Tourist here.I am curious as to what went into the world-building of the first game at the time the first game was made. Please don't bring up any explanations post-release; that's not what I'm looking for. And yes, I know that the answer to all my questions is that they just didn't think about it.Are there any resources or interviews from around the time of the first Gen release?Are the mentions of real-world places, like the mentions of Mew being discovered in South America in the original Japanese game?Same for the war mentioned by Lt. Surge?Again, I know the meta reason it is a fucking game and you need NPC talk that way, but from my latest playthrough, I got the feeling like Pokémon and their relationship with humans appear to have been a rather recent thing, like they have always been around but only in small numbers up until recently, prompting scientific study and stuff like the Pokedex. Do any NPCs in the original game mention any real animals or reference eating Pokémon or meat in any fashion? Lapras appeared to have been hunted iirc.Why are there so few adults? Did Red and Blue's fathers die during the war? Why is everybody so fucking obsessed with Pokémon and have their entire society revolve around it?Did Pokémon like Voltorb or any electric Pokémon always exist in this world? Do they use Pokémon as a free labor and energy source? What kind of government do they have, and why can Team Rocket just get away with their bullshit to the point where Giovani can hide out in a gym and not even the trainers in it know who he was?That's enough stupid questions for now. I would love to know what the real-world inspirations are for stuff like Team Rocket and the Pokémon League.
there's a million billion clickbait youtube videos made exactly for people like you
This is an interesting topic but I lack the knowledge to contribute
>>59677572Uh, I guess? Feel free to link them.All I could find was kind of explaining stuff based on info that came later; I'm more interested in getting into the head of the devs during development.
>>59677543Do you specifically want answers from during the gen 1 era or only from pre release/the time around release? If the latter then it'll be much more difficult to answer. There was a book released 2 months after red and green called "An Illustrated Book of POCKET MONSTERS" which gives a lot of world building and more detailed pokedex entries. A lot of the stuff in this book made it into the anime and other Pokemon related media at the time. >Are the mentions of real-world places, like the mentions of Mew being discovered in South America in the original Japanese game?This is in the original japanese game and was kept in FRLG. The book mentions Mt Fuji which obviously was retconned out of the Pokemon world the next game with Mt Silver.
>>59677608Thanks! That's the kind of stuff I was looking for! I'll check it out.
>>59677543Those were the years when Masuda was the 'Wolf of Akihabara Street', and when Pokémon had edge.>the year was 1994. Or was it '95? (laughs) I can't remember, back then Ishihara and I were smoking like the plant was going extinct. We had been hired by Tajiri and Iwata to make the Pokémon Red / Green game, yet we were so close to hitting a deadline that we'd forgotten to try. Gamefreak was based in Akihabara, in an old studios apartment that was cheap because it used to be a porno studio that got busted over making kid content. (laughs) I still remember that day, Ishihara had hired for us his favorite escort, Pikachu, and we were waiting for her to arrive. Then the bell rings, and he goes all excited to answer, thinking it is her.>then barges in a furious Satoru Iwata, and he demands that I take him to see the work that we had done on the code>turns out no one in Gamefreak knew how to code back then, and we still don't really know (laughs) All we had of the game code was a textbloc file named 'New document'.txt, which we had to learn>He grew furious, and started shouting loudly and uncharacteristically, which quickly devolved into a shouting match because I refused to listen>among many insults, Iwata called me 'the laziest motherfucker he had ever met'>Ishihara quickly grew afraid. He knew someone would call the cops, and we were warned that the landlord would kick us out if he saw the pigs in his property again >he also knew I was unhinged, and my grandpa's Nambo was hiding under the courch, and that I had shown it to people over less>eventually, humors died down as Ishihara (who never worked a day in his life, up to this year) worked the miracle to quieten us, and convince Iwata to do all the hard work while Ishihara, Pikachu and I chilled on the couch>I like to think we worked him to an early death (laughs)Pokémon used to be such an inspired project, written by the life experience of highschool dropouts.
