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Reminder that only browns have any qualms with the game's design choices. You don't want to be brown, do you?
>spellblade gets gate at 50, never gets soulbind, has no ports, has no exodus or emergency evacs, has no 15 second immunities or FD's, has no invis or illusionsthis is the most retardedly designed class I've ever seen, you are squishier than a rogue but with absolutely nothing to save your ass and not even a shred of utility outside of DPS. no wonder its bottom of the barrel along with archer.unironically these sorts of massive imbalances might make me take a break, albeit with me not even knowing if the game will be alive next time I check in.
>>3101416spellblade is the top dps so makes sense it has no utility
>>3101432Different anon, spellblade needs some utility. at very very least give it shroud of the magi and blink.
the real question is when is this game gonna add aoe spells for me and my homeboyzzz
>the resident dev ball washer is a geriatric sexpat who can't afford to fuck a white womancasual racists make me sick, I work hard to be a professional racist and I get lumped in with the same people who call you brown yet pay browns money to touch their shriveled circumcised penis
>>3101524Wdym, wizards and druids at the very least get some nukes. Fighter gets aoe melee attacks too, and Bard gets aoe damage songs. The capacity for aoe is there, it's just pure shit to play the game without mezzing adds and assist training down nerds one at a time because that's how we did it in eq
>>3101432it at bare minimum needs invis at level 8, the DPS isn't that good, it can't solo or anything.
>>3101541>and Bard gets aoe damage songs.source?
>>3101541bard doesn't get aoe damage songs, unlike in Everquest, because without exaggeration everything that was fun in Everquest is nerfed here in the name of friction.
>>3101547the dps cracks at 45, a geared spb will shred at 60
>>3101547how high the dps is has nothing to do with soloability in this game
spellblade is just a crappy enhance shaman
>>3101548>>3101559I guess I was wrong, I thought they did because of swarm kiting
>>3101564that's cool and all but it's more dependent on groups than enchanters, i can't even imagine playing a spellblade without a dedicated group of irl friends who coordinate constantly.
>>3101581That is every class but necro and bard though
>>3101581about the same as fighters and rogues. Spellblades get shields with low cooldowns and can just blow mana to not lose health. Pair that with high dps and they can solo in tight spaces while classes like rangers, necros, wizards, and druids need room to move around.
>>3101586i have bad news about their shields.
>>3101593shouldve used a twohander retards!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>3101593i mean you're not going to be cheesing even matched stuff but you need to kill lower stuff that you can't kite around that would fuck any non pet class over you can do it
the real reason to not play spellblade is high elves not being in. if wood elf class quests are any indication, your class quest will give you something retarded that will be BIS for 40 levels, like a sword that has lifetap or something.
Druids!
>>3101687need a major buff
>>3101687The worst class in the game
>>3101286imagine answering a poll that not only calls you a mutt but asks you to confirm the title. 21 of you should be ashamed of yourselves.
we don't realize it right now, but this will be the last thread
>>3101803I'll happily play with you faggots in Adrullan.
>>3101803We will live on in Adrullan Online
>>3101803but im not even level 30 yet...
>>3101816>>3101817>flash test before the upcoming testO_O
It'll never cease to be amusing just how much the few P99 raidtards left seethe over Quarm.
torn on if I want to continue levelling my necro or inquisitor, both are level 7 which I know isn't a high level but it took a decent amount of time to get there on both of them
>level 11 chanter>can't find groups?????????
>>3101977only a necro main would waffle this hard over a simple choice
>>3101939Quarm is dead too.
>>3101977Do you want to spend the rest of your life in duo camps because nobody wants your slow DPS or do you want to be the embodiment of desire?Also quiz takes skill. It's the least afk class in the game.
>>3101977why not both. use one to feed the other loot assuming you actually get any.
earlier someone had a breastplate for sale that wasnt even on the wiki, and it had really nice stats. it was called like river-iron rusted chestplate or something
>>3101934Tell me more I don't see anything on their site talking about a flash test
Would you kind gentlenons help me finish my shitty annotation of BTB's map, please? I'm still missing locations for>a Fellstone ritualist>a swarm leader>a frenzied ratman>an orc supplier>an acolyte of Visru>Bloodchain Champion
>>3102508Bloodchain Champion is in the room with 3 doors(W/S/NE) SE from the broken bridges/Gurowl.
>friends list full of people who largely liked the game is growing massively sparserthe fanbase can circle the wagons all they want, but if this continues much more nobody who isn't a NEET will be able to play due to LFG times spiraling into the multihour range.
>wood elf bard starter quest>go kill spiders to get batches of pixie dust among other things for the turn in>collect six eyes>heres ur pixie dust :^)>you need two for the questthe quests in this game are unironically some of the least fun ones I've ever seen in an MMO, and that's already a low bar.
>>3102603you don't understand, they just weren't True Believers so they are bad people who should go back to WoW already
>>3102603I saw 10 ppl in game the last 3 days quit in chat over corpse runs alone.20+ more unique names quiting in youtube comments bc of high level camping low level or the game just hating them too much even in tiny areas like the UI/UX.90% of the M&M streamers I've listened to quit after 1-2 weeks out of sheer boredom. After lvl 20-24 the grind becomes unbearable or the gameplay too boring idk just they report it becomes really boring. Maybe bc group wait times become too long.And seems at least 30% of all players in game ooc, yt channels, yt chat, and reddit since Day 1 are all going to unsub to play WoW Forever. They say they will come back later to check M&M out again. M&M will not be around anymore when they're done with WoW Forever.
>>3102633i just saw a guy quit bc shawn banned a few archers without any warning bc they used their bows according to their class ability strengths rather than reading shawn's mind how he wanted them to play. the fanboys got pretty angry at him and the youtuber who criticized the devs.
>>3102633the game already lost 27% of its subs and they expect 50% by the end of the month. they really went through all this work to recreate p99 including its total playerbase(probably less.)
>>3102647Ohhh i saw that too on the discord. I smiled when he said they cant use the excuse "this game isnt for you" when the people complaining are everquest veterans. The community is gonna be their own downfall. They say go back to wow but ironically thats actually where everyone is gonna goto. It'll be like everquest all over again when WoW comes out and everyone leaves.
>how was i supposed to know that using geometry to clearly bug out enemies from reaching me wasn't intended gameplaydarksydephil replacing his aq40 files
>>3102647I still can't believe that actually happened, the class literally has skills that mechanically encourage you to fire from both higher ground and concealed positions. The archers who got banned probably thought that they were playing the way the game intended, by killing enemies from unreachable places with clever positioning. Instead, like the anon who got banned for making spider silk hats, you just get fucked for actually coming up with clever things in the sandbox.
>>3102647i reported at least 5 of these guys btw
The amount of copper I need is fucking insane dude
>>3102651Me and my wife just canceled. I see tons of people canceling 2-5+ accounts together.>husband and wife>dad mom and two adult kids>five player buddies>entire guilds which planned to quit when WoW Forever comes out but quit 2 weeks earlyBut Shawn really likes high levels camping low level games!!>frictionSometimes I wonder if the only friction he likes is the friction or jacking off trolling a bunch of p1999 players by giving them exactly what they want then seeing it fail and everyone crying>>3102660Yea banning ppl bc they didnt play Everquest in 1999 and dont know what to expect from your niche game isnt the flex you think it is. The only person youre hurting is you by approving insane no-warning bans and driving away new players telling them to "get gud".All the people who unsub bc of the bad design you refuse to admit or the insane decisions by the devs or your toxic defensiveness? They arent hurt. They get to be happy bc they arent playing your game anymore.You are the only one hurt by them leaving. Your game is now smaller. Your wait times longer. Your population and funding dying. And 3-6 months from now you might not have a game bc you told everyone else you didnt want or need them.
>>3102674you didn't need to play everquest in 99 to realize that becoming functionally godmode was an unintended gameplay element. also i am not hurting because like you i hate the devs of this game. i just don't care about people who blatantly cheated in a manner that was obviously exploitative and unintended.
>>3102660you're still sperging out about this? just accept that you and the devs are in the wrong, the devs even had to release a massive damage control statement about this.
>>3102668That doesnt matter. It doesnt make me mad you reported them despite them being innocent. It isnt a flex worth doing either.You dont matter.The high level 30 in a levep 8 camp who /tell you "This is my camp. Play nice or I report!" are jerks yes but they dont matter.The asshole players arent the problems.The devs who say this is intended so get gud but then that isnt intended so ban.The subscribers who cancel or call their credit card company to do a chargeback refund bc Shawn expects you to read his mind on how to play properly.That's the issues.
something that has been striking to me from lurking in the community spaces for this game has been that outside of maybe this thread, almost every single frothing defender for the game is maybe level 20 max currently and is talking authoritatively about flat delusional shit like about how rangers can solo and everything is fine and dandy.
>>3102681>you didn't need to play everquest in 99 to realize that becoming functionally godmode was an unintended gameplay elementWhat is it like going through life with this hard of an intellectual disability?A professional company taking money needs to form their policy around the concept of "What if this is the person's very first video game, ever?" Assuming some weird niche norm from MMO games made in the 90's when this is INTENDED GAMEPLAY for most singleplayer games, is just freakin deranged.Why not just offer to blow Shawn if youre this upset over criticism of his deranged no-warning bans?Oh wait...is your intellectual disability why you love M&M? A NEET on disability who is fine with losing 7 out of 24 hrs a day and always angry wanting someone banned for something bc you are born disabled. Nevermind.
>NEETs in Disability payments arent rich enough to fund your dream mmorpguh oh I think Shawn is in trouble guys...
>>3102713Nobody installing monsters and memories is playing their first video game ever. >" Assuming some weird niche normLots of modern mmorpgs have ways to prevent this exact scenario from happening. Its usually by introducing jank of letting mobs clip through geometry or gain extended reach or just rapidly regenerating when its not possible to navigate to the target. Personally I think they failed by not solving it mechanically but I can get "why" these retards did that. It is immersion breaking to have your faggot swashbuckler run through the void to hit you.>professionalYou are the idiot who got banned for botting aren't you? You struggle with the concept of fairness because you are spiritually indian and don't see an issue with something that is self evident cheating. I know you are stupid but you could at least read the part of the post where I said I don't like this game or at least infer it from my dislike of the devs.
>>3102729>Nobody installing monsters and memories is playing their first video game ever.anon was right about your intellectual disability. corporate policy being written as if thats the case is good policy. he wasnt saying thats the case retard lul
>>3102729you m&m fanboys seem extra retarded
>>3102735are you guys also the same morons who think you got robbed when you cant say the n word in a videogame? there is no need for assumptions of innocence or ignorance when it comes to certain things. selling your spider hat for 10x what it cost to make is clearly not intended when everything else is a net loss.
>>3102713>A NEET on disabilitymother fucker i had nothing to do with this!
all the complaining about camping, and bad behavior, and friction.and I can only wonder, how is it that despite this I simply can no longer find groups? if I was schizophrenic I would wonder if I somehow got shadowbanned in game, but no, half my friends list appears to no longer come online over the past 3 days.
>people are defending the Archer bansIsn't this supposed to be a classic era sandbox MMO? Cliff sniping was a core part of the hunter experience in RO.
>>3102758devs must never have played in Black Burrow or Velks Lab. you can cliff snipe the hell out of things in those places and its almost impossible not to.
>>3102758this game isn't a sandbox MMO, it's a nothing simulator. it exists as a purely contrarian endevor, created by psueds who don't actually play the product they design for despite much bluster, shaped by a playerbase addled by nostalgia for a past that has become so warped it has drifted from reality."We did that in EQ" is the retort, until they nerf classes wholesale in the name of friction. "Go back to WOW" is the insult, until they lift entire systems from it in the name of friction. And so it goes, this game is quite literally not designed to be played by humans. The experience is so viscerally unpleasant and unfun that it's meant to exist as an object that people can gesture to as a "Real Gamer" credential.. It's a thinkpiece, a piece of artistic excess and wankery, and aside from the Star Citizen like fanbase it will be remembered a year from now exclusively in the framing of cautionary tales.
one of you absolutely got banned for being a moral fiber lacking shithead. oh my days.
>>3102774>oh my days
>>3102758What really blows me the fuck away is how they have literal skills that reward you for shooting from a high place, but when they can't code a monster to pursue you to a high place, that's your fault for being a bug exploiterTheir chums who were killing mobs that had half the hp of normal a week into the game and bullying everyone else out of the zone? That's fine, we just had to change the mobs (read: pull up the ladder) as soon as they were done, is all
>>3102713>A professional company taking money needs to form their policy around the concept of "What if this is the person's very first video game, ever?"No, they don't.
>>3102774niggers will never be humandie mad about it
>>3102783please don't be so mean to yourself nonny.
>>3102786did you genuinely think this was witty enough to post? i'd be embarrassed if this was the best i could do desu
>>3102788u are rubber. i am glue. im not banned unlike you.
>>3102796genuinely i think it'd be a kindness to be banned from mnm, nobody should subject themselves to an anti-game like thisi just got a refund instead, maybe i should have went down slinging n bombs but truthfully i was just appalled that they actually shipped this fucking game in this state
>>3102742>devs banned a guy for selling a hat he crafted for too much money>devs banned multiple archers for playing as archers were intended to be played>devs made a game clone of a gam3 which half its core design is the fun of players exploiting the game to get massive advantages>biggest hot button issue is everyone furious high levels exploit low levels>n-no but not THAT kind of exploit! only the exploits i want!I dont get it bc it isnt even consistent.
>>3102660some mmos literally just let to kill enemies with ranged attacks where they are incapable of hitting you its actually not a good argument to say you should know getting an enemy stuck on terrain is not allowed.
>>3102782>devs should warn players who are unaware of the rules instead of banning them instantly for not reading shawns mindWhy do people like you exist? I dont get it. What is the point of dick riding shawn when he hates you?
>>3102872He doesn't hate me, I'm not a cheater.
>>3102866BANNED WITHOUT WARNINGNext time, you need to think twice before refusing to mindread Shawn by sucking his cock on stream.
>>3102876>You have been banned.>Reason: You didnt play the way I imagined.>GM TravisJust wait it's already happening.
>>3102866yes we know ragnarok lets your archer shoot mobs from inaccessible positions because they couldn't figure out how to fix the path finding or didn't see this as an issue. name five other mmorpgs that let you do this bonus points if they're not from 2000. the reality is as the other anon unintentionally explained anybody can see this is clearly not intended. if a named spawns and doesn't actually attack you back its obviously not something intended. "what if it was their first game"- even a child in a single player game would be able to extrapolate this scenario and put himself in the other position and realize something unfair is occurring. these things are not very complicated unless you drink cow piss.
>>3102888The more you whine, the more I'm sure the PNP is a good idea. Apparently, it's very effective at filtering out brown people.
>>3102893We did that in EQ.
>>3102900>leave in an obvious exploit to catch all the nonwh*tes who somehow got past the monthly fee because you know they are too stupid to avoid iti kneel shawngawd
>>3102910>u are rubber. i am glue>iYou know you're not fooling anyone, right?
>>3102893Ultima Online allowed this hard. Teleport to spot. Kill high level wyrm as newbie. Win.DAoC allowed this with PvP. Archers and Wizards killed every melee class who approached the wall with full immunity.You seem like a retard.
>>3102913the game is simple, you can play it with one hand while eating a sandwich. but you would dare to come and do such a profane act that allowed you to eat a sandwich with two hands?
>>3102893>anybody can see this is clearly not intended.>even a child in a single player game would be able to extrapolate this scenariothis might be the dumbest post ive read all week
>>3102927>game from 1998 >pvp gameyeah and shadowbane let me walk through or fly over walls what is your point retard. it is almost like that was a deliberate design decision.
>>3102934>name other games where this wasnt an exploit >lists multiple games pre 2000>w-whats ur point?!?!?!Retardation. Cope.
>>3102970you could only name two and one of them was one of the first graphical mmorpgs in existence and the other clearly intended for the interacton to happen between two players.the issue isn't that the pathfinding or geometry doesn't work, its that it creates and rewards non gameplay. its obviously broken to anybody with a functioning brain.
>>3102766>created by psueds who don't actually play the product they designThis is the biggest issue with mnm. Shawn doesn't make a game he wants to play he makes a game he imagines he wants to play without actually doing so.
I don't think I can continue sisters, my class is so fucking dogshit I literally can't play the really hard 50+ content without being carried by a real healer who doesn't actually need me there. Druid is plain unviable in ALL game modes at these levels.t. lvl 49 dudu
>>3102603>>3102633Not to dick ride but if they took out all the painful parts and focused on player retention wouldn't it turn into another theme park? It's probably better for them to focus on big updates that get media exposure so they can slowly build a larger audience of masochistic autists instead of catering to shitters.
consolidate your beans
>Smoke buffs me with SoW without asking every time I approach west bank on Vesp>have to beg for up to 10-15minutes on Trem and they all ask for 1-2s tipVespyra is for men, Trem is for boys
>>3103022I love you and want you to re-roll and park your dudu until they furnish you with lavish buffs and new/reworked abilities
>>3103118i never ask for sow and people sow meyou are showing weakness by asking and this is why they charge youyou have to not care whether you are sowed or not
>>3103274"Be free of the mental shackle that is 'Wont'ing' a SoW"
>>3103118Trem is for fagsFtfy
>>3103022I stopped playing my wizard at 38I don't really care anymoreGuild is a clique of stream riders. Not in the clique not in the groupThey took a second SK instead of a wizard for DPS because I'm not a twitch faggot. Wizard is fine btw. High DPS. I can generally get a group if I want. I can take wizard to 60. I just don't want to. WoW is just more fun. Gearing in this game is unmitigated AIDS. It would be less so if any of the loot tables were thought out. It's not hard to predict that the people making groups only think about what they need. Most of my groups so far were to farm nameds for what the group leader wanted. Almost never caster DPS gear on any of it. A BTB like dungeon for 25-50 would have been highly welcome.
They boasted about being self funded, then in desperation for a pay day, officially released this game way sooner than they should have. Early Release blah blah. Shouldn't have taken the money then. Not my problem. Can't have it both ways.
Spellblade and archer both need a bit of a revamp. Archer's trait should just be a 5% damage bonus regardless of height. Traps should stack higherMelee/ranged DPS should be brought more in line with caster DPS. The hit/miss table for physical damage should be +2, far fewer misses and more consistent damage with stats scaling appropriately.
>>3103341it should be a 25% damage bonus when abovemake it really part of the class
>>3103328It's not an early release and you're not a customer. You're just a member of the public who chose to pay for the privilege of being a tester on their development server. They don't owe you anything.
>>3103359Top of the morning to ye Shawn.
>>3103359The moment you start asking for my money in any capacity you become a business and i become customer if i choose to pay you. If i deem your product shit i will refund it and make sure to smear it on any and all platforms i frequent. Seethe.
>>3103365I'm not shawn but if I was I'd have access to data you don't which would show that statistically nothing you care about is a real problem. If you're one of the players who gets churned that'll be in line with what we already expected.
>>3103118choosing easy mode over hard mode is certainly a choice. not one made by men though.
>>3103369You voided the right to become a customer when you agreed to the multiple disclaimers warning you otherwise.
>goddess of knowledge server population feels like its been halved>even friday morning is dead>buddy sent me a tell las night saying it feels like the server pop has taken a hit already>its not even the 4th yetThey are prob going to need to merg the servers by the end of next month aren't they
I can't speak to the veracity of the playerbase shrinking, but these threads sure have slowed to a fucking crawl.
>>310362190% of the posts in this thread are:>thats how we did it in eq>this game is not for you>cant wait for tourists to leaveand it makes sense because by level 25 you've basically experienced everything it has to offer. the numbers go up but nothing changes, most classes aren't getting new tools and there seems to be no engaging content outside of maybe raids.
>>3103022Not to rub salt in it but… what were you thinking at character creation lmao? Did you go in blind or something?
>>3103658clearly wanted the most op character to play and got burned hard that it didnt end up to be as op as they wanted. i dont feel bad for them at all.
Elementalist might be the most slept on class, tf, I want one of these in every group I host now desu
>>3103628We did that in EQ
>>3103658My trio was low on damage and in need of a healer so I picked the healer that claimed it did the most damage while healing. It does not.
>>3103796lmao, why did you think ds would outdamage fucking haste?or even the new clerci procs
>>3103796should have read the spell list sis, the writing was on the wall from the start.
>>3103796What’s the rest of your trio?
>still have a week or two left on my sub>can't be bothered to log in anymoreWriting up a GM petition reminding the jannies they do it for free sounds more fun than actually playing the game now.
>>3103826ds was insanely strong in eq but they seem to have played it very safe here with how inflated hp numbers get
>>3102457one of the admins mentioned it in discord (because these upcoming servers for the actual test are brand-new)
>>3103025>Not to dick ride but if they took out all the painful parts and focused on player retention wouldn't it turn into another theme park? If you werent a dickrider and just turned on your brain for one second, you'd realize there are literally thousands of ways they could keep the core ethos intact while fixing the problem. It's literally almost effortless for a real game designer to fix these problems to keep it hardcore everquest "friction" while also pleasing all the "dirty casuals" too.Even more retarded is the fact this is a MMORPG that already has 5 servers, two with super special rulesets. If they just added a Casual server, the 90% of normies playing the superior version of the game would pay literal millions to keep the hardcore (normal) server populated and thriving. But like most indies they're financially irresponsible or outright retarded with the false dillema of "cater to them ruining our game or go bankrupt".Btw you are doing the false dilemma fallacy too along with another fallacy where you pretend as if all the people complaining are WoW kiddies who want carebear mode.Those complaining ARE the Everquest veterans and P1999 players.
>>3103359Early Access does not exist. This is a made up term developers use to cope with the fact they arent ready for release when they release.Data proves it. No real gamedev believes Early Access is real bc the data says you only get 1 release and it's utterly irrelevant what synonym for release you hse on your page.
Shawn, you're cooked.
>>3103930Well, which casuals? The ones who want instanced dungeons, but don’t want teleport / sow npcs? The ones who want teleport/ sow npcs, but don’t want corpse runs? Etc.
adrullan online adventures
get these fat FUCKING OGRES out of my face
>>3103930>as if all the people complaining are WoW kiddies who want carebear mode.kek i posted some reddit screencap of a guy specifically mentioning how he was going back to LOTRO and how MnMers only ever mention WoW when they receive critique then some faggot immediately replied asking about WoW lmao>>3099705>>3099737
>>3103990i hope trolls are extra wide just for you bitch
>>3102781>killing mobs that had half the hp or normalwho was doing this and what were the mobs?
I thought everyone knew druid was just a “starter character”, to help you twink actually good classes?
>>3104057we told them how it was in eq and they didn't listen. druid just ends up being a newbie ass wiper or a debuff bot in a raid. them not getting a group heal is some insane shit though.
>>3103877>ds was insanely strong in eqFor power leveling alts and not much else.
Slow got as high as 70% in EQ before the devs finally realized the ability was completely busted, and had to design all subsequent content with it being auto-resisted.
>>3104091this is just blatantly wrong. ds was unbelievably strong and it was the crux of efficient exp/farming outside of chanter/wizard stacking nonsense.
>>3104123it was strong in single target and it was strong in raids too. the only way you could possibly believe what you said is viewing everything through the lens of enchanter charm bullshit. if you think DS was weak you have never actually looked at a parse in that game ever. ds sweeps all the way from level 1 and never stops being good.the problem with druid is they sucked ass when it came to group composition.
>>3104123>unbelievably strong>level 60 druid DS: 32 damage>level 60 mage DS: 35 damage>anything getting tanked is getting slow>50% minimum, 70% if shaman/enchanter>tank gets hit once per second>unbelievably strong
>>3104254like i said, you have never opened a parse in your life. a better question is did you ever even play everquest? are you not aware that every tank clicks has a stacking potion ontop of that with bard ds? if you have played everquest you are an embarrassment and arguing common knowledge about a game that has been essentially solved for years. yes DS is strong and you are bad and dumb.
>>3104272i hear you, u can tell this nigga >>3104254 never raced for vulak or trakanon lol
>another exp group where the SHM is stood up meleeing and the CLR is sat down occasionally standing to healShould this be the other way around since CLR has the godlike proc chance to delete a mob? The fuck? Let the SHM sit and mainheal/buff with consuming pact and CLR should be swinging?
>>3104357Cleric heals are insanely mana hungry and usually take like a fifth of your bar.
Good morning trannies! Just couldn't stay away from shitting on a game you don't play anymore, huh? Excuse me while I have a good time, I'll check the thread again in like 6 hours after the two of you get your third HRT doses in.
uh oh, cultist meltie!
>>3103987>I am so retarded, I can't even fathom how you fix a problem without ruining a design. Must be impossible if the first people who did it 30 years ago didn't solve the problem before it existed.You are so fucking retarded, I don't even know what to say.The "casuals" you deride are Everquest Veterans who played P1999. Fucking retard. They barely want the game changed, just some QOL fixes and for it to respect your time or, god forbid, the design from 1999 to be IMPROVED instead of copied even with flaws.Yall so fucking retarded.>>3104474You won't be having a good time when 6 months from now the game doesn't exist because you drove away all the EQ Veterans and P1999 fans by refusing to fix the game.
I need them to remove the tradeskill windows from the game. Every item must be placed manually into the tradeskill container. No autocombines.
I give up, it's literally impossible to play as a deep elf enchanter while staying below ground. Maybe you could during launch when the playercounts were like 4 times higher in these zones, but it's ballcrushingly painful now.
being a tank is suffering
>the boomer who calls people ITT who dislike the current direction of the game brown while (attempting) bragging about being a sexpat who pays for sex with brown women is now calling people trannieswhat level of mental illness is this?
>>3104590I know.The gear grind sucks even if there's a lot of availability. Finding the group and actually sitting down to do it is suffering.The Gacha Gear grind is extreme suffering.Playing a tank is fun. The rest? Not so much.
>>3104584all roads lead to the greet
>>3104612i'm not even high enough for SGS, I'm just trying to find groups at level 6 in UD so I don't want to kms and spend 3 hours gaining two levels in which I nearly die to green mobs (charm is dead btw anyone who try to say otherwise is a LYING FAGGOT). but there's jack shit here. shoulda made a fucking elementalist, i could probably have reached level 20 in the time it took me to do this slop.
>>3104635nobody in the easy side of midden for you?
