We didn't know how good we had it with ORAS.>m-muh Frontier!! No one cares, npc
I don't think that's the right term, HGSS was when we didn't know how good we had it. ORAS was lacking in a number of ways and was filled to the brim with weird retcons and reimaginings and "its okay that they cut the emerald stuff its a RUBY/SAPPHIRE remake" despite HGSS also being a G/C remake but having the crystal content anyway. BDSP showed us just how laughably bad it could get and now no one wants remakes anymore at all.
>>59683145HGSS didn't fix the shitty main game from the original, and its content was just recycled from Platinum. It's still a fine remake but not the holy grail like people love to parrot.
>>59683149It put more effort in than any remake before or after it, unless you actually think ORAS is as good as it could get.
>>59683149>shitty main game from the originalLow effort ragebait or delusional. Which one?
>>59683145Game freak saw the entire Pokémon fandom shitting on HGSS, since HGSS put in Crystal features game freak excluded emerald features from ORAS.
>>59683237What timeline are you from that has it so HGSS is anything but one of the most consistently praised and beloved titles in this whole series
>>59683246there's a lot of weird revisionism surrounding hgss, only the elites still recognize it as objectively the best pokemon game now
>>59683246HGSS was widely considered to be one of if not the best games in the series until Gen 8 and 9 toddlers got tired of people shitting on their dogshit games and picked a random old gen target. And pronuzlocke autists who hate the game because it wasn't built with their playstyle in mind.
>>59683219It has always been consensus that HGSS main campaign (and the originals) is hot pisswater. The level curve, the trainers, their teams, etc. HGSS is still good because of many other things but its main campaign.
>>59683145>>59683137Regardless of the game design of ORAS itself or whatever, it was still a remake that GF actively wanted to develop and put effort into, and meant to be the generation's side-game to XY. Meanwhile, BDSP was an outsourced 1:1 chibi low effort remake GF didn't want to develop, because they're now busy juggling between mainline and legends.So if they're just going to repeat BDSP with BW next being the same shitty no effort "remake" then they can fuck right off.
>>59683362People complained about the level curve but still loved the campaign in spite of it
>>59683137oras was worse with troon redesigns, dpo remakes were fine without any change imagine cynthia redesign into a nigger like brendan and shelley lol
>>59683362>It has always been consensusAppeal to Majority Fallacy. Try again.>Level curveNevermind. You aren't intelligent enough to resort to anything else.
>>59683362>HGSS is still good because of many other things but its main campaign.fair point, but no pokemon game actually has any engaging challenge in the main campaign except maybe Gen 7.
>>59683407>People complained about the level curve but still loved the campaign in spite of itBased and TRVE.
>>59683137>uhhh cloud uhh I mean ruby we need to ride the spaceship uhh I mean rayquaza to destroy jenova uhh I mean deoxysfucking cringe
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>>59683422No argument. Concession accepted.
>>59683421but when Mystery Dungeon does it it's kino and based?
>>59683137>Calls people criticizing the lack of Battle Frontier NPC'sAnon, NPC's are the Corporate Defence Force members who bootlick the multibillion dollar company. Just sayin'.
>>59683439When did I say anything about mystery dungeon? That's quite the lazy Strawman you constructed there.
>>59683439yes
>>59683137Real ones know oras was great despite the lack of frontier. Followed up on both the weaknesses of HGSS as a remake and XY as general games
>>5968344098% of people who cry about the frontier never got all the gold symbols. They only played tower and maybe factory, and then skipped the rest because they're shit and unfun RNG modes.
>>59683455Frontier was much too hard for the generation it was introduced in. Gamefreak never explained natures, IVs or EVs. Breeding was much slower and the lv.50/open level thing cucked certain Pokemon out of participating. Movesets were extremely limited, one use TMs meant you either needed to play the game several times to get the moves you needed, or do extremely complex egg move chains to create some decent Pokemon, and good luck if that mon is Genderless. This isn't even getting into the limited Pokedex and how some of the best Pokemon in Gen 3 needed you to own XD/Colo. No matter how you look at it, BF was too much, too fast, and no one who played the games casually in Gen 3 would have the information or means to make a good enough team to get all golds.I sai all that to say that now, making a viable team genuinely takes almost no real effort, even if GF still adamantly refuses to outright explain EVs and IVs, you can make any Pokemon comp viable, with reasonable playtime and very little knowledge. Gen 9 and ESPECIALLY gen 6 would be the perfect times to bring back the battle frontier now that the barrier of entry is so much lower, and yet there's no BF anymore, we don't even get towers anymore, they just shove you into the online skinnerbox.It just doesn't make any sense, the BF has a place in the games more than ever, we just don't get them because GF is too fucking lazy.