>>59677543>Pokémon Red / Green is very much a product of post-depression Japan, an inspired project that was embebbed with nostalgia from the 1980s — the promissing years before the depression, and the left behind memoirs and aspirations for a world that was great, vast and full of possibilities>At least that is what I told myself when we had been reined in Tajiri's project, of making his Dragon Quest dream game of collecting monsters and trading like it was stamps>Pokémon was a dream game project of sorts, and that was our headscape, a dream of a life before it was complicated. Like in the mind of a child, we filled the outskirts of the city with cool and scary bikers, old men gambling and scamming, filled a gym with kimono ladies, and had an old man drooling as he spied on them through the outside window (laughs)>the entire world seemed this fantastic mix of technology, nature and tradition>much of this scenery is lost to the later titles, I recognize, since we are no longer broke young adults dreaming of our lost innocence as we enjoyed the vida loca of early 1990s Tokyo>Pokémon is much better established today when it comes to what it is and what it isn't, yet I reckon that in many ways it lost its edge, and ever more it loses edge as it becomes globalized and more de-rooted from its japanese routes>One day, HGSS director Shigeki Morimoto told me that he feared the Pokémon World would become a theme park if it ever left Japan, as I proposed it should for B/W, since so much of it is rooted in the child's vision of the 1980s Japan>I dread to think that we prove him right
>>59677543>I don't remember this picture (laughs) Were they taking pictures? I was strict back then when it came to pictures, and unless I was near blackout drunk, I despised pictures and threatened to beat with a stick anyone who took a picture of me (laughs) You think I look mean and scary? That is the idea>I had this fear that my mom would somehow see an old Shueisha magazine, then start to wonder what her son was up to, since she didn't like Ishihara and knew how my father had been in jail after taking part in some friend's scheme>so I explicitly said 'No pictures', which only made Ishihara want to take pictures of me even more>then again, I am unfazed these days and much indifferent>That happens when you get more death threats than actual dictators (laughs)>It is true, I get more death threats than actual dictators because I decided Creatures devs seeing their kids was more important than making an HD model for Tynamo. Could you even tell me what that one is without looking it up?
>>59678214Omg, perfect. This shit is hilarious.>>59678250>filled a gym with kimono ladies, and had an old man drooling as he spied on them through the outside window (laughs)Omg yes, this is the whole reason I even started that train of thought, but I couldn't find a way to bring this dude up in the OP. That shit was so unhinged and full of soul. That guy, and Misty basically being proped up like a slu... Beautie-idol.>>59678263>Could you even tell me what that one is without looking it up?No, I couldn't.
>>59678277This is Masuda, Morimoto and Ishihara.Morimoto went on to do other projects, and didn't participate much after Crystal. Ishihara is probably still hiring the hookers for the studio, maybe the usual jokes that he never works have some truth to them. Masuda ended up being fired upwards after a powerstruggle and a shouting match during the 'Tyranny of King Masuda' years.These guys are college / highschool dropouts who really just wanted to have fun, fuck around, drink, do drugs, and reminisce about how things were good in the 1980s.Sex, Drugs and Pokémon, pretty much.Ohmori would not understand. Millenials ruined Pokémon, in a way, by making it too flat and americanized.
some fuckin nerd liked bugs. had an idea for a game. the yakuza loaned him money to make it. the end. masudas story is waaaaay cooler than tajiris.
>>59678277It is so full of soul and excitement.Tajiri doesn't have anything cool like this because he was always the recluse autistic shy type. But not Masuda and Ishihara. They were party animals. Still are. They wanted to live life. And Masuda was the tough guy, ever the iron man of Gamefreak.From highschool dropout to the head of a 70 billion dollars IP. I wonder if his relationship with Iwata ever healed. Both men never seemed to like each other, and after Tajiri distanced himself and let Masuda just do whatever with Gamefreak and Pokémon, my headcanon is that Iwata was not going to trouble himself saving more games for Gamefreak and slowly grew indifferent.After Iwata died, clearly the franchise derailed into mediocrity (from Ohmori) and spite (from Masuda).Masuda is clearly the tough guy and they look up to him.
