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=== CURRENT RELEASES ===
666 Minutes of /vr/
Game : Doom 2 | Format : Vanilla, Limit Removing
Repo: https://gitgud.io/GreenAnon/btsx-project

=== NEWS ===
[10-27] Doom Universe Installment C - Crypts of Dispair released
https://timeofdoom.proboards.com/thread/245

[10-24] Killer5's commentated playthroughs
https://archive.org/details/zzul-doom-playthroughs

[10/23] Phobos Delta-1 updated to v2.0.
https://r3voke.itch.io/phobos-delta1

[10-20] Corridor 7 recreation in GZDoom
https://www.moddb.com/mods/corridoom

[10-18] Showtime v2.2, QoL and gameplay changes
https://cherubcorps.itch.io/showtime/devlog/1703786/showtime-v22-is-live

[10-18] Nugget Doom v6.1.0 update
https://github.com/MrAlaux/Nugget-Doom/releases

[10-16] Mega Man 8-Bit Deathmatch V6C is released
https://mm8bdm.net/home

[10-13] Richard 'Levelord' Gray has passed away
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/160524

[10-12] Crispy Doom suite v7.2 update
https://github.com/fabiangreffrath/crispy-doom/releases

[10-12] New interactive /idgames frontend
https://planetzdoom.com/idgames

[10-10] Zandronum v3.3 alpha is out
https://zandronum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=11584

[10-08] H&H DCP, new 6 map hub for Hexen
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/160385

[10-05] PUSS 3, Hexen mapset, RC2
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/160409

[10-05] DN3DooM v1.09 update, tons of new features
https://www.moddb.com/mods/dn3doom

[10-05] 666 Minutes of /vr/ is on idgames
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=22139

[10-05] HELLBABE, new gameplay mod
https://skelegant.itch.io/hellbabe

[10-05] Spineless by AD_79 is out
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/160408

[10-04] Zilla's Dorms, new Shadow Warrior map
https://www.moddb.com/games/shadow-warrior/addons/zilla-dorms

=== PREVIOUS ===
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>>12899694 >>12899698 >>12899871 >>12900005 >>12900247 >>12900250 >>12900262 >>12901302 >>12905292

He did the thing!

>>12899686
Silly question, but did Sandy make any levels for his crypto scam thing? Last thing I heard he was sued for it.

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>>12900326

>>12899686

>Doom
More like mood.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raUxT--H-Us&lc=Ugx-ZD0HY5DLVffwxyZ4AaABAg
Already played it, its really good and well put together. 3-5 hours of gameplay worth.

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>>12899707
Moo'd.

>>12899708
>aislop
FUCK. OFF. NO, SERIOUSLY, GO
FUCKING
AWAY!!!!

>>12899716
I guess it'll make Marks NamDoom thing look good if he ever finishes it.

>>12899708
Is this the GAMMA of retro FPS?

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>>12899734

Hellbabe's been a good time so far.
>>12899708
What engine is it using?

>>12899727
Is it less OP than Stone? I've got back into the habit of vanilla Doom using DSDA and/or Nugget recently, but a fun weapon mod is always a good time.

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>>12899747

>>12899671
I've tried so many games but I always come back to Doom. It's just so perfect bros.

Anyway, playing The Given right now. Any clue what to do here?

>>12899734
>Is it less OP than Stone?
Considerably less, definitely not vanilla balance but a fair bit lower.

Does depend on what port it's in though, it's got some port-specific stuff.

>>12899738
>I've tried so many games but I always come back to Doom. It's just so perfect bros.
I still think Quake has greater potential with level design. I enjoy exploring a Quake map once the enemies are dead in mods like AD. Doom only really has combat and while I think it's the better game the lack of true 3D is noticeable in the maps.

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>>12899652
>but less than it would be if the eastern side wasn't full of russians
They may be the far second only to the japanese in the privilege of sporting anime avatars and not getting dissed for it. When i see some vaguely queer modmaker and learn that he's slav/russian, suddenly my perception does a favorable 180 turn. As example: Eye Juice. No way to explain this phenomenon.

>>12899747
I got far too used to horizontal aiming, that no other fps now feels as pleasing. Nta.

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>>12899769 >>12899781 >>12899782 >>12899783 >>12899928 >>12900181 >>12901325 >>12901636 >>12902010

hey guys, i made a strawpoll about what peripherials you use to play doom

https://strawpoll.com/6QnMQ42Wane

i'm thinking about getting a new mouse but i'm not sure if i should get a wired or wireless one

also curious how many people in this thread don't play with a mouse

>>12899757
I was going to say wired mice in this day and age is weird, but there's a touch control option and frankly those people should be sectioned.

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>>12899806 >>12900287 >>12901040

>>12899747
In terms of gameplay I think the lack of jumping and vertical aiming makes for some great scenarios. Personally I've just never liked Quake but I respect Quake bros too. I too do enjoy exploring maps after beating them though. The last one being Formless Mother (pic rel) for example. Beautiful scenery, even worth noclipping around to see some of the other landscapes.

>>12899747
>Doom only really has combat and while I think it's the better game the lack of true 3D is noticeable in the maps.
Only the vanilla-based ones. There's some fun ZD/GZD stuff out there that aren't so limited.

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>>12899757
I'm using tilt controls!

>>12899757
My AJAZZ AJ100 has been holding up for the past 4 years as a good wireless mouse though the battery is getting worse.

>>12899757
Interesting, voted.

>>12899769
>wired mouse
They are more reliable, or something. No batteries, low-latency connection (PS/2 port in particular).

>>12899723
It's still semi-popular to hate on Mark, but some of the shit he makes is actually cool.

>>12899781
that's what i actually meant by touch control

i knew you were in here

>>12899787
He's been doing a lot better the last few years with a lot of that shit, some people are just stuck on seeing him the way he was and the way he did shit when he was a teenager who accidently got a fuckton of attention.

>>12899772
>Formless Mother
How was it? I never played it because it is supposedly really ballbursting.

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>>12899843

Keyboard warriors, what's your control scheme?
>ESDF move, J+L turn, K shoot, SPACE use
>R rockets, T plasma, V bfg

>>12899805
Some people were fucking stupid when young. Sometimes I think back to my teens and wish I could reach back in time and chokeslam my young self for being such an asshole.