>>3104599He's actually retarded. He can't even follow the logic of a schoolyard taunt. See:>>3102796
>>3104659BM these days at peak hours has a population of like 30 people (dropping to 10 in off peak hours), all of which are either out of level range or are solo camping named mobs. It's a far cry from the 100+ that would be on there even a week ago, and a shame because it's the best newbie dungeon in the game.
>>3104371and yet they are the most mana efficient heals in the game
>early access mmo>sub requiredNigga what? I was tempted to try it until I read this
>>3104675im glue because im stuck playing this game.
>>3104709No more free beta access like in the 2000s.
ever meet someone in a group who is such an uncharismatic sperg that you end up leaving within 5 minutes and ignoring them?first time that has happened in the game for me.
>>3104904well? give us the details, baka.
>>3104904ive met uncharismatic spergs but i dont leave unless theyre also incompetent
>>3104904some retard was bragging about leveling from 1-11 off newbie yard mobs in a WHOLE 7 hours (i know lol, with a similar group doing dungeon content you can do this in like half the time) only while I was trying to level an alt. he was sperging out constantly, died randomly and then bereated the group (of mostly level 3 newbies), had an autism attack over the archer setting a camp down 10 feet away from his ~optimal~ location, and more.i was initially curious if I had played with his main since we were both alts, but he became super cagey when I asked for its name and then (because of course he's a sperglord) started going on about how it's "a badass 52 ench", while still refusing to give character name. at this point I had had enough, the xp was mid, and I was getting the feeling that whatever main he had was banned for either some sort of rule violations or was a verbotten blacklisted name, and so I left.
>>3104972>>3104928whoops, forgot to include you. but yeah, definitely the most bizarre experience I've had in the game so far, and aside from another similar sperg who immediately after being invited to an AC group started accusing us of being "democrats" for asking for invis and had a meltdown, the only blemish on grouping I've had in like 50 hours of playtime.
>>3104977>aside from another similar sperg who immediately after being invited to an AC group started accusing us of being "democrats" for asking for invis and had a meltdown, the only blemish on grouping I've had in like 50 hours of playtime.Trem? Because I've had the exact same sperg on there somehow.
>>3104972>>3104977sounds like an annoying fagthanks for including me xoxo
>>3104980yes! the "you guys sound like democrats" guy may be an actual case of boomer dementia in all fairness, as opposed to the probably blacklisted or banned moron I encountered an hour ago.
>>3104972>>3104904>>3104977>>3104980I just went back to check while chopping shroomwood on my main and>the group broke within the houri guess people had enough of retard-kun as wellhis name was "Addiktion" or something similar if any of you want to know and avoid.
>>3104357If they both don’t need to sit (the cleric stands every 10 seconds to holy strike), one of them should be kicked.
>>3105262are you one of those retards that doesn't understand that the most efficient cleric heals are the delayed ones, and that to prevent overhealing it's necessary to wait until people are at half life?
>>3105314If you don’t need to med, either the content is too easy or you have too many healers.
>>3105342>the ideal is for healers to be working like slaves and always barely have enough manano wonder nobody plays cleric past level 40 when this is the group mentality.
So if soloability for every class (besides necro and bard) drops off a cliff between 20-30, what exactly is Beastmaster's niche now?
>>3105377If you think your dps is worth a damn (which is how you were playing), you’ll have no problems soloing.
>>3104709>>3104824>we totally don't need money and will continue to develop the game regardless>no we can't delay early access any longer despite game being clearly not ready for it because we need moneyGet used to devs being absolute hypocrites.
>sub 500 people online
>>3105401barely 600 on trem! the elf areas combined have 110 players!at what point does the epic group focused game cease to be playable due to there simply being no groups?
>>3105410What are you talking about? I just checked Trem and it's over 1600.
>>3105431Just think of how many it would be if they weren’t coping and seething about being circumcised goycattle Jew slaves and gave us regional pricing.
>>3105458
On a scale of 1 to 10, how over is it?
>inquisitor is literally a better enchanter than enchanter in virtually every way>enchanter buffs are all done better by other classes or become irrelevent (i.e bard mezzing better than enchanters and often having better buffs, ranger being the ultimate mana fill up, mana regen not holding up at higher levels when your bar numbers in the thousands)>enchanter mezes get resisted often with +100 cha gear at higher levels while bards mez never failsthe class balance in this game is so staggeringly fucked up that I genuinely do not think it can be repaired at this point. the game, despite EA, is basically launched. they need to buff classes to the level of the best ones, or at least close, but instead they're going to just keep nerfing different things into the dirt at random.I hate to do the "we did that in EQ", but it's shaping up to be a situation where even that game had better balance.
>>3105494Their class balance guy abandoned ship ~8 months ago. It's only going to get worse.
>>3105494EQ is better than mnm in pretty much everything except for graphics and visual character customization.
>>310548311
>>3105503I didn't know that, or much about the development of this game and only got into it because my husband was playing it in beta. But it absolutely tracks. I've made alts for about half the classes and leveled them a bit since launch, and some of these are just crazy bad, or crazy OP. Elementalists instead of getting any immunity/FD/evacs get a 10 second elemental transformation that has been bugged for over a year apparently? The entire current state of enchanters? Spellblades despite being squishier than rogues get gate at 50, and have no evacs, ports, soulbind, or even invis for corpse runs/getting to groups? Druids are not able to solo at all in any way and are overall useless? Archer players get banned for using their brain and shooting at enemies from high ground ramp mazes that let them down things before being reached?none of it bodes well imo.
>>3105503what happen
>>3105530I don't know the details. My understanding is they put out a corprorate / dry "Nick will no longer be working with us" type announcement. Meanwhile, Nick left his stream open for 8 hours+ with just a loop of a can being kicked down the road. Nothing else was made public, to my knowledge. He used to be listed as one of the founding members of NWC. Best guess would be he wasn't 110% onboard with The Vision™
>>3104709the devs wanted to cash in before WoW Forever takes all the people they told to play that game instead of their own. total projection.
>>3105503Is that really a bad thing if he was developing the classes for 5 years and they're still this dog shit? This is probably the only mmo I've played that manages to have 0 skill expression.
>>3103954This. "Early access" is literally just a marketable way of saying you are paying to play a game that isn't ready for release. Imagine if you applied the same concept to other things in life. Imagine buying and moving into a house before any of the electrical, plumbing, or drywall was installed. Imagine getting a pie before it was baked in the oven. It's retarded cope. They blew their wad and released before it was ready and now their boomertopia is going to wither and die like every other dumbass p99
>>3105530retarded nick faggot coping probably, his """balance"""" was literally copy pasting p99 wiki
>Sharty nigger replying to himself again
>>3105431Baby's first attempt at concern trolling.
How the fuck do I actually enter Blind Midden? It's the blue cavern passage next to the Wizard platform, right? Every time I've gone there's just a bare wall blocking me and no zone line
>>3105612it's called Blind Midden, close your eyes before walking through
>>3105538Didn't this Nick fella want every class to have a pet?
>>3105612>It's the blue cavern passage next to the Wizard platform, right?nigger, what the FUCK are you talking about? Where did you get that from? It's behind the waterfall in the newbie yard
>>3105641Mnmatlas is cucking my negroid ass I guess
>>3105538>The VisionYou mean selling alpha slots.
>>3105378melee elementalist
>>3105378>what exactly is Beastmaster's niche now?It's good dps and up until the high 40s at least the pet can tank (easily with slow) named. A bit twitchy with threat on spellbaldes. Always like one in a group.Higher it is still good dps and an offtank.T.shaman.
>>3105538your understanding is wrong and retardednick was shitcanned from the team for being an useless leech who did no real work and sold alpha keys in his twitch stream
What’s funny is the jobs most able to break game mechanics like bard or monk get complained about being “op” the least.
redpill me on elementalist
>>3105881are you familiar with windfury totem from wow?
>>3105881your pets each have a unique party buff and you afk while they play the game for you.
>>3105835>nick was shitcanned from the team for being an useless leech who did no real workAccording to who?Is this another "faildev reveals himself" moment?
its over...
>want to join group>have to spend an hour while the group either fights their way out, has a slot open, sends someone to invis, or ten other layers of bullshitno wonder this game only appears to boomers, nobody else has the free time to waste doing literally nothing.
>>3105945you don't have to play it. this game isn't about fast paced, high octane rat racing. Once you get to endgame and realize you have literally fuck all to do now, you'll regret going as fast as you could.
>>3105888they could have taken spellblade and gave it the air elemental's aura and you'd have nhance shaman from wow
>>3105945yeah. literally just now>oh yippie i'm gonna play monsters and memories, I have an hour and a half free!>fren I leveled with from early is online>message, slot opening soon>the group is at the bottom of the dungeon, i don't have invis>nobody seems to want to gate out to get me, so they say they'll fight their way out>...>...>40~ minutes elapse>finally they say they'll evac to a nearby zone>...>70 minutes have now passed of my free hour and a half>they have just gotten to zone entrance>tell them I gotta do stuff and bailI mean for fucks sake, what exactly is the intended design goal here? A game only playable by NEETs? I have more free time usually than most and this experience still left a sour enough taste in my mouth that I'm considering dropping my main in favor of a solo capable class just to circumvent this egregious time wasting bullshit.
>>3105982>you don't have to play itBy all metrics, that's exactly what most people are not going to do lmao
>>3105928Please stop asking questions and just trust the cropped discord screenshot.
>>3105982I'm not asking for fucking high octane rat racing. I'm asking for not having my time utterly wasted with literally nothing to show for it. At least I should be able to solo a bit while spending hours waiting for groups, then waiting for said groups to get their shit together, but no, muh precious group focused game (70% playerbase of necros, beastmasters and eles btw) is sacrosanct.
>>3105928>nick is part of the team for years>no work on classes is done at all, literal p99 copy pastes>he gets fired>classes have to be hastily revamped in a few months>ea launch had to be delayed for months too just to clean up the mess nick left
do both necro and ele pets scale?
i was just looking at the class forums and saw a post from a month ago saying that only two people on the entire development team have ever leveled a class past 30.was the whole making a game they want to play thing bullshit?
>>3106022>ea launch had to be delayed for months too just to clean up the mess nick leftNigger these clowns can barely patch their game without causing their servers to catch fire, is that his fault too?whatever happened with Nick, I can confidently assert that the current team has no clue what the fuck they are doing
>>3106055>was the whole making a game they want to play thing bullshit?It literally always is
>>3106002it's all part of the experience, if you want a theme park play world of warcraft, it will respect your time a lot more.
>>3106055explains why the classes stop developing after 25 beyond a couple token abilities.>>3106056i looked this guy up to see who he was and found videos of him from 8 months ago talking and talking about changes he wants to make to classes and 0 of them are implemented at all.
>>3106055There's not a single mmorpg dev that has ever leveled a toon to max lvl in their own game
>>3106068all the people playing this game competitively like if they didn't go ham on leveling and reach max level ASAP and just farm all the high end shit to sell on the NH auction channel they would be missing out are playing it wrong. slow levelhave a good time with friendsdiscover new campsmeet new peoplehelp others outvsloot nigger goblin who needs everything that drops because his gear is shit no friendsantisociallevel 30 solo camping wyrmsbane shit on your tardromancer
There are parts of the game I really enjoy like the forced socialization, atmosphere and lack of hand holding but the more I play it the more it feels like a game that uses grinding to cover up for the lack of content and unfinished classes. If the remaining population that doesn't unsub is enough to support the gameplay, what's going to happen when they burn out, hit level cap or get bored of their alts? I don't trust blizzard and would prefer for this to work out but I think I'm going to need to see some big constructive patches to convince me to stay long term.
>>3106137>If the remaining population that doesn't unsub is enough to support the gameplay, what's going to happen when they burn out, hit level cap or get bored of their alts?the problem with games like this is they have literally no future proofing or newbie onboarding plansthey will shout to high heavens that its a good thing when newbies quit because they dont want to spend hundreds of hours leveling by themselves actuallythese cultish locusts then inevitably leave when the corpse of the game they devoured isn't "fresh" enough (read: has enough people actively playing for them to enjoy the experience)they never have the self awareness to put two and two together
>>3106137>but the more I play it the more it feels like a game that uses grinding to cover up for the lack of content and unfinished classes.welcome to everquest. half the classes are objectively bad and it didn't get fixed for a long time. "hard" content was almost entirely just tank and spanks for the first 3-4 expansions.>what's going to happen cliqueification happens, most of the players stay at top level, some roll alts and go to the most optimal places possible while 80% of the world is dead and empty. you have occasional new players sneak in and have fun for the first 20 levels before realizing they have noone to play with and unsubbing.> big constructive patcheswe couldn't even get a loom for 3 weeks and the two attempts at it crashed and burned.
>>3106137it has the content it has, you're not limited to the NH grinding track, and there are several other ways you can level up. People are just brain rotten NPCs, it's the exact same on FFXI.
>>3106159yeah my guild cliqued hard, now it's just the core and the leftovers, and i have to fend for myself because I'm not sucking the main guy's dick on Twitch and he doesn't want to share gear with me either.
People are playing Shaman wrong. It's a red mage class, drops a 50% slow, drops necromancer-tier DOTs, and can put out AOE backup heals. It's like a hybrid necro/chanter/healer class that is highly underrated, and it can't do any of these things when it's stuck as a solo cure bomber.
>>3106173guild/streamer name?
>>3106174so just like redmage it got optimized into being the more efficient healer who also brings amazing buffs(and debuffs) to the party? nothing new here. put that sword away lil niggy. we don't like hybrid functionality around here *spits on nearby druids corpse*
>>3106186devs shit on cannibalize, so playing it hybrid is the meta
meanwhile cuckromancer barely does more dps than a shaman, doesnt get slow, basically worthless dead weight.
for sdk, is it better to tank groups or solo? I hit lvl 7 and now its much harder to kill white mobs. I know next level though i get a pet so idk
>>3106165I prefer the underground and have been grinding all over the place. My issue is that there's nothing outside of camping. Maybe that's how we did it in everquest but the world feels very lots to see little to do.
It feels really nice to be a druid and be a valued member of a group!
>>3106231you are a tank and will be grouping forever after level 17 or something. start now. your pet is borderline worthless.
>>31062323 manning everything is far more fun than 6 manning
>>3106212necromancer has a pet that does nearly as much damage as an ele pet, heals the entire group for each hit, transfers mana, transfers health, summons lifestones, can pull with FD, can tank with pet, has invis, has a 15 sec immunity that lets you gate out, has lifetaps, and more that I'm probably forgetting.shaman doesn't win in this context except in a few narrow domains, sorry.this isn't me saying this to shit on shaman either, quite frankly I'd like all the classes to feel as "good" as necro does, but these devs are retarded nofuns who don't play their game so they're just going to nerf everything into the ground.
I've been considering playing a pet class for a week now and so far the consensus I've heard seems to be that Elementalist starts strong, ezmode even but eventually ends up turning into hot garbage for both groups and solo play post 30-40 while Necro starts 'ok' and only ramps up in power until it feels better and better.
>>3106304I'd take a 50% slow over a pet tank even if the pet is a raid boss
>>3106331Snares are pretty useless as soon as you hit a dungeon or cramped camp, which is often.
>>3101286What's with retards inviting people in the wrong zone to their groups? I've had group leaders say "I got a guy" like 3 times, and then we sit around waiting for "a guy" to find where we're at only for it turn out they were in the wrong zone the whole time because nobody ever checks or mentions where the fuck anyone is.Like, nigger, if you're in Night Harbor, don't invite people on the other side of the planet, and if you do, make sure everyone's clear about what zone the group is meant to be happening in.Maybe this is only a problem at lower levels.
>>3106466every other time I put LFG to on this happens to me. i'll be in AV and some guy in SGS will message me asking if I want to group. it's like... no? that's a 30 minute boat ride on top of run time?
>>3106304Necro is the solo class, sorry. Everything you're mentioning is either a mediocre version of something another class does better, or something that's strictly only useful for you. Necromancer is great, but I don't want to group with them.Hell, you rolled a necro BECAUSE you wanted to be a self-sufficient. The price is that you fucking suck in groups. Sorry, but I'd rather take an actual DPS. Wizard, Archer, Spellblade, Rogue, Beastmaster, Elementalist, Necromancer. That's what DPS groups want in order of priority. Shit can change a little based on what the composition is, but the pet classes all pay a tax in being fundamentally crappier in groups.
>>3105494Being an Inquisitor is so based. It's so goddamn strong, the only problem is you have to actually be being attention the entire time, slamming your tab button and monitoring everything like a hawk, especially because pugs rarely communicate, and even if they do, reading text in combat is another layer of the matrix you have to see through. Every time I'm grouped up for a few hours I get a migraine.At least Enchanters can be lazy assholes that just sort of stand there.
>>3106480elementalist is actually further up there, the wind elemental particularly is almost a requirement if you have a melee DPS heavy group
>>3106472If they even bother telling you what zone you need to be in. I was also in Ail'vorith, and a guy had me running in circles for like 30 minutes trying to guide me to their camp only for it to turn out they were in Underdocks the whole time.
>>3106486>enchanters can be lazy assholesfrom what I understand due to just how weak enchanters currently are, they've been reduced to casting buffs for groups and then pulling.
>>310642950% slow not snare
I have bad news for everyone. A little birdie told me that necro, ele and beast pets are going to get nerfed into the dirt in an upcoming patch. The reasoning is apparently twofold, the first part being undergeared tanks bitching about how earth elementals or skeletons with pacts that sacrifice 40% of a necros life are apparently better at tanking than they are.The second part is maybe even more out of touch. Put bluntly, soloing to the devs is too "easy" currently, and they want to make it so that soloing as a pet class is unoptimal, miserable, and generally time consuming compared to grouping. As such, pet surviviability across the board in particular and DPS to a lesser degree is going to be decreased; the stated goal is to have both necros and eles only able to solo a light blue at the cost of all their mana and most of their health.
https://monstersandmemories.miraheze.org/wiki/Boots_of_SpeedJboots plz and ty
>>31065976 wizards with a knock back rotation
>>3106597thats cool and all but when are you going to buff inq damage. also what about shadowknights and beastmasters
>>3106597does this little birdie work at nintendo or does he perhaps own a dealership?
>>3106705the nice thing about volunteer dev teams is that they're leaky ships
It's a shame they didn't get any volunteer PR people because the developer they're using as the face of the game is really uncharismatic and makes them look bad.
>>3106597Solo necro got first 60 over sweaty statics, of course it's gonna be nerfed
>>3106754Reading Trent's discord updates makes me actively not want to play the game. What a sarcastic self-righteous twat. I haven't played in a week or so as my Grandpa died. Then when the patch landed I thought "hm okay maybe now" and then they fucked that up for days (Deep Elf player here), then seeing Trent's passive-aggressive bullshit. The weird camp rules are strange too. You expect people to know this shit intrinsically? This is starting to remind me of HAZE server from NWN for anyone who has experience thatLevel 16 DE Wizard not entirely sure if I should login again. idk
>>3107043its not going to hurt you to take a break until the game looks once again appealing. keep the game installed and check in every once in a while you know? especially if you have responsibilities regarding your recent loss.
what are the servers coming down for why is this information not posted anywhere in their forum or website?
>>3107061Yeah, I guess I just worry about missing the playerbase. it's already a niche game and I think if I take a break and come back I'll have issues finding people since the game is so incredibly group centric. I didn't mind grinding for hours solo as a Wiz, was pretty fun to kite, but it was sloooow. You're right anon, I think maybe my frustrations with other stuff is coming across here. My gramps was the guy who got me into PC gaming (sitting on his lap playing commander keen an shit), guess I'm kind of frustrated right now. I'll give it a fair shake some other time
>haven't logged in almost two daysI think I'm going to cancel my sub nowt. lvl 49 dudu, the worst class in the game
>>3107065they primarily communicate through tranny discord. im not actually sure why they have the website save for account management purposes. its all but useless to them otherwise.
>>3107079Why, dudu?
>>3107079come back it looks like you wont be the worst class in the game soon! >>3106597
>>3107107such an inspiration to the children. no longer being the worst thing.
WoW forever is going to just decimate this playerbase.
>>3107163i dont understand the overlap. why would anyone interested in eq be interested in wow? we learned wow was a mistake around 2006 after seeing its disastrous influence.
>>3107205man people chasing "old school" adventures
Just before the server went down, I got 4 quests in Keeper's Bight done, and I earned myself 2 new bracers, new pants, and new bootsNow I have 20 more wis than I did beforeWhen I get in another group I'm gonna heal the shit out of them
>>3107240the game has quests outside of newbie class quests? well done man. fuckin upgrades.
>>3107251Thanks man, feels so damn good. I was just wearing tattered cloth bits in those slots before this I got so much wis now, went from 878 mana to 1078
Were dual wielding fighters a meme in EQ. I can't quite figure why I should be dual wielding as a low level fighter vs using a big 2h or sword and boarding.Rend 2 as slightly more bonus damage than cross cut when you unlock the ability. Not only that if you were to memorize only crosscut and not Rend 2, you're really neutering your ability to swap to a shield mid-fight which is not an issue 2H fighters have to deal with. While sword and boards get superb survivability due shield block and shield slam being an actual damage ability which has been incredibly rare to unlock so far.I'm aware dual wielding gives you the ability to attack with the offhand (rarely) but I can't imagine that outdpses a giant 2hander.
>>3107302>Were dual wielding fighters a meme in EQyou dual wielded on warrior in eq because you needed the additional threat generation. your dps was turbo ultra dogshit in general unless you had raid gear and then it was still nowhere near the actual dps classes. much much later on warriors actually got burn cooldowns in their alternate advancements and could kind of fuck with dualwield dps but you still just wore a shield 95% of the time.
>>3107368also swapping gear was trivial because you had the bandolier which did it all in one button press instead of pretending that fumbling with laggy unresponsive inventory was a good design. the games inventory was far more responsive than this ones even without bandolier.i imagine the skills just aren't thought out at all or they're intentionally bad like the beastmaster ones.
>>3107368not true in vanilla warrior dps while lvling is solid as a matter of fact melee are pretty much top dps (war and rogue) when everyone is running around naked because they never run out of juice which is why war/rogue/bard/cleric/x groups pull the fastest and never stop.
>>3107390>rogue good in original eqo im laughin
>>3107412then you obviously never played a proper vanilla launchprob some TLP faggot boomer
>>3107439the class that cant get access to good daggers and has atrocious accuracy while leveling with backstab is not good. are you the same idiot who thinks ds is bad?
>>3107444you're retarded lol
>>3107487i accept your concession. *smooch*
>400 on trem>400 on eu>sub 300 on the others>10 people in elf zonesdamn the game didn't even last a month.
>>3107518damnits ogre
>>3107518I knew it was niche but dayum.
why did tradeskill mats implode on the market? nobody is selling, if they are its ridiculous prices. nobody is selling crafted gear aside from leather donkeybags/backpacks. everything is just overpriced named loot
SLOW LEVELHAVE A GOOD TIME WITH FRIENDS/PUGSDISCOVER NEW CAMPSMEET NEW PEOPLEHELP PEOPLE OUTGENUINE ADVENTUREREMEMBER THIS IS THE WAYTHERE IS NO RACEYOU DO NOT HAVE TO GET EXP EVERY TIME YOU LOG INIF YOU BELIEVE OTHERWISE GIVE YER HEAD A SHAKE
>>3107618>set out to do activity>have to sit around waiting for 90 minutes before you can begin activity>retard on 4chan thinks the only alternative is a "high octane rat race"
>>3107626i literally got asked to come replace someone in a group while in av and told that yes they knew it would take 40 minutes+ to reach them and that they were going to wait and it was all good.10 minutes later i am being asked where i am and why its taking so long??? by the time i got on the boat and zoned over i was told they had found someone else. i had grouped with this guy twice before. why?
>>3107643shit like this is why its overi love old mmos but theyre dead for a reasonshame the devs are hyper autistichope they enjoy their 150 playerbase
>>3107626>set out to do something dangerous>it's busy and dangerous and you don't get to do it>takes it to the internet to complain instead of just accepting that's what it is, you are part of a world, you aren't entitled to shit in this world you have to work for itI wanted to get offline at 10pm last night, died deep in wyrmsbane with no cantrips, ended up getting to bed at 1:30amIt was a crazy adventure, end of, no red wojak, no seethe, just a crazy adventure I was a part of?Jill Jill Jill
>>3107643Yeah that sounds like actual severe mental illness. On that group's part, not yours of course.
>>3107518yea with wow forever launches on the 4th the servers will need to be merged by the end of next month
>>3107903This has gotta be some discord community bot poo action why are we even mentioning Forever in the m&m thread? lmfaoMaybe it's time to word filter Forever
Ghorast come back
>>3107917>visit wow private server reddit exclusively for private servers>no active mods>daily Forever threads, adverts, etc. since announcement and betasigh someone got a Forever private server running though lol
>>3107917The numbers speak for themselves lol the game is nowhere near dead but its def taken a population hit, its a niche game with a niche audience. That combined with the power hungry GM faggots that we keep hearing about let me give you a raid story.>in the beta raids were tested>guilds poopsocked raids>two guilds poopsock one target multiple times>both guild DPS race when it spawns>GM pops in and says DPS race doesn't determine the winner its who tags first>this happens a few times>the guild winning the tagging has the same person getting the tag multiple times>GMs then punish the guild they've been giving the loot/kill to because the tagger was using an auto-clicker to win the tagsLike the shit these GMs get up to in this game is out of this fucking world
>>3107960>GMs then punish the guild they've been giving the loot/kill to because the tagger was using an auto-clicker to win the tagslol tale as old as time. people in p99 were using scripts to race to a mob the instant the gm said go. nobody ever considered they'd cheat at that level or that people received the message at different times based on ping.
>>3107240You can get corrupted leather chest and neck for +5 and +4 and onus the elder or w/e that named is drops a +10 wis staff at corrupted ashiras.
>>3107618Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not but yes.
>>3107960And this is why I will never raid ever again.
>>3107918+1Ghorast ;-;
>>3107960>>3108055It's cringe that these guilds do thatRacing is cringe completely defeats the purpose of adventureIt's cringe the GM's intervene and get it wrongHow do we even fix this though, instancing isn't the way, reduce loot on raid bosses and give them so much hp you need 40-50-60 active players to get close to downing them? I don't know fuck
>>3108026>based on pingDamn, were boss races often won/lost with milliseconds between #1 and #2?