>>59678321ishihara is like a fuckin mob boss compared to masuda it seems.
>>59678336Ishihara is old money and probably a criminal. Since Masuda is his buddy and enforcer (and probably Masuda has dirt on every suit in TPC, Nintendo and Gamefreak), Ishihara is probably Masuda's great enabler.The man aged like ass, probably due to all the cocaine. But at least he still does what he loves to do, which is nothing.For some reason people still remember when he said that he was friends with The Rock.They found probably the worst, least capacitated people to run Pokémon, it is hilarious. But at least the first game is brimming with soul, due to these dickhead dudebros just fucking around.
>>59678336But what I like about Ishihara is that he is more level-headed, more conciliatory.Like when americans wanted to put boobs on Pikachu (probably knew Pikachu was Ishihara's hooker), and for some reason this offended Ishihara tremendously.Pokémon fans would find very funny if they discovered Ishihara's prostitute inspired the mascot to the franchise.Oddly fitting.
Ishihara has a clear weak for women, though. Dude's a huge simp. Apparently, he let the dub for Jessie (JP) just do whatever she wanted because he had a crush.The 'Team Rocket is Blasting Off Again' line was improv from her, and Ishihara just let her do whatever. Pokémon was a huge success already, and my headcanon is that she was couch-cast, because there is no way these dudebros weren't banging every girl with their Pokémoney.Except Tajiri, who is always a boring nerd.
>>59677543I'm running out of stories, but if you want to know more of Masuda and Ishihara adventures, there is this blog that documented many now lost interviews.https://lavacutcontent.com/Personally, I can't stand any of these men. I see them as very mediocre and lazy people who got away with too much thanks to permissivity, greed and fear of those around them, as well as Iwata's efficiency saving their ass every time.But you admire the grit and lack of shame required to takeover the franchise the way they did.
>>59678379>dickhead dudebrosjesus have you ever seen codemonkeys? theres a whole episode just about this but the AMERICAN version of it
>>59678404there was a huge thread a long time ago that was nothing but greentexts of masudas POV during different stages of gamefreak development. it was easily the second funniest thing ive ever seen on 4chan in my life. it was all just him hungover calling tajiri a faggot nerd and being scared shitless of the yakuza that fund his retarded life. i think somewhwre he blew all the money and used the last of his yen to finish scarlet and violet and he finishes a line with the bill and hands it to a homeless guy to spaghetti code the game for him real fast or some crazy shit
>>59678418>Masuda: “For the Kanto region in the original Red & Green, I wanted to leave the Asian feel to it. I’m a Kanto local. I also had classical music in mind. I felt the music should be unique but not too ‘orchestra,’ not too ‘pop,’ not too ‘Asian.’ I wanted to create a new world by incorporating all the elements of all types of music. As far as portable game devices went back then, you could only use three music scales and a sound effect. It was much more challenging — yet gratifying — to compose music. It was also much quicker to come up with music with these limitations (laughs). Now there are 10 types of music scales! When I tried to express the melody I wanted, the music [for a portable game system] couldn’t be composed on an instrument like a piano. I played around with the program in order to add a musical effect to the sound effects — for instance, by removing ‘static,’ I could create a unique sound. For example, I would create a shattering sound and make it sound interesting by repeating it several times, without separating all the instruments. I remembered to always come up with music that’s unique to video games in general. For this reason, there are many video game scores that can’t be written as traditional music notes.”The interesting thing about Hoenn (very sanitized region in comparison to Kanto), is that Masuda spent his childhood as a poor kid raised by a single mother in Kyushuu. Since they were so poor, Masuda often went to the beach. Hence why water is so prevalent in Hoenn.
>>59678443oh no the thread im thinking of was all satire.
>>59677543>What happend before Gen-1Nothing. Life as we know it didn't exist until Pokémon did.Now let us speak nothing more of such silly concepts.
