurer with memorable designs and not as hard/involved as the Wizardry seriesDungeon Travelers 2 if you want full anime bullshit, but still a really fun and deep crawler
>>3993456>What are you playing right now?Currently playing Etrian Odyssey III on Steam. I just made it to the 2nd stratum. I've played EOII:U, and EOV so far. After finishing EOV it has become one of my favorite games of all time.>Any release you are looking forward to?https://store.steampowered.com/app/2731030/Algolemeth/The programmable units gimmick where you don't directly control your party members seems interesting and novel. I hope it's good.>Do you prefer a fully custom party, or pre-made adventurers?Generally I prefer a fully custom party because I like to try to make certain "builds" work like a "lockdown" team focused on status ailments and debuffs, and/or try to beat the game without a dedicated tank class/member like I did in EOV.
>>4052083>>4052386>>4052394Thank you for the suggestions lads. I did actually buy Undernauts because it's on sale, but I will check out the others. I remember trying Grimrock and also bounced off, same with Refrain. I'll take a look at Demon Gaze if I end up liking Undernauts. Starcrawlers also looks kinda cool. I think I'm also gonna check out the demo to Descent of Lunaris at some point.
>>3993456Not playing anything currently. Wanted to play Dungeon Travelers 2 on my retroid but it crashes quite frequently. Sucks cause it's the only vita game that has ever given me trouble. Gonna try to fix it next weekend.
How are the console versions of Dungeon Master?
i am making sure it's not the emulationit also slows down in the town of enrich
>>4049023Why don't you think it will be translated?
>>4058236Because Monkarufanta wasn't either and it feels like western interest in their games has been dwindlingthey probably don't think it's even worth it anymore
>>4058348It took them over a year to release the English version of Undernauts, so there's still hope...
>>4058387I bought Undernauts, but haven't played it yet. I have the next three days off, maybe I should give it a spin. Or just play Kowloon High School Chronicle.
to get through insignificant enemies who keep popping up every inch use the fast forward feature lmao
sometimes i just run because their experience points are insignificanti don't want to have sit through 30 seconds just to get insignificant experience points
>>4058702>spoilerI picked that up ages ago and played it a little, seemed pretty cool but I got distracted and didnt finish itshould go back to it sometime
>>4058348I think their edgy games would have more of an audience than the cutesy shit in the west. I find the stranger and undernauts art far more appealing than their chibi adjacent or generic anime artstyles.
>>4059326Their edginess is only cosmetic, though.
>>4059367the top is clearly the intended experience, thoughboth games have pretty gritty settings
>>3995321in the end, custom waifus = masturbation
>>4059491You made me look it up and you're right.I always thought the gritty artstyle was added for the western release, when it's actually the other way around. The one added later was the bright anime style.
>>4059532What's it with the EoB recrutiable/raisable companions?>Every NPC that is a minority (gnome, dwarf, halfling) or a woman is a fucking poorfag, no equipment of worth found with their corpses>and then there is the two golden boy *male* characters that of course have +5 kit that's strongest equipment of the whole series.
the women in western rpgs are so ugly
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>>4000872>And then, EOB3 shat on my level 13s, making them 8s and 9s. I wonder if it happens to recruitables but not PCs in 2?Hmm, my recruitables carried over from EOB1 got transferred without level change.Gotta see what happens to the EOB2 recruitables once I have them levelled up.Also whoa, they retouched couple of the EOB1 NPC portraits, didn't expect it. compare with >>4059532I would expect this, since you non-importing players wouldn't ever see these portraits, iirc they aren't offered when creating.However, EOB3 has a "feature" that is kinda cheat version of import.If you give your characters a name of a recruitable character from EOB2 (not sure about EOB1 now) during creation, no matter what portrait you choose, upon start of the game, the portrait gets overriden to the stored portrait of that recruitable character.So you can kinda get them, even if you lost your saves from old games.
>>4060441>However, EOB3 has a "feature" that is kinda cheat version of import.>If you give your characters a name of a recruitable character from EOB2 (not sure about EOB1 now) during creationSeems to only work with EOB2 people.
>>4059367All Experience Inc games are incredibly edgy and played entirely straight, anon. The setting for these games is bleak as fuck, especially the cutesy ones.