>>3108081i dont remember but there was a long video expose on it after the same guy won many times in a row. turns out even if he was the closest to the server he was reacting to the /roll in under 100ms or something. they didn't actually just say go but instead /randomed until a certain number was achieved iirc to try and vary player reactions.
>>3107917>4chan is ran by glowniggers>Microsoft-Actiblizzard is also ran by those same glowniggers>act surprised when they advertise their product here to keep people in their dying ecosystem>especially half a decade into the age of AI where you don't even need to hire third worlders for your guerilla marketingGee I fucking wonder.
>>3108079Easy. GMs only get involved when extreme obstruction of play or 3rd party tools got involved. Let dps race be a thing, let people train each other over camps within sane limits, let people fucking play instead of lawyerquesting over their policies.
>>3108079engage timer that determines who wins randomly and then everybody conspires that its rigged
i did it! my wizard is 16. How dangerous are the gate spells to use?
>>3108127if you're kos to NH, SD is very dangerous to use. Otherwise there are roaming giants who sometimes just kill you for no reasonScarwood there's normally a drake or a wolf/bear that paths over the teleport portalGCS there's a bunch of skeletons ready to fuck you up, and a level 60 wizard like the one in NH but he's a deep elf and will fireball you for 1300+ damage but he's a little farther back. if you aren't kos to NH SD: 3/10scarwood: 4/10GCS: 7/10my first time in GCS i just started running and blinking, gated out of there with 10% health.
>>3108081https://www.reddit.com/r/project1999/comments/smj1ti/cheating_everywhere_gms/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMzY5NHuEzcAll I know is FTE races are so unbelievably stupid.
>>3108079>get rid of the raid schedules/world bosses>you don't need to fucking raid on a schedule>make it so you farm/quest for parts to spawn a raid boss>make it so it takes two weeks to a month to spawn a single boss, maybe one week for lesser bosses>whoever spawns it its theirs
>>3108222Did someone say
>level leatherworking>oh you also need ingredients from tailoring for armors>level blacksmithing>oh you need ingredients from smelting and mining>level enchanting>you need ingredients from disenchanting>level jewlerycrafting>you need all of the aboveThis is without a single doubt the most retarded tradeskill system I have ever seen in an MMO. Every single step of the way to skill max loses you money.
>no one is online on Saturday eveningit's never been this chudver...
>>3108103It's definitely glowies and not that people were hype on classic mmos and tried the game despite it being a little classicer than they want and found that it fucking sucks. Now they're going to the one they actually wanted and just like in 2004 it's the one that they want because it fixes most of the shittiest ballaches that eq has.
>>3108278dont forget you need a literal enchanter too
>>3108278this is how it is in literally every mmo but WOW, retard
>>3108278ignore the retard above me there is plenty of mmorpgs that do not require tradeskill intermingling. unless he meant losing money in which case yeah hes probably right.
damn, can't believe it's actually over so soon
>>3108222unironically very based post thunderaan knower
>>3108284>hop on to ask Ghorast how he's doing>he's already hopped tf off by the time I see the postIt's OGRE!!!!!
>some chud got banned for saying slurs in game and is now having a boomer meltdown on reddit about "woke"it would be hilarious if this was the same 60 yo racist sexpat (who admitted he pays for sex with women of other races) that has been melting down itt for the past few days
>>3108638>it would be hilarious if this was the same 60 yo racist sexpat (who admitted he pays for sex with women of other races) that has been melting down itt for the past few daysWhat an absolutely retarded boogeyman you've made up.
>>3108696buddy, the guy literally was posting about it last thread
>>3108696saar i am glue u r rubber.
>>3108638That’s me. I’m 65, obese, with a lazy eye, and you’d let me sodomize your pagpag hole for 500 pesos (1/3 of the cost of a subscription to the critically acclaimed mmo Monsters and Memories).
I talk about niggers and kikes exclusively in my friend chat and act like a normal normgroid normalson in public channels like every other self respecting chud
Higher level wizards: something I've noticed on the wiki that seems to be neglected is that eldritch ward shields seem to remain at the same mana cost even as they scale in level. Is it maybe possible to just solo blues via maintaining the shield and autoattacking+spamming your volley while protected via the shield for infinite mana, instead of the root+run ratrace that many seem to be trapped in?
i am really put off by the people that play this game but i enjoy the game. i wish i had rolled wizard instead of a tank so i could interact less with the people that play this game
>>3108284I'm too busy being an undecided spaz who keeps trying new classes
>>310896732 wiz. Absolutely not. Ward has only ever been an oh shit button and not a form of long-term defense. The mana cost is also never the issue, the fact the shield has a total HP absorbed limit before bursting is.
>>3108967the higher level you get the more distant the dream of killing blues solo becomes
>>3109136>>3109156the bleak thing about this game is every time I get excited about some potentially cool interaction or ability or skill, it ends up being shit like this.>>3109156even on an elementalist?
>>3109156I'm still killing yellows on my wizard at 38
coolest race/sex combo for wizard?
>>3109224nta, but the one that was asking about the damage shields. tell me your secrets, do you just kite? or are you one of the melee wizards I've heard about.
>>3109291human male
>>3109291female deep gnome
Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not some EQ player with nostalgia goggles, but from what I've seen from the community of players (despite them denying it to death) the most fun and optimal way to play involves you playing a solo pet class to 30-40 (more efficient than PUGs for XP given the peaks and valleys averaging out), then using the gear you can solo camp or simply buy to twink out another character that is not usually solo capable to smash through the early suffering levels.
>>3109378the entire goal of every p99 everquest player was to acquire a fungi tunic (an item that lets you be an antisocial solo character on any class), a pair of jboots (infinite personal sow clicky) and twink themselves out of socializing for over half the level grind.
>>3109391No, I wanted to do that on a lvl 16 rogue and PvP in crushbone
>>3109396>he missed the era where you could delevel a rogue and have 250 backstab/offense skill at level 10
>>3109378A strong full group with a steady stream of mobs will burn through exp at a rate a pet class can't hope to keep up. Like laughbly faster leveling speed. Been that way since alpha and has not changed despite nerfs.But if you're starving for kills ofc not. Which for people doing the standard SD/SGS->FP+ path right now is probably their reality.
>>3109404>he missed the era in which there was no grace period for PvP, and you could sit in the Freeport noob yard at 8 as an enchanter transformed into a cactus, one-shotting lvl 1s.
>be tank>mid thirties to early forties start falling behind in tanking>pets doing better and im getting trucked>blow all my cash on a full set of tier 40-50 gear>stuff finally starts to drop but I don't need it now>since I don't need it group gives what id use to guildies>a item finally drops I could use from the group that we've been giving stuff to>item is worth maybe 10g tops>they ask if I want it for 20g after we've been feeding them free stuff worth 5g +I fucking hate people
>>3109291high elf enchanter but you illusion as ogre and only cast nukes
>>3109186>the bleak thing about this game is every time I get excited about some potentially cool interaction or ability or skill, it ends up being shit like this.Bro fucking same. Every time there would be some skill or spell that potentially looked like a game changer to how my class (paladin) was played, I would find out it was implemented in the gayest and limpdickest way possible.>Consecrate Ground>"oh that sounds cool, so Paladin eventually has to manage mobs at a particular spot and if he is able to he becomes way stronger huh? that's neat">Get the spell>All it does is give some minor corruption spell resistance and minority augment two of your other skills, your healbonk and your DPSbonk>The DPSbonk increase is so minor that even with thorough testing I literally couldn't even tell if it was doing anything, and the tooltip basically said to expect an increase of damage of like 2 damage so I'm not still not sure if the interaction was broken or not because it was so minor I wasn't sure if it was actually getting a boost >The healbonk augment is like triple the healing of normal, okay cool>Then I realize the cool down of Consecrate Ground is fucking 3 minutes long and lasts barely 40 seconds>Aka long enough to healbonk twice>So I am using one of my precious slots for a significant cool down ability that functionally just augments another skill a tiny bit which improves its group heal which almost never mattersEvery "milestone" skill on my class wound up being like this, some fucking gay turbo niche ability that felt like ass to use and never actually mattered.
>>3108638People like that don't even qualify as "racist," the extent of their racism is using slurs that they think would get under the skin of their target. Same phenomenon as when leftoids call someone who is pro white secretly brown.
>>3108278i rolled archer and it's such a bottomless pit for copper. I've burned through over 200 units and I'm still nowhere near being able to build my first trap I learned a week ago.
>>3108696>>3108852You best start believing in boogymen, sonYou're talking to one
>>3109293anything with buffs is a no. use TK and root a lotefficient nukes break root a lot less than volley doesi prefer drakes because they start casting immediately in melee range and you can just run off and root them
...Shawn is cooked...
>>3109451i don't dispute that, but in like 8/10 cases, you simply aren't going to get the A team perfect comp where everyone knows what they're doing and has an endless stream of perfect pulls
>>3109454>enchanter transformed into a cactusWhy the fuck does Enchanter have absolutely nothing cool like that or its other eccentric kit in this game? I'm not an EQ boomer, but I was looking through EQ's classes yesterday and most of them are so much more interesting+have so much more going on than here. Some of the missing stuff also seems to be spite motivated for lack of a better term? Like Elementalists not having the player summoning thing Magicians got, because one of the devs "didn't like it"? And so on, with most of the classes.
>>3109700>Same phenomenon as when leftoids call someone who is pro white secretly brown.this is true though, white nationalist at this point is a literal larp aesthetic worn by grifters, wannabe school shooters, and people from the global south. i don't understand it really.
Why the fuck do you have to redownload the entire game after every patch?
>>3109926iirc its not a full dl. its just recompiling the entire game for some reason.
>>3109942Reason being shit engine.
>>3109789> Why the fuck does Enchanter have absolutely nothing cool like thatIt does, it’s called minor illusion.
>>3109704Group with elementalists
>>3109465People can be absolutely, intolerably jewish in this game
>>3109704Are you playing self found or what?
>>3109789>Like Elementalists not having the player summoning thing Magicians gotthis is one of the most brutal removals. it was a really nice thing in eq to be able to summon across the zone and eqs zones were much smaller than this games.
i want sheathed weapons when out of combat.
>>3110591Let my deep gnome be the scabbard for your implement…
Is it over?
>don't feel like playing MnM>don't feel like playing Everquest>lmfao PantheonErenshor bros... Maybe it's time. Wish it wasn't so fucking hideous to look at though.
>>3110674Adrullan Online
>>3110674You will blast all ogre the place. I have 3/4 of the final raids down and could work on the fourth but it really doesn't matter, we're not even getting the fifth raid next patch :\
>>3110524i dont think any of the 3 other archers on my server want to craft them for me
>>3110784archer has to pay to play, not like thos cheapass rogues.
>Inquisitor>never quizes you
theres a guy on my server, he doesn't even play the game just sits in NH all day and buys/sells named loot. I think he is RMT
>>3110810>not like thos cheapass rogues.Why yes, I do plan on ignoring a core class mechanic because I hate spending money. Thanks for understanding. We unironically did this in EQ.
>>3110867>goblin>rogue>loot nigger
if these rumors about pet class nerfs are true, I might unironically quit the game, zero desire for soloing when the population declines enough for grouping to becoming impossible to be a torturous experience.
>>3110960what you'll see is fewer people soloing and more people grouping up.I tried to get exp in a group today and there were five people soloing elder skeletons in UD. Not a single one of them was like hey wanna team up we could probably get better exp together?fucking braindeadnpcs
I'm gonna let you solo faggots in on a little secretany 6 people can get exp, you don't need a tank and a healer. 6 necromancers will fucking wreck shit nasty, and as long as one of you is willing to pull you can get exp like a regular party. hell 6 shamans can wreck shit nasty too. the only thing i might go hold up wait a minute for is 6 melee dps but that might not even be bad. 6 wizards could really fuck shit up nasty.
>>3111153YOU SHOULD STILL HAVE A HEALER AT LEAST DOUGH
>>31111615 rogues and a shaman would work great up to about level 35, then you're going to want a tank. PEt classes and kite classes can get by
>>3111153Yeah I was doing this the other day, some of the people were pretty new to this kinda game and they all thought it was cool we were managing to hold two named camps down as a MNK, NEC, BRD, ROG, and ENC, it was fun.
>>3111166depending on your level, those bard regens go pretty hard.
I'm getting sick of seeing all this god damn wis plate
I think I'm done lads. Made it to 34 paladin, grinded the gacha RNG gear system.Dealing with greedy fuckwads and /auction isn't fun.Good luck.
i think the worst part for me is i cant find groups much anymore but I also can't fucking solo
>>3111218Did you have fun along the way?
>>3109804Ok retard
>>3111221The population will decline until design improves
>>3111089>you'll see fewer people soloing and more people grouping upNo, what you'll see is simply a dead game with far fewer people.
>>3111221>>3111445>population continues to drop>all of the turbo autists who stuck around start to twink out their alts>the few new players who join find out no one will even give them the time of day because they aren't rocking at least a steel weapon and some stat armor at level 3>no groups, no community, and yet somehow everything of value is still permanently campedThat's the real EQ experience and I'm glad the devs are speedrunning to it as best they can.
>>3111423I did. For what it is worth, I had fun playing as a Paladin, The abilities are great, they feel powerful in what we do and I enjoyed how I felt as a tank in general.The rest? Not so much.
>>3111533As long as you got $15 worth of entertainment out of it, that's all that matters broski. Put it away and come back later to see how things are. Go check out WoWf for a couple months and see if MnM is dead or not by the time that one gets boring. Trying to live in a single MMO forever is a fool's errand anyway
>>3111562I will never touch WoW again. Blizzard lost me with Cataclysm and Diablo 3, there is nothing they can do to get me back.
>>3111218the devs should ban the parasitic day traders in NH just out of principle.
>>3111515far fewer soloing people
>>3111598Devs should implement some sort of city wide search function for players and their goods and a Loot pool menu.Thats all I want.
everyone says the game is dying but every zone is still swarming with assholes competing for copper ore. i hope this game really does die so i can have them all to myself.
Shawn....why did you ignore us EQ Veterans and cater to these NEET boomer masochists chasing nostalgia fixes like its a drug?
>>3111221This is the killer here. Sometimes you just have enough time for an hour or two and you have to spend time looking for a group and then looking for a rep. It's not worth the hassle and you'd rather just solo but you can't even do that
you can't just group with someone from <Covenant> and not have to listen to some poo flinging tryhard talk about shit you don't care about
>>3111642I saw some level 25 bard with selos on and a pickaxe running around like the king of the kiddie pool stealing nodes from noobs like God put him on this here earth to be the biggest faggot alive and the one thing he absolutely can't do is disappoint.
>>3111620I want a rule that says you can't just buy stuff and then flip it around for a profit. The people who do this belong in the wood chipper.
I just don't get the point of this game. It was comfy and fun to start with but there's nothing to do but grind at a campfire to level and progress your class, except you pretty much unlock the entire class at around level 25 so you're just pressing the same 3 buttons over and over again for hundreds of hours to get gear with an extra 2 stats that increases your damage roll by 1? After the first time you group with a full party you've already experienced the entire game.
>>3111642>>3111820You guys should come underground we got lots of copper here
>>3111833>You will be banned without warning if you sell wrong.>You will be banned without warning if you buywrong.>You will be banned without warning if you trade wrong.>You will be banned without warning if you camp wrong.>Other people can camp if they're higher level than the camp you need and they deprive you and other players of XP because they leveled too fast.>You will be banned without warning if you level too fast.>You will be banned without warning if you don't take it slow.>You cannot solo.>You have to group, but if you group we will ban you without warning.>You're not allowed to use your abilities as an Archer because Shawn doesn't like the way you're doing it.>You will be banned without warning if you don't read Shawn's mind.Shawn doesn't understand why he is losing 80% of his subs in 1 month.
>>3111839>You're suppose to play this game until you're no longer allowed to play anymore.I thought that was the entire point? This is what Shawn wanted. The entire point was for you to generate so much friction, you stop enjoying yourself. That way anyone who keeps playing after that happens, gets to declare themselves special snowflakes who are better than everyone else because "this is your game now".It's a right of passage, like the tribes who perform genital mutilation so you can never feel sexual pleasure ever again. You get to be miserable forever like Shawn and join his club.Btw Shawn doesn't play the game, so he isn't actually miserable. He just demands you pay him for the right to be miserable.
>>3111880>You get to be miserable foreverSounds like the perfect game for everyone on this pathetic Cantonese Basket Weaving forum.
>>3112225sorry im just a tourist browsing for criticisms here bc they ban everyone kn discord, reddit, and in-game who have any valid criticisms.M&M community is less toxic than Evercraft's but still insanely toxic af telling 90% of Everquest/P1999 veterans "this game isnt for you" bc they arent retired or neets on disability income.
>>3111839i like fishing and hanging out, dumping my mana to kill a green then meding while reading forum posts. its comfy
>>3111598It’s called providing market liquidity sweaty
I only had an hour to play today so I went to blind midden and explored. Maybe got 1g worth of named drops, because the entire playerbase is populated by faggot pussies who never want to step outside their comfort zones even a little bit so all nameds were just up, waiting for my level 30 dick to fuck them. Sometimes not leveling is okay guys, you can run around and do other shit for a bit. Really, I swear!
>>3112517you sound like one of them sweats camping all our beloved named mobs! PNP PNP PNP! how could you do this???
>>3112533He's the reason my two man runs into a dungeon, we find some high level twat is killing all the named mobs, and we leave since we stand no chance
>>3112539You just put a campfire down at the named you want. I run around killing uncamped mobs at night sometimes too, I'm not gonna take them from other players that want em though.
>>3112550The whole camped claiming thing is so weird
>>3112556How so?
I'm so glad I got to mmorpgs with EQ2 instead of EQ1 because 2 is sooo much fucking better just removing the shitty sitting mana regen and replacing it with incombat/out of combat regens would allow you to actually dungeon crawl instead of sitting in one spot
>>3112916skill issue
>>3112916>just removing the shitty sitting mana regen and replacing it with incombat/out of combat regensWas there any reason that EQ had this system, besides the obvious reason being to sit down and socialize?Were the mana classes in EQ viewed as massively powerful that they needed a drawback like this to be balanced? I've played older MMO's (ultima online) and I still regenerated mana faster in that game compared to EQ. Of course you had mana pots in that game but I'm fairly certain you could still go from oom to a full mana bar quicker in that game w/o pots.
>>3112929HP regen was super slow too so I think it was just an overall design decision. That said, casters did get a lot more to do than martials, I remember monk having like 4 buttons and two of em were mend and FD
>>3112929I really don't thin original 99 devs actually intended for the sit camp play or they would not have designed those elaborate dungeons that nobody actually didthat's why they got rid of it (and camps) in eq2
>>3112929>in single player rpgs of the time casters run out of mana super fast>mmorpg is just rpg with more people>but in single player rpgs when you run out of mana you pitch a tent or go back to inn to rest and this happens instantly in real time>can't do that in mmorpg so people just sit for 10 minutes instead
This game woulda been so based if they'd copied EQ2 instead of EQ1
>>3112990for real
this is goodbye frens...
>>3113012undercarriage
>>3113012 rip dudu
>>3111517>no one will even give them the time of day because they aren't rocking at least a steel weaponthey will give you a steel weapon and allow you to group with them. for all their alts and friends have better and there is noone to buy steel weapons anymore so it has no worth to them.then they will loot everything and give you nothing. it was a good deal goy.
>>3113012Brother :( just change classes and come play with the /v/ros and dont worry about endgame or socking or levelling fastJust enjoy adventure with the niggas :(
>>3111839the end goal of eq was having cooler looking gear than other players and nothing has changed.
>>3111868he probably does understand why but the problem is you cant convince chris chan that making a sonic mmo is a bad idea.>>3111880him not playing the game would make a lot of sense.
>>3112929I dunno if it was intentional or not, but I enjoy the classic EQ feel of time always moving at the same speed"in combat"/"out of combat" stuff acts as a kind of time-compression which gives a game a different feel
>>3112916there was plenty of dungeon crawling in eq1 the devs are just retarded and tied a permanent experience penalty to the camp fire. not that i disagree with you.
The camp-based gameplay is whole reason I play M&M, and why I played P1999. (The campfires in M&M are a nice touch.) There's plenty of other games with "clear the whole dungeon every time" gameplay so I don't need another one of those
>>3113099Hi Shawn
>>3113099Holy shit bro are you me
>>3113099me when i get up to go answer the door and pick up my cranberry turkey panini whilst trying not to disturb the bull.
The sound fawns make when you kill them gives me a boner
I like crpgs like Baldurs gate and Icewind Dale, becase how different classes complements each other in a party. Will I like this game?
>>3113152no
>>3113152lmao
>>3113160>>3113164Isn't that what this game is all about?
>>3111860oh I'm already aware. I just watch this turbo nigger swarm around the noob yard like it's the only place he knows to look
>>3112517>he got two things and decided to charge 50s for something with +2 dex on it
>>3113165imagine a sandwich in your left hand while the right controls the mouse. now ask yourself "how do i communicate with my group". both of your hands are occupied. your mouth is stuffed. how shawn? how?
I played archer for a bit earlier, i didn't realize just how much this class adds to a party besides damage>oh hey look i can make a flare>this button makes the mob we're fighting light up like a christmas tree>I'm blind as fuck>yahoo
>>3113165look you don't minmax autism those single player rpgs because they are very low stakes and efficiency doesn't matter dick all, I'm sure both of those games would have some nofun allowed minmax comp that mogs what ever wibe party you did by x10 at least
>>3112929> Was there any reason that EQ had this system, besides the obvious reason being to sit down and socialize?In EQ, up to lvl 35, not only did you have to sit down, but you had to open your spellbook and it took up your entire viewport. MnM sissies are playing on ezmode. >but why?The game was heavily influenced by DnD, moreso than later MMOs. This was supposed to represent the vulnerability of “resting”. Also *snoorts cocaine* fuck em.
>>3113232You don't need to minmax this game either?
>>3112517I had some funny guy whisper angry tells to me after I said on ooc that you can start dipping into blind midden at level 4 if you got a full partyapparently you need to be level 8+ AT MINIMUM to fight level 6-8 mobs and lvl 7 namedslmfao people in this game are scared shitless to go outside the "comfort zone"and it doesn't take more than just a few braincells to absolutely destroy yellow and red mobs if you got a team of half-awake people playing
I turned in Percy's iou more than once, an I going to get banned?
>>3113438They don't have manpower to go for bots and 3rd party users outside of the most egregious cases, all their gms are doing pnp petitions. Info from one of the leaky birdie.
>>3113446>This... Cretin... Killed one of the mobs in my VIEW WINDOWWell, did you ask him to stop?>I AM ASKING YOU TO MAKE HIM STOP
>>3113512>I AM TAKING MY $15.99 ELSEWHERE
>>3113143The sound deep gnome women make when you beat them gives me a boner
there needs to be some sort of pvp besides city arenas on the pve servers
>>3113836It’s too late to go pvp now, meat.
>>3113866why, everyones already gay and leveled up?
this shit so dead once forever drops lmao
>>3113919forever removed breast bounce. dead game
>>3113919dont give wow the credit nigga it aint do shit
>>3112539There was 10 other people in the zone and all spawns I took were completely, utterly barren, but thanks for proving my point you whining fag>>31131705 things for 20 which is actually reasonable yeah>>3113254It's absolutely fucking pathetic. There are a lot of problems with this game, but no one is seriously discussing the coddled, scared, faggot nature of the playerbase at large. My Deep Gnome is fucking not even inherently KoS to the mobs in Midden. I can roam around inside it with ZERO regard to safety! It's insane!
>>3112539Wait you were probably joking, if so excuse my autism uwu
>>3104972>>3105060Just entered a group with a Rogue named Affliktion and remembered this post.We'll see how it goes.I don't mind people being chatty as long as they aren't cunty and annoying.
>>3114338Are you guys on Trem? Unironically I feel like I grouped with a retard named that
>>3114338Welp. Anon, it's been almost an hour. You got any stories for us from the potential chatterbox?
>>3114578No, he's been fine and normal to me.It's actually been a good group, nothing to gossip about.
>>3113919>he thinks anyone here is giving jewdale and the purple haired fat unfuckable woman club any monthly sub money>especially after they took turtle down>and then didn't even introduce high elves or goblinsZoomzoom I see you. Vote with your wallet. Do the right thing. Say NO to SLOP. You don't need to play normiesphere games with attention seeking twitch.tv gamers.
>>3114675cant hear u from the top of my PRIDE MOUNT.
>>3114675I miss Turtle D:
Best shaman race?
>>3114724they all suck. troll never.
This is the life bros, cozy relaxing campfire vibes while I kick back with me and my bros and we just shoot the shit about how we got divorced from our bitch cunt wife after having a stupid argument over drapes but we think she was probably fucking her co-worker anyway dumb cunt
>>3114755This but unironically and we also did this in EQ
>>3113919these devs are perfectly capable of throttling their newborn game in the crib without blizzard coming around gunning for their lunch money, thank you anon
playing a cc class is kind of annoying. these dumb niggers can't help themselves randomly wacking adds
Today on Reddit MnM.
>>3114910I truly don't know what these people were expecting. Long corpse runs? Bigger you've never left Fallen Pass.
>>3114910the idea is that you get the mats from other players, not level all the trade skills yourself, but yeah there's an over reliance on it
>>3114910>no chat bubblesHow are we supposed to take these faggots opinions seriously?
>>3115011>weWhomst?
>>3114910i don't give a fuck about some random faggot's reddit blog entry. Today on MNM my faggot druid gated back to town without teleporting or even giving a sow to the group members so we all had to walk because he was a faggot
>>3114693For me, it was conquest of azerothSun Cleric, my beloved...
>>3115040That's egregious but in keeping with the gayest fotm class
>>3115064Turtle was shit, Ascension was mega shit.
>>3115078The classes of CoA were actually fun, even with ascension absurd retail bloat
The geriatric divorced dads who are mentally invested in this game are so ridiculous. They really want it to be a p99 clone with 0 improvements and only 100 other players. Why not just stay on p99 then? I don't get it.
>>3115106is that what you tell yourself to make yourself feel better?
>>3115106its not p99 with zero improvements. its p99 but worse.
What does the blind spell do against enemy npcs?
>>3115168In EQ it did a shitload of taunt.
