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    Now the dust has finally settled who was in the wrong here?
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    >>59691725
    Your mom
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    (You) for being a cancerous twitterposting idiot
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    >>59691725
    You, OP, for starting a thread that's just "Let's talk about some random fucking tweet that hurt my feelings." Please consider walking into traffic goodbye
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    >>59691725
    GSC plays like a 2-part game, Johto feels weak compared to RBY because there's a whole second half to the game
    I'm torn a bit on the Kanto half because the wild levels are consistent with RBY which doesn't serve the player in postgame at all, but all the trainers and gym leaders are bove any RBY equivalent
    I also haven't fully replaced the game in close to 20 years so I don't really know
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    >>59691725
    >Tama
    Oldfag who was a fan since the beginning, has a deep understanding of what every game is trying to accomplish and plays games in depth before talking about them. Thr closest thing to a bad video she made was colosseum one and she as explicitly transparent about her biased against that game and that it wasn’t for her
    >Hoe Merrick
    Retarded shill who accuses the game that invented post game of having a “highly lacking” postgame. And would sell his own mother into slavery it it would get him an extra shekel from Game Kike.

    Hoe Merrick is always in the wrong
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    >>59691746
    Me
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    >>59691725
    Tama isn't nearly as attractive as she thinks she is
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    >>59691746
    Us
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    >>59691735
    spbp
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    >>59691725
    tamashii for selling her soul over to bluesky
    though to be fair, joe is joe at the end of the day; they're all terrible
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    >>59691756
    the funniest thing about this is that her ass isn't even that great
    but whatever i guess the 5 people on bluesky are thrilled to goon to tama's flat ass
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    >>59691770
    >>59691761
    Stop samefagging faggot
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    >>59691812
    You wish
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    >>59691725
    >the post game was extremely lacking
    >the only thing that proceeded it was gen 1's Cerulean Cave and that's it
    Joe moment
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    >>59691725
    >>59691923
    >"the post game was extremely lacking"
    >an entire region with 8 bosses tailor made to tickle a 10 year old's 'member berries
    >a mysterious mountain hiding fan favorite new pokemon
    >game ends with a battle against your past self who leads with a lvl 81 pokemon, something we'd never seen before
    For someone whose entire life revolves around Pokemon, Joe really has some of the shittiest opinions about the franchise.
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    >>59691725
    Tamashii's latest video only focuses on distribution and level curve. I didn't find it convincing; nor of course did it address the many other criticisms that've been levvied at the games.
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    >>59691740
    >Johto feels weak compared to RBY because there's a whole second half to the game
    no, Johto "feels weak" because it *is* weak, being 1/2 a region that's mostly empty and devoid of unique content as opposed to being its own thing.
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    >>59691756
    you wouldn't be upset to be on a date with this
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    >>59691793
    by that logic early somethingawful abandoners sold their soul over to 4chan
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    >>59691959
    >a gym leader boss rush
    >a random location with nothing but certain wild pokemon
    >boss battle with the KANTOOO protag
    yes, that qualifies as "extremely lacking"
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    >>59691998
    I meant level-wise, Johto has plenty of content with berry trees all over, bug-catching contests, an apricorn crafter, a Pokemon breeding center, all not even halfway through Johto.

    >>59692004
    Compared to Kanto's Mewtwo, and...and....
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    >>59691740
    >I also haven't fully replaced the game in close to 20 years so I don't really know
    that's exactly why grifters and pedophiles like Merrick are able to gaslight people into hating the Johto games. They're so old that most people haven't played them and anyone who did has fuzzy memory due to playing them 2 decades age.
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    >>59691999
    She looks like an utter bitch
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    >>59692017
    >Compared to Kanto's Mewtwo, and...and....

    https://johto.substack.com/p/interview-with-joe-merrick-serebii
    >Out of all the currently released Pokémon games, which one is your absolute favourite, and which one is your most disliked, and why?
    >Most disliked is hard to say because people will go off saying "Oh my gosh he hates this", when I don't, but I honestly have to say Gold & Silver. They compromised a lot to get both regions in and you end up with two small regions with little to do in them, with a terrible level curve and the new Pokémon are imbalanced in terms of where you can get them, with many being exclusive to Kanto. It's madness. I only really feel it's nostalgia for people to say it's the best.