>>4059367man I keep meaning to go back and play Legend of Sword City, but I hate the exp inc games that push you to constant class changing
>>4059367Like the other guy said the generic anime shit was added later. Notice the top image matches the monsters in the game, and Undernauts. Undernauts begins with your whole team being eaten and doesn't get much better up to the second area where I am.>>4060619I'm no expert, only beaten on of their games so far, but my impression was that you can win without class changing but it's needed for their postgame which is usually pretty robust.
>>3993456I restarted playing labryinth of refrain from when i played it years ago and got the normal ending. Its as fun as i remember but i also remember being really dissapointed that neldo doesn't actually do anything on the gameplay front, he joins the expedition but doesn't do shit other than events on the map to open up areas.
i am stuck at cave of truth in shining in the darkness egressed like 5 times to keep myself from getting killed. i looked up a map
>>4052872you can grab the 3ds font for EO on nyaa if you want (and a denuvo-less version because the devs "forgot" to add denuvo during the first few days)
>>4005714write it down then?
I still think this is the best ever. The level design and the puzzles were amazing, not to mention the spell system.
>>4062435Very ahead of its time to be sure, though graphics of course is dated (aged well considering the low colour count ant that it's Atari ST).Some of the mechanics are a bit clunky, but you mostly only notice it in DM2. The lulzy trading system instead of just implementing some window menu for trading and dialogue (the mute nature of the game was kinda weird in DM2).
>>4061653No I'm not going to write it down you dork
>>4059532>in the end, custom waifus = masturbationSlander against glorious imagination from poor wretches that can't rotate an apple inside their minds.
>>4062892Oh yeah? Then you should be able to masturbate to the person you imagine behind this post.
>>4063090I assume all anons are sexy women with bad opinions, it makes my posting experience livelier
>>4063105>all anons are sexy women with bad opinionsDo you have a single fact to back that up?
>>4063127I can say it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
>>4063127Don't believe him? It's all in the numbers.Number 1:
>>4063127sounds like something a hot chick with a dumb opinion would ask
>>4059532Heh, I never used Ileira the bones-sourced cleric from Eob1 before, but she actually isn't that bad. I wish the devs didn't typo her sex as male, idiots.Has even lousier WIS than Shorn Diergar so early on in Eob1, healing the part takes like 90 hours of resting. But it stops mattering at higher levels. FUCKING 9 WISI think I'll try taking this party of stat-rolling fail dorks all the way into Eob3. When you are used to do the sidestep fighting all the time, you don't need a great party anyway.
>>4063275>spoilerPlot twist: it wasn't a typo.
>>4063983nah, it's 1990, it's dumb mistake most likely, not a joke. Those slobs did it more than once. Like, this gentleman of sub-normal growth has "half-elf" as his race in his stats.
>>4064119
>>4000581>>4000628>>4000637Hahaha, I tried a replay and I never approached Insal's cel.Result: He appears in crimson tower fine, and apologizes for running away from party and stealing your items.If you take him into the party and let him run away, the scene doesn't appear (also doesn't appear when you drag him there without resting, heh).I hate that such a stupid story-harming bug has remained in the game for 35 years/forever.
i am playing eye of the beholderwhere is the inn so i can restore my hp and mp?
>>4064825>mp
>>4064825>dungeon crawler>innyou have to sleep
>>4064825Outside the sewer naturally, you dummy.
>>4064825in western rpgs you camp to restore mp and hpin jrpgs you go to the inn to restore hp and mp
>5 adult women>1 tiny manboy pixieI believe this is the ideal party.
>>3993456Hello anons, i am here cause i was told in vitagen to ask in here since they apparently never played these games. These past weeks i have been playing the Dungeon Traveller games, i have finished the ToHeart2 and the Royal Library, beaten all bosses, sealed all monsters and all that. I am on 2-2 now, finishing the game and the Cassino Boss is obliterating me. Even under dances, dark aura and stuff like Valkyrie buffs, if she gets a single spell off is death, and she has skills that go off without a cast time so this is kinda sad. Anyone has any ideas, strats teams or whatever? I am going nuts in here. Only missing the kill on her to close out this game too
>>4068195This sounds like a magical girl team composition.
>>4063105Including the fat hairy switch poster who routinely had his cock out in his webms?