>>12899805
>teenager
Didn't he contribute a map to 200 mins of /vr/ (which later returned in E-Day)?

>>12899816
I count myself lucky that I grew up during the time when broadband internet was for rich people and social media was in its infancy, so my cringey misanthropic 16-year-old self has no digital footprint.

Sgt Mark's a good dude and very talented. Hope he manages to finish Brutal Fate some day.

>>12899816
Basically what being a teenager is for really.
>>12899831
>Brutal Fate
Probably just as well he bit off more than he could chew, by the time he's done the faux retro fad will have faded even more so there'll be less competition overall.

>>12899816
Same

>>12899814
if i remember correctly, when i was a keyboard warrior in the 90s, i used arrows for forward+back+turn, <> for strafing, space for shooting, ctrl for activate, and the numpad for weapons

then i bought a joystick

>>12899806
NTA, but my first impression was of amateur and tasteless. I dipped from the cyberdemon double-whammy room when it became increasingly obvious that author just slapped shit until it kind of worked. It pulls out with tryhard horror aesthetics.

There was also some 10x10 knockoff that I no longer remember the name of, likewise the cacoward winner. Gameplay-wise it was even more slapdash.

>>12899557
Thanks, it's good to hear you enjoy them.
Having a lot of mods I like to look at and pick apart does help, I also took a game design course ages ago. Not sure if that has any bearing on things though.
>Ferret
I'd be surprised if he makes a mod on his own to begin with, he also fell for the phones are better than mid-range computers bait.
He does have a few credits, but it's just for shitty music from what I know.

>>12899549
I think I know that anon, actually. He's fine.
I just don't feel like adding reloading would really do much for the rest of the mod.

>>12899806
NTA, but it's a good challenge in my opinion. If you don't like slaughter or hard WADs I don't think it'll change your opinion, but if you're into either of those you're going to enjoy it.
Failing that, it's got some stupendous presentation. I dare say it looks better than Sunder's best.

>>12899856
>I'd be surprised if he makes a mod on his own to begin with
Far as I can tell he's only done the shitty empty out the floppy disk of midis mod and then fill it with a fuckton of copyrighted mp3s thing.

>>12899856
>but if you're into either of those you're going to enjoy it
To each his own. String of enclosed "arena puzzle" rooms, surface-level understanding of monster roles (put as many types as you can, it will be good challenge), no sense for scale and space. That's all a good evidence for me that mapper has very little talent and imagination.

Isn't author your friend with whom you collaborated and some?

>>12899686
For me it's MIDI Maze

>>12899870
Friend is pushing it these days, but yes, I did routinely collaborate with him and provided plenty of music (some bespoke) for his projects prior to this year. I just drifted away from a lot of people and even this general for a good while.
For what it's worth, I do like Treehouse's stuff even though I don't necessarily like him as an acquaitance so there's less bias in my opinion than you might assume.

>>12899864
I think he also made some shitty AI gen version of that, but I might be wrong. It's not like I have a reason to keep tabs on him.

>>12899881
Maybe his output has gained finesse days, but my initial impression soured any enthusiasm for it. Without spelling names of the giants, which may come as unfair, I think Paul977 is the kind of newbie who actually did some good challenge stuff. LunchLunch, someone who I've already mentioned and whose whole motto is "imitation as the best kind of flattery", is also strong cross-example.

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>>12899757
Keyboard warriors, assemble!

>>12899694
He wasn't sued, he got a dmca. Last I heard he was working on it, but it's been quiet for a month or so.

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>>12900031 >>12900063 >>12900171 >>12901680 >>12901686 >>12901767 >>12904197 >>12904227

Which launcher are you currently using?

>>12899985
If you genuinely think he was gonna make new Doom maps, you're as dumb as Sandy. That shit was crypto scam his idiot son got him wrapped up in and the asshole who made the shitcoin already rugpulled it back in August, making Sandy look like a giant moron.

He was never gonna make levels for that shit.

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>>12899686
Dooms multiplayer code wasn't even in 8 months before release. When Sandy joined the company there was no deathmatch or any multiplayer in the game. They were scrambling to get it done just months from release.
I'm sure they had cope meetings and second thoughts with no multiplayer as advertised and a looming deadline. 100%

>>12900000
The maps were supposedly being made when a new lead took over. I'm not speaking of it being a shit coin or whatever, just that there was supposedly some work done after that rug pull. Not holding my breath, just repeating what was said.

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>>12900021 >>12900070

QUAKE LIVE HAS FALLEN!
I REPEAT!
QUAKE LIVE HAS FALLEN!
THEY ABSOLUTELY FUCKED OVER HOW THIS FT SERVER RUNS!
10 YEARS AND IT RAN FINE. TROONS GOT IN AND CHANGED EVERYTHING!
JOIN THE FUCKING 41% ALREADY AND STOP RUINING MY SHIT!

>>12900019
You just know it smell crazy in there.

>>12900006
Sandy's the reason why most of Doom 2's maps suck anyways, so I dunno why you'd want him to make more of them.

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>>12899997
AceCorp Launcher, since ZDL decided to be a FUCKHEAD and start wiping my settings every single time I launched it.

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>>12900000
I'm the anon who originally asked the question. If Sandy promises, then why wouldn't he deliver this at least? New map would've given us clue about his capabilities, even if it had ended being half-assed effort. Well, it was only a frivolous curiosity of mine. Also, nice quintuples.

>>12900036
>If Sandy promises, then why wouldn't he deliver this at least?
I guess you're not familiar with his history of unfulfilled Kickstarter projects that've been funded and then dropped.

You'd be a fool to trust this man to deliver ANYTHING these days.

>>12900031
>ZDL decided to be a FUCKHEAD and start wiping my settings every single time I launched it
Yeah, that happened to me a few weeks ago and I don't know why, though it's literally the only time it's happened to me
I tried AceCorp and while it works well, I feel like it takes longer to launch my sourceports for some reason

>>12899997
command line

>>12900019
Did they beat your ass?