>>3112517>exploredi didn't know the definition of "explored" was going to an area while overleveled and then randomly killing names.like yeah, no shit sherlock, deep elf land sucks which is a shame because BM is one of the few good dungeons in the same. You're 5 levels over the hardest mobs, and the entire place usually has a population of like 50 people at peak hours
>>3112916one of the things EQ2 objectively did better was having pet class summons change over time into interesting creatures.
>>3113099>I played P99instantly stopped reading
>>3115397Eh, deep midden is kind of ass, it’s good precisely because it’s not filled with lvl 30 pussies camping every single named. Well, not usually at least.
>>3114100>there are a lot of problems with this game, but no one is seriously discussing the coddled, scared, faggot nature of the playerbase at largeunironically blame the developers. half the classes don't even have gate or soulbind, so the consequences of going off and exploring by yourself are potentially you losing hours of XP and more hours of having to run back to get your corpse.or if you died in a dangerous area you get the humiliation ritual of having to literally pay another player (because they usually won't help anyone otherwise) for them to drag your corpse to zone entrance.if you try to explore zones that are far enough away, you might even get the truly unique privilege of having to not play the game for a week until you can retrieve your gear from an NPC. good luck ever getting your corpse otherwise if you die in Irem or GCS!
>>3115421I just camp then early in the morning and then let the lovebird have their dungeon
>>3114350yes trem, down in deep elf zones? that dude is a moron, though he moved on from having autism attacks over dying to level 3 fungi to exiles groups so at least he's no longer being retardedly inefficient.
>>3115443just think of your corpse being stuck in an unrecoverable hell (the spider pit in giant canyon) as a 7 day vacation.
>>3115421nah, there's a lot to the zone. several layers of quests within it, rep gains, a bunch of different nameds in escalating level tiers.You can level from like 4-30, all within that dungeon.
>>3115168makes them not able to crit?
>>3115457pretty sure a rogue can do that
>>3115457Even a monk can’t do it?
>>3115457Haven't been there yet, do they see invis or something?
>>3115498some of them see invis. i know because was the rogue who thought it was funny to go in the level 55 spider pit.
>>3115509well you see there is a city for giants and right next door to the giant murder city there is a canyon with a bunch of spiderwebs. i couldn't see any threat so i figured i'd have fun exploring down there and it turns out its actually just full of stealthed rape spiders who can sometimes? see through rogue hide. i left 4 corpses before giving up. i don't even know how you get out of the pit or if there is anything down there like a cool cave full of murder rape.
>>3115522rogue hide doesnt work against red mobs looking directly at you
>>3115522Ah I see. I just asked because I think a lot of corpse runs could easily be solved by people just buying a couple of invisibility potions from an alchemist, but I don't know if many people are aware they exist.
>>3114910This one is better.
>>3115541lol looks like Shawn's design is working as intended! Fantastic!
>>3115533haha why would they make rogue stealth so bad
>try level 50 dungeon>only ones in zone>its kinda like a sewer system zone>nobody human sized or above can fit through any doorway>half the monsters fear>a lot of the rooms are open with mobs right above you on a deck so if ANY AoEs go out you die>you cant swim with pets cuz they randomly warp into the middle of the zone and train you>we get to the middle of the zone and kill a named that dropped a no trade key>we go into the lock room with the key>everyone dies but the FD classes (FD classes dont have the key)>FD classes are now stuck in the room until a GM can let them out which happens thirty minutes later>FD classes gotta drag the corpses halfway through the zone>people who died need a port back and invis/ivu/and shrink otherwise we cant get the corpses and even then its a 40min run back>one corpse got left behind by mistake on the drag cuz one of the FDers died getting out>other FDer couldnt get through the other doors because they were an ogre and ogres cant fit through doors>eventually get it all sorted and everyone rezzed but the one corpse left behind by mistake>start to clear in for it>someone AoEs pulling the upper floor and half the grp dies>40min run back again>someone double invises to try and get the last corpse>it works>whole ordeal felt like it took 3hrs
>>3115397I was there at 4pm EST on Trem and there were 15 people in the zone, but cope harder faggot. And yes, going to new zones and checking them out for the first time is in fact exploring you disingenuous queer.
>>3115566On Saturday, I meant to add. So literal absolute peak time.
>>3114910>300 redditors got baited by this
>>3115443My favorite part is casting Invisible vs Undead on my Paladin, then walking and the first group of 3 undead dont see me followed by immediately pulling the second set of 3 for no reason, creating an instant train of 6 and dying repeatedly while 15 players and a full group of 6 down the hallway to my corpse refuses to even respond to my requests to get a recovery.went like this>/ooc Can anyone help me recover my corpse?>>*finally make it to my corpse down the hallway*>/say Oh hey guys, I'm not trying to bug your full group of 6 but could you help me get my corpse? It's right down the hallway.>Where is the corpse?>It's right down the hallway. Just 2-4 mobs but I can't even handle 1 without my gear or spellbook.>Oh that's really close.>*15 minutes later*>Hey guys could anyone help?>*3 minutes pass in silence*>*They pull 1-3 mobs every 5 minutes. Not busy at all. Only one guy of the six ever spoke.*>Okay well I will just try to go down the hallway myself. Mind if I pull the mobs to you?><silence>>AHHH! Here's one! ><all six instantly kill the mob>>Thanks guys! I appreciare your help!>AHHH! Here's another one!><full group of six just sit there dancing around the mob as I drop to 25% life before killing it>>Thanks again! You saved me. My corpse is just right down the hallway. I'm so close!><pulled 2 mobs>><run back /yell>><full group of six engage 1 of the 2 but let the other 1 just hit me repeatedly>>/yell>/yell>Help! Help! It's still on me!><full group finally kills the 1. goes to dps the 2nd while it still hits me. my healing myself to save my own life caused a little bit of aggro>>You Are Dead!><full group kills the second>>>Finally get back to corpse down hallway.>Hey guys, this time do you mind if I just ask all six of you to escort me down the hallway? My corpse is just right down the hallway.><silence>><45 minutes later, a level 35 cleric revives me>>>1.5 hrs of my 3 hr limited playtime has been used to get a corpse.
>>3115421>I NEED to have access to every named ever especially when I'm not online or on the zone at all because there might be a level 30 somewhere at some time who comes into a barren zone and kills a mob no one was anywhere near
>>3115599To be fair, idk about midden but that is not what people were complaining about when it came to wyrmsbane. I'd see level 25-30 people camping the haste capes, go to sleep, wake up and they are still fucking there. That, and Ancient Crypt, are the only places I've really seen this coward behavior.
>>3115612trem has people doing the same shit in blind midden.
>>3115597we do that in eq
>>3115597Let me guess, you a WoW carebear? lol
>>3115624I am an Everquest veteran from 1999-2002 and played some P1999 too.I am heavily into socializing, but not in an annoying way. Super grateful, tip all the time, and extremely patient when asking for help.This game is not for me.
Im gonna play this game in 2-3 months when theres like 100 people with my 2 friends and itll be the most fun even though its basically a single player coop game
>>3115612Oh totally I actually agree with you on this and think that's gay, if unfortunately logical given the game rules. It's why I keep recommending people leaving Iraq to branch out to different places. If a group went to midden from 10-25 they'd be rich as shit and completely decked out in gear but they just don't want to.
>>3115615Yeah, literally me, and I'm telling you there's no one in there at all.
>>3115637>Everquest Clone to the point of being more of an EQ clone than EQ itself>Everquest Veterans discuss flaws that make them not want to play.>Maybe this game isn't for you.If the EQ clone isn't for EQ fans who want an EQ clone, then who exactly is this for, Shawn?
>>3115637Why not? I'm literally the same and I love MnM
>>3115656>>3115612This is why you just train these little shits. But no if you try to train to get some power or create 'friction' then Shawn will ban you without warning.
>>3115673>Why not?>Literally explained in depth the reason why not >>3115597Man you must be retarded. No wonder you love sitting there for hours doing nothing waiting to play this game.
>>3115663It's for the unemployed and the privileged nerds that have bullshit wfh jobs, and I say this as the latter. If you can only game a couple of hours a day idk how you'd ever get anything done
>>3115675This doesn't work, or at least you'd have to be very creative to get a train of 10s big enough to kill me while not dying yourself. Once I get Nova spells this probably wouldn't even work either.
>>3115662If you were there 4? days ago when I went exploring than fuck you for being one of the 8 level 20-30 guys solo squatting on what I assume were named. those belonged to an honest deep elf newbie group who dont even know you can enter the zone at level 4.
>>3115688I have two kids, a needy wife, a full time job, and I'm still 33, camping blind midden for +int bracers and making fags seethe. I don't really know what I've been doing any different than anyone else other than maybe being more lucky than not with groups and staying up a bit late every now and then.
>>3115697Please tell me more about locking down named dungeon mobs as a level 4 honest and true shitposter
>>3115705>and I'm still 33Freemasons tongue my anus.
>>3115684honestly a lot of the problems with corpse recovery just come down to how big the zones are and shitty travel is. they should just nuke the self ports and lower the level requirements on most of them. maybe even give succor at lower levels.
>>3115688What is a bullshit wfh job? I'd like one of those please. Does it require a lot of work?
>>3115697But also no, I did it yesterday
>>3115717heh
>>3115721>Does it require a lot of work?No, that's why it's a bullshit job. I just kinda lucked into it when covid turned my real job into a lazy NEET one
>>3115705>i ignore my kids>i never get to fuck my wife>i am a wageslave>i'm 33 years old>so I waste my life playing a game with my disabled / retired boomer online friends.YIKES!
>>3115443i dont mind a slow trot to far away lands. what annoyed me, was all of the invisible/stealthed mobs they have peppered around the game. really neutered my desire to keep exploring.
>>3115730atleast he doesn't fuck women in south east asia
>>3115720I was in a level appropriate dungeon, with a group, and it's Wyrmsbane not at all too large. I wasn't even deep.My corpse was literally down the fucking hallway around the corner. I almost grabbed it several times alone. 15+ people just fucking ignored me including a full group of 6 who were within stepping distance of my corpse but kept pulling the other way every 5 minutes.Makes me think 90% of people who play this game are bots.
>>3115717>>3115730To be fair I meant level 33. I'm 42 :^)And it's actually amazing the projection you sad fags toss out. You know that having kids isn't some 24/7 job right? They go to sleep and shit lol
>>3115736>Makes me think 90% of people who play this game are bots.They're worse than bots they're boomers. Physical or Spiritual.
>>3114902See this is why enchanter's overkill CC has value in a group, you just keep casting aoe mez until the DPS figure out what's going on
>>3115563Did you have fun?
>>3115106M&M's better than p99 because M&M focuses on xp campingI don't like raiding or those dungeons you had to use norent keys to get through
>>3115760>mfw im forced to move 15 feet in guk
exactly how much rmt is going on that people are charging 1g for wyrmsbane loot
>>3115561It used to be worse (yellow mobs could see you in front of them); this is the buffed version
>>3115563damn I need to go on some adventures like this
>>3115775well...
>>3115734Your sister is allowed to fuck whoever she wants, Juan. Even rich foreign uncles.
>>3115792>buy a lvled pve character in MnM >have nothing to do at all.
The game is going to be so much better after it starts dying. It's so much easier to find groups when it's empty vs full.
>>3115819no more randos to get in the way of my sandwich
>petition for GM over camp disputes>average wait: 1 hour>by the time a GM arrives one party has usually leftmost retarded fucking system I've ever seen
>>3115473I haven't seen a group over level 14 form for it
>>3115882I want to say that there's tons of groups, but the group I've been doing BM with formed during the first week of launch when AV had a population above room temperature so probably there aren't that many now.The developers of this game are retarded desu, and may have permakilled off the deep elf zones due to releasing them in a not fit for EA state. Not even fit for the beta. Half of the BM was basically inaccessible due to being underwater until last patch, and the entire deep elf population fucked off because of all the class quests being unfinished, the place having no crafting stations, and the awful vendor layouts.
iron ore stacks are being advertised for 6s on tilustra... owari da..
>>3115561FEE FII FO FUM NIGGA
>>3115597you need to level that skill up boy
>>3115684what are you in a hurry to do?
>>3115011Chat bubbles are good. I can't count how many times I miss someone speaking directly in front of me because my eyes aren't on the chat bar at that particular moment.
>>3115078Your opinion is shit and nobody asked
>>3115877I don't know how any designer worthy of the name decided a human volunteer group had any kind of scalability in a MMORPG to address fucking camp disputes. It's just so retarded on its face that I am completely baffled nobody at any point said "Shawn this is fucking dumb, we have better things to do than play kindergarten teacher to a bunch of boomers."At this point the only thing that makes any sense is if their ego enjoys the power tripping associated with being tasked with resolving these bullshit disputes. It's such a ridiculous make-work scenario that I just can't understand it otherwise
>>3116443>why would anyone become a mod or jannie?You must be retarded...
>>3116450>At this point the only thing that makes any sense is if their ego enjoys the power tripping associated with being tasked with resolving these bullshit disputesTry reading next time fuckwit. I like to think most professional companies would try to not appeal to power hungry retards with nothing better to do than get illusionary power over a digital boomer retirement home, especially as a fucking volunteer group.
>>3115877>well did you ask them to leaveno
>>3115792i bet the number of level 59 shadow knights on the EU server is exactly 1, and the mods can just go ahead and ban this guy.
Ghost of Selam is just chilling up, drops the BIS bowspawned 5 rl days agonobody came to kill him.
>>3116496>doesnt get paid>does it anywayYea they want free labor mod jannies, so they do the typical mod trade. The mods do free janutorial work cleaning up juveniles shitting everywhere and in exchange the business turns a blind eye to exploitation and abuse of power.
>>3116708give us a screenie
>>3116746i didn't get one while i was there, it's in zaedin's landing, guy's just chilling in a pirate ship.
>>3105060>>3114350>>3115453I met him. Trem, just now in an exile group. Ail'Vorith is a small world. I've probably been in a group with all of you recently, I just don't want to namedrop myself when I'm talking shit.Yeah, Affliktion was an annoying faggot.There's plenty of people I've met down in AV who are really cool and helpful, too many to remember all their names. But Afflicktion is the only one I don't want to play with again because he was being a selfish autist. Someone needed help doing a quest before we got started, and he threw a bitchfit and nearly left the group over it because everyone was confused what the plan was and it was wasting his xp. He only calmed down because his healer buddy wasn't going to go with him.He shifted gears and started acting normal after that, but it was notable because that's my first time seeing someone act like that. Also, he was supposed to help his level 2 Necromancer "friend" kill a mob for a different quest also before we got started, but when he noticed that it hadn't spawned in yet so he just immediately changed his mind and I guess told them to fuck off for wasting his xp.Everyone was nice to him and got over it, but I'm definitely marking him down as a notable douche that I don't want to play with. You can't trust people like that, especially when they preen about how great they are the whole time. He's a rogue anyway, not like he's a valuable asset.Exiles do have great xp though.
>>3116780aw shieeeet
>>3116399Same. I literally jump up and down in front of people so they know I'm trying to communicate with them now.
>>3116815heyhey youyouyou with the stickheycan i get a SoW>uhh I'm a wizard
>>3116886roleplay hiding people's class and level is so fucking annoying for this reason
>>3116891So is getting 4 seperate "PORT PLEASE" tells 2 seconds after loading into a town.
>>3116886It pisses me off how nobody even bothers checking what class you are with that. I was on a boat a few days ago and some guy was like "Hey, any of you guys have a SoW?"Everyone ignored him, and because *I* was curious if anyone did, I used /who to check all 5 people on the boat. No SoW.But still, this faggot asked like two more times if he could get a SoW. Like, nigger, did it occur to you to fucking look? Not to mention we were on a boat anyway.
>>3116897I don't mind these because I'm a broke nigga and these guys normally pay up
>>3116897Fair enough, charge people for it or just ignore them. I know the pain though, when I played WoW classic I used to do all my business in Thunderbluff on my mage just because there were less niggers there to pester me for food water and portals.
>>3116780lol wasnt him but i had 3 different people sperg out when i offered to help a couple of wizards/spellblades finish their dogshit quest. the thought of running around and swimming for 10 minutes to fight the evil caster gnomes for an hour or two just mentally raped them. still getting money and exp but having a meltdown over "charity work".
doing the Elementalist class questline in AV, at first I thought when it required me to go to "the dark elf" it was some sort of accidental typo, but no, apparently wood elves and high elf retards who decide to live with the deep elves are "dark elves".
>>3117110ALSOif you are a necromancer or elementalist deep elf doing those class quests, you can betray the incompetent retard you are working for routinely by going to the initial recruiter you met in the Obsidian Academy and telling her his trade secrets for 10-15 silver a pop.This isn't listed anywhere on the wiki and I'm pretty sure if I'm not the first, then you could count the number of people who have tried this on two hands.
>never played EQ, first time in this type of mmo>SHD, level 14>group up>enchanter in group>ask for buffs>no response>ask for buffs again>gives me one buff>know he has more but whatever>buff runs out, ask again>no response>ask again>"oh it run out already? tell me, i can't see when it does">remind him that he can see my buffs with C as enchanter, i played ench to level 8 so i know this>claims he did not know this, and that he is playing ench in his old EQ way, 'lazy enchanter'why are EQ veterans so fucking insufferable? i'm bending over backwards to learn the weird fucking etiquette of this game so why are they allowed to be retards? also isn't enchanter already fucking useless enough? why be even more useless by not buffing to your full potential?
>>3117281Chanters are well known for being primadonna faggots
>>3117281This game isn't about min-maxing, that's zoomer shit that came much later than EQ classic. Just take it easy. Are you dying? If not, then put down the dps parser and enjoy the game.
>>3117303i'm certainly not a min-maxer, but if you choose to play the class most known for buffing with such buffs lasting between 30minutes and an hour but you make the active decision to simply not do that and just sit on the fire afk, are you not just being incredibly retarded in that situation? it costs you nothing but mana and you won't have to do it again for another 30 minutes.this is asking the bare minimum of someone and them deciding to, for whatever reason, not to. why even play the class at that point if that's not what you want to do?
>>3117310Maybe their arthritis is flaring up that day, they might have a reason. Why does it matter, if the only thing it affects is your exp/second?I understand what you're saying, but one benefit of this kind of game is that when you inevitably fuck up as a SHD you aren't going to get reamed out by a group of sweatlords, because ultimately it doesn't really matter.
Trent always sounds mad at me.... he scares me...
Once again seeking help finishing my shittily annotated BTB map, if anyone could tell me where to find the following, please?>an orc supplier>an acolyte of Visru>a frenzied ratman
>>3117310yes people should do their basic functionality in a group
>>3117335>when you inevitably fuck up as a SHD you aren't going to get reamed out by a group of sweatlords>he isn't awarelol lmao even
>>3117411what awaits me, anon, be truthful.
>>3117484Tank, puller, and healer are the only particularly visible roles in a group. If they fuck up, people notice.Not that it's hard to play optimally, the skill ceiling is so low that 5'0" man lets are scraping their heads, but yeah.
>>3117357>huuge dungeons>we are camping 1 room for 6 hours>only way to explore is to come back 20 levels later to solo itFuck this game is dumb
>>3117591Well it's split into leveled sections so it's not like you could do the whole thing in one go anyway even if it weren't a camp based game.
why is monk considered by many to be an amazing puller?
>>3117662They have a get out of the jail card
>>3117662Because they are
>>3117662devs havent gotten around to making monks tank spells while fd yet
>>3117662i dont know why or how it works but ive seen a monk with a bow split a group by just spamming ranged attack then immediately FD. some mobs activate faster than others and move closer to the monk than the others each time
>>3117729Monk can't use bows, so he was probably slingin throwing knives, but yeah that's how we do it. They get a throw attack with a short CD that roots, as well as a knockback+snare, and an aoe stun move, so they have a lot of control over displacing mobs and spreading them apart. I think it's just luck of the draw when it comes to which will reset and start pathing back first, though.
>necros can let their dots tick while medding >eles can't use Companion Strike without standing up
>glass flats cultists are light blue>shattered skeletons & bone fields are light blue>keepers blight giants are light blue>glass flat undead tower are still blue but always have annoying damage shields and instant heals>shaded dunes pit are nothing but clericsWhere can I solo at 52/53 that has blues? I need to be able to fear kite so need room, anyone know?
>>3117907City guards?
Anyone here on EU want to sell a backpack in EW?
>crit haggle on magelight coresthe future is bright
Why do people insist this game has amazing social interactions when probably half of mine have involved some sperg having a meltdown over something very minor? Have I just been unlucky? It's not even normally directly at me they're mostly just bickering amongst themselves and a GMs have been called more than once while I sit silently wondering why they care so much.It actually has a noticeably more salty animosity filled atmosphere than most games I've played which is worsening the higher level I get. It's at the point where I'd rather just solo even though I planned to group regularly.
>>3117999>dwarf cleric (it's always dwarf players) starts crashing out over someone not knowing where we are>ask groups if they have room for one more, met with absolute silence>stumble into areas i've never been before, get threatened by the local poopsockers that if i keep harassing their camp they'll call a gm on methis is one of the most hostile communities i've ever seen in an mmo. sometimes it feels like they don't want new players around at all, because they're inconvenient or getting in the way of their autistic 8 hour daily grind.
guess I'll go make myself an account for adrooland
>>3118076>it's always dwarf playersbest not be talking about shit about my boy PUNT
>>3117335This >>3117391Seriously, fuck off dude. Are you serious?Yes, people should have to play the fucking game. You didn't get an invite to just sit there leeching xp and money while watching tabbed out jerking off.If you just want to go afk and leech xp, fine, but join a group with your FRIEND who is willing to let you do that. Don't sign up to go grind and then sit there jerking off.There's a massive difference between expecting people to sweat and expecting people to be basically engaged. It's massively disrespectful to just waste someone else's time and effort because you want to be a lazy asshole.
>>3118315>Yes, people should have to play the fucking game.I beg you all to please keep this attitude and don't give these fucking lazy brainless shitters an inch. I've watched first hand how this apologist behavior for these types of "people" ruined the NA community at large on FFXIV, nothing good comes from babying people too lazy/stupid/disabled to push their buttons.
>>3118315>There's a massive difference between expecting people to sweat and expecting people to be basically engagedIf anything my problem with mnm is no there's not, there's quite literally zero difference for me between "sweating" and just being regularly engaged. There's no level of interaction beyond the most utterly basic; pushing your buttons every 20-40 seconds, auto attacking, following the assist train, controlling adds or pulling actively, maintaining buffs, etc. Contrast this with something with Conquest of Azeroth/WoW dungeons where I could interact with the game by playing a basic dungeon or I could play high level mythic+ dungeons and start sweating my balls off as I have to perform every interaction perfectly and so do my teammates or me and my group instantly die, all the while on a dungeon timer, leaving me with this euphoric rush every time we pull off a good time in a high level dungeon with high fives going off all around as we just accomplished something really difficultThere is no comparable moment in mnm, there's basically no skill ceiling in this game, because every interaction is incredibly simple. If anything I wish I could sweat in this fucking game, but I can't, the only difficult thing is resisting falling asleep. You can call it trolling or whatever but there's nothing intrinsically difficult about any of its systems, they are just severely time consuming. Corpse runs aren't hardcore, they just make me know a guy or have a skill set to get my stuff back. Combat isn't difficult and for all the cope about being asked to use your brain and prep or whatever there's nothing to actually use your brain on. It sounds reductionist to say "push buttons" but anyone who actually plays shit like WoW and compares it to this game knows exactly what I mean, there's no decision tree you have to go through when you are asking how you want to push your buttons, they are just on long ass cooldowns and you press them as soon as they are up
>>3117357you don't have captain on there, he's on the front boat of the 5 boats in the water behind the wheel. It's an easy chill camp to clear out.
>>3117999Two reasons. First, it's because the GMs are engaging with them.There's a certain kind of authoritarian autist who is just genuinely obsessive with the rules, and the mere fact that the GMs treat their extremely petty camping grievances like they're important is what makes these retards take it so seriously in the first place.It's like when a kid trips and scrapes his knee: If you smile at him, laugh, and say "You goober!" the kid will start laughing, but if you gasp and go "Oh no!" he'll start shrieking. We're talking about manchildren here, so yeah, having their gayrod, fucking annoying behavior enabled is what's causing it to spread. If the GMs would ignore these faggots it would stop spreading.Second reason, zone matters. Everyone in Ail'Vorith is practically willing to suck your cock if you ask nicely. I came across a guy solo grinding in Blind Midden and asked if I could tag out with him to grind for a shield I needed, so he just gave it to me for free. Meanwhile, the second I set foot in Underdocks everyone suddenly became a bitter, enraged asshole. Too many bad interactions to even talk about.In Ail'Vorith things are difficult, which establishes pro-social behavior, and the population is low, so there's plenty of space to go around. Everyone remembers getting helped on a quest or something, so they also naturally want to pay it forward.Meanwhile in NH/UD, the population is way higher, so players are in competition for space, + there's a general sense of entitlement because the experience is more frictionless there. It's unironically Rat Utopia mentality.
>>3118384Oh yeah, I left him off because I figured it was so obvious I wouldn't need to remember. I also noticed Acolyte and Frenzied Ratman are on mnmatlas now, so orc supplier is the final one I have no idea on
>>3118367whats that anon you dont wanna spend 50 minutes doing your weekly dungeon run that can be done in 15?
>>3118315we don't do that in eq
>>3118437I unironically just stopped doing my daily roulettes since last expansion because of these people.
>>3118452hmmm whats that? there is 6+ mobs infront of me? *cracks knuckles* heh here comes the thunder*fucks up a 4 button single target rotation*
>>3118437>dailies>weekliesWorst thing ever happened in a MMO.
>>3118477EXCUSE ME XIR, WE ARE TARGETING THE PLAYERS WHO THINK WORLD OF WARCRAFT IS TOO MUCH FUN
>>3118477it would be fine if they were simply a bonus or a catch up mechanic to incentivize logging in a bit but instead they are the progression metric / the time gate.
Why do people have the RP tag on when not RPing?
>>3118477Our next expac is doing away with them and turning them into some gay ass a battlepass type thing, so things could always be worse :')
>>3118488it makes your name a cooler color than /anon
>>3118488so you can't just look them up
>>3118491Cant get worse than dailies in a MMO bc that means theyre no longer games. Cant kill what is already dead.