>>4006091Lol
>>4069849>switch posterDeck poster, anon.
>>4069325where did you pick up 2-2 anyway, I like royal library a lot
>>4070353You can grab them both on nyaa.
i finally beat this shit gamei think it took me like 40 hours. i'll go check
>>4071994
it took me 38 hoursrounded it off
>>4069325I'm eyeing these up right now... wanna play a game with cute girls
>>4072140I've only played 2 (The Royal Library) but can recommend it, the dungeon crawling is actually pretty solid and the girls are cute.Lots of little sub events too, like I put one of them on the bench for a while to train up someone else and she had a sulk about it when she came back on the team
>>4069325I'm still at the water castle dungeon so this post makes me feel a little afraid lol
>>4007339Legend of Grimrock got me through some dry periods with its community workshop content, including I think a EotB2 port. Good stuff
>>4059567patriarchy took their stuff while men died alone in weird places
>>4068195EoB 3 had it out for Anya
Any chance we might get an English version of Elminage for Switch?
>>4079130Doesn't look too bad. They mainly made her eyebrows match her hair color? imagine the pubic hair.The EoB 3 paladin (Tabitha) got pretty rough deal with the portrait, while looking pretty good in the cutscene when you found her, defenseless mmmh.
This is neither here or there, but I've randomly checked out LP episode for an obscure Czech dungeon crawler from 90s Gates of Skeldal and the sheer amount of nerdy terms guy dropped in the first 40 seconds was honestly overwhelming.Made me think a bit about how people unfamiliar with RPGs view them, it's really like a different language.
>>4079925That game's weird. has tits out half-naked dryads, but it's a watercolor hand-paint digitized 1990s 64x480 (local artist, so don't expect much) and not quite a style I like.Also janky turn-based. I played it way back then, today I might not have patience to finish it.
>>4031079I've played to (almost) the end of the original quest in both Ascension and Revenge but I keep getting distracted and/or taking breaks from grindan' at that point and putting the game down. No big rush or anything, so it's fine, I'll get back to it when I get back to it.If that anon comes back or anybody else wants to know anything about Demise: Rise of the Ku'tan and its expansions, I'll probably keep an eye on the thread for a while. It's kind of a janky little game but I think it's got a lot of heart.
I've been slogging through Fall of the dungeon guardians over a few months nowI thought it would have 10 levels and I would be done after 20 hours but now I am at level 11 and there is no end in sight.The core appeal is the biggest flaw for me. The game is extremely combat focused but the combat is real time with pause MMO tab targeting shit complete with threat management. Each encounter feels like a slog and there is nothing but combat with randomly generated MMOslop gear to get. The combat never really evolves into anything different, just the numbers get higher.I would not recommend this game at all.
I'm finally out of the damn castle no chance I would have figured out how to get the hook
>>4072140Moemon ROMhacks
>always hear good things about Wizardry Gaiden on the GB>Can't get used to how moving between tiles is instantIs it worth it to try and stick with it? I just get disoriented so easily if there's no animation for moving around.
>>4084501You think the hook was bad? You haven't seen shit yet.
>>4084501nice, I went through that a couple months backdefinitely no shame in using a guide for a few parts
>>4084501getting out of the castle is one of the reasons why you need to play the SNES versionlearning that the game doesn't even have a different tileset for mountains and jungles is just trash
>>4062494>though graphics of course is datedWhile maybe this is true, the viewport is bigger than EoB, that felt like a downgrade at the time.
>>4084501WHY are you playing this version? What the hell is wrong with you?
>>4088372is there a problem?
>>4088371yeah, I recently noticed that. It's funny how the boss dragon fills it all in EoB2 and still is fun-sized and extremely chonky to fill the space.Also Dungeon Master may look dated as I said, but it is still not too dated to be hard to approach, unlike the older Wizardry games for example. It is fairly modern looking technically, despite looking fairly ass aesthetically.
>>4088715>It is fairly modern looking technically, despite looking fairly ass aesthetically.I think they did a great job with Dungeon Master and there are higher-color versions if you want to play them, IIRC. The austere UI is actually quite nice, whatever constraints they had were worked within very well. Modern games could look at their jumbo jet control panels / character screens / etc. and learn something about leaving things out sometimes making the whole better.
