The Nintendo GameCube is one of Nintendo's least successful consoles ever made, struggling against it's competitors, how would you have saved it from flopping?
>>12893558Kill Ken Kutaragi
>>12893558>normal analog sticks instead of that octogonal nonsense>4 shoulder buttons, with normal trigger buttons>make the console default color black. purple makes it look like it is for kids, white is outdated, black is what was in fashion at the time
>>12893558DVD as media.
First, ditch the home console market while remaining the king of the handhelds. Learn from all the mistakes my predecessors at Nintendo made with the N64 before making more of them myself.Secondly, go mercenary and offer Sony console exclusivity on the lucrative home console software we're now focusing on, and earn millions before even writing a line of code. We could go to Microsoft and get more, but we'll sell more games on PS2.
>>12893592Why not just pull a Wii a generation early?
>>12893593It won't be as effective against the PS2 as it will be against the more expensive and controversial PS3.Keeping that ace in my pocket.
>>12893581>black is what was in fashion at the timeSilver electronics were the fashion in the early 2000s, which is why Sony and Nintendo both swiftly brought out silver models.
>>12893558don't wait a generation to figure out how to make donkey kong without Rare around
>>12893597This
>>12893558The gamecube is probably the console I had the best time playing with. I wouldn't change a thing.
>>12893558Nintendo lost 6th gen because they lost 5th gen so hard. Only a massive Sony blunder would stop PS2 dominance.
>>128935581. Replace minidiscs with regular discs2. Can play dvdsThis would have become every kids go-to media device
>>12893597I recall many top of the line tech devices being black and shiny
>>12893614The Silver era was around 2002-2006 ish of course there was still a lot of black but silver got real popular for a few years.
not give it a retarded controlleruse regular fucking discs and dvd mediastop being a fucking asshole to third parties
>>12893632Also giving up component in later model revisions
>>12893634>>12893632also not making it gay purpleI unironically had friends that called the console a retarded gay kids toy because of that
1. Make it use regular ass DVDs2. Give Super Mario Sunshine another year in development
>>12893558Don't exist around the same time as Rockstar, Naughty Dog, Insomniac, Santa Monica Studio, and Konami. Nintendo would never have had the library to compete in a million years.
>>12893659Capcom, Sega, and Nintendo were serviceable for the gamecube. Rare was sorely missed but at least they had Retro. It wasn't as good but the library isn't an embarrassment
>>12893664Never said it didn't have a good library, just that it was never going to be competitive with the PS2's, which was a huge reason it was less popular. Not to mention the other two things people mentioned in this thread which I know for a fact played a part.>plays movies>not purple and toy-like
>>12893590Full-size optical discs is the answer. What was the point of making the GCN more powerful than the PS2 if the discs weren't large enough to hold high quality audio, textures, or FMVs?
>>12893558just port:>GTA III>GTA: Vice Cityafter that, secure PS2 to XBox ports:>MGS2>Silent Hill 2 >Burnout 3: Takedown >Star Wars Battlefront 1/2>Max Payne 1/2>WE/PES (yearly) you might also add:>Budokai 3>Tekken 4/5>Devil May Cry 1/3>Ace Combat 04>Guitar Hero 1/2and obligatory "we got GTA: SA at home":>Bully
>>12893558Don't let go of Rare.
>>12893558Don't let go of Rare. Ensure a real Pokemon rpg equivalent to the handheld games was on it.
>>12893558hire Bernie Stolar
>>12893724They already did.
>>12893558it still printed money
>>12893606I don’t even have the energy to point out how dumb this comment is.
>>12893638I still do that
>>12893873it's his experience. good for him.
>>12893716To this day I don’t understand why their console Mario Golf and Tennis games never adopted the single player RPG elements from their GBC counterparts made by Camelot.
A lot of good ideas in the thread, but an obvious one I haven't seen is slapping Aonuma in the face and forcing him to make Twilight Princess early instead of Wind Waker.
>>12893896Didn't Wind Waker get more praise than Twilight did?
>>12893897Twilight Princess took way too long to come out. Okami and Shadow of the Colossus really stole its thunder.
>>12893897No, that's only in recent years. Wind Waker was seen as a massive downgrade from the N64 Zeldas and a joke that cemented the GC's reputation as being a baby console.
Take private jet to OP's dad's house and kick him in the balls because his son made this thread
>>12893906Webcomics of the era all shit on it for that reason. The game was considered a joke for toddlers.