Any other monks notice that double-handed strike and flying kick have a combo with each other? I don't see anything about the interaction in either tooltip, but if you flying kick a target that's slowed by your double-handed strike, the target gets stunned. Kinda neat, but I'm wondering if this is truly an undocumented interaction, or if I'm blind and missing somewhere that tells the player about it?
>>3118494>>3118498I just feel like it immediately creates friction between players
>>3118514i just don't want to teleport you ok
devs are soulless if they didn't put the rainbow changing name color in for your characters birthday
>>3118536Dw. I've already put you on ignore.
>>3117026The developers have gotta fix that quest desu, or at least shove it down as a later class quest step and make the initial city access bit collecting shit like 7 deep beetle eyes or whatever.If they don't, it will become impossible for Wizard/Spellblade delf starts soon due to how it basically requires grouping.
>>3118551that saves both of us the trouble, thanks!
>let me use your class features for freeHmmm nyo
>Everquest Veterans & P1999 fans request basic quality of life feature>REEEEEEEEEEE GO BACK TO WOW THIS GAME CANNOT CHANGE ITS SUPPOSE TO HAVE FRICTION REEEEEEEEEEIs Shawn this retarded too or is it just the cultist who follow him?
>>3118720He is that retarded. Watch his streams sometimes. I am convinced he has no idea how his game works on player level and builds it as some kind of utopian dream he can marvel at.
>>3118509A general monk mechanic is if your target is off-balance you can use certain skills to stun the target. This is mentioned by various NPCs if you talk to them.Another example of this could be Hundred Fists after Quivering Palm.
>>3118764>This is mentioned by various NPCs if you talk to them.Why the fuck isn't it a tooltip?
>>3118720>>3118741All I know is he uses the word "Friction" a lot and his cult members like to use that constantly to defend against any valid criticsms.
I think the EQ boomers are in some ways getting a bad rap by accident. This game is retarded in deviating from EQ (which allowed for fun and overpowered classes to exist) design philosophy in many different ways. EQ mage alone shits all over this games necro and elementalist as a solo class; why is it not that way here? Muh friction, apparently. And on and on it goes.
The game is bordering on a cult: (1) you screen out troublesome members (their "filter'); (2) you make pain and sacrifice virtues, including paying a sub for very little game; (3) you have a "knowing leader and his cadre" who hold all the truths -- consult them; (4) you are asked to deny your own experiences and feelings in favor of a worldview where your feelings are to be "overcome." In this game, inconvenience, painful play, forced grouping: all seem to encourage cultism. An emperor's clothes situation, really.
>>3118769I'm really curious. What do you think the story of the monk starter quest is? If you had to summarize it briefly, why do you think your character was doing all those steps?
>>3118778Which is really mystifying to people like me because friction isn't a goal in and of itself, it's a tool to guide behaviors towards something you want as part of designing. If I want a social MMORPG, I need to set carrots and sticks that guide players towards being social. Friction isn't good in and of itself. You use friction in sandpaper to polish a surface, it's a tool with a use. You don't sandpaper your cock.
>>3118801I didn't play a monk and never intend to play mnm again, I am just intensely curious what the thought process behind leaving very pertinent information on how your skills work out of the tool tips that they already implemented in the game.Like, we are already committed to conveying all relevant information to the player when they mouse over an ability to spell. Why would someone choose to leave out that important interaction and put it in quest dialogue that you may or may not choose to engage with?
>>3118835because this game for all the much vaunted "skill" behind some of the devs is made by incompetent retards.an excellent example of this would be how none of the recipes in the game actually tell you about their stats, ingredients, or anything before you buy them.
Has anyone been able to do the evil side of the yowling quest? The first part works fine, but Mayana literally does not take the heads and ears even though she is literally asking for them.
>>3118909How does she know she can trust you?
>>3118922I'm wearing the ring. Wearing it or not wearing it, she doesn't want the things she is asking for.
>>3118928I just tested it and it's working. Are you giving a single item at a time?
>>3118952Yup I am. Are you a deep elf who did the quest with the guy in the harbor sewers area? That's the only thing I can think of that's screwing me up.
>>3118959Oh, sorry, I misunderstood. I know what your issue is. You're not supposed to continue the quest with Mayana with that route. You're looking for Ahlrina. They can be found in the Claw stronghold in the market
>>3118844The story behind recipes is even more hilarious. Originally there were none at all, you crafted just by combining right materials in right quantities, it was supposed to be community effort to discover recipes. Community did discover them and started to neatly wikifying them, which Shawn didn't like and introduced recipes you need to buy first.
>>3118977Thanks so much, weird you can do everything with Mayana up to that point then she just ignores you though.
>>3118980I never thought I'd say this but OSRS respects a players time more than this game.complete pie in the sky game design by people who don't play their own shit.
>>3118990everyone who plays already knowsyour thoughts are not anything new. nobody cares but you, a guy who doesn't even play this game.
>>3119000>no uBodied that freak
>>3119000>doesn't even play this gameI am playing this game as I type this, as evidenced by this picture. You are a retarded coping faggot.I will now accept your concession of complete and total defeat. You can now lick my feet if you want.
>>3119000>>3119017btfoed
>geriatric tries to no u don't play game stop attacking shawn!!!>immediately gets led to the euthanasia booth with in game FACTS and LOGICIs this thread located in Canada?
>>3119017post your canceled sub you rampaging turbo queef
>>3119036>p-p-p-post y-y-y-y-o--*sniffles*-u-r s-s*shits adults diapers*-ub!lmfao
>dev streaming>some drama with a volunteer discord mod gets brought up>guess someone made a youtube vid>dev streamer goes on a 20min rant about how it was all bullshit and pisses him off and that the game & team want nothing to do with political or woke shit and this game is meant to be a place to get away from shit like that (didnt literally say it like this but was obviously what he meant if you read between the lines)What video was he talking about?
>>3119036just accept the loss little man
>>3119038>>3119046if you're not samefagging you two should get a room and just FUCK
>>3119036>>3119055what a little tittybaby
>>3119038>>3119046>>3119057dick riding yourself like this is pretty sad NGL.
>>3119017brutal
>>3119063>>3119055>local schizophrenic has meltdown after being bodiedmore at 11
>the one guy responding to himself pretending to be 3 people calling someone else a schizo to boost his (you)'ssorry, faggot. I forgot your (you)'s
>not just doubling, but tripling down on the autism attack and now imagining that multiple anons are meall because little old me had the gal to refute the lazy "lol u don't play" slop.
>>3119092U DON'T EVEN PLAY FAGGOTPOST TITS AND ASSJOIN <NO FUN ALLOWED>
>>3119096>join a 4chan guildnear universally one of the worst choices you can make, I learned that in other games.
It's cute because he probably mixed you up with me (teens paladin who openly says I canceled my sub and got it refunded because the game is just that fucking ass)Yet for all his coping be will never address any of the actual arguments merely accuse you of not having drank enough of his Kool aid Sad shit to see
>niggers just talking to themselves in here
>everyone one guy
>>3118720cultists get their opinions from the cult leader anon
>>3118801i played a deep elf monk and it never mentioned shit nigga
>>3118782NO RAINSNO AOESNO PLAYER SUMMONSNO FUN BUT YOU WILL PAY THE GEM TAX
>>3119256Final destination?
>>3119256all they had to do was make EQ but prettier and with a few more modern features, how did it get turned into muh friction and muh difficulty? the developers behave like they're trying to make dork souls for sandwich eaters
>>3119282>muh frictiona lot of everquest developers read the path of exile developer blog about friction and completely missed the point.
>>3119144>turdie wow>pochie>ascension
>>3119282sorry WoW's prot warrior was better so you get wow prot warrior instead of EQ's retard warrior
>>3119303>pochieExplains a lot of this thread's shitposting.
>>3119336i swear the people from /xig/ and /wpsg/ come over here just to shitpost because their servers all suck
https://www.reddit.com/r/MonstersAndMemories/comments/1xfwpdl/mnm_companion_the_ultimate_loot_tracker_and_more/uh oh! everything that the naysayers said would happen in beta due to the lack of qol, a loot system, and others things is now happening! third party apps for everything in game!
>>3119348/wpsg/ has at least one newfag who always takes being noticed as a personal attack and will shit up the thread during that timeframe as much as he can -- much like how resident non-quoting tittybaby newfag bitch.
>>3119358>newfag>newfag>newfagKudos to whoever was first to call you a newfag because it absolutely broke you and you've never recovered.
>forums and discord tell people who have issues to go play wow>haven't played since legion but check battlenet account>have 80 bucks sitting in account I forgot about >forever is out in a weekThanks for the idea discord drones. I'll play that for free for a little bit and maybe in 6 months Shawn will have said 2 words on stream about today's issues and how they're "waiting for more data."
>>3119370See? Lol.
>>3119374DATA STATUS : MONITORED
>>3119376>he sees me in the mirror in the morning>i talk to him, I'm his bowl of cheerios>good day I sayFUCK YOU CHEERIOS
>>3119303I had fun in the ascension 4chan guild though. Worst I could say is it got real raid loggy by the end of it
made muh doorland act butt havent downloated yet
>>3119353Listen nigger.>pulls up the wiki to see where it's most optimal to grindYou need to understand that here in MnM we do things differently.>refuse to leave NH until I've got a full 6-man of geared autists with only the most meta class compositionWe absolutely love the friction and see it as a good thing.>opens ShowMnM on another monitorAnd if you don't like it you should go back to WoW where you came from.>checks damage meter parse to make sure you're pulling your weight
anyone else play this game on a second monitor?
>>3119536I only managed to survive playing to 14 by virtue of having a second monitor for something engaging to watch while "playing" my sandwich eating simulator
>>3119454You forgot>And do the things we did in EQ>>opens g2g to check if his level 12 untwinked necromancer has sold
they need to fix channeling, this shit is the most pointless fucking skill in the game currently.it would also massively help with a few classes being able to at least solo light blues without torturing yourself, i.e, wizard
>>3119610at what level cant you solo light blues as a wizard?
>>3119635You "can solo" via the root/kite song and dance, but rooting and kiting is honestly miserable and limits you to a few specific zones.
>>3119610Does it even do anything? I'm still constantly interrupted at max skill level and cc when the mob is attacking me never fucking works
>>3119689it hasn't limited me at all. TK + root + big nuke
Sisters, I got 34 last night at tomb beetles and just bought final fantasy resonance because I'm gay and I want to signal to square that I want them to make more real jrpgs. Am I the target audience for mnm or will Shawn not like that
>>311973034 wiz and channeling either doesn't work or is totally useless. Luckily I'm never in range but still
>>3119734>he didn't buy the FFT remakeit's like you're gay and have bad taste.
>>3119730>>3119737What's bizarre to me is that I'm a 29 Cleric, and the deep dive for this class explicitly said that my ability to use plate was supposed to give me the ability to often shrug off attacks while spellcasting.In actuality, there's no such thing. 100 channeling or 1, go and aggro some level 1 rat and you will be interrupted just as often as before. I genuinely think that maybe it's bugged, or they simply forgot to implement it.
>>3101286This game is fucking amazing! I’ve been no-lifing it every day since release and I’ve not gamed in years. Literally just finished a TE group session that lasted 5 straight hours. Love it.
>>3101416SPBs hit like a truck though. I’m sure they’ll flesh it out in time.
>>3101581I’ve yet to have an instance where I cannot find a group. It’s been solid the whole way.
>>3101803I doubt it>>3102049Put in minimal effort and you’ll find a group. Don’t just stand at the bank spamming “11 enc lfg”. That never works. What I do is pick a spot I’d like to go to, do /who got it, and then just go down the list asking to join. Usually you get something or you can ask to be told when one leaves which usually happens quickly.
>>3102633Nah, it’s gonna be fine. WOW Forever? Who cares lol.
>>3119282all the EQ Legends devs had to do was tune encounters and zones already created and they couldnt do that either. modern devs lost the plot.
Logged in today planning to farm some blue named guys for badly needed gear. Ran to four separate camps in two zones. All camped by solos or duos 10+ levels higher than the named itself. Fuck it, I'm out
>>3119353Could see this coming the second devs decided to use Discord and Reddit as their primary tools for communication. Stepped on their own dicks.
>>3119794We did this in EQ
>>3119039>>dev streamer goes on a 20min rant about how it was all bullshit and pisses him off and that the game & team want nothing to do with political or woke shit and this game is meant to be a place to get away from shit like that (didnt literally say it like this but was obviously what he meant if you read between the lines)I fucking HATE woke shit so much. The virtue sinnaling hypocrisy. The empty vapid projection of their own insecurities. The exploitation of power from mentally ill control freaks on adhd meth. The self-diagnosis from google and webmd. The arrogance and self righteousness while being so wicked and cruel. The terminally online bullshit.But let me say this. I will see if this is true or if you're just mentally ill, and come back to report my judgement on you.90% chance you're mentally ill and just imaginaning this bc Shawn doesn't seem like the type to be anti-woke at all. Most devs aren't, unfortunately. Lots play into the woke bullshit or at least dont come out swinging against it like you imply.>>3119246>cultists get their opinions from the cult leader anonYea but the cult leader never actually believes in what he tells his followers. It's all bullshit he exploits them bc they're weak.
>>3119823Just to add to this, it doesn't always work but actually going up to camps and asking often works too. An immediately available rep often beats a more desirable class, and you being there often gives group members excuses to take a break
>>3119879>utter schizo postwoah so these are the people shitposting about hating the game
>>3119892gottem with the 2016 buzzword, newfriend :-)
>>3119879shawn absolutely throws hatchets at the bar and would buy dudecrates if he lived in the usa.
>>3118801>I'm really curious. What do you think the story of the monk starter quest is? If you had to summarize it briefly, why do you think your character was doing all those steps?I started as a deep elf so my class quest was to stop being a slave and the house quest was just to pledge allegiance to the queen.
>>3119892not you though, you're special because only special boys can gargle shawn's cum like a champ
>>3119924this guy is an EXPERT
>>3119924>not you though, you're special because only special boys can gargle shawn's cum like a champI truly will never understand why people do this. Like... is it a bisexual or gay thing? I legitimately ask curiously not even conservative trolling or anything. To me it's like...it would just be so degrading to cumguzzle some guy. I get simping for women bc men can get real lonely and desperate. Women can be smoking hot too. But like...why would anyone ever glaze someone like Shawn even if they idolized and respected him as a game designer or whatever? Almost every "hero" I have ever respected deeply and admired, I would never even come close to glazing and almost immediately would come out against them with criticisms of their flaws. And the moment they betray what I once respected by doing some hypocritical or 180 thing or showing ANY incompetence I immediately crash and spit on them like they're pathetic losers who I don't respect anymore.So even people I admire, I'm SIGNIFICANTLY more likely to criticize or antagonize than to glaze. So why the fuck do so many grown ass men glaze ppl like Shawn or some Streamer they watch or politician or whoever.
>>3120031>conservative trollingis this some reddit or facebook or whatever social media buzzterm?
https://forum.monstersandmemories.com/d/2753-final-rank-of-pet-weapons-limited-to-mallet-onlyanother good example of just how underbaked (inb4 muh EA, EA was a mistake and it should have remained in beta for another year due to how MMO release perceptions work) the game is, not only do only one of the elementalist summoned weapons have a final tier (did they forget to implement the others), they also have zero scaling when mobs with 50k health are factored in with 50 bonus damage proc effects.the people in that thread aren't talking about it, but same goes for their damage shield.
>>3119761Same, I even took consentration as my traited skill during character creation, and it never once seemed to make a difference no matter how much I leveled it. Sure, I would get the occasional "you kept your concentration" or whatever message, but I am not convinced that is reliant on the level of skill
>>3119823>Put in minimal effort and you’ll find a group. Don’t just stand at the bank spamming “11 enc lfg”. That never works.I would literally describe that as minimal effort. What you just described is the equivalent of being a door to door salesman or telemarketer, personally reaching out and cold calling individuals, which is a much higher degree of effort and by no means minimal.I take issue with your framing of the situation and it is only going to get worse as more people drop the game.
>>3120053the problem is also that it usually doesn't work. most groups are either full or simply won't respond.
Simply walk into the group and give the leader a firm handshake
>>3120069hehe
>>3120069with the hand you just used to scratch your nuts, as he gives you one back with the hand he used to scratch his nuts, and then you guys just had gay sex while looking each other in the eye
>>3119374>guys they bullied me into quitting>guys they bullied me into playing the 30$ streamer addon server
>>3101286This game rules
>>3119877Oh cool. Shut the fuck up then lol.
>>3120225Thanks for the reply, Shaun!
>>3120225>5 silver has been deposited into you bankOld Sebilis thanks you for posting despite these rough times of churn loyal boomer.
>>3119144the p99 guild was chill
i didnt know it was funny monday what are you guys on today
Arcane archer would have been much cooler than archer and spellblade
Got one character to nearly level 30, another to level 13. Think I'm done.If I had to describe the problems of the game in order, the first three would be the EA release, the developers, and the community. This game is inexcusable as a paid product, EA simply does not work for MMO's. The developers are out of touch morons of which only 2 members of the team have played a character past 30; every single systems level design flaw originates from this being an IDEA of a game that exists in Shawn's head, one that does not translate well to reality. The pursuit of friction is so extreme that I have known multiple EQ boomer types, even a few P99 sweatlords who have been turned off by each class feeling like weak garbage compared to their EQ counterparts. "Balance" insomuch as it exists appears to come exclusively in the form of endless nerfs.Finally the community is almost as big of a problem as the devs, and the retarded fortress mentality (which I have suspicions is largely coming from people who do not even cleave to the standards they look to impose) actively enables to developers to be as out of touch and pie in the sky as they are. That's my thoughts, at least. I give it 50/50 odds of the game surviving to the next year without a significant shakeup, or at an absolute minimum extreme drama and an exodus among the volunteer devs, if the drama is as bad as I hear rumored.
>>3120650What do you mean by retarded fortress mentality? Also as far as classes compared to their EQ counterparts: did I just get lucky with Monk? It feels so much stronger than I remember EQ monks being.
>>3120650too many players in the community are actual dickheads. maybe they should read the message logs once in a while. it's what happens when real life losers get their first crumb of power feelings in their entire life.
no one will group up with you because the game punishes grouping past like 3-4. having 5 or 6 in a group is literal charity, you sabotage your xp and it's not worth it. there should be an xp bonus that outweighs the xp split to encourage partying up.
>>3120663>what do you mean by retarded fortress mentalityThe plethora of "go back to wow" "maybe it's not for you" style posts that are deploying in response to even the most minute, minor critique of the game or pushback on some of the so called friction. The absurdity of the primary vectors for the community being reddit or discord, and those places being such obnoxious echochambers that unless you cachet a post in mandatory praise of the Vision, you'll get downvoted to oblivion. Most of all the embarrassing double standard in which the same people who pushback on "casualization" or "making the game more like wow" also overlook the many things this game took from WoW, and often will be wiki warriors with half their other screen taken by the atlas site as well. People like to joke ITT about "we did that in EQ" but unironically if this game actually did things more like EQ, a lot of the problems would go away.>did I just get lucky with monkIt crashes and burn by the time you get to 30ish.
the pvp server is honestly pretty cool so far
>>3120678Wouldn't the kill times make up for the exp "loss" or has someone actually done the math? Were talking 6 players actually pulling weight not dad's having to deal with their neglected kids while I just want to fuckin' game
>>3120723I've thought about that too but I don't think it makes up for it
>>3120725con'tbecause non-dps classes do almost as much as dps so it's not worth it. dps would have to do like twice as much damage as they do now to be worth having along
the point of having 5 or 6 people is so you still have 4 people when people suddenly say they have to leave(Unless you're gonna organize parties Japanese-style where people travel together, commit to 4 hours together, and then quit together.)
>>3120650Oh sit down, you dork. The game is great.
>>3120671Problem must be you as the community has been nice as hell. The way you and the dork you’re replying to talk tells me exactly what the problem is.
>>3120748>>3120753be more defensive pierced weirdo
Can you sharpen a tarnished weapon into a higher grade or does that only work for rusty?
>>3120748>the game is greatThe game isn't even as good as Everquest fanservers. The drive toward friction and obsession over balance has turned all the classes into boring slop. They will never make anything as fun as EQ Shadowknight, they won't even give Elementalists COTH lmao.
>>3120678theres no 3-4 player group meta, quit falling for shit you read on the internet
>>3120800Loooool
>>3120803whered you read that shit anyway, the mnm retard subreddit?
probably the most concise and simple description I've seen of the same issues and dissatisfaction I've had with EA compared to my time in the beta.maybe this game will magically become better when 90% of the population quits, but given the overall state of balance and the bizarre and bad class reworks going into EA, I'm not so sure.
>economy of the game and tradeskills have already been permaruined, with steel weapons going for only 50s and being bis until level 30-40 on many characters>the first people who churned them out apparently made multiple plat>if you try to blacksmith steel weapons you now will now barely (if even) be able to break evenit's impressive genuinely, usually it takes games months or years for everything to go to shit.
>>3120919God why are crafters such whiney little shits in every online game? You'd think if you cared about crafting at all you'd understand basic supply and demand, obviously their value goes down once the demand is met... like no shit dude, and water is wet. Just go fucking punch some skeletons like the rest of us, your dreams of being MMO Jeff Bezos are never going to happen.
>>3120926>dreams of being MMO Jeff BezosI just wanted to use engage with one of the central game mechanics to make some pocket change, but by all means cope harder. You shouldn't make more money in one hour of punching orcs to death than in 20 of grinding tradeskills with obscene upfront costs.
>>3120930So you're telling me you have to pay 50s in molds to make a steel weapon?
>>3120919for crafting to be good in an mmo it needs to copy daoc and have item degradation
>>3120932To level up until you're able to make steel weapons? Absolutely, and by that point the payoff is nil.>muh bleff blezosHave you considered the ramifications on new players in the future?
>>3120932the demand is gone, all of the poop sock crafters second hand steel weapons are now worth 30-40s on resale. The only way to make money now is to sell enchanted steel plate sets but most crafters are minimum effort shitters who quit at weapons and don't have the capital necessary to boost enchanting.
>>3120935>factoring in the cost of leveling the tradeskillGod crafters are fucking retarded.
>>3120934This. Everyone fucking hates item degredation, but it's just flat-out necessary or else the economy won't work.
i'm probably done for the next half a year and will check back in around then, game is almost unbelievably underbaked even when put side by side with EQ. hopefully some of you guys will be able to beat into the volunteers minds that the classes almost universally need a ton more fleshing out/balancing and a few rounds of buffs.
>>3120937>but most crafters are minimum effort shitters who quit at weaponsCrafting basically stopped at Steel Weapons on Estaire. Literally nobody is selling Steel Armor but I was told because it required materials from level 50+ mobs. Dudes not even trying to sell bronze/iron cloaks either
>>3120972It's because the costs versus returns when effort is factored in are simply not worth it. Unless you're level 50 and rolling in plat you simply will never be able to bear the upfront cost across multiple trades (since they're all interlinked, jewlery is the worst example of this) nor be able to pump things out at the scale required for it to actually be more profitable than going out and killing things.
i dont give a fuck about the repetitive grinding, high level campers, zones that are too big, shallow world, or the lack lack of meaningful skill expression or character progression. if female trolls arent dummy thick with thighs made for breeding i am cancelling my sub to go masturbate to panda bears in wow instead.
>>3120992careful, she'll rip your giblets out and stick em in a stew
>>3120945>Everyone can level tradeskills>You require an initial flat deposit which enables you to make gear>Except that gear is never removed from the economy, leading to endless inflation>"Just pull up your bootstraps and make that initial deposit well after everyone else has, bucko!"You are genuinely the biggest dumbfuck in this thread rn, and if you aren't literally a dev or goylenteer you should be genuinely ashamed for having such a stupid opinion. Anyone who has ever played an MMO before knew exactly, just by glancing at their system, how it was going to play out
>>3120903I followed news of the game and knew way before launch it was intended to be a camping game like early EQ, so I got exactly what I wanted in that regard. Kinda funny that the betas seem to have given people the opposite impression; I never played those.The game obviously doesn't have any advertising to speak of, so I guess a lot of people stumbled onto it without knowing what to expect. I suppose it'll be up to players to get the word out about how it actually plays.
>>3121018A bloo bloo bloo, how much does it fucking cost you to make a steel weapon you crybaby? The deposit is a deficit you need to cover, it has nothing to do with profits.
>>3121028>how much does it fucking cost you to make a steel weapon you crybabyA lot of Zimbabwe dollars that a newbie doesn't have until he levels up. Then he can sell it for more Zimbabwe dollars that he doesn't need by the time he has leveled it. That's the point, retard.Just another case of boomer "fuck you I got mine" mentality that sabotages everything they touch.
>>3121033I am, again, not asking about leveling. What is the fucking MATERIAL COST versus SALE PRICE which is ostensibly ~50s per his whining. Absolutely retarded to whine you can't immediately cover the cost of grinding through three tiers of crafting on a few sales at the end, the real question is what is the profit margin?
oh no smithing hit a dead endgee what about alchemy? are people going to just buy fitty stacks of consumables and be like fuck naw im good or life manigga?hell no, they're going to pay 10 silver a pot nigga10 silvera potyou need to get that alchemy rollin nigga.
>>3121028One look at the recipe and mold costs should tell you it costs an absurd amount of money to be able to make a steel weapon.It was quite possibly the worst decision ever made. Crafting died the moment EA launched.
>>3121046dem mold makers be rollin in it nigga. rollininittme to pack up and start making molds
>>3121046Okay so per the wiki>17c per mold for iron bar>50c per mold for steel ingot>67c total in mold costs for a steel ingot>heaviest steel cost weapon is steel battleaxe/great scythe/warhammer at 9 steel ingots per weapon>6s3c overheadWell I see why anon was so evasive about answering the simple question.
>>3121060rollininit
>>3120934DAOC was the superior game in every way. Replaced corpse runs without losing anything too.