>>4089061We gotta remember that the game was made in like 1987 on Atari ST, not even on Amiga
>>4089061>Modern games could look at their jumbo jet control panels / character screens / etc. and learn something about leaving things out sometimes making the whole better.yes the UI for Ultima Underworld. but AFAIK modern RPGs are now mostly ARPGs with minimum UI on the main screen, and a bunch of menus in the settings/etc screens.
Devil Whiskeyhttps://decklinsdomain.e-junkie.com/product/769043/PC-Game---Devil-Whiskey-Downloadhttps://dungeoncrawlers.org/game/devil-whiskey/i need some other people to play this thing and help get it figured out i don't have the time to figure out this shit
Finished Nyaz on the SwitchIts a rather blatant Wizardry clone made by a developer who has only made mobile games before.The gimmick is that you play as cats. A lot of friction mechanics like negative stats during level up and alignment have been removed. Its closer to the Bradley formula of Wizardry where you are encouraged to change classes rather than stick it out with a single class. To that end an ideal party consists of 6 ninjas which have been leveled up high enough as both mages and priests to know all spells and have a sizable mana pool.If nothing else it will make you appreciate the core structure of wizardry as it can carry something as uninteresting as this game for at least 12 hours. When I said a blatant wizardry clone I meant it. The game has nothing new to offer in terms of level design or mechanics. Since its supposed to be "beginner friendly" the level design isn't anything complex. The only good thing I can say about it is that certain encounters required some thought to overcome without taking too much damage but even that is completely negated once you have your murder blob ready.Theres a post game dungeon which has enemies with innate spell resistance to negate the standard Nuke spamming but all that ends up doing is make you want to avoid encounters since the alternative is slogging it out for 5 minutes per encounter setting up buffs and debuffs to kill the hordes of enemies.I would not recommend this to anyone. If in some dire situation you want to play this, play the Switch version even if you have to emulate it. The PC version is a mobile app running through a web browser none of the bells and whistles of the switch version.
>>4093643Didn't know the game even existed. Appreciate the review, anon.
>>3993456nice youtube channel on topic, no bullshit aihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpndjURaaks
>>4093643>To that end an ideal party consists of 6 ninjas which have been leveled up high enough as both mages and priests to know all spells and have a sizable mana pool.man, I really hate games that encourage that sort of thing
I did not enjoy Dungeon Automata.I went in thinking it'd give me what I've been wishing the genre would do for decades (allow you to set routines for individual encounters to cut down on the menuing) and just be a normal dungeon crawler, but no, it had to be full trial and error bullshit where you HAVE to make mistakes and die before you can progress. It's stupid.Bonus points for making the same mistake as FFXII and locking the main gimmick behind progression.
Fuck it, I'm making my own first-person party-based DRPG. I'm a coder who's good enough of writing to have been traditionally published a few times. I dabble in pixel art. I'm decent at guitar, I can do music.Fuck it.
>>4097110godspeed, anon
i guess i need to find a weapons shop and armor shop in this game. i keep dying punching them lmaoi need to ask ai how to bring the map. m doesn't bring up the map. neither does tab
it is tab. i just need find the journal first tab is usually the map in msdos rpgs
>>4100703dungeon crawlers*
>>4084501Enfo looks ready to defend his team.
>>4100694why are you running it at 70fpswhy haven't you equipped any gearwhy are you just standing there and tanking hitsdid you read the manual
>>4094653Same. I kinda get why some people like that approach, but hearing people claim a game is good and then say something like "they expect you break the game entirely until you're not even really playing it anymore" is a bit of a turn off. I always think I'd much rather prefer to play a game that is actually balanced.
>>4093643At least the game looks cute, I guess, judging by the screenshots.
>>4085735yeah i remembered when i was kid and i got out of the castle i was like hell ya and then i'm like wait the whole game looks like the castle? like ur in a forest fighting amazons or some shit and it's a castle graphics? did they not finish it or something? why did they think that was ok
>game reuses graphics assets in order to save both dev time and storageMany cases like this.