>>12894005you think you're ben shapiro or some shit? pompous faggit
third party support. gta was THE game to play at the time. (even more so than today)the gamecube was the only major gaming platform without gta on itcompletely mind boggling in hindsight. the modern equivalent would be to release a console today with no fortnite or minecraft.all the other "issues" of the console are completely secondary. it just lacked games. yes melee is fun but it was not the juggernaut it became with ultimate, it was a lot more niche than you would expect.
>>12893903>Okami and Shadow of the Colossus really stole its thunder.Yeah, that’s why neither of them sold as much as Twilight Princess did on GameCube alone jfl.
>>12893897Hard to say. The paid critics loved Wind Waker and Twilight Princess equally, which is why 8.8 stuck out and got so many internet nerds upset.
>>12893558Nothing could really be done, the Gamecube didn't have a DVD player, nor the ability to allow you to play custom soundtracks in games. Maybe an internal hard drive and broad band internet built in, would have helped?
>>12893886Probably some dumb ass rule Miyamutoid blurted out.
>>12893558>kill Wind Waker for a proper Zelda game more like the 64 titles and Alttp, if Aounuma bitches kill him too, he won't make a single good game after Majora's Mask anyway.>kill Sunshine and Luigi's Mansion for a proper Mario 64 2 released as a launch title.There I saved the Gamecube, that's all you needed to do.
>>12894184Twilight Princess was obviously going to sell better, but its core game mechanics felt stale by the time it came out. Pretty much everyone criticized the tedious wolf form bug hunt sections.
>>12893574Holy nuke
>>12894270>>kill Wind Waker for a proper Zelda gameNow tell me what's wrong with Twilight Princess?
>>12893724Bernie would have killed the Gamecube like he did the Sega Saturn.
What a stupid fucking thread. Maybe I'd just play the games instead of endlessly arguing about what console sold more than the other, like sales has any real meaning in the overall quality of anything. No, let's just have discussion over and over again of what could've should've happened instead. Faggots.
>>12894270What slop machine did you use? This shit horrible.
>>12894359So just like how Yamauchi, Howard, and Nintendo seething over Kaga killed the N64?
>>12894391The N64 didn't die, it was in a strong second place. Bernie Stolar simply gave up on the Sega Saturn, rather than trying to save it. That's how he killed the Sega Saturn. He was a snake in the grass for Sega.
>>12893606>I liked it I liked itNot your blog you punk ass bitch faggot
First we need to save the Saturn.
>>12894474post biceps pussy
>>12894784Bernie Stolar Killed The Sega Saturn
>>12893606Based cubist.
>>12893558>The Nintendo GameCube is one of Nintendo's least successful consoles ever madeDidn't Wii U sell less?
>>12893558Full-sized DVDs as format, stop treating third-party devs like shit, naked dogeza in front of Squeenix and hoping that it will be enough for them to come back.
>>12894808I will beat your ass
>>12894946w-w-wait!! we can talk this over!
>>12894946damn that pitpussy looks comfortable.
>>12893886In my head canon, when it come to quality on their games there's Camelot after and before the Wii, Like something happened before the release of Dark Dawn or something.
>>12894946stop biting your nails
Full sized discs so it's less frustrating for third parties to port cross-platform games.Switch the C-Stick for a second joystick. Swap the Z button for the standard button + trigger on both sides.Launch with a proper Metroid/Zelda/Mario game not Luigi's fucking MansionConvince Namco or Atlus to commit to making GCN exclusive JRPGs from day one.
>>12894424>They asked me to save the company>Should I spend millions trying to salvage the reputation of a dead in the water machine against two juggernauts without having any mass-market appeal games?>or should I just admit defeat and ask everyone to move onto the new hardware we already have under development so we can start fresh?Yeah anon, real snake there
The 64DD killed the N64. Not just because it came out so late, was only really released in Japan and flopped. But because they wasted so much fucking time and resources on it. It was in all of their advertising, they really bet the farm on it. Its crazy going back and reading press releases on the N64 game demos at events like Space World. The Disk Drive was all they talked about, all of the demos and big console sellers were supposed to be DD games. The DD is pretty much the poster child for the Sunk Cost Fallacy. They should've scrapped it when it wasnt ready at launch and focused 100% on the carts despite not being ideal. Launch the memory expansion pak sooner. Release a new Super Gameboy Color instead of just tge transfer pak for Pokémon Stadium.