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>>12900070
Safe to say he'd not be any of the six with pride flags in the respective top 3s, so the LGBTQs definitely jiggled his ass cheeks until he had to blame it on lag, the sun was in his eyes, the dog fell out the window, Mercury was in retrograde

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>>> CLASSIC DOOM CHALLENGE <<<

Record a UV-Max demo of Eternally Haunted Map 04 "Left Circle Strafe Orange" by NiGHTS108 (-cl21)
Reply to this post with a demo & your time.

Wad download & records:
https://dsdarchive.com/wads/eterhaun?level=Map+04

Example demo in 5:09:
https://files.catbox.moe/ix8j7l.lmp

Previous challenge winner: Some mysterious and handsome anon.

The spookiest night of the year is nearly upon us, which led me to consider: what does /vr/ really fear? Going outside?... Perhaps, but also slaughter. The spiderdemon has been replaced with a low health cyberdemon and the chainsaw has been replaced with an infinite ammo bfg, good luck and happy Halloween.
>>12899671

>>12900048
I should know better than to trust twitter-addicted bag of bones, but apparently the situation is even worse? Damn, which projects?
>In a 2025 update, Petersen Games said it had fulfilled 83% of rewards across its projects and that fulfillment of the remainder remained a priority.
That crypto scam really spoiled my image of him, just hoping that I ain't getting baited here on some youtuber's talking point. He has plenty of haters.

>>12900078
>webm
Spooky.

>>12900081
>In a 2025 update, Petersen Games said it had fulfilled 83% of rewards across its projects and that fulfillment of the remainder remained a priority.

Trust me, I'm not just parroting shit I saw on a YouTube video. From what I've learned, if you go to the backer comments section of a lot of Sandy's Kickstarter campaigns throughout the last few years, there's a shit-ton of angry people who feel fleeced. One fella I met on a different forum where we were talking about Sandy's crowdfunding chicanery was a backer for one of Sandy's games that was successfully crowdfunded 6 YEARS AGO and still hasn't come out.

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>>12900264

When I look at the weapon sprite, I find it horrifying to imagine this purple creature running on its two legs. Also...
>Those health bonuses
Thanks doc.

>>12900050
ACL has the same issue, only it happens much less often. Something to do with how Windows kills processes which, in my theory, corrupts the XML write stream. Been chasing it for a while now. Occasionally happens on my laptop but not once has it happened on my desktop in all these years. Will fix it sooner or later, just need to understand what happens exactly. Getting closer.

>>12899997
DoomRunner. It's nice.

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>>12900171
Huh, it actually looks pretty neat

>>12899757
I love my XBOX controller

>>12900181
For some reason Doom is the only PC FPS I think plays well with a controller

>>12900005
I don't believe you

>>12900186
thanks to how ridiculous console autoaim is, the absolutely highest ranks on MCC are all washed up mlg controller players

the top of the quake/csgo chain was playing halo for a bit and couldn't compete with the controller gods even though they'd put up a good fight

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>>12900256 >>12900892 >>12903351

>wanting to make corruption card + map randomizer type stuff for Quake
>try looking into getting more information (especially strings) stored across levels
>Google doesn't help much, resort to asking AI
>apparently there's been functionality floating around in some engines for reading and writing text files via QuakeC functions since the 90s (FRIK_FILE)
>the only modern ports supporting it that normal people actually use are QSS and vkQuake (recent)
https://quakewiki.org/wiki/FRIK_FILE
What the fuck is wrong with the priorities of Quake port devs?
You can give me a million 8-bit dithering options and controller support but not the ability to read and write a text file?

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>>12899686
>Are you well?
Even Romero knows Sandy is going batshit insane with all this AI shitposting.

>>12899686
you know i heard about this and almost posted a link to the news about it but i figured no one would care

>>12900250
It's not really newsworthy. Just Sandy being a fool again.

>>12900251
not the thread news, the gaymen press

>>12900252
Oh, carry on then.

>>12900234
>corruption cards in quake
god if you make this i'll buy you a beer or a coffee

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Can someone reupload Mozza's demon tank and baby pinky demo wad, I cannot find a working upload of it, in return I have this higher res anon.
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/7692274/#q7695178

>>12899686
>This account is disputed by DOOM's director John Romero
>This account
Sick heads-up. I guess this is a general practice with these context thingies? Kinda unjustifiably shitty for a world's platform.

>>12900109
Nobody cares Joe, nobody cares.

>>12900264
>.t Joe

>>12900262
Spreading misinformation and confusing everyone is the name of the game, Anon. Has been for a long, long time.

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>>12900265
how dare you

>>12900271
Twitter has always been a trashy platform, cattle are the ones who welcome it. I'm sure that having an easy AI-surmised cheat-sheet instead of doing your own research is already the norm.

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>>12900283
i'm getting really pissed off my google news feed is full of xitter and meta threads these days

i'd rather just see the original source

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>>12899772
I think I'm getting more autistic as I get older, because the further something gets from the stock Doom theme, vanilla decorations take me out of it in a way that vanilla monsters don't.
I can't explain why. I just know that stock tree pisses me off. It doesn't matter what, just reskin it with something, anything.

>>12900287
Really? I always liked that tree. I wish there was more different but similar ones because it does look silly when there are several in the same spot.

>>12900115
I've noticed it doing this after the system's shut down with it still open, kind of assumed it got killed halfway through saving the shit.

I just periodically back up the file, saved me the second time in fuck knows how many years of using those launchers that it happened.

>>12900232
I sometimes use a controller while playing quake when I'm laying in bed. I will say that the gyro effect on the switch version is kinda goofy and I don't understand how there kids use it to any advantage. What do they know that I don't?

>>12900307
Some web article says that you "flick" the right stick for quick camera movements and for the actual precision use gyro instead. Doesn't sound all that crucial for the classic single-player shooters.

>>12900196
You should.
You can even see in the quote that Romero mentioned, he's talking about coop.
They didn't have a hype moment for deathmatch until the networking was in (a month before release).