>>59678214Kek
>>59678954Based
Masuda is so cool.Sugimori is such a bitch. He got Masuda removed from game direction due to a BS shouting match, complaining Masuda was the problem.Now we know masuda isn't the problem, the entire studio is.
>>59679861>get masuda fired>his job is now literally fuck bitches, get moneysugimori got shit on so hard.
>>59678954That sounds like something you made up. Prove it's real.
>>59679861>Masuda is so cool.Getting high all day and convincing someone else to do all the work isn't cool, it's contemptuous. Masuda and Sugimori are both rancid pigs.
>>59679879Hey if it is true at least the actual origin story of Pokémon is a happy one. America does what it should've done at the end of WW2 and nukes the communist countries off the face of the earth.
>>59679871>>59679879>>59679886>prove it's realhttps://www.thegamer.com/junichi-masuda-banned-pokemon-game-director-since-x-and-y/This is one of the most interesting information leaked from Gamefreak.There is a surprising amount of drama for such a small indie studio.Sugimori was the one doing office politics to get Masuda blacklisted from game direction, yet they still wanted Masuda everywhere when it came to actually delivering the tough talk, such as when they spoke on Dexit.
>>59679898Nowhere in that article is it established (or even claimed) that pokemon were created by a catastrophic scientific test. It just talks about Masuda and cites Centro as a source.
>>59679920Oh, nevermind.I misreplied.The thread about the science background is probably a creative shitpost. Pokémon never really dwelled in this dark sci-fi aspect.It is just a parallel Universe where all life revolves around magic animals and we need to pretend people aren't physically attracted to the things.
>>59677543>I got the feeling like Pokémon and their relationship with humans appear to have been a rather recent thing, like they have always been around but only in small numbers up until recently, prompting scientific study and stuff like the Pokedex. Kinda, the idea is that they were always around but it took to the 1600s for someone to give a shit about them.>Do any NPCs in the original game mention any real animals or reference eating Pokémon or meat in any fashion? There's the famous indian elephant dex entries for gastly and Raichu yeah.Pokemon eating is a thing in current games.>Why are there so few adults?That IS because its a fucking game.>Why is everybody so fucking obsessed with Pokémon and have their entire society revolve around it?Because its a fucking game and they only care to show you the aspects that are relevant.Also, they just recently gave a shit about them.
>>59679977Okay no problem. I'm so used to people posting crap to instigate and waste people's time I assumed the worst in your post. I apologize for my rudeness.
>>59679988>Pokemon eating is a thing in current games.It was a thing in gen 1 as well. From this book >>59677608 it says "A few years ago, the media spread the word that Farfetch’d tastes good when cooked together with its stalk. Perhaps because so many were eaten, their numbers have declined."The anime pokedex entry references this and Crystal's dex entry mentions it's been bred to prevent extinction, but doesn't specify why it was near extinction.
Lore is good.
>>59679977honestly it sounds like the gen 2 betas wanted to but then backed off of that back into magical sci-fi creatures/yokai
>>59679879We're in a post-proof society now.
It is based>>59680666If you think about it, proving things is pointless. People just ask for proof as a post-hoc way to deny / argue against something.If you need new information to disagree or cope with something, you already lost.
>>59679861and a pedo lazy hack , he doesnt want pokemon be good
>>59681980Exactly, Sugimori should go back to riffing on Toriyama. That was when he was good.
>>59682011He never was good, nishida is tge reason Pokemon was popular
>>59682018Um... didn't he draw this? Because if so, he used to have some talent.
>>59682031>human characters Nobody gives a shit human characters
>>59682036Kek sure.
>>59682036Actually, nobody gives a shit about the animal characters.Pedophiles discussing which ten years old they fnd more attractive are what is left of this fandom.
>>59682031Unironically SOVLful.
>>59682031Early 1990s fashion.