>>12893558>how would you have saved it from floppingby not signing with crapcom and resident evil shitthat belonged to playstationtake back final fantasy instead and revival it kindaget silent hill instead and other konami shitmight even try to get gta after allbut to do all these things it takes more than just nintendolate 1990s ruined everything
>>12893581I never knew it was possible to have taste this shit. Octogon gate was fantastic for games like Super Monkey Ball. Pressure sensitive shoulder button were also really good in the games that used them, there should have been another Z button for sure. You have to either be a child, woman, or faggot to really care if your console is purple. Making every device black is jewish and soulless.
>>12895351capcom was a bright spot for them. reddit hill sucks come on man.>>12895352>console is literally a black cube
>>12895338I just looked it up because of your comment, and holy shit>announced *before* the N64 was even out>delayed until almost the end of the N64's life>all that hype for an addon whose disks maxed out at 64 MB when the competition was using 700 MB CD'sYou can't even say it was at least a learning experience for them since after all that they decided to use a gimped storage format for the 64DD's follow-up console anyway.
>>12895403As I have always understood it, the N64 was designed with expansion ports because the previous consoles had them, and when publishers kvetched about Nintendo using cartridges, the vision came together for an FDS-style device/succession plan (nearly no Famicom games released on cart after Super Mario Bros.). But then the third party devs saw the idea and basically told Nintendo they could shove the cartridges up their ass, and that they were going to focus on DD development, which more or less forced Nintendo's hand in trying to have it out at launch. And when they couldn't have it out then or shortly after, and watched most of the DDs titles be moved back to cartridge or scrapped, they purposely delayed it even more in the hopes people would just forget about it. I have heard that they could have the 64DD out at the end of 1999 but chose to sit on it because it was all but dead, and only ended up giving it the release they did in order to say "see? We didn't lie about this!" hoping to avoid alienating what few partners they had.It was purposely given a late, low-quantity release with little software so that they could then say it was a failure and not have to release it worldwide
>>12895286Make up any dumb excuses you want Bernie, but you killed the Sega Saturn.
>>12893558Make it less appealing to future pedophiles.
>>12894808That other guys memeing but this is meWe NES Chads mog you cubeshits. Never post off topic on the Chans again.
>>12893592They already did that, in 2017.>>12893593Nintendo of America wouldn't let them.
>>12895410To be frank Nintendo did almost pick up Hudson's 16-Bit chip set (which would've been named the Neo Famicom/NES) before NEC out bided them.Super NES started development immediately after Super Mario Bros was finished, Disk System was nothing but a stop gap.
>>12895364>capcom was a bright spot for themit literally put them on a stupid corner as if they weren't in it alreadywasted time and moneythat fucking fag mikami ruined anything in his pathyou just don't want it to be fucking different thenthus no sense for you posting in this already stupid fucking thread>>12895364>reddit hill sucks come on manyour opinion is shit cause that's what's in your head
>>12897491mikami is a genius, stick to walking sims like reddit hill if you're too shit to play his games
>>12893558Was still fun lol
>>12893558>release a year and a half earlier>don't use those shitty disks>actually give developers dev kits holy fucking shit how does nintendo do this every fucking console launch for decades just god fucking dammit>price match sony and microsoft for developer contracts so you actually lock in gamesYou'd basically have to release the gamecube with a company that was not Nintendo to have made the nintendo gamecube successful
>>12893597Sadly Silver "Platinum" color wasn't a launch color. In fact, it was NoA that really pushed for the alternative to come out in 2002.
>>12893574You mispellled Shinji Mikami, although Hideo Kojima would have also been an acceptable answer.
>>12893673most revolved around not paying royalties to "dvd forum"
>>12893558DVD and not give the PS2 a two year head start.
>>12900281>not give the PS2 a two year head startIt's not like Nintendo's been twiddling their thumbs for two years. They couldn't have released the same hardware two years earlier.
>>12900259Yeah, Nintendo's pride really screwed them on that front
I reject the premise. I was 8 years old and was in the target demographic. It was a massive success. Everybody I knew had one. >muh sales>muh critics Not relevant to an 8 year old
>>12900317I think what fucked Nintendo is that they weren’t prepared for the extra manpower that developing for more powerful 3D hardware required. They were used to the old Japanese way of small efficient dev teams. This is why both Sunshine and Wind Waker felt rough around the edges by Nintendo standards.
