This is what Japanese people think of Brazilians
>>12895016i mean look at the brasilians on 4chans and readdit... im more surprised they didn't make a taco-flinging mexican in a pancho.
>>12895019They did.
>>12895037Most indigenous Mexicans look or dress nothing like that, save maybe a few northern tribes like the Yaquis. SF4's El Fuerte is more of a stereotype if anything.
>>12895016I'm a white American and I think this too.
I'm br and loved him as a kid, my older brothers hated when I used throws Ironically I find him much cooler than Sean, but to be fair most SF3 characters are ugly
Based SNK
>>12895016Go back to /pol/ with your racebaiting garbage.
>>12895059ON DA GWEEEN
I'm yuro portuguese and we also hate brazilians. It's all justified.
>>12895039Doesn't matter. This is what Japanese people think of Mexicans. Deal with it.
>>12895067Brazilian isn't a race. Go back to /pol/ with your race baiting garbage, we're trying to talk about game characters here.
>>12895016Are there any female Brazilians in Street Fighter?
>>12895106Yeah, Laura
>>12895067>not posting the female brazilian
>>12895109>female
Brazil actually has the second largest Japanese population in the world. Something like 2 million people of Japanese descent.
>>12895118
>>12895118They're not Japanese, they're Brazilian.
>>12895125I know. Hence why I wrote Japanese descent.
>>12895117its n-not just an alternate c-costume...
This is what catgirls think of Brazilians.
>>12895118I met a Japanese descent Brazilian girl once in Australia. Even though she was full Japanese you could tell by the posture of her face that she was Brazilian, and her body and the way she thought and dressed. Just like a 89 IQ macaco. But I am interested in Brazil lately even though it's low IQ. I want to go there someday
>>12895176>Even though she was full Japanese you could tell by the posture of her face that she was Brazilian?
>>12895182The way her mouth was, even when not talking
>>12895016>>12895067>>12895104Blanka isn't Brazilian, you fucking retards, he's American. His name is fucking Jimmy. He's one of Charlie and Guile's military buddies who crashes in Brazil and turns into a mutant. /pol/ really is the stupidest place anywhere
>>12895176You should visit the favelas of Bahia and make random hand gestures, it will be a lot of fun.
>>12895182VAIIII CORINTHIANSSSSSSSSSS>>12895198Ó PAI AQUI É BAHIA, TÓME! TÁ LIGADO? RESPEITÊ MEU BAHIA
Blanka looks like a mascot for a heavy metal band.
>>12895108not retro
>>12895215Aqui é Piauí, oxenti !!!
>>12895016Dont worry huefag. The rest of the world know the truth.
>>12895172>Brazilian and AmericanUltimate mutts combo
>>12895108dios mios
>>12895192>he's AmericanVery based and dixiepilled!https://x.com/ampol_moment/status/1520069184947896324
>>12895118Im really surprised there hasn't been a Brazil region in Pokemon yet.
>>12895192What kind of mother gives their son an anklet?
>>12895054>tfw japan makes a better captain america than americans
>>12895067>>12895109You didn't actually win
>>12895468No.
>>12895126>Brazil actually has the second largest Japanese population in the worldYou said they were Japanese
>>12895804They are Japanese ethnically. I clarified my usage of the word Japanese in the second sentence. You don't need to make this weird, anon. Japanese Brazilians will casually call themselves Japanese too. They know they're Brazilian and they don't mean they're citizens of Japan.
>>12895192I wonder what percentage of the people on this board actually thought Blanka was native to Brazil.
>>12895192>>12895815Blanka was dropped there in Brazil as a baby/small child. He's not native, but the stuff about being Charlie and Guile's military buddy is from the movie.
Charlie=Carlos Blanka
>>12895102>>12895037He's always canonically been a native American, not a Mexican or an indigenous MexicanHis lore is that he had to run to Mexico when his tribe's land was taken (probably by Shadowloo/Bison but I don't remember)You're probably one of those idiots who also thought Robert Garcia was Mexican (he's Italian)
>>12895810>They are Japanese ethnicallyNo they're not. Ethnicity is your culture, not your race. They're ethnically Brazilian.