"Once the code was working, we decided to test it. I sat at my computer and waited for the game to start. Suddenly, there was another player on my screen. It was Carmack. We started moving around the level, and then we started shooting at each other. It was an incredible feeling. The adrenaline was pumping, and we were yelling across the office. I shouted, 'This is deathmatch!' The team latched onto the name. It instantly articulated the sinister, survival vibe at the heart of DOOM. We were supposed to be testing the game for bugs, but we couldn't stop playing. We played for hours that first night, completely hooked on the thrill of hunting each other down. We knew right then that multiplayer was going to be a massive part of the game’s success."

Right then.

>>12899698
Didn't he buy a custom t-shirt with that on it from this year's Quakecon?

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>>12900326
He certainly did!

>>12899856
Well, if the pistol's the only reloading weapon a la Final Doomer+, could its reload sprite with the slide open and mag inserted have a bullet visible in the chamber? Last time my reload autism will come up I swear.

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>>12900328
Kek. How can Sandy ever recover?

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>>12900350 >>12900354 >>12900364 >>12900370 >>12900378 >>12903536 >>12905026

What am I in for?

>>12900347
Jaywalking.
*rimshot*

>>12900347
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FLRHejWAo8

>>12900325
https://soulsphere.org/mirrors/www.rome.ro/lee_killough/history/doompr3.shtml

It says *multiplayer* would be huge, I don't know why you're stuck on the"deathmatch" part or acting like you worked for the company during that time.

>>12900347
Unremarkable mediocrity.

>>12900347
Borderline passable maps with a whole lot of edgelording to compensate.

Shit trying way too hard so it just comes off as comical, and not in an intended way.

>>12900347
Levels of widely varying quality. But at least the hub map is interesting I guess.

>>12900070
>>12900075
Was in spec. Funny how they had to change the entire spawn system the second they got in. I say again: get out of my games, freaks

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>>12900439 >>12903909

Haunting Hollow is pretty good.

>>12899739
How long until Skelegant kits Hellbabe out with more and more features like what Pvt. Stone became?

>>12900410
Probably a month or two, she's definitely got plans for more alternate skins.

>>12900417
Terminator skin would be dope.

>>12900410
>>12900417
Tell her to make an alternate player sprite which is a flat 14 year old emo girl.

>>12900426
That's not oddly specific and concerning at all.

>>12900360
>It says *multiplayer* would be huge
It specifically says coop in the press release. That's what the multiplayer was made for. It wasn't until the networking was in that they found it was more fun to shoot eachother. Then they modified the levels for deathmatch - because it wasn't a consideration beforehand.

>why you're stuck on the "deathmatch" part
Because John's claim is they knew deathmatch would be huge 8 months before release.
There is no quote or evidence that they did, and quotes that point to the opposite, and they literally forgot about multiplayer until a month before release.

I'm not even saying that Sandy's position is totally correct, any conversations they had in the interim could've been about the initial MP concept, not DM.

hyperthymesia isn't real, or at the least isn't infallible.

>>12900432
I thought I was reasonably specific. She could work out the fine details herself.

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>>12900436
>>12900426
>Tell her to make an alternate player sprite which is a flat 14 year old emo girl

>>12900409
It's one of the best DBP. Morbid Autumn is great as well. Both are fitting for All Hallow's Eve.

>>12900437
>14
>Pedobear
TOO OLD

>>12900440
Plus, he wants real ones, I want a cute anime loli.

>>12900432
Anon managing to be both creepy and impractical since the alternate ones are all using the base mod's sprites and aren't going to work for that shit.

>>12900439
I don't think I've played that, so I'll do that after I've updated Stone.

>>12900445
I mean, you'd have to draw new player portrait sprites (and maybe hands on weapon sprites, if you really wanted), but I think it would be worth it for the art.

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>>12900465 >>12900704 >>12900729 >>12904058

Do people here play modern gzdoom games? Anyone tried divine frequency?

>>12900435
>It specifically says coop in the press release.
No. It doesn't. Show me.

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>>12900461
There's a bunch, but few seem all that good.

>>12900435
>Because John's claim is they knew deathmatch would be huge 8 months before release.
Setting aside that they knew from experience and observation that they were on to something really special, based on their creative talents and Carmack's brain, you really doubt that 1993 era John fucking Romero wouldn't actually gas himself up like that in advance regardless?

The man is his own hypeman and squad of cheerleaders, he gassed himself up for both big victories and big blunders. He's a dude who, as described by his friends at the time, "would blow up over winning a round of Pac-Man."

>>12900474
Doom was actually the first game id did where they hyped it like that. They didn't even really do it with Quake much. He did go balls out for Daikatana tho.
Not much since for some reason.

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>>12900417
>mod is named Hellbabe
>can't be a demon baddie
I know what I'm asking from SatanSanta in December.

>>12900483
>I know what I'm asking from SatanSanta in December.
Other people have suggested stuff on the itch page and gotten positive responses.

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>>12900474
like i was getting shit on for trying to talk about in the previous thread, john romero is the OG compfag

when i talked to him directly one on one, he told me that his goal with deathmatch was to design a sport from the very beginning where some people are really good, and some people get shit on, and he had aspirations of it being on pay per view matches

>>12900481
that's bullshit

carmack put his ferrari up for a prize at quakecon

they obviously cared about deathmatch

https://youtu.be/cAmNtOfpR8Q

>>12900493
I'm surprised nobody ever sold discs full of multiplayer demos.

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>>12900483
If you really want to be a demon baddie, High Noon Drifter is down the hall and to the left.

>>12900502
That was after release, I thought you meant to hype the game prior. They did once, when it was an rpg, but sorta slowed down when the game changed direction. There was the print ad with a dragon that got cut.

Some guy at Duke4 made multiplayer client playable in browser, no need to download or set up anything. Both DM and coop, works pretty good. Unfortunately there's no people to play with, we had some fun yesterday trying it out but now its dead empty. Worth a newspost?
https://dukezone.net/

Only just started it last night, but how's the Reelism 2 update been? Any new secrets added?

>>12900493
I seem to remember him saying something like that around the dwango days, when online mp really took off.

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>>12900581
>Circumstances dictated that a small set of content had to be replaced.
>Please understand.
What was this shit even about?

>>12900630
Probably some drama bullshit.

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>>12900581
>check the Reelism 2 expac trailer
>"Unironically great" is one of the blurbs
What kind of dipshit review is that, were you expecting garbage?