    Joe's problem is that the Johto games are empty, and trying to be expansive ended up creating an unconcentrated experience unlike even with RBY which lacks real postgame; at least there's more *game* there to begin with.
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    >>59692037
    it's just the autism
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    >>59692046
    >Joe's problem is that he's a lying faggot
    ah i see
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    gen 2 has my favourite sprite work but that's about it
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    >>59691725
    > actually ever fucking implying that kanto is the postgame of johto
    "Oh boy, time to play HeartGold!! I can't WAIT to become champion and quit immediately, because I refuse to fight Red, the boss fight that has been foreshadowed for the entire campaign!" SAID NOBODY EVER IN THE HISTORY OF EVER-NEVER.
    You play Crystal to fight red. You play HeartGold to fight red. You play soulsilver because you have an vore fetish. Trainer Red is LITERALLY the whole point of the game.
    Oh, but god forbid you have to wait to the second half of the game to get a late-game monster. If it's that much of a big deal to you, you can trade with your friends.
    > By the way, you can get monsters like Slugma at violet city and Larvitar at the safari zone. You can get a lotta shit at the safari zone, come to think of it...
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    >>59691725
    Joe is right about Gen 2 but almost every pokemon game has some huge glaring flaw. B2W2 is the only one where I think they nailed everything.
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    >>59692076
    >Joe is right about Gen 2
    He would be, if his argument was Gen 2 has flaws or even that Gen 2 is bad, his argument is that gen 2 is significantly worse than every other main game, when that that is wrong since everything Johto is hated for is as bad or worse in other games. Had he said, Johto is overrated because it falls for the same pitfalls that every other piece of shit game freak has ever shat out becase they're kike who know you'll buy it anyway, he'd be based. But he's too much of a dickless worm to attack any game except the acceptable target.
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    >>59692064
    I don't see why
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    >>59692099
    what better fits >>59692046 than gen ii
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    >>59692107
    Johto alone had more content than all of Gen 1 so the empty thing falls apart. And “ be expansive ended up creating an unconcentrated experience” is exactly what Gen 8 did with it hallway region and empty wild area, but Joe sucks that game off almost as much as KANTOOOOOOOOO
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    kek
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    >>59691725
    >celebi is his site's mascot
    >hates gen 2
    >loves "current gen"
    i don't understand his mental illness
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    >>59692115
    >>59692259
    Johto didn't even have the Safari Zone LOL
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    >>59692271
    that RNG fest isn't fun
    gen 2's bug catching is a bit worse with pokemon variety but it is better gameplay wise
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    >>59692275
    >that RNG fest isn't fun
    >this one is though
    >Joe is the hypocrite >:(
    tardation
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    Gen 2 is the skeleton of a good game without enough meat on its bones and is best enjoyed through ROMhacks.
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    Why is this crybaby tranny making so many johto seethe threads
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    >>59692271
    Johto has the Bug-Catching Contest, which IMO is better than Kanto's Safari Zone
    EXCEPT FOR
    >Safari Zone can be played ad nauseum
    >Bug-Catching Contest can only be played three times a week
    >A WEEK
    At least it functions as a normal zone outside of it, that's something...right?
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    >>59691725
    >gen 2 hatred
    >look closer
    >compshitter
    Many such cases
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    >>59692396
    >joe
    >compshitter
    lol
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    >- johto.png
    I wonder how many of these threads are just you arguing with yourself.
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    Her leaked nudes were incredibly disappointing
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    >>59691994
    picrel wasn't addressed because you'd have to be retarded to think it's an issue in the first place.
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    >>59692076
    >B2W2 nailed everything
    what, you mean the game where they have a cave that the game claims leads to sinnoh and then you get there and it's one room? that's a bigger disappointment than anything in johto
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    >>59692103
    LUFIA MENTIONED LET'S GOOOO
    with that said both of those games look great, one being comparatively very simple doesn't make it bad
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    >>59692103
    you seriously can't think the dogshit on the left looks good right?
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    >>59691756
    >>59691999
    >>59692037
    On one side you have an ass-deprived mid girl with a mid face, but actually not disgusting. I'd definitely fuck her on scarcity.