>>12897580Your mom is Mexican
>>12895125>>12895804>>12897636
>>12897964I'm just stating facts
>>12895016if i met a brazillian and he looked like this, then as long as he didn't eat my face i'd say he was the baddest dude i knew.
>>12897636>Ethnicity is what some child on the internet says it islol. no.
>>12897580Yeah it's not like his stage is in Mexico and the fucking flag doesn't show on the character select screen. It's all about some nonsense that was never specified and you might have just made up.
>>12897636Ethnic is a way to refer to a subculture. People with the same culture are ethnic, so are common ancestry, nationality, language, religion, etc. You can you whatever scope you want, it's just a generic word for human subculture. You can say racial Japanese, nationally Brazilian are the same ethnicity as racial Japanese, nationally Japanese or you can say they're different ethnically. Both are totally valid depending on the scope you want to use. This board is ethnically retro, weird usage but technically valid. It's a very generic word.
>>12895058>most SF3 characters are uglywtf, they almost all look cool as hell. are you talking about in terms of wanting to fuck them or something?
>>12898101Japanese isn't a race. It's an ethnicity and a nationality. The race of Japanese people is Asian. "Japanese" people in Brazil are ethnically Brazilian, hold Brazilian nationality, and are racially Asian. They're not Japanese by any definition.>>12898087Buy a dictionary.
>>12898187>are you talking about in terms of wanting to fuck them or something?Would it be a problem if he was? The only fuckable characters in the game are Chun Li and Ibuki, but I'd rather have Sakura and Cammy. Street Fighter Zero 3 is the real Street Fighter 3.
>>12898210>The race of Japanese people is Asian.Racial definitions are somewhat arbitrary and are generally not objective or rigorous. You lack the authority to say this>They're not Japanese by any definition.Oh so if a Japanese family and a Korean family moved from their countries to Brazil four generations ago, and now their two groups of culturally Brazilian descendants suddenly want to work and/or live in Japan, they will face the same legal barriers? The Japanese government will define the two groups in exactly the same way, since it is impossible to come up with ANY definition that significantly distinguishes them? Or could it instead be that you are retarded
>>12898239The Japanese government considers them Brazilian and when they do attempt to come to Japan everyone considers them Brazilian and then they retreat into a little Brazilian bubble community.Also what does this have to do with Street Fighter? Go back to /int/
>>12895059>no woodstigger
>>12898239>now their two groups of culturally Brazilian descendants suddenly want to work and/or live in Japan, they will face the same legal barriers? The Japanese government will define the two groups in exactly the same way, since it is impossible to come up with ANY definition that significantly distinguishes them?Korea has a special visa for overseas people of korean descent. you have to prove it though. and japan already tried mass importing brazilians of japanese descent under Abe, and it was a complete disaster. they backtracked on it and never brought them back
>>12898210>Buy a dictionary.So are you saying you're wrong and retarded because you can't afford a dictionary?
>>12895120>Place, Brasil:/>Japon, Buraziru:O
>>12895016its not THAT far off
>>12898289>Also what does this have to do with Street Fighter? Go back to /int/Hey now, the only reason people keep talking about it is because one guy stubbornly refuses to allow the word Japanese when talking about Japanese Brazilians, despite it being common usage.As far as a Street Fighter connection, "people with Japanese ancestry" having an influence on Brazil and its culture helps explain why it's sensible that Sean and Laura were given the last name Matsuda, and why Laura practices "Matsuda Jiu-Jitsu" (obviously inspired by Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu).
>>12895192A lot of idiots came here to argue without knowing this.
>>12899027He got it wrong though, partially. Blanka is an American named Jimmy, but he was in Brazil since a plane crash when he was little. He doesn't have any connection to the military or Guile and Charlie before crashing, he wasn't anyone special at that point. In the 90s live action movie they combined Blanka with Charlie.