>>59683137BDSP being turds doesn't undo ORAS being mid.
>>59683865This anon gets it.
>>59683858we don't get them because battle autism is concentrated in champions now. it's the same reason why we stopped getting Stadium games, because the mainline got 3D battles. No point to fill the main series with grindy battle modes when you have champions and online battles for your battle autism.
dogshit demakes
>>59684199>champions, which hasn't been a thing for a year yet, is the reason why there's no BF in gen 5 or ORAS, from a decade ago
>>59683219People have to pretend that HGSS aren't good games, because otherwise they would have to accept that gen 4 is one of if not the best generation of pokemon games
>>59684340Kek.
>>59683137Stop astroturfing here, Yisuno.
>>59683145>HGSS was when we didn't know how good we had itFucking lmao
>>59683422Bodied that groid faggot
>>59687100>worst thing you can say about hgss is a localization issue that isn't present in the game's original statespeaks volumes on just how good hgss isbut yeah localizers are fags
>>59687524Delusional Sinnohfag
>>59687858??? im a johtoCHAD actually
>>59689449>playing anything after CrystalSinnohbab larp
>>59683137>We didn't know how good we had it with HGSS.FTFY. All 3 of the remakes after it have been shit
HGSS > FRLG >>> ORAS >>> BDSP
>>59689681Crystal is a terrible game though. Sorry Gen 2 is ass and you grew up with shit games, but that doesn't mean you get to roleplay as epic genwunner badass
BDSP was fine. Diamond and Pearl is a good base. EXP share is a convenient feature and so is making HMs friction free
>>59683137dumbass
>>59683137The biggest crime this game made was made Key event items timegated...in the Switch and internet eraILCA and Goyfreak didn't even have the decency to permanently put Manaphy Egg, Oak's Letter and Member Card events for the entirety of the Switch's lifespan
>>59689927True, and they could fix this now if they had the goodwill. I'm sure they would sell a few more copies of they did it.
>>59684365platinum is the only good gen 4 game and i say this as someone who has gen 4 as his second favorite gen. platinum is just that good. hgss are not though, they are borderline unplayable. i'd sooner go back to usum than hgss.
>>59689852AgreedBDSP hate is forced
>>59689842Crystal is phenomenal.HGSS is even more phenomenal.Simple as.
BW remakes will be outsourced chibi shit too
>>59683145
>>59694611This image speaks volumes. GSC/HGSS were the last games where the player was normal person going on an adventure and not god's chosen child destined to lead man and Pokekind to a new dawn. Look at some of these points;>Plot relevance, what's that?It makes me think of someone who's first game was DPPT who thinks every Pokemon game needs to follow the formula of the box legend being the central focus of the evil team and the player is required by law to fight and capture them. Ho-Oh and Lugia were completely optional back in the original games, only with Masuda's meddling did they make the Kimono girls start jacking you off for doing basic tasks like everyone does in the modern games. The rest of the points, like the plot having "no aura" or talking how how the evil team leader "only" having a Houndoom, give me the impression they're used to Pokemon being an isekai power fantasy. They'd gladly sit through endless cutscenes of every character in the cast praising you because that's all Pokemon has been for them. I'd even go as far as to say the only valid point on this whole image is the rarity of evolution stones, the level curve is only a downside if you're doing a Nuzlocke. Forget all of Johto's lore, forget the music and atmosphere, forget how much the game rewards thorough exploration or returning to older areas for rare Pokemon. Forget just how much GSC introduced to the series; weather, breeding, held items, shinies, time of day, friendship, you really can go on. Throw all of that in the garbage, you don't to feel like the main character of a Marvel movie, so the gen is dogshit, at least according to the newest generation of Pokemon fans who get their opinions from Youtubers desperate for clicks.Maybe that's why compared to shitting on any other gen, being spiteful towards Gen 2 inspires pity rather than anger, imagine embarking on one of the last great treks of the series and walking away upset there weren't more scripted legendary cutscenes.
>>59695489Trvthnvke