>>59682063>>59682061No wonder they are making new characters so ugly
>>59678336>>59678379>>59678386I don't know how much of this thread is real or bullshit but I can confirm that Ishihara has, quite literally, the most body guards out of everyone in the game industry. The man is far from sight and you can't even take a photo with him at any of the TCG events or other related tpc stuff but masuda was always the person you could walk up to and take a photo with. This has been supported not only by myself but many other players. I wouldn't be surprised if his net worth was one of the largest in Japan, I mean he does make most of the money from the card sales as he owns the tcg portion and receives a small cut from the games as all the models are credited to creatures
>>59682278What does that have to do with my statement? The design is kino. Sugimori drawing from contemporary culture doesn't diminish the fact he had talent before wasting it to go against the grain.
>>59682303im not joking when i say ishihara is very clearly someone much higher up than anyone else. he excudes the aura of one of those kengan ashura type businessmen, masuda is just a silly dickhead. i genuinely think ishihara has ties to old stock yakuza based on how he carries himself. its not like he does anything for the industry worth protecting hes just a name afaik but his name carries alot of weight.
>>59682847he did his own tcg card
>>59682851that's funny and all but it doesnt really answer the question of what he does. he cant even be a middleman in this scenario or he'd be masuda status. hes got pull well beyond the scope of the entertainment industry or hes the japanese mel gibson. call it in the air ig
>>59682031Nishida made the anime designs for Ash, Misty and Brock
>>59682847Ishihara is old money. He was the one who rented Gamefreak's first base. He is basically the friend group one loaded guy who has so much money, he gets to do whatever he wants.And Masuda is a long time friend of his, which is probably why Masuda was allowed to turn Gamefreak into his personal cult and was elevated from a college dropout 8-bit composer to game director to the world's most valuable intellectual property.Pokémon is worth 80 billion dollars. Somehow Masuda (Gamefreak) and Ishihara (TPC & CEO of Gamefreak) run this immense franchise.It took decades for the Ken Sugimori beef to finally oust Masuda, and even then Masuda was fired upwards and now earns more money in a year than Sugimori will ever earn in his life.
>>59682915Someone's coping, I see.
>>59682915.Source on this? I know she made basically all the best Pokemon designs but where is this claim from
>>59682018Holy shit Nishida fucking mogged the shit out of Fagimori.
>>59683788>Source on this?An official press release for a game she worked on called Hometown Story.
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>>59682915And? OG Red mogs Ash so hard it's not funny.
>>59683947>And?All three are by far their most popular designs of the characters.
>>59683846>>59682018I've always associated Sugimori with human character designs, not with the designs of the actual pokemon
>>59683947Unironically based and true.
>>59683947TRVTH NVKE!!!!!!!
Sugimori should have been fired, nt Masuda.Ishihara had to move Masuda to the TPC and pay him triple to do nothing.
Someone post that Tajiri and Sugimori pic where Sugimori looks like 20 years older kek
>>59685522sugimori is scoundrel
>>59683030>the Ken Sugimori beefExplain.
>>59688131From Ruby / Saphire to X / Y, Gamefreak underwent a period that Sugimori called 'the Masuda dictatorship'. That was when Pokémon as we currently understand was born, following the formula of Ruby / Saphire that Masuda initiated.Sugimori was never affectionate of Masuda, and maybe saw the odd rise of a music composer to the most important man in a 70 billion dollars franchise with at least some envy.The studio morale during X / Y development was apparently very negative, and Sugimori used the opportunity to question Masuda's power (which began a decline after HGSS was a massive success and B/W1 were the most controversial games until then, while also being Masuda's brain children).Sugimori and his faction claimed Masuda created a culture of repression of creativity, constantly named and promoted favors, enabled incompetence, constantly refused to accept help from other developers outside Gamefreak, and created a generation of developers who followed his very ideas (Ohmori being the greatest example).Naturally, this all blew in Masuda's face during X / Y development. But a compromise was reached, with Masuda being blacklisted as game director but ceding power to one of his yes-men (Ohmori). Ohmori then proceeded to deliver the most mediocre titles in Gamefreak's library, and even the blacklisted Masuda directed BDSP as a last fuck you to the people who kicked him out.Masuda was then fired "upwards" because they'd not dare fire someone with so much dirt and power, and now Masuda is a "creativity director" of TPC, whose president is his friend Ishihara. As creativity director, Masuda built an overpriced theme park to launder money, and engaged in a patent war to sabotage upcoming monster titles.https://www.cbr.com/pokemon-director-blacklisted-junichi-masuda/Sugimori never really got what he wanted by ousting Masuda. Masuda kept being the mentor to Ohmori, and the bringer of bad news (dexit), at least until he left to TPC after BDSP.