>>12898808No I'm saying you're wrong and retarded and you should buy a dictionary because you clearly don't know what ethnicity is.>>12898868Because they're not Japanese. Their ancestors were Japanese.
>>12899348>Because they're not Japanese. Their ancestors were Japanese.The word "Japanese" is polysemous because its meaning shifts depending on whether it's used in a national, linguistic, cultural, or ethnic context. It's already been clarified for you that the usage in this thread refers to the "ancestors were Japanese" meaning. Nobody is disagreeing on the substance of it. I assume you're just being stubborn about word usage because it's your pet peeve or something. If you have a problem with it, you can take it up with Japanese-Brazilians for referring to themselves that way. I doubt you'd go to Chinatowns around the world just to tell the people there "you aren't Chinese, your ancestors were Chinese!" I assure you they already know that when calling themselves Chinese.
>>12899405>reaching with a reddit post written by a larping kikevideo games
>>12899415Could post examples for days https://www.si.com/soccer/2014/06/17/ap-soc-wcup-japanese-brazilians>''Since we were kids we were taught you're not just Brazilian, you're Japanese as well,'' says William Takahiro, the elder brother. But he leaves no doubt about where his loyalties lie. With both Japan and Brazil in the World Cup: ''I want Brazil to win.''
>>12899419>random mutt monkey identifies as a japanesetrannies are heckin based and valid, you changed my mind
>>12899405We using reddit posts as sources now? Unironically go kill yourself. And having Japanese ancestors doesn't make you Japanese. If a Japanese person moves arbroad and has a kid we don't call the kid Japanese, we call them 日系 and we see them as being of that country and they're not considered Japanese. Any generations beyond that we just call them whatever country they settled in.And what the hell does this have to do with Street Fighter???
>>12899435>We using reddit posts as sources now? Unironically go kill yourself.See >>12899419 and keep coping.>And having Japanese ancestors doesn't make you JapaneseIt does in one sense of the word, it doesn't in another sense of the word. I'm well aware of the word Nikkei as well. You seem to struggle with how language works, so I'm trying to educate you.>And what the hell does this have to do with Street Fighter???Not much, but that isn't stopping you from talking about it either.
>>12899443>It does in one sense of the wordNo it doesn't. Ethnicity is culture, not genetics.
>>12899434Ethnicity isn't determined by genetics alone, but that doesn't mean ancestry is irrelevant to ethnicity. Ethnic identity can involve culture, shared history, ancestry, and descent. Having Japanese ancestors doesn't automatically make someone Japanese in every sense, but it can be relevant to their Japanese ethnic heritage.Go on, tell Takahiro here that there's nothing Japanese about him.
>>12899457>>12899448For (You)
>>12899457There's tons of sumo wrestlers who aren't Japanese. A bunch of them are Mongolian.
>>12899508Of course.
>>12899510So having some Japanese ancestors and doing sumo doesn't make you Japanese.
>>12895037Looks more like someone from Arizona
>>12899551>doesn't make you JapaneseIn what sense of the word Japanese? Doing sumo doesn't make him Japanese, but him having Japanese ancestors made him a Japanese Brazilian, or someone of Japanese descent. A Nikkei. Depending on the context, people of Japanese descent may also describe themselves simply as Japanese without claiming Japanese citizenship.Japanese nationality, Japanese ancestry, and Japanese cultural heritage are distinct things. Which one are you arguing he lacks? Because saying that his ancestry doesn't make him a Japanese citizen is true but irrelevant if he's talking about his ethnicity or heritage.The underlying issue is that you seem to be treating one meaning of "Japanese" as the only legitimate meaning. Language doesn't work that way.
>>12898214>He wouldn't fuck ElenaLow test.
Well, at least this was a different type of derailment.