>>12900637
It involved the usual suspects, but I still have no idea what actually happened there.
Does anyone still got the 1.1 version? Not 1.1G, and not the ones before it.

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>>12900461
>Do people here play modern gzdoom games?
I played Ashes 2063 and Dead Man Walking, liked them well enough. Gave the sequel a shot and dropped it because I wanted a linear campaign, not the semi-open world thing it had going on.
Selaco and Supplice weren't retro or fun enough and they weren't made by people I wanted to support, so I refunded both.
Didn't care for the Shrine duology and Vomitoreum is kinda neat, I guess, but I didn't feel the need to go back to it.
Didn't care for Morhta.
Didn't care for Captain Wayne.
Hedon is...fine. I guess. When I see discussion of it here, it usually is earnest for at most 5 posts and the rest of it, if it continues to begin with, is about the protagonist's massive fucking dick. It's kinda telling that the game is so bland people find more to talk about an actual penis that never shows up in-game than the game itself.
Washington Prime is overwhelmingly fine. The FMVs and overall concept make it a bit more interesting but I see no reason to buy it.

Honestly, the biggest issue with all of these is they're either not fun or there's barely any retro charm to them. To me actually buying them comes down to me knowing who made them personally and wanting to support an aquaintance or friend, and as you might imagine most of my buds are very much content with staying modders instead of developers.
I imagine not being a normie or zoomer grants you full immunity to the YOU WON'T BELIEVE THIS IS DOOM factor all of these paid total conversions have and implicitly are built around.

>divine frequency
Might as well not be retro. I didn't particularly care for it when it was free, I don't think I'll care for it now that it's paid. It does look a mite more interesting than its peers, sorta reminds me of a RPG Maker XP game called Miserere.

>>12900630
Em Essex, the creator of Time Tripper, was originally part of Reelism 2's dev team. The Liminal Space map from that wad was adapted into a secret Reelism map, and Essex composed a remix of the title screen for the trailer and the Boss Rush mode. Then at some point, Kinsie and co. found out about SOMETHING Essex did (I don't know exactly what), who decided to replace all of their content. Liminal Space 2 was replaced with the Block Fort map from Reelism 1, the Boss Rush music was replaced with the normal title music, and they had to redo the entire trailer with the non-remixed music.

>>12900647
Would you have preferred it to be great, but ironically?

>>12900707
Thanks.

>>12900647
That particular streamer is known for playing absolute dogshit for content

>>12900704
Ashes is one that looks good, and everyone says it's really good, so I should try it out sometime.

>>12900715
>will eat shit for money
That's literally (and I'm using "literally" word literally, unironically here) every single streamer that ever existed in this universe.

>>12900704
>It's kinda telling that the game is so bland people find more to talk about an actual penis that never shows up in-game than the game itself.
its the opposite, everyone is obsessed over the dick while the game has none of that and is actually pretty good.
Its just the game is a bit more complex than the average fps so those who werent filtered by dick are filtered by its puzzles and level design

>>12900461
Not retro.
Ashes is great, I've played all but Hard Reset. Very good game.
Hedon is amazing, probably my favourite of the bunch.
I want to play Selaco and Supplice but I refuse to use Steam so I'm waiting for a GOG release that may never happen.
>divine frequency
Doesn't look that interesting to me. I don't mind large open maps, exploration and puzzles and they can be great if done right (see the cute blue lady game), but just the hud of this one makes me not interested. Too many numbers and icons and stuff that just make it look way more complicated than it needs to be for an FPS (if they're even wanting to make it an FPS instead of an RPG).
>>12900724
The puzzles and level design aren't even that confusing. Hexen's Seven Portals is much worse.

>>12900704
>Gave the sequel a shot and dropped it because I wanted a linear campaign, not the semi-open world thing it had going on.
you should try ashes hard reset, it's linear in the style of 2063. but afterglow & blackwater are by far the best, as for me hub-based design beats linear campaign every time.

>>12900548
That's pretty cool even though I'm not a duke guy. Can't play now unfortunately but I'd give it a go if I had time.

>>12900704
I refuse to pay for Supplice because of the cover but I will 100% pirate and play it once it leaves early access because I absolutely love Mechadon maps.

>>12900729
>The puzzles and level design aren't even that confusing. Hexen's Seven Portals is much worse.
exactly, but its enough to make average fps fan loose all interest

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>>12900707
It's not like it's even that good of a map, just a flat arena with boxes that periodically lower.

>>12900474
Lol you been drinking too much haterade nigga

>>12900729
>Hexen's Seven Portals is much worse.
Not like Seven Portals is even hard, it just takes having a functioning attention span, which I guess most people going in wanting fantasy Doom don't have much of.

>>12900747
My issue with it was realising the switches on the upper floor of Guardian of Steel moved some walls in the lower floor. Everything else was fine.
I also find it to be the most obsuse of Hexen's hub, all of the others being much more straightforward and yet that's the one they put first.

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>>12900762 >>12900780 >>12900795

>Hexen filters 60 IQ brainlets exhibit #24558754001

>>12900717
2063 at least is cool. People say the rest of the series is good to, but I stopped at the second one for reasons already mentioned.

>>12900724
I played the first game and that's the only thing I can confidently say I remember about it, as well as the weapons feeling like hot garbage.
I don't even remember any puzzle in particular.

>>12900730
Will keep it in mind.

>>12900737
I only ever played the first map of Counterattack. It's pretty good and a good showcase for what you can do with stock textures, but I can't say I look forward to playing the rest of the WAD since his thing is making big maps that (usually) don't feel grueling. Still, I'm still burned out by shit like Doom 2 in City Only and don't want to test my luck.

>>12900752
>My issue with it was realising the switches on the upper floor of Guardian of Steel moved some walls in the lower floor.
I figured that from the noise, then the next thing was seeing if the opposite did something different since the map's got a symmetry thing going on.

>>12900754
There are people out there getting filted by Hedon.

>>12900747
Doom stopped being a game that requires a functioning attention span the moment Alien Vendetta got released and it swept Eternal under the carpet forever.
Arguably when Final Doom was released. TNT vs Plutonia was the moment when the Doom's mapping future was decided.