>>3121067yeah.i do want to give the original EQs world design credit though. Maybe world design is not the right word because daoc had a great world, but there is some kind of 'friction' that is a legitimate quality that EQ had that made exploring in it fun. I dont know what it was, but daoc didnt have it despite still being beautiful
>>3121067DAoCs dungeons and items were shit. Frankly the PvE DAoC experience was massively lacking
>>3121067daoc was garbage
>>3121085i liked it. i mean items yeah, it was built around crafting which is why its crafting system was good. But it had a nice world map and its dungeons were well layed out, better than this game anyway
>>3121092daoc was greatIt didnt have dogshit endgame because its endgame was grinding RR which was effectively endless.It had the right balance of solo vs group in that everyone could solo but everyone was better off grouping by a degree enough to encourage people to seek out groups.Its crafting is the best in any mmo everIts problems were buff bots, and darkness falls really changed rvr into a quick 'unlock darkness falls' minigame instead of what it should have been. So really the game was best on launch and they made it worse over time. They also added more pve endgame stuff over time ruining it further.Their battlegrounds system was far superior to the current mmo standard introduced by WoW. Really it was fantasy planetside with a large pve safe area/crafting element tacked on. That makes for a good mmo.
>>3120678>there should be an xp bonussomeone said in the past that they actually did implement an xp bonus for grouping and that this is just the state of the game
>>3121113>Its crafting is the best in any mmo everYou didn't play many mmos then.
vgsoh's crafting was great.
The camp issue will probably resolve itself once the population halves and they flesh out the world more. The real issue is the dog shit boring class design, ridiculously expensive crafting and the lack of incentive for leveling beyond watching the number go up. That class designer they fired must have been completely incompetent because it's crazy that they're still this bad after a full round of overhauls.
>>3121135ive played a lot of mmos.tell me one with a better crafting system?In daoc:1. the best gear came from crafting and it was fully customizable later on (i think the first expansion added this?)2. being a crafter was actually a commitment, most people did not craft and high level crafters were known to the server and took orders from people 3. crafting was time gated, it actually took time to level it up and that was what made it an accomplishment to level. Anyone could do it, but few wanted to.4. crafting was not tedious and finicky though. You could just buy the materials to craft with from npcs, you didnt have to run all over the place or find niche things. It was purely based on your willingness to sit there and watch crafting bars go up.The rate of item decay was also perfectly balanced with the durability and quality level and how they interacted so that you had plenty of warning, items actually felt like they were starting to wear out prompting you to get a replacement before they became unusable.The way this worked with leveling was also great because you would always outgrow your gear before it broke so it was only really a concern for people at the level cap.The fact that people leveling needed gear also meant crafters leveling up could always sell their stuff to people.Item degradation works way better than item binding systems at keeping a need for fresh items while feeling organic and not nonsensical.Ive played a lot of mmos and daoc has had the best crafting. Its even better than 'muh player economy' based games like eve because crafting is handled by crafting alts there, in daoc your character could be a crafter as part of your character identity, not you the player with your sociopathic puppetry of alts.
>>3121135not anon but i really enjoyed Vanguards limp crafting because i don't know better. i liked the 3 sphere idea in general actually.
>>3121166oh, and every recipe was useful. If you while grinding on a certain item got lucky and produced a high quality version of it someone would want to buy it. There were no leveling only recipes that just went straight to the vendor.And because crafting had to be done at the crafting area in cities people wanting an item crafted knew were to go. They could just walk to the craft area and ask if anyone could make them x and usually get someone who was interested.
>>3121173and the reason this worked is because crafting took time so crafters actually had to be glued to that area for hours at a time, so the crafters were in the crafting area crafting. It worked on so many levels because of the way it all interacted together.
he really typed all of that like this is 90% of that is unique to daoc. point 4 is actively awful.
>>3121161fighter is finecleric is overpoweredpaladin is fineDK is fine, just takes a lot of gear to be finedruid needs better mana management and maybe 9% less expensive nukeswizard needs a cheap nuke line and it should be frost. Wizard also needs to not get interrupted like every melee hit is a kick, especially when caster mobs don't. also, shamans and wizards should get a purge that removes 2 magic spells and damage shield should always take priority. archer is fine but archer and spellblade should have been merged from the beginning. The lack of available bows is shit. Fletching needs an overhaul and we need cultural crafting asapspellblade needs an overhaul, it has zero utility whatsoever monk is fantasticranger is shit and rotations are shit. half the duration and cooldown of recuperate.bards are lacking in utility but are otherwise fineafter 150 skill invis spells shouldnt just randomly dropshaman needs the cooldown on cannibalize removed and the alternate line removed but in return it can cost more health. enchanter slow should be removed but they should keep haste. elementalists should get an ultravision face slot summon and it should cost a peridot. rangers should get some 40% overhaste clicky shoulder slot itemenchant x cast by an enchanter should sometimes not use an enchanting reagentdeep elf only piwafwis and misty step necklaceswood elf only elven cloaks, gloves, and bootsHigh elves should be able to swing goblins over their heads as is tradition.
>>3121216recover arrows should work without corpses nearby on a zone wide loot system that only collects your arrows at a random 5-25% chance of recoverylanterns should be roughly twice as brightwizards should pick one specialization at 40; illusion which gives shroud of the magi IVU, makes it last longer, and not end early, abjuration which gives them a fast cast dispel magic, conjuration which turns blink into a targetable misty step, divination which gives innate see invis and detect magic
>>3121216Archer is not fine. It's boring as hell, has nothing to do in groups but mash 3 buttons and the entire tinkering / fletching side of the job is ridiculously unfinished.
>>3121245yeah but look at what it has to offer, you get a spell that lights an enemy up like a christmas tree, a ranged backstab, what else do they need a buff to run speed? They take a lot of effort to solo
>>3121166Sure.For pure engagement to the crafter:Ryzom, Vanguard, EQ2, FFXI, FFXIV in that orderFor mechanical complexity and rpg elements:Anarchy OnlineFor economical impact:EVE, UO, Albion
I've been soloing this named for a bow drop for about 3 hours now and i got an entire yellow bar's worth of exp and maybe 50 silver for mostly afk farming
>>3121253>For economical impact:this is the only category that matters because if you dont have this then the rest is irrelevant, crafting becomes a hobby not a profession. and as i said already eve is shit because you just use a bunch of crafting alts. If eve was different about its alt and multibox problem it would probably be the best mmo, but eves progression system being divorced from player time investment means it only works if you had a strict monocharacter policy. Otherwise its trash as we seei dont know how UO did crafting. albion (online?) does not have a good crafting system because its gathering is in an open world pvp setting where its not about crafting but about control of resources.mmos are about grinding for power and daoc did that perfectly for crafting. The crafting product was central to the game itself, everyone was wearing crafted gear, and only a small percent of people bothered being crafters, not because it would not pay off if they did, but because it was a huge time investment. The game was not telling them not to craft because it would be difficult or unprofitable, they decided not to craft because they did not want to be a crafter.If everyone does crafting its already a bad system.
>>3121216I think most of them just need more interactivity and room for skill expression. The skill ceiling is on the floor for a lot of them. Also actually having exciting new abilities after level 30 so you have something to look forward to beyond paying 5000 silver for eat sandwich IV.
>>3121297Economical impact only relevant when we consider full loot sandboxes, which is why all games in that category are full loot sandboxes.I still don't get why you are trying to present daoc crafting as next best thing since sliced bread when it had literally nothing unique to it.
>>3121325It fits with the game well. daocs crafting within daoc is the most enjoyable system. You cant say that because someone else has done or does some part of daocs system that invalidates my position. daoc feels designed for the crafting system and it plays within the game in a way that no other mmo has accomplished.Economical impact is not only relevant in full loot sandboxes. daoc managed to produce what makes crafting good in those kinds of games with out having to be that kind of game due to its item deterioration system, which is also way better than any other item deterioration system ive encountered because it managed to gain the benefits of having an item deterioration system with out the frustrating feelings that other games with such system produce, and which full loot pvp games also produce. You wind up outgrowing items or them slowly wearing out on you, so there is no sense of loss, there is just the slow transition from gear set to gear set perpetually keeping crafting relevent and indeed central with out any kind of negative experience occurring.It also has way more social aspect built around crafting. Take EVE for example. Due to its market system you never have to send a renown crafter a message asking them to produce something for you. The whole crafting system is invisible to most players. But where in other kinds of games the need to contact a crafter would be a frustration, the slow deterioration of items in daoc means you never have real urgency, its something you do when they are announcing themselves as taking orders.The overall way the crafting experience in daoc worked for crafters and people needing crafters managed to both have crafter necessity for the players and real investment in time and effort for the crafter, with out a single step of frustration. Everything was smooth.Every other 'crafting game' ive played is just full of endless bullshit.
>people actually saying they don't like camping and want instances in this gameThe fuck?You are not entitled to exp every time you log in (I loved this line from the last thread, it's so real).You are part of an ever living world that your fellow player also inhabits and you must work togetherThe fuck type of game you think this is?This is the best game released in the last 10 years and competes with private ffxi for that golden feeling (of heading to work and wanting to immediately take a shit and read the wiki for the game). t. 43 Inq, 32 Spb, 24Shm (Trem)Really thinking to make a ranged dps on Vesp.
>>3121409>you must work togetherExcept everyone outside of your party is direct liability to have around unless your party isn't full.
>>3121037>Clearly not grasping how the game's intentionally inflationary economy leads throws a wrench into this whole subject matterNevermind, you are genuinely too low IQ to get anything I'm talking about.
>>3121297>If everyone does crafting its already a bad systemBingoGo figure one of the few high IQ people in this thread would be a fellow daoc fan
>>3121420It's funny because for as much "socialization" as boomer mmos are supposed to prompt, somehow they designed a game where literally only your party is desirable to have around. Non party members are straight up a detriment to your xp and even your life (lol trains)
theres no reason to pay a crafter for iron gear when rusty steel is just as cheap from a vendor and costs the same or less
>>3121420the party at the camp over can rez your cleric if you wipe
>>3121460You're just whining you can't recoup all your costs overnight with mid-game mundane weapon crafts, cry more idiot and also >>3121060
>Fix rotating to a random direction when getting on or off a ship or lift
>>3121216Shadow Knight is fucking trash, our only mitigation passives are when we are below 25% health at which point we are already fucking dead. HALF of our whole toolkid is completely fucking useless hot garbage. You could delete a majority of the "complaints" spells out of the game right now and nobody would miss them.
I miss Ghorast...
>>3121725I feel the fear problem is simply they haven't coded in undead requiring undead-specific fear yet. There are probably a gorillion bugs like that.I feel like a lot of complaints come down to the game being ea run by volunteers and isn't polished yet. Even single player games that are commercial products in early access go years with systems being incomplete, never mind something as complex as an mmo.But it's hard to judge whether something is implemented as they intended. Plus there's the issue that even if you label it as EA, people are paying money and are going to expect SOME kind of proper experience.
>>3121803They had 6 years. This is not 2 years in dev fast tracked into ea, there was ample time to do the most basic shit they are still somehow missing.
i dont like how wizard and druid ports make it less special to be a low level character from another starting location in someone elses starting location. Its a nice feeling that can only exist within the first week of these kinds of games.
>>3121820and how many bugs still exist in EQ despite being a commercial product for 25 years?
>>3121828You're supposed to tip about 1g for a port. If you try and scum a portal as one of your first actions in a server you may as well enable SSF.
>rusty steel start dropping around 45>this finally drops around 53Its crazy how rare this was
>>3121883Anon EQ took less time to develop, released with bigger world and it all fucking worked better than mnm does currently.
how much does a port cost in reagents?
>>3121956to be fair i dont know if its technically bigger but they had significantly more zone diversity which means a lot more. its embarrassing how bland 80% of this game is. how do you make a fantasy world and say yeah fucking desert lets go.
>>3121988porting is free, it only costs mana
>>3121997>how do you make a fantasy world and say yeah fucking desert lets go.So we're ignoring the sea, the depths, and the forest zones?
>>3122075the depths are just fungus caverns with a castle... and fungus caverns with a ca-
>>3122068so I paid 1g for nothing?
>>3121997i think the devs are based in arabia somewhere arent they?
>>3122087you paid 1g for a convenience service
someone said for the yowling you need to turn in both a hand and a head (not generals head, but regular bloodynose head) is this correct? i thought they were just for raising faction
>>3122087Yes, im lvl53 and I pay like 10 silver for a port and its common to pay like 5-10 silver
>>3122087Who the fuck told you porting should cost 1g? I'm literally the GM of DaP on Trem and we have explicit rules about not charging for ports. I get a tip between 0 and 10 silver for a port right now typically
>>3121216>fighter is finelol?>cleric is overpowereddelusional>paladin is fineit's "ok" but boring>dk is finedelusional>druid needs better mana managementdruid needs a rework>archer is fineleast played and worst class in the game>enchanter slow should be removedokay now you're just trolling
>>3122255*daps you up*
>>3122266all of archers shit should have just been given to rogue/ranger
they need to buff basically every single class but necro currently, they all feel mid af.
>>3121923The ports are free but if I have to go get your body that'll cost ya
>>3122266Archer is extremely gear dependent but it's one of the best DD classes in the game.
>>3122342>it's one of the best DD classes in the gameIt's strictly inferior to spellblade, rogue, wizard, and probably every other DD. I can't count the number of times I've seen archers shoot only to do 1 damage. Retarded class with no utility at all for the group or the self. Tax on playing with you having to chop wood between pulls. Oh, also you will get banned if you try to play the class like it seems to want you to, and kill enemies from safe higher elevations/ramps.
>>3122306sure why not give ranger 11 more buttons?
>>3122356literally yes
>multiple weeks since EA launch>been waiting and hoping for them to be working on the deep elf areas, finishing the class quests and fleshing out the area a bit more>they added some sparkly mushrooms and lights and that's basically itUh, I'm gonna be honest guys, if this is the type of development pace that can be expected even in response to relatively urgent issues, I can't see things going well. Taking 15 dollars a month negates muh volunteer devs as an excuse for glacial releases.
>>3122363>Tens of Thousands of Standing Grass Blocks Added to Harvest Reach, Leont Meadows and Cape Corvus>The Moorhaven Has Been Given Thousands More Tall Grass Blocks>Thousands of Colorful Flowers/Foliage Added to Cliffwood Nazeadrullanfags stay #winning sucks to hear about all of these lack of updates for your paid beta :(
>>3122363>Uh, I'm gonna be honest guys, if this is the type of development pace that can be expected even in response to relatively urgent issues, I can't see things going well.We do that in Pantheon.
>>3122374Flash test status?
>>3122398Still waiting
>>3122374I unsub after putting down money for one month as policy when trying out new MMO's/liverservice games so it's not that much of a problem, I won't forget and keep giving them money.But as someone who got a character to level 30 and one to 20, I'm obviously part of the audience for the game in some way. Over half of my friends list no longer logs on, and I can't help but wonder how many will be people who wanted to play the game like me, but were offput by the weaksauce class balance and absolute crawl of updates. At this rate, the actual content expansions will each take years to individually make and implement, and the game will be deader than some P99 servers by then.Oh also on the off chance that one of the volunteers comes here, wtf are you guys thinking waiting to balance classes until all the races are in?
>>3122411>Oh also on the off chance that one of the volunteers comes here, wtf are you guys thinking waiting to balance classes until all the races are in?did they really say this?
>>3122420yes, they're refusing to touch damage numbers among other things until all the races are in.I think (I may be wrong on this one) that they also don't plan to do passes until all the deep dives are fully implemented in game as well, remember hearing that somewhere.
>>3122374sorry bro, I just can't get into Minecraft
>>3122480I made an account on reddit just to downvote everybody's blog posts.
>>3122374now dump minecraft's game engine and redo it all in hytale and I'm in
why is it everyone poop socked to steel weapons butstill no enchanted steel armornobody did enchanted leather or tailoring
>>3122555tank stats and melee dps is all that matters in everquest (and this game). technically healer mana matters but the other 2 directly influence that more.
>>3122363Hey the loom in UD works now!
>>3122571if i were a money making man, selling enchanted leather/cloth would be most fortuitous rather than bitching about how nobody is buying muh steel weaponsdoes anyone have an accurate fletching craft skill update? Miraheze is swarthy swarthoid aids and hasn't been updated since the beta.
>>3122614I don't know the actual impact of stats on melees currently to make a sweeping statement but you'd probably be broke. Casters don't have the money and unless they need a specific mana breakpoint to make solo things viable they don't need to buy gear.Melees might do it because they tend to be retarded but I honestly suspect its like everquest and 75% of the power of their character is tied to the weapons(this is a gross exaggeration depending on when you played)
>>3122623big difference between someone with 29 str/dex and someone with 100+ str/dex and a steel weapon
>>3122342doesnt matter how good something is if its not well designed or fun to play
>>3122652show parses please at every level range
>>3122350>Shoot to do 1 damageOh no that means it's the worst DPS class in da game right?FOH with that retard take and your level 13 experience with Archer.
>>3122652haven't people been bitching about damage caps?
>>3122684Different guy but caster stats absolutely have a massive effect on performance
>>3122706At 60? Maybe.At 39 they didn't do shit on my necromancer.
>>3122705yeah people who have no fucking idea what they're talking about
>>3122710wow because at 39 they do a whole lot on my wizard.
>>3122722show numbers please because i didn't even gain 10% to my spells. you could tell me the stat formulas were completely broken and i would believe you but i have no proof of anything other than my 36 lifetap going up by like 5 points.
this game actually made me want to play EQ2
>>3122735Wish there was eq2emu. I am not giving daybreak money to play TLP and live is fucking aids of unchecked power creep and p2w.
>>3122735This but Vanguard
>>3122731about 8 more damage per volley hit, nukes do ~40% more damage compared to naked. it's pretty substantial and I'm not even geared that well just ~100 int
>>3122735>play eq2 back in vietnam>try it again a few years back>what i enjoyed was lvling in the new version of the old zones>exp was boosted by like 1000%>exp flew so quick I couldnt enjoy anything unless I only cared about getting max lvl asap
i got a free level 80 or something character on eq2had all of the buttons filled out premadewtf do i even doworse than buying a boosted world of warcraft character by a factor of 10oh hey look heres your boosted pegasus epic mount
my husband who played during beta has sworn off this game until it's in a better state in favor of wow forever which he and like 5 of his P99/Quarm friends are going to playi'm probably done too, this game is mid in its current state even when compared to the MMOs its trying to emulate. don't understand why they launched EA now.
>>3122845yeah what I want is to play through retail EQ2 take a hatchet to like 80% of the systems and stats they keep adding with every expansion.keep all the content but crush the numbers/levels of mobs, break the expansions out into eras that are meant to be done 'together' instead of needing a hard baseline minimum level/minimum stats to enter.
>>3122849just don'teq2 is only worth playing when they release new tle servers and even then not really anymore because kikebreak games
this shit game not died yet?guess retards really will sub to anything
How frequent were the updates during the betas? It's been almost a month of jack shit.
>>3122871>don't understand why they launched EA now
>>3122991pretty fucking slowfallen watch and the deep were released at the very end of the beta and there was pretty much nothing else added since alpha endedthey focused entirely on class revamps
>>3122993It's not that much money though! 500k split 40 ways after what, 6 years of effort? I'm assuming they're not stupid enough to try short changing most of their volunteers of course, but who knows.
>>3123015They supposedly have a list of people who want/need to be paid, and seems they still have volunteers.
>>3123015one guy put in 150k of his own money, ten they have an attorney on retainer who is the only guy actually getting paid. volunteers are volunteering. meanwhile, Pantheon is on 5-6 million dollars and is in year 12 of development.At least Star Citizen has a whole lot to show for the billion dollars they raised/spent in development.
>>3123015Personally I don't think the brand damage you suffer from your product being seen before you can confidently say "this is release quality" is ever worth any amount of short term Benjamins. But however much it was, clearly they felt they needed to start bringing some revenue in, otherwise they would still have this game in an open beta state and not a release-no-matter-how-much-we-cope-to-the-contrary stateI played open beta and was heavily interested in the game, but the idea that this shit is market ready is fucking laughable.
>>3122871The majority of people quitting aren't quitting because of the current state of EA. They are quitting because of the lack of quality of life, the way GMs handle things, and the state of classes which in many cases aren't going to change.
>>3123057honestly yeah, shawn can brag about how much he is a kept man all he wants and how there are no money worries.it doesn't track with the EA release, and it especially doesn't track with 'well we had so many people wanting to get into beta that we had NO CHOICE but to start charging 15 dollar subs for our 1/20th complete MMO
>>3123065>state of classes which in many cases aren't going to changeI don't want to believe this. From what is claimed these are all just first early prototype passes for what they eventually want the classes to become compared to the placeholders that were there before. The idea of Spellblade or Archer being in their final state barring some tweaking is just unbelievable.
I would redesign archer to use wizard spells. Arcane arrow line uses mana instead of arrows, deals arcane damageTrade disengage for a backwards blinkGet rid of tinkering traps as we know them and just turn them into flat abilities without the need to craft them initially. Immobilization trap will have an arcane flareInt scales damage when arcane arrow is upStr scales damage when using normal arrows. Give an exodus spell at 51
>>3123078Many of the classes have already been "reworked", like im with you I hope im wrong but we will see.
How much of MnM's world/zones is ingame currently? Adrullan has 1/3rd of its world completed with the upcoming test and they consider themselves pre-alpha.
>>3123122This is coming from the MnM Atlas
>>3123122>adrullanwhy does their website and the game itself look like AI slop
>>3123074>well we had so many people wanting to get into beta that we had NO CHOICE but to start charging 15 dollar subs for our 1/20th complete MMOWas this unironically the dev's public facing statement on the matter? I haven't kept up with their gay discord for months and don't read the website eitherBecause lolLmao even
>>3123130Dunno but crazy how if it's ai slop it's still looking to be more fun than mnm lol
What is everyones opinion on this thing? Its got an amazing ratio but also feels like it would be to slow to be useful at anything.
anyone have any info on fletching? I just bought a regular ironbark longbow which i believe is a fletching recipe, there are no fletching recipes for sale so it's like you get the level and stuff unlocksis there an elderwood longbow equivalent? Elderwood recurve equivalent?enchanted variant?
>>3123122I love this. I'd pay to play pre-alpha if they kept the servers up with no wipes. i want someone to reverse engineer this in hytale's game engine.
>>3122983You won't see the massive sub drop off until Nov 1st
>>3123338Can't wait to read copium about it
>>3123348I think it was last thread that Shawn said he would be happy with 500 subs. The cope is already off the charts.
infravision is fucking useless.
let's play spot my fucking character on an average night in EW with infravision
>>3123445This is actually perfect design by the devs and nothing needs to be improved. If you don't like it then this game isn't for you
>>31234612 minutes later, it's as bright as day, and you can actually see. Also, EW rains like it's Vietnam and it needs to rain about 40% less, thanks
>>3123423>>3123445yeah its completely useless. enjoy 100% brightness brother.
EW has two cycles, fog, and rain. When it's not raining biblical levels of flood level rain 24/7, it's foggy
>>3123423>turn up gamma to 100%WE DID THAT IN EVERQUEST
>>3123503that doesn't do shit when it's dark and foggy
>>3122731>>3122842I know it's all vibes but at level 25 or something I got +30ish into from gear and I could swear my Iceblast was hitting for like +50% damage
>>3123593ice blast scales heavily from int, and volley less so.
>>3122871I didn't know gay men got married let alone play mnm
>>3123617Yeah things really went to shit after states stopped prosecuting for sodomy
Odds they fuck it up?
>>3123706>couldn't even patch the game the normal way without fucking it up>attempt to do live patching100%
>even shawn is raping people with minecraft addsi kneel aoass spammers
i would fix spellblade by having the infusions do add damage instead of proc damage. move flurry from an ability to a passive proc based 15/30% on hit overhastean ability to force the procGive ranger some fucking rare gear they need to go find/earn to make them legitlevel 30 arc/rng bow quest that gives some kind of 30/50 bow and costs like 5 gold in mats and differs based on your race.Goblins should get some bone based bowWood elves should get some Blessed Faydark Thunderbolt shitDwarves should get a boot in their ass because dwarf rangers are fucking weirdogres should get some tree trunk with a rubber band on it
InquisichadEnchancuck
>>3122836Hell yeah man I'd do that as well. Fun classes.
>>3123739>website updated yet again to show each class's level 1 kit along with info about the special event with the upcoming test>and an in-browser game minigameadrullaniggas stay winning
I hit the 1plat club
>>3124053bet you can get $50 for that on g2g, better cash out now imo
wdhmbt
when do wizards get a single target fire DD
>>3120053Are you retarded? Please don’t play this game.
>>3120053>Well akshully that’s minimal effort and your framing is so….LOL shut the fuck up, you nerd!
>>3120053That’s “no effort”, you stupid ding dong.
>>3120065Works fine for me. Maybe you’re just an asshole.
>>3124159>>3124160>post on CDweird post to get upset by
>>3124176reads like dude lost an earlier argument and woke up spiteful of that fact
>>3124186you can tell exactly when he checked the thread then BAM! not-samefagging lol
>>3124087fire volley at 34 fire nuke 48 i think
this nigga kriddle been playing the game 18 hours a day every day since launch. I think he might keel over
>>3124220>tags>dad>parentouch
Which would you use on a Shadow Knight? It feels like Siphon Strike, Reave, and Shadow Strike all three have damage caps. Im hitting for the same with all three of these weapons (it feels like). The Tree Feller is the best ratio but it feel im hitting for the same as the others but swinging twice as slow, it feels like a bait weapon thats useless. The Facesmasher is the second best ratio and the Claymore is the third best but these two are very close. It honestly feels like since abilities feel damage capped that the faster weapon is better
>>3124176There is no trouble grouping in Ba Sing Sei
>>3124337de all of them
>men are all squat and fat>women are all tall muscle mommiesthis sucks. i want to play as a hambeast. theyre probably about to do the same thing to trolls. >we have to autistically copy every detail of everquest no matter how shitty it is>except for women being comically ugly beastsfuck you and your game. hypocrites.
sorry bros finding a group started to become harder and harder and i wasnt able to solo anymoreback to daoc eden i go. GL to those who stick around, i really wanted to love this game
This game has a lot of charm and potential, but they need to fill in lvls 30-60 with more content, and make some more interesting gear than stats and haste.
>>3124532It's probably better not to play it to death when it's so unfinished anyway. Come back in 10 years when 1.0 releases.
>>3124337Blade of the Witchguard.