>>12899348>everyone is wrong except me>especially the dictionary i can't afford to buyKeep digging that hole little zoomie
>>12899653>In what sense of the word Japanese?Nationality: he doesn't hold Japanese nationality.Ethnicity: he's ethnically whatever country he's from. He's not from Japan.Race: Japanese isn't a race. Also race isn't real.>Because saying that his ancestry doesn't make him a Japanese citizen is true but irrelevant if he's talking about his ethnicity or heritageHave you ever seen that episode of The Sopranos where they go to Italy and Pauly is all excited to reunite with his people and he sits at the cafe all disappointed? Having ancestors from Japan (or in the case of the Sopranos, Italy) doesn't make you ethnically Japanese.>>12899703It's an American thing. Americans think ethnicity is something like race.
>>12899867Nobody claimed he holds Japanese citizenship or that "Japanese" is a biological race. But Japanese heritage and Japanese descent are real. You disregarded that, despite people explicitly saying that is what they're talking about.>Ethnicity: he's ethnically whatever country he's from. He's not from Japan.You're treating ethnicity as interchangeable with country of origin. But countries can contain multiple ethnic groups, and ethnic groups can span multiple countries. "He's not from Japan" doesn't settle his ethnicity.I'm not denying cultural differences. The Sopranos example (great episode) shows cultural differences between Italians and Italian Americans. But that doesn't make ancestry irrelevant to ethnic identity. Their Italian heritage is still a commonality between the characters that's relevant to them and their community. Being "Italian" in the Italian American sense is meaningful to them, even if they're ultimately more American than anything.>It's an American thingHere's the UK:https://www.ons.gov.uk/methodology/classificationsandstandards/measuringequality/ethnicgroupnationalidentityandreligion>Ethnic group is also very diverse, encompassing common ancestry and elements of culture, identity, religion, language and physical appearance.Germany:https://www.bpb.de/themen/kriege-konflikte/dossier-kriege-konflikte/504249/ethnie-ethnische-gruppe/>"gemeinsamer Abstammung, Herkunft, Geschichte, Kultur">"common descent, origins, history, culture."Japan:https://www2.dokkyo.ac.jp/less0036/8.htm>"共通の出自観" >"a shared understanding of origins/descent"Netherlands>"afkomstverwantschap, een gedeelde geschiedenis, taal, godsdienst en/of cultuur">"kinship through descent, a shared history, language, religion and/or culture"https://zoek.officielebekendmakingen.nl/kst-31268-45.htmlClearly, including ancestry in ethnic identity isn't exclusively American.
>>12899912>or that "Japanese" is a biological raceEither you or somebody else but it was literally claimed in this thread.>But Japanese heritage and Japanese descent are real. You disregarded that, despite people explicitly saying that is what they're talking aboutI have said to you multiple times: we don't consider them Japanese. Ethnic groups are social groups, if the social group doesn't consider your class to be part of the group then you're not part of that ethnic group. Japanese people don't consider them to be Japanese, regardless of who their ancestors are, so they're not Japanese. As I said earlier we don't even consider 日系 to be Japanese.>You're treating ethnicity as interchangeable with country of origin. But countries can contain multiple ethnic groups, and ethnic groups can span multiple countries.You're not wrong. But also no I'm not, you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. Rules for entry into an ethnic group vary from group to group. Sometimes it's purely social, sometimes there's a genetic requirement like that war in Africa where they killed people for having a certain eye color. It varies. But in the case of Japan, to be ethnically Japanese you have to be a Japanese national and you have to be culturally Japanese. We don't consider anyone else to be Japanese.For us, "Japanese" Brazilians are no different than "Japanese" Americans. Yes their ancestors are from Japan but they're not culturally Japanese. You cannot be culturally Japanese unless you have spend a significant portion of your life in Japan and follow the culture, speak the language fluently, etc. But you're talking about groups of people who haven't been to Japan, don't speak our language, and don't follow our culture.We have a Brazilian guy at my work. He even has a Japanese last name. Nobody considers him Japanese. We call him by his first name and never use his last name because we're uncomfortable with it.