>>4097110i'm fuckin' backGot the real basic layer of shit built. I've got a map painter tool that lets me build maps out whenever I'm bored at work or something. I've got the formation/row system in. I've got NPC dialogue functionality. Eventually I'll sit down and start building frames for the UI/menus. Music is going to be earthy acoustic guitar and some heavier electric shit in there. I'm taking a "music technology" class next semester that'll teach me how to use a MIDI composer, which will go a long way. I'm a big Buckethead fan, so that's the neighborhood a lot of the sound will be in.Art's the thing furthest from my skill-base. I've been a dev for nearly a decade. I've got music down. Writing's going to be easy since I'm going for an SMT-esque mythology flavor.Skill system is going to be like Digital Devil Saga's sutra system, but with some additions. I'm an SMT-babby through and through. Eyeballing a "third row" system, where players/enemies can occupy a forward row that acts as a high-risk/high-reward thing. But that's way further down the road.
>>4103881>>4103891storage had nothing to do with itafter the disaster that was wizardry 4, wizardry 6 had 0 faith in itit was outdated on release, using EGA graphics in 1990 while games like Might and Magic were pushing the envelope technologicallythe developers basically had the choice between having more enemy sprites or more dungeon tilesets, they chose to compromise on the tilesets because they realized that anyone who was invested enough to get through the castle wouldn't mind it since wizardry used wireframe graphics before 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhRbbN__7Bslooks nice, apparently made by the guy/team behind MAW mod for M&M Merge
>spend 30 full minutes learning the system of M&M3 and rolling a set of characters>get into one combat encounter>discover that I hate the auto-attack/ATB or whatever you'd call the way combat resolveswell, that sucks.
>>4104664>30 full minutes learning the system of M&M3brother what took you 30 minutes, its as simple as they come
>>4105036he kept re-rolling for minmaxed stats?
Is it worth playing Wizardry 1? I played it once a long time ago and bounced off at floor 2. How do I git gud?
>>4103907Here's how this shit will workCharacters will have classes-- these are going to fill your usual roles; healing, damage, tanking. One of my favorite aspect of dungeon crawlers is exploration. So, while exploring, the player might come upon "scriptures". Scriptures are equipped, and while equipped, gain scripture-specific exp. At fixed thresholds, players will unlock skills provided by that scripture, which can then be used to supplement their class.Scriptures will also determine stat growth on level up. I'm a random encounter babby, but playing through THYSIASTERY has me feelin' roaming enemies. That's a decision for later, though.
>>4100694>i need to ask ai go die
>>4100694Holy mother of retard this has to be bait.
>>4106712>Scriptures will also determine stat growth on level up.thats going to trigger a lot of people's autism instead of them determining stat growth on level up you should have them provide stat bonus/malus based on scripture level for the characterthat way you won't have permanently botched characters or trigger minmax autism of a player having to reroll his entire party once he has all scriptures for optimal stat growths
>>3993456What's the point of dungeon crawlers? are they like the turn based/party based version of ARPGs? I mean in the sense that the whole point of that genre is explore and to kill monsters and get loot and levels for then to be able to explore more difficult places and kill harder monsters and get even better loot and higher levels. But also with nothing narratively interesting in between that loop. Like a good story or interesting characters
Party composition, finding synergies, solving puzzles, and making your way to the bottom. >Like a good story or interesting charactersIt’s called using your imagination kiddo.
>>4112086 Meant for >>4112005
>>4112090I didn't mean it in a critical way. I was just using the example of what I know that most ARPGs are, to ask if Dungeon Crawlers are kinda the same in that regard. You know, that the main selling point of them are the exploration and the grinding for the sake of power fantasy
>>4112107I’d say yeah kinda sorta then. There’s something satisfying about “beating” the dungeon who is essentially the end all antagonist in these games.
>>4103907>>4106712oh neat, I'm doing one too but came from an etrian angle. or at least that was the idea but I recently picked up SMT1 and it's cool as fuck and my first attempt at a map accidentally became less forest-y as a resultplayed too many early FF games in recent months and got sick of random encounters, willing to try making it all appear on the map
>>4112385Even in the office buildingF.O.E!