>>12900760
>I figured that from the noise
NTA, but that also gets marred by the fact that the exact same noise is used for random ambience and/or it gets drowned out by a different ambient noise. Honestly, Guardian of Steel should not have any ambient noise at all, or at least noises that don't resemble the one you're supposed to be listening for.

>>12900745
How am I hating?

>>12900754
I once did a test hub for an idea I had of leveraging my AGS experience to do a less hand-holding Hexen wad, only two people out of like twenty actually completed it. Most were defeated by the most basic shove gears inside a clocktower to fix it puzzle.

>>12900780
Do you still have it, by any chance?

>>12900782
Lost it when a drive died a couple years ago, I've had fuck all luck in finding it online since.

It was called The Clocktower of Cronos because I'm shit at names.

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>>12900754
>>12900747
What I don't like about Hexen is that I feel it doesn't adequately deliver on either first person action, nor really puzzling and questing, and they aren't combined well.
If you told me there was a game which mixed the fast paced action of Duke Nukem 3D or Blood, but then with the puzzle solving and character interaction of Indiana Jones & Fate Of Atlantis, that would sound absolutely awesome to me. Obviously, Hexen is nothing of the sort.

Some people do find enjoyment in Hexen, and fair enough, subjectivity and all that, but I always just wished it leaned more towards Heretic.

Actually, what I REALLY wish it was more like is Strife, that's a game I actually really like a lot, and that game doesn't even really have much to speak of in terms of puzzling at all, but it has fun shooting action and an enjoyable presentation and setting, it feels lively and colorful.
Strife also has a bunch of problems in its design, but I like it anyway.

>>12900795
Hexen could do with some proper puzzles but judging by how hard it filters people with vanilla, I'm not sure it'd be well received.

These days I'd be tempted to have something along the lines of Rekkr's E2M9, which I fucking loved but I'd put money on it having gotten Revae a bunch of complaints.

>>12900442
How many /vr/ things (Doom or otherwise) even have them?

>>12900832
One of my Doom dreams has been to do a deep dive into the most creative puzzle wads, and replay some non-Doom games like Lufia II and Brainlord, and use everything I learn to give Hexen a wad to be proud of.
On a non-/vr/ note, I recently played CrossCode, and I got the feeling that style of timing and reaction-based puzzle would be perfectly suited to the Doom engine as well.

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>>12900852
does SW count?

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>>12900852
There's a lot in Japanese games, some which made it over to the west, most which didn't. There's some Touhou and Cardcaptor Sakura games which are retro, and I think maybe Idolm@ster also.

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>>12900854
>CrossCode
Bouncing shots into switch puzzles might be cool, there was a level that did that in the Crystal Maze wad.

>>12900832
>Rekkr's E2M9
You can't just put a full-blown Myst fuckyou puzzle in a shooter game and expect people to like it. Some did, but most were rightfully irritated.
It's one thing when the whole game is about puzzles and that's your whole gameplay, and the other when the game offers you a good FPS gameplay, and most of the game is about shooting, and then it just takes all of it away from you, and expecs you to do something else, something that has absolutely nothing in common (emphasis on this part) with what you did for a dozen(s) hours before that. There's a world of difference between a puzzle in a puzzle game and a puzzle in an action game. I'm not saying it should be dumb, I'm saying there's a fuckhuge middle ground.

>>12900234
tangentially related but i'm pretty sure older versions of darkplaces didn't check what you were actually saving to so if you did in map trickery to trigger a console command to save the game but named it something not a savegame you could purposefully overwrite game files in the game directory

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>>12900876
>Bouncing shots into switch puzzles might be cool
there's a duke map with a puzzle like that
https://msdn.duke4.net/hotlastpissedtime.php

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>>12900880
I don't think it's any more or less of a fuck you to the player than the first secret map, at most he could have done what Headless Chicken did with it's big ass secret map.

>>12900859
Those aren't lolis so no.
>>12900867
Misspoke, meant more /vr/ shooters and their associated mods. There's Rady's Class and Demonsteele, but what else?

>>12900897
I don't agree with you at all because the first secret map is still about shooting things.
I would have no complaints if the whole E2 had puzzles here and there, and then the secret map was all these puzzles cranked up to eleven, and you had to apply all your gained knowledge to solve the final secret puzzle. But that's obviously too much efforts (non-derogatory, with all my respect to Revae, I really believe it's very difficult to pull out), that's why you don't normally do that in shooter games. Just slapping a single complicated puzzle onto a not-puzzle game is not hard except it's vanilla Doom actions, and is not something that most players will/can appreciate.

>>12900897
>The safe word is "idclev16" ;)
> ;)
:^)

>>12900945
This does remind me of Epic 2 and its repeated use of birds and scarabs as motifs. It's not this huge thing, but it does stay in play for the entire megawad (but not necessarily for every map).
>scarabs mark secrets and goodies
>birds mark ambushes and monster closets

As a whole though, Epic 2 does have a fair bit of puzzles to it and it's quite well-regarded since it introduces them from the first map and keeps them in play. I can't think of any megawad, solo or not, which is so consistent AND enjoyable when it comes to these things.

>>12900772
I misinterpreted your post. I was thinking that you have to be your own cheerleader and although it's nice when someone else is, you can't count on other people to support you. It comes from WITHIN.

>>12900880
It's a secret level. All the secret levels are gimmicks.
It was hit or miss with people though. And you don't have to do the puzzles , you can brute force it.

>>12900892
But why would anyone want to do that? I don't think I understand.

>>12900997
It's good and bad with Romero tbf, there's many times when he was clearly 100% right to cheer himself (and the other guys) on, like when he saw the Dangerous Dave sidescroller demo, and because he was a serious programmer he actually understood the weight of what Carmack had pulled off and rightfully wanted them all to aim for the stars with it.

It wasn't all just heated Dai-Katana moments, and in comparison he feels more humble and grown up these days, knowing to restrain himself.

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>>12901186

Just beat The Given today. Great wad if you like big maps with lots of details, puzzles and no monsters (literally 0 monsters). All 4 puzzles were fun, but the last one was so fucking obscure that I really hated it. Can't believe it took me that long, but it was enjoyable overall, so I give it a 3 out of 5.