>>128999122/2>But that doesn't make ancestry irrelevant to ethnic identity. Their Italian heritage is still a commonality between the characters that's relevant to them and their community. Being "Italian" in the Italian American sense is meaningful to them, even if they're ultimately more American than anything.You're getting closer to my point here. Their heritage is a defining part of their ethnicity, but they are of an ethnic group specific to their country. They are not of the ethnic group that their ancestors were.Pauly is an ethnicity that is specific to America. He's not Italian. Nobody in Italy would consider him to be one of them. And by that same measure, "Japanese" Brazilians are an ethnicity specific to Brazil. You might call them Japanese but they're not. We don't consider them to be part of us. They are their own thing.
>>12900052Are you really japanese or just larping?
>>12900064You guys always accuse me of larping but I'm Japanese.
>>12900052>>12900058>Their heritage is a defining part of their ethnicity> is an ethnicity that is specific to America/Brazil>They are their own thing.Then we agree that ancestry and heritage can be relevant to ethnicity. I also agree that Japanese Brazilians have a distinct diaspora identity. I've never claimed they're culturally identical to people raised in Japan, or that they’re necessarily accepted as Japanese within Japan."Japanese Brazilians have a distinct identity and are considered foreigners in Japan" is compatible with everything I've been saying. "Therefore they aren't Japanese by any definition" is the part that doesn't follow. Their distinct identity doesn't erase the ancestry-based meaning I specified from the beginning.>He's not Italian.He's Italian in the Italian American sense of the word, where it refers to Italian heritage. And you've already agreed that heritage is part of their ethnicity. That doesn't imply he's culturally identical to someone raised in Italy, or that Italians in Italy accept him as Italian. Likewise, I've explicitly been using "Japanese" in the heritage-based sense. You don't have to consider them Japanese yourself, but that doesn't mean everyone else is using the word wrong. There isn't one universal definition of the word Japanese, so you and your coworkers don't have authority over every usage of the term. It's relevant, but it's also relevant how people around the globe use the term, including the Japanese Brazilians themselves.Yes, I fully agree that they are their own thing. Since a shared Japanese heritage is partially what defines that thing, "Japanese" makes complete sense as a convenient shorthand, especially within those communities. Less so if they travel to Japan.
>>12900052>Either you or somebody else but it was literally claimed in this thread.Also yeah, that wasn't me.
Like I can see it being weird hearing someone foreign call themselves Japanese if you're born and raised in Japan. But at the same time, most people understand the intended meaning. Splitting hairs about it every time someone doesn't write out "Japanese descent" instead just gets obnoxious.
>>12895016I mean, they are not wrong.
>>12900092Their ancestry is related to their ethnicity but that doesn't make them Japanese. Not sure what the disconnect is for you.
>>12899867>Americans can afford to buy a dictionaryWell there's yer problem poorbaby
>>12900128You don't have to be Japanese in the sense you mean it to use the word "Japanese" to refer to yourself or others. That's the disconnect. The word is widely used to refer to Japanese ancestry, whether you approve or not.
>japanese brazilians = not at all japanese>korean japanese = still korean
>>12900180Are you talking about zainichi Koreans? They have Korean citizenship
not retro videogames
>>12900243Blame the Blankas who got their panties in a knot after Brazil was mentioned
>>12895465A Brazilian mother.
Why is he green tho?
>>12900314There's like 3 different answers, all of them are fucking stupid, and I swear Capcom rotates out which one they currently decide is canon
>>12900242>https://www.kmjweb.com/about/korean.html>在日コリアン>「韓国籍」「朝鮮籍」「日本籍」もふくめて>日本籍
Hue hue hue
THawk sitting Indian style screaming HOW at the end of the round lmao
>>12900242By Korean Japanese, I mean Japanese citizens of Korean descent. People with only Japanese citizenship will still sometimes get called Korean or identify themselves as Korean.
>>12900079>>>/int/i don't care but you should go post you arm with and pics of a recent /vr/ shop trip in nipponz.