I finished Evening Starter and its sequel Evening SurvivorThey are H games heavily focused on Dungeon Crawling. The closest comparison I can think of is the Devil Summoner franchise of games minus the demon negotiation and summoning. The first game has you taking risky jobs of fighting cultists summoning demons to pay off your debt of 200 million dollars after burning a warehouse district of the city down. The level design is pretty simple. You don't have many DRPG staples like spinners, teleporters and pitfalls. The maps range from schools, warehouses, hospitals and office buildings warped and slimed by otherworld ghost slime. You unlock the ability to buy better gear by paying off more of your debt. Instead of getting money directly from combat encounters you get items you have to sell on the black market to get money. This ranges from demonic body parts to snuff films. The game does a really good job of selling its contemporary setting instead of just being just a generic reskin. You upgrade your weapons by buying more powerful guns instead of Sword+1, most new enemies get a description and discussion among party members about their traits and at one point you get uranium as loot which you cannot sell in the black market because of obvious implications so it sits in your inventory for a while until your glownigger party member can safely hand it over to the government.The combat remains somewhat interesting as you can't just auto attack your way through encounters and boss fights require some semblance of planning and gearing to survive. The H content is largely optional with the best ending being the one where you pay off your debt and remain a virgin.
>>4118912Evening Survivor is a step down in almost all aspects. Firstly, it runs like shit. It looks better than the first one but it uses a 3d module for RPGmaker which isn't optimized at all. Second, the setting is a post apocalyptic one despite having more improved level design which removes a lot of the appeal of the original.The H content is skippable but not optional. There is no such thing as a virgin run. The character customization is also simplified. Its a bit more harder than the original but you never really feel like you're building your party towards something interesting. The random encounters are harder than the bosses.The first game took me around 15 hours to finish but the second one only took me 8 hours. I guess the second one was more of a cash in/rush job by the developer while the first one was a passion project. They are weird games. As an H game none of the H content was appealing to me but it does use its adult rating to push some darker content so its not completely worthless. I would say Evening Starter is worth playing if you want to play a DRPG. Evening Survivor is only interesting if you want more of the same but slightly worse.
Demon Gaze Extra is 75% off on the Nintendo eshop. Is it any cool?
>>4118915no, it's experience slop, if you played one of them you played all of them and not even once is really all that great
>>4112107some of the goldboxed games are ARPGs though?actually many of them used realtime combat.
>>4030772wizardry 8 was the last western wizardry. the ps2 had a japanese wizardry game on it. something about forgotten lands or whatever, i never played it. sony wasn't interested in porting western pc titles at that time so they pushed for japanese ripoffs.>>4060111you don't have to play shit games just for the women. just watch porn.
>>4101239>why are you running it at 70fpsnta but some monitors are 70hz. with vsync active it will hover around 69.9 fps.
>>3996110I beat it once, dot skills are the only option damage option. Game long side quest getting those colored keys is broken. Tried to run through it again the other month and the town won't load properly, text is off screen.
Aspiring game devWhat to you are the key things to include/keep in mind to make a DC game kino?
>>4120441feel like any aspiring game dev could answer this themselves if they've played any of these
>>4120441if you have any way to make your other party members feel like individuals rather than just another part of you, that would be niceand i dont mean just premade npcs that join during the game, i mean characters you generated race/class yourself, but are not simply blank faces outside of battle.
>>4088372Party transfer.
I'm new to DRPGs and very slowly working through Etriam and old SMT. Which other games have a similar consistent difficulty? In comparison I tried Undernauts and Labyrinth of Refrain, both of which feel brainless for many hours in an annoying way, not to mention I really fucking hate the story of Refrain.
>>4127163Stranger of sword city
>>4127163>UndernautsHoly shit, I fucking hate that game. It just feels so cheap. Felt like an asset flip or something.
>>4127163Busin 1 and 0
For those who have played Potato Flowers in Full Bloom, which classes do you recommend or find the most fun?
>>4127163Bunny black
>>4118915Yeah, it's one of the better drpgs. The story might not land for all, but the gameplay is great.
Little something in Steam Next Festhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/4165660/Dungeon_Treaders/
Wiz 8, all day. custom characters ofc, and getting to really enjoy solo and 4-man parties for dat fat xp
>>4085735the dfortae remaster™ mod with the wiz 7 engine changes shit. What little bit I played of it was good, but do not play his wiz 8 "balance" mod. Get raped to death because he capped missile shield and screen at lvl 1
>>4129761I would be a lot more interested in this if it wasn't cuckolding trash
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2871520/Deep_Dish_Dungeon/This just got released
>>41297841. create 4 girls by choosing race/class and assigning stats2. choose one to marry among them3. read on how to avoid the cuck event in that specific race story4. get a slave so the guys in your party will leave the other girls alone 5. make sure you get all 12 stones before you rest at the desert's innand walla, you protected your waifu. not as satisfying as saving the world but still a challange worth playing.