>>59688634Gamefreak never had a single leak until Masuda left. Shortly after, they had the Spaceworld leak.Masuda was the firm hand that Gamefreak so direly needs, the man who'll say 'you'll buy it anyways, so fuck you'. No one has the balls.
>>59688638masuda is the trump of japan
>>59688634sounds like they were all fuckups in one form or anotherlucky fuckups, but still fuckups
>>59688634I always wonder what Pokemon would've looked like if the Spaceworld version of Pokemon 2/Gold and Silver had released and Tajiri remained much more involved with the series.
>>59688752They were fuck ups who were hard carried by a lone developer (Satoru Iwata was a computer engineer back then).You can argue Masuda suffered from some severe imposter syndrome, since he had a panic attack ahead of Ruby / Saphire. Unlike Gold / Silver, Iwata wasn't there to bail him out anymore, and Masuda feared the games would fail. This is the official inversion, I like to think that Masuda was just on drug rehab because he looks the type who noseblasts.
>>59677608OP is a zoomer / alphie who wasn't around for the leaks, so assume he doesn't know basic turn of the decade knowledge you now take for granted, like Sugimori ripping off Dragon Quest, Ultraman, and Tokusatsu
>>59688634>>59688638>>59689432>>59689971Junichi saved Pokemon, produced the greatest versions of it, and only failed once (1) (BW; which *still* has masses of loyalists despite being shit)
>>59686288"Pokemon" without Ken Sugimori mon designs and Junichi Masuda battle music isn't Pokemon.
>>59683971condolences for your retardation thenhttps://bogleech.com/pokemon/magma
>>59683030Satoshi was incompetent and a mere ideas guy who got what he wanted. He put the Capricorn Junichi in charge because he actually got shit done and demonstrably put his all into making Pokemon see the light of day. This idea that Junichi didn't earn his position is nonsense, as well as the idea his career was a series of constant disqualifying missteps.
>>59690102Sugimori is a narcissistic scoundrel doing backstage politics. >>59690108Masuda rising to the face of the 70 billion dollars IP due to "talent" alone is an oversimplification. He was the most popular of the first generation devs, Ishihara's favorite, and probably had the most dirt on everyone. To this day, Masuda is a strange character.I prefer him over Sugimori any day, but Black / White was Masuda's stance against those who found Morimoto (HGSS) to be a better director. And Masuda botched BW hard, which allowed Sugimori to drop his mask and start scheming.Masuda is also vindictive, petty, selfish and stubborn. He hated the Colosseum games. He refused to ask for help. He hated that anyone intervened in his (Gamefreak's) business.
>>59690097Gamefreak has so much backstage drama, considering it is a small studio with barely any competence to it.We can only wonder what wasn't in the leaks.
>>59690314gonna need some sources for the last two paragraphs of schizo posting
>>59690097>so assume he doesn't know basic turn of the decade knowledge you now take for grantedI wouldn't call the contents of that book basic knowledge to most western Pokemon fans (even the autists who frequent this board). Both during and long after Legends Arceus release there are still people on this board that think GF made the shrinking thing up for that game.
>>59690467There is 30 years of lore and backstage drama to catch up. Gamefreak is older than most game developers.We live in a bizarro world, where talented devs like Bioware lose control and end up bankrupting themselves, while Gamefreak remains stable.
>>59690105garbage mon
>>59691218Tons of controversial Ken Sugimori art.
>>59691218t. cartoon animal lover