    On the other hand you have Joe fucking Merrick
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    >>59693006
    Joe is married. Tama posts thirst traps oh social media. So there's that.
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    >>59693431
    >Joe is married
    who cares? I'll beat the living fuck out of him in real life anyway.
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    >>59692004
    >more boss battles and new wild pokemon
    Let me guess, you *NEED* more?
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    >Johto Gym Leaders should have more Johto mons! That's an objective flaw!
    >Why?
    >Because they should use new Pokémon!
    >Why?
    >Because other gens do it!
    >What other gens? Gen 1 had new Pokémons by definition, and Gen 2 was the second, it was 50% of the series
    >Johto is bad and overrated ok?!!!
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    >>59694335
    J*htomons are weak and ugly that's why
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    >>59694340
    True. Murkow’s offensive stats are so Falkner has to only use the pidgey line. Spinarak, Ledyba, and Pineco are all worse than cocoons hense why bugsy uses two cocoons instead of any of them. Whitney’s Clefable is infamous for how strong it is. Jasmine couldn’t add the infamously weak and unviable skarmory. Heracross was so shit Chuck would rather use only two Pokemon .
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    >>59694372
    glad we agree
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    >>59694372
    Agreed. Good thing we have a myriad of gen 2 romhacks that fix this glaring issue.
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    >>59694340
    >Johto mons are ugly
    That's your subjective opinion, not an objective fact.
    >Johto mons are weak
    That being a flaw is your subjective opinion, not an objective fact.
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    >>59692000
    you can't sell your soul if you never had one
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    >>59692970
    were you expecting them to put the entire sinnoh region in the game
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    >>59691994
    pic attached just makes the Johto Pokémon seem more special desu. It implies that either the Johto pokemon are upgrades from their Kantomon or that they're actively training Johtomon to learn more sbout them and unlock more combat potential
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    >>59695211
    >>Johto mons are ugly
    correct
    >>Johto mons are weak
    correct
    glad we agree
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    >>59691725
    Gen 2 is the way it is because its trying to be Dragon Quest 3.
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    >>59695633
    but you never hear people say that everything after Baramos is "post game"
    Pokemon fans have an awful habit of hearing things and parroting without understanding what they mean. Johto's "level curve" is another example different people claim it is an issue but explain it as either the game is too easy or that you are forced to grind due to it being too hard.
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    >>59692074
    I don't remember many references to Red in the games.
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    >>59691725
    Joe is obviously in the wrong
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    >>59692099
    >when that that is wrong since everything Johto is hated for is as bad or worse in other games.
    Like? I would say the biggest point of contention I personally have with it is that Johto itself is just boring.
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    >>59692017
    >Johto has plenty of content
    NTA, but that shit is boring. This isn't like SMT or DQM where fusion is a important part of the game. Meanwhile bug catching is tedious and the apricorn balls are straight up broken.

    When I think of content, I think of intresting locations, memorable fights, cool moments. Gen 2 really doesn't have much of that, and what little there is feels just a bit too similar to gen 1. Like, seriously, another secret Team Rocket base? Another island ice cave containing a legendary? Another burned down building linked to a legendary pokemon that isn't actually in there?
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    >>59695661
    The first that comes to mind is in Azalea town
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    >>59691725
    The REAL postgame for Both RBY and GSC was Pokemon Stadium 1 and 2. They both have an excellent post-game.
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    Tama has some dogshit opinions but Joe's criticism of Gen 2 can be applied to most entries in this franchise if you actually remember playing them. Almost every game had post game exclusive pokemon and there's some wildly bad level curves out there. But that'd require him to be honest that within the context of it's time GSC is fine, it's got more to do than Kanto but less to do than Hoenn. Only a dishonest hack would try to frame this as a bad thing instead of the linear progression of time.

    Then again he defends Gen 8+ lacking content so maybe he's just an actual retard.
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    lel
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    >>59692051
    Where are her tits?
    >>59691756
    Where is her ass?
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    >>59695218
    if they're gonna advertise having it with ingame text? yeah id hope so
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    >>59692046
    This is the broken clock being right twice a day. Joe is an annoying shill, and it's still ridiculous to say it's the worst generation ever when gens 6-present exist, but beyond that he's just stating the obvious about gen 2.
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    >>59692979
    Not that anon, but Lufia's graphics are about as good as it gets on the GBC. That anon was actually being generous by not picking a screenshot with a building in it since Pokemon's flat buildings that look like a toddler drew them are pathetic in comparison.
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    >>59691725
    I played crystal earlier this year and liked it. To get the most out of it, you have to play it the least like a pokemon game and more of an actual RPG. If you do, then its good, if you dont, then its mediocre.
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    >>59692046
    This is the broken clock being right twice a day. Joe is an annoying shill, and it's still ridiculous to say it's the worst generation ever when gens 5-present exist, but beyond that he's just stating the obvious about gen 2.
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    >>59691756
    Idk what standards you guys have - I'd tap that
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    >>59691998
    All this image does is convince me that having so many water routes was a mistake for Hoenn.
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    >>59691756
    Assfailure
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    >>59691725
    Joe is technically right if we take the franchise as a whole, but for its time it was clearly designed as sequel so it was basically just sprinkles on top. I’d say we can excuse it there.

    Now for the remake I think it’s a different story. They could have overhauled and expanded the level/game design to keep it fresh but they choose to focus on qol, they were unironically too faithful to a fault for that time.
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    >>59691725
    Tamashii Hiroka for being a pussy and changing her online name
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    >>59697539
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