>>4129784btwif there was a game that rather than protecting your waifu you saved the worldbut when you make mistakes the world sufferpeople die, prices rise, towns become gloomy, named npcs replaced with generic ones, in short the game will constantly remind you of your failures by altering the enviorment, would you call it 'trash'?
>>4129814Or I just play a game without the cuckolding in it in the first place
>>4129825>people die, prices rise, towns become gloomy, named npcs replaced with generic ones, in short the game will constantly remind you of your failures by altering the enviorment, would you call it 'trash'?But I loved Deus Ex
>>4052083>>4118915>>4128263speaking of demon gaze, im playing extra on the pc and i was wondering if somthing got removed on localization1. cant set bgm volume seperate from voice volume. i often find that the music drowns out the voice acting, but not only i cant change its volume i cant even turn it off. the only reason such a basic feature is out is due localizers removing it while removing something else. i cant think of any other logical explenation2. costum party members are genderless. this really caught me by suprise. sure i can give them female sprite and female voice but the game never mention their gender. after playing sosc where character created characters had age and gender in addition to name im feeling like wondering- whats so extra about it. i was expecting a bit more wifey-experiance. the basement loli is cute but come on.
Is etrian actually good or am I going to get baited by horny v fags just jerking off to the little girl portraits.And if so which do i play first. I have a dsi xl and 3ds original modded
>>4023895fuck off shartyfag
>>4001526You just made me think about the extremely weird change from 1E (which is extremely heavily biased toward Gygax and his pecularities) to 2E. In 1E demihumans have unlimited level caps in thief, since Gygax didn't think of thieves as like political actors that would dominate the world and make it not-human-centric. So you could have your half-millennium old elf thief accompanying the party forever. But for some reason 2E rejected that and capped them harshly, including poor Amber from EoB 2.
>>4130578>was wondering if somthing got removed on localizationiirc the localization for the original release was mostly a good faith attempt. Nothing like a 4kids rewrite, the overall plot and characterization is still accurate. However the wording of some parts was hard to understand and the jokes were sometimes localized but still retained the same harem anime tone. You'll likely miss a lot of the canon references and connections to the previous Experience Inc games due to how it's localized.I do not know if Demon Gaze Extra had any of that fixed.>after playing sosc where character created characters had age and gender in addition to name im feeling like wondering- whats so extra about it.The party members in Demon Gaze aren't really characters in the plot even as a collective, they're just hired adventurers that work for the canon protagonist who has a canon wife. The second game makes your party members established characters with their own social links if you want that stuff.Also the answer to the audio critique is that the Japanese are retarded and bad with settings.
>>4133183i did play dg2- played it before extra actually - and i had fun for awhile. but im looking for a game where i can date mob characters
>>4060087>>4060111>being a retarded weeb trannyThat's only true for western action adventure games, tranny. Try actually being accurate.
>>4133398both are guys btw
>>4133424I'm trans by the way
>>4133426i figured that by you trying to defend western designs
>>4112385I dig your environments, anon. I'm actually borrowing a lot from EO, as well. Currently have some basic skill trees in, about to add buffs/debuffs, but those will use the SMT system of +3/-3 capped. I keep swinging back on random encounters. I think what I'll do is add a traversal skill like a torch or something, while the torch is lit, you can see enemies and random encounters don't occur. Torch goes out, boom, back to random encounters.
>>4133429>i figured that by you trying to defend western designsWhat are you talking about tranny? Why are you responding to yourself?
>>4133431I've planned out the rough idea of what gameplay will be like. I wanted to move away from random encounters and make battles exist on the dungeon itself. Having critters wander the map and actually using the floor layout as part of the combat, make things a little more interactive.Also speed will determine how often you take turns, rather than just turn order. Each combatant fills up a combat turn bar from 0 to 100%, giving them a turn. Adding abilities to manipulate that percentage, so a party member knocks an enemy back 50% with a skill and controls who moves when. Idea seems fun on paper at least.I'm an artlet and a fucking retard so progress is slow. I'm trying for a mix of big wide-open environments and not just the usual sewer/dungeon tight spaces. Making the map interesting enough so it's not an eyesore to look at and creating good looking enemy sprites will take time. I'll just keep making garbage for a few months until it starts looking presentable.
we are back btw
>>4135382Looks worse than Wizardry 1.