>>3124220he is insane. he is by far the best M&M streamer. -not jewey-clearly has testosterone-is extremely 'good' at the game-constantly teaching us information about the game-isn't a supplicator for the team, has his own takes on improving the game and expresses them-called shawn's streams boring which cracked me up because it's so true
>>3124243>>3122705go to bed Alex
>>3124520its for your own good
>>3124243>neglecting your family to play mmos 18 hours a day while your wife is forced to do all the child care and labor on her ownboomers are so based
>>3125201the streamer dick riding is getting a bit extreme guystreamers are a notch below rancid hobo dick cheese smegma sandwiches
I really want to play a fighterWhy shouldn't I play a fighter?Fighter seems like a much better tank than SK. Fighter seems like a good DPS class too. Only real problem with it is the lack of ease of solo exploration. You would need a druid/shaman to duo with.
>>3125526Yep you should go do that. It sounds like fun. Maybe befriend a token dps for a nice trio.
>>3125526Having no utility sucks ass in a game like this, but you do you if you think it sounds cool to play.
>>3125526Keeping current on gear and paying for ports/sow/etc will be difficult but you will be guaranteed spots in groups at endgame so it'll most likely even out
>>3125564What's demand like for the other roles @ end game?
>>3124520ogres are utterly fucking soulless and they are going to rape trolls too
>>3125571End-game is rolling a new character or quitting.
>>3125586it's so fucking over. this is a rare example of a time when an aaa developer would have been better because you know they love making women as repulsively ugly as possible
>>3125602removing the rotundness from ogres and the boxy blobness from trolls is an actual crime
>>3125623it could work if they went the Meg Mucklebones route for the females. grotesque, gangly, yet still having a beer belly from the voluminous eating trolls should be doing. sooo not this >>3125602
>>3125638these are literally perfection and now its all over
girls should be prettyboys should be pretty toowhy do you want ugliness to exist?
>>3125647i bet you dont want ogres and trolls to be actual retards as well
>>3125647thats what elves are for. their only saving grace.
>>3125602he's not even following the concept art where theyre way more voluptuous with pot bellies. i think the modeler is just sexist and doesnt care about how the game depicts women beyond a very narrow portrayal of generic femininity. having grotesque, obese monsters that actually match the males would be way cooler.
>>3125700forgot pic
>>3123122>thumbnail looks like wow
>>312408748 and it's too inefficient to use, you will pop the roman candles FOREVER
>>3125201If you want to know how something actualky works in endgame he's the best source by farHe called that solo necro would be first 60 too
>>3125769yeah he really makes jews seethe. I like him
>>3125762In what universe?
>>3125602> because you know they love making women as repulsively ugly as possibleWow was far more cowardly with their trolls
>>3125174Not a single one has been auctioned, my group camped it for a night too and no luckhttps://mnm-db.com/#/item/blade_of_the_witchguard
I haven't been keeping up with the in-game economy, but I want to put together a welcome package for my eventual deep gnome bard. How much should I be looking to spend for a full set of bronze chain and a steel one-hander?
>>3126005https://mnm-db.com/#/
>>3125651Elves are for stacking bodies
>>3125642
>>3126014damn this game is completely solved
>>3126014This is what niggas mean when they say "optimize the fun out of the game"
>>3125602Worb Brow
>>3126043their second saving grace then
>>3126014>"Auction prices are OCR-read from the community LiveMNM stream."Isn't that a blatant breach of ToS? Can that even apply to an external website?
>>3126054not having an auction house is not fun and people who list things for trade with out putting a price unless its super rare should be permabanned
>>3126090sending someone a tell and asking how much for x item is too much for the average autistic 4channer, I'm shocked.
>>3126090auction houses facilitate RMT as much as free accounts do
>>3126102you're just going to get "offer?" back
>>312611215 silver
>>3126112Has not happened to me once yet.
>>3126115no lowballs*calls a gm*
>>312611917 silver, but I don’t think it’s worth that much. I just want to get a new graphic on my character.
i notice every time i have an interaction with people in this game something bad happens. not that its a bad interaction, i mean that something bad immediately happens afterwards or as a result as if some kind of curse is upon me. I can spend hours comfortably soloing and all is well, then another player talks to me and suddenly im waiting out the night for the sun to come up just so i can do a corpse run.
>>3126115"No" This person has added you to their ignore list.
>>3125201there's no such thing as a good mnm streamer because it's boring enough to play much less watch someone else play
>>3126234Win-win
>the reddit post talking about the games community being toxic got removed by the mods for the crime of getting massively upvoted>all the reddit posts whining about people and telling them to go back to wow are still upcan't make this shit up.
>>3126427But you just did
if i get a mule to carry stuff for me will it follow me through ports?
>>3126431https://www.reddit.com/r/MonstersAndMemories/comments/1xhey3v/insane_community_toxicity/
>inb4 we get another day long meltdown like came from the guy who got btfo after saying someone else didn't play the game
>>3126048fugg i had two of these but one was an iksar i think and an elf
>>3126453>>3126462All according to my keikaku (I wanted a link and didn't want to browse plebbit)
>>3125526You need to think about them in terms of what they offer is a tank that the other tanks lack.>FighterHolds threat better, does better DPS.>PaladinMore efficient on the healer's mana because they can top themselves up between pulls, anti-undead.>InquisitorBetter utility, mez, which is straight money. They hold threat worse than Fighter, but since they can mez everything that's not a big deal because they only need to focus one mob at a time and keeping shit mezzed is better damage mitigation than facetanking a bunch of shit anway. Also, they're specialized for anti-caster, which are almost always going to be the most dangerous problems. Groups don't usually wipe because of mob damage, they usually wipe because a caster assrapes everyone with a fear or something.>Shadow KnightBetter solo, better utility, better puller. Being a better puller is money because botching the pull and getting attacked by a bunch of extra shit is also problematic.Ultimately I'd say Shadow Knight and Inquisitor are tied for best because they just have more solid offerings outside of just tanking, Paladin is good too but they're more contextual based on whether or not you're facing undead, and Fighters are probably at the bottom of the list just because not having utility to offer is rough. You're just the tank. You don't have any kind of real toolbox outside of that.
>>3126645sk can solo & sk can pull but other then that figher is all around better. Fighter has better mitigation, better damage, and better healing. The more you level a Shadow Knight the more and more the cracks start to appear and the class begins to fall apart. Shadow Knights are also the most gear dependent tank, if your not decked going into the high end 40s to low 50s you cannot tank meanwhile fighters will do just fine.https://forum.monstersandmemories.com/d/2137-shadow-knight-rework-feedback/51
>lantern fuel is cheaper than mage light cores for illumination per hour;_;
>>3126049also what happens when your game has been in "testing" for a year
>>3126690just another retarded design choice/class imbalance that will get you screamed at if you actually try to complain to the devs about it
>>3126645>More efficient on the healer's mana because they can top themselves up between pullsNot even, Paladins can easily heal during combat because their heal is quick enough to weave between enemy auto attacks. They also get a party wide heal with one of their smite attacks, which doesn't heal for much but helps with chip damage your puller takes or whatever and obviously also helps add healing to the paladin himselfWhen you look at the fighter kit by comparison, I think the most annoying thing is that some of his utility like gaining access to aoe taunt and attacks straight up isn't valuable because of how punishing it is to be forced to facetank multiple enemies, as you said. Whereas an SK can pull well enough that you probably aren't going to be fighting multiple enemies (if he has to pull at all), and as you say an Inquisitor has loads of cc to control more mobs, and even Paladin has stuff like Lay on Hands to help with the raw facetanking during difficult pulls like that, Fighter has aoe attacks that, if a puller and crowd controller are doing their jobs properly, they really shouldn't ever need to utilizeI wish Fighter got some kind of defensive bonus for fighting multiple mobs at once so it didn't feel like an act of active self sabotage trying to tank multiple active mobs at once instead of just cc'ing them. I guess you could say the vengeance mechanic is kind of that, but it's really not because it doesn't even the scales enough
>>3126690we did not pay rent to summon lights in EQ
>>3126014This is the sort of friction we love. Where's the ShowEQ equivalent at? Surely it exists by now.
flash test might be soon :OOOOOOOO
>>3126828Adrullan bros, we are going home
>GM petition claims it can fit 5,000 characters>fill it with NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER until it tops out>it's actually capped at 1,000 charactersOnce again these devs have lied to me.
ADRULLANFAGSSERVERS ARE OPEN
>>3127337early? the site still says nov 1st
>>3127346flash test
>>3127337NO FAIR IM AT WORKREEEEE
>>3127337>requires a 2070>to play minecraftbros :-(
>>3127485im on an rx470 lol just give it a shot
>>3127520and turn off CLOUDS more than anything
kinda good lighting tho
WHICH ONE BROS
>>3127532>made in unityits over before it even began
>>3127594They're all the same. It's a clean slate. I chose Grixius.
>>3127625damn contarian>elves can't be rangers what the FUCK adrullan
hey niggers go make your own thread
No.
What is Trent's problem? Every other GM I've interacted with has been perfectly pleasant and helpful, and then there's him.
Migrate Adrullanbros. Or bee urself idc>>3127688
>>3127563so is this game even coming out soon it seems that this is just a test and it will end. whats the point in getting excited for something that wont release for unknown ammount of time?
>>3127697All I'll say is it looks more put together than mnm so far so I for one am gonna try it and if possible I'd love to play with bros as wellI'm sure it'll have its downsides as well but the most I have to lose is my time
>>3127697>young'un learns what an alpha/beta test isBrotip: MnM is doing the same thing but making people pay to test.
>>3127768They ban the people who find bugs though
>>3126690yeah but mage light cores are considerably brighter
>>3127768not quite the same. current day is flash test, servers go back down after like 12 hours.saturday is a play test for 1 week. servers close after that.MNM keeps the servers up, makes you pay for it, and won't even wipe when they "officially" launch (if they ever do). retarded decision, they really have launched officially and think they can pass off this trash as a commercial work.
>>3128060>won't even wipe when they "officially" launchYeah this is the killer. Monthly sub for an "early launch" mmo is fucking suss but the fact that they won't be wiping at any point makes this for all intents and purposes their launch>B-but new serversDon't care, all sorts of circumstances result in devs throwing up new servers.
>>3128060how many times are you going to say this in the thread? nobody who is currently playing gives a shit.
wait hold up everybody stop what you're doing stop wait, you're not allowed to play this game because it's not in a polished release state.i said stopstop having funguys guys im serious stoppit
>>3128375Maybe if you weren't wanting $15 a month it wouldn't be such an ask to keep funding your pre alpha, Shawn
>>3128384stop paying shawn $15 a month guysguysim seriousstoppit
I'm not paying $15 to fund shawn's pre-alpha, I'm paying Shawn $15 a month to keep all the brown people out. you think we are the same, but no. I'm on the paying side of the wall so step aside.
>>3128477You like brown people thoProbably can get enough of brown cusine either Your kids are probably brown, tooWhy do you larp like this?
>>3127015>homeno you arent. you guys will continue to shitpost here as the prophets have ordained.
>>3128537i like the brown people who can pay the sub. The brown people who can't pay the sub are playing turdie wow or pochie 2 on the other, poor side of the fence.
the GM's are now doing massive ban waves and takedowns of any posts critical of the game on their sub lol
>>3128821good, this isn't blog post wednesday and i don't give a fuck about your personal opinion on the state of the game. I'm sure as fuck not reading your 8 paragraph essay on what they could do better based on your 3 weeks of play time.
>>3128841>your 3 weeks of playtime>he doesn't know that most of the people doing the feedback/quitting posts were playing since beta
>>3128841lol
>>3128841better that than the 30 paragraphs of>I'm having fun>please believe me>stop saying it's bad>I'm having fun!!!!
1-12 is the most fun part of the game
>>3128846Hi my name is Reddit Tom. I have this inability to just fuck off and not tell everyone I'm doing it. Please read my 8 paragraph yelp review
>>3128875i don't give a fucki don't give a fucki don't give a fucki don't give a fuck
>>3128968The subreddit got like 2 of those over the last 3 days, and it spawned dozens of people reeing over quitting posts. It's amazing you spergs broke containment to post about them here too.
Go back to readit and stay there if you love posting there so much. Nobody here gives a shit about your pathetic cry for attention getting deleted by a 400 pound tranny. The only thing we care about is sucking shawn's cock, riding shawn's cock and eating shawn's ass. If you don't like the taste of shawn's salty cum fulling up your mouth until you gag on it this isn't the game for you. It's our game and our cum and that's how we like it. Fuck off.
>>3128994i went there once like 2 weeks ago and thats all it was, fucking blog posts about people canceling their subs
dunno how good a look it is for your game when the only people caring enough to post about it are talking about how they're quitting desu shawn
theres no way there isn't a dev or a volunteer having a melty in here
>>3129129it's reddit, so all you get is the yelp reviewers putting in their 2 cents before letting the door hit them on their ass on the way out. you'd know this if you weren't oblivious and one of them.
>>3128875i give a fuck. the other posts are all sub 20s telling everyone who great the game is.
who gives a fuck about reddit or your bullshit reddit drama. i don't give a fuckwhat i care about is clicky items. we need more of them. clicky sense magic staffclicky see invisible mask/neckclicky underwater breathing earringneed to level alchemy to make invis/ivu pots. niggermancers dont know how good they got it.
>>3129213click this dick nigga
>>3129217no u
>>3129213>no clicky lightbulbsthis is why reddit owns you
>>3129233you can just buy a lantern at the vendor niggaits 1g niggajust buy one.
>main dev crosslinks an AoA test advert on the MnM sub>some loser has an autistic fitlol
>>3129245k thanks for the update
>>3129161>you'd know what reddit was like if you weren't a dumb redditorthese copes are getting pretty esoteric ngl
>>3129295>guy with the reading comprehension of a grade 2 retard
>>3129161>you'd know this if you weren't . . . one of them.???is this the part where you just go into a multihour long melty?
>>3129241>giving my bag slot up>paying the cuck tax for fuel foreverGo fuck yourself?
>>3129245they sure do like pointing people towards other games to play
>>3129582The people in charge of Adrullan are big fans of MnM and vice versa I'll pay a sub for both.
>>3129567No, this is when you go make another blog post on one of your reddit burner accounts so you can pretend like somebody gives a shit.
>>3129684i'll bet you fucking will cunt
>there are people in this thread playing MnM with me that were secretly waiting for a worse minecraft version of the game to come outYou guys are fucking serious u're playing that minecraft mmo even though it has 0 lore depth?
>>3129730broseph there were like 5 people in the guild who you kiddin
The guy selling all this, is the guy camping all the named mobs, right?
>>3129730Their general has whole 15 posts, it was always just few shitposters shilling it
>playing a grinding game that only lets you grind for a brief preview alpha flash whatever the fuck it is window and then you will have to fuck off for who knows how long until the unannounced release date some day, maybewhy?
>>3129819To see how it plays, its current state and if i want to invest more time in grinding there when it will be permanently available?
>>3129730Jokes on you, I wasn't going to pay $15 even for one month to alpha test this shit, I was just here to watch people bitch about how bad it was. The irony is that I'm also one of the people that's willing to giving benefit of the doubt that many things are not yet polished.
Please come back dudu. You can reroll a necro...
Just a few days left before first month ends.What are we expecting numbers to get to?My friends list has 1 person who's continued logging in since the 8th out of 20
>>3130108I'm estimating 60% lossMight be less because people are really lazy at cancelling subs
>>3130108>My friends list has 1 person who's continued logging in since the 8th out of 20lol birds of a feather I guess. ppl on mine are online often, week after week
>>3129730>>3129813>>3129819Why do you keep making so many fucking angry posts about the game?
>>3130133I think it'll drop to like 27k, then slow trickle to like 13k and kinda hover around there. it's a good game but also a ridiculous game in many ways. new people who don't know how everything in the entire game works already and who don't have a big friend group that plays will probably fall off.
>>3130159Europe server has already dipped to around 650 concurrent players at peak weekday hours, from around 800-900 two weeks ago.
>>3130175ok well that's from initial launch. also, people unsub just to not have it autorenew. I have done this and will probably sub again but want it to be my choice when the time comes.
I wish the jannies would just ban the troll who posts on all of these generals and doesn't play any of the games for being an unoriginal faggot. It's the same queef who shits up the /xig/ threads and some of the other ones. You know who you are, go suck start a shotgun.
>>3130383if you banned everyone who is no longer subbed to mnm, it'd be just you and like one other guy here lil bro
>>3130441>80% of the posts itt are from the same schizo who makes 80% of the shit posts in /xig/
>>3130108>>3130133its going to be like 55% but the reality is as anon said, they just stopped cancelling subs. only two guys in my friend list log in anymore. the actual player count in the evening has only gone down despite subs being up ever since 24k~.
>>3130159they already said they lost 30% or more a week ago.>>3130383barely anyone in xig plays the game its just a bunch of schizos arguing with other schizos over drama from years ago. literally cannot go 10 posts without someone namedropping someone or mentioning a clique or talking about some supposedly fat female.
Worst case scenario the community will just have to consolidate onto trem. The servers with half it's population have still felt busy all month so it should be fine even if it drops half.
I mean I watched Shawn's last stream and we're getting 16000 unique daily logins average so I'm not super worried.
>>3130839Hello Shawn
>>3126128>then another player talks to me and suddenly im waiting out the night for the sun to come up just so i can do a corpse run.Power Word Death?This game needs basic capstone spells/abilities>yes I know they have endgame research spells/abilities
>>3130568That's what happens here it's just Shawn instead of Aerec
Anyone here got a lantern? I'm not sure if its worth it to buy one for 1G, but I can't see at night and it's annoying tf out of me.
Are you deliberately making the game a better place for the other people playing?
>>3131069Its basically the same as using a standard torch. Not the shitty handmade torches but an actual torch torch. You use about a lantern and a half of fuel during a full night. Each lantern fuel you buy for like 2.5s has about 5 charges or so, I haven't exactly counted it. I've found it very convenient because as a cleric I've wanted to have my shield equipped for stats, and AC and on a beastmaster it means I can use a two hander while still having light which is a pretty big thing.Overall it's more expensive than torches for sure but its been useful. The only annoying thing is it taking up a belt slot but I usually only put it on at night and if I'm super full up on inventory slots I just switch it out and fill up my last bag and then leave.I've been farming gold pretty hard though so the gold purchase wasn't bank breaking or anything.
>>3131098Does the lantern refuel itself, or do I have to actually use the fuel every time? I'm trying to avoid the three or four clicks I currently do to craft a new torch and trash the old one.
>>3131098Also to add on to anon's point it is a belt item so you can have full use of your hands with light.Once trade gets more flushed out and you can burn fish/whale oil there will be a market for it that is not just a coin drain.
>>3130477>80% of the posts itt are from the same schizo Literally yes, you can tell because the thread will be dead for hours and then receive like 10 minutes of straight rage coping with the exact same tone and mannerisms>who makes 80% of the shit posts in /xig/I won't pretend to know that but its not impossible
>>3131069the fuel lasts several full refills. It's just not as bright as i would like
>>3131293spectral essence works, paid 4 copper for it
>>3131069EVERYONE should have a lantern once you get access to them for 1g, some of the later dungeons are fucking PITCH BLACK. I was in the eh lantern party until I started doing these fucking pitch black dungeons then it pretty much became a requirement, we simi wipe, people complained they couldnt see shit, someone said they can get lanterns for 1g, and half the party said yes do it.
>>3131581your shitty containment thread died already?
>>3131651have someone carry a mage light, like a wizard, or bring an archer, they can light up an area. tag a mob with illuminating shot, the one you're fighting.
hay guise the meta says bring 4 rogues a slower and a tank, wait who has a light
>mobs can see me in the dark>i cant see themSHAWN MAKE IT MAKE SENSE
>>3131704mobs all have ultra megavisioni have night blindness
>>3131661Gotta pass the time until Sunday lil bwo
>>3131265something I found amusing is that expired torches still work for the Place Torch ability
>>3131797THEY ARE HUMANS THOUGH
>went to sunken ruins last night with my lads >we are the only people in the zone>initially sketched out, despite entry mobs being blue>get our bearings, get used to swimming everywhere>our cleric is a DE with like 90 swimming and he's blasting around with no issue>we make our way through the ruins, into the well, down into the depths>huge maze, dim ambient light, elementals that gate and telekinetic push>wisps that DD and fuck around>we successfully triple camp 3 nameds for hours and molest everything in the zone>have a great time>a blast even>3 hours later still the only people in the zoneIt's almost like when you stop being a pussy and go out and explore the game instead of crying about lag in iraq and 30s camping tomb, the game is incredible
wood elf only guild <The Casino Tribe>
>>3130568the sub count has only gone up
>>3131901the sub count goes up. the total player count has only gone down.
>>3131901Yes, because everyone who subbed before Oct. 1st is still an "active" sub, even if they canceled auto-renew.
>>3131878I think it is pretty cool to have a game this new and truly explore. No maps, no wiki's showing how to get to places. You can do some shit like finding ways to scale mountains to get to zones without having to go around. Hell as a caster I just mem all the sneaky spells and drop off all my gear at the bank and go naked exploring. If I die I just lose half a bubble but can find new places without any fear and try out new routes.There are no guardrails, stop acting like bitches and try some freedom.
>>3131901>Man pretends to not understand to facilitate his world viewTotal subs is just a headcount of who has paid for a month of access. It is not an accurate number for actual active players, and especially so within the context of looking at player count within a particular month, because people who play for two weeks, realize the game sucks, then cancel their sub and uninstall (me) will be counting as an active sub until the month of service expires. The number you want would be daily average unique players, which has gone markedly down by all measures.I don't even know why this is difficult for you. Shawn has straight up said he would be happy with 500 subs. Anything over that is just a bonus, right? Right??
>>3131878Oh yeah the actual exploration is fun. It's just a shame none of the rest of the game is.
>>3132053>it's not theme park enough for me>logs into FFXI and does my weekly raid>logs into WoW and does my weekly raidY DIS GAME SO HARD
>>3132084seems a mind broken redditor has gotten lost.
>>3132093>someone disagree with meDUH MIND BROKEN REDDITOR
>>3132097when you jump to calling everyone else wow fans or ffxi of all things , yes, you are mind broken and no different than all the idiots on reddit.
>>3132100you knew what you were signing up for.
>>3132103a game worse than ones from 20+ years ago? no i didn't quite expect that.
>>3132108well you sure did find out didn't you?and yet HERE YOU STILL ARE BITCHING ABOUT IT TO A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T FUCKING CARE.feel better?
>>3132113i'm still playing and i suspect some people do care no matter how much you sperg out. get over yourself sweetie.
>>3132120he does this every single time any body makes one single post he doesn't like
>>3132113I care.>feel better?Do you? You're screeching in all caps because someone had the audacity to say something slightly negative about your game. Very unhinged behavior, to be perfectly honest.
>>3132113>bunch of peopleWoah now lazy eyed sexpat, let's not get ahead of ourselves here. I'll believe there are at least players plural here, but bunches? I'm thinking maybe you and two other guys.And hey more power to you if you enjoy it but I think you are really doing the game a disservice when you sperg out over legitimate criticism and refer to everyone who tried it and don't have ringing endorsements as [insert bad out group here].
>>3130070> I wasn't going to pay 1500 pesos even for one month to alpha test this shit,
>>3101286I thought this game would suck but it definitely does not. The last time I’ve played a game like this was a good 20 years ago. Hope it sticks around for a while.
>>3130153He’s a miserable dipshit. These people are getting tiresome and you find them around literally any game saying the same shit. The kind of douchebag that makes a “Game has X players left. Game dead lol!” posts on Steam every other day. Sick of these retards.
>>3132178Embarrassing.
>>3132120>>3132123>>3132127>>3132153whoa melty
>thursday evening glass flats>just got onto my hell levelUltimate comfy brosVespyra chads log in ginvites are waiting
>>3131083yes
>>3132318i thought you were quitting
I want a cute human or elf wife for my ogre tbeastmaster o use as a cocksleeve.
>>3132492they don't like fatties.
>>3132501That's not true they love fat fucking cock and the heavy press of a body against them that drives the wind from their stomach.
>>3132492goblin coke fiend slagwife
anyone else on the pvp server
>>3132492>>3132539Hi Trent
>>3131661didn't know a thread was made I've been offline for a whileadudu owowo awewen
i know about sandwich classes but what class do i roll if i want to eat a big bowl of fried rice
>>3132789elementalist
How badly do you think subs will drop November 1st?They're at 36k right now. They've supposeedly admitted AT LEAST 30% already left. I bet that's their optimism number though.I suspect at least 50% and by Dec 1 80% gone.Almost everyone in-game, on stream, or who I followed by name on any website, forum, or comment section, have said they're not going to play after the first month. It has nothing to do with WoW Forever as well. People seem to universally get bored of the game after either 1-2 weeks or once they hit lvl 20-24.
>>3133123>THIS GAME IS DEAD>SHAWN IS COOKEDUmm...this is weird. I see like 90% of people literally talking about quiting the game, playing a week and getting bored, how it falls off a cliff after level 20, massive systemic design problems with endless people agreeing it's intolerable.Yet it's Thursday at 9pm to Midnight in the USA and here we are still pumping those numbers.Genuinely surprised because even in-game I see people quiting every game and my friends list is like 95% no longer logging on. Yet these numbers just rise and rise 100's of subs per day.>Almost everyone in-game, on stream, or who I followed by name on any website, forum, or comment section, have said they're not going to play after the first month. It has nothing to do with WoW Forever as well. People seem to universally get bored of the game after either 1-2 weeks or once they hit lvl 20-24.Yea well then why did it just raise 150 subs today alone?
>>3133134>why did it just raise 150 subs today alone?because if people are subbing then they haven't played their first month yet to quit you inbred, why are you so stupid?
>>3133134>4.5 total>2 weeks ago trem alone was at 3kgrim
>>3133134>subscribe and then immediately cancel since I only intend to play for a single month>play for a couple weeks but it's not for me despite being a fan of EQ>quit with a few days left on my sub>still considered an active subscription even after cancelling because I could technically boot the game up and continue playing if I wantedCheck again in a week for a more accurate picture.
>>31331984500 active players on a fucking Thursday at midnight. Yea no we fine bro lolol
>>3133123launching it at a full retail sub when it's this unfinished and lacking content was certainly a decision. i wonder if things would be different if it was half the price.most people are going to quit. then they'll attract them back with their module content and new races. but then theyre going to be playing in the new zones which are even more unfinished than the ones before and it'll just be the same problem but even worse. i think they dont even care about the game as a viable product.