Think I'm gonna finish Back to Saturn X now, which I left off at level 31. Is it me or is it not as easy as I thought?

>>12899772
Played it on UV with pistol starts on every map. The first two maps are pretty open with a couple of arena fights here and there. The last two are full-on monster arenas, full of cacos, hell knights and cyberdemons. Kinda hard, but gets easy once you figure out the strategy. Gets a bit tiring towards the end, but the mappack is short (4 levels + 1 hub) so it doesn't drag on for too long. I'd recommend it.

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>>12900928
are you sure? this one looks like a kid

>>12901027
That really is the key, is if someone is a complete d-bag but recognizes the err of their ways and changes for the better. I was a complete fucking retarded asshole until I turned about 26 years old. I cringe at the man I used to be.

>>12900256
>god if you make this i'll buy you a beer or a coffee
It'll probably be exclusive to vkQuake (and QSS I guess) and take a long time to flesh out to a meaningful extent, but I'm hoping once there's a framework in place that others will contribute.
>>12900892
I feel like DarkPlaces (and FTE nowadays) did a lot to discourage other ports from adopting advanced features due to the sheer amount of jank and user-unfriendliness they present. You don't want to copy homework from the guy pissing and shitting himself constantly, even if he has an A in the class.

>>12900462
>read for me
okay!
>Multiple Players
>This feature, added to the 3-D realism, makes DOOM
a very powerful cooperative game and its release a landmark
event in the software industry.
>powerful cooperative
>cooperative

The only time it mentions a vs mode it's talking about a competitive mode against the demons.

>>12900928
That one witch player class in BYOC maybe?

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>>12901119
I missed that one, but YOU can bite it.

>>12901040
>159:09:88
Lol did you walk away from the computer? Not flinging shit.

>>12900880
I can't help but want to mention the stupid floaty islands in the middle of a somewhat puzzle towards the end of Dawn of the Machine. That shit was fuckin stupid and aggravating as hell.

>>12901179
More coop!

>>12901186
Meth and doom is a helluva drug.

>>12901179
>See your friends bite it!
>Cause your friends to bite it!
>Bite it yourself!
>And if you won't bite it, there are plenty of demonic denizens to bite it for you!
W-what is everyone biting?

>>12900078
Could you lend me that orc skeleton dancing gif ?

>>12901214
Probably something phallic.

>>12901203
Causing your friend to "bite it" does not sound very cooperative. You must have shitty friends, and I'm sorry for that.

>>12901232
It's important to get consent before any kind of friend-biting action.

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>>12901186
It's 159 minutes, which is 2 hrs and 39 mins or so. If you still think that's a lot, well yeah, some of the puzzles are pretty cryptic.

>>12901232
Friendly fire my homie. Plus competitive coop might incentivize it.
Also at the time of this release, the original idea was more tactical than the game ended up. So causing your friends to bite it would just as easily mean "fucking up".

For a document that never mentions any explicit player vs player combat as a game mode, this isn't exactly indicative of much.

>>12899686
What if there were a xitter post of Revae claiming he actually invented deathmatch arenas in each single-player map, how would Romero respond without sounding mad ?

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>>12901165
Gammu.

>>12901295
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aTc7uqFRTDI

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>>12901302
>Hi Revae, I hope you're doing well.
>I humbly invite you to drink from my knob.

>>12899757
Just recently switched to wireless and I don't think I'll go back. Mouse is ROG Strix Impact 3, awesome budget mouse imho, even has hotswap main switch sockets (so it's possible to change switches without soldering). Plus it runs on batteries, so no probs with ageing accu I guess. Bought it for 47 euros Asus Amazon shop but if you wait for black weeks it should be cheaper even.

>>12901302
Probably pull the photographic memory card out as hard as he can.

>>12901308
3.0 when

sandy wonered
romero bitchened

>>12901289
Wow really cool map!

>>12901325
Interesting. I'm currently running this one. I saved it from the trashcan at work. I don't use any of the extra buttons but maybe I should idk. I'm thinking for Quake to switch between rocket launcher and nailgun because of those damn shamblers. I prefer the regular nailgun to the super nailgun because I feel I can conserve ammo better.

>>12901354
>I prefer the regular nailgun to the super nailgun because I feel I can conserve ammo better.
I do that, always trying to save nails for the heavy dudes and using single sg for sniping and wearing down enemies as much as possible (basically I play like playing Thief unless there's no other way.) But generally it's really a good idea to have binds for <every> weapon.

Mice:
-gaming grade sensor, no office stuff with weird powersaving, atleast PAW 3311 sensor I'd say
- polling rate of 1000 hz is sufficient but mandatory
- avoid installing manufacturer software, for DPI most mice have an extra switch and polling rate can be adjusted via HIDUSBF software if there's no other way

>>12901302
Wouldn't it be the other way around?

So I don't understand the point of "grid size" in trenchbroom. Is it mostly for adding more vertices on floors and ground or what am I really doing by setting it smaller and is there a standard "one size fits all" thing I should do?

>>12901446
You make it smaller to make smaller things, and bigger to make bigger things. I don't see how this could be confusing.

Afterglow is kinda fake non linear like Strife. You have choices occasionally about what order to do things but the choice is more do i go to the obvious ez or harder stage first. And then there will be a massive level after both where you finish most of the side quests. I just think recoiling off the game for two hub maps with 4 maps connected to them to be a little strange. Especially in light of Arcane Dimensions or Alkaline etc

Also the ip banning range thing is nuts.

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>>12901302
>Hello Revae, I hope you fucking die!
>This statement is incorrect. your wad doesn't have FULLY, TOTALLY DIFFERENT levels, I'm talking about deathmatch levels, per level, dude! SIGIL did it first!
>is it even an unofficially canonical fifth episode to DOOM bro? I don't fucking think so, kneel and drink my knob

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>>12901217
>lend
Is you gonna give it back? But seriously, this is the exact gif I used, but you'll notice there's heavy watermarking. I looked around for a better version but had no success.

>>12901579
Always was your bro's bones before giving them back.

>>12901579
That's going in my skeleton folder.