>>4136174cant be helped, games back then just had more SOUL.
>>4135635>Having critters wander the map and actually using the floor layout as part of the combatThis is always a cool concept, but bear in mind that it also drastically affects the game overall. There'll naturally be less resources earned as you play and so you'll have to balance the boss fights or encounters with that in mind, you can't use the "just grind bro" excuse like other dungeon crawlers. There's also much more importance on individual encounters when they're effectively set pieces too, so you'll need to make those encounters more memorable and challenging or they'll just be cheesed while people call your game boring.That's why I like the Experience Inc approach of having random encounters for draining resources, set encounter spawns as roadblocks in the level and encounters you intentionally summon for when the player needs to grind.>Also speed will determine how often you take turns, rather than just turn order.That is a good idea, but it's also just the Digimon Story battle system. It's good because it makes the battles more dynamic, more of a back and forth with the player. You should add lanes and attacks that cover different lanes too. Lanes are cool.>I'm an artlet and a fucking retard so progress is slow.I think that looks nice if it is your work. Just needs more accents and accessories to decorate and make different areas look less identical. People don't care about the dungeon looking samey, so long as the individual areas feel different enough to go through.
>>4123849That's a neat idea. I don't think I've played a game with that element before. Can anons recommend any titles that managed to pull that off?
>>4120441skill tree and moe anime grills.
>>4136614Dungeon and Bride
>>4123849>>4136614I didn't play it much because it's a gacha but wizardry daphne uses 3d modeled characters that each play animations when they take an action in battle. Hate to say it but that gacha made a huge improvement in de-blobbing the blobber with that idea alone. Pretty expensive to make a game with that feature though
>>4136614Jagged Alliance 2 and 3 (much later, by some other company, but I liked it a lot, I think opinions are varied on it though).All characters are mercs, and some have things like they won't join your team if someone they don't like is with you, or vice versa there's a little bonus for certain pairs that like each other, and I believe admiration can grow in 3, don't remember about 2. I think in both also, if people keep getting killed, they will raise their contract fee or refuse to join.Wasteland 2 has a nice mechanic with Leadership. Companions have a chance to 'go rogue' and basically just decide for themselves what they'll do that round. This doesn't happen if you have someone that has a high enough Leadership.Solasta has a thing where you give each character a background and tone, and things they say slightly change due to it, and there's a quest tied that comes up later related to their backgrounds, which I think is a nice way of giving a little personality.
>>4136614>>4136644the reason i say dungeon and bride give personality to user created party memebers is because they have semi-unique events and cgs (based on their race), also they can get emberessed if you give them risque armor, but if they ware risque armor for long eventually they stop caring
>>4136644i misread the questions. i meant to say RPGs should have more skill trees n kawaii animu grills for my pp and autism for skill trees.
>>4137414anon just wants to see his party members undress...
>>4138293guilty as charged
>>4137414another reason characters have individuality is the random fights two characters get into and than you can't have them sleep in the inn in the same room. or sometimes they just decide they want a certain room and wont budge from there.
>>3995392Did you ever find it anon?
>>3993456Just finished the Saturn version of BAROQUE, what should i play next?
>>4143402Return to classic turn based.
>>3993456I'm testing the English patch of Prisoners of the Lost City atm.After 20 hours, the game still feels pretty good. I haven't changed classes yet.And I still can't understand why ACQUIRE didn't port this instead of Labyrinth of Lost Souls to Steam.The story and the setting of this game are more interesting than Labyrinth of Lost Souls. It also has more interesting classes like Summoner, Kensei or Sorcerer v.v. compared to the 8 classic classes of Labyrinth of Lost Souls.
>>4143402What game is this?
>>4143860Baroque for the sega saturn, Its kindof a roguelike since you play as several [REDACTED] of one guy who is given a fuge gun and told to go to the nerve tower and kill god since it went mad and corrupted everything and turned everyone into mutants.Also you may or may not be the cause of everything being fucked.