This game isnt for me bc im not a single man on disability getting the NEET life.But I was still gonna keep my sub up judt to support classic & indie MMO's that arent WoWshit clones like all the garbage post-2007 bullshit where WoW ruined MMO's forever.But then Shawn had to mouth off about high level camps and the company banned a bunch of archers for not reading Shawn's mind about "how to play right".So nah fuck you guys. No unethical company gets my money unless I get something in return now. You had your chance but you done fucked up.Plus your community is toxic af cultists telling all the Everquest boomers to "go back to WoW" and you dont do shit but jerk off and give them terms like "friction" to help them do it. Nah fuck yall
>>3133261>then they'll attract them back with their module content and new races. You're under the delusion that people will want to come back for any reason. Most are quiting bc the game is boring as shit and wastes their time. Adults with no life have 3 hrs a day to play and this game is too much even for them. You gotta be a true nolifer in disability to really enjoy this game.
>>3133267I'm actually enjoying it a lot but it's more because I love socializing in virtual chats and exploring retro virtual worlds. I don't have any desire to level past 20 either but I'm still planning to stay subbed.
>>3133149>jew>calling someone inbredoof
>>3133273>because I love socializing in virtual chatsI played 3 weeks and every single group I played in, which was almost always a full 6 group, there would be 4 sentences said the entire time and I'd be 3 of them.The players of M&M have to be the most anti-social or at least anti-chat players of any MMO I've ever played.All this slow pace and downtime, and instead of chatting players must be multi-tasking in other tabs or watching movies or on their phone instead of playing.The worst are the high levels camping low level spawns. They are afk 20 of every 25 minutes busy never playing the game.
>>3133360Welcome to Everquest :)
the one guy ITT pretending to be several people who doesn't just get that this isn't a rat race kind of game, and the people who think it is are quitting in droves. glad u got to find out.
>>313312350% sounds about right to meIt's not even just people who don't like the game who'll be quitting; even among people who like it you've got:1) people who played it a lot in that one month and simply had their fill of it2) People who jumped in on a whim and then realized they're too busy to commit much time to it3) People who like the general design and concepts but feel it needs more time in the oven and plan to check back in a year
>>3133360There are lots of mutes but in most groups I usually meet at least 1-2 other chatty people and I always friend them afterwards so we can hang out and talk later. You just have to put the effort into befriending like minded people.
>>3133360people are too busy loot niggering to chat
is stonecutting implemented beyond making dressing stones?
>>3132434Me, Smoke? Quit? No Saar. I love this shit. Finna watch a bunch of michael myers movies tonight and resume glass flats total muggrah death
>>3133261mmos are never finished. calling it EA was dumb though, this is just release
I don't understand why people are so negative? I mean I don't doubt that subs will drop a lot but those people weren't going to play the game long term anyways. I feel like this is the most fun I've had in an MMO in such a long time. I genuinely love it and I feel like there's so much content I haven't even touched. The game is definitely unfinished but I don't feel robbed or cheated because they've been completely upfront the entire dev process. If you knew about the game at all you knew exactly what you were subbing to play. It's not like a lot of early access games where it's just impossible promises and coping, they've just said that this is how much content they have, this is what they're working on next, etc.It feels like a lot of people here really want something completely different from the game and I really don't understand it.Imo it doesn't matter if you lose players that don't actually want to play the game anyways. Nothing of value was lost.
>>3133261>i think they dont even care about the game as a viable product.Correct. It's a fan project for people that crave this kind of mmo. It's the only game doing it so I'm grateful it exists and the biggest betrayal I could ever imagine is them making design decisions around broadening the market and attracting players by changing the games design to suit their preferences over the core players of the game.It doesn't need to be a commercial hit. It just needs to keep the servers running and generate enough revenue to keep people employed and working on it.
>>3133803Should have made patreon or something then. For 15$ a month i expect a fully fledged commercial product. Their notifications and eulas doesn't mean shit, the moment you start taking money, especially subscription money, is the moment you will be judged on a price you ask.
>>3133794>he's still under level 24Cute.
>>3133803>Everquest players want some basic QoL features, for the game to respect their time, and for the game to NOT change too much>REEEEEEE YOU WOW CAREBARS JUST WANT MY CAME TO COMPLETY CHANGE TO BECOME EZ MODE!!!!11Why do yoy spergs keep doing this strawman bullshit?
i think they should merge the servers but make every zone and dungeon have like 3 channels. Make it so you can only change channels at the zone line
Adrullan devs don't even accept donations.#winning
>>3133360lol i had an enchanter talking about his favorite porn in one group, mostly to himself and i know that dude was cranking it the entire party.
>>3133794>I don't understand why people are so negative?I played more than enough and found the game does not get better and only continues in being tedious for no real feeling of reward.>It feels like a lot of people here really want something completely different from the game and I really don't understand it.You can dupe people into doing busy work for free but when you charge them 15 dollars an hour it becomes a much more apparent flaw. So much of the game design just leaves me shaking my head wondering what they were smoking. Why do reagents exist for low level spells, why are they so expensive? Do druids really need to be taxed to cast group armor?>you lose players that don't actually want to play the game anyways.Plenty of people have told you they like aspects of the game and they hate other parts of it. I would be interested in playing more but unfortunately the whole package is kind of tainted by my experience with the game and the community.t. wow tard who wants toggleable chat bubbles
after making a level 9 archer, then a level 10 necromancer, then a level 10 wizard, then a level 12 necromancer, then a level 16 rogue, i have finally made a level 19 wizard and encountered my first hell level!hopefully i dont delete it like all the others
I have never once been playing the game and thought it wasn't respecting my time or whatever. Where does this concept even come from? You're not owed a particular experience. Either play the game or don't. You're not being forced to grind season passes or something, you're not being held hostage. Do you think just because you paid money you're owed all the content within a time frame that fits whatever time budget you have to spend? It's tedium and time investment to do like everything in the game. Crafting for example is a fucking bitch but if it was easy so everyone just had professions maxed then everyone would do it in a day and nothing crafted would have any value. Instead I know the three or for people that were selling enchanted steel and +7 jewelry and stuff and get access to the best crafting and stuff because they decided to suffer to be at the forefront of selling the shit. Having stuff like that is way fucking cooler than having everyone have access to crafting easily.Basically the only thing I can think of that really sucks is how worthless horses are compared to sow but even then I would t want sow to get nerfed because I don't think people should be enticed to be self sufficient. t. Cleric and Beastmaster with no sow access
>>3134374indistinguishable from something posted from reddit
>>3134389i thought it was a comment copypaste myself lol
>>3133794>I don't understand why people are so negative?>"I think these parts of the game are bad.">"I think you have bad taste and should go back to WoW.">"I now wish for your game to fail so that I am proven correct."Bam! Resentment fostered.
>>3134374eventually those crafters will have nobody to sell to and they will quit. new crafters will be made by poopsocking autists who then share the login for their community bicycle omnicrafter. all the reward for your hardwork is entirely dependent on the existence of a stream of new players which are being turned away dumb fuck.
>>3134394I've never once mentioned wow or anything like that. I don't care what other games people play.
>>3134424You can't have it both ways. You have to turn people away to have a specific design. The only way you can avoid turning people away is to make flavorless slop.
>>3134501you actually can in fact have it both ways. they already compromised on shit like the lighting with the brightness slider nullifying it for 90% of the game world. they already compromised with autofill recipes for crafting instead of TRUE AND HONEST 1 by 1 dragging.the problem isn't that the devs won't compromise, its that they are retarded about where they are willing to do it.there is no reason to hide buff information behind consider, there is no reason to not have pop out chat, you can make both of these things toggleable and have zero real impact on gameplay for anyone but because shawn thinks its icky we have to spam consider to find out what spells have landed and spend half our group developing lazy eye as we stare down into the bottom left seeing if anybody has anything interesting to say.
>>3134508for the record i fully believe that all of this will be solved through out of game solutions and the only reason we cant have things like this is that shawn would inevitably have to come face to face with indisputable holy data that his design methodology is shit and that the vast majority of people would toggle chat bubbles on.
>>3133794It's literally one nigger samefagging. The game is great and obviously not for everyone
>>3134394"I want instanced dungeons, no corpse runs, chat bubbles, no nighttime effects, quest markers above NPCs, exp-giving quests, and nodrop items so high levels can't just farm shit""It sounds like you want to play wow""HURRRRRRRRRR I FUCK YOU AND THIS CULTIST GAME CULTIST"
>>3134619>no corpse runs, chat bubblesi want those things and not the other thingsnodrop should not exist all nodrop should be removed
>>3134619>exp-giving questsreal eq gamers love turning in muffins and wine
>>3134326>t. wow tard who wants toggleable chat bubblesFrom the last stream the new UI hire was talked about. The guy was just a modder and the devs just messaged him if he wanted to join in the making. He is testing out a chat bubble that has limits of sight and spam.So it might not me so far off.
>>3134619>EQ Veteran: hey can you have these basic QoL features to make the game superior WITHOUT any negative effects on the design?>Wow lol wtf you wow carebears want us to remove the best parts of the game? trololololWhy do the cultists have to strawman like this?Btw the corpse runs are in fact stupid and better alternatives were already invented to fix this problem WITHOUT any negative effects.
>>3134687
>>3134652who would have thought the dark elves would love Scrugs the boozebringer so much?I loved having an agnostic gnome and how the elves of neriak liked me better than the elves of faydark.
>>3134726giving an alcoholic more to drink is an extremely hateful act and makes their god very happy
>>3134619What I want as an EQ veteran is this:Corpse Runs to be less brutal. Let me have my worn equipment and spells, but drop everything else.A searchable function for trade, Similar to a Market Board or Auction House but not exactly.A party loot window. Think FF11.Chat bubbles and Floating Combat Text.Everything else is fine.
>>3134736>A searchable function for trade, Similar to a Market Board or Auction House but not exactly.they really just need to make a designated market zone or two where players raffle out stalls every week or two. this is the one limitation where i can kind of get it. introducing a centralized auctionhouse invites certain kinds of metagaming that is potentially very bad. that said i fully understand the desire for it and think they could do it decently by improving ffxis design.ffxi really was in many ways a proper improvement and spiritual successor to everquest.
>>3134611It's one nigger samefagging a reply to every single post in every MnM thread that isn't complete total positivity, you got that right.
>REEEE NO HAVUNG FUNDIS A GAME A NOT FINISHEDYOU STOP HAVING FUN NOW. MOM TIMMY SOENDING $15 A MONTH ON UNFINISH GAME I SO MAD I SHIT AND POOPOO MY PANTS
>>3135240You don't fit in. Lurk for at least four more years before posting.
>someone who doesn't have SoW is standing on the SoW boxban this person immediately
>>3135240Embarrassing desu senpai. Meet me at the west bank for an ass beating.
>>3134736>Corpse Runs to be less brutal. Let me have my worn equipment and spells, but drop everything else.I like how brutal corpse runs are. Makes it so you actually need to be paranoid and also prepare in advance by getting binds, etc. If there was one change I'd make, it's that certain basic functionalities should have an npc equivalent. It's fucking annoying to be completely reliant on flagging down a full spellcaster to get a bind before you can comfortable start exploring. Considering binds are a diagetic part of the game world, you'd think it'd be a legitimate service NPC casters would offer. Inns would probably hire a guy just for that.In general, I think anything that's completely necessary to function should have a non-player equivalent. Players should just be unique in that they can bind you to more/better spots.>A searchable function for trade, Similar to a Market Board or Auction House but not exactly.There has to be a middle ground between gayrod auction houses and spamming /auction.>A party loot window. Think FF11.I don't think that's necessary, honestly you just have to keep an eye on it. Yeah, people can ninja loot or be hoarder goblins, but that's fine. You actually do just need to keep an eye on it. No doubt you're an afk player who just squats by the campfire barely paying attention, not looting actively at all, and yet you're getting angry nobody is saving loot for you despite the fact that you don't move and won't touch corpses.Shit pisses me off. Casters especially seriously just expect to sit still and be ferried loot. If I'm in a team of 5, I try to loot about a fifth of the shit, UNLESS it's clear you're not interested in looting bodies. And if you're not, yeah, I'm fucking taking it, because otherwise you retards leave it to rot. If you want loot, quit being so fucking lazy and get off your fat ass. Nothing about being a ranged character says you can't walk three steps and check the damn bodies.
>>3135340My issue is with the looting of corpses in general. When you have a group going it is all about EXP per minute, so you get constant pulls. Pullers just keep grabbing enemies to kill and its exhausting. No one wants to take a break to work with loot.
>>3135340>afk players>be forced to sit>get yelled at if i am not meditatinggod forbid you are the puller and not a caster. fucking retard.
>>3135240This is definitely a productive way to deal with unsatisfied customers that will have no comeuppance or lasting impact whatsoeverGood job trent
>>3135340what if im an archer
ADRULLAN SERVERS UP
>>3135400Another flash test?
>>3135526yep
>>3135400I tried it and it really highlighted how dogshit the ui design in mnm is.
>>3134647>>3134687>>3134736So, confirmed that you want to fundamentally change the game to be something more casual-friendly. Like wow.I accept all three of your concessions, and your EBT cards, you fucking disingenuous niggers.
>>3135272>>3135292>>3135386wow the schizo responded 3 times, i guess i really hit the nail on the head.Not gonna let this one go, are ya bobbo?
>>3135879literally nothing he asked for makes it "more casual" other than removing corpse runs. you can still have the corpse run, you can even make it more punishing in exchange for letting people keep their gear. there are other games that have living threatening worlds without you dropping everything.
>>3135400posting off topic is against the rules
>>3135879>>3135901Everybody you don't like (has any complaint about MnM) is a schizo LOL typical newfag bitch.
Sorry M&M bros I tried, I really did, but I'm a voxel chad now.In all honesty, so far Adrullan feels like "BUT IT WAS LIKE THAT IN EVERQUEST" as their main design philosophy isn't adhered nearly as much, pretty fun so far.
>>3135935how many people are you pretending to be this time, schizo?
>>3135962its uglier but the environments are so much prettier than that fucking desert
>>3135983You are new to 4chan and everybody you do not like has schizophrenia LOL
>>3136038but i like all of your multiple personalities.
>>3136071Do you honestly believe that schizophrenia = multiple personalities? What an ignorant literally retarded newfag nigger.
>>3136038you're an attention seeking faggot who doesn't even play this game.
>weeks since launch>no new content updates for the EA in development gamei can't imagine the type of people who stay subbed to this
>it's been out a whole month>How are you guys not bored of it yet
>>3136374Probably the most severe problem right now with the game, they should have let it cook for another year.
>>3136374Isn't still being developed as a hobby while they work other full time jobs?
this game has basically a private server volunteer teambut they own all of their IPand do all of their own hostingno worries about blizzard taking them to courtnot accountable to some investment firmif it's successful it's successful, if not it'll be developed until it is. Unlike Pantheon, it's not 13 years in and 6 million dollars sunk in development costs. so it's like take it or leave it bro.
is it worth saving ashira rep for pack ring?
>>3136627it's a good ring, but it's not out yet.
>>3136659>how do we make our game more appealing to zoomers?>hey i know lets pay ninja a million dollars to play it and stream it>and minecraft
>>3136688>newfag who responds to every single post in the general he doesn't like has to make up some fabricationNo surprise to anybody.
>>3136697>everyone i respond to is the same guyit just has to be
>>3136726Yep it's a common form of newfag rhetoric to believe that every single person who may disagree with you on the entirety of 4chan.org is the same person.
I'm going to name my deep gnome rogue Squeegi Luigi and none of you can stop me
All the classes are going to get further reworks, new spells, modified spells, and substantial reworks over the next year right? Right? Surely they're not going to leave them all in this shitty state?
>>3136803built to be an ogre's cockwarmer
afk leveling my wizard at 39 by killing hundreds of greens which drop an average of 2 silver each. they die in 3 hitsi can kill 4-5 of them before resting. zero risk.
moment of truth on sunday
the only person ITT who gives a shred of a fuck how many people refuse to renew their sub doesn't even play this gamesad
>>3137171our game is VERY hardcore
>>3137443the last guy who went around trying to say others don't play the game ended up getting btfoed so hard by a screencap of the ingame /time command that he spent an entire day melting down in the thread
>>3137505you don't play this game, you just sit here and bitch. post some screenshots you larping queef
>>3137519>larping queefahahaha it's the same guy. still mad that anon demolished you?
>>3137559i wasn't even part of that conversation, but go ahead and post it anyway so i can laugh at you.
>>3137615>i wasn't even part of that conversationWhat a magical coincidence that you share with that anon the characteristic of being the only people in the thread to call people "queefs" like some moldy gen-xer.
>>3137643It's kinda crazy people will legit try to pull the "not that anon" card in a thread with maybe a dozen people in it tops
>>3137653yeah, this boomer in particular has been sperging since he got dropkicked with the /time screencap days ago, he's extremely obviously the same guy who melts down when people critique the game or talk about problems as well.
>>3137679Gookmoot not giving all boards thread IDs like /pol/ has was a mistake
this guy sure does love having conversations with himself
>>3137790I'm a racist not a schizophrenic
>Friday night>Last post was 40 minutes agoTaking all bets! 60% unsub rate or even the fabled 70%? Mayhaps, if we are daring.... 80%!?
>>3137979They would stop providing metrics before we could tell if the numbers were that severe
>>3137979we lvl'in in Bight
>>3138069what serverwhat level?
>>3138104Trem
>>3138134vespyra is dead right now. using this time to camp my favorite named bat
>>3138069You one of those lvl 18 gnomes that was grinding sangrels?
got a level 24 archer, i was playing it wrong for a few levels. i main a wizzy so i'm pleasantly surprised at how much damage it can do its utility is actual dog shit. Yes, it gets a snare. Yes, it gets a root, no, they both suck. yes, I've seen mobs run around the fucking bear trap. lol wizard gets an on demand root, the ability to knock something back to max range and stun it,the ability to set their bind point to somewhere weird, teleport out, exodus, bank, vendor, warp backwhat does archer get? the ability to light the mob you're fighting up like a torch. Yes, it's awesome.
>>3137171Green drakes?
>>3138183no just green cons, drakes aren't bad but humanoids drop more moneymore archer ranting while I'm on topicArcher has less armor than rogue. Archer doesn't get to stealth like rogueRogue probably does more damage and has some random utility like sap and weapon poisonsRanger gets the ability to tank. They can tank. That's fucking insane. ranger gets run speed, i think they can stealth?they have tracking, reasonably good enough dps, crappy self heals, good enough solo ability. archer gets the same AC as a fucking wizard
>>3134508I like talking to people because it makes the grinding go by faster and that's how you make buddies, but I rarely experience any actual interesting conversation that's worth reading.Sometimes I suspect I'm playing with cool people who are worth talking to, but everyone has to be a little guarded because there's no way to know if that necromancer who hasn't said shit in three hours is going to turn out to be a redditor and wind up reporting you if you say anything too funny.
>>3138217he's going to yelp review you to the GM
>>3138222There's definitely some annoying people playing this game.Sometimes OOC can be kind of funny, but just as likely as fun jokes about in-character racism, it's just as likely some reddit Karen will be all irritable and cunty about it.
>>3138205Yeah, Archer is shit.It's dependent on fletching/tinkering, both of which are underbaked, shitty, and awaiting a full rework. If you're leveling one it's basically as an investment where you hope the inevitable buff will overcorrect you into the stratosphere.At least it does good damage.
>>3138205There's no reason for archer to take hits, it can solo reds unlike most other dps, it's cc is useful because it's instant cast and it shits out top tier dps.Ranger meanwhile can't solo for shit by comparison, has a miserable 2 button rotation and is kind of bad at everything in groups that don't have a hole for it to fill. I don't really get the obsession with comparing the two just because they both have bow abilities. They're completely different classes. Ranger is more of a melee fighter and it has a taunt and heals so why not compare it to paladin nonstop instead. Shit's stupid and most people crying about archer haven't even leveled enough to experience the full class.
My opinion on classes. Obviously the whole list shifts depending on group/solo, but this is just my impression of how much I respect what the class offers overall.>SWizardClericInquisitorElementalist>ARangerShadow KnightShaman>BNecromancerMonkFighter>CSpellbladeRogueDruidBeastmaster>DEnchanterArcherPaladin>FBard
>>3138274>F BardOh good, I thought you were being serious for a minute
>>3138257grouped with a ranger last night he had 350+ AC, he was our tank. He did just fine. idk if rangers tank at 50+, probably not
The secret to soloing on wizard is to just use whatever ice blast God gave you, a pair of brass huevos, telekinetic knock back, root, purge sometimes, and a whole lot of greasy gravy between those toes. Start out with a big old chunk of iceThen hit it with that rooty tooty point and rooty. Then you hit it again unless it's really close then you can either run back or telekinetic knock back it doesn't matter. Then you hit it again and again until dead or root wears off. Sometimes you run oom, that's when you use your wand. Not that wand, you whip out that giant two handed dick and get to swinging RIP my nigga peckerlicious
>>3138274Enchanter offers the entire toolkit.
so everquest WAS shit huhglad my first mmo was in fact daoc
so spider silk stuff is the best way to level tailoringis there an equally straightforward and non complicated way to level leatherworking?
>got up at 6am for some weird reason didn't feel tired>lucked into a group>still in the same group as we speed towards 2pmBest day ever ngl
>>3138860Nope. leatherworking and tanning feel pretty incomplete due to it. No hidden recipes at all for leatherworking which is a HUGE disappointment. Tailoring has like 6 hidden recipes not even counting the spider silk stuff.One of the hide styles should have been used for a separate style of armor just like silk. Wolf pelts should have made like furred armors instead of tanning, because all of the pelts lead to the same end resource in same quantity, so it just feels like a waste for them to be different items at all.
I picked stonecutting trait to make sharpening stones but thats not how it works
Any bard fags know where to solo at level 30?
anyone else staying up late to watch the sub count crash?
>>3139968only if you promise to kys if it isn't that bad.
>>3139764run around scarwood and kill green drakes and idk other shit im not your mother
>>3137679I’m the boomer sexpat. I post maybe 3 times a week, exclusively to remind you that you are brown. Not gonna renew my sub though - more time to bang your entire favela. Ciao.
>>3140820What does you being new to 4chan have to do with Monsters and Memories?
hahaha i was just playin, i ain't going anywhere. fuck you naysayers and shindiggits.
yo this nigga in my group keeps getting up to give candy to trick or treaters. just log off nigga
>>3141364we do that in eq
Kinda sad this game died and everyone moved onto adrullan. Oh well, at least it was good for a week or whatever I guess
>>3141488adrullan isn't going to be out until 2029 lol
>>3139968If I were they I would have never made these numbers public. Same with how many are in-game. What were they thinking, the hubris. All it does is demotivate people when they see the numbers first-hand dropping.
oh noanyway
>>3141548>non-quoting vaguepostLOL
>>3141488>everyone moved onto adrullan.I dunno, the Adrullan thread was dead, it was like me and two other people lol. Game seems great but not sure many people tried it, likely due to it looking like Minecraft. I will say first impressions are way better than M&M. I like how a shit ton of NPCs have stuff to say about the area and town, stories, and actual quests.
>>3141548who are you quoting?
>>3141541total online is fine, there's 5k on right now, still pretty good. but yeah showing the total active subs is a really dumb move
>>31418225k on saturday night primetime?
>>3138452I played UO in 1998 and EQ in 1999. I was there for every game.Everquest was fun and pretty good in some ways. Overall though? It was bottom barrel of all the MMORPG's. The moment DAoC came out, it blew EQ out of the fucking water. Every single thing DAoC did was superior to Everquest. Every. Single. Thing.
>>3138720sorry meant to reply here about DAoC.
>>3138217>but everyone has to be a little guarded because there's no way to know if that necromancer who hasn't said shit in three hours is going to turn out to be a redditor and wind up reporting you if you say anything too funnyI love how the internet has turned into a constant mexican standoff
>>3141577no adrullan is immensely popular, the problem is it's not coming out for 2-3 years so nobody really cares
>>3140820>I post maybe 3 times a weeklol why lie? we can follow comment chains you know>even the lazy eyed boomer sexpat who has been its most stringent defender can't bring himself to renew his subLMAO
>>3142252>adrullan is immensely popularThe community is insanely toxic and immature. Anytime I played Evercraft's beta or saw the devs talk or saw the discord chatter, it was like a bunch of 12 year old Minecraft zoomers on Adderall. Except their bodies are now 30 despite the mentality of a 13 year old bc Minecraft is an old game now.
>>3142271lol xd
>>3142271yeah and there are a lot of them
Have you tried...not being a chud?
>>3142008Dark Age of Memories when?
this game has the best dynamic weather of any game, period.
>>3142271this is 90% of reddit.
>>3141850This isn't a AAA game, this is a private server with a subscription tacked on, I'm just as surprised as you are.
Sunday, bloody sunday
>>3142271Seems fine to me. No worse than M&M. In game when I played during the flash test everyone seemed chill and friendly. In fact, besides that cunt Trent, there's a lot of assholes in the discord for this game. There's one guy named Phlyn who has a purple name (whatever that means) who's a fucking rude cunt and no one bats an eye. Probably a mega doner or something
>>3142008You can keep saying this but you're hilariously wrong. DAoC was great and did a lot of things right but, and I'm just talking about vanilla and maybe SI, the dungeons were all fucking horrible corridor simulators, the loot and itemization was absolute milquetoast shit, and the enemy variety was absolutely pathetic, EVEN compared to EQ.Enjoy killing fucking only spriggans and the same rock golem in all three realms from level 1-50. Maybe you'll get lucky and do a level of slightly transparent humanoid "" "ghosts" ""!
>>3142479Yeah but those skeleton noises... ERRUEP! ... Auwwohhhh....Anyway, both had their strength and weaknesses, DAoC PvE was definitely rushed, ESPECIALLY Hibernia, but it was chill and the combat system and advancement were fun enough. I preferred the softcap itemization system amongst other things... I will say classes were more unique (read also: jank) in EQ, but there were about 3 times as many classes in DAoC so that makes sense. I did love the grave system. Dying felt punishing but not fucking god fucking awful. I'm NTA btw, just my thoughts.
>>3142492Oh for sure I loved DAoC too, especially how they leaned hard into more support classes (Warden was peak kino) I'm just saying it was absolutely inferior to EQ in a few areas
this is inq actual, come in anon i need a sub status report ASAP
Doom sissies btfo