>https://webmedia.akashi.co.jp/posts/7105>華僑は英語で overseas Chinese (Chinese overseas とも)、華人は ethnic Chinese と表現される。単に Chinese と表記されるだけで、華僑、華人のいずれか、あるいは両方の意味合いを含んでいることも多い。日本では漢字を用いるため、「華僑」「華人」「華僑・華人」「華僑華人」にするか、訳語の選択もきわめて悩ましい問題である。English translation:>華僑 is expressed in English as "overseas Chinese" (also "Chinese overseas"), while 華人 is expressed as "ethnic Chinese." Often, simply "Chinese" is used to refer to either category, or both. Because Japanese uses kanji, deciding which expression to use when translating - 華僑, 華人, 華僑・華人, or 華僑華人 - can be particularly tricky.This seems relevant to the whole discussion in this thread. There's a genuine language gap that changes how people talk about these things.
>>12900523It's just a tradition in Capcom games that the more of a stereotype your character is, the more of a bro you'll be.
>>12900453Zainichi Koreans don't have Japanese citizenship. They're granted a special status of permanent residency at birth, the only citizenship they hold is Korean.>>12900597You're definitely talking about zainichi Koreans. They're not Japanese.
>>12900607I don't go to /vr/ shops because I'm not a retarded tourist.
>>12901615>By Korean Japanese, I mean Japanese citizens of Korean descent. People with only Japanese citizenship will still sometimes get called Korean or identify themselves as Korean.I'm explicitly talking about Japanese citizens of Korean descent. Whether you're aware or not, Zainichi Koreans can naturalize and gain Japanese citizenship.For example, here's an anthropologist, 永田貴聖. He states:>"両親が私の生まれる前に帰化をしています。">(My parents naturalized before I was born.) https://www.ritsumei-arsvi.org/publication/center_report/publication-center14/publication-113/And here, he describes himself and another writer as >"日本国籍の在日コリアン" >(Zainichi Koreans with Japanese nationality)https://www.mgu.ac.jp/miyagaku_cms/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/29_p29-32.pdfYou may be using "Zainichi Korean" specifically for people without Japanese citizenship. But here it's explicitly being used for Japanese citizens too. Either way, you're ignoring what I explicitly specified: Japanese citizens of Korean descent. Telling me about people who don't have Japanese citizenship doesn't answer a point about people who do. This example shows that Japanese citizenship and a Korean ethnic identity aren't mutually exclusive.
Another example to consider:TBS described 金正則 as a third-generation 在日コリアン who had acquired Japanese citizenship two years earlier. He was born in Japan and says he speaks only Japanese. His campaign staff reported passersby making remarks such as:>帰化しても朝鮮人だろう>"Even if you naturalized, you're still Korean, aren't you?"https://newsdig.tbs.co.jp/articles/-/2042279?page=5He's a Japanese citizen, yet TBS describes him as Zainichi Korean, and those passersby called him Korean while explicitly acknowledging that he'd naturalized. Whatever you think his ethnicity should be called, these descriptions aren't just statements about his citizenship.You first said "Ethnicity is culture" but later said Japanese citizenship is also required. Why? Can someone born and raised in Japan, speaking Japanese and immersed in Japanese culture, be ethnically Japanese without Japanese citizenship? If not, what changes about their ethnicity when they naturalize, while their upbringing, language and culture remain the same?
>>12901940>hurrdurr are weebs ethnically japanese???
>>12901958Are weebs born and raised in Japan, and do they appear so very Japanese to the Japanese that sometimes the Japanese themselves don't know they're weebs until somebody tells them?
>>12901965>hurrdurr arr rook same
>>12901982Not saying that's always the case, but there are definitely cases where people have a Korean background and it isn't known until they reveal it. There's a reason many of them are able to conceal it. Yusaku Matsuda is one famous example.Very different from weebs, though I suppose you might find some very rare examples of weebs passing as Japanese.
TL; DR: The japanese are too homogenized and prideful, you need to be both born there and have (mostly) pure nippon blood to be fully considered one of their own.
>>12895016why tho>he is a good guy after all
>>12902001meanwhile everyone outside of Japan considers even a mutt Japanese, via a one drop ruleHikaru Nakamura, Naomi Osaka, doesn't matter