>>12901465
Ok, thanks. I am over-thinking things. So if I were to construct say a couch or a table with the brushes I would set it smaller, and for the buildings and walls and shit I should set it bigger?

>>12901587
Yeah, pretty much.
You'll just want to make sure small stuff is grouped as a func_detail entity so VIS doesn't take six gorillion years.
And if you haven't watched Dumptruck's mapping tutorials yet you really should. They explain everything in detail.

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>>12901654 >>12901774 >>12901781

>>12899757
mouse
1- shotgun (defaults to supershot like vanilla)
2- fire
3 press- fist
3 scrldwn- back
3 scrlup- forward
4- none
5 downpress- open
5 uppress- zoom fov
8- chaingun
7- pistol
6- BFG
keyboard
wads - normal
shift- run
ctrl- best weapon chooses (plasma or supershot)
q,e- plasma
alt- open
r- map
space- rocket

i'm surprised so many people use wireless mice. i guess they're the wave the future. i was really reluctant to move on from ball mice too. then 1st generate wireless mice were basically unusuable

i have a rival 3 wireless but after a few years i decided i hate the secondary middle button, i only ever click it by accident, so i was looking into get a wired mouse+bungee, but it seems like even pro gamers use wireless mice now

i'll pick out some wireless mouse that's larger in the future, i wish they would make a wireless version of the razer diamondback (the most perfect flawless mouse ever for me in terms of shape)

>>12901636
that's cool

in quake my config has switch+fire script on mouse3 for my railgun (space for lightning gun)

i used to use thumb button for the railgun quick switch script and mouse3 for the lightning gun but i wasn't use the space key for anything and it's always my alt-fire key

for doom maybe i should bind my thumb buttons to quicksave i never use them for anything

>>12901643
I dont use them they are probably fine but my autism leads me to use as little wifi stuff as possible, it it can be wired Ill wire it

>>12901660
bluetooth, you know what I mean

>>12901664
they can do both on the gaming models

>>12899997
Same as you. ZDL just werks.

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>>12899997
off by 2

>>12901593
I only watched half of the first one and then I started mapping. I'm sorry, I'll go watch his videos.

>>12901545
>Hello Revae, I hope you fucking die!
I wish people would stop telling me that!

>>12899997
I sat on ZDL for ages but I've switched to DoomLauncher because I got too lazy to sort my doom folder.
So now I just use the tags in the launcher to sort stuff.

>>12901636
If anyone considers getting this pretty ok, you should turn off the mouse's lights insanely blinding lights, and that means downloading proprietary software or something else and turning the lights off from there. You don't need the software running as it's stay in memory or something like that..
I play with relaxed crab hand style, with my palm not touching the mouse but really close. The middle mouse press is really stiff so you have to use your index finger because you'll struggle with your middle finger, but it's no problem but more importantly feels awesome. The pistol and chaingun feel really good-- your thumb tip is on the pistol and the inside of your thumb is on your chaingun, and you'll never accidently hit one not the other. Binding "open" on the mouse there is kinda strange beast, with you reaching your thumb up to flick it down. If you're panicking you just stick with a keyboard open key because you will flick so hard you flip your mouse damn near over. The BFG requires quite the reach with your thumb and bringing the mouse down into your palm touching your... thenar eminence... with it and it feels like a tremendous thing to and suits the bfg well.

>>12901636
forgot the add that the "open" and "fov zoom" key are one in the same and stiff as fuck so its definitely not for everyone. You'd probably be better off assigning it to map or something.

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>>12901797

when i used windows i just made icons with command line arguments

not sure how it will work on a gabecube anyone in this thread have one

>>12901793
I thought cube wasnt released yet

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>>12901810 >>12902172 >>12902507 >>12902636

>>12898479
Absolutely love this little creature. Tell your friend that it is perfect.

>>12901807
Those dorky bastards look so cute and adorable.

>>12901746
There's a "/wadsup" leftover since the website was called clovr https://wadsup.xyz/wadsup/doku.php?id=start, in case you haven't noticed
When are you bringing the old domain's name back? I liked 4chan connection even if I didn't visit the servers.

>>12901797
it's been out for a while

what's not out is drivers for steamos for anyone but amd. I'm waiting to see if competitors making their own steamos boxes can drive prices down. i could get a lower end model.

>>12901746
>Hello Revae, I hope you fucking die!
Wait, wtf. My mind blanked out this line with the one from memory "you doing well"

>>12901746
Hello Revae, I hope you celibately live!

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>>12902262 >>12902264

It's time for Wednesday Night Wipeout!
Come play some SRB2Kart!

How to join:
Download version 1.6 of the game: https://github.com/STJr/Kart-Public/releases/download/v1.6/srb2kart-v16-Installer.exe
Get the custom client we use: https://codeberg.org/NepDisk/srb2k-neptune/releases/tag/Neptune2.5.1
Get the mods either automatically in-game or at: https://macgu.fun/repo/srb2kart/
Connect to macgu.fun (either use connect in console or "specify ipv4 address" under Multiplayer)

>I HAVE TO BITCH FAST AND TEXT CHAT TOO SLOW
We also have a Mumble server!
Address: 51.161.34.159
Port: default
Password: endoom

>I heard this game supports proximity chat, are we using that?
No.

Pro tips: https://pastebin.com/YV6biqxq
(This is out of date and written for a different server, but it still has a lot of useful information.)

>>12901898
>proper third person Unreal OTS gameplay outside of Project Gryphon
Gimme

>>12901912
if I'm spending this much damn time fixing the animations and running full hair physics and porting a sick Varia Suit model, I might as well let the player see it

>>12901898
So from the looks of things, you have a different weapon replacing the vanilla dispersion pistol, and then you can use the rest of the Unreal arsenal, along with the power suit and its own unique weapons?
If so, damn.

Welp I'm setting up a LAN party for the friday after Thanksgiving. I got my fteqw server setup but I'm also gonna setup Zandronum so we can play DOOM too. I'm planning on Arcane Dimensions, Alkaline, Underdark Overbright, Rubicon 2 for Quake and Phelgethon, Sunlust, and Back to Saturn X for DOOM. Any tips or cautions I should be aware of? I wanna do co-op instead of death match and we're gonna have at least 5 people. All computers are running loonix